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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: MuggsyB on March 30, 2024, 10:13:12 AM
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Where do we start? PG because of JTY'?s recovery. I definitely think we need a power big.
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See who stays and goes. The fewer that leave, the fewer can be brought in.
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Aircraft carrier like Edey
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Aircraft carrier like Edey
I know you're being sarcastic (stepped up your game there big tune in the last 24 hours), but you're also not wrong.
Anyone completely comfortable with the thought of Ben Gold as this team's only known quantity big is lying to themselves.
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I know you're being sarcastic (stepped up your game there big tune in the last 24 hours), but you're also not wrong.
Anyone completely comfortable with the thought of Ben Gold as this team's only known quantity big is lying to themselves.
They don’t grow on trees.
My hunch is the staff has a REAL good idea about what next year’s roster will look like and what possible transfers await. I know we can conjecture here about needs and particular players we want.
Let’s put it this way, barring a surprise transfer, Marquette is in much better position than a lot of teams at the moment.
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Partly a joke, but partly not:
Brett Nelson to coach shooting form. The offense gets us shots. I think a few tweaks to Ben and Jop (and even Kam) changes a lot for us.
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1. A 7 footer who can win every rebounding battle, great pick n roll instincts and 35%+ 3 point shooter
2. A point guard with great court vision, great pick n roll instincts and a 40% 3 point shooter
3. Multiple 6'5" to 6'9" guys who jump out of the gym, shoot high percent from 3, live for defense, and are great team players
or
everyone just gets better, like they did this year vs. last year.
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Shaka cannot sit on his hands again like last spring. If Kam goes to the draft that’s without question our three best players gone with nothing but unknowns and inconsistency left from the returning guys. We need Owens and Parham ready to contribute from the jump next year too. Can’t have almost total non factors from the freshmen class again.
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Man, da elephant in da room is ya need shootas. In spite of poor reboundin', multiple playas are desperately needed who can be counted on to score the ball. BTW, Gold ain't 'nough. I realize not every homegrown talent lives and dies wantin' ta hoop for good old MU. But, Kon who's signed with Dook woulda bin a purfect addition, hey?
#ballknower
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I know you're being sarcastic (stepped up your game there big tune in the last 24 hours), but you're also not wrong.
Anyone completely comfortable with the thought of Ben Gold as this team's only known quantity big is lying to themselves.
I think if you’re going to have a 5 who isn’t comfortable with his back to the basket in the deep post - Oso and Gold - then your 1-4 have to be legit 3 pt threats. IMO the offense felt slightly square peg, diamond hole a lot of the year because the action was further away from the hoop, but Stevie and Sean Jones threes weren’t desirable outcomes.
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Even if everyone (except Oso and Kolek) comes back, MU will need a power forward and a point guard because you can’t count on Sean Jones contributing next season. A sharpshooting guard would help too.
I have no inside information and won’t name names or speculate but I would bet that at least one of the scholarship players on the current roster (not including Kam Jones) will not be back.
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Man, da elephant in da room is ya need shootas. In spite of poor reboundin', multiple playas are desperately needed who can be counted on to score the ball. BTW, Gold ain't 'nough. I realize not every homegrown talent lives and dies wantin' ta hoop for good old MU. But, Kon who's signed with Dook woulda bin a purfect addition, hey?
#ballknower
Should have opened the wallet to keep Kon, hey?
#ballknower
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The obvious is that they need a point guard to run the offense and bigs capable of getting rebounds. Maybe the latter is on the roster, but we haven't seen it.
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The obvious is that they need a point guard to run the offense and bigs capable of getting rebounds. Maybe the latter is on the roster, but we haven't seen it.
Hopefully, Parham, Hamilton and Amadou can help with the rebounding.
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Upgrade the guard position in portal and add an experienced wing player. There is a need to upgrade talent across the board and lets see who is coming back or not.
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Man, da elephant in da room is ya need shootas. In spite of poor reboundin', multiple playas are desperately needed who can be counted on to score the ball. BTW, Gold ain't 'nough. I realize not every homegrown talent lives and dies wantin' ta hoop for good old MU. But, Kon who's signed with Dook woulda bin a purfect addition, hey?
#ballknower
I think Lowery will be a good shooter. Miletic would be a nice addition. There is a player from Mercer in the portal who can shoot it.
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Should have opened the wallet to keep Kon, hey?
#ballknower
Damn right, kin, hey?
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Should have opened the wallet to keep Kon, hey?
#ballknower
They opened there wallet for Kon, but Wisky and Duke were much stronger, but he wanted to go to Duke happens
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I know you're being sarcastic (stepped up your game there big tune in the last 24 hours), but you're also not wrong.
Anyone completely comfortable with the thought of Ben Gold as this team's only known quantity big is lying to themselves.
Ben is a stretch 4. I don't think I have seen any post up moves from him, ever.
Without knowing what Hamilton and the newcomers are bringing in, we definitely could use an experienced post up big.
Problem is, we potentially need 2-3 more experienced players next year if we want to have a successful season.
I am assuming Oso, Kolek and Kam are gone next year. We need a replacement for each one.
1. An experience point guard. Relying on Sean Jone from injury and Tre heading into next year is a big mistake.
2. A 3 level wing scorer. If Kam is gone, need a like replacement for him. A Bj Freeman type of portal transfer.
3. An experienced low post scorer. Relying on Hamilton or Al is a giant mistake. Heck we needed one this year. Biggest mistake Shaka made all year.
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Aircraft carrier please
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They opened there wallet for Kon, but Wisky and Duke were much stronger, but he wanted to go to Duke happens
Only Duke was stronger from what I've been told.
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Only Duke was stronger from what I've been told.
I heard Wisky was the strongest, but only rumors
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BC
I heard UW offered the most as well. I heard Duke was $850k ($425k a year)for two years and UW was over a $1m. I heard UW was third on list when all was said and done.
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BC
I heard UW offered the most as well. I heard Duke was $850k ($425k a year)for two years and UW was over a $1m. I heard UW was third on list when all was said and done.
Gard knows basketball!
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It'll be interesting to see what comes of it for him at Duke. They keep recruiting forwards over him. Lotta competition for minutes.
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Ben is a stretch 4. I don't think I have seen any post up moves from him, ever.
Without knowing what Hamilton and the newcomers are bringing in, we definitely could use an experienced post up big.
Problem is, we potentially need 2-3 more experienced players next year if we want to have a successful season.
I am assuming Oso, Kolek and Kam are gone next year. We need a replacement for each one.
1. An experience point guard. Relying on Sean Jone from injury and Tre heading into next year is a big mistake.
2. A 3 level wing scorer. If Kam is gone, need a like replacement for him. A Bj Freeman type of portal transfer.
3. An experienced low post scorer. Relying on Hamilton or Al is a giant mistake. Heck we needed one this year. Biggest mistake Shaka made all year.
Ben has star potential but yes, more of a stretch 4.
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It'll be interesting to see what comes of it for him at Duke. They keep recruiting forwards over him. Lotta competition for minutes.
Dude can hoop, aina?
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Doc,
Kon will be just fine at Duke. I wish that wasn’t the case, but the kid can play ball.
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Goose,
Do I need to unload some stock so we can get some impact ballers? Is there an NIL cap?
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Muggsy
Unlike many on here, I have zero concern about MU having the money. I possibly would spend it differently, but it appears they have a well thought plan a using discipline. Again, I do not think we need to worry about them having the cash needed.
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Marquette played an entire year with 6-6 Lazar Hayward at the 5. Ben Gold is 6-11.
Some people worry too much about traditional positions.
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Man, da elephant in da room is ya need shootas. In spite of poor reboundin', multiple playas are desperately needed who can be counted on to score the ball. BTW, Gold ain't 'nough. I realize not every homegrown talent lives and dies wantin' ta hoop for good old MU. But, Kon who's signed with Dook woulda bin a purfect addition, hey?
#ballknower
I agree with this analysis
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Muggsy
Unlike many on here, I have zero concern about MU having the money. I possibly would spend it differently, but it appears they have a well thought plan a using discipline. Again, I do not think we need to worry about them having the cash needed.
Goose,
In a perfect world what would you add if we have two spots open?
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I agree with this analysis
Sure sign it’s wrong
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Muggsy
I am the wrong guy to answer that. I would pay a PG that can score and a wing that. A score and rebound. I am wrong guy because I would spend a lot of money and that is not the current philosophy of the program.
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Right now, one scholarship open unless there are additional departures.
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Muggsy
I am the wrong guy to answer that. I would pay a PG that can score and a wing that. A score and rebound. I am wrong guy because I would spend a lot of money and that is not the current philosophy of the program.
Not a portal guy, a decommit from Michigan that might be a fit for your first guy.
https://sports.yahoo.com/longtime-michigan-basketball-commit-signee-191356926.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall (https://sports.yahoo.com/longtime-michigan-basketball-commit-signee-191356926.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall)
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If Kam stays, I don't really see the need for another PG. He can hold it down until Sean is back (which according to him will be late November or December).
We need some size.
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You want experienced size.
Gold, Joplin, Hamilton, Amadou, Parham, Owens is plenty of size.
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You want experienced size.
Gold, Joplin, Hamilton, Amadou, Parham, Owens is plenty of size.
Gold and Joplin are both basically perimeter players.
We have no idea what to expect from the other four, other than Owens is a wing.
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Ergo, you want experienced size. Since you are discounting the unproven size.
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Anybody who can shoot the ball, like Spencer for UConn, or Karaban is good for me!
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Shooters in the portal. Especially if Kam is gone. Joplin way too inconsistent to be out main outside shooter. Give me someone like Ben Humrichous, Andrej Stojakovic, Tyler Nickel, or someone else in the portal for depth.
Also absolutely need a portal PG if Kolek is indeed gone which I’m almost sure he is, and Sean Jones probably not being ready by season opener.
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Anybody who can shoot the ball, like Spencer for UConn, or Karaban is good for me!
UCONN pulling an MU at the moment...but Clinghan is just a game changer.
I think Shaka's belief is that they play small but quick and athletic...create turnovers and that is more valuable than what they give up on the glass.
I'm afraid of was Sean Jones and Ben Gold will be next year...given what we need...hope like hell I'm wrong.
So appreciative of this team and Shaka. We'll be back soon enough.
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Marquette played an entire year with 6-6 Lazar Hayward at the 5. Ben Gold is 6-11.
Some people worry too much about traditional positions.
And how far did that get us? I don't recall making the final four with Lazar at the 5.
We need a player, preferably 2 that can score in the post when needed. Ben hasn't shown a post move in 2 years he has been here.
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Neither did Oso his first two years. 5 out, Ben as a stretch 5. Learn it, embrace it.
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I’m pretty excited about what Ben can become. I’m surprised that’s not a more common view.
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And how far did that get us? I don't recall making the final four with Lazar at the 5.
We need a player, preferably 2 that can score in the post when needed. Ben hasn't shown a post move in 2 years he has been here.
I wouldn't discount Ben. The young man has a myriad of skills Papi. And I believe he can put on some weight and be an extremely effective two way player in the next two years.
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UCONN strategy
Win a natty - go to the portal
If we want to compete we must as well
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I’m pretty excited about what Ben can become. I’m surprised that’s not a more common view.
Sure, but
A) He isn't playing 40 minutes a night
B) I don't want to put all my eggs in the "Ben makes a huge leap" basket
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I’m pretty excited about what Ben can become. I’m surprised that’s not a more common view.
My main concern about Ben is his defense, not offense. I think he has the offensive skills if he has opportunities. But defensive, that is my question mark.
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1. A 7 footer who can win every rebounding battle, great pick n roll instincts and 35%+ 3 point shooter
2. A point guard with great court vision, great pick n roll instincts and a 40% 3 point shooter
3. Multiple 6'5" to 6'9" guys who jump out of the gym, shoot high percent from 3, live for defense, and are great team players
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everyone just gets better, like they did this year vs. last year.
Did they get better, or are you referring to UConn? AND THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON THAT MU CANNOT IMPROVE LIKE UCONN.
I for one am tired of excuses offered up for this team. What they need:
~~A bruising big to bash under the boards
~~At least 2 wings that consistently shoot the 3. We have none coming back, except
Kam
~~Everybody here assumes that Oso and Tyler are gone. I have not seen that confirmed yet. Oso would be making a mistake. Tyler possibly. If Tyler does not come back MU needs two PGs that can dribble drive and shoot the 3. They will have none next year if Tyler does not come back.
The obsession some on this board have with Shakas strategy of not utilizing the transfer portal is lame. He needs to get off his ass and actively pursue that, because right now that is what as happening in college BB. Dont like it but you have to adapt.
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Did they get better, or are you referring to UConn? AND THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON THAT MU CANNOT IMPROVE LIKE UCONN.
I for one am tired of excuses offered up for this team. What they need:
~~A bruising big to bash under the boards
~~At least 2 wings that consistently shoot the 3. We have none coming back, except
Kam
~~Everybody here assumes that Oso and Tyler are gone. I have not seen that confirmed yet. Oso would be making a mistake. Tyler possibly. If Tyler does not come back MU needs two PGs that can dribble drive and shoot the 3. They will have none next year if Tyler does not come back.
The obsession some on this board have with Shakas strategy of not utilizing the transfer portal is lame. He needs to get off his ass and actively pursue that, because right now that is what as happening in college BB. Dont like it but you have to adapt.
Who are you taking scholarships from
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We need some bad ass mf'ers, aina?
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We need some bad ass mf'ers, aina?
I can't argue with that.
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Assuming TKo and Oso leave and everyone else stays, 12 scholarships accounted for.
I applaud your message board math.
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Gold will have 3 fouls in the first 12 minutes if he starts next year. Don't think Sean will be a good starter. Believe he could be a change of pace for minutes at a time.
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I wouldn't discount Ben. The young man has a myriad of skills Papi. And I believe he can put on some weight and be an extremely effective two way player in the next two years.
Ben occasionally hits an outside shot. Otherwise…?
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Ben occasionally hits an outside shot. Otherwise…?
Hope Hamilton can play so they 2 bigs,
As Ben will have trouble staying on the court, as he is not quick enough and his foot speed is average at best
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Ben occasionally hits an outside shot. Otherwise…?
He's hit a number of timely shots. He also has shown the ability to put the ball on the floor. I wouldn't give up on the kid being an excellent player.
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Sure, but
A) He isn't playing 40 minutes a night
B) I don't want to put all my eggs in the "Ben makes a huge leap" basket
I'm more concerned about what Dan Hurley said about him.
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How exactly did Alabama lose Quinerly in July and find a better PG?
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If Amadou and Hamilton have eyes they can see that Oso's role is open however that role works far better if the guy can shoot 3's. Both of them need to be in the gym all summer bulking up and working on shooting. They should also see Jop's slot as open because he's hit his ceiling and possibly their ceilings are higher. This team could have 3 guys 6'9 and bigger who rotate effectively to get 15-20 points, 10-15 boards and 2-3 blocks per game.
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The talk that Shaka avoids the portal is amusing.
He hit the portal hard his first year and that led to the past two seasons. He poked around the portal last year, knowing that he had very specific needs and couldn't fill it.
I have no doubt that he will be active this year looking for a PG. Kam is best suited to be off the ball and a secondary ball handler. Make him your PG, now you need a wing who can shoot.
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If Kam stays, I don't really see the need for another PG. He can hold it down until Sean is back (which according to him will be late November or December).
We need some size.
Wrong. Kam will wear down too much playing point. He is better off the ball.
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You want experienced size.
Gold, Joplin, Hamilton, Amadou, Parham, Owens is plenty of size.
4 of the guys you just mentioned have little or no experience playing at the level MU is competing against.
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Wrong. Kam will wear down too much playing point. He is better off the ball.
Kam didn’t wear down at all playing point in Tyler’s absence. The ball movement wasn’t as good however.
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Kam didn’t wear down at all playing point in Tyler’s absence. The ball movement wasn’t as good however.
The hell he didn't. He was gassed in some of those games. And playing point for 6 games is a whole Lotta difference than for say 20 games.
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The hell he didn't. He was gassed in some of those games. And playing point for 6 games is a whole Lotta difference than for say 20 games.
He was gassed because the back up was a freshman who struggled at times. He will have more reliable back ups next year.
If they choose to put him at point. They may not.
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Kam didn’t wear down at all playing point in Tyler’s absence. The ball movement wasn’t as good however.
Wrong. Kam will wear down too much playing point. He is better off the ball.
Kam did fine filling in as pg because he’s just that talented. But it isn’t his natural or best position. I agree with both of your points. He’s better off the ball and the ball didn’t move as well with him running point.
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He was gassed because the back up was a freshman who struggled at times. He will have more reliable back ups next year.
If they choose to put him at point. They may not.
who are the more reliable backups?
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4 of the guys you just mentioned have little or no experience playing at the level MU is competing against.
Hence me saying Pakuni wants experienced size.
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Hence me saying Pakuni wants experienced size.
Does not compute Mr. Spock.
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Kam did fine filling in as pg because he’s just that talented. But it isn’t his natural or best position. I agree with both of your points. He’s better off the ball and the ball didn’t move as well with him running point.
Right. And no one is suggesting Kam as the full-time, season-long PG.
But if there's only one scholie to give, I'd
rather see him fill that role for the first month of the season and bring in some reliable size than add another point who may or may not have a significant role by the time conference play arrives.
Obviously this all depends on Sean's health and whether Shaka believes Gold can grow and Amadou is ready.
But given what I see from the outside, a guy who can play in (and more importantly, defend) the post is a bigger need than another ballhandler.
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Does not compute Mr. Spock.
Computes completely. Even the part about you not understanding it.
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who are the more reliable backups?
A more experienced Tre and Sean when he comes back.
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Computes completely. Even the part about you not understanding it.
Well, Dung is a moron
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We need some bad ass mf'ers, aina?
Yep.
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And how far did that get us? I don't recall making the final four with Lazar at the 5.
We need a player, preferably 2 that can score in the post when needed. Ben hasn't shown a post move in 2 years he has been here.
I think Caedin will be a contributor. I think play style could be similar to Eric Dixon on Villanova. Watching his AAU highlights, albeit low level of competition, he has really good feel for the game. Comfortable in the post, soft touch around the hoop, good passing instincts, and maybe even some range.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lOYArJ_HV4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lOYArJ_HV4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfdCK-Zs5DM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfdCK-Zs5DM)
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Kam, on his podcast, 'Caedin is gonna be a problem.'
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Kam did fine filling in as pg because he’s just that talented. But it isn’t his natural or best position. I agree with both of your points. He’s better off the ball and the ball didn’t move as well with him running point.
I agree. IMO an experienced PG is critical…allowing Kam to do his thing at the 2, allowing Stevie the energy to be a beast on D, and Tre can give some solid back-up minutes. We’d then have Ross and Lowrey as slashing wings. Still nervous about the front line. Will Hamilton be solid?…allowing Gold to play the 4, Jop at the 3…are the two incoming freshmen able to contribute from day 1? Is Al a contributor, or a RS, or a transfer candidate? He got walk-on minutes so just not sure. There were a lot of Q’s going into last season and we won season and conf tourney titles. Going into 24/25 feels similar to me.
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Computes completely. Even the part about you not understanding it.
Undetstanding is not something you do well.
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Kam, on his podcast, 'Caedin is gonna be a problem.'
What does Hurley say though?
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Hamilton is going to be player. I have heard very good things and excited to see him to get his career started. Now that the season is over, I like talking about the new guys. I think he is going to be a contributor from day one.
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Hamilton is going to be player. I have heard very good things and excited to see him to get his career started. Now that the season is over, I like talking about the new guys. I think he is going to be a contributor from day one.
I'm sure in time he will be a big contributor but I'll believe it when i see it that it will be next year.
We have gone through this hype song and dance routine before about players looking great and then when the season starts, not so much. It was Chase this year. The last time the hype was real or better was DWade.
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I'm sure in time he will be a big contributor but I'll believe it when i see it that it will be next year.
We have gone through this hype song and dance routine before about players looking great and then when the season starts, not so much. It was Chase this year. The last time the hype was real or better was DWade.
The amigos the hype was real. Maybe not for all of them right away. But Dom and Jerel were solid or better at times from day 1.
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The amigos the hype was real. Maybe not for all of them right away. But Dom and Jerel were solid or better at times from day 1.
Good point. Dom lived up to the hype and more his frosh year.
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Hamilton is going to be player. I have heard very good things and excited to see him to get his career started. Now that the season is over, I like talking about the new guys. I think he is going to be a contributor from day one.
With you on this Goose. I recall thinking he was a nice passer too in some highlights I watched when he committed. Also can take a set shot from 3occasionally (at least in hs and in warmups). Already has the size (and neck) for the big east.
On the other side, with Owens and Parham it's gonna be fun to see the offense that they bring. I hope they can get their defense up to Shaka's desired level. Lots of length on this team next year!
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If Kam stays, I don't really see the need for another PG. He can hold it down until Sean is back (which according to him will be late November or December).
We need some size.
I’m not convinced that a) Kam can effectively play PG or b) that Sean Jones is legit as a starting PG.
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I’m not convinced that a) Kam can effectively play PG or b) that Sean Jones is legit as a starting PG.
I'm pretty convinced that Tre Norman is really good and the best PG we have on our roster. Would love for him to get the starting spot, but they will almost certainly go with Ross as the last starter and Kam at PG.
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I'm pretty convinced that Tre Norman is really good and the best PG we have on our roster.
I'd love to be that convinced. Rooting for him, but I didn't see a ton that assured me he could step in.
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I’m not convinced that a) Kam can effectively play PG or b) that Sean Jones is legit as a starting PG.
Are you more convinced that Ben Gold, Al Amadou and Caeden Hamilton can defend the paint and offer some kind of interior presence on offense?
Because at least we've seen Kam and Sean effectively play PG, if only for short stretches. We've seen Ben serve as an occasionally effective spot-up shooter and nothing from the other two.
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I'm pretty convinced that Tre Norman is really good and the best PG we have on our roster. Would love for him to get the starting spot, but they will almost certainly go with Ross as the last starter and Kam at PG.
Then why didn't he play one minute in the last two NCAAT games, with MU having a short bench? Apparent Shaka had some sort of no faith in him, even after an entire season. Does that carry over or is there 100% improvement over summer. Unless Norman develops a three point shot, especially in Shaka' system, he is not the PG next year.
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Then why didn't he play one minute in the last two NCAAT games, with MU having a short bench? Apparent Shaka had some sort of no faith in him, even after an entire season. Does that carry over or is there 100% improvement over summer. Unless Norman develops a three point shot, especially in Shaka' system, he is not the PG next year.
Because he is a Freshman and blocked by Kolek who plays 35-40 minutes.
Shaka basically guaranteed to us that Tre will be an All Big East Player at one of his Shaka Smart shows.
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To me, assuming Kam returns I think we have to fill in the holes to make us as good as possible next year.
I know TK and Oso are gone. But the initial Shaka era still has one more year. We owe it to Stevie and Kam(and I guess Jop when I stop being annoyed with him) to swing big.
Imo with a guard like Kam coming back and everything him, Stevie and Jop have given you don’t just hope to be fringe top 25.
I’d love for underclassmen like Tre to stay. But if we can get a great PG in the portal and he wants to look elsewhere, I’m content. Next year should be prioritized.
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Because he is a Freshman and blocked by Kolek who plays 35-40 minutes.
Shaka basically guaranteed to us that Tre will be an All Big East Player at one of his Shaka Smart shows.
Great, wake me up when that happens. I guess Owens and Parham not going to play either, since they are freshman.
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Tre may be great down the line, but he's not the best PG on the roster. Kam would be the best option if the season started tomorrow.
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Great, wake me up when that happens. I guess Owens and Parham not going to play either, since they are freshman.
Are they blocked by an All American playing 35-40 minutes?
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The staff would be doing the program a disservice by not taking a look at portal options, which at this point, we will know more as players continue to enter the portal this week. Sign me up for a transfer if that's what the coaching staff is looking to do. I wouldn't take a soundbite from Shaka during an interview as gospel.
Also, who is to say other programs haven't tried tampering with our roster? We can talk about relationships until we're blue in the face, but always be recruiting and looking at options.
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Tre may be great down the line, but he's not the best PG on the roster. Kam would be the best option if the season started tomorrow.
Good thing the season does not start tomorrow
My starting 5 as of today:
Norman
Killer Kam
Mitchell
Joplin
Hamilton
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Pretty sure Chase would start.
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Good thing the season does not start tomorrow
My starting 5 as of today:
Norman
Killer Kam
Mitchell
Joplin
Hamilton
There is zero chance chase doesn’t start if the current roster holds
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Are they blocked by an All American playing 35-40 minutes?
If Shaka wants to play his All American 40 minutes a game, so be it. Then he can't complain players are beat up, tired, and can't shoot threes and slow on defense, because they are beat up, tired, etc....
Owens and Parham are not replacing or are blocked by the All American at his position anyway, so has no argument to that as to their playing time. Norman did not play one minute in two NCAAT games and it is my thought that something is up with that.
I refuse to speculate and we will see what happens over next month.
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Good thing the season does not start tomorrow
My starting 5 as of today:
Norman
Killer Kam
Mitchell
Joplin
Hamilton
On top of swapping Tre for Chase, I have to believe Gold is starting 5 as of now also.
Kam
Stevie
Chase
Jolp
Gold
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I don't think anything has to be "up" for a rotation to get shortened in March. I expect both Tre and Zaide will be key pieces off the bench next year. I expect Owens and Parham to see more minutes than this years Freshman did, mostly because we are losing more this offseason than we did last offseason.
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On top of swapping Tre for Chase, I have to believe Gold is starting 5 as of now also.
Kam
Stevie
Chase
Jolp
Gold
Need a point guard. I have also been hearing that Hamilton has been killing it in practice the past 2 months.
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Need a point guard. I have also been hearing that Hamilton has been killing it in practice the past 2 months.
Have you ever heard of anyone not killing it in practice?
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On top of swapping Tre for Chase, I have to believe Gold is starting 5 as of now also.
Kam
Stevie
Chase
Jolp
Gold
I'll be shocked if Gold does not start. His stats this year a very similar to Oso's first year under Shaka. Gold moves a lot better than some are saying. Gold will not pass as well as Oso and may not defend quite as well. He will rebound at least as well and will give MU the option to play five-out. Like Oso, he has to learn to defend without fouling.
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Have you ever heard of anyone not killing it in practice?
Yes. Jolp
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I'll be shocked if Gold does not start. His stats this year a very similar to Oso's first year under Shaka. Gold moves a lot better than some are saying. Gold will not pass as well as Oso and may not defend quite as well. He will rebound at least as well and will give MU the option to play five-out. Like Oso, he has to learn to defend without fouling.
Gold came in for Oso at the usual before 12 minute TV timeout against NCST and played in the paint. He got two fouls in one minute, I believe against Middlebrooks, not Burns. He missed a three, of course outside the paint and then missed one of two free throws. Oso came in three minutes later. That being said, Gold will not last long in the paint on defense, he fouls way too often. Let's see how Shaka figures it all out after potential roster reconstruction.
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Gold came in for Oso at the usual before 12 minute TV timeout against NCST and played in the paint. He got two fouls in one minute, I believe against Middlebrooks, not Burns. He missed a three, of course outside the paint and then missed one of two free throws. Oso came in three minutes later. That being said, Gold will not last long in the paint on defense, he fouls way too often. Let's see how Shaka figures it all out after potential roster reconstruction.
Ben fouls per 40 as a Sophomore, 4.5. Oso fouls per 40 as a Sophomore, 4.4. I think our defensive game plan will have to adjust with Ben as the primary big as he doesn't have the footspeed of Oso (less switching), but I see no reason Ben can't make the same leaps that Oso did on the defensive end.
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Gold came in for Oso at the usual before 12 minute TV timeout against NCST and played in the paint. He got two fouls in one minute, I believe against Middlebrooks, not Burns. He missed a three, of course outside the paint and then missed one of two free throws. Oso came in three minutes later. That being said, Gold will not last long in the paint on defense, he fouls way too often. Let's see how Shaka figures it all out after potential roster reconstruction.
Heaven help us in the middle if Gold is our starting 5 man .He's a 4 (or a 3), IMO. If one thinks our rebounding is bad now.
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Gold might be a 20 minute player, since he is not quick enough, slow afoot which causes lots of fouls. Hope Hamilton is good enough to play the other 20.
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Heaven help us in the middle if Gold is our starting 5 man .He's a 4 (or a 3), IMO. If one thinks our rebounding is bad now.
Ben Gold total rebounding % as a Sophomore, 10.4. Oso total rebounding % as a Sophomore, 9.9.
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Gold with a healthy offseason will look different. I choose to think about the 37 minutes he played against Creighton. Shot poorly from 3. Competed well against Kalkbrenner. I am more confident in him as the starting center than I was two years ago with Oso.
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Gold might be a 20 minute player, since he is not quick enough, slow afoot which causes lots of fouls. Hope Hamilton is good enough to play the other 20.
Ben fouls per 40 as a Sophomore, 4.5. Oso fouls per 40 as a Sophomore, 4.4. I think our defensive game plan will have to adjust with Ben as the primary big as he doesn't have the footspeed of Oso (less switching), but I see no reason Ben can't make the same leaps that Oso did on the defensive end.
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Ben Gold total rebounding % as a Sophomore, 10.4. Oso total rebounding % as a Sophomore, 9.9.
That still doesn't give me the warm fuzzies, we are not a good rebounding team. Those numbers don't change that
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Gold with a healthy offseason will look different. I choose to think about the 37 minutes he played against Creighton. Shot poorly from 3. Competed well against Kalkbrenner. I am more confident in him as the starting center than I was two years ago with Oso.
I am usually a glass half full guy, but IMO, Gold is not a Center. He's a 4, he'll be a 4 at the next level.
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That still doesn't give me the warm fuzzies, we are not a good rebounding team. Those numbers don't change that
Less to do with personnel and more to do with scheme. It appears to be the way Shaka wants to play.
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Gold might be a 20 minute player, since he is not quick enough, slow afoot which causes lots of fouls. Hope Hamilton is good enough to play the other 20.
Ben Gold has a high fouls per game fine...
Now lets think through why and look at the games where he has fouls let's use some common sense here.
1. He also didn't foul out once this year.
2. 2 of his 3 4 foul games came againist Edey and Clingnan. (I'm sorry a big had 14 fouls in four games againist the two best bigs in college basketball in a long time).
3. In his one game without Oso, he had 3 fouls in 37 minutes matchup with Kalkbrenner.
All that matters with fouls is how wisely you use them.
Do you put 7 footers on the line who can't make Ft's to prevent a layup. Are you commiting fouls to generate turnovers.
Otherwise, looking at fouls is kinda pointless.
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Ben showed phenomenal help and trapping skills on defense this year. Got better at staying with driving guards. Most of the centers in the Big East bigger than he is are leaving.
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Ben Gold has a high fouls per game fine...
Now lets think through why and look at the games where he has fouls let's use some common sense here.
1. He also didn't foul out once this year.
2. 2 of his 3 4 foul games came againist Edey and Clingnan. (I'm sorry a big had 14 fouls in four games againist the two best bigs in college basketball in a long time).
3. In his one game without Oso, he had 3 fouls in 37 minutes matchup with Kalkbrenner.
All that matters with fouls is how wisely you use them.
Do you put 7 footers on the line who can't make Ft's to prevent a layup. Are you commiting fouls to generate turnovers.
Otherwise, looking at fouls is kinda pointless.
Further, if Ben knew that as long as Oso was healthy he was maxing out at around 25 mpg, so he could be more aggressive with his fouls. If Shaka tells him that he has to be out there 30 mpg, I would be he could manage the appropriate aggressiveness levels. It might mean giving up a basket or two rather than making someone earn the points at the line, but I think Shaka/Ben would take that trade-off.
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Ben showed phenomenal help and trapping skills on defense this year. Got better at staying with driving guards. Most of the centers in the Big East bigger than he is are leaving.
Ben at center would be fine if MU had 2 better forwards, Mitchell is totally undersized, yes plays strong, and Jop is Jop, not great at anything and sometimes is totally poor in all facets of the game
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Then, it is a good thing that Ross is likely to play 'forward' next season.
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I am usually a glass half full guy, but IMO, Gold is not a Center. He's a 4, he'll be a 4 at the next level.
…next level? Please enlighten.
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…next level? Please enlighten.
Professional (no idea where)
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…next level? Please enlighten.
New Zealand pros
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Gold is starting at center next year, unless Hamilton is much better than anyone anticipates, and will be more than sufficient. He showed noticeable improvement defensively as the conference season went on and I don't think enough people realize how much the shin splints impacted his offseason development.
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Gold is starting at center next year, unless Hamilton is much better than anyone anticipates, and will be more than sufficient. He showed noticeable improvement defensively as the conference season went on and I don't think enough people realize how much the shin splints impacted his offseason development.
I anticipate Gold will improve and be a starter. I also anticipate no interior post scoring if Gold and Jop are in the starting lineup.
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They opened there wallet for Kon, but Wisky and Duke were much stronger, but he wanted to go to Duke happens
Right on Duke, wrong on Bucky
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If Kam stays, I don't really see the need for another PG. He can hold it down until Sean is back (which according to him will be late November or December).
We need some size.
8 to 9 more months of rehab doesn't mean ready to play. I wouldn't expect sean to be available next season
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Hamilton is going to be player. I have heard very good things and excited to see him to get his career started. Now that the season is over, I like talking about the new guys. I think he is going to be a contributor from day one.
Caedin is big...i think he has a long way to go to be a basketball player
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TAMU
Thanks for the input on Caiden. Do you think he will get much PT next season?
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8 to 9 more months of rehab doesn't mean ready to play. I wouldn't expect sean to be available next season
He'll be done with rehab - and, according to him, back at full speed - but need another a year after that before he can play?
I guess we'll see.
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I anticipate Gold will improve and be a starter. I also anticipate no interior post scoring if Gold and Jop are in the starting lineup.
I actually think Gold is further along than Oso was after his sophomore year. Gold is also more physical.
I don't know that I have ever seen Gold post-up. MU seems to prefer him playing face-up. Jop was not a great post threat this season.
Assuming everyone returns, my gut, which is not insubstantial, tells me we are more likely to see Parham get a decent amount of minutes at the 4 than we are to see Hamilton get big minutes at the 5. Hamilton, however, does look like a player who can bring some power to the front line in time. I hope so because that is a need.
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Seems to me the big questions for next season are is Kam Jones coming back and will Joplin actually play up to his potential in every game. Joplin needs get his head right and be tough. Gold will be better by leaps and bounds and Hamilton will be at least as good as Theo was but more athletic. I'm not really worried about next year if Kam returns. Parham looks like a keeper and MU will have 6 guys 6'8" or better. Without Kolek MU still solid or better guards up the a...
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Seems to me the big questions for next season are is Kam Jones coming back and will Joplin actually play up to his potential in every game. Joplin needs get his head right and be tough. Gold will be better by leaps and bounds and Hamilton will be at least as good as Theo was but more athletic.
This is a wildly bold statement about a guy none of us has seen play anything resembling a college basketball game.
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This is a wildly bold statement about a guy none of us has seen play anything resembling a college basketball game.
Hamilton is a really good passer and more of a traditional big, but not sure on the athleticism piece. Probably has a lot of room to grow athletically.
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Hamilton is a really good passer and more of a traditional big, but not sure on the athleticism piece. Probably has a lot of room to grow athletically.
He also has a good mid range jumper, which hopefully he is working on to make it a serviceable 3 point shot
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Just a question, but how does everyone know so much about Hamilton? He's a good passer, He has a good mid range jumper, brings power to the front line, I heard good things about him and other comments.
Did anyone actually see him play or anything? Are posters talking to members of the staff? Only thing I know is that he is a big guy.
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Just a question, but how does everyone know so much about Hamilton? He's a good passer, He has a good mid range jumper, brings power to the front line, I heard good things about him and other comments.
Did anyone actually see him play or anything? Are posters talking to members of the staff? Only thing I know is that he is a big guy.
https://youtu.be/ZfdCK-Zs5DM?feature=shared
https://youtu.be/k8OyzRsmVy0?feature=shared
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https://youtu.be/ZfdCK-Zs5DM?feature=shared
https://youtu.be/k8OyzRsmVy0?feature=shared
I had an idea that's what some are talking about. High school highlights. OK, thanks for the partial answer.
We'll see how he is practicing and playing against MU players and BE players. Thought that is what some posters meant.
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I had an idea that's what some are talking about. High school highlights. OK, thanks for the partial answer.
We'll see how he is practicing and playing against MU players and BE players. Thought that is what some posters meant.
He has taken his lumps in practice going up against Oso, but he's the type of physical presence we've needed. I think he'll play similar minutes to what Ben did as a frosh.
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Kam……” Caeden is going to be a problem “
Ben Steele
The coaching staff is very excited about what 6-9 Caedin Hamilton showed in practice. But after redshirting his freshman season, it could take some time for him to find his footing. At 240 pounds, he also has a physical presence that MU has lacked in recent seasons.
This is all any of us have to go on……..unless you’ve watched practice or no someone personally who had
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https://youtu.be/ZfdCK-Zs5DM?feature=shared
https://youtu.be/k8OyzRsmVy0?feature=shared
No dunks?
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Kam……” Caeden is going to be a problem “
Ben Steele
The coaching staff is very excited about what 6-9 Caedin Hamilton showed in practice. But after redshirting his freshman season, it could take some time for him to find his footing. At 240 pounds, he also has a physical presence that MU has lacked in recent seasons.
This is all any of us have to go on……..unless you’ve watched practice or no someone personally who had
Thank you, I recall Kam saying that. That was the point of question. Sounds like some had seen him play, talked to someone on staff, etc. Have no clue and high school "highlights" have been shown on numerous MU players in the past who have not worked out at all.
Hope it works out, I know he was over 300 pounds and lost weight. Type of bruiser player MU needs really bad and presuming know one actually knows except the staff. Would be awesome to have some one like that at the center position, so Gold can continue in his #4 role. We'll know in six months.
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I realize that you have to be on these talented HS players before everybody else is, but does MU have any Shaka/Coaches connections to Trent Perry, (6'4" PG, ESPN #26) recently decommitted to USC after Coach Andy Enfield's exit to SMU? Elijah Duvall (Stuart, FL #78) is another uncommitted Top 100 PG that would be of interest at this late stage. We're gonna need a PG.
Liam McNeeley (SF,#11), Khani Rooths (PF,#33) and Vyctorius Miller (SG,#41) are the only others on the ESPN Top 100 who are still technically uncommitted at this late hour. Perhaps they were pipe dreams earlier in the process...but they are still there.
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TAMU
Thanks for the input on Caiden. Do you think he will get much PT next season?
Depends on how the offseason plays out. But unless he has a massive jump this summer i think the more he plays, the worse the forecast
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I had an idea that's what some are talking about. High school highlights. OK, thanks for the partial answer.
We'll see how he is practicing and playing against MU players and BE players. Thought that is what some posters meant.
If you can pass you can pass at any level.