LFG!!!!!
It's time for some revenge!!!
LFG!!!
I am coming to miss part of the second half tonight due to a family obligation and counting you guys to bring it home. I have see 95% of the baskets scored in the Shaka era and disappointed I am missing some of the game tonight. Will be
tracking online!
What's most important tonight is, both teams play for the name on the front of the jersey and not the one on the back. Being a part of a team is a greater thing than being by yourself. Valuable lessons can and should be learned tonight about teamwork and trust
Is this the official thread or the other one?
Quote from: Judge Smails on February 13, 2024, 05:24:38 PM
Is this the official thread or the other one?
Whatever your heart desires
Whatever you guys want. Real Chili posted first.
Which one will have the most scoopers losing their sh*t if we are down by 5 in the first half
Would be great for Kam to have a big game today, been a long time coming vs a team with a pulse
Quote from: Goose on February 13, 2024, 05:21:52 PM
LFG!!!
I am coming to miss part of the second half tonight due to a family obligation and counting you guys to bring it home. I have see 95% of the baskets scored in the Shaka era and disappointed I am missing some of the game tonight. Will be
tracking online!
Will cheer doubly on your behalf.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 13, 2024, 05:28:26 PM
Would be great for Kam to have a big game today, been a long time coming vs a team with a pulse
He erupted vs Gtown but you're correct. We need the young man. Let's go now!
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 13, 2024, 05:29:55 PM
He erupted vs Gtown but you're correct. We need the young man. Let's go now!
The keywords were team with a pulse.
Today is a day we could need every bit of 25+ from Kam
Matta owns Shaka
Cmon Kam
Commits too many weak dumb fouls. And a airball layup.
Need you man
Stevie got beat there. Focus!
Quote from: Judge Smails on February 13, 2024, 05:27:56 PM
Which one will have the most scoopers losing their sh*t if we are down by 5 in the first half
Getting close!
Jops paint moves have been looking better. Gotta finish the looks
Butler letting us get to the rim?!
So much for a 2-seed
Great D by Jop.
Settle down Tk.
Love the attacking so far though. If Butler is gonna give us paint. No need to settle. Keep going.
We have our good luck announcers tonite - Bennetti and Raftery.
Attacking the paint at will.
Tyko needs to reset there. Decent first 5 mins though.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 13, 2024, 05:23:23 PM
What's most important tonight is, both teams play for the name on the front of the jersey and not the one on the back. Being a part of a team is a greater thing than being by yourself. Valuable lessons can and should be learned tonight about teamwork and trust
I don't know who you are anymore
Kolek letting his BEPOY go to his head. Put in Tre
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 13, 2024, 05:40:25 PM
Kolek letting his BEPOY go to his head. Put in Tre
Maybe Sean's fully recovered from the surgery?
Let's Go Marquette! Keep moving the ball for best shot. Let's Go!
Rico going no longer mode so far
Kam not using his noggin, two poor fouls.
Jesus Kam
Weak ass call on Kam. Ughh.
Cam thinkin' bout that sweet NIL money and not hoops
The door is ajar on the Jop Wagon.
TK a bit sloppy to start this one.
Not a good shot there from Tyko. Attack!
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 13, 2024, 05:45:50 PM
TK a bit sloppy to start this one.
Forcing just a bit too much.
Sit Kolek on the pine. Kids head is too big
Benny!!
What a pass
Excellent ball movement.
Nice Butler starting to chuck up bombs
Just keep pounding the paint they cant stop it
Travel my asss. Gtfo
He was bumped
Get ready for a physical battle, will we rise up, I think yes
They can't miss
Refs took their We Suck pills tonight
Wasn't Ben fouled? Butler hitting some threes early. Both teams playing pretty well. I'd like to get the 3 ball going on our end.
Quote from: NickelDimer on February 13, 2024, 05:49:44 PM
Travel my asss. Gtfo
He literally got pushed into a travel.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on February 13, 2024, 05:49:47 PM
He was bumped
Yeah. He gets bumped hard so often and no calls. Don't know why the refs are bought into this. We will have to play better than the refs
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 13, 2024, 05:50:43 PM
Wasn't Ben fouled? Butler hitting some threes early. Both teams playing pretty well. I'd like to get the 3 ball going on our end.
Why? We are getting to the rim at will
Both 3s we took were unnecssary
Butler on a 6-2 run and we're playing Gold. Incredible gunk
Butler getting away with near everything.
They only called posh against Tyler cause it was the 3rd obvious foul in 5 seconds
Crazy line up
Did Ben fck the refs wife? Some ticky calls here
3 touch fouls for MU.
Butler with a lot of body contact.
This is ridiculous, Kam didn't just fall down
These refs are insane. Ross fouled and again it's a travel
This is fu cking nuts
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on February 13, 2024, 05:55:30 PM
This is ridiculous, Kam didn't just fall down
Neither did Chase. Good grief.
Wtf with these travel calls
I'm annoyed. Cmon boys, keep working!!
And it's tied. Matta owns Shaka
This is garbage officiating.
Butler should have 8 or 9 fouls. They have 1!
Butler with 1 foul is comical with how physical it has been.
WTF?? Moving screen on Butler.
It would appear the refs have butler ML. Brutal missed calls.
Quote from: NickelDimer on February 13, 2024, 05:55:49 PM
These refs are insane. Ross fouled and again it's a travel
That one was a slip.
Man we are not getting any foul calls .... Unreal. We are moving the ball and driving well but getting body slammed and no calls. Whew. Have to plan on this rest of game and play through it. Let's Goo Marquette!
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 13, 2024, 05:58:29 PM
That one was a slip.
No it wasn't. The defender stuck his knee out and clipped Ross on his thigh
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 13, 2024, 05:57:17 PM
And it's tied. Matta owns Shaka
And the refs....
And the floor. Jones, Ross and Kolek have all fallen down for three turnovers.
Wooohooo
All it takes is an attempt to behead stevie for us to get a call
Let's go now!
Make up call on the moving screen after Posh stiff-armed Stevie to prevent the steal
Jop with a great quick move but then the worst lay up attempt ive ever seen.
Oh look, another missed call to Butler's benefit.
Can you just shove a guy to prevent him from getting to a loose ball?
And we're losing. Swoon has started
Really nice hustle by Kam to go get that one.
Butler is tired!! They need to run the crap out of them!!
Quote from: nyg on February 13, 2024, 06:00:12 PM
And the refs....
And the floor. Jones, Ross and Kolek have all fallen down for three turnovers.
They'll wipe it up for second half lol
Seriously, Jop making moves to the middle of the paint with a purpose is so much better than slow Jop. Now hes just got to figure out wtf to do when he gets to the rim way quicker. Two brutal attempts at the rim after legitamately great moves.
Odd first half. We're getting anything we want it seems to me. Finish the final minutes strong.
Butler 5-11 from 3. Have outscored us by 12 from deep. Might need an adjustment there.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 13, 2024, 06:03:00 PM
Jop with a great quick move but then the worst lay up attempt ive ever seen.
Not a lot of lift there. :(
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 13, 2024, 06:06:32 PM
Seriously, Jop making moves to the middle of the paint with a purpose is so much better than slow Jop. Now hes just got to figure out wtf to do when he gets to the rim way quicker. Two brutal attempts at the rim after legitamately great moves.
Love the assertiveness. We aren't playing poorly, letting ourselves get bumped, keep working
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 13, 2024, 06:06:51 PM
Odd first half. We're getting anything we want it seems to me. Finish the final minutes strong.
Cant make layup bunnies. Missed at least five or six. Plus Butler made five threes
Difference so far. Butler tired.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 13, 2024, 06:06:51 PM
Odd first half. We're getting anything we want it seems to me. Finish the final minutes strong.
Odd indeed
Oso with one FGA.
Unneccessary drive by TK there. No one to help and refs aint calling fouls even if you do get hacked.
Cmon Kam. You've gotten finish that.
Almost through his junior year so I dont think its gonna happen
But Id love to not have anxiety with a shooter like Kam at the free throw line.
And that's a foul lol. Ok ref
They call that on Mitchell. Come on.
They called that one?
Stevie breath on the guy?
Man.... gotta finish.
Oso come on man
Oso's missing some bunnies.
Oso needs to quit being soft at the rim. Put the ball in the basket.
Wtf Oso
Hes been brutal in the paint the last two games. Going way too fast and fancy.
Once again, the refs are allowing Kolek to have the piss mugged out of him, and calling ticky tack touch fouls on MU.
Very piss poor reffing
We have six fouls, seems like 16, goodness gracious. Boys have to be tougher, keep going at the rim. Gonna be a slog, maybe we can open it up in 2H
Up two so tough to complain too much.
But if we play that half in control we could be up about 8. Too many moments of wild and unnessary forced looks. Bad final possession.
Kams D against Thomas in the paint with 2 fouls was brilliant though
Would help to get above 50% on bunnies
Way too many missed chippies and poor execution to close. Had a great opportunity to extend to 8-10 pts. Need to refocus and simply make point blank shots.
Please don't settle for 3s in the 2nd half
Up 2 on the road. We are getting good looks everywhere. We will hit some threes second half and that will open the paint even more. Let's get the second half off to a great start for Marquette.
Make shots.
But damn, I'm just hoping we get outta hinkle without an injury. Guy getting mugged out there at the hoop
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 13, 2024, 06:17:56 PM
Please don't settle for 3s in the 2nd half
They most certainly did not settle for 3s in the first half. Move toward the mean on paint shots and this is a comfortable win
Half time lead Big East game on the road will take it.
Certainly not calling this one tight. Hopefully we can get a 2H like Saturday.
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on February 13, 2024, 05:37:37 PM
Butler letting us get to the rim?!
And we're missing easy baskets.
Will be tough to bring it home but I liked the effort in the 1H.
Terrible Half of Ball. I'd start the walk-ons to open the second half to send a message
I am not happy
Quote from: Johnny B on February 13, 2024, 06:23:22 PM
I am not happy
Neither am I. I threw a full bottle of Jacob's Best at my Warriors pennant
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 13, 2024, 06:22:43 PM
Terrible Half of Ball. I'd start the walk-ons to open the second half to send a message
I would bring back Michael Kennedy and start him to send the message that this game is certifiably 100% over
Butler will pack the paint in second half to stop our dribble drives. We will have ti bit some threes... but that will open up the lanes. So hope our half time adjustments are better that theirs....
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 13, 2024, 06:24:51 PM
Neither am I. I threw a full bottle of Jacob's Best at my Warriors pennant
Did you miss like a Marquette layup?
Quote from: GB Warrior on February 13, 2024, 06:24:58 PM
I would bring back Michael Kennedy and start him to send the message that this game is certifiably 100% over
Send 4 guys out and tell the refs my team is out there
Telfort is a tough player. We might not want to help off of him.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 13, 2024, 06:27:05 PM
Telfort is a tough player. We might not want to help off of him.
Undercut him and break his ankle
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 13, 2024, 06:27:05 PM
Telfort is a tough player. We might not want to help off of him.
Meh, give him the mid range. If they keep cooking from there like creighton live with it.
Dont want to over help and give them some of the wide open 3s they are getting and also be out of position for boards.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 13, 2024, 06:27:05 PM
Telfort is a tough player. We might not want to help off of him.
I'd let him take the three - his specialty is the mid-range game.
Stop missing lay ups!!
Hello!!!! LFG now!!!
Beautiful play
Great play, Oso not fouled, but great finish
Weve gotta finish these damn shots at the rim
My goodness!! Make lay-ups!!! Killing us
Refs are so inconsistent. Can't imagine how the players feel right now
3 on Kam and Stevie.
Chase time
That's a tough whistle there.
Mitchell with 3 hurts a lot. Fk.
Based on the trash called on Kam and Stevie, Butler should be called for a foul damn near every possession.
Fouls an issue
Cant leave the corner open
Would like to see us up ten at the under eight time out.
Quote from: IL Warrior on February 13, 2024, 06:39:27 PM
Based on the trash called on Kam and Stevie, Butler should be called for a foul damn near every possession.
Yeah. Butler has fouled us about 7 times this half. Refs just are not going to call it. So we have to play through that. No option. Let's Goo Marquette!
At least 9 layups or bunnies missed or blocked in first. Then Kam misses first one of second half and Kolek another. Finish them and it's a blowout. Shame.
Limit those open threes please......
Ref complaints of no calls in first, got you wish, here they come. Very inconsistent by officials, let them play, then don't let them play.
Nice start to the 2H
Quote from: Daniel on February 13, 2024, 06:42:36 PM
Yeah. Butler has fouled us about 7 times this half. Refs just are not going to call it. So we have to play through that. No option. Let's Goo Marquette!
100% accurate.
Big shot by Tyko.
Gahhh Tk rushed that floater again. Double digits woulda been huge
Layups are killing me
Gotta make some layups.
Settle the fu ck down holy sh it
This is all self inflicted forces.
Damn - we are so close to blowing this open.
Composure, regain it
Man the point blank misses are infuriating. Gotta finish. Period.
I've said it multiple times this season, but truly I've never seen an AA/BEPOY caliber player get fewer calls than Kolek. He gets absolutely abused every game, and it's not like he plays soft
Tie up my ass. That's a foul.
Not even a tie up. Refs are 🗑️
Ben's getting mugged and tripped out there
It's clear we're not getting calls tonight.
Soft ass calls
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 13, 2024, 06:48:04 PM
It's clear we're not getting calls tonight.
That's putting it lightly. Playing 5v8 right now.
Gotta forget about it and just play.
I am so sick of this inconsistent reffing. And, well done on D BG
Refs are on one tonight wow
Getting an awful whistle.
Take that open 3, Chase.
Why is Chase passing up a corner 3?
Ben has definitely been improving. Good to see.
That foul looked a lot like the one on Butler that they called a tie up...
How in the hell does Butler only have 2 fouls? 🤔
They are calling fouls only one way this is ridiculous
We keep blowing our own chances when up 8 wiht the ball tho. Chase with the fake then went full finesse and allowed butler to just take it outta the air.
So a closed fist is apparently required for a foul on Butler. That's an assumption on my part, they might not get called for that either.
Marquette has to play better than Butler and the refs. Tough task. But we will do it
Fouls are a concern for sure. I honestly think we're getting hosed but we simply have to play and stay disciplined.
We absolutely should be up 15, missed bunnies and clueless zebras making a difference. Make better decisions on offense and try not to blow on a guy, and we should be good
2 to 6 fouls doesn't pass the eye test.
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on February 13, 2024, 06:51:44 PM
We absolutely should be up 15, missed bunnies and clueless zebras making a difference. Make better decisions on offense and try not to blow on a guy, and we should be good
15 might be conservative. Make our layups
and get fair officiating and this is probably a 30 point margin right now.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 13, 2024, 06:51:39 PM
Fouls are a concern for sure. I honestly think we're getting hosed but we simply have to play and stay disciplined.
Couple offensive lapses but they've been very good on defense all game.
Thad telling them that they are not calling fouls tonight is rich
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on February 13, 2024, 06:51:44 PM
We absolutely should be up 15, missed bunnies and clueless zebras making a difference. Make better decisions on offense and try not to blow on a guy, and we should be good
Couldn't agree more.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 13, 2024, 06:53:01 PM
Thad telling them that they are not calling fouls tonight is rich
Rich indeed
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 13, 2024, 06:53:01 PM
Thad telling them that they are not calling fouls tonight is rich
LOL.
Brooks and Davis on the bench. Have to take advantage and get stops.
Thatta boy Ben. Let's go now!
Ben!!!!
Sir Ben!!!
Gold has been tough as nails tonight
BG has been outstanding so far.
Damn Gold is having a good one tonight.
Benny!!!
Finish em boys.
The Ben we been told about!!
Well, well, well, BG welcome to Hinkle
Ben has shown some Oso-like vision on occasion lately. If he keeps developing, look out.
Actually think that was an intentional pass from Stevie
BG more advanced than Oso at th same age??
Ugh, now Gold probably won't transfer
Quote from: NickelDimer on February 13, 2024, 06:56:41 PM
Gold has been tough as nails tonight
Superb game on both ends from the young New Zealander. 🇳🇿
Ben has been everywhere. Impact beyond the box score.
The in-season leaps from Jop and Benny G might be season altering. Very impressive performance from Gold tonight.
Quote from: IL Warrior on February 13, 2024, 06:57:26 PM
Ben has shown some Oso-like vision on occasion lately. If he keeps developing, look out.
Has gotten hosed tonight on several fouls too. He's been excellent in this game. Showing flashes of greatness.
Stevie you cant slow up on that
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 13, 2024, 07:00:45 PM
Stevie you cant slow up on that
Exactly.
And we cannot give up the corner 3.
4 on Kam
Kam has been getting outplayed all night. Just doesn't look like Kam. Hasn't for a lot of this Big East season.
Letting 13 cook us
have got to stop leaving that corner open. Especially with a lead. Let telfort take all the long mid range twos he wants.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on February 13, 2024, 06:58:49 PM
The in-season leaps from Jop and Benny G might be season altering. Very impressive performance from Gold tonight.
I don't know if it's an in season leap from Jop. This is what he did last year too. Started slow and ended up 6 Man of the Year
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 13, 2024, 07:02:48 PM
Kam has been getting outplayed all night. Just doesn't look like Kam. Hasn't for a lot of this Big East season.
The ankle might still be an issue.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 13, 2024, 07:02:48 PM
Kam has been getting outplayed all night. Just doesn't look like Kam. Hasn't for a lot of this Big East season.
Shaka said the ankle was hurting him on NMD.
Quote from: JWags85 on February 13, 2024, 07:03:50 PM
I don't know if it's an in season leap from Jop. This is what he did last year too. Started slow and ended up 6 Man of the Year
As a spot up flamethrower for the most part. He's got a way more complete game now
Quote from: JWags85 on February 13, 2024, 07:03:50 PM
I don't know if it's an in season leap from Jop. This is what he did last year too. Started slow and ended up 6 Man of the Year
I would say in virtually every element of his game other than scoring he's taken a leap. Defense, passing, rebounding, etc.
Jeez #13 shoots 27% from 3 on the year
TK got a call!!!
Count that!!! LFG!!!!
Oso playing too soft
OSO has been soso
Just brutal Oso.
Stop trying to be cute.
We are passing up some good looks from three.
We cannot lose to a team with a player named Finley Jizback
Chase should probably sit here
Ross has also been very hesitant on open shots. We need a time-out.
He fouled Oso 3 times within 2 seconds and was shocked he was called for a foul
Stop falling for his damn pump fake. Hees done it 3 goddamn times
Sweet Jesus! 13 is killing us.
TK so smart man
A can't believe a walk-on is keeping Butler in this game.
Butler looking tired again
Keep pushing
Great screen!
Get a stop and score!
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 13, 2024, 07:10:42 PM
Sweet Jesus! 13 is killing us.
Who tf is that. Star player out of nowhere?
TK showing that dork how it's done lol
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 13, 2024, 07:10:27 PM
Stop falling for his damn pump fake. Hees done it 3 goddamn times
Took the words out of my mouth. I stated against St.J we bite way too much on the shot fake.
Ross is having a rough one
Time to D up.
We are literally fouling this kid every time he gets the ball
Quote from: MUEng92 on February 13, 2024, 07:11:23 PM
A can't believe a walk-on is keeping Butler in this game.
He's out of his mind for how he's been all year, but he was a top 100 recruit...
Can just feel it slipping from a mile away.
Jfc
This is unreal
We keep missing in the paint while 13 cooks us
Quote from: MUEng92 on February 13, 2024, 07:11:23 PM
A can't believe a walk-on is keeping Butler in this game.
He was a top 130 player out of high school.
Killing Kolek and Ross. 14 points in five minutes.
Are you fking kidding me???
Hope someday Kolek can earn the respect from the refs Bizjack gets.
What was the foul there?
Shaka needed a timeout that possession
Such a dumb foul there by Oso
What's the call?? Man...Kam wide open.
Quote from: GB Warrior on February 13, 2024, 07:16:41 PM
What was the foul there?
Butler needed help. That's how it works tonight.
Quote from: NickelDimer on February 13, 2024, 07:16:46 PM
Shaka needed a timeout that possession
Butler was even more gassed. I didnt mind going for it. Kam had a good look too. His shot is just not consistent right now
Good grief Kam. He is so off. A bank that would've taken down the hoop if it was dead on.
Ugly closing job by us but we absolutely need Kam out there because he makes the offense flow.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 13, 2024, 07:16:51 PM
Such a dumb foul there by Oso
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I missed it. Fk. Can't do that.
Big time
TK
Statistically over.
Tyko!!!!!! LFG!°
Onions!
Boom!!
ANother brilliant screen
Count that!!!!
A few awesome play calls by Shaka, wow, and well executed by the boys
Shooting 1 and 1.
Have to make em
Can't make FTs
Stop, rebound, slam the door.
Butler will have to start tackling now to get a foul called!!!
Per fluffy, Butler should give up now.
That's what studs do.
What dumb foul Oso!!!!
This curly headed fck gets the latest whistles
Absolutely mental foul Oso
Where was the foul.
Oso man, what the...
Is this a joke??? Let that go.
Play def on 13. keep him from getting ball . God d--
Quote from: Fred Garvin on February 13, 2024, 07:23:32 PM
What dumb foul Oso!!!!
Probably the worst 17 point 9 rebound game he could have.
Focus and slam the freaking door.
Tk ice.
GET OUTTA TYLERS WAY FOR B2B POY!!!
Ref awfully quick with that whistle now! Haha
Dumb foul, Stevie.
Lol
Quote from: NickelDimer on February 13, 2024, 07:27:10 PM
Ref awfully quick with that whistle now! Haha
Well yeah, that helps Butler. They're being consistent in that regard.
He called that a foul?!?!?!?!??!
Till the bitter end. What a garbage whistle we got tonight.
WTF??????
Dung pile Stevie
Ugly win still a win. Can't wait for Saturday!
BAM!!
DOOR SLAMMED!!
Refs didn't even hit their Butler pointspread bets. That's a shame.
Thank god the dental appointment is over and we came out with all our teeth
Got out rebounded again
Great win.
House money on Saturday.
Quote from: real chili 83 on February 13, 2024, 07:31:54 PM
👆👆👆👆👆👆
You practiced that all day.
I never practice anything. Tremendous win!
lol. People blaming the refs? Did y'all see how many stupid fouls Marquette committed tonight? Reach ins, running into shooters, fouls 94' away...
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 13, 2024, 07:33:39 PM
lol. People blaming the refs? Did y'all see how many stupid fouls Marquette committed tonight? Reach ins, running into shooters, fouls 94' away...
::)
Kolek in post game interview says he will not confirm he is leaving after this year
Get me to Saturday.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 13, 2024, 07:33:39 PM
lol. People blaming the refs? Did y'all see how many stupid fouls Marquette committed tonight? Reach ins, running into shooters, fouls 94' away...
They even called a foul at half time when we were in the locker room.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 13, 2024, 07:33:39 PM
lol. People blaming the refs? Did y'all see how many stupid fouls Marquette committed tonight? Reach ins, running into shooters, fouls 94' away...
Cmon, we committed some poor fouls and the refs were brutal, both ways.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 13, 2024, 07:35:06 PM
::)
The refs were not a problem at all. Marquette had so many because they reached all night. Good thing they were just better.
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on February 13, 2024, 07:36:49 PM
Cmon, we committed some poor fouls and the refs were brutal, both ways.
Refs are always brutal and inconsistent. Their calls didn't advantage Butler one bit.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 13, 2024, 07:38:30 PM
Refs are always brutal and inconsistent. Their calls didn't advantage Butler one bit.
I disagree, refs have been good of late. I like when they "let them play" a little. Butler didn't take advantage, but we tried very hard to give it to them.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 13, 2024, 07:32:20 PM
Great win.
House money on Saturday.
Yup. I really cant see us winning in their place.
I just hope its a great game. Would be a letdown for the hype to have it be like last year at their place.
Hoping some bozo Uconn fans say something dumb and fuel the beast though, all bets are off then.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 13, 2024, 07:37:38 PM
The refs were not a problem at all. Marquette had so many because they reached all night. Good thing they were just better.
That's not what people were complaining about. Of course, you refuse to criticize the refs even when it's deserved.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 13, 2024, 07:38:30 PM
Refs are always brutal and inconsistent. Their calls didn't advantage Butler one bit.
Incorrect.
Quote from: MurphysTillClose on February 13, 2024, 07:35:54 PM
Get me to Saturday.
One Bulldog down; now let's crate the Huskies.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 13, 2024, 07:41:26 PM
Yup. I really cant see us winning in their place.
I just hope its a great game. Would be a letdown for the hype to have it be like last year at their place.
Hoping some bozo Uconn fans say something dumb and fuel the beast though, all bets are off then.
Difficult challenge but we're absolutely more than capable of beating them.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 13, 2024, 07:41:33 PM
That's not what people were complaining about. Of course, you refuse to criticize the refs even when it's deserved.
No. I refuse to criticize the refs because it's a loser's lament. They didn't have an impact on this game at all. And they hardly ever do.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 13, 2024, 07:42:20 PM
Incorrect.
Nope. You're wrong...again.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 13, 2024, 07:38:30 PM
Refs are always brutal and inconsistent. Their calls didn't advantage Butler one bit.
I thought they called a tight but fair game for Marquette.
I thought they called a loose game for Butler, especially in the first 17min of the first half.
Gold suxs!
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 13, 2024, 07:45:31 PM
I thought they called a tight but fair game for Marquette.
I thought they called a loose game for Butler, especially in the first 17min of the first half.
Marquette was reaching all half. So many dumb fouls.
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 13, 2024, 07:46:16 PM
Gold suxs!
Gotta admit I didn't see his emergence coming.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 13, 2024, 07:45:19 PM
No. I refuse to criticize the refs because it's a loser's lament. They didn't have an impact on this game at all. And they hardly ever do.
Nope. You're wrong...again.
You're wrong twice. Appreciate the consistency, though!
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 13, 2024, 07:45:19 PM
No. I refuse to criticize the refs because it's a loser's lament. They didn't have an impact on this game at all. And they hardly ever do.
Nope. You're wrong...again.
Chris Collins disagrees
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 13, 2024, 07:41:26 PM
Yup. I really cant see us winning in their place.
I just hope its a great game. Would be a letdown for the hype to have it be like last year at their place.
Hoping some bozo Uconn fans say something dumb and fuel the beast though, all bets are off then.
Of course winning on the road is challenging, but do you really believe UCONN is a better team this year than they were last year? And are we better or worse? My feeling is we are trending toward being better than last year's team and I'm not sold UCONN is better than their squad last year.
Look at UCONN's schedule this season - a good win against UNC, and I guess Gonzaga? They did beat Texas too, but lost to Kansas.
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 13, 2024, 07:45:31 PM
I thought they called a tight but fair game for Marquette.
I thought they called a loose game for Butler, especially in the first 17min of the first half.
Chad Matta in Cuddle: "The refs aren't calling fouls (so foul)."
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 13, 2024, 07:47:20 PM
You're wrong twice. Appreciate the consistency, though!
I guess you're just another one to ignore when it comes to actual basketball discussion. Thanks for making it easy.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 13, 2024, 07:48:49 PM
Of course winning on the road is challenging, but do you really believe UCONN is a better team this year than they were last year? And are we better or worse? My feeling is we are trending toward being better than last year's team and I'm not sold UCONN is better than their squad last year.
Look at UCONN's schedule this season - a good win against UNC, and I guess Gonzaga? They did beat Texas too, but lost to Kansas.
UConn hasn't lost at home to Butler
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 13, 2024, 07:48:49 PM
Of course winning on the road is challenging, but do you really believe UCONN is a better team this year than they were last year? And are we better or worse? My feeling is we are trending toward being better than last year's team and I'm not sold UCONN is better than their squad last year.
Look at UCONN's schedule this season - a good win against UNC, and I guess Gonzaga? They did beat Texas too, but lost to Kansas.
Tbh I just think they are a tough match up(not that this doesnt apply to most teams they play) and on the road I just dont feel good. Obviously not a 100% loss. And we have yet to win there since they returned so kinda a believe it when I see it.
Tough call on both whether both teams are better or not. I think we have more upside then last year with the added development of guys and Tk being in savage mode in full on ball duty. Need Kam to get healthy/mentally locked in tho.
Uconn might be better imo. Clingan is more of a difference maker on both ends, Karaban is much improved and I think Spencer is really damn good.
Either way, not afraid to play them on a neutral floor in April when it truly matters.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 13, 2024, 07:48:55 PM
I guess you're just another one to ignore when it comes to actual basketball discussion. Thanks for making it easy.
😂
🤡
Elon
MU is a much better team than last year. They have been built over a three year period and ready to play anyone in the country. Saturday is a big game, but there will be bigger games before TK retires.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 13, 2024, 07:53:25 PM
UConn hasn't lost at home to Butler
We had a dud game Reeko. It happens. No reason to dwell on it.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 13, 2024, 08:21:58 PM
We had a dud game Reeko. It happens. No reason to dwell on it.
It was unacceptable
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 13, 2024, 07:38:30 PM
Their calls didn't advantage Butler one bit.
Even Thad Matta disagrees with you.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 13, 2024, 08:23:24 PM
It was unacceptable
At the time it was but I and others overreacted.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 13, 2024, 08:21:58 PM
We had a dud game Reeko. It happens. No reason to dwell on it.
(https://i.gifer.com/8mx.gif)
Someone, please bookmark this for the next time we lose. My guess is Muggsy is going to need a reminder
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 13, 2024, 07:45:19 PM
No. I refuse to criticize the refs because it's a loser's lament. They didn't have an impact on this game at all. And they hardly ever do.
Whether it impacted the outcome or not, the game was very poorly officiated, and it creates dangerous situations when they won't do their job, which is to call fouls that are right in front of them.
Posh used his knee to trip Chase, very obviously a foul, and they called it a travel. Tyler got shoved in the back out of bounds, and it was a no call while Jason Benetti said "and Butler has numbers again" which, I mean, yeah, you'll have a numerical advantage on offense when you are allowed to shove players to the ground on one end of the court and everyone else is running back (which happened multiple times). They finally called the Telfort hook and hold, which could've given us another shoulder injury, but he wouldn't even try something so blatantly dangerous if the refs were doing their jobs.
Bad officiating is bad officiating. It creates a lower quality of play, reduces fan confidence on both sides, and increases the odds of injuries. There are zero positives to a game being officiated like last night was. If something is a foul, call it a foul. That did not happen last night.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 14, 2024, 05:29:57 AM
Whether it impacted the outcome or not, the game was very poorly officiated, and it creates dangerous situations when they won't do their job, which is to call fouls that are right in front of them.
Posh used his knee to trip Chase, very obviously a foul, and they called it a travel. Tyler got shoved in the back out of bounds, and it was a no call while Jason Benetti said "and Butler has numbers again" which, I mean, yeah, you'll have a numerical advantage on offense when you are allowed to shove players to the ground on one end of the court and everyone else is running back (which happened multiple times). They finally called the Telfort hook and hold, which could've given us another shoulder injury, but he wouldn't even try something so blatantly dangerous if the refs were doing their jobs.
Bad officiating is bad officiating. It creates a lower quality of play, reduces fan confidence on both sides, and increases the odds of injuries. There are zero positives to a game being officiated like last night was. If something is a foul, call it a foul. That did not happen last night.
This is my feeling. The Telfort one got me mad. it was dangerous and should been an f1
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 14, 2024, 05:29:57 AM
Whether it impacted the outcome or not, the game was very poorly officiated, and it creates dangerous situations when they won't do their job, which is to call fouls that are right in front of them.
Posh used his knee to trip Chase, very obviously a foul, and they called it a travel. Tyler got shoved in the back out of bounds, and it was a no call while Jason Benetti said "and Butler has numbers again" which, I mean, yeah, you'll have a numerical advantage on offense when you are allowed to shove players to the ground on one end of the court and everyone else is running back (which happened multiple times). They finally called the Telfort hook and hold, which could've given us another shoulder injury, but he wouldn't even try something so blatantly dangerous if the refs were doing their jobs.
Bad officiating is bad officiating. It creates a lower quality of play, reduces fan confidence on both sides, and increases the odds of injuries. There are zero positives to a game being officiated like last night was. If something is a foul, call it a foul. That did not happen last night.
The reffing had been so bad to this point I honestly thought they were going to call OSO for a moving screen.
Last night, someone compared the officiating in this game to soccer officiating. In soccer, they often only call a foul if it creates an advantage for the other team. Many calls behind or away from the play go uncalled even though they would clearly be fouls in different circumstances.
That's not how it's supposed to work in basketball. A foul is a foul regardless of location or circumstance. And when you don't call fouls that are fouls (the Oso touch foul in Hawaii 40 feet from the basket comes to mind) you end up with dangerous plays and looking the other way when advantages are created (Tyler getting shoved out of bounds to create a 5-on-4 break).
Just officiate the basketball game like a basketball game.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 14, 2024, 07:26:15 AM
Last night, someone compared the officiating in this game to soccer officiating. In soccer, they often only call a foul if it creates an advantage for the other team. Many calls behind or away from the play go uncalled even though they would clearly be fouls in different circumstances.
That's not how it's supposed to work in basketball. A foul is a foul regardless of location or circumstance. And when you don't call fouls that are fouls (the Oso touch foul in Hawaii 40 feet from the basket comes to mind) you end up with dangerous plays and looking the other way when advantages are created (Tyler getting shoved out of bounds to create a 5-on-4 break).
Just officiate the basketball game like a basketball game.
There's definitely a line between allowing some physicality vs creating a dangerous environment. Other than Fluffy I think the vast, vast, vast majority of scoopers were not pleased with the officiating yesterday.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 14, 2024, 05:29:57 AM
Whether it impacted the outcome or not, the game was very poorly officiated, and it creates dangerous situations when they won't do their job, which is to call fouls that are right in front of them.
Posh used his knee to trip Chase, very obviously a foul, and they called it a travel. Tyler got shoved in the back out of bounds, and it was a no call while Jason Benetti said "and Butler has numbers again" which, I mean, yeah, you'll have a numerical advantage on offense when you are allowed to shove players to the ground on one end of the court and everyone else is running back (which happened multiple times). They finally called the Telfort hook and hold, which could've given us another shoulder injury, but he wouldn't even try something so blatantly dangerous if the refs were doing their jobs.
Bad officiating is bad officiating. It creates a lower quality of play, reduces fan confidence on both sides, and increases the odds of injuries. There are zero positives to a game being officiated like last night was. If something is a foul, call it a foul. That did not happen last night.
Yes. They are bad. They've been bad for a long time. And the NCAA and its conferences only have themselves to blame for this. They have created this "independent contractor" model, so refs aren't adequately evaluated and trained, and are motivated to work anywhere at any time to maximize their income.
What they *should* do is make them employees, limit their schedules, but have a more thorough evaluation process. But that's costsly. And you get what you pay for.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 14, 2024, 08:03:08 AM
Yes. They are bad. They've been bad for a long time. And the NCAA and its conferences only have themselves to blame for this. They have created this "independent contractor" model, so refs aren't adequately evaluated and trained, and are motivated to work anywhere at any time to maximize their income.
What they *should* do is make them employees, limit their schedules, but have a more thorough evaluation process. But that's costsly. And you get what you pay for.
God forbid anyone calls this out when it's even worse than usual, even if it didn't impact the outcome of the game.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 14, 2024, 08:07:31 AM
God forbid anyone calls this out when it's even worse than usual, even if it didn't impact the outcome of the game.
I never have a problem with "the refs are bad." I have a problem with "we are playing 5 on 8" or similar nonsense.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 13, 2024, 08:35:03 PM
At the time it was but I and others overreacted.
There might have been some overreacting after that Butler game, but I think it was legitimate to have some concerns about whether the team was going to live up to the preseason expectations.
That game, the second half in particular, was just the latest of several uninspiring performances that started with the Wisconsin game. Kolek was not playing like an all state, much less an all American level player and they couldn't make a three-point shot to save their lives. The injuries to Ross and Sean Jones added more uncertainty to the future.
Officiating last night was beyond poor, it was biased. I even checked scoop to see if others were noticing it. In addition, The refs must hate Tyler because he is constantly getting fouled, all conference long, yet no calls. The trip on Chase being called travel was not the only one. I believe it was Gold in the first half got bumped in the lane and called for a travel. Then the ironic part was Butler in the second half blatantly walking on at least 3 occasions and no call.
Quote from: FrennA on February 14, 2024, 09:39:25 AM
Officiating last night was beyond poor, it was biased. I even checked scoop to see if others were noticing it. In addition, The refs must hate Tyler because he is constantly getting fouled, all conference long, yet no calls. The trip on Chase being called travel was not the only one. I believe it was Gold in the first half got bumped in the lane and called for a travel. Then the ironic part was Butler in the second half blatantly walking on at least 3 occasions and no call.
This is exactly what I mean. It's no longer that the refereeing is bad...or even favors a team...it's that the refs have actual bias and hate our players.
I just can't take that seriously.
Quote from: FrennA on February 14, 2024, 09:39:25 AM
The trip on Chase being called travel was not the only one.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 14, 2024, 09:43:09 AM
This is exactly what I mean. It's no longer that the refereeing is bad...or even favors a team...it's that the refs have actual bias and hate our players.
I just can't take that seriously.
I don't think Chase got tripped. I thought so at the time, but repeated viewings on replay did not seem to show a trip. I think he slipped.
When my daughter used to play at Hinkle the floor was
always wet. Since it was VB they did not use the full BB court, and every time I was there they had big commercial fans on the court near the BB end line trying to keep the court dry (and not completely successfully). Not sure what the issue there is.
Quote from: FrennA on February 14, 2024, 09:39:25 AM
Officiating last night was beyond poor, it was biased. I even checked scoop to see if others were noticing it. In addition, The refs must hate Tyler because he is constantly getting fouled, all conference long, yet no calls. The trip on Chase being called travel was not the only one. I believe it was Gold in the first half got bumped in the lane and called for a travel. Then the ironic part was Butler in the second half blatantly walking on at least 3 occasions and no call.
I think generally there is a natural human bias towards the home team and/or the team that is behind. We were going against both last night.
For example, Mitchell's foul with 18 seconds left is probably called a jump ball if we were behind. Same situation happened earlier when Gold grabbed a rebound off a free throw and it was called a jump ball quickly.
Joplin's foul on the the "And 1" late in the game was called.
These were both swallowed:
https://x.com/davee_8/status/1755573678496985280?s=46
Joplin foul: https://x.com/butlermbb/status/1757573072427626643?s=46
Similar plays, different situations, different calls.
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 14, 2024, 09:59:03 AM
For example, Mitchell's foul with 18 seconds left is probably called a jump ball if we were behind. Same situation happened earlier when Gold grabbed a rebound off a free throw and it was called a jump ball quickly.
But they weren't similar plays. Stevie clearly went over his back. Ben brought the ball down right in front of the Butler player.
Watch it again. Stevie was nowhere near over his back. He went under to grab the ball.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on February 14, 2024, 10:13:25 AM
But they weren't similar plays. Stevie clearly went over his back. Ben brought the ball down right in front of the Butler player.
Not really worth arguing but I don't think Stevie went over the back:
(1:05:33)
https://youtu.be/E0VLG1hYiso?feature=shared
Quote from: MUfan12 on February 14, 2024, 10:17:27 AM
Watch it again. Stevie was nowhere near over his back. He went under to grab the ball.
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 14, 2024, 10:18:16 AM
Not really worth arguing but I don't think Stevie went over the back:
(1:05:33)
https://youtu.be/E0VLG1hYiso?feature=shared
You are both correct. I had the wrong play in my head. But I also can't really see what happened.
You really can't believe a ref doesn't like Kolek? The same player the announcers constantly rave about his tough guy attitude, who thrives when taunted? The guy who plays with a chip on his shoulder who's constantly jawing at the refs? You can't image a ref not being biased against him? Really? Ok. I admire their professionalism then since I could see myself not being completely fair to a guy jawing at me constantly. I guess I need to work on myself and take your word that the refs are never biased. Definitely makes me change my opinion on those 3 first half fouls called on Wade at the Kohl center. Must have been warranted because it would be crazy to assume anything to the contrary.
Quote from: FrennA on February 14, 2024, 10:21:23 AM
You really can't believe a ref doesn't like Kolek? The same player the announcers constantly rave about his tough guy attitude, who thrives when taunted? The guy who plays with a chip on his shoulder who's constantly jawing at the refs? You can't image a ref not being biased against him? Really? Ok. I admire their professionalism then since I could see myself not being completely fair to a guy jawing at me constantly. I guess I need to work on myself and take your word that the refs are never biased. Definitely makes me change my opinion on those 3 first half fouls called on Wade at the Kohl center. Must have been warranted because it would be crazy to assume anything to the contrary.
I have no idea if a ref likes or doesn't like Kolek. Most of them have seen hundreds of similar guys, so no...I don't think it has anything to do with bias.
And you are seriously bringing up a game from 22 and a half years ago to prove your point?
Yes, I am. Is that ok?
To me, this is cinema
Quote from: FrennA on February 14, 2024, 10:29:09 AM
Yes, I am. Is that ok?
Do what you want. It's just not terribly relevant to a game played in February 2024.
Quote from: FrennA on February 14, 2024, 10:21:23 AM
You really can't believe a ref doesn't like Kolek? The same player the announcers constantly rave about his tough guy attitude, who thrives when taunted? The guy who plays with a chip on his shoulder who's constantly jawing at the refs? You can't image a ref not being biased against him? Really? Ok. I admire their professionalism then since I could see myself not being completely fair to a guy jawing at me constantly. I guess I need to work on myself and take your word that the refs are never biased. Definitely makes me change my opinion on those 3 first half fouls called on Wade at the Kohl center. Must have been warranted because it would be crazy to assume anything to the contrary.
Several thoughts on your questions:
- More often than not, when I see TyKo talking to refs it is during a stoppage (e.g., coming out of time-outs, during free throws, etc.) and both TyKo and the referee seem pretty chill - my general impression is that they like him. I could be wrong, of course.
- TyKo certainly isn't terribly unique in his tendency to complain about calls or play with a chip on his shoulder. At all. Basketball at all levels is filled with players who sincerely believe they have never committed a foul and/or were fouled every time they drive and are eager to share their opinion with the refs. Not sure why they'd hate on TyKo.
- Why did the refs at the Kohl center hate Wade? Was he constantly jawing or have a chip on his shoulder? I honestly don't recall.
Are there refs out there with personal bias toward a player? I have no doubt that there are some. But it's pretty rare. In my opinion, any "bias" against TyKo -- to the extent it exists -- is a bias against players who drive the lane and are just teetering on the edge of being a little out of control. I think TyKo does that -- and it's one of the things I love about him. Refs don't like to bail those guys out.
Most of the established refs are good with Tyler. I've seen them chatting and both were smiling/laughing. He may chirp at them if he thinks they missed one, but he knows where the line is.
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 14, 2024, 10:41:42 AM
Or St. Thomas
Like the Wisconsin loss, the loss to St. Thomas has haunted this team all year
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 14, 2024, 11:00:14 AM
Like the Wisconsin loss, the loss to St. Thomas has haunted this team all year
I am in therapy still for the Michigan scrimmage loss
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 14, 2024, 11:01:48 AM
I am in therapy still for the Michigan scrimmage loss
Set the tone for the season for both squads
Shaka presser on Butler you tube:
https://www.youtube.com/live/MT0kwbXfMs8?si=HhbPMm22xQdXWI_a&t=909
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 14, 2024, 11:00:14 AM
Like the Wisconsin loss, the loss to St. Thomas has haunted this team all year
...at least with the Wisconsin loss, we know that Gard knows ball