"And I thought our guys shared the ball. Listen, when you're leaders are Oso Ighodaro and Tyler Kolek and the way they pass, it's contagious. We talk a lot about EGBs. The No. 1 EGB is passing. And the No. 1 EZB - energy zapping behavior - is not passing when you should pass."
Interesting to ponder how Shaka would have coached the Markus Howard/Hauser team that ultimately disintegrated.
And so it begins....again.
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Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 11, 2023, 09:53:15 AM
He's not wrong.
Shaka's quote is 100% on the money, and the way his teams at MU have played is reflected in this mindset. We've seen what happens when a coach implores one kid to "shoot more" and hand out the "ultimate green light." Chemistry disintegrates.
Isn't there a thread in the superbar this could be appended to
Quote from: Elonsmusk on November 11, 2023, 09:47:32 AM
Interesting to ponder
For 2 years, a Hall of Fame coach dealt with Sam's lazy, pouty, entitled little brother by alternately screaming in his face and benching him.
So sure, pondering how Shaka would have dealt with him
is an interesting exercise. It's especially interesting to ponder unprovable hypotheticals from years ago when our current team is in the top 5.
Next on the interesting-to-ponder list: How would Shaka have coached the Rivers-led teams that Majerus couldn't win with.
Maybe we need a poll.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 11, 2023, 09:53:15 AM
He's not wrong.
Imagine having a top-5 team with an arena hopping for buy games and spending time bitching about previous coaches. Marquette fans are so soft it's unbelievable. Bet Arizona fans spent the night bringing up Sean Miller
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 11, 2023, 09:53:15 AM
He's not wrong.
I agree. But it goes without saying. Markus and the Hausers would have been a much better team with Shaka as the head coach.
I would've loved to see Jamal Cain develop under Shaka. Not only from a skill development standpoint, like we've seen with O-Max and Chase but also the system fit.
Cain would have been great at the top of Shaka's press and halfcourt traps. On offense, the role of corner three point shooter, off ball cutting to the rim, and running the floor in transition. Would have been fun to see.
Shaka would have pursuaded Doc not to steal Marotta's girl friend and all would have been copacetic in 1982.
I like it. Pass and let the ball find the best shot.
Hasn't Shaka made some kind of comments about Kam having more or less the ultimate green light? I feel like he talks about wanting everyone to feel confident they can take their shot. Maybe I'm imagining these things.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 11, 2023, 10:39:46 AM
I agree. But it goes without saying. Markus and the Hausers would have been a much better team with Shaka as the head coach.
I don't think it does.......more likely that Shaka wouldn't have recruited them since they don't fit his defensive profile.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 11, 2023, 11:25:14 AM
Hasn't Shaka made some kind of comments about Kam having more or less the ultimate green light? I feel like he talks about wanting everyone to feel confident they can take their shot. Maybe I'm imagining these things.
You're not.
Would love to see whether wojo could get a team with Jaxson Hayes and Courtney Ramey into the big dance.
Quote from: MuMark on November 11, 2023, 11:29:46 AM
I don't think it does.......more likely that Shaka wouldn't have recruited them since they don't fit his defensive profile.
The point would be better coaching matters. But agreed on your point as well.
Quote from: MuMark on November 11, 2023, 11:29:46 AM
I don't think it does.......more likely that Shaka wouldn't have recruited them since they don't fit his defensive profile.
Speaking of which, I'm not sure Shaka would have recruited Kam. Stevie, yes, for sure, but Kam's style isn't the typical, intense guy Shaka favors. I recall Shaka, when asked about Kam dancing around on the court before the tip, saying something along the lines of, "I wouldn't it that way, but then again I can't shoot the ball like Kam."
Quote from: Elonsmusk on November 11, 2023, 09:47:32 AM
"And I thought our guys shared the ball. Listen, when you're leaders are Oso Ighodaro and Tyler Kolek and the way they pass, it's contagious. We talk a lot about EGBs. The No. 1 EGB is passing. And the No. 1 EZB - energy zapping behavior - is not passing when you should pass."
Interesting to ponder how Shaka would have coached the Markus Howard/Hauser team that ultimately disintegrated.
It's really sad that you can't move on.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on November 11, 2023, 12:29:59 PM
It's really sad that you can't move on.
Agreed......I mean we have a top 5 team and people insist on reliving the past instead of just appreciating the present.
Asking how Shaka would have coached Glenn Rivers or Vanilla Soft Serve is akin to asking how Al would have coached Oso or Kam. At best it's speculation. Chances are, given our current culture, we probably would not have recruited them!
We are where we are. I'm proud of what our coach has done. I'm proud of our team's identity. It's different, I'll concede, but we're attaining things we haven't seen in awhile. Consecutive NCAA berths. Very high national rankings and, Glory Be, a Big East regular season and tournament championship. We have unfinished business from last year, so lets focus on that rather than past nightmares.
Quote from: dgies9156 on November 11, 2023, 02:43:17 PM
Asking how Shaka would have coached Glenn Rivers or Vanilla Soft Serve is akin to asking how Al would have coached Oso or Kam. At best it's speculation. Chances are, given our current culture, we probably would not have recruited them!
We are where we are. I'm proud of what our coach has done. I'm proud of our team's identity. It's different, I'll concede, but we're attaining things we haven't seen in awhile. Consecutive NCAA berths. Very high national rankings and, Glory Be, a Big East regular season and tournament championship. We have unfinished business from last year, so lets focus on that rather than past nightmares.
Yo brother geezer, making sense and no mention of sprouts, much love
Quote from: wadesworld on November 11, 2023, 11:25:14 AM
Hasn't Shaka made some kind of comments about Kam having more or less the ultimate green light? I feel like he talks about wanting everyone to feel confident they can take their shot. Maybe I'm imagining these things.
My recollection was that initially Shaka encouraged Kam to shoot more, saying he was too shy and was our best shooter. When Kam took his advice a little too much too heart and began launching 30 footers early in the shot clock Shaka said publicly that Kam needed to tone it down. And he has.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 11, 2023, 03:37:41 PM
My recollection was that initially Shaka encouraged Kam to shoot more, saying he was too shy and was our best shooter. When Kam took his advice a little too much too heart and began launching 30 footers early in the shot clock Shaka said publicly that Kam needed to tone it down. And he has.
Shaka also immediately yanked him last night after a deep three early in the shot clock.
Only one and a half pages so far? Maybe this subject is peetering out.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 11, 2023, 05:02:13 PM
Only one and a half pages so far? Maybe this subject is peetering out.
Just a quote
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 11, 2023, 03:37:41 PM
My recollection was that initially Shaka encouraged Kam to shoot more, saying he was too shy and was our best shooter. When Kam took his advice a little too much too heart and began launching 30 footers early in the shot clock Shaka said publicly that Kam needed to tone it down. And he has.
Yep. And as StillAWarrior said, Shaka also benched him once.
Quote from: dgies9156 on November 11, 2023, 02:43:17 PM
Asking how Shaka would have coached Glenn Rivers or Vanilla Soft Serve is akin to asking how Al would have coached Oso or Kam.
Al would have punched Oso in the face, and he would have told Kam to leave for the NBA midway through last season.
I mean, that's just science.
What would Bob Dukiet do?
A lot.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on November 11, 2023, 08:04:18 PM
Lose.
Bob was an artist. As such, he preferred collaboration to competition. Should have stuck with the piano.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 11, 2023, 10:18:57 AM
Imagine having a top-5 team with an arena hopping for buy games and spending time bitching about previous coaches. Marquette fans are so soft it's unbelievable. Bet Arizona fans spent the night bringing up Sean Miller
Imagine Scoop being filled with sarcastic, and rarely funny, inane attempts at humor. Wojo lovers like you and the others that had an issue with the quote are so soft it's unbelievable.
Shaka's quote is relevant and stands out as a contrast to where we are and where we were. It's really sad you, Sultan, MuMark/markedman, and other Wojo fans get so sensitive over comparisons.
You guys are truly vanilla soft serve! Chill and embrace the current coach and its Top 5 ranking!!
Quote from: Elonsmusk on November 12, 2023, 09:05:27 AM
Imagine Scoop being filled with sarcastic, and rarely funny, inane attempts at humor. Wojo lovers like you and the others that had an issue with the quote are so soft it's unbelievable.
Shaka's quote is relevant and stands out as a contrast to where we are and where we were. It's really sad you, Sultan, MuMark/markedman, and other Wojo fans get so sensitive over comparisons.
You guys are truly vanilla soft serve! Chill and embrace the current coach and its Top 5 ranking!!
Uh.... You're the one that keeps bringing up Wojo. I mean you just brought him up in a topic YOU created in a topic about a Shaka quote of all things.
Move on dude. The rest of us have.
Thank you for the laughs and entertainment.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on November 12, 2023, 09:05:27 AM
Imagine Scoop being filled with sarcastic, and rarely funny, inane attempts at humor. Wojo lovers like you and the others that had an issue with the quote are so soft it's unbelievable.
Shaka's quote is relevant and stands out as a contrast to where we are and where we were. It's really sad you, Sultan, MuMark/markedman, and other Wojo fans get so sensitive over comparisons.
You guys are truly vanilla soft serve! Chill and embrace the current coach and its Top 5 ranking!!
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Quote from: Elonsmusk on November 12, 2023, 09:05:27 AM
Chill and embrace the current coach and its Top 5 ranking!!
Absolutely. And the rest of us - whether NoJos, ProJos or Don't-Give-A-Sh1t-Jos - look forward to you following your own advice.
Trap thread
Quote from: real chili 83 on November 12, 2023, 09:49:48 AM
Trap thread
90% of scoop
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This is easy. Shaka would never have recruited the brothers.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on November 12, 2023, 12:07:53 PM
This is easy. Shaka would never have recruited the brothers.
Bingo
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on November 12, 2023, 12:07:53 PM
This is easy. Shaka would never have recruited the brothers.
You know Doc, it's a different culture. For a player to be recruited seriously, they have to fit in.
Their aint no "go to" must have shooter on Coach Shaka's teams. There are five of them -- the five on the court.
Relationships mean having confidence in each other, looking for each other and counting on each other. In corporate-speak, it's called collaboration.
What got Wojo in trouble was there was no collaborative effort. What I saw in his teams was a lack of brotherliness and instead looking for the big brother to "beat up the bully."
All this said, Shaka may have recruited Markus but if Markus had come here under Shaka, he would have been a very different player. Ditto for the brothers.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on November 12, 2023, 12:07:53 PM
This is easy. Shaka would never have recruited the brothers.
Not both of them. But I think he woulda gone after Sam.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 11, 2023, 10:39:46 AM
I agree. But it goes without saying. Markus and the Hausers would have been a much better team with Shaka as the head coach.
Markus wouldn't have come to MU if Shaka were the coach.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on November 12, 2023, 12:07:53 PM
This is easy. Shaka would never have recruited the brothers.
Hmm, would Shaka have requited Cam, Stevie, Oso and Justin?
Quote from: NCMUFan on November 13, 2023, 08:31:00 AM
Hmm, would Shaka have requited Cam, Stevie, Oso and Justin?
I love auto-correct.
Quote from: NCMUFan on November 13, 2023, 08:31:00 AM
Hmm, would Shaka have requited Cam, Stevie, Oso and Justin?
Well, at least one of them since Shaka was recruiting Oso while at Texas.