I have noticed that their is suddenly some tickets available on the secondary market (STUBHUB, etc.) for the Maui games. I thought remaining tickets were coming available on August 7th but apparently people are securing tickets somewhere now. I wasn't able to get into the Marquette Travel group so I am on the open market. I picked up a pair of tickets for the first Marquette Game but MU could be playing their final 2 games in any of 6 potential time slots after day one (November 20th). Do I just wait for the end of the day one games and search the sites for open tickets? Does anyone have experience with prior years in this regard?
How much you spend for a pair?
I think tons of people are in the same boat and need tickets. I will try and secure some August 7 but also if not im sure u can always pay up at the door with scalpers worst case
I just bought a pair on seat geek for $520 for the pair including fees.
Quote from: Jay Bee on July 26, 2023, 11:01:00 AM
How much you spend for a pair?
Paid $530/TICKET for decent side court seats. Seems like the current going rate for round One!
My sister has a friend who lives in Maui...the tickets to locals went on sale today...for what it is worth the ticket website says the following:
Ticket only packages go onsale August 8, 2023 10am HST/1pm PST
I have not seen this info released publicly...so set your alarms.
Quote from: mu_eyeballs on July 28, 2023, 06:05:50 PM
My sister has a friend who lives in Maui...the tickets to locals went on sale today...for what it is worth the ticket website says the following:
Ticket only packages go onsale August 8, 2023 10am HST/1pm PST
I have not seen this info released publicly...so set your alarms.
Can I like spoof being a local and buy today?!?!
Quote from: Jay Bee on July 29, 2023, 04:15:05 PM
Can I like spoof being a local and buy today?!?!
I am in Hawaii now. Send me your order. $1500 surcharge
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on July 29, 2023, 06:49:12 PM
I am in Hawaii now. Send me your order. $1500 surcharge
Might actually be worth it
Quote from: Jay Bee on July 29, 2023, 04:15:05 PM
Can I like spoof being a local and buy today?!?!
Zip code to get into on site...billing zip on CC to complete transaction.
What is the face value of an all session pass?
Quote from: DarkWarrior on July 29, 2023, 10:22:03 PM
What is the face value of an all session pass?
I only looked at a one day Monday pass.. $280 all session ... $110 game 4 only. So, if 280 a day, $840 would be face for all session, all day
Is SeatGeek legit? It says they have passes for all Marquette games for sale
https://seatgeek.com/maui-invitational-marquette-3-day-pass-tickets/ncaa-basketball/2023-11-20-3-30-am/6009288
Thoughts?
Quote from: mu_eyeballs on July 28, 2023, 06:05:50 PM
My sister has a friend who lives in Maui...the tickets to locals went on sale today...for what it is worth the ticket website says the following:
Ticket only packages go onsale August 8, 2023 10am HST/1pm PST
I have not seen this info released publicly...so set your alarms.
does anyone have the link where it says this? I can't seem to find it
Quote from: Marquette4life on August 07, 2023, 08:55:53 AM
does anyone have the link where it says this? I can't seem to find it
If you clicked through w a Maui zip code, it displayed this info
Quote from: Jay Bee on August 07, 2023, 09:15:28 AM
If you clicked through w a Maui zip code, it displayed this info
do you have the link for the official ticket website so I can be ready tomorrow? Much appreciated
Aloha!
The countdown to the 2023 Maui Jim Maui Invitational is on!
Fans will have the opportunity to secure ticket-only packages for the Tournament starting Aug. 8th at 3:00 P.M CST (10:00 A.M HST) at mauiinvitaional.com.
Due to the high demand for the Tournament, Ticket-Only packages will be extremely limited. Fans should expect to have availability for Syracuse, Tennessee, UCLA, and Chaminade. Tickets buyers are only allowed six tickets per purchaser.
Fans can also register for the HMSA Sun, Surf, and Hoops 5k and the Maui Jim Golf Classic on Tuesday, Aug. 8th.
For additional information on Ticket-Only packages or other Tournament-related events, please visit mauiinvitational.com. If you have general inquiries about the Tournament, please email info@mauiinvitational.com.
Based on my post above it doesn't seem promising that MU tickets will even be available.
I also got an email today offering limited availability of full tournament packages. I clicked through and the price of a room for two adults with an "all tournament ticket package" was $6k. Yikes! That's more than double a Costco package plus car plus flight.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on August 07, 2023, 12:38:18 PM
Based on my post above it doesn't seem promising that MU tickets will even be available.
I also got an email today offering limited availability of full tournament packages. I clicked through and the price of a room for two adults with an "all tournament ticket package" was $6k. Yikes! That's more than double a Costco package plus car plus flight.
Buy the UCLA single game
Quote from: 79Warrior on August 07, 2023, 03:43:57 PM
Buy the UCLA single game
not so sure they will even offer that. Have a feeling its going to be ticket packages for all 3 games
Quote from: 79Warrior on August 07, 2023, 03:43:57 PM
Buy the UCLA single game
Unavailable. All UCLA or nothing. Single game tickets available in limited quantities 5 days before the tourney. Russian roulette.
Due to the high demand for the Tournament, remaining Ticket-Only packages will be extremely limited. Fans should expect to only have availability to ticket packages for Syracuse, Tennessee, UCLA, and Chaminade. Buyers are only allowed six tickets per purchaser. Gonzaga, Kansas, Marquette, and Purdue tickets were sold out during the travel package on sale, and we are expecting no additional inventory to be available for ticket-only packages. If you are looking for single game tickets, fans can purchase those in person starting November 17th at the Lahaina Civic Center box office. Please note, Tournament tickets are on a delayed digital delivery and fans can expect to see their mobile tickets in their digital accounts in early October.
Just noticed that all third party sites are now basically sold out for marquette vs ucla for now
Booster tickets available - as expected no MU.
If any 'cuse or UCLA fans out there, go gettem.
I was able to secure Marquette All Session tickets via SEATGEEK. They were not inexpensive. Best of luck to all in securing tickets!
Sounds like much of downtown Lahaina burned down from a wildfire. With the gym being up the mountain a bit, I'd be shocked if it sustained no damage, if its still there.
Just terrible. I've been going there since I was a kid. So many memories. Just awful news.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on August 09, 2023, 08:27:23 AM
Sounds like much of downtown Lahaina burned down from a wildfire. With the gym being up the mountain a bit, I'd be shocked if it sustained no damage, if its still there.
Just terrible. I've been going there since I was a kid. So many memories. Just awful news.
Awful situation. There's no way the hospital or two in Maui can handle these burn victims. Horrible and they still have no power.
So last year Ft. Myers gets decimated by a hurricane and this year Lahaina burns down? We bring some awful luck wherever we're assigned for Thanksgiving
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on August 09, 2023, 08:27:23 AM
Sounds like much of downtown Lahaina burned down from a wildfire. With the gym being up the mountain a bit, I'd be shocked if it sustained no damage, if its still there.
Just terrible. I've been going there since I was a kid. So many memories. Just awful news.
I had lunch in Lahaina on Friday. Awful to see this.
Hopefully they can get this under control, and everyone is safe. The civic center is a couple of miles north of Front St, and don't recall there being much combustible around it, but with 80mph winds anything is possible. IIRC correctly, the civic center is next to a fire station, which doesnt really matter given how stretched firefighters are, but I think that area in general will be well protected. Mother nature may have other plans though.
Will be interesting to see what everything looks like in November. Assuming everything is sorted out by then, one thing I'm sure of, for those of us going, starting making dinner reservations now. Seems crass to even say given what's going on there, but with everything on Front St likely gone, the restaurant availability is going to be crazy.
Quote from: Hallmarq on August 09, 2023, 09:09:31 AM
Hopefully they can get this under control, and everyone is safe. The civic center is a couple of miles north of Front St, and don't recall there being much combustible around it, but with 80mph winds anything is possible. IIRC correctly, the civic center is next to a fire station, which doesnt really matter given how stretched firefighters are, but I think that area in general will be well protected. Mother nature may have other plans though.
Will be interesting to see what everything looks like in November. Assuming everything is sorted out by then, one thing I'm sure of, for those of us going, starting making dinner reservations now. Seems crass to even say given what's going on there, but with everything on Front St likely gone, the restaurant availability is going to be crazy.
Hyatt is in evacuation zone. Fire is impacting Kaanapali too. Front Street is gowne.
Tragic.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CvuKvt7NNSk/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==
Where does this tourney get moved to?
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 09, 2023, 08:37:10 AM
So last year Ft. Myers gets decimated by a hurricane and this year Lahaina burns down? We bring some awful luck wherever we're assigned for Thanksgiving
Mother Nature hates Marquette
Still no word on the civic center, but news release from the invitational was released. As it's just after 730a local time, suspect we will know more in the next few hours, but seems like total devastation.
https://thespun.com/more/top-stories/maui-invitational-is-praying-for-hawaii-during-terrifying-fires
https://twitter.com/BraxBanksOKWX/status/1689340763128123393?t=neik0lKiKA83wFX8nE0Obw&s=19
Absolutely heartbreaking.
It does not look good for the Lahaina civic center
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on August 09, 2023, 01:51:20 PM
https://twitter.com/BraxBanksOKWX/status/1689340763128123393?t=neik0lKiKA83wFX8nE0Obw&s=19
At 2:10 in the video, the Lahaina Civic Center briefly comes into view in the lower left of the screen; the pilot then turns right and flies over it, so it's difficult to tell the extent of any damage there, but it - and the courthouse to the left of it - at least look to be intact. But even if the LCC is operable, there's no way they're holding the tournament in Maui in 100 days. Lahaina has been leveled and infrastructure destroyed.
"But Benny, they could just bring in temporary services/infrastructure."
You should be slapped, and quit whining. It's not just the fact that thousands of residents - more specifically, WEST MAUI's WORKFORCE - have been displaced, MOST of the residents have been displaced indefinitely. Remember that almost 45% of New Orleans' population (proper, not metro) was able to return after Katrina... corruption aside, they still struggled to rebuild. Just a guess, but I'd be willing to bet more than 75%, if not closer to 90% of Lahaina's population isn't returning anytime soon... not to mention, unlike a hurricane, there's no hope of letting things dry out (and salvaging what you can) after a fire.
Quote from: Jay Bee on August 09, 2023, 10:05:01 AM
Where does this tourney get moved to?
Two years ago it was in Vegas.
Was just there a couple years ago. So sad. In this particular situation, a hurricane several hundred miles south of the islands whipped up strong winds that contributed to the problem. The photos and videos are devastating.
Maui has been experiencing drought conditions, exacerbated by global warming. Even paradise isn't immune.
Quote from: Benny B on August 09, 2023, 03:41:35 PM
At 2:10 in the video, the Lahaina Civic Center briefly comes into view in the lower left of the screen; the pilot then turns right and flies over it, so it's difficult to tell the extent of any damage there, but it - and the courthouse to the left of it - at least look to be intact. But even if the LCC is operable, there's no way they're holding the tournament in Maui in 100 days. Lahaina has been leveled and infrastructure destroyed.
"But Benny, they could just bring in temporary services/infrastructure."
You should be slapped, and quit whining. It's not just the fact that thousands of residents - more specifically, WEST MAUI's WORKFORCE - have been displaced, MOST of the residents have been displaced indefinitely. Remember that almost 45% of New Orleans' population (proper, not metro) was able to return after Katrina... corruption aside, they still struggled to rebuild. Just a guess, but I'd be willing to bet more than 75%, if not closer to 90% of Lahaina's population isn't returning anytime soon... not to mention, unlike a hurricane, there's no hope of letting things dry out (and salvaging what you can) after a fire.
You may be right, but much of Lahaina's workforce doesn't actually live in Lahaina. It's a very expensive place to live - the median rent of a one-bedroom apartment is $2,750; median cost of a home is $990K - and is out of the range of most service-industry workers. Most live more inland/upcountry, which appears so far much less affected by the fires.
And while Lahaina is a tourist destination, it's not a place where many tourists stay. And by all accounts, those places - Kaanapali, Kapalua, Kahana, Napili, Wailea, Kihei, etc. - seem to have avoided the worst of this so far. So I don't expect there will be a lack of places for tournament attendees to stay.
I think a bigger issue is whether people leave the island for employment elsewhere, because (as you note), those jobs in Lahaina aren't returning anytime soon. But
maybe a pandemic-style unemployment program keeps people around while they rebuild.
I'm not sure the Katrina analogy is a good one. The reality is many of those people didn't return to New Orleans because they had nothing to return to. There were no jobs, homes weren't going to be rebuilt in flood zones, the 9th Ward, etc. I doubt that's the case on Maui. The tourists aren't going to stop coming, so there's incentive to rebuild Lahaina. And, as we've established, much if not most of the workforce lives outside the town, and haven't lost their homes.
I really do believe they will do their best to make the tournament happen, seeing it as a much-needed shot in the arm. It may be that they ultimately decide it can't be done, but I don't think it'll be because of the lack of a workforce or places for people to stay. I suspect it would have more to do with the infrastructure in and around the civic center.
Quote from: Pakuni on August 09, 2023, 04:11:25 PM
And while Lahaina is a tourist destination, it's not a place where many tourists stay. And by all accounts, those places - Kaanapali, Kapalua, Kahana, Napili, Wailea, Kihei, etc. - seem to have avoided the worst of this so far. So I don't expect there will be a lack of places for tournament attendees to stay.
I really do believe they will do their best to make the tournament happen, seeing it as a much-needed shot in the arm. It may be that they ultimately decide it can't be done, but I don't think it'll be because of the lack of a workforce or places for people to stay.
Wat
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Quote from: Miss Katie's on August 09, 2023, 03:58:33 PM
Two years ago it was in Vegas.
Short notice COVID was Asheville
Much Of Historic Lahaina Town Believed Destroyed By Overwhelming Fire
https://www.civilbeat.org/2023/08/much-of-historic-lahaina-town-believed-destroyed-by-overwhelming-fire/
As much as I have been looking forward to my trip to Maui for the tournament, right now it seems more like time to take a pause and say a prayer for those that are losing their homes and in some cases their lives.
I am sure the tournament will find a home in Maui or somewhere. Far too big of an event opportunity at this point to be simply be terminated. I will do my best to follow it to wherever it goes!
At least 36 dead now, and much of Lahaina burned to the ground. But officials are now saying fire has been "contained."
If they can't hold the tournament at the Lahaina Civic Center, is there anywhere else on the island that makes sense? Or elsewhere in Hawaii?
Quote from: SaveOD238 on August 10, 2023, 08:19:35 AM
If they can't hold the tournament at the Lahaina Civic Center, is there anywhere else on the island that makes sense? Or elsewhere in Hawaii?
The only other possibility would be at the University of Hawaii.
https://mauiinvitational.com/splash.aspx?id=splash_18
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 10, 2023, 08:23:33 AM
The only other possibility would be at the University of Hawaii.
Chaminade's gym actually holds a bit more than the LCC. The question to solve are Waikiki room blocks and air travel on short notice and on a holiday week.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on August 10, 2023, 11:03:44 AM
Chaminade's gym actually holds a bit more than the LCC. The question to solve are Waikiki room blocks and air travel on short notice and on a holiday week.
Actually in Honolulu, there is also the Blaisdell Arena. https://blaisdellcenter.com/venues/the-arena/ It is where the UH team used to play before the on campus arena was built. But as noted, hotels may be an issue.
Quote from: pbiflyer on August 10, 2023, 12:54:10 PM
Actually in Honolulu, there is also the Blaisdell Arena. https://blaisdellcenter.com/venues/the-arena/ It is where the UH team used to play before the on campus arena was built. But as noted, hotels may be an issue.
Closed for construction until the end of November but maybe they can accelerate that. Bigger venue and maybe they can create a fundraiser for those impacted.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on August 10, 2023, 01:33:49 PM
Closed for construction until the end of November but maybe they can accelerate that. Bigger venue and maybe they can create a fundraiser for those impacted.
This is significantly worse than I imagined. Some of the eyewitness accounts are truly unbelievable.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 10, 2023, 01:53:57 PM
This is significantly worse than I imagined. Some of the eyewitness accounts are truly unbelievable.
I'm colored by the fact I've been to Maui 3 times and was just there last spring but IMO this is the worst disaster of my lifetime. I can't recall such carnage. Obviously Katrina comes to mind but for some reason this feels worse. It has been very hard to watch. I love Maui so much and am always so grateful whenever we have been able to go. This is devastating.
Don't fret, Pakuni says it's no big deal. Play on.
Quote from: Jay Bee on August 10, 2023, 04:31:36 PM
Don't fret, Pakuni says it's no big deal. Play on.
Yes. That's exactly what I wrote.
Quote from: The Lens on August 10, 2023, 04:19:00 PM
I'm colored by the fact I've been to Maui 3 times and was just there last spring but IMO this is the worst disaster of my lifetime. I can't recall such carnage. Obviously Katrina comes to mind but for some reason this feels worse. It has been very hard to watch. I love Maui so much and am always so grateful whenever we have been able to go. This is devastating.
Maybe Oprah will open up her driveway and home in Kula? The fact that this happened so quickly made it basically impossible for the fire departments to do anything. It's terribly sad and getting resources there is going to be extremely difficult. I have a very close friend on the Big Island and they evacuated his little subdivision but it seems as though things will be okay in this small area. There's some serious money on Maui so hopefully they chip in big and it goes to the people who desperately need it.
Garry Parrish on the Lahaina Civic Center and the tournament:
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/hawaii-wildfires-devastate-area-around-lahaina-civic-center-and-home-of-maui-invitational-wont-be-the-same/
Includes this paragraph:
From the sky, it looks unbelievable. From the ground, it looks terrifying. Who knows if it'll ever look the same again? The before-and-after pictures are saddening. Fortunately, the Lahaina Civic Center, that 2,400-seat, five-decade-old building with an iconic mural behind one basket, remains intact even if it did reportedly have to be evacuated after earlier serving as an evacuation center. The fires got very close to the home of the Maui Invitational but do not appear to have done any notable damage. At least not yet.
Quote from: The Lens on August 10, 2023, 04:19:00 PM
I'm colored by the fact I've been to Maui 3 times and was just there last spring but IMO this is the worst disaster of my lifetime. I can't recall such carnage. Obviously Katrina comes to mind but for some reason this feels worse. It has been very hard to watch. I love Maui so much and am always so grateful whenever we have been able to go. This is devastating.
This is a strange and obtuse post.
What has hapoened in Maui is very sad, tragic, and devastating for may.
Natural disasters aren't a compare and contrast contest. 1400 people died in Katrina for example.
There is a long list of many other bad natural disasters too. None are good and they don't really need to be compared or ranked.
Quote from: shoothoops on August 11, 2023, 10:34:10 AM
This is a strange and obtuse post.
What has hapoened in Maui is very sad, tragic, and devastating for may.
Natural disasters aren't a compare and contrast contest. 1400 people died in Katrina for example.
There is a long list of many other bad natural disasters too. None are good and they don't really need to be compared or ranked.
I did not mean to offend anyone, nor did I intend to even rank, though I certainly did.
My feelings are just a gut reaction from seeing an entire town (which obviously is smaller than most) get completely inniliated. I would imagine people who frequent Fort Myers felt the same last year. For whatever reason this fire has shaken me. That is to take nothing away from other disasters, it's just left a big impression on me. Probably bc of great memories of being there and times that with my wife and kids that mean so much. That's it. Sorry.
Quote from: The Lens on August 11, 2023, 10:43:05 AM
I did not mean to offend anyone, nor did I intend to even rank, though I certainly did.
My feelings are just a gut reaction from seeing an entire town (which obviously is smaller than most) get completely inniliated. I would imagine people who frequent Fort Myers felt the same last year. For whatever reason this fire has shaken me. That is to take nothing away from other disasters, it's just left a big impression on me. Probably bc of great memories of being there and times that with my wife and kids that mean so much. That's it. Sorry.
Fair enough. Better said.
One of the better growth opportunities in life is being able to relate to people, places and things that one doesn't necessarily get to experience first hand. And it's necessary as we can't get possibly get to every place, and we can't meet everyone. (although I have certainly tried) You'd find more similarities than differences in many of these situations. Lots of great, people, cultures, and places are out there.
The Hawaiian islands are some of my favorite places to be too. Great people, great culture, great landscape. Thankfully my loved ones who live there did not get hurt or injured. Others unfortunately weren't so lucky. I feel for everyone there.
We lived in Hawaii when cat 5 hurricane Iniki hit. Very little notice as it turned in the middle of the night. Living on the 33rd floor a block from the ocean, we evacuated to the Blaisdell Center, as Iniki was tracking toward Oahu. It jogged to Kauai hours before landfall. The effects on Kauai was devastating with a30 Ft storm surge.
The isolation of the islands is stunning. It took days to get supplies to Oahu, even though we had mild impact. Kauai was way worse.
Maui will be even harder as it is more built up than Kauai was at the time.
I can't imagine the devastation and the sheer volume of work it is going to take to recover.
BTW, I do except the Hawaiian attitude on recovery will be much like my MU friend who lives in New Orleans. When I called to check on him after Katrina, he said, well, on the bright side, my pool is now 16 feet deep.
Quote from: pbiflyer on August 11, 2023, 08:57:50 PM
We lived in Hawaii when cat 5 hurricane Iniki hit. Very little notice as it turned in the middle of the night. Living on the 33rd floor a block from the ocean, we evacuated to the Blaisdell Center, as Iniki was tracking toward Oahu. It jogged to Kauai hours before landfall. The effects on Kauai was devastating with a30 Ft storm surge.
The isolation of the islands is stunning. It took days to get supplies to Oahu, even though we had mild impact. Kauai was way worse.
Maui will be even harder as it is more built up than Kauai was at the time.
I can't imagine the devastation and the sheer volume of work it is going to take to recover.
BTW, I do except the Hawaiian attitude on recovery will be much like my MU friend who lives in New Orleans. When I called to check on him after Katrina, he said, well, on the bright side, my pool is now 16 feet deep.
They will rebuild the town but this is horrific beyond anything I possibly imagined. There are at least 1000 people unaccounted for and perhaps many that drowned jumping into the ocean. The speed with which this fire destroyed everything in its path is beyond comprehension.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 11, 2023, 09:48:31 PM
They will rebuild the town but this is horrific beyond anything I possibly imagined. There are at least 1000 people unaccounted for and perhaps many that drowned jumping into the ocean. The speed with which this fire destroyed everything in its path is beyond comprehension.
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/ncaa-basketball/news/maui-invitational-2023-lahaina-fires-updates-basketball/gmn4ap4pvl2a5neanalv0gnu
I think that there is a decent chance that the tournament will be relocated stateside.
The company that runs the tournament, Kemper Sports, is based in Chicago, so they have no particular affinity to Maui or Hawaii. Even if they find a place to play other than the original venue in Maui, many of the hotel rooms where fans were going to stay are either gone or uninhabitable. There's a good chance the transportation systems (roads, airports, rental car places) won't be back to normal by tournament time. Nearly everyone involved is going to have to change their plans one way or the other.
The lineup for this tourney is arguably the best in Thanksgiving tournament history. If you are really trying hard to find the slimmest of silver linings here, they could move it to a place in the continental US where they could sell a lot more tickets. That week tends to be dead as far as scheduled events go. My guess is there are plenty of places that have availability.
I'm thinking (hoping) there's far greater than a decent chance of it coming stateside. Only question is if they go the "Easy route", say Vegas, or does something a bit more unconventional come up?
Jupiter Fl just finished a brand new community gym. Just saying....
Quote from: warriorchick on August 12, 2023, 10:16:17 AM
I think that there is a decent chance that the tournament will be relocated stateside.
The company that runs the tournament, Kemper Sports, is based in Chicago, so they have no particular affinity to Maui or Hawaii. Even if they find a place to play other than the original venue in Maui, many of the hotel rooms where fans were going to stay are either gone or uninhabitable. There's a good chance the transportation systems (roads, airports, rental car places) won't be back to normal by tournament time. Nearly everyone involved is going to have to change their plans one way or the other.
The lineup for this tourney is arguably the best in Thanksgiving tournament history. If you are really trying hard to find the slimmest of silver linings here, they could move it to a place in the continental US where they could sell a lot more tickets. That week tends to be dead as far as scheduled events go. My guess is there are plenty of places that have availability.
They should pick a venue that does not give one of the teams a "home court" advantage and make it a charity event for Maui.
I think Vegas would be too much a home court for UCLA and/or even Gonzaga.
Quote from: Jay Bee on August 12, 2023, 10:32:35 AM
I'm thinking (hoping) there's far greater than a decent chance of it coming stateside. Only question is if they go the "Easy route", say Vegas, or does something a bit more unconventional come up?
...like Milwaukee with its pristine beaches.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on August 12, 2023, 10:48:52 AM
They should pick a venue that does not give one of the teams a "home court" advantage and make it a charity event for Maui.
I think Vegas would be too much a home court for UCLA and/or even Gonzaga.
If they play at T Mobile in Vegas with 18K sold out and a healthy percentage goes to Maui charity, I'd get over the ucla / zags home court.
I would hope that whatever is done the proceeds will go to Maui. They convert a ballroom at Atlantis. Can they not find something on Oahu?
Quote from: warriorchick on August 12, 2023, 10:16:17 AM
I think that there is a decent chance that the tournament will be relocated stateside.
The company that runs the tournament, Kemper Sports, is based in Chicago, so they have no particular affinity to Maui or Hawaii. Even if they find a place to play other than the original venue in Maui, many of the hotel rooms where fans were going to stay are either gone or uninhabitable. There's a good chance the transportation systems (roads, airports, rental car places) won't be back to normal by tournament time. Nearly everyone involved is going to have to change their plans one way or the other.
The lineup for this tourney is arguably the best in Thanksgiving tournament history. If you are really trying hard to find the slimmest of silver linings here, they could move it to a place in the continental US where they could sell a lot more tickets. That week tends to be dead as far as scheduled events go. My guess is there are plenty of places that have availability.
Based on Chicago you say?
Is the UC open that week?
Quote from: shoothoops on August 11, 2023, 10:34:10 AM
This is a strange and obtuse post.
What has hapoened in Maui is very sad, tragic, and devastating for may.
Natural disasters aren't a compare and contrast contest. 1400 people died in Katrina for example.
There is a long list of many other bad natural disasters too. None are good and they don't really need to be compared or ranked.
harsh, buddy. I mean, come on.
With the event being held stateside twice in recent history, and once in Vegas, it would make sense that Vegas is an easy option as long as there is an open venue.
Accommodations are plentiful and Vegas is always looking to add tourism and high profile events.
Selfishly, now knowing that a Chicago based event runs the show, it would be awesome if they held it in Chicago.
The United Center currently has nothing scheduled on those days, but NBA schedule gets released next week so the Bulls are in play.
Allstate in Rosemont looks open (17,500) and Wintrust (10k) could be alternative options with more affordable rent/fees.
Either way, Kemper can slap its name on a few things and really push a marketing/donation campaign that will really benefit those residents in Lahaina that really need all the good will they can get.
Quote from: DoctorV on August 12, 2023, 01:21:00 PM
With the event being held stateside twice in recent history, and once in Vegas, it would make sense that Vegas is an easy option as long as there is an open venue.
Accommodations are plentiful and Vegas is always looking to add tourism and high profile events.
Selfishly, now knowing that a Chicago based event runs the show, it would be awesome if they held it in Chicago.
The United Center currently has nothing scheduled on those days, but NBA schedule gets released next week so the Bulls are in play.
Allstate in Rosemont looks open (17,500) and Wintrust (10k) could be alternative options with more affordable rent/fees.
Either way, Kemper can slap its name on a few things and really push a marketing/donation campaign that will really benefit those residents in Lahaina that really need all the good will they can get.
I doubt they move it to Wintrust since it's one of our homecourts.
Quote from: warriorchick on August 12, 2023, 10:16:17 AM
I think that there is a decent chance that the tournament will be relocated stateside.
The company that runs the tournament, Kemper Sports, is based in Chicago, so they have no particular affinity to Maui or Hawaii. Even if they find a place to play other than the original venue in Maui, many of the hotel rooms where fans were going to stay are either gone or uninhabitable. There's a good chance the transportation systems (roads, airports, rental car places) won't be back to normal by tournament time. Nearly everyone involved is going to have to change their plans one way or the other.
The lineup for this tourney is arguably the best in Thanksgiving tournament history. If you are really trying hard to find the slimmest of silver linings here, they could move it to a place in the continental US where they could sell a lot more tickets. That week tends to be dead as far as scheduled events go. My guess is there are plenty of places that have availability.
Not sure you are correct. Most hotels there survived and will be ok. There is one main airport in Maui and it is fully operational. The destruction unfortunately was centered in Lahaina, which has a handful of hotels. The major resorts in the rest of the island are ok.
Quote from: Jay Bee on August 12, 2023, 10:32:35 AM
I'm thinking (hoping) there's far greater than a decent chance of it coming stateside. Only question is if they go the "Easy route", say Vegas, or does something a bit more unconventional come up?
I would 100% support Vegas. Plenty of venues and the additional pressure on town wouldn't even move the needle.
Plus I will be in town then. ;D
Quote from: SaveOD238 on August 12, 2023, 12:54:23 PM
Based on Chicago you say?
Is the UC open that week?
I actually interviewed with them for a job awhile back. Walked into their reception area and saw a surfboard with Buzz Williams' autograph on it.
Every person I interviewed with asked me if I was okay with working serious amounts of overtime year round. I wasn't, so no second interview.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on August 12, 2023, 02:41:00 PM
I doubt they move it to Wintrust since it's one of our homecourts.
So what? Chaminade plays on a home court every year, and no one seems to care
Quote from: warriorchick on August 12, 2023, 03:17:00 PM
I would 100% support Vegas. Plenty of venues and the additional pressure on town wouldn't even move the needle.
Plus I will be in town then. ;D
That seems the most logical if they have to move it this year. You want a fun and warm place. It won't get moved to Chicago regardless of the Kemper involvement as mentioned here. Nothing more depressing for the teams than a late November tournament in the Midwest where it's getting cold and dreary. Especially when you thought you were going to Maui.
Vegas probably has no issue with hotel space and a venue that time of year too I'm guessing.
Quote from: warriorchick on August 12, 2023, 03:32:12 PM
So what? Chaminade plays on a home court every year, and no one seems to care
That's because they're Division 2 and probably haven't won a game in this tournament since beating Ralph Sampson and VA in '82.
So according to CNN Hawaii has the "largest outdoor alarm system in the world". It wasn't activated for some reason????? I've also heard that residents got phone alerts well after smoke was everywhere and could be seen for miles.
If I'm not mistaken 6-7 years ago there was a missile alert urging people to take cover immediately in Hawaii on every phone, television, and radio. 15 minutes later it was deemed a false alarm.
Quote from: Viper on August 12, 2023, 01:08:57 PM
harsh, buddy. I mean, come on.
The exchange speaks for itself. I have nothing else to add or change to previous exchange.
Quote from: warriorchick on August 12, 2023, 03:32:12 PM
So what? Chaminade plays on a home court every year, and no one seems to care
Chaminade is located in Honolulu, not Maui.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on August 12, 2023, 06:17:47 PM
Chaminade is located in Honolulu, not Maui.
And Marquette is in Milwaukee, not Chicago.
Quote from: warriorchick on August 12, 2023, 07:22:59 PM
And Marquette is in Milwaukee, not Chicago.
And Chicago is not Hoffman Estates, perhaps the worst Thanksgiving tournament off all time.
https://nypost.com/2023/08/12/historic-lahaina-church-stands-miraculously-untouched-by-maui-wildfires/
A separate collection at my parish mass this evening is going to Catholic charities to aid families in Lahaina.
If you have to move it, why not Honolulu so Hawai'i still gets the benefit.
If it comes to the mainland. I'd like Orlando!
Quote from: dgies9156 on August 12, 2023, 08:38:59 PM
If you have to move it, why not Honolulu so Hawai'i still gets the benefit.
If it comes to the mainland. I'd like Orlando!
Agreed Honolulu would be perfect.
This tourney can get 10k plus interested ppl, so don't limit it. Get the largest arena possible, capable of catering to an influx .. it's Vegas
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 12, 2023, 05:12:34 PM
So according to CNN Hawaii has the "largest outdoor alarm system in the world". It wasn't activated for some reason????? I've also heard that residents got phone alerts well after smoke was everywhere and could be seen for miles.
If I'm not mistaken 6-7 years ago there was a missile alert urging people to take cover immediately in Hawaii on every phone, television, and radio. 15 minutes later it was deemed a false alarm.
When the Boulder fire hit us in Colorado the other year, the wind accelerated the wild fire so fast, the emergency notifications were too late. The situation changed so rapidly that OEM was playing catch-up trying to alert people. The destruction was just too fast.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on August 12, 2023, 04:44:05 PM
That's because they're Division 2 and probably haven't won a game in this tournament since beating Ralph Sampson and VA in '82.
They beat Rick Barnes and Texas one year I remember. Not sure if they had any others.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on August 12, 2023, 10:21:06 PM
They beat Rick Barnes and Texas one year I remember. Not sure if they had any others.
They've had 8 total actually. I figured they had more than I was remembering but didn't expect more than 5.
And the VA win isn't actually counted as a tournament win. I don't think it was considered a tournament yet in '82.
Their last win was 2017 against Cal. Texas (good memory) was in 2012.
Quote from: Jay Bee on August 12, 2023, 09:20:11 PM
This tourney can get 10k plus interested ppl, so don't limit it. Get the largest arena possible, capable of catering to an influx .. it's Vegas
And some or all of the additional ticket sales could go to Maui disaster relief.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on August 12, 2023, 04:44:05 PM
That's because they're Division 2 and probably haven't won a game in this tournament since beating Ralph Sampson and VA in '82.
They've actually won 8 times in the tournament, most recently in 2017 when they beat Cal (Marquette took 3rd that year). The 1982 Virginia win wasn't part of the Maui Invitational, but helped lead to its creation.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on August 12, 2023, 09:17:26 PM
Agreed Honolulu would be perfect.
Short term rental restrictions lifted in Oahu to deal with the housing shortage in Maui.
https://www.staradvertiser.com/2023/08/11/breaking-news/oahu-suspends-short-term-rental-laws-to-aid-wildfire-victims/amp/
Quote from: MileHigh on August 12, 2023, 09:26:01 PM
When the Boulder fire hit us in Colorado the other year, the wind accelerated the wild fire so fast, the emergency notifications were too late. The situation changed so rapidly that OEM was playing catch-up trying to alert people. The destruction was just too fast.
I'm just surprised it apparently didn't go off at all. It spread so fast but maybe it could have gotten people out of there more quickly. I dunno.
Quote from: Jay Bee on August 12, 2023, 10:32:35 AM
I'm thinking (hoping) there's far greater than a decent chance of it coming stateside. Only question is if they go the "Easy route", say Vegas, or does something a bit more unconventional come up?
How bout the Al?
Quote from: Coleman on August 14, 2023, 01:07:23 PM
How bout the Al?
There are no food options on campus, so this is a no go.
Quote from: Jay Bee on August 14, 2023, 01:31:23 PM
There are no food options on campus, so this is a no go.
Not to mention, downtown Milwaukee is WAY more dangerous than trying to play on the ashes of Lahaina.
Selfishly I nominate San Antonio.
I'm ok with just about anywhere, as long as it's in a larger arena. Feels like half the fans will travel well; and I'd like to not spend $3k+ per game tickets
Maybe an aircraft carrier tournament
Had heard that in past when not able to be in Maui, it was in Las Vegas and North Carolina. Well, you can guess my bias.
Quote from: withoutbias on August 14, 2023, 02:39:33 PM
Not to mention, downtown Milwaukee is WAY more dangerous than trying to play on the ashes of Lahaina.
Wow! Marquette should move out of Milwaukee to Lahaina and be part of the towns rebuilding effort and host the Maui Invitational every year. I'm sure all the Beast teams would not mind flying to Maui every year either and what a boon for recruiting.
Quote from: withoutbias on August 14, 2023, 02:39:33 PM
Not to mention, downtown Milwaukee is WAY more dangerous than trying to play on the ashes of Lahaina.
How about the campus of Cardinal Stritch? Isn't MU moving there?
This could be a serious uh-oh situation for Hawaiian Electric. The early reports on their potential culpability are not good.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 17, 2023, 09:00:40 AM
This could be a serious uh-oh situation for Hawaiian Electric. The early reports on their potential culpability are not good.
They were in a tough spot. Apparently the water pumps in Lahaina need power to run. At least that is what was said in a presser by the utility yesterday.
We've been watching Hawaii News Now* via their app on AppleTV and there is some major damage control going on. Maui Emergency services is trying to say the sirens are for Tsunamis and sounding them would have induced residents to run inland (towards the fire) but residents and other leaders are not buying it. It's a terrible situtaion.
*Hawaii News Now is a news department shared by three television stations in Honolulu, Hawaii: CBS affiliate KGMB, NBC affiliate KHNL, and Telemundo affiliate KFVE.
Quote from: The Lens on August 17, 2023, 09:32:12 AM
We've been watching Hawaii News Now* via their app on AppleTV and there is some major damage control going on. Maui Emergency services is trying to say the sirens are for Tsunamis and sounding them would have induced residents to run inland (towards the fire) but residents and other leaders are not buying it. It's a terrible situtaion.
*Hawaii News Now is a news department shared by three television stations in Honolulu, Hawaii: CBS affiliate KGMB, NBC affiliate KHNL, and Telemundo affiliate KFVE.
They're not buying that the sirens are only meant for tsunami warning?
Or, not buying that residents would have sought higher ground after hearing the tsunami warning but knowing it was a wildfire?
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on August 17, 2023, 10:10:35 AM
They're not buying that the sirens are only meant for tsunami warning?
Or, not buying that residents would have sought higher ground after hearing the tsunami warning but knowing it was a wildfire?
Curious too.
Also electric utilities always get a lot of heat (see CO and CA), but they'd get more if they just shut power down during high winds. Lose, lose.
Hearing the gym and resorts are not damaged. The goal is to continue the event at the same gym and to make the teams involved a major fundraising effort for the people in Maui.
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on August 18, 2023, 08:35:33 AM
Hearing the gym and resorts are not damaged. The goal is to continue the event at the same gym and to make the teams involved a major fundraising effort for the people in Maui.
Some of the major resorts have been assiting getting non Hawaiian employees off the island so that relief workers and those who have lost homes can stay on the property. It will be interesting to see how they re-staff up. Currently the big Maui resorts have waived cancellation fees through September 15th.
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on August 18, 2023, 08:35:33 AM
Hearing the gym and resorts are not damaged. The goal is to continue the event at the same gym and to make the teams involved a major fundraising effort for the people in Maui.
Here's the problem: Where are you going to put the fans and teams (assuming emergency workers are in hotels and resorts), is there enough supplies and what's the PR effect of having a frivolous basketball tournament as Hawaii rebuilds.
It's a crazy idea to have the tournament in a city that looks like Berlin in 1945. The people are suffering, the infrastructure is suspect and we still have hundreds of missing people.
Here's another idea: Have the tournament in Honolulu. Pledge the profits from the tournament and the profits from the fans and the hotel stays to Maui Rebuilds. Each team then commits to coming back to a stronger Maui at the first available chance.
Quote from: dgies9156 on August 18, 2023, 09:02:10 AM
Here's the problem: Where are you going to put the fans and teams (assuming emergency workers are in hotels and resorts), is there enough supplies and what's the PR effect of having a frivolous basketball tournament as Hawaii rebuilds.
It's a crazy idea to have the tournament in a city that looks like Berlin in 1945. The people are suffering, the infrastructure is suspect and we still have hundreds of missing people.
Here's another idea: Have the tournament in Honolulu. Pledge the profits from the tournament and the profits from the fans and the hotel stays to Maui Rebuilds. Each team then commits to coming back to a stronger Maui at the first available chance.
Ten days after 9/11, the Mets played a home game; 4 days later, the Yankees did. You could still see smoke and smell the putrid odor from Ground Zero.
It seemed almost absurd to hold something as trivial as baseball games. But they were looked at as a way to heal a deeply wounded city, and games were used to raise money for victim's families and other altruistic causes.
I'm not saying they should do similar in Maui, because I don't know how it would play there for the locals. Just saying it's certainly not unprecedented.
Quote from: MU82 on August 18, 2023, 09:14:41 AM
Ten days after 9/11, the Mets played a home game; 4 days later, the Yankees did. You could still see smoke and smell the putrid odor from Ground Zero.
It seemed almost absurd to hold something as trivial as baseball games. But they were looked at as a way to heal a deeply wounded city, and games were used to raise money for victim's families and other altruistic causes.
I'm not saying they should do similar in Maui, because I don't know how it would play there for the locals. Just saying it's certainly not unprecedented.
Yeah but the difference is that 99.9% of NYC's infrastructure was still intact, and there were working hotels, grocery stores, restaurants, hospitals, etc.
We're going to hear the Fort Myers example a lot but FLA is used to reloading post Hurricanes, Maui is not psychologically conditioned for this.
My money is on Vegas.
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on August 18, 2023, 08:35:33 AM
Hearing the gym and resorts are not damaged. The goal is to continue the event at the same gym and to make the teams involved a major fundraising effort for the people in Maui.
That would be a tone deaf move. 12,000 residents were displaced or killed (with a 1000+ unaccounted for), and every Lahaina restaurant closed/burned down. Locals are very upset at tourists who are acting entitled and at the slowness of FEMA getting supplies in. The Governor has declared West Maui as a tourist exclusionary zone. Key local government officials are getting fired due their performance.The other tourist zones are laying off employees as tourist cancel.
FEMA has secured thousands of Kaanapali resort rooms and AirBnBs for 38+ weeks plus for displaced families, FEMA workers and for reconstruction crews. All the Lahaina rental/hotel inventory is destroyed or damaged (mine). Let's throw in a basketball tournament in one of the last remaining buildings in 10 weeks to further upset grieving and recovery.
They can do the fundraising elsewhere.
Pakuni & Nielson both poo-poo'ing the severity of the damage. I still can't imagine holding the tourney there. Seems bonkers, but it's a crazy world we live in.
Hoping we have a good alternative site known fairly soon.
Lol. Not sure when I was poo-poo'ing the severity of the damage. Guess some hear what they want to hear.
Quote from: dgies9156 on August 18, 2023, 09:02:10 AM
Here's the problem: Where are you going to put the fans and teams (assuming emergency workers are in hotels and resorts), is there enough supplies and what's the PR effect of having a frivolous basketball tournament as Hawaii rebuilds.
It's a crazy idea to have the tournament in a city that looks like Berlin in 1945. The people are suffering, the infrastructure is suspect and we still have hundreds of missing people.
Here's another idea: Have the tournament in Honolulu. Pledge the profits from the tournament and the profits from the fans and the hotel stays to Maui Rebuilds. Each team then commits to coming back to a stronger Maui at the first available chance.
Y'all realize that last year Marquette played in a basketball tournament in Fort Myers less than two months after Hurricane Ian right?
Well if they moved it to Vegas for example scoopers would have a much larger ticket supply to buy from.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on August 18, 2023, 11:57:26 AM
Y'all realize that last year Marquette played in a basketball tournament in Fort Myers less than two months after Hurricane Ian right?
So not the same thing
Quote from: Jay Bee on August 18, 2023, 12:02:00 PM
So not the same thing
You might be right, but I remember the exact same "there is no way we can hold it there" type comments being said then.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on August 18, 2023, 12:16:56 PM
You might be right, but I remember the exact same "there is no way we can hold it there" type comments being said then.
Floridians are used to the process. There's no road map for what Maui is dealing with, at least in terms of the individuals. They're processing this for the first time.
Quote from: Coleman on August 18, 2023, 09:21:10 AM
Yeah but the difference is that 99.9% of NYC's infrastructure was still intact, and there were working hotels, grocery stores, restaurants, hospitals, etc.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on August 18, 2023, 11:08:05 AM
That would be a tone deaf move. 12,000 residents were displaced or killed (with a 1000+ unaccounted for), and every Lahaina restaurant closed/burned down. Locals are very upset at tourists who are acting entitled and at the slowness of FEMA getting supplies in. The Governor has declared West Maui as a tourist exclusionary zone. Key local government officials are getting fired due their performance.The other tourist zones are laying off employees as tourist cancel.
FEMA has secured thousands of Kaanapali resort rooms and AirBnBs for 38+ weeks plus for displaced families, FEMA workers and for reconstruction crews. All the Lahaina rental/hotel inventory is destroyed or damaged (mine). Let's throw in a basketball tournament in one of the last remaining buildings in 10 weeks to further upset grieving and recovery.
They can do the fundraising elsewhere.
Doc and Coleman: Hard to argue against both of your posts.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on August 18, 2023, 11:57:26 AM
Y'all realize that last year Marquette played in a basketball tournament in Fort Myers less than two months after Hurricane Ian right?
Hurricane Ian took a relatively small part of Ft. Myers out. Much of it was properties along the ocean that were not built to post-Andrew building codes in the State of Florida. Our government had key services up and running in two weeks and, given Florida is not an island, we were able to handle displaced persons.
The enormity of what happened in Ft. Myers pales in comparison to what happened in Maui. Rtaher than playing basketball, we should help rebuild Lahaina town.
Quote from: dgies9156 on August 18, 2023, 01:41:06 PM
Hurricane Ian took a relatively small part of Ft. Myers out. Much of it was properties along the ocean that were not built to post-Andrew building codes in the State of Florida. Our government had key services up and running in two weeks and, given Florida is not an island, we were able to handle displaced persons.
The enormity of what happened in Ft. Myers pales in comparison to what happened in Maui. Rtaher than playing basketball, we should help rebuild Lahaina town.
Yep. Mostly areas around beaches and harbor areas . Further inland did not have that kind of issues.
Sept 29... Ian hits... October 6th, the tourney tells us "we're working w local officials, but we expect we're all good for the tourney next month!"
Quote from: dgies9156 on August 18, 2023, 01:41:06 PM
Hurricane Ian took a relatively small part of Ft. Myers out. Much of it was properties along the ocean that were not built to post-Andrew building codes in the State of Florida. Our government had key services up and running in two weeks and, given Florida is not an island, we were able to handle displaced persons.
The enormity of what happened in Ft. Myers pales in comparison to what happened in Maui. Rtaher than playing basketball, we should help rebuild Lahaina town.
I was at the tournament. I was one of the ones that originally thought they would move it. I was wrong. But as stated, these two are not at all the same.
First, as noted, the damage, while horrific was mostly not in Fort Myers, but in Fort Myers Beach, Sanibel, Captiva and Pine Island, with damage in Cape Coral. The area around the arena was largely untouched. Lots of infrastructure was still in place. Restaurants, grocery stores, gas stations, hotels, etc. If you stayed near the arena, you couldn't even tell there had been a major event.
Second, there were far more resources surrounding Fort Myers. Workers could drive in from surrounding areas, supplies and building materials could easily be shipped in. Much of it was still located in Fort Myers. Most people there were living life like normal. Restaurants were packed, traffic was normal, no shortages of anything. That will not be the case in Lahaina at the time of the tournament. Just from a logistics and resources point of view.
As an island, Maui has limited resources to begin with. And as others have noted, Lahaina looks like a war zone.
the several thousand people attending the Ft Myers tournament were a drop in the bucket to the overall population. That won't be the case in Lahaina area.
Wherever it is (it BETTER occur somewhere), I would like a pregame setup like Ft Myers.
Quote from: dgies9156 on August 18, 2023, 01:41:06 PM
The enormity of what happened in Ft. Myers pales in comparison to what happened in Maui.
True, so true, dgies.
Tournament and Chaminade officials say no decisions have been made and they're exploring feasibility of holding the event in Lahaina.
https://www.kitv.com/video/news/officials-assessing-feasibility-of-holding-2023-maui-invitational-ncaa-basketball-tournament/video_0923daed-5168-543a-9efa-95581a1a6383.html
Illinois and Kansas playing an exhibition game to benefit relief efforts
https://thespun.com/more/top-stories/kansas-illinois-announce-exhibition-game-with-proceeds-going-to-relief-efforts-in-maui
That was a couple days ago.. the news report... "expected to put out a statement by the end of this week".., today??
Quote from: Pakuni on August 18, 2023, 04:08:30 PM
Tournament and Chaminade officials say no decisions have been made and they're exploring feasibility of holding the event in Lahaina.
https://www.kitv.com/video/news/officials-assessing-feasibility-of-holding-2023-maui-invitational-ncaa-basketball-tournament/video_0923daed-5168-543a-9efa-95581a1a6383.html
Illinois and Kansas playing an exhibition game to benefit relief efforts
https://thespun.com/more/top-stories/kansas-illinois-announce-exhibition-game-with-proceeds-going-to-relief-efforts-in-maui
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Doubles down
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on August 18, 2023, 11:08:05 AM
That would be a tone deaf move. 12,000 residents were displaced or killed (with a 1000+ unaccounted for), and every Lahaina restaurant closed/burned down. Locals are very upset at tourists who are acting entitled and at the slowness of FEMA getting supplies in. The Governor has declared West Maui as a tourist exclusionary zone. Key local government officials are getting fired due their performance.The other tourist zones are laying off employees as tourist cancel.
FEMA has secured thousands of Kaanapali resort rooms and AirBnBs for 38+ weeks plus for displaced families, FEMA workers and for reconstruction crews. All the Lahaina rental/hotel inventory is destroyed or damaged (mine). Let's throw in a basketball tournament in one of the last remaining buildings in 10 weeks to further upset grieving and recovery.
They can do the fundraising elsewhere.
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This
Devastation in Maui is biblical. Toddlers incinerated in their beds.
Infrastructure burned to a crisp, not just soggy.
No comparison to FMB.
Let them grieve and support how THEY want to rebuild.
Hold it elsewhere (like Milwaukee) and donate every penny of profit to the recovery.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on August 18, 2023, 12:16:56 PM
You might be right, but I remember the exact same "there is no way we can hold it there" type comments being said then.
No. He's right. Not close to the same thing.
Don Nelson deserves props.
Quote from: Pakuni on August 18, 2023, 04:08:30 PM
Tournament and Chaminade officials say no decisions have been made and they're exploring feasibility of holding the event in Lahaina.
https://www.kitv.com/video/news/officials-assessing-feasibility-of-holding-2023-maui-invitational-ncaa-basketball-tournament/video_0923daed-5168-543a-9efa-95581a1a6383.html
Illinois and Kansas playing an exhibition game to benefit relief efforts
https://thespun.com/more/top-stories/kansas-illinois-announce-exhibition-game-with-proceeds-going-to-relief-efforts-in-maui
How about a Marquette/Duke exhibition at MSG for Maui relief.
Is Honolulu an option?
I assume the Rainbow Classic is still going on there.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on August 21, 2023, 12:23:28 PM
Is Honolulu an option?
I assume the Rainbow Classic is still going on there.
I do not see it scheduled... but am curious if it was or is planned
Quote from: Jay Bee on August 21, 2023, 01:33:00 PM
I do not see it scheduled... but am curious if it was or is planned
It's now the Diamond Head Classic around Christmas time
https://www.bloggingthebracket.com/platform/amp/2023/4/4/23665918/2023-24-mens-college-basketball-exempt-multi-team-events-mte-thanksgiving-early-season-tournaments
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on August 21, 2023, 01:42:32 PM
It's now the Diamond Head Classic around Christmas time
https://www.bloggingthebracket.com/platform/amp/2023/4/4/23665918/2023-24-mens-college-basketball-exempt-multi-team-events-mte-thanksgiving-early-season-tournaments
I don't think that's it. Diamond head Classic has been around for years; I think Hawaii played in both the Rainbow Classic & Diamondhead Classic last season
Quote from: Jay Bee on August 21, 2023, 01:46:16 PM
I don't think that's it. Diamond head Classic has been around for years; I think Hawaii played in both the Rainbow Classic & Diamondhead Classic last season
Diamond Head is their exempt one usually.
They have The Rainbow Classic (usually first games), North Shore Classic etc to start their year. But it's like volleyball: A bunch of teams travel in and they play each other in multiple games to save on travel in OOC. They host and they try to get a sponsor.
Looking at Hawaii's schedule, they don't have anything listed for November. Seems like they haven't posted their non-con schedule yet.
https://hawaiiathletics.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule/2023-2024
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 21, 2023, 02:09:53 PM
Looking at Hawaii's schedule, they don't have anything listed for November. Seems like they haven't posted their non-con schedule yet.
https://hawaiiathletics.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule/2023-2024
Hawaii is hosting the 2023 Hawaiian Airlines Diamond Head Classic at the Stan Sherrif Arena 12/21-12/24.
Side note. Stan Sheriff was there when I lived oh Oahu. Our next door neighbor for a year was Rainbow warrior offensive coordinator Paul Johnson, who went on to coach Navy and Georgia Tech.
Got to meet Stan a few times. Great guy, died way too early.
Hearing many business owners in the rest of Maui are hurting with so many cancellations. Tourism is huge for them. They do not want tourists to stay away. The rest of the island is open. Do not be surprised if this event moves forward.
Quote from: 79Warrior on August 21, 2023, 06:49:38 PM
Hearing many business owners in the rest of Maui are hurting with so many cancellations. Tourism is huge for them. They do not want tourists to stay away. The rest of the island is open. Do not be surprised if this event moves forward.
Where would the teams and visitors stay if the hotel rooms are being used to house the homeless and the FEMA officials?
Quote from: TedBaxter on August 21, 2023, 07:28:43 PM
Where would the teams and visitors stay if the hotel rooms are being used to house the homeless and the FEMA officials?
There are more than 4,800 hotel rooms in the Kaanapali area alone. Not to mention thousands more in Wailiea/Kihei and Kapalua. Not to mention thousands of condos available on Airbnb and VRBO.
Overall, there are more than 21,000 lodging units on Maui.
The tournament may not happen, but if it doesn't, it won't be because there aren't places for visitors stay, places for them to eat, etc.
Quote from: Pakuni on August 21, 2023, 08:35:01 PM
There are more than 4,800 hotel rooms in the Kaanapali area alone. Not to mention thousands more in Wailiea/Kihei and Kapalua. Not to mention thousands of condos available on Airbnb and VRBO.
Overall, there are more than 21,000 lodging units on Maui.
The tournament may not happen, but if it doesn't, it won't be because there aren't places for visitors stay, places for them to eat, etc.
As of a week ago, it looks like 46,000 people have left the island and around 1,000 families needed lodging. That's more than a quarter of the population gone and likely a heavy dent in those hotel rooms. I imagine a number of that 46,000 worked in some form of hospitality industry.
Less available lodging, fewer people to upkeep the hospitality industry that is there, feels like you might be underestimating the impact of these fires.
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 21, 2023, 10:53:09 PM
As of a week ago, it looks like 46,000 people have left the island and around 1,000 families needed lodging. That's more than a quarter of the population gone and likely a heavy dent in those hotel rooms. I imagine a number of that 46,000 worked in some form of hospitality industry.
Less available lodging, fewer people to upkeep the hospitality industry that is there, feels like you might be underestimating the impact of these fires.
Have you considered the likelihood that a substantial portion of those 46,000 were tourists/visitors, not residents? Keep in mind, at any given time there are 50,000+ tourists on Maui.
And that figure - a count of the six days after the fire- isn't that unusual, as the daily passenger count at that airport is 30,000 a day. Assuming about half are arrivals and half departures, 46,000 over several days doesn't seem that extraordinary.
See under "Airport Facts and Stats"
https://www.ifly.com/airports/kahului-airport#google_vignette
As of a few days ago, 1,000 hotel rooms in the Lahaina area had been reserved for the displaced and first responders. Again, there are 4,800 rooms in Kaanapali alone and 21,000+ on the island. 1,000 is not a significant number here.
Plus, it's a safe bet the need for temporary lodging will not be the same three months from now.
https://www.nytimes.com/article/maui-wildfires-hawaii.html
I think you might be overestimating the lodging needs created by the Maui Invitational. Per the tournament website, the event draws 5,000 visitors a year. So even if each and every visitor wants a room to themselves - which we know isn't the case - there are way more than enough available within 30 minutes of the arena.
It may turn out that tournament organizers decide it's inappropriate to hold the event three months after such a massive tragedy occurred within blocks of the arena. That's a completely reasonable call.
But the idea that they'll be forced to move it because there's no room at the inn doesn't hold up.
"Just a brush fire. Come, enjoy the beach! Or simply commute each day from San Fran to Lahaina. Everything's fine!" — Pakuni
Quote from: Jay Bee on August 22, 2023, 10:01:28 AM
"Just a brush fire. Come, enjoy the beach! Or simply commute each day from San Fran to Lahaina. Everything's fine!" — Pakuni
And don't drink the water, swim in the ocean or breathe the air. Pay no need to grieving displaced families in the shelters as you drive past or the frustrated people applying for aid FEMA Family Center in the Hyatt ballroom as you as you get your poolside spa Lahaina mud peels and cucumber eye wraps.
Do I think Kemper will try to keep in Maui? Yes they will try but I suspect that has more to do with all the travel packages they sold out on. I did the right thing and cancelled last week.
(https://i.giphy.com/media/KHpGXUSTzlUCDXWmFL/giphy.webp)
Dismissing the idea that one of the biggest climate disasters in American history might impact tourism in a region for more than 3 months is the epitome of not a serious person.
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 22, 2023, 12:00:33 PM
Dismissing the idea that one of the biggest climate disasters in American history might impact tourism in a region for more than 3 months is the epitome of not a serious person.
Pakuni can speak for himself, but I don't think he's dismissing the idea that it
might impact tourism for more than 3 months, but rather that it
might not force them to cancel/move this tournament.
Truthing the impact of the Maui fires is a high water mark for even peak offseason Scoop.
Quote from: brewcity77 on August 22, 2023, 12:00:33 PM
Dismissing the idea that one of the biggest climate disasters in American history might impact tourism in a region for more than 3 months is the epitome of not a serious person.
Can you point out where I wrote anything close to that?
Straw man arguments seem pretty unserious to me.
I'm not going to attend, but if it does still happen in Hawaii, I'm hoping Honolulu has an arena option to make it work so possibly the booked trips can maybe still happen and maybe a larger venue can allow for some bigger crowds and to raise some money for the people in Maui.
It's going to be a lot of work for the organizers, whether it remains in Hawaii or comes to the 48 states somewhere. Finding a venue (staff), hotels and food for a Holiday week 90 days away will be a challenge.
I know this is a Captain Obvious post.
"That's some hot ground, man"
Smh
https://apnews.com/article/maui-fire-missing-list-lahaina-e6909a2be7860fc7f9062c886a15f979
500 to 1000 still unaccounted.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on August 22, 2023, 02:30:49 PM
https://apnews.com/article/maui-fire-missing-list-lahaina-e6909a2be7860fc7f9062c886a15f979
500 to 1000 still unaccounted.
"Play ball!" - Pakuni
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on August 22, 2023, 10:56:37 AM
And don't drink the water, swim in the ocean or breathe the air. Pay no need to grieving displaced families in the shelters as you drive past or the frustrated people applying for aid FEMA Family Center in the Hyatt ballroom as you as you get your poolside spa Lahaina mud peels and cucumber eye wraps.
Do I think Kemper will try to keep in Maui? Yes they will try but I suspect that has more to do with all the travel packages they sold out on. I did the right thing and cancelled last week.
Again, the tournament is slated to happen in two and a half months. Even if cancelling the tournament is the "right thing," why would just cancelling a November trip all together be the "right thing?" (Assuming they are open and the state lifts its limitations on visiting West Maui?)
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on August 22, 2023, 03:25:29 PM
Again, the tournament is slated to happen in two and a half months. Even if cancelling the tournament is the "right thing," why would just cancelling a November trip all together be the "right thing?" (Assuming they are open and the state lifts its limitations on visiting West Maui?)
Dr. B is gonna do the "right thing" and just send his tournament travel money in as a donation instead ;D
Otherwise yes, *IF* the tournament still happens in Maui (big if) - seems it would be prudent to help support the economy - which is highly dependent on tourism.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on August 22, 2023, 04:11:32 PM
Dr. B is gonna do the "right thing" and just send his tournament travel money in as a donation instead ;D
Otherwise yes, *IF* the tournament still happens in Maui (big if) - seems it would be prudent to help support the economy - which is highly dependent on tourism.
Of course I did. Who wouldn't? It's a travesty.
FEMA people btw are staying at the Four Seasons. This is as horrible a situation and tragedy since Katrina.
Quote from: MuggsyB on August 22, 2023, 06:07:50 PM
FEMA people btw are staying at the Four Seasons. This is as horrible a situation and tragedy since Katrina.
Worldwide not even close. Even if you limited it to the United States it's not. (Hurricane Maria.)
https://www.npr.org/2023/08/16/1194115167/maui-county-tells-tourists-to-come-back-just-stay-out-of-the-burn-zone
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on August 22, 2023, 06:11:25 PM
Worldwide not even close. Even if you limited it to the United States it's not. (Hurricane Maria.)
People are warned about hurricanes. There are likely 100+ children that perished here. This is absolutely horrific. Now worldwide there have been earthquakes in dense populations but this is terrible. We need to wait before the facts all come out. If human incompetence was the primary factor? it's even more troubling.
Quote from: MuMark on August 22, 2023, 06:39:15 PM
https://www.npr.org/2023/08/16/1194115167/maui-county-tells-tourists-to-come-back-just-stay-out-of-the-burn-zone
Exactly. Businesses that were not in Lahaina are hurting without tourists. More folks will be laid off and lose their paychecks as a result. If you go as a tourist, be respectful of the Hawaiian people and spend money in any business you can.
Quote from: MuMark on August 22, 2023, 06:39:15 PM
https://www.npr.org/2023/08/16/1194115167/maui-county-tells-tourists-to-come-back-just-stay-out-of-the-burn-zone
Seems about right. Once an initial tragedy happens, no matter what it is, the economic reality takes over and people have to get realistic about their immediate and long term economic futures.
I should ban many of you for cause. I've cleaned it up this times. If the usual suspects keep it up...well...
US senator from Hawaii
https://twitter.com/brianschatz/status/1694781570425479223
Brian Schatz
@brianschatz
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2h
Maui update. South Maui resorts (Lahaina is West Maui) NEED visitors. Furloughs and layoffs starting because people think the whole island is closed. It is not. If you are planning a trip to Wailea or Kihei, don't cancel. If you want to come to Hawaii pls consider South Maui.
Quote from: MUDPT on August 24, 2023, 04:21:56 PM
US senator from Hawaii
https://twitter.com/brianschatz/status/1694781570425479223
Brian Schatz
@brianschatz
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2h
Maui update. South Maui resorts (Lahaina is West Maui) NEED visitors. Furloughs and layoffs starting because people think the whole island is closed. It is not. If you are planning a trip to Wailea or Kihei, don't cancel. If you want to come to Hawaii pls consider South Maui.
Exactly. They need visitors.
Quote from: 79Warrior on August 24, 2023, 05:49:05 PM
Exactly. They need visitors.
Does nothing for a tourney in Lahaina.
West Maui closed to visitors to oct 17 — for now.
Let's figure out an alternate site soon
Quote from: Jay Bee on August 24, 2023, 06:07:29 PM
West Maui closed to visitors to oct 17 — for now.
Let's figure out an alternate site soon
What about the War Memorial gym in Wailuki. Home of the first two Maui Classics in the 1980's and the women's tournament as recently as 2017. Keeps the tourism money in Maui, but moves the center of attention to the complete other side of the isle.
What about the War Memorial gym in Wailuki? Home of the first two Maui Classics in the 1980's and the women's tournament as recently as 2017. Keeps the tourism money in Maui, but moves the center of attention to the complete other side of the isle.
Quote from: The Equalizer on August 24, 2023, 07:30:32 PM
What about the War Memorial gym in Wailuki? Home of the first two Maui Classics in the 1980's and the women's tournament as recently as 2017. Keeps the tourism money in Maui, but moves the center of attention to the complete other side of the isle.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7DpMwDgxC-I&pp=ygUZb3ZlcnJ1bGVkIG15IGNvdXNpbiB2aW5ueQ%3D%3D
Quote from: The Equalizer on August 24, 2023, 07:30:32 PM
What about the War Memorial gym in Wailuki? Home of the first two Maui Classics in the 1980's and the women's tournament as recently as 2017. Keeps the tourism money in Maui, but moves the center of attention to the complete other side of the isle.
Put it in the 20,000 strong football field. Let's have some fun.
Quote from: Jay Bee on August 24, 2023, 06:07:29 PM
West Maui closed to visitors to oct 17 — for now.
Let's figure out an alternate site soon
Aircraft carrier in Pearl Harbor?
Quote from: Jay Bee on August 24, 2023, 06:04:49 PM
Does nothing for a tourney in Lahaina.
How do you know? No one has any idea what they are thinking.
Quote from: 79Warrior on August 25, 2023, 09:06:43 AM
How do you know? No one has any idea what they are thinking.
Because I'm not an imbecile.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 25, 2023, 06:13:06 AM
Aircraft carrier in Pearl Harbor?
November is the start of winter in Hawaii and the beginning of the archipelago's rainy season. During November, the average rainfall in Hawaii is around four to five inches—the third rainiest month after December and January.
Quote from: Coleman on August 25, 2023, 09:27:45 AM
USS Arizona?
A definite no. Not only underwater, but a very sacred location.
Quote from: war1980rior on August 25, 2023, 11:39:42 AM
A definite no. Not only underwater, but a very sacred location.
Also, not an aircraft carrier, but that's a minor point compared to the ones you raised.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on August 25, 2023, 12:18:09 PM
Also, not an aircraft carrier, but that's a minor point compared to the ones you raised.
Screw the Arizona, let's play on the tomb of the unknown soldier.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on August 25, 2023, 12:46:25 PM
Screw the Arizona, let's play on the tomb of the unknown soldier.
Finally, someone willing to think big
Quote from: Coleman on August 25, 2023, 12:47:08 PM
Finally, someone willing to think big
I wanted to be an event planner for about a week during my junior year. It's in the blood, I guess.
I know Vegas seems a no-brainer as far as possible tournament relocation to the mainland. However, what about Reno? University of Nevada-Reno has a nice mid-size arena, and you have the proximity to the area affected a couple years ago by the Camp fire. It could help turn out locals as well, if there were a 50/50 split of 100 percent of the proceeds between charities helping families struggling from both wildfires. Also, the tournament's place on the calendar usually coincides with the opening of nearby Lake Tahoe ski resorts like Heavenly and NorthStar. There could be cross-marketing tie-ins, with reduced prices for lift tickets, tourney tickets, and hotels. Just a thought.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on August 25, 2023, 12:18:09 PM
Also, not an aircraft carrier, but that's a minor point compared to the ones you raised.
I am disappointed you both shot down my obviously serious suggestion
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on August 25, 2023, 03:18:29 PM
I know Vegas seems a no-brainer as far as possible tournament relocation to the mainland. However, what about Reno? University of Nevada-Reno has a nice mid-size arena, and you have the proximity to the area affected a couple years ago by the Camp fire. It could help turn out locals as well, if there were a 50/50 split of 100 percent of the proceeds between charities helping families struggling from both wildfires. Also, the tournament's place on the calendar usually coincides with the opening of nearby Lake Tahoe ski resorts like Heavenly and NorthStar. There could be cross-marketing tie-ins, with reduced prices for lift tickets, tourney tickets, and hotels. Just a thought.
I'm agreeable to this (subject to change if flights from MSP to Reno are outrageous)
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on August 25, 2023, 03:18:29 PM
I know Vegas seems a no-brainer as far as possible tournament relocation to the mainland. However, what about Reno? University of Nevada-Reno has a nice mid-size arena, and you have the proximity to the area affected a couple years ago by the Camp fire. It could help turn out locals as well, if there were a 50/50 split of 100 percent of the proceeds between charities helping families struggling from both wildfires. Also, the tournament's place on the calendar usually coincides with the opening of nearby Lake Tahoe ski resorts like Heavenly and NorthStar. There could be cross-marketing tie-ins, with reduced prices for lift tickets, tourney tickets, and hotels. Just a thought.
Just play in a casino. Move some slot machines.
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on August 25, 2023, 03:18:29 PM
I know Vegas seems a no-brainer as far as possible tournament relocation to the mainland. However, what about Reno? University of Nevada-Reno has a nice mid-size arena, and you have the proximity to the area affected a couple years ago by the Camp fire. It could help turn out locals as well, if there were a 50/50 split of 100 percent of the proceeds between charities helping families struggling from both wildfires. Also, the tournament's place on the calendar usually coincides with the opening of nearby Lake Tahoe ski resorts like Heavenly and NorthStar. There could be cross-marketing tie-ins, with reduced prices for lift tickets, tourney tickets, and hotels. Just a thought.
Are you nuts? Talk about unsafe cities and crime. Heard about this guy who shot another guy just to watch him die!
Quote from: pbiflyer on August 25, 2023, 11:18:30 PM
Are you nuts? Talk about unsafe cities and crime. Heard about this guy who shot another guy just to watch him die!
It's all good. I heard they caught that guy. All he can do now is hang his head and cry.
Kansas v. Illinois exhibition Maui fundraiser added. Will MU add one?
https://amp.foxsports.com/stories/college-basketball/kansas-illinois-to-play-exhibition-to-benefit-maui-relief-efforts
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on August 26, 2023, 09:52:00 AM
Kansas v. Illinois exhibition Maui fundraiser added. Will MU add one?
https://amp.foxsports.com/stories/college-basketball/kansas-illinois-to-play-exhibition-to-benefit-maui-relief-efforts
Yes, but will refuse to stream it!
Quote from: pbiflyer on August 25, 2023, 11:18:30 PM
Are you nuts? Talk about unsafe cities and crime. Heard about this guy who shot another guy just to watch him die!
Don't worry he won't be around. He's stuck in California for a while.
MU should add an Exhibition game as a fundraiser. Maybe play a team at the AL.
I doubt that they will. I don't think anyone at MU thinks of / or leads in these areas.
Quote from: Mu8891 on August 26, 2023, 03:50:56 PM
MU should add an Exhibition game as a fundraiser. Maybe play a team at the AL.
I doubt that they will. I don't think anyone at MU thinks of / or leads in these areas.
When was the exhibition with UWM? It was after one of the hurricanes? Maybe bring in Brian Wardle and Bradley or Iowa State for an exhibition.
Quote from: Shooter Flatch on August 26, 2023, 04:26:23 PM
When was the exhibition with UWM? It was after one of the hurricanes? Maybe bring in Brian Wardle and Bradley or Iowa State for an exhibition.
I was thinking Minnesota or Northwestern.
It was 2 teams already scheduled to play a scrimmage that decided to make it open to the public. If other schools start scheduling charity exhibitions and MU turns up their nose on it I'll start freaking out about their incompetence at that time.
Quote from: wadesworld on August 26, 2023, 06:32:17 PM
It was 2 teams already scheduled to play a scrimmage that decided to make it open to the public. If other schools start scheduling charity exhibitions and MU turns up their nose on it I'll start freaking out about their incompetence at that time.
They must have received an NCAA waiver too. Anyway I don't think it's a bad idea for all Maui schools to do this, but if they can't no biggie.
Kaanapali fire evacuation alarms this PM now with another brushfire.
Which team(s) is MU playing in an Exhibition this year ? Open that up to the public.
Otherwise, UWM or Bradley are good ideas.
Quote from: Mu8891 on August 27, 2023, 09:18:08 AM
Which team(s) is MU playing in an Exhibition this year ? Open that up to the public.
Otherwise, UWM or Bradley are good ideas.
Marquette's not playing an exhibition that I am aware of. They are (likely) playing two, closed door scrimmages.
Then change a closed door scrimmage to an open exhibition. Donate the funds to
Maui.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on August 27, 2023, 04:57:51 PM
Marquette's not playing an exhibition that I am aware of. They are (likely) playing two, closed door scrimmages.
That's what Kansas and Illinois were doing. They had a closed door scrimmage planned and changed it to an exhibition fundraiser, like the one Marquette & Milwaukee had for hurricane relief in 2017.
As more info has come out it's absolutely astonishing the level of incompetence, on various fronts,which seemingly caused this horrible tragedy. Do we even have a actual concrete figure how many children are missing? All I've seen is that 2K aren't accounted for in the schools. I really hope all of the schools in tbe Maui Invitational find a way to make a big and direct donation to Lahania.
Update.
https://spectrumlocalnews.com/hi/hawaii/sports/2023/08/29/maui-invitational-operator-kemperlesnik-mulls-options-for-tournament
https://mauibrewingco.com/kokua/
Drink beer, raise funds
Quote from: Miss Katie's on August 29, 2023, 12:00:49 PM
https://spectrumlocalnews.com/hi/hawaii/sports/2023/08/29/maui-invitational-operator-kemperlesnik-mulls-options-for-tournament
Vegas has their Grand Prix the weekend right before (the tournament games start on Monday). Honolulu seems like the right call reading between the lines for the many reasons stated. The key is hotel space and travel, especially with 17k seating as more will want to travel (plus a larger engaged local group).
Where's the 17k seating??
Dodds says he was told at the team event yesterday that the team will play in the Maui event but not on Maui.
Quote from: tower912 on August 30, 2023, 10:26:21 AM
Dodds says he was told at the team event yesterday that the team will play in the Maui event but not on Maui.
Also says Vegas is out bc of the f1 crap (road closures end Sunday at 2am... but I suppose it might be a pain for the teams who might arrive a couple days in advance of the first day (Monday)... but I still say do it in Vegas
Mich st & Tn doing a benefit exhibit now as well.
Hearing that the tournament will remain in Maui
I hope so, that it stays on Maui.
If they decide to move it to another island, how are all the people who bought packages and made travel arrangements going to find a flight for that week at the last minute? And lodging?
Of course basketball in Maui is not a priority at this time considering what happened. I'm sure it's not easy for Kemper Sports, and they have to tread carefully.
I don't imagine organizers want to wait much longer to finalize plans.
Quote from: Bling on August 31, 2023, 10:31:14 AM
I hope so, that it stays on Maui.
If they decide to move it to another island, how are all the people who bought packages and made travel arrangements going to find a flight for that week at the last minute? And lodging?
Maui sounds silly.
If it stays on Maui, how are more than half who bought packages & made travel arrangements going to see the games when you're playing in a gym a fraction of the size of the LCC?
U of H might be doable ... but they should move to the 48
My money is on O'ahu
Neeskara mite bea available, hey?
Quote from: real chili 83 on August 31, 2023, 11:00:23 AM
My money is on O'ahu
Have friends who have already booked rooms based on this assumption.
Looks like Honolulu would be kinder to the wallet.
Benny, please post detailed considerations travelers need to make at this potential location. Location / availability of Pickleball courts is key.
Quote from: Jay Bee on August 31, 2023, 10:56:56 AM
Maui sounds silly.
If it stays on Maui, how are more than half who bought packages & made travel arrangements going to see the games when you're playing in a gym a fraction of the size of the LCC?
U of H might be doable ... but they should move to the 48
The LCC was not damaged. Up to the folks in Lahaina to give their blessing. Obviously a lot going on behind the scenes.
Quote from: 79Warrior on August 31, 2023, 12:50:11 PM
The LCC was not damaged. Up to the folks in Lahaina to give their blessing. Obviously a lot going on behind the scenes.
Can't do it there. No way.
Still no word... not sure how to interpret it, but leaning toward the idea that they'd like to do Honolulu but are trying to give it more time to be comfortable it'll work / is prudent (based on nothing but my own thoughts). Hoping we get clarification one way or the other soon - next week or two??
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 05, 2023, 10:13:25 AM
Still no word... not sure how to interpret it, but leaning toward the idea that they'd like to do Honolulu but are trying to give it more time to be comfortable it'll work / is prudent (based on nothing but my own thoughts). Hoping we get clarification one way or the other soon - next week or two??
You will know Sept 15
Maui beckons tourists, and their dollars, to stave off economic disaster after wildfires
https://apnews.com/article/hawaii-maui-wildfires-tourism-unemployment-layoffs-e6a1032e1faede119a6b6607e41e6364?user_email=6647dfa7189f748384d7389910f7b584c6fcfc35ae990102964c7e826d4175c7&utm_medium=Morning_Wire&utm_source=Sailthru&utm_campaign=Morning%20Wire_8%20September_2023&utm_term=Morning%20Wire%20Subscribers
KAHULUI, Hawaii (AP) — Richie Olsten has been in Maui's helicopter tour business for a half century, so long he's developed a barometer for the tourism-dependent economy: rental cars parked at the island's airport.
There are so many since wildfires killed at least 115 people in the historic town of Lahaina that Olsten is worried about a full-blown economic catastrophe. Restaurants and tour companies are laying off workers, and unemployment is surging.
State tourism officials, after initially urging travelers to stay away, are now asking them to come back, avoid the burn zone and help Maui recover by spending their money. Airlines have started offering steep discounts, while some resorts have slashed room rates by 20% or are offering a fifth night free.
"I know what a terrible disaster that was. But now we're in crisis mode," Olsten said. "If we can't keep the people that have jobs employed, how are they going to help family members and friends that lost everything?"
I believe Maui Invitational organizers area committed to keep the tournament at the LCC.
Facts:
1. West Maui desperately needs tourism dollars
2. LCC was unaffected. (roads to and from the nearby area are being cleaned up)
3. Logistical nightmare to rebook hundreds of travel packages at the last minute
4. Most teams and fans stay at the hotel strip on Kaanapali which was not affected
5. The longer they wait to announce a final decision, the more complicated it will be
Thoughts?
Only quibble is 1. should read "ALL of Maui"
My thought is they should just make a damn decision.
2 issues. Will there be a sufficient number of workers to have the hotels and their restaurants open to guests? Can it be enjoyable vacationing in the middle of a hellscape?
Quote from: Mu8891 on September 08, 2023, 11:14:55 AM
My thought is they should just make a damn decision.
I mean, it's complicated. I'm sure they are going to do what they feel is in the best interests of everybody involved, but complicated decisions often can't be made quickly.
Non-essential travel to these parts is strongly discouraged by the government for another 5+ weeks from today. C'mon now
Jay - if that is correct then they should just move it to the other island ...
Raise funds for Maui.
As far as supporting the people / workers of Maui ( which is important ), I presume government and Red Cross and others are
( I hope ) pouring in relief funds, as the residents of Maui should be the No. 1 concern!
Quote from: Gato78 on September 08, 2023, 11:36:26 AM
2 issues. Will there be a sufficient number of workers to have the hotels and their restaurants open to guests? Can it be enjoyable vacationing in the middle of a hellscape?
Folks are being laid off. None of the main hotels were affected. Workers are not the problem. The optics and how to be respectful to Lahina is more the issue. The whole Island is having an economic collapse. Check out airfares now. Rock bottom.
If the locals support having the tournament at LCC then every effort should be made to make it happen. I would graciously accept some discomfort or marginal service to support the Maui economy and its people. A return to normalcy is often the best response to a horrific event. I do hope there is an announcement soon!
FEMA just moved the Family Assistance Center to the LCC. Only about 1600 out of 3000 student have been placed in public schools with 3 out of 4 schools burned. These seem like two better uses of the LCC than the Maui Jim Invitational.
Not to mention 385 are still officially missing after a month and the EPA and Army Corps are just starting a six month hazmat and damage removal process.
So it sounds as like people should still take their trips to Maui, but plan on watching the Invitational on television.
They better do what is best for college basketball fans
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 08, 2023, 01:25:27 PM
They better do what is best for college basketball fans
Or what?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 08, 2023, 06:08:12 PM
Or some scoopers will be angry
All travel restrictions to West Maui end October 8. Will fully reopen.
Quote from: 79Warrior on September 09, 2023, 09:02:14 AM
All travel restrictions to West Maui end October 8. Will fully reopen.
Some scoopers are going to still be angry
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 09, 2023, 09:05:13 AM
Some scoopers are going to still be angry
Yep. Obviously the economic situation is huge and a decision was made to move forward.
I forgot to post this the other day from the Tournament. Only one MU package.
https://e.givesmart.com/events/yi0/
Quote from: 79Warrior on September 09, 2023, 09:35:26 AM
Yep. Obviously the economic situation is huge and a decision was made to move forward.
+1. It seems a bit crazy but the pols are pushing to reopen. Not sure they are close to ready but you need to start sometime and the Governor wants sooner than later.
https://x.com/sethdavishoops/status/1701577932546977994?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Never a doubt
Only one pure MU package as noted above, but you can get a signed 2012 Tournament surf board. Can have Buzz and KO signatures on the same place!
https://e.givesmart.com/events/yi0/i/
https://e.givesmart.com/events/yi0/i/_All/nsVl/?search=
What's a little odd is that they have a signed board available for every year I have gone except for 2007. Which would probably be the only one I want.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 12, 2023, 07:55:58 AM
https://x.com/sethdavishoops/status/1701577932546977994?s=46&t=QSiaGcOIKZrrpw0ciZkI5Q
Never a doubt
Nice.
Any guesses on how tickets will be handled? Additional booster deals, or just put em all up for sale?
The over 4x size of the stadium would make me think tickets will not be an issue. But with over 2 months left, who knows.
I am honestly surprised to hear this news particularly with all the discussions this week about how desperate Maui is to open west Maui for financial reasons. (Though one article I read said pretty much come, spend money, but don't look like your having fun to respect those who are serving you and who have suffered such a tragedy.) Such a conflicted situation.
An article that I read in the Athletic mentioned that though the gym was not burned down, all the fiber optics needed for ESPN to broadcast had been destroyed. This probably was a factor in the decision as well.
In any case last week I had finally pulled the plug on my Maui reservations and moved all of my hotels and flights to Oahu(already was on Oahu 17-20)...so the move worked out for me. Depending on how they do tickets I may have an extra pair of tickets to the UCLA games...which I will post and donate the proceeds to Maui relief.
Citing sources, The Athletic is also reporting that the tourney being in Honolulu is a done deal.
Quote from: mu_eyeballs on September 12, 2023, 02:37:40 PM
I am honestly surprised to hear this news particularly with all the discussions this week about how desperate Maui is to open west Maui for financial reasons. (Though one article I read said pretty much come, spend money, but don't look like your having fun to respect those who are serving you and who have suffered such a tragedy.) Such a conflicted situation.
Never thought it would be feasible on Maui. A lot of ppl thought otherwise, but I would have been absolutely shocked.
Interested to see how tickets are sold
anyone know when the team hotel will be announced?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 13, 2023, 03:12:42 PM
No
Well, someone may know
I'll go with "after the location of the tourney is formally announced"
Espn has announced its officially moved to Honolulu.
https://gomarquette.com/news/2023/9/15/mens-basketball-2023-maui-invitational-relocates-to-honolulu
Tickets on sale the first of October
Anybody have any advice on what to do in this scenario?
I bought 9 tickets for my family and friends at almost $500/ticket on StubHub for the original event at the Lahaina Civic Center.
The venue changed to a much bigger arena on a different island. The value of these tickets has most likely plummeted due to lesser demand, so reselling is not a good option. Anybody have any advice? I have contacted StubHub but they just say resell..
Thanks
Quote from: Bling on September 15, 2023, 03:08:40 PM
Anybody have any advice on what to do in this scenario?
I bought 9 tickets for my family and friends at almost $500/ticket on StubHub for the original event at the Lahaina Civic Center.
The venue changed to a much bigger arena on a different island. The value of these tickets has most likely plummeted due to lesser demand, so reselling is not a good option. Anybody have any advice? I have contacted StubHub but they just say resell..
Thanks
I imagine you will have center court side seats as the link posted by Dr. B said all seats already purchased would have similar seating at the new venue; unless you decided not attend.
Quote from: Bling on September 15, 2023, 03:08:40 PM
Anybody have any advice on what to do in this scenario?
I bought 9 tickets for my family and friends at almost $500/ticket on StubHub for the original event at the Lahaina Civic Center.
The venue changed to a much bigger arena on a different island. The value of these tickets has most likely plummeted due to lesser demand, so reselling is not a good option. Anybody have any advice? I have contacted StubHub but they just say resell..
Thanks
You received a learning opportunity, hey?
Not to use StubHub?
Quote from: Bling on September 15, 2023, 05:17:07 PM
Not to use StubHub?
Or just not to buy scalped tickets.
You gambled, you lost. What do you want stubhub to do?
Quote from: Bling on September 15, 2023, 03:08:40 PM
Anybody have any advice on what to do in this scenario?
I bought 9 tickets for my family and friends at almost $500/ticket on StubHub for the original event at the Lahaina Civic Center.
The venue changed to a much bigger arena on a different island. The value of these tickets has most likely plummeted due to lesser demand, so reselling is not a good option. Anybody have any advice? I have contacted StubHub but they just say resell..
Thanks
I'd say go and enjoy the event.
You bought the tickets for your family and friends. Why are you worried about resale prices?
Quote from: Bling on September 15, 2023, 03:08:40 PM
Anybody have any advice on what to do in this scenario?
I bought 9 tickets for my family and friends at almost $500/ticket on StubHub for the original event at the Lahaina Civic Center.
The venue changed to a much bigger arena on a different island. The value of these tickets has most likely plummeted due to lesser demand, so reselling is not a good option. Anybody have any advice? I have contacted StubHub but they just say resell..
Thanks
According to the organizers website:
All previously purchased tickets will be honored and located in similar seats in the Stan Sheriff Center.
https://mauiinvitational.com/news/2023/9/15/general-2023-maui-invitational-relocates-to-honolulu.aspx
So hopefully you and your family enjoy the tickets.
Quote from: #UnleashSean on September 17, 2023, 10:49:49 AM
Or just not to buy scalped tickets.
You gambled, you lost. What do you want stubhub to do?
I bought the tickets before Lahaina burned down.
Quote from: #UnleashSean on September 17, 2023, 10:49:49 AM
Or just not to buy scalped tickets.
You gambled, you lost. What do you want stubhub to do?
Bit harsh. StubHub is very good about making things right for a canceled event, usually offering 120% of cost as a store credit or 100% refund. The Maui is a bit of a grey area, so I can see why Bling is asking questions.
Obviously when you pay that kind of money you have some expectations, I wonder if SH would offer some sort of store credit, worth asking. I might have missed it, but I'm sure Bling still plans to go, and I'm sure if they do, it's going to be awesome!
Quote from: Bling on September 17, 2023, 05:44:04 PM
I bought the tickets before Lahaina burned down.
And chances are your Maui property is not holding you to the reservation so re book on a Oahu and enjoy the trip.
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on September 17, 2023, 09:19:29 PM
Bit harsh. StubHub is very good about making things right for a canceled event, usually offering 120% of cost as a store credit or 100% refund. The Maui is a bit of a grey area, so I can see why Bling is asking questions.
Obviously when you pay that kind of money you have some expectations, I wonder if SH would offer some sort of store credit, worth asking. I might have missed it, but I'm sure Bling still plans to go, and I'm sure if they do, it's going to be awesome!
Thank you for the kind and helpful response. So I've decided to still attend the Tournament on Honolulu and use my tickets. I reached out to StubHub and they said their fan guarantee doesn't cover venue changes, even though it's an entirely different city. I guess I'll have to accept having likely paid exorbitantly for these tickets. They said I could resell them and buy new tickets when they go on sale through the Tournament, but I'm very unlikely to get my money back.
Also, I asked how my "General Admission, East bleachers" tickets will be assigned in the new arena that has individual seats. StubHub had no idea. I've reached out to Maui to see what they say.
Quote from: Bling on September 19, 2023, 08:04:54 AM
Thank you for the kind and helpful response. So I've decided to still attend the Tournament on Honolulu and use my tickets. I reached out to StubHub and they said their fan guarantee doesn't cover venue changes, even though it's an entirely different city. I guess I'll have to accept having likely paid exorbitantly for these tickets. They said I could resell them and buy new tickets when they go on sale through the Tournament, but I'm very unlikely to get my money back.
Also, I asked how my "General Admission, East bleachers" tickets will be assigned in the new arena that has individual seats. StubHub had no idea. I've reached out to Maui to see what they say.
You're welcome, it is a unique situation. I'm a bit surprised they won't offer any sort of compensation or something as it is certainly a venue change but clearly a different city on a different island. I wouldn't give up. Perhaps they are still working it out on their end, as I'm sure it is unique for them, too.
Have a great time!
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on September 19, 2023, 08:42:14 AM
You're welcome, it is a unique situation. I'm a bit surprised they won't offer any sort of compensation or something as it is certainly a venue change but clearly a different city on a different island. I wouldn't give up. Perhaps they are still working it out on their end, as I'm sure it is unique for them, too.
Have a great time!
Well, he probably bought it from some dude, just through Stub Hub. So the seller got paid. Why would Stub Hub use their $$ to make the buyer feel better?
I don't think the seller gets their money until after the event.
Quote from: Bling on September 19, 2023, 08:04:54 AM
Thank you for the kind and helpful response. So I've decided to still attend the Tournament on Honolulu and use my tickets. I reached out to StubHub and they said their fan guarantee doesn't cover venue changes, even though it's an entirely different city. I guess I'll have to accept having likely paid exorbitantly for these tickets. They said I could resell them and buy new tickets when they go on sale through the Tournament, but I'm very unlikely to get my money back.
Also, I asked how my "General Admission, East bleachers" tickets will be assigned in the new arena that has individual seats. StubHub had no idea. I've reached out to Maui to see what they say.
There is always hope a Rube from Kansas who might pay surge pricing as they advance if they convert these seats to bench seats.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 19, 2023, 09:21:53 AM
Well, he probably bought it from some dude, just through Stub Hub. So the seller got paid. Why would Stub Hub use their $$ to make the buyer feel better?
Not sure how the refund process works on the seller side, but I would think if an event is canceled, the seller has to return the funds. Stub Hub uses their own money to entice the buyer to take a store credit situation by offering 20% more than the purchase price, so there is precedent. If Bling couldn't go because of the new city, island, and venue, I would think he should have some recourse. The change of venue reason seems a bit of a stretch in this scenario. This sure seems to be a gray area, but perhaps it is clearly laid out in the terms, maybe it falls under force majeure.
If I was planning on buying and reselling, I personally wouldn't feel entitled to any sort of compensation, that's gambling. If I legit couldn't attend because the event is moved to an entirely different city on an entirely different island where I had to incur additional costs for flights, hotel rooms, transport, yeah, I might push back a little.
I'm envious they are going, what an event it will be!
Wads is right. Sellers get paid after the event occurs, but I don't think Stub Hub can just say, "well, we're going to refund a portion of what the buyer agreed to pay bc it feels right"..
But then again, there's probably an argument that as the buyer I'm not getting what I paid for and I want a refund. The games are now on a diff island and an arena near 5x the size of what the buyer paid for
i now say Bling should be refunded 100% and the seller can try to resell
I would define similar seats as any seat with the same proximity to the basketball court. It appear to me that any ticket purchased for the Lahaina CC should at the very least be no further back than 7 rows at the Stan Sheriff and no ticket should be placed behind either basket. In fact just by eyeballing the photos the entire Lahaina CC could easily fit on one side of the court at the Stan Sheriff. Everyone who bought a ticket for Lahaina should be guaranteed a good seat.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on September 19, 2023, 11:43:50 AM
I would define similar seats as any seat with the same proximity to the basketball court. It appear to me that any ticket purchased for the Lahaina CC should at the very least be no further back than 7 rows at the Stan Sheriff and no ticket should be placed behind either basket. In fact just by eyeballing the photos the entire Lahaina CC could easily fit on one side of the court at the Stan Sheriff. Everyone who bought a ticket for Lahaina should be guaranteed a good seat.
I disagree with this entirely. As someone who has been there in 2007, 2012, 2017 and was planning on this year, there are no seats in a 10k arena that are anything like the atmosphere at LCC. Proximity, sure, but not the same value for a ticket.
New location, new venue, presumably more ticket availability.....anyone have a clue what the "additional tickets" might be going for? I know the tournament announced to check back in early October, but it sure would be nice to start making plans now knowing the full picture.
I talked with the MU ticket office yesterday. They didn't know anything. They said they were waiting to hear from the tournament. I've also left a voice mail with the ticket broker I used (Epic Seats - I bought 3 tickets before the fires). I haven't heard anything back.
Quote from: Hallmarq on September 19, 2023, 01:27:12 PM
I disagree with this entirely. As someone who has been there in 2007, 2012, 2017 and was planning on this year, there are no seats in a 10k arena that are anything like the atmosphere at LCC. Proximity, sure, but not the same value for a ticket.
I guess we should play all our games at the AL instead of FF.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on September 20, 2023, 05:52:19 AM
I guess we should play all our games at the AL instead of FF.
🙄🙄🙄
Quote from: Hallmarq on September 19, 2023, 01:27:12 PM
I disagree with this entirely. As someone who has been there in 2007, 2012, 2017 and was planning on this year, there are no seats in a 10k arena that are anything like the atmosphere at LCC. Proximity, sure, but not the same value for a ticket.
This is why I always tell our kids that our women's seats are worth more than our men's seats.
4th row center court at the Al vs 20th row in the corners at the Budweiser Pavilion? Not even close.