Before last night, teams that posted an eFG% under 42% while allowing opponents to put up an eFG% of 57%+ were 0-120 in Big East games since 2008.
Make that 1-121.
https://painttouches.com/2023/02/16/notes-on-a-season-defining-win-over-xavier-marquette/ (https://painttouches.com/2023/02/16/notes-on-a-season-defining-win-over-xavier-marquette/)
Quote from: pux90mex on February 16, 2023, 02:21:58 PM
Before last night, teams that posted an eFG% under 42% while allowing opponents to put up an eFG% of 57%+ were 0-120 in Big East games since 2008.
Make that 1-121.
https://painttouches.com/2023/02/16/notes-on-a-season-defining-win-over-xavier-marquette/ (https://painttouches.com/2023/02/16/notes-on-a-season-defining-win-over-xavier-marquette/)
So, eFG% no matta? Incredible
A +21 opportunity index helps.
Is it concerning to anyone else that 3/4 (and 4/6) of our worst AdjO and ef% games have come since 2/1?
Nope. Just win baby!!
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 16, 2023, 04:50:51 PM
Is it concerning to anyone else that 3/4 (and 4/6) of our worst AdjO and ef% games have come since 2/1?
Yes, though last night I thought they missed a lot of good looks (the looks were better last night than in some of the other recent games)
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 16, 2023, 04:50:51 PM
Is it concerning to anyone else that 3/4 (and 4/6) of our worst AdjO and ef% games have come since 2/1?
Clearly the February fade. The W/L record reflects that.
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 16, 2023, 04:50:51 PM
Is it concerning to anyone else that 3/4 (and 4/6) of our worst AdjO and ef% games have come since 2/1?
We're finding ways to pull out games so far, but it could be our downfall at some point for sure if we can't course correct.
jesmu
I think the guys might be pressing or feeling the heat a bit. They have not played their best ball of late and need to clean things up. Not concerned, but would like to see them string together some better performances over next few games.
Yeah we only scored 45 points in the second half! Horrible!
Tower - obviously we're still winning most. But the trend is concerning to me.
Rico - Yes. Lots of uncanny open shots missed last night.
ATL - exactly. Can we count on the TOs and ORs in the future?
Goose - Agreed. Even if we just do a better job of making the open shots.
PBI - Did you read the article? Review the numbers presented?
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 16, 2023, 05:18:30 PM
Tower - obviously we're still winning most. But the trend is concerning to me.
Rico - Yes. Lots of uncanny open shots missed last night.
ATL - exactly. Can we count on the TOs and ORs in the future?
Goose - Agreed. Even if we just do a better job of making the open shots.
PBI - Did you read the article? Review the numbers presented?
Kolek- F%$k em
Quote from: Goose on February 16, 2023, 05:05:24 PM
jesmu
I think the guys might be pressing or feeling the heat a bit. They have not played their best ball of late and need to clean things up. Not concerned, but would like to see them string together some better performances over next few games.
I heard Shaka say this...and he also mentioned he felt they settled in as the game progressed.
I liked that they came out slinging from deep against G-Town...they did so against X as well...Jop and Kam missed a lot of good looks from 3. They have normal games...were in good shape...and I think they get back on track.
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 16, 2023, 05:18:30 PM
Tower - obviously we're still winning most. But the trend is concerning to me.
Rico - Yes. Lots of uncanny open shots missed last night.
ATL - exactly. Can we count on the TOs and ORs in the future?
Goose - Agreed. Even if we just do a better job of making the open shots.
PBI - Did you read the article? Review the numbers presented?
Scoreboard. ;D
Quote from: Goose on February 16, 2023, 05:05:24 PM
jesmu
I think the guys might be pressing or feeling the heat a bit. They have not played their best ball of late and need to clean things up. Not concerned, but would like to see them string together some better performances over next few games.
No, they're taking away MU's inside game and making us a 3 pt shooting team. Until we start hitting 3's like before it will work. But MU is due to go back to mean so rejoice!
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 16, 2023, 09:28:29 PM
No, they're taking away MU's inside game and making us a 3 pt shooting team. Until we start hitting 3's like before it will work. But MU is due to go back to mean so rejoice!
Well worded. Our inside game and 3-point game really need to be understood as interrelated, not "either-or". Jam us up inside, we'll shoot open threes. Camp out on the three-point line, and we'll have fun in the paint.
Very simple concepts admittedly, yet I think we sometimes ignore them here.
It's not the end of the journey, but when we look back on it in a few months and again in a few years, it will be this night that helped define the season program.
If you need an editor I'm available.
So what is our KenPom "Luck rating" after this game?
At Cintas: Lose by 4
FG% 3PT% FT%
MU 48 25 73
X 45 28 77
AT FF: Win by 1
FG% 3PT% FT%
MU 38 23 71
X 53 37 78
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 17, 2023, 06:53:08 AM
At Cintas: Lose by 4
FG% 3PT% FT%
MU 48 25 73
X 45 28 77
AT FF: Win by 1
FG% 3PT% FT%
MU 38 23 71
X 53 37 78
Need to include TO's and rebounds that was the key @FF, FT% no matta
The difference this year vs. the last several is MU is finding ways to win in Feb. without their A-game on Offense. This speaks to character and experience. Gotta give coaching credit as well. "Win anyway." The corny gimmicks i.e. dominoes are helping with these guys. Fun to watch.
jesmu84, in my opinion, the offense falling off is a byproduct of the Big East having a double round robin schedule and some really good coaches. There is a scouting report on every player, on every set. They know what MU wants to do and are scheming to take it away. So, MU's offensive efficiency has dropped and recent games have been slogs.
Every program that is early on becoming a serious contending programs have games and players that define and build that foundation. The X win will be remembered as a big program win down the road and Tyler Kolek as the guy who got started. I cannot stress enough how much Kolek has been the backbone of the program.
Quote from: tower912 on February 17, 2023, 07:06:57 AM
jesmu84, in my opinion, the offense falling off is a byproduct of the Big East having a double round robin schedule and some really good coaches. There is a scouting report on every player, on every set. They know what MU wants to do and are scheming to take it away. So, MU's offensive efficiency has dropped and recent games have been slogs.
I'd have to look at the stats, but I'd be interested to know if that's the case with our opponents as well.
If it was not, would it concern you?
21-6. Not much concerns me about this team. Conference play is supposed to be a meat grinder. While you are correct that the offense hasn't been as efficient lately, MU has found ways to win. That is good.
it is entirely possible and even likely that Creighton holds serve on Tuesday. That will not cause me worry, either. Beating a ranked team in their gym is a big ask. Don't get hurt, take in the process.
Finally, this. Three first year players, three second year players, three third year players. This is a very young team. As good as they have been, there are still lessons to be learned and growth to strive for. There will be flat spots. Not many so far, to be sure. Enjoy the ride.
jesmu
I am only going by memory, but it seems like we have seen more low scoring BE games across the board over the past few weeks. Again, I did not do any research, just going from memory.
Quote from: Goose on February 17, 2023, 08:16:04 AM
jesmu
I am only going by memory, but it seems like we have seen more low scoring BE games across the board over the past few weeks. Again, I did not do any research, just going from memory.
Butler has played some low scoring games the last few weeks that were of interest to us. Creighton-UConn was in the 50's. Think we had our eyes on those
Sorry for taking a Cole attitude but in the last two games against top competition MU was never in the game with UCONN and squeaked out a W at home against Xavier with last second heroics by O-Max. Just saying, if MU makes an early exit in the tournament, it is not like the signs weren't there.
Quote from: NCMUFan on February 17, 2023, 08:21:40 AM
Sorry for taking a Cole attitude but in the last two games against top competition MU was never in the game with UCONN and squeaked out a W at home against Xavier with last second heroics by O-Max. Just saying, if MU makes an early exit in the tournament, it is not like the signs weren't there.
So sorry they only squeaked out a win with heroics against a top team. I guess they need to win every game by twenty to drain the COLE swamp of fans.
Glad they won. But it sure wasn't the stomping that many on this board was predicting. Those my friends are the delusional ones.
Quote from: NCMUFan on February 17, 2023, 08:21:40 AM
Sorry for taking a Cole attitude but in the last two games against top competition MU was never in the game with UCONN and squeaked out a W at home against Xavier with last second heroics by O-Max. Just saying, if MU makes an early exit in the tournament, it is not like the signs weren't there.
Agreed. We are not playing our best at the moment.
Kam seems a little off ever since hurting his hip. His drives are not what they were earlier in the year. OMax has been struggling as well. Long season, tired legs maybe.
That UConn loss might be a one off and I hope it is but our offensive struggles for long stretches recently has to be concerning. The difference this year compared to past years is that this team finds a way to compete and make winning plays but in a 1 and done with additional pressure, you don't want to hang your hat solely on that. Hopefully we can right the ship and make some offensive adjustments.
If MU scrapes out a few more wins, finishes with a 23-24 win regular season, but does not get out of the first weekend, will that equal failure to you?
The Creighton game will be interesting. Would love to see Marquette competitive and would be awesome if they won. May be a good indicator of what we will see in the tourney.
Quote from: tower912 on February 17, 2023, 08:39:26 AM
If MU scrapes out a few more wins, finishes with a 23-24 win regular season, but does not get out of the first weekend, will that equal failure to you?
No season is a failure for me. I was a ProJo, supported Crean and Buzz. Will support Shaka and hope for the best for the team. It is just a game that kids are playing for our entertainment.
Quote from: PointWarrior on February 17, 2023, 08:28:51 AM
So sorry they only squeaked out a win with heroics against a top team. I guess they need to win every game by twenty to drain the COLE swamp of fans.
So Shaka passes the winning close games test. I can remember those 3 close games that Buzz won which could have gone the other way as well. The only stats we beat X on were rebounding, turnovers and of course the big one, points. I can only imagine the X board complaining that X lost that game MU did not win it especially if you look at the stats, which is one of my nit picks for SOTG. It is pretty much always the high scorer rather than the guy who got the most deflection, turnovers or got the most rebounds. We won that game on defense which always plays second fiddle to offense and our offense really sucked in that game.
We agree. As far as success vs failure, I expected this team to be slightly better than last year. Based on continuity, development, an 8-1 stretch and flashes of really good play from the returnees. Kolek against Illinois, OMax and Stevie against UNC, etc.
This team is better than I expected. It is possible some team has a day and upsets them in the tourney. I will be disappointed yet hopeful for next year. As you say, just kids playing a game.
Quote from: NCMUFan on February 17, 2023, 08:42:45 AM
No season is a failure for me. I was a ProJo, supported Crean and Buzz. Will support Shaka and hope for the best for the team. It is just a game that kids are playing for our entertainment.
I like this guy
Quote from: NCMUFan on February 17, 2023, 08:21:40 AM
Sorry for taking a Cole attitude but in the last two games against top competition MU was never in the game with UCONN and squeaked out a W at home against Xavier with last second heroics by O-Max. Just saying, if MU makes an early exit in the tournament, it is not like the signs weren't there.
Pathetic
Edit -
Quote from: NCMUFan on February 17, 2023, 08:42:45 AM
No season is a failure for me. I was a ProJo, supported Crean and Buzz. Will support Shaka and hope for the best for the team. It is just a game that kids are playing for our entertainment.
Nevermind, that explains it
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 16, 2023, 09:28:29 PM
No, they're taking away MU's inside game and making us a 3 pt shooting team. Until we start hitting 3's like before it will work. But MU is due to go back to mean so rejoice!
We're late in the Conference season. We are playing teams for the 2nd time. More tape= more scouting = lower efficiency. Games become slogs. I would like to see a Conference study on scoring early in the schedule vs. late.
We will be better in the Dance.
Quote from: tower912 on February 17, 2023, 08:00:34 AM
21-6. Not much concerns me about this team. Conference play is supposed to be a meat grinder. While you are correct that the offense hasn't been as efficient lately, MU has found ways to win. That is good.
it is entirely possible and even likely that Creighton holds serve on Tuesday. That will not cause me worry, either. Beating a ranked team in their gym is a big ask. Don't get hurt, take in the process.
Finally, this. Three first year players, three second year players, three third year players. This is a very young team. As good as they have been, there are still lessons to be learned and growth to strive for. There will be flat spots. Not many so far, to be sure. Enjoy the ride.
Big picture, you're correct of course.
Even for me, my preseason hope/expectation was just getting an at-large for the tourney.
Now, however, I'm looking at the details. The logic of your prior post - that the offense is suffering because of the round robin nature of a competitive league with good coaches - would be strained if all teams didn't see a dip as well.
Instead of watching the ball, watch the defense. What are they taking away? That is how I watch about half of a game anyway. Defensive rotations and weak side help.
MU had the most efficient offense in the country for a while. Defenses are focused on disrupting it. They have had some success, but MU keeps winning.
And BTW, MU's defense continues to improve.
Marquette got a lot of really good shots on Wednesday and just missed 'em. That tells me that even with the adjustments teams are making, they're finding ways to get what they want. Might not always be a primary option, but if Kam/Jop/Tyler are wide open from three it's not a bad consolation prize.
Biggest thing I need to see from Oso is when bigs play off and give him a runway, he needs to drive it right at their throats. Enough weak ass floaters or backing into a post move. That's giving the defense a win. He was timid against Nunge and can't afford to be that way against Kalkbrenner next week.
Quote from: tower912 on February 17, 2023, 09:18:57 AM
Instead of watching the ball, watch the defense. What are they taking away? That is how I watch about half of a game anyway. Defensive rotations and weak side help.
MU had the most efficient offense in the country for a while. Defenses are focused on disrupting it. They have had some success, but MU keeps winning.
And BTW, MU's defense continues to improve.
Thanks for the back and forth, tower.
But you don't seem to be answering my question or underlying point.
Let's go win the conference, regardless!
Regarding the offense, there have been some concerns against the top teams but I wouldn't worry much about the offense against Butler or Georgetown. Neither of those games were in doubt and Shaka played some weird lineups a lot of minutes in both games. I think he used those games to test some things out and get some guys some extra rest.
From the Atlantic quoting coaches about various Big East teams. This sums up MU's read the second time through conference.
QuoteMarquette
"They make a lot of shots, but they can also miss 10 in a row. In a one-game scenario, that could give them problems, especially without a true center. Oso Ighodaro plays the five, but he's really a four. You want to get him in foul trouble, because then they become really small. They're a good defensive team, not a great one. They want to take you out of everything you run more than stop you. They live off runs. You have to jam Tyler Kolek. Get the ball out of his hands. Make him beat you from outside. Kam Jones is not super athletic, but he's a very clever scorer with a green light. You have to be physical with Olivier-Maxence Prosper. He's not a great shooter, but he'll hit some daggers."
https://theathletic.com/4187415/2023/02/13/college-basketball-big-east-pac-12-sec/?source=user_shared_article
Quote from: Tha Hound on February 17, 2023, 09:01:25 AM
Pathetic
Edit -
Nevermind, that explains it
Take away Justin, Oso, Cam and Stevie and I don't think you are looking at winning seasons for Shaka.
But whatever gets you through your pathetic day.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 17, 2023, 09:43:37 AM
From the Atlantic quoting coaches about various Big East teams. This sums up MU's read the second time through conference.
https://theathletic.com/4187415/2023/02/13/college-basketball-big-east-pac-12-sec/?source=user_shared_article
Thanks for that. It really isn't different than what is said on scoop. It is interesting to hear it from an outsider.
Quote from: NCMUFan on February 17, 2023, 09:45:36 AM
Take away Justin, Oso, Cam and Stevie and I don't think you are looking at winning seasons for Shaka.
But whatever gets you through your pathetic day.
You're right. Shaka is only winning because of the stocked cupboard he inherited from Wojo. Facepalm. Wojo wasn't the lead recruiter on Oso, Kam, or Stevie (and I don't think Justin either.). Shaka had to re-recruit those guys to MU, they were free to transfer anywhere they wanted when Wojo left. The best thing that could have happened to MU and Oso, Kam, and Stevie was Wojo getting fired and Shaka getting hired.
Sidenote: Wojo's best asset was hiring recruiting aces as assistant coaches, and organizing lunch ball amongst them.
One thing in sales 101 you must not have learned it that it is much easier to keep a customer versus finding a new one.
Quote from: NCMUFan on February 17, 2023, 09:59:05 AM
One thing in sales you must not have learned it that it is much easier to keep a customer versus finding a new one.
It could come out that Wojo flat out texted every player saying "Shakas a good guy, you committed to MU the place not me as the coach, give him a shot!" and people would still $hit on him rather than give him an ounce of credit. Not worth your time to argue.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 17, 2023, 10:04:16 AM
It could come out that Wojo flat out texted every player saying "Shakas a good guy, you committed to MU the place not me as the coach, give him a shot!" and people would still $hit on him rather than give him an ounce of credit. Not worth your time to argue.
TY Galway. Yes, one thing on these boards that is easy to forget is that you are not going to change anyone's opinion.
Quote from: NCMUFan on February 17, 2023, 08:21:40 AM
Sorry for taking a Cole attitude but in the last two games against top competition MU was never in the game with UCONN and squeaked out a W at home against Xavier with last second heroics by O-Max. Just saying, if MU makes an early exit in the tournament, it is not like the signs weren't there.
I'm not gonna get snarky with you, just gonna implore you to look around at what's happening in the Big East and all of college hoops.
Even the top programs are losing to theoretically lesser teams or squeaking out close wins. I mean, if Houston has an early exit, the sign was there in their home loss to Temple; if Alabama has an early exit, the sign was there in their 100-point loss to Oklahoma; if Purdue has an early exit, the signs were there in their losses to Northwestern and Maryland; if Kansas has an early exit, the signs were there in their 3-game January losing streak.
And those are just the projected 1 seeds on bracketmatrix. Don't look at Marquette in a vacuum, take a look all around.
Shaka is doing a tremendous job, and all of the players -- regardless of who recruited them initially -- are working their butts off. Just enjoy the journey and don't worry too much about the destination yet.
I don't always buy into Shot Quality score stuff, but this one made me very glad Oso got that tip to fall.
ShotQuality Score
MU: 87
X: 62
Per SQ, MU wins that game 97% of the time. There were an absurd amount of misses that have been makes all season.
Or listen to Synergy:
Expected PPS: 0.95
Actual PPS: 0.84
Diff: -0.11
This was MU's worst shooting night by a country mile.
Lots to nitpick from the past 5 games, of course, and expect Kalk to drop on Oso just like Nunge did, which takes away all the cuts and doubles every drive. But I would not bank on Kam going 2/14 in his life again.
Quote from: NCMUFan on February 17, 2023, 09:59:05 AM
One thing in sales 101 you must not have learned it that it is much easier to keep a customer versus finding a new one.
Yes, you are correct about the above. Shaka has given credit and due to Wojo/the previous staff for their recruitment of Kam/Stevie (Shaka was actively recruiting Oso while at Texas). My post that was giving you sh*t was more from the perspective that it is likely Shaka would have filled those open slots (had any/all of Kam, Stevie, Oso left) with capable players and have us succeeding at a high level - though perhaps not this high - nor with players that may have been as likable as Kam, Stevie and Oso.
Though I hated Wojo, I was still a die-hard (but very disappointed) MU fan. So, respect to you for being a die-hard fan too.
Quote from: pux90mex on February 17, 2023, 10:15:58 AM
I don't always buy into Shot Quality score stuff, but this one made me very glad Oso got that tip to fall.
ShotQuality Score
MU: 87
X: 62
Per SQ, MU wins that game 97% of the time. There were an absurd amount of misses that have been makes all season.
Or listen to Synergy:
Expected PPS: 0.95
Actual PPS: 0.84
Diff: -0.11
This was MU's worst shooting night by a country mile.
Lots to nitpick from the past 5 games, of course, and expect Kalk to drop on Oso just like Nunge did, which takes away all the cuts and doubles every drive. But I would not bank on Kam going 2/14 in his life again.
Who got the tip?
Quote from: tower912 on February 17, 2023, 10:18:44 AM
Who got the tip?
Aw man, leaving that mistake in my shame.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 17, 2023, 10:17:50 AM
Yes, you are correct about the above. Shaka has given credit and due to Wojo/the previous staff for their recruitment of Kam/Stevie (Shaka was actively recruiting Oso while at Texas). My post that was giving you sh*t was more from the perspective that it is likely Shaka would have filled those open slots (had any/all of Kam, Stevie, Oso left) with capable players and have us succeeding at a high level - though perhaps not this high - nor with players that may have been as likable as Kam, Stevie and Oso.
Though I hated Wojo, I was still a die-hard (but very disappointed) MU fan. So, respect to you for being a die-hard fan too.
Sure, Shaka is doing a great job. No doubt about it. Let's give Creighton all they can handle! Go Marquette!
7-1 in the last 8 games. Pretty good for how poorly some think we're playing and how it projects out to our future NCAA failure. 12-2 in our last 14 as well.
Quote from: pux90mex on February 17, 2023, 10:23:52 AM
Aw man, leaving that mistake in my shame.
We have all been there. Thanks for your posts.
Quote from: NCMUFan on February 17, 2023, 09:59:05 AM
One thing in sales 101 you must not have learned it that it is much easier to keep a customer versus finding a new one.
Wojo sucked... get over yourself.
;D
Will do!
Quote from: tower912 on February 17, 2023, 08:00:34 AM
21-6. Not much concerns me about this team. Conference play is supposed to be a meat grinder. While you are correct that the offense hasn't been as efficient lately, MU has found ways to win. That is good.
it is entirely possible and even likely that Creighton holds serve on Tuesday. That will not cause me worry, either. Beating a ranked team in their gym is a big ask. Don't get hurt, take in the process.
Finally, this. Three first year players, three second year players, three third year players. This is a very young team. As good as they have been, there are still lessons to be learned and growth to strive for. There will be flat spots. Not many so far, to be sure. Enjoy the ride.
I posted this elsewhere, Xavier had 3 guys who were in their 5th season of college ball and another that was in his 3rd. This does not include Freemantle. Gives you perspective as to how young MU is.
Big difference with this year over last year is MU should have a much more favorable seed this season. The losses at Butler and DePaul likely cost a MU a legitimate chance of getting an NCAA last season. They have not shot the ball well of late but have found ways to win.
I would add, if many MU fans did not have the "past February fade" fear, I think there would be a more optimistic spin on finding ways to win with their B or C game. I am quite happy they found ways to win without playing their basketball. IMO, that was very good programs do on a regular basis.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 17, 2023, 09:55:39 AM
You're right. Shaka is only winning because of the stocked cupboard he inherited from Wojo. Facepalm. Wojo wasn't the lead recruiter on Oso, Kam, or Stevie (and I don't think Justin either.). Shaka had to re-recruit those guys to MU, they were free to transfer anywhere they wanted when Wojo left. The best thing that could have happened to MU and Oso, Kam, and Stevie was Wojo getting fired and Shaka getting hired.
Sidenote: Wojo's best asset was hiring recruiting aces as assistant coaches, and organizing lunch ball amongst them.
That's not what he's saying at all.
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on February 17, 2023, 10:35:34 AM
I posted this elsewhere, Xavier had 3 guys who were in their 5th season of college ball and another that was in his 3rd. This does not include Freemantle. Gives you perspective as to how young MU is.
And Nunge and Boum are in their sixth year of college.
Quote from: Goose on February 17, 2023, 10:41:17 AM
Big difference with this year over last year is MU should have a much more favorable seed this season. The losses at Butler and DePaul likely cost a MU a legitimate chance of getting an NCAA last season. They have not shot the ball well of late but have found ways to win.
I would add, if many MU fans did not have the "past February fade" fear, I think there would be a more optimistic spin on finding ways to win with their B or C game. I am quite happy they found ways to win without playing their basketball. IMO, that was very good programs do on a regular basis.
Yep. I agree this bodes well.
Now, anything can happen. Dwade and the boys lost first round the year before they went to the final four. They were a young and up and coming team. This years team is a young and up and coming team.
Who knows? I'm just going to enjoy the ride.
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 16, 2023, 04:50:51 PM
Is it concerning to anyone else that 3/4 (and 4/6) of our worst AdjO and ef% games have come since 2/1?
It is to me.
Quote from: tower912 on February 17, 2023, 10:18:44 AM
Who got the tip?
Perhaps Oso is a Jedi and he used the force to guide the ball to O-Max's right hand.
Quote from: MU82 on February 17, 2023, 10:06:33 AM
I'm not gonna get snarky with you, just gonna implore you to look around at what's happening in the Big East and all of college hoops.
Even the top programs are losing to theoretically lesser teams or squeaking out close wins. I mean, if Houston has an early exit, the sign was there in their home loss to Temple; if Alabama has an early exit, the sign was there in their 100-point loss to Oklahoma; if Purdue has an early exit, the signs were there in their losses to Northwestern and Maryland; if Kansas has an early exit, the signs were there in their 3-game January losing streak.
And those are just the projected 1 seeds on bracketmatrix. Don't look at Marquette in a vacuum, take a look all around.
Shaka is doing a tremendous job, and all of the players -- regardless of who recruited them initially -- are working their butts off. Just enjoy the journey and don't worry too much about the destination yet.
I won't speak for anyone else, but I'm not looking at things from a single data point.
Advanced stats have said our offense/shooting is trending down.
Let's hope it trends back up!
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 17, 2023, 12:18:58 PM
I won't speak for anyone else, but I'm not looking at things from a single data point.
Advanced stats have said our offense/shooting is trending down.
Let's hope it trends back up!
The shot quality seems to be fine though per this thread. They're getting good looks generally I expect these things to move to the mean soon.
IMO, the big difference in the offense is that it is taking longer to get a wide open shot. I still think they are getting open looks, just taking longer and not shooting as well. Prior to the past couple of weeks our best offense went in spurts, and it was a domino effect.
They have not had many 5-6 minute spurts of late and has slowed down the output. They had a couple against DePaul and Georgetown and scored in bunches. Scoring in bunches changes a game quickly and MU has done very well at that up until recently.
Quote from: Goose on February 17, 2023, 02:08:30 PM
IMO, the big difference in the offense is that it is taking longer to get a wide open shot. I still think they are getting open looks, just taking longer and not shooting as well. Prior to the past couple of weeks our best offense went in spurts, and it was a domino effect.
They have not had many 5-6 minute spurts of late and has slowed down the output. They had a couple against DePaul and Georgetown and scored in bunches. Scoring in bunches changes a game quickly and MU has done very well at that up until recently.
In the Butler game, the ball got stagnant on a lot of possessions.
In the Xavier game, it moved better and oftentimes, they got mismatches for the offense. OMax in particular should have been more aggressive but was never comfortable until late.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 17, 2023, 02:16:54 PM
In the Butler game, the ball got stagnant on a lot of possessions.
In the Xavier game, it moved better and oftentimes, they got mismatches for the offense. OMax in particular should have been more aggressive but was never comfortable until late.
It's the lack of aggressiveness. Feels like some players are a but hesitant to shoot. Shame because I think quick shot Omax is better than "has time omax"
Quote from: NCMUFan on February 17, 2023, 08:21:40 AM
Sorry for taking a Cole attitude but in the last two games against top competition MU was never in the game with UCONN and squeaked out a W at home against Xavier with last second heroics by O-Max. Just saying, if MU makes an early exit in the tournament, it is not like the signs weren't there.
And if MU makes it to the Sweet 16 and beyond, the signs were there as well. People see what they want to see. I see a team greater than the sum if its parts, who doesn't get rattled, and finds a way to win.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on February 17, 2023, 02:18:59 PM
It's the lack of aggressiveness. Feels like some players are a but hesitant to shoot. Shame because I think quick shot Omax is better than "has time omax"
I thought the same thing Wednesday night.
Quote from: lawdog77 on February 17, 2023, 02:19:09 PM
And if MU makes it to the Sweet 16 and beyond, the signs were there as well. People see what they want to see. I see a team greater than the sum if its parts, who doesn't get rattled, and finds a way to win.
All I want to see is the score at the end of the game with MU having more points than their opponents.
Quote from: tower912 on February 17, 2023, 10:18:44 AM
Who got the tip?
I think he was saying that tip was Oso important for us!
Quote from: avid1010 on February 16, 2023, 08:17:07 PM
I heard Shaka say this...and he also mentioned he felt they settled in as the game progressed.
I liked that they came out slinging from deep against G-Town...they did so against X as well...Jop and Kam missed a lot of good looks from 3. They have normal games...were in good shape...and I think they get back on track.
The key is Kam and Jop missed GOOD looks. He offensive sets, tho not as crisp as they have been with moving the ball, still got open looks for our guys. So, that is critical. Good shooters will have ogpff days but mostly will be good shooters. Keep getting open looks! Goo Marquette!