Wearing a brace today....
Quote from: real chili 83 on January 30, 2023, 10:08:13 AM
Wearing a brace today....
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Reported to me by one of my spies at the Al. Very dependable contact,
Quote from: real chili 83 on January 30, 2023, 10:25:06 AM
Reported to me by one of my spies at the Al. Very dependable contact,
Like a back brace?
Or like 4ever gave him a referral deal for his teeth?
Quote from: real chili 83 on January 30, 2023, 10:08:13 AM
Wearing a brace today....
A brace for a hip pointer? That's a new one.
Quote from: MUfan12 on January 30, 2023, 10:37:58 AM
It was a boot.
People have been clamoring for Chase Ross to get more minutes...there you go...got your wish.
Time for him to step out with the Jones's out.
More of a knee brace I hear. Maybe stabilizing the knee helps the hip?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 30, 2023, 10:41:55 AM
People have been clamoring for Chase Ross to get more minutes...there you go...got your wish.
Time for him to step out with the Jones's out.
For the record I am 100% confident in Ross/Joplin eating Kam's minutes for a game or so, but hopefully Kam is back ASAP! He makes this offense flow.
Welp, season was fun while it lasted
Quote from: real chili 83 on January 30, 2023, 10:48:45 AM
More of a knee brace I hear. Maybe stabilizing the knee helps the hip?
Smh. Terrible. Hopefully it's not long-term.
Quote from: real chili 83 on January 30, 2023, 10:48:45 AM
More of a knee brace I hear. Maybe stabilizing the knee helps the hip?
Chili 🌶️ knows metallurgic support
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 30, 2023, 10:59:58 AM
Smh. Terrible. Hopefully it's not long-term.
Why is it terrible? You don't even know the extent of the injury. Guys wear boots all the time after ankle injuries as a precaution. I'd be more concerned if he was on crutches.
Quote from: real chili 83 on January 30, 2023, 10:48:45 AM
More of a knee brace I hear. Maybe stabilizing the knee helps the hip?
I thought this thread was tongue in cheek until this follow up post. :(
Quote from: TedBaxter on January 30, 2023, 11:36:45 AM
Why is it terrible? You don't even know the extent of the injury. Guys wear boots all the time after ankle injuries as a precaution. I'd be more concerned if he was on crutches.
I don't know. Perhaps I am overreacting.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 30, 2023, 11:47:53 AM
I don't know. Perhaps I am overreacting.
Get out of here
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Kam and Sean are questionable versus Villanova.
https://twitter.com/bensteelemjs/status/1620207638251192320?s=46&t=Xko_BHKYjB3zoQQaaud6dA
Then MU's outlook for that game is questionable.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on January 30, 2023, 10:28:09 AM
Like a back brace?
Or like 4ever gave him a referral deal for his teeth?
Need to have them both heel quickly, but completely. Can't take chances
Rest them as long as it takes. Confident they win the next two with or without Sean and Kam.
Quote from: Goose on January 30, 2023, 06:36:25 PM
Rest them as long as it takes. Confident they win the next two with or without Sean and Kam.
Yep. Agreed. Take care of business the next two games and they get a week of rest.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 30, 2023, 11:47:53 AM
I don't know. Perhaps I am overreacting.
Ah......perhaps......but just this one time.
He was not "wearing a brace" he just isn't practicing this week. might play wednesday but sunday is more likely.
Love this site.
I heard he was sitting out in protest of only having one SOTG
Quote from: jfp61 on January 30, 2023, 06:43:10 PM
He was not "wearing a brace" he just isn't practicing this week. might play wednesday but sunday is more likely.
Love this site.
So he wasn't hit by a bus on Wisconsin Ave., after being shot in a typical MU campus drive-by-shooting? My sources suck.
Davante's uniform is packed for the upcoming road trip #donedeal
Quote from: jfp61 on January 30, 2023, 06:43:10 PM
He was not "wearing a brace" he just isn't practicing this week. might play wednesday but sunday is more likely.
Love this site.
That'll be tough considering we don't have a game Sunday. Simpler to ease back in that way, I guess.
Quote from: Goose on January 30, 2023, 06:36:25 PM
Rest them as long as it takes. Confident they win the next two with or without Sean and Kam.
I am not at all confident that MU will beat Villanova without those guys.
If they can't play, they can't play, but Nova was tough enough when MU was at full strength and Moore was not available. It would help if MU had another scholarship guard to fill some minutes, but without that it's a pretty thin roster. You can bet Nova will go to a lot of posting up to try to draw fouls or get easy baskets against players who are fatigued or can't afford to get into foul trouble.
Time to burn EE red shirt if neither can go?
I doubt they'd "rest" unless they are too injured to play.
If they are healthy, they play. If not, they don't. It's pretty simple.
If neither can go, they aren't burning a redshirt. These aren't season ending.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on January 30, 2023, 07:42:33 PM
Time to burn EE red shirt if neither can go?
I don't think EE can really go.
Eerily similar to 2018-2019 when Marquette started 23-4 and had the season derailed by a Markus Howard injury. Tough to have your leading scorer not at 100%.
Hopefully this is something Kam can quickly recover from and avoid having it linger. Time for a stretch run!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 30, 2023, 08:41:47 PM
Eerily similar to 2018-2019 when Marquette started 23-4 and had the season derailed by a Markus Howard injury. Tough to have your leading scorer not at 100%.
Hopefully this is something Kam can quickly recover from and avoid having it linger. Time for a stretch run!
I don't think you can make that comparison. Kam is great, but he's the 4th, maybe 3rd most important person in the starting lineup.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 30, 2023, 08:48:52 PM
I don't think you can make that comparison. Kam is great, but he's the 4th, maybe 3rd most important person in the starting lineup.
I'm not 100% certain this is true. I think it is, and I'd rank him as the 3rd most important. But there is going to be a lot less space on the floor without Kam out there.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 30, 2023, 08:48:52 PM
I don't think you can make that comparison. Kam is great, but he's the 4th, maybe 3rd most important person in the starting lineup.
Both leading scorers. Nobody on the team can put points on the board as consistently as Kam.
This team can find a way to win games without him, but if he's unavailable or not 100%, getting a protected seed and a matchup that can yield us a tournament win is suddenly more difficult and definitely less likely. Need him.
Not that I'm overly worried -- just curious.
This is the first time that I can remember MU having five walk-ons. Is one better than the others? Is there one who can play a few minutes when it matters (if needed)?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 30, 2023, 08:41:47 PM
Eerily similar to 2018-2019 when Marquette started 23-4 and had the season derailed by a Markus Howard injury. Tough to have your leading scorer not at 100%.
Hopefully this is something Kam can quickly recover from and avoid having it linger. Time for a stretch run!
I don't think so...if Marcus would have sat out a few games and gotten healthy, Sam would have had a few games to shine. We win at least a game or two and win the big east, don't play a future NBA all-star and get embarrassed in the first round and the letter doesn't get written...and sadly Wojo is still our coach.
So Kam sitting a game or two out to get healthy doesn't seem anything like that season.
Jonah Lucas is the Preferred Walk On (PWO).
Not sure how he'd play against this competition. Maybe as well as Rob Hanley in 2005 when Travis went down?
Next man up, hey?
We got this..shessss bunch of sissys
Quote from: mu_eyeballs on January 30, 2023, 09:31:09 PM
I don't think so...if Marcus would have sat out a few games and gotten healthy, Sam would have had a few games to shine. We win at least a game or two and win the big east, don't play a future NBA all-star and get embarrassed in the first round and the letter doesn't get written...and sadly Wojo is still our coach.
So Kam sitting a game or two out to get healthy doesn't seem anything like that season.
I've already said I think they'd be fine if he misses a few and comes back healthy.
The issue would be if it lingers.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 30, 2023, 09:32:18 PM
Next man up, hey?
The problem is that there is no next man. There's no freshman scholarship player who hasn't been getting a lot of minutes who can step in and play a larger role. It would be up to 6 players to do what is usually done by 8.
Quote from: wisblue on January 30, 2023, 09:57:49 PM
The problem is that there is no next man. There's no freshman scholarship player who hasn't been getting a lot of minutes who can step in and play a larger role. It would be up to 6 players to do what is usually done by 8.
7 players done by 9.
Ben gold is capable and willing. Start jop in for kam.
Chase picks up Sean jones mins.
Ben picks up more min.
And then Itejere can get in even if it's a few min to just help foul or be extra fouls if needed.
Quote from: fjm on January 30, 2023, 10:11:54 PM
7 players done by 9.
Ben gold is capable and willing. Start jop in for kam.
Chase picks up Sean jones mins.
Ben picks up more min.
And then Itejere can get in even if it's a few min to just help foul or be extra fouls if needed.
Gold played 3 minutes in the first game against Villanova and he has generally not played much more than that in the games against better teams.
I don't think he's ready to match up with guys like Dixon and Slater.
Villanova has had a good starting lineup but not much depth this season. With Moore back, if both Joneses can't play, Nova will have a depth advantage over MU.
If Joplin can make 8 of 9 3 pointers again MU should be OK.
If I had to guess, one of Sean or Kam will play on Wednesday. I'd lean Sean because he can still run and pressure with an injured wrist.
Much tougher for Kam to get up and down with his leg region being the issue. The depth on Wednesday should be good enough to give them a chance at a win.
Kam Tweeted this team is so much fun 2 Days ago.
https://twitter.com/csgkam/status/1619453740905558018?s=46&t=QyxTYM5ylzhSV2a5fUYomw
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 30, 2023, 10:53:17 PM
If I had to guess, one of Sean or Kam will play on Wednesday. I'd lean Sean because he can still run and pressure with an injured wrist.
Much tougher for Kam to get up and down with his leg region being the issue. The depth on Wednesday should be good enough to give them a chance at a win.
A chance to win? ::)
If Kam and Sean sit on Wednesday Marquette should still absolutely be expected to win.
That's not to say Nova couldn't beat us on the road but your comments make it sound like we're facing a typical Jay Wright Nova team.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 31, 2023, 12:21:35 AM
A chance to win? ::)
If Kam and Sean sit on Wednesday Marquette should still absolutely be expected to win.
That's not to say Nova couldn't beat us on the road but your comments make it sound like we're facing a typical Jay Wright Nova team.
Well we are now facing a Nova team with 3 starters from last years Final Four team, and that doesn't include Slater and the Top 10 NBA pick in Whitmore. This isn't Nova of the past 2 months either.
It is going to be a fun and entertaining ballgame whether they play or not though.
Lol. Y'all are worrying way too much. We aren't burning redshirts or giving walk-ons significant minutes. There are plenty of players left who can score significantly. We should win Wednesday regardless. And if we don't, there is still plenty of season left.
Quote from: jfp61 on January 30, 2023, 06:43:10 PM
He was not "wearing a brace" he just isn't practicing this week. might play wednesday but sunday is more likely.
Love this site.
"Castigate" unfolding on Scoop
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 31, 2023, 12:21:35 AM
A chance to win? ::)
If Kam and Sean sit on Wednesday Marquette should still absolutely be expected to win.
That's not to say Nova couldn't beat us on the road but your comments make it sound like we're facing a typical Jay Wright Nova team.
There are a lot of points in between "no chance to win" and "absolutely be expected to win".
IMHO, if both Joneses don't play, a game that was likely to be very competitive with MU at full strength would become significantly more difficult to win. I would see it as a tossup because we don't know how losing 2 of the top 7 pieces of the rotation (including the leading scorer) would upset the chemistry that the team has established.
Quote from: wisblue on January 31, 2023, 05:53:25 AM
There are a lot of points in between "no chance to win" and "absolutely be expected to win".
IMHO, if both Joneses don't play, a game that was likely to be very competitive with MU at full strength would become significantly more difficult to win. I would see it as a tossup because we don't know how losing 2 of the top 7 pieces of the rotation (including the leading scorer) would upset the chemistry that the team has established.
Sean is 8th in MPG at 12.7.
Chemistry was fine in the 2nd half against DePaul.
I'm not trying to discount either player missing time, especially Kam. Losing his scoring will really hurt and if both miss the game that really impacts our guard depth and puts even more weight on TKO to play a lot of minutes. Jop, Mitchell and Ross will all need to step up.
Kam did have a nice game last time against Nova with 14/3/3. Sean played 3 minutes and did nothing. Omax, Oso and TKO all had underwhelming performances based on what we've come to expect.
If they miss the game that obviously helps Nova but a few of you are acting like we're facing some kind of powerhouse at HOME tomorrow night.
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Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 31, 2023, 06:20:25 AM
If they miss the game that obviously helps Nova but a few of you are acting like we're facing some kind of powerhouse at HOME tomorrow night.
I would say that some people are acting like MU is facing DePaul with a few of their starters missing or a team that MU rolled over when they met the first time.
Quote from: wisblue on January 31, 2023, 06:33:57 AM
I would say that some people are acting like MU is facing DePaul with a few of their starters missing or a team that MU rolled over when they met the first time.
No one is acting like that.
Quote from: wisblue on January 31, 2023, 06:33:57 AM
I would say that some people are acting like MU is facing DePaul with a few of their starters missing or a team that MU rolled over when they met the first time.
I can't speak for "some people," but this people is acting like the team I root for is one of the best in the country and is playing at home. I'm acting like a fan who trusts Marquette's coaching staff and players to be able to execute their system even if 1 or 2 players aren't physically ready to play. I'm acting like someone who is choosing to be confident in his outstanding team rather than going into a game fearing the worst.
I'm also a realist who knows Marquette could lose this or any game, with or without the Joneses. Iowa State just blew a 23-point lead and lost to a team that was 0-8 in the Big 12; Houston lost at home to Temple; Alabama lost by 100 points to a bubble team. It's sports. Some Scoopers (like me and others in this thread) simply tend not to get pre-emptively freaked out.
Asking the sinners (gamblers), what's the line on the game? Vegas always knows.
My concern for the rest of the season has been injuries. I don't know what will happen. I don't know what adjustments Shaka will make if forced to. (Remember, the absences are hypothetical at this point) I know what I would do if I were coaching and both missed the game. I am going to sit back and learn more about the coach and team. Or not, if both play and play somewhere near their normal game.
I'll remind folks of the date tomorrow. The February Fade commences.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 31, 2023, 07:33:30 AM
I'll remind folks of the date tomorrow. The February Fade commences.
Can't argue with science
Missing a starter is part of college basketball and MU has been fortunate not to have any missed games thus far. They team has 22 games under their belt and have won games with subpar performances by several guys on multiple nights. If this team is a S16, or better, then they will find a way to win if guys are out. Not saying it will be easy, but they have enough weapons to win the next two at home, even shorthanded.
I view it this way--we have multiple players that can score in bunches and deep guard set. Losing one or both guards just makes us have to execute that much better. Can't absorb as much foul trouble or scoring droughts as we have less degrees of freedom.
That being said there is no reason we don't have the weapons to win a home game on wed. Seems like the chicken little mindset that Chicos used to bring is still around.
Frenns
MU needs a deep March run to make some of the chicken littles forget the past. Hopefully it starts in about five weeks.
So, let's start with some of Nova's advantages:
Moore is back. Whitmore is a star freshman who now has Moore to lure away defenders who were able to sometimes bottle him up. And even though we do not know if Kam and Sean are definitely out, let's assume that they are for the sake of discussion.
Now some Marquette advantages:
Joplin and Mitchell have proven themselves. It's crazy to write them off as if they are only a step or two above walk ons. Shaka vs. Neptune and Kolek vs. Arciodiacono- wow! Home court.
Tough game? Sure. But advantage still solidly Marquette. Do we have the game in the bag? Hell no! But a tossup? No way.
Quote from: fjm on January 30, 2023, 10:11:54 PM
7 players done by 9.
Ben gold is capable and willing. Start jop in for kam.
Chase picks up Sean jones mins.
Ben picks up more min.
And then Itejere can get in even if it's a few min to just help foul or be extra fouls if needed.
Hope the guys can go this week, but we have plenty of minutes, points, and rebounds on the bench to fill in while guys get healthy. I'm curious to see how the team responds, Jop getting the start, Ben getting more minutes, Stevie and Chase running the action out front. Sounds kind of fun!
Both Jones's are listed as "Questionable", not "Doubtful" or "Out", correct? Or has than been an update?
Quote from: nyg on January 31, 2023, 09:17:17 AM
Both Jones's are listed as "Questionable", not "Doubtful" or "Out", correct? Or has than been an update?
You must remember that Scoop immediately jumps to the worst conclusion possible. Injuries that cause players to be listed as questionable are legitimate reasons to worry about the season, burn redshirts and play walk-ons.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 31, 2023, 09:20:05 AM
You must remember that Scoop immediately jumps to the worst conclusion possible. Injuries that cause players to be listed as questionable are legitimate reasons to worry about the season, burn redshirts and play walk-ons.
I realize that and the number of posts, etc. believing they are not playing tended me to believe I missed something. That is why I asked if there was an update on the player's status from the "Questionable" announcement. Big difference from "Doubtfull".
Quote from: nyg on January 31, 2023, 09:17:17 AM
Both Jones's are listed as "Questionable", not "Doubtful" or "Out", correct? Or has than been an update?
I heard its "Questionable" that both can even get out of bed.
Quote from: nyg on January 31, 2023, 09:17:17 AM
Both Jones's are listed as "Questionable", not "Doubtful" or "Out", correct? Or has than been an update?
It hasn't been updated. That's why all of the discussion here starts with "if" both Joneses can't play.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-oqAU5VxFWs
In the thanks Mr Obvious category, it shouldn't be underestimated how big of an effect losing the teams leading scorer will have on Marquette.
We don't know yet if he will play tomorrow, but if he doesn't...
The number 1 offense won't be the number 1 offense in the country.
Marquette would be missing a 16ppg scorer, who shoots 49% from the field and 37% from 3.
In his last 9 games before DePaul Kam had 24,22,21,17,16,15,14,14,12.
That's good, very good, but more importantly it's a pretty consistent output of points.
We haven't seen a big like Oso at Marquette for a long time, if ever, and we haven't seen a pg like Tyler for a long long time, so those guys are easy to admire.
We've seen a lot of bucket getters/shooters at Marquette in the last 20 years. In that sense, it's easy for Kam to not get his due and to become undervalued.
He's also rebounding, assisting, and getting multiple steals in several games. The metrics might not show it, but he's battling on the defensive end.
He's playing 30+ minutes in nearly every game as a Sophomore.
Undoubtedly though, the other parts of his game might be mitigated by next man up. His offensive and shooting ability however, will be where Marquette will truly feel the sting. This team has a lot of strengths, but its #1 efficiency offense is far and away its biggest strength (much to all of our surprise!).
Missing Kam would make that offensive efficiency substantially worse, and it will be in that moment where we truly feel his value.
Quote from: nyg on January 31, 2023, 09:23:44 AM
I realize that and the number of posts, etc. believing they are not playing tended me to believe I missed something. That is why I asked if there was an update on the player's status from the "Questionable" announcement. Big difference from "Doubtfull".
There is absolutely
no good reason for Shaka to let Neptune know whether or not the Jones are playing. Keep him guessing so that he has to prepare his team for multiple scenarios, even if the additional preparation/practice time is not great. And do
we need to know (as if that info would not get to Nova in a half second)? No.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 31, 2023, 07:33:30 AM
I'll remind folks of the date tomorrow. The February Fade commences.
God hates MU, we are doing so well and don't deserve it. He forced the Kam injury to make sure we have a February Fade (even timed it so well you can't even argue against it).
Saw TK this morning in a walking boot. He said he's having sympathy pains with the Brothers Jones.
Quote from: DoctorV on January 31, 2023, 09:47:03 AM
In the thanks Mr Obvious category, it shouldn't be underestimated how big of an effect losing the teams leading scorer will have on Marquette.
We don't know yet if he will play tomorrow, but if he doesn't...
The number 1 offense won't be the number 1 offense in the country.
Marquette would be missing a 16ppg scorer, who shoots 49% from the field and 37% from 3.
In his last 9 games before DePaul Kam had 24,22,21,17,16,15,14,14,12.
That's good, very good, but more importantly it's a pretty consistent output of points.
We haven't seen a big like Oso at Marquette for a long time, if ever, and we haven't seen a pg like Tyler for a long long time, so those guys are easy to admire.
We've seen a lot of bucket getters/shooters at Marquette in the last 20 years. In that sense, it's easy for Kam to not get his due and to become undervalued.
He's also rebounding, assisting, and getting multiple steals in several games. The metrics might not show it, but he's battling on the defensive end.
He's playing 30+ minutes in nearly every game as a Sophomore.
Undoubtedly though, the other parts of his game might be mitigated by next man up. His offensive and shooting ability however, will be where Marquette will truly feel the sting. This team has a lot of strengths, but its #1 efficiency offense is far and away its biggest strength (much to all of our surprise!).
Missing Kam would make that offensive efficiency substantially worse, and it will be in that moment where we truly feel his value.
And I don't think in the history of time a single team missing a starter has beaten Marquette - so we have that going for us.
Quote from: PointWarrior on January 31, 2023, 10:23:43 AM
God hates MU, we are doing so well and don't deserve it. He forced the Kam injury to make sure we have a February Fade (even timed it so well you can't even argue against it).
The Ground Hog Day Eve curse; each season is a repeat of the previous season.
Why don't we just say the team has Covid and postpone the game.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on January 30, 2023, 11:44:59 PM
Kam Tweeted this team is so much fun 2 Days ago.
https://twitter.com/csgkam/status/1619453740905558018?s=46&t=QyxTYM5ylzhSV2a5fUYomw
In TN, this is code for , "oh sh1t, my hip is hella eff'd up, hope to be back by Nov"
Quote from: Jay Bee on January 31, 2023, 12:01:30 PM
In TN, this is code for , "oh sh1t, my hip is hella eff'd up, hope to be back by Nov"
Hip replacements take two years recovery...
No brace today for Kam.
Quote from: real chili 83 on January 31, 2023, 12:59:57 PM
No brace today for Kam.
I heard he had to pass it along. The team only owns 1 brace. Cost cutting measure.
Quote from: real chili 83 on January 31, 2023, 12:59:57 PM
No brace today for Kam.
I'm still gonna brace myself for the worst.
Quote from: real chili 83 on January 31, 2023, 12:59:57 PM
No brace today for Kam.
I just hope he isn't returning cause Scoop thinks all is doomed if he doesn't play Wednesday. Or because Jonah Lucas might steal his minutes.
Quote from: Herman Cain on January 31, 2023, 09:32:30 AM
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-oqAU5VxFWs
Herman, thanks for that. In the midst of all the handwringing I enjoyed watching that classis Mr. Jones!
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 31, 2023, 01:05:49 PM
I just hope he isn't returning cause Scoop thinks all is doomed if he doesn't play Wednesday. Or because Jonah Lucas might steal his minutes.
Lucas needs to get some minutes. Probably should be starting ahead of Stevie.
If you think Kolek and Oso work well together, you should see Jonah and Ben!
hey chili-someone here is saying your "reliable source" is a sac of excrement...what say you??
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 31, 2023, 01:05:49 PM
I just hope he isn't returning cause Scoop thinks all is doomed if he doesn't play Wednesday. Or because Jonah Lucas might steal his minutes.
My sources deep inside the program confirm that it's the bolded.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on January 31, 2023, 01:26:13 PM
hey chili-someone here is saying your "reliable source" is a sac of excrement...what say you??
::)
Chili knows ball and recovery from injury.
Relax everybody.
In Shaka We Trust.
We're doing well with his system and I have no doubt we'll do well tomorrow.
We will be fine!!!!!
Quote from: real chili 83 on January 31, 2023, 12:59:57 PM
No brace today for Kam.
No brace necessary after hip amputation.
Quote from: dgies9156 on January 31, 2023, 02:20:35 PM
Relax everybody.
In Shaka We Trust.
We're doing well with his system and I have no doubt we'll do well tomorrow.
We will be fine!!!!!
You're asking us to R E L A X on Frebruary swoon eve?!?
Quote from: romey on January 31, 2023, 01:06:39 PM
Herman, thanks for that. In the midst of all the handwringing I enjoyed watching that classis Mr. Jones!
Mr. Jones better watch out for this guy:
https://youtu.be/JKEItVNlYXI?t=30
Quote from: DoctorV on January 31, 2023, 02:24:33 PM
You're asking us to R E L A X on Frebruary swoon eve?!?
Note the 5 exclamation points- "We will be fine!!!!!"
translation: dgies is worried.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on January 31, 2023, 01:02:07 PM
I heard he had to pass it along. The team only owns 1 brace. Cost cutting measure.
Billy Packer was right
Quote from: MU82 on January 31, 2023, 01:24:15 PM
Lucas needs to get some minutes. Probably should be starting ahead of Stevie.
If you think Kolek and Oso work well together, you should see Jonah and Ben!
Some have said they are nicknamed "Jonah and the Whale"
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 31, 2023, 02:42:10 PM
Note the 5 exclamation points- "We will be fine!!!!!"
translation: dgies is worried.
Good Grief!
You guys act like Jim Chones just turned pro in mid-season.
Or Maurice Lucas entered the draft without telling anyone!
That's what you worry about. Not this crap.
Injuries are part of the game and we have a deep bench to deal with such events.
The only thing we have to fear ... is fear itself.
Until the NBA starts raiding in mid-season again, relax!
Vegas either doesn't think Kam and/or Sean matter, or knows they are both playing.
Marquette -9
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 31, 2023, 04:24:08 PM
Vegas either doesn't think Kam and/or Sean matter, or knows they are both playing.
Marquette -9
They saw that "14" by our name!!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 31, 2023, 04:24:08 PM
Vegas either doesn't think Kam and/or Sean matter, or knows they are both playing.
Marquette -9
They don't know ball
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 31, 2023, 07:33:30 AM
I'll remind folks of the date tomorrow. The February Fade commences.
The geezer is coming, the geezer is coming!!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 31, 2023, 04:24:08 PM
Vegas either doesn't think Kam and/or Sean matter, or knows they are both playing.
Marquette -9
T Rank projects Marquette to win by 13. Could be some injury uncertainty baked into that -9 spread.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 31, 2023, 04:46:18 PM
T Rank projects Marquette to win by 13. Could be some injury uncertainty baked into that number.
Moore coming back is also probably making an impact on that number
Quote from: dgies9156 on January 31, 2023, 03:05:50 PM
Good Grief!
You guys act like Jim Chones just turned pro in mid-season.
Or Maurice Lucas entered the draft without telling anyone!
That's what you worry about. Not this crap.
Injuries are part of the game and we have a deep bench to deal with such events.
The only thing we have to fear ... is fear itself.
Until the NBA starts raiding in mid-season again, relax!
Dgies...just pulling your chain. I agree with you. We'll be fine. !!!!! :D
Relax.
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 31, 2023, 04:45:52 PM
The geezer is coming, the geezer is coming!!
Punxsutawney Dgies hasn't seen a MU win live since Jim Chones left. Very worried.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 31, 2023, 01:05:49 PM
I just hope he isn't returning cause Scoop thinks all is doomed if he doesn't play Wednesday. Or because Jonah Lucas might steal his minutes.
As well he should, if you extrapolate Lucas minutes vs points from the last game he would be averaging 80 points a game if Shaka played him all 40 minutes. Nuts he isn't getting more run!
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 31, 2023, 02:47:21 PM
Billy Packer was right
He was way ahead of his time. Damn visionary, aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 31, 2023, 08:08:43 PM
He was way ahead of his time. Damn visionary, aina?
Yup. Marquette basketball can never be good as evidenced by this season. Between the crime, endowment, loss of sports, the mascot and the basketball team having no hope, you can't possibly be any happier.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 31, 2023, 08:13:17 PM
Yup. Marquette basketball can never be good as evidenced by this season. Between the crime, endowment, loss of sports, the mascot and the basketball team having no hope, you can't possibly be any happier.
you forgot Bud at the forum...
Line is down to 7.5. Kenpom has it at 12.
Good sign that Kam isn't expected to play. I'm sure Nova is receiving a bump with Moore back as well.
Quote from: dgies9156 on January 31, 2023, 03:05:50 PM
Good Grief!
You guys act like Jim Chones just turned pro in mid-season.
Or Maurice Lucas entered the draft without telling anyone!
That's what you worry about.
Why would we worry about Chones and Lucas? They are out of eligibility.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 31, 2023, 08:13:17 PM
Yup. Marquette basketball can never be good as evidenced by this season. Between the crime, endowment, loss of sports, the mascot and the basketball team having no hope, you can't possibly be any happier.
Write when people kept to their place it was better, scanners help
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 31, 2023, 08:13:17 PM
Yup. Marquette basketball can never be good as evidenced by this season. Between the crime, endowment, loss of sports, the mascot and the basketball team having no hope, you can't possibly be any happier.
Doin' da giddy dat #12 iz ded too, hey?
Quote from: dgies9156 on January 31, 2023, 03:05:50 PM
Good Grief!
You guys act like Jim Chones just turned pro in mid-season.
Or Maurice Lucas entered the draft without telling anyone!
That's what you worry about. Not this crap.
Injuries are part of the game and we have a deep bench to deal with such events.
The only thing we have to fear ... is fear itself.
Until the NBA starts raiding in mid-season again, relax!
great point dogs, could you imagine scoop finding out shaka just gave his blessings to tk, oso and Omax to go pro because he saw their empty fridge? they'd call for his immediate firing and beg for tanning bed to return
this is the exact scenario i spoke of back in one of my posts-who's gonna step up? i'm a firm believer in the "things happen for a reason". this may open the door for someone to show us something we haven't seen, the walk on cinderella story, the toscano in someone BEFORE they go pro. regardless, sit back and smell the basketball leather guys! things happen...
go warriors!
Only emptying of roster is if MU wins the Natty.
Is Justin Lewis still fresh in peoples' mind?
Quote from: rocket surgeon on February 01, 2023, 05:20:27 AM
great point dogs, could you imagine scoop finding out shaka just gave his blessings to tk, oso and Omax to go pro because he saw their empty fridge? they'd call for his immediate firing and beg for tanning bed to return
this is the exact scenario i spoke of back in one of my posts-who's gonna step up? i'm a firm believer in the "things happen for a reason". this may open the door for someone to show us something we haven't seen, the walk on cinderella story, the toscano in someone BEFORE they go pro. regardless, sit back and smell the basketball leather guys! things happen...
go warriors!
MU players are pros now, collecting a paycheck (except OMax and Gold). Chones would have remained in school in 2023. Times change.
Kam back in knee brace today (over the pants)
Sean with splint type brace on the wrist..
That is all.....
Quote from: real chili 83 on February 01, 2023, 11:41:44 AM
Kam back in knee brace today (over the pants)
Sean with splint type brace on the wrist..
That is all.....
Commence February swoon
nvm
Quote from: real chili 83 on February 01, 2023, 11:41:44 AM
Kam back in knee brace today (over the pants)
Sean with splint type brace on the wrist..
That is all.....
Outside what food service location?
Quote from: real chili 83 on February 01, 2023, 11:41:44 AM
Kam back in knee brace today (over the pants)
Sean with splint type brace on the wrist..
That is all.....
I think we'll be okay. It's time to get serious.
Quote from: real chili 83 on February 01, 2023, 11:41:44 AM
Kam back in knee brace today (over the pants)
Sean with splint type brace on the wrist..
That is all.....
Wait, I thought it was Kam's hip that was the problem.
Anyhoo, sucks that it sounds like neither will play. Good thing that we have athletes in excellent shape -- and that college basketball has a lot of long time-outs. My main concern is foul trouble; avoid that and I'm still very confident in our team.
Kam is missing from all prop bet options.
He's a No for tonight.
I want Kam and Sean to play, but I'll be just as excited if they don't.
Perfect day for Chase, Joplin, and Ben to get the minutes we've all been curious to see from them.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 01, 2023, 01:12:06 PM
I want Kam and Sean to play, but I'll be just as excited if they don't.
Perfect day for Chase, Joplin, and Ben to get the minutes we've all been curious to see from them.
Need Stevie to score again like last time vs. Nova.
Quote from: MU82 on February 01, 2023, 12:52:24 PM
Wait, I thought it was Kam's hip that was the problem.
Anyhoo, sucks that it sounds like neither will play. Good thing that we have athletes in excellent shape -- and that college basketball has a lot of long time-outs. My main concern is foul trouble; avoid that and I'm still very confident in our team.
Like I said yesterday, speculating stabilizing the knee helps the hip.
Quote from: real chili 83 on February 01, 2023, 01:39:32 PM
Like I said yesterday, speculating stabilizing the knee helps the hip.
Trueism. Helps decrease hip flexion which helps decrease swelling or worsening of a hip or sciatica like injury.
I'd guess bone contusion. Probably miss a week. But I'm not a doctor... just a lowly APP.
Quote from: real chili 83 on February 01, 2023, 01:39:32 PM
Like I said yesterday, speculating stabilizing the knee helps the hip.
Thanks, chili. I missed that.
Quote from: fjm on February 01, 2023, 01:52:42 PM
Trueism. Helps decrease hip flexion which helps decrease swelling or worsening of a hip or sciatica like injury.
I'd guess bone contusion. Probably miss a week. But I'm not a doctor... just a lowly APP.
That's ok. Most of the medical professionals posting here would prescribe leeches to get Kam ready
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 01, 2023, 02:07:10 PM
That's ok. Most of the medical professionals posting here would prescribe leeches to get Kam ready
Haha.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 01, 2023, 02:07:10 PM
That's ok. Most of the medical professionals posting here would prescribe leeches to get Kam ready
Or ivermectin.
Rub some dirt on it and apply duct tape.
Someone commented before about Ellie's growth. Watching him in the back of the huddles he looks as tall as Joplin, 6'7 1/2" ish. Hope he's recovering. Want to see him play next year.
I think Ellis is the plan if OMax goes pro.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 01, 2023, 03:56:46 PM
Two words for Kam:
Super Beets
I know a good beet farmer.
(https://www.sporcle.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/5-17.jpg)
Quote from: tower912 on February 01, 2023, 04:26:56 PM
I think Ellis is the plan if OMax goes pro.
I'm just excited to see him in game action. He looked explosive this summer. Really rooting for him
Still think kam might play if needed/tight game
Quote from: THEbig0 on February 01, 2023, 06:07:24 PM
Still think kam might play if needed/tight game
So,you think they will hold him,out all game and then play him lin the last 10 minutes if the game is close? ::)
I think not.........if he's healthy enough to play.....he will.play......if not he won't....
Sean Jones might be a bigger wild card.
His wrist injury seems like a bit of a mystery to them and he was playing through it until last weekend.
If he can play without risking further injury and too much discomfort, they might suit him up if only to be used in case of emergency.
Kam is warming up.
And Sean appears to be in non jersey apparel and OUT.
Kam is moving pretty well in warmups.
Cool
Quote from: TallTitan34 on February 01, 2023, 06:49:53 PM
Kam is moving pretty well in warmups.
Great news.
No announcement if he's playing or not?
Quote from: MuMark on February 01, 2023, 06:26:54 PM
So,you think they will hold him,out all game and then play him lin the last 10 minutes if the game is close? ::)
Why not? It worked on Coach when Bo Whitley won the Pineapple Bowl.
Quote from: DoctorV on February 01, 2023, 06:51:53 PM
Great news.
No announcement if he's playing or not?
MU tweeted Sean is out with no mention of Kam.
Don't believe your eyes. Kam is OUT tonight. He may never play the game of basketball again.
Quote from: DoctorV on February 01, 2023, 06:51:53 PM
Great news.
No announcement if he's playing or not?
More importantly.....no announcement that he isn't playing
https://twitter.com/marquettembb/status/1620948897781764096?s=61&t=tj4LNUUSLjnam6LBYxFmog
Quote from: TwoWords on February 01, 2023, 06:57:02 PM
Don't believe your eyes. Kam is OUT tonight. He may never play the game of basketball again.
He can still get his degree
Recovered quickly from the hip replacement.
Will be Stud of the Game tonight
Sank about five step back threes in a row in warmups
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on February 01, 2023, 06:53:34 PM
Why not? It worked on Coach when Bo Whitley won the Pineapple Bowl.
Thank you for this. ;D
Quote from: BM1090 on February 01, 2023, 07:05:17 PM
Sank about five step back threes in a row in warmups
Sweet!!
I am sure they have evaluated Kam closely and would not let him play at all if he wasn't cleared. Can't take a chance. So hopefully all is good - but maybe play him less? We will see soon Goo Marquette!
Quote from: JustinLewisFanClubPres on February 01, 2023, 07:20:52 PM
Thank you for this. ;D
I'm glad one other person understood this reference. :D
RUMOR: Kam Jones transported to Froedtert via helicopter at half.
Quote from: TwoWords on February 01, 2023, 08:48:41 PM
RUMOR: Kam Jones transported to Froedtert via helicopter at half.
Billy Packer was right if they're sending him Froedtert
Quote from: TwoWords on February 01, 2023, 08:48:41 PM
RUMOR: Kam Jones transported to Froedtert via helicopter at half.
They picked him up by his hip brace.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 01, 2023, 08:52:31 PM
Billy Packer was right if they're sending him Froedtert
Say what you want about Froedtert, but the team did a hell of a job on Kam. He's already back out there to start the half.
Thank God he played.
Marquette would not have won without him.
If the powers-to-be read this thread and a couple of others, and if they had it to do all over again when picking a nickname, we'd be the Marquette Chicken Littles.
Kam 4-4 from 2p range again, Dude's a wizard for only having one leg.
Quote from: MU82 on February 01, 2023, 10:19:21 PM
If the powers-to-be read this thread and a couple of others, and if they had it to do all over again when picking a nickname, we'd be the Marquette Chicken Littles.
Yeah, it was really unreasonable for anyone to think that this would be a competitive game and that MU might have been in trouble if Kam Jones had been unable to play.
Kam plays with such poise for a second year player. His ability to get to the hoop with those spin moves is incredible.
Quote from: wisblue on February 01, 2023, 11:20:17 PM
Yeah, it was really unreasonable for anyone to think that this would be a competitive game and that MU might have been in trouble if Kam Jones had been unable to play.
Of course that's reasonable. But the level of Debbie Downerdom was silly IMHO.
I'm guessing there were some folks (not saying you) just dying to say "I told you so," too.
This ain't past seasons' Marquette teams. Enjoy it and be confident.
Kam was playing with a big ole pad on his hip. Didn't seem to bother him.
Sean...it may be awhile. Going from testing it out before the DePaul game to street clothes is never an encouraging sign.
Quote from: MU82 on February 01, 2023, 10:19:21 PM
If the powers-to-be read this thread and a couple of others, and if they had it to do all over again when picking a nickname, we'd be the Marquette Chicken Littles.
I think that's the name of Marquettes kids club
Quote from: BLWarrior91 on February 01, 2023, 11:39:13 PM
Kam plays with such poise for a second year player. His ability to get to the hoop with those spin moves is incredible.
Those spin moves around the rim, especially in the 2nd half, whoooo boy. He got things going offensively with those crafty moves when the 3 wasn't dropping.
kam's a one on one nightmare for anyone trying to guard him...especially without a boot on, eyn'a?
Quote from: MU82 on February 01, 2023, 11:41:12 PM
Of course that's reasonable. But the level of Debbie Downerdom was silly IMHO.
I'm guessing there were some folks (not saying you) just dying to say "I told you so," too.
This ain't past seasons' Marquette teams. Enjoy it and be confident.
Can you give me an example of silly "Debbie Downerdom" in this thread?
I find it hard locate true pessimistic comments among the much more numerous absurd and "humorous" comments, like the ones that refer to broken legs, amputation, unable to get out of bed, etc. IMHO, that kind of crap makes the threads much more unreadable than some pessimism.
It is possible to enjoy the season and be confident while still respecting opponents (especially ones loaded with veteran players who have played on conference championship and Final Four teams) and not taking anything for granted.
I've never seen the need to act superior and ridicule people who choose a different way to follow their favorite teams. Different strokes.
Quote from: wisblue on February 02, 2023, 06:11:11 AM
Can you give me an example of silly "Debbie Downerdom" in this thread?
I find it hard locate true pessimistic comments among the much more numerous absurd and "humorous" comments, like the ones that refer to broken legs, amputation, unable to get out of bed, etc. IMHO, that kind of crap makes the threads much more unreadable than some pessimism.
It is possible to enjoy the season and be confident while still respecting opponents (especially ones loaded with veteran players who have played on conference championship and Final Four teams) and not taking anything for granted.
I've never seen the need to act superior and ridicule people who choose a different way to follow their favorite teams. Different strokes.
You must be fun at parties.
Quote from: real chili 83 on February 01, 2023, 02:51:18 PM
::)
When they apologize, or retract, the jokes will stop.
maybe.
Quote from: wisblue on February 02, 2023, 06:59:32 AM
I am if you enjoy adult conversation.
Obviously not fun
Quote from: wisblue on February 02, 2023, 06:59:32 AM
I am if you enjoy adult conversation.
::)
Or if I want to be put to sleep.
Quote from: wisblue on February 02, 2023, 06:59:32 AM
I am if you enjoy adult conversation.
what classifies as "adult conversation"? the stock market or porn hubs greatest hits? ;)
Awesome screen shot.
Kam Jones: The Smart Choice
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fn9-I5xagAIjgts?format=jpg&name=small)
Quote from: warriorchick on February 02, 2023, 10:03:00 AM
Awesome screen shot.
Kam Jones: The Smart Choice
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fn9-I5xagAIjgts?format=jpg&name=small)
Love it.
I also love that the bench does the rockabye baby whenever Kam makes those sweet moves in the lane.
Quote from: warriorchick on February 02, 2023, 10:03:00 AM
Awesome screen shot.
Kam Jones: The Smart Choice
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fn9-I5xagAIjgts?format=jpg&name=small)
His shot reminded me of the parachute drop, just waiting 8 seconds for it to land.
Hang time: 2.1s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWhgr0stmrQ&t=23s
I love that it was a shot more than a heave. He pulled up, jumped and took a longer version of his mile-high jumper.
Heck, it was only about 10-12 feet farther back than a few of his shots have been these last 2 years.
Quote from: wisblue on February 02, 2023, 06:11:11 AM
Can you give me an example of silly "Debbie Downerdom" in this thread?
Well, I'm not gonna go back and re-read all 8 pages, but here's a few from the first two:
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 30, 2023, 10:59:58 AM
Smh. Terrible.
Quote from: wisblue on January 30, 2023, 07:37:35 PM
I am not at all confident that MU will beat Villanova without those guys.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 30, 2023, 08:41:47 PM
Eerily similar to 2018-2019 when Marquette started 23-4 and had the season derailed by a Markus Howard injury. Tough to have your leading scorer not at 100%.
I was obviously using a little hyperbole with the "Debbie Downerdom" reference (but just a little -- if you want REAL Debbie Downerdom, go to the Finishing with a Flourish thread to read comments from all those worried about losing at Butler).
Look, if you want to say that Scoopers were calmly expressing mild concern about this game -- and the entire season -- even though nobody knew the extent of Kam's injury, that's OK. You're entitled and you can have the last word. Have a good one.
Quote from: MU82 on February 02, 2023, 11:18:25 AM
I love that it was a shot more than a heave. He pulled up, jumped and took a longer version of his mile-high jumper.
Heck, it was only about 10-12 feet farther back than a few of his shots have been these last 2 years.
I really wanted one of the reporters interviewing Shaka post-game to be a smart ass and ask if he plans on incorporating that as a regular play in the offense.
Quote from: MU82 on February 02, 2023, 11:28:50 AM
Well, I'm not gonna go back and re-read all 8 pages, but here's a few from the first two:
I was obviously using a little hyperbole with the "Debbie Downerdom" reference (but just a little -- if you want REAL Debbie Downerdom, go to the Finishing with a Flourish thread to read comments from all those worried about losing at Butler).
Look, if you want to say that Scoopers were calmly expressing mild concern about this game -- and the entire season -- even though nobody knew the extent of Kam's injury, that's OK. You're entitled and you can have the last word. Have a good one.
My last word will be to point out that your quote from me was lifted out of context and ignores that it was in direct response to someone who said they were confident that MU could win the next two games even without both Joneses.
I gave the reasons why I thought Villanova would be a tough opponent even if MU was at full strength, and did not make any assumptions about whether or not the players would be out.
Sounds like you are reading a lot of unstated negativism into some of those posts.
Let's just say I'm glad Kam Jones was able to play effectively last night because without his critical contributions a difficult game might have had a different result.