Anyone have an update on Emarion Ellis? I know he is not going to play this year, but was wondering how his recovery is going.
No medical information update, but that dude is 1-2 inches taller.
He was in work out clothes in the video with the little boy the team has sort of adopted. I have heard/read that he is working out, doing skills and drills, but no contact.
Like jfp, I have heard that he is taller and has filled out.
I asked him after a practice earlier this season.....he said it's frustrating.
Some scoopers assume he is the odd man out......I dont think so. He loves Shaka.
Quote from: We R Final Four on January 22, 2023, 12:03:57 PM
I asked him after a practice earlier this season.....he said it's frustrating.
Some scoopers assume he is the odd man out......I dont think so. He loves Shaka.
Odd man out is probably prosper. Dudes going pro.
Quote from: #UnleashSean on January 22, 2023, 01:20:12 PM
Odd man out is probably prosper. Dudes going pro.
Thats what I expect as well.
Quote from: #UnleashSean on January 22, 2023, 01:20:12 PM
Odd man out is probably prosper. Dudes going pro.
You're probably right about Prosper, especially if he graduates this year, but what about 6'9/10" Itejere? We hear so little about him and his future here.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on January 22, 2023, 01:48:17 PM
You're probably right about Prosper, especially if he graduates this year, but what about 6'9/10" Itejere? We hear so little about him and his future here.
Itejere is not ready to contribute.
I also doubt that O-Max goes pro after this season.
Ellis really looks up to Shake. I wouldn't expect him to leave unless Shaka tells him it is a good career decision to do so.
Quote from: Jockey on January 22, 2023, 02:05:22 PM
Itejere is not ready to contribute.
I also doubt that O-Max goes pro after this season.
Ellis really looks up to Shake. I wouldn't expect him to leave unless Shaka tells him it is a good career decision to do so.
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So if Itejere is not ready to play after two years on the team, will he be on the team next year?
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on January 22, 2023, 01:48:17 PM
You're probably right about Prosper, especially if he graduates this year, but what about 6'9/10" Itejere? We hear so little about him and his future here.
Itejere will solve our +1 scholarship issue. If he can't even see the floor after a redshirt year where MU is thin at the 4/5, I doubt he's here last this year.
Admittedly put speculation on my part though, no insider info or anything like that.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on January 22, 2023, 02:28:17 PM
Itejere will solve our +1 scholarship issue. If he can't even see the floor after a redshirt year where MU is thin at the 4/5, I doubt he's here last this year.
Admittedly put speculation on my part though, no insider info or anything like that.
Last season Nevada Smith said he was "the best athlete maybe in college basketball. He should be in the decathlon." With Keeyan's athletic gifts I have to imagine he could eventually be a very competitive track & field athlete, even if he's never formally competed before. MU has previously had both men's and women's soccer players as well as a volleyball player convert to T&F.
Any chance of a Wally Ellenson type situation, i.e. becoming a T&F scholarship athlete (competing in select meets) and transitioning to a basketball walk-on?
Of course this would have to be something mutually agreeable to all parties.
That is why I don't think Keeyan is leaving. I think he is the 4th most likely to leave. Maybe 5th.
Quote from: junglecat022 on January 22, 2023, 05:03:45 PM
Last season Nevada Smith said he was "the best athlete maybe in college basketball. He should be in the decathlon." With Keeyan's athletic gifts I have to imagine he could eventually be a very competitive track & field athlete, even if he's never formally competed before. MU has previously had both men's and women's soccer players as well as a volleyball player convert to T&F.
Any chance of a Wally Ellenson type situation, i.e. becoming a T&F scholarship athlete (competing in select meets) and transitioning to a basketball walk-on?
Of course this would have to be something mutually agreeable to all parties.
Can't do that. Otherwise you'd stash a bunch of basketball and football players on track and field scholarships and have them "walk on" to basketball and football.
Anyone seen Sacar?
Quote from: #UnleashSean on January 22, 2023, 01:20:12 PM
Odd man out is probably prosper. Dudes going pro.
What makes you say that? Omax is a really nice college player, but I don't see him getting anything more than a cup of coffee in the nba.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 22, 2023, 05:36:50 PM
What makes you say that? Omax is a really nice college player, but I don't see him getting anything more than a cup of coffee in the nba.
You're saying that because he had a bad game.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on January 22, 2023, 06:04:31 PM
You're saying that because he had a bad game.
OMax isn't on any draft boards. He is a draft prospect however.
Each player is going to make their OWN decision, but don't think he didn't see what happened to Justin last year.
He'll for sure go through the process.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on January 22, 2023, 05:36:50 PM
What makes you say that? Omax is a really nice college player, but I don't see him getting anything more than a cup of coffee in the nba.
He's definitely a prospect but outside shooting is nowhere near it needs to be for a team to even take a flier on him. Vander was a much more complete player and didn't get drafted and barely got a sniff.
However - G League is much more of a viable option than it was years ago. "Going pro" doesn't mean what it did even four years ago.
Quote from: panda on January 22, 2023, 06:31:28 PM
He's definitely a prospect but outside shooting is nowhere near it needs to be for a team to even take a flier on him. Vander was a much more complete player and didn't get drafted and barely got a sniff.
However - G League is much more of a viable option than it was years ago. "Going pro" doesn't mean what it did even four years ago.
To be fair, O-Max is about 4 inches taller than Vander. He does need to improve his three point shot but he at least has a chance. Vander never did, which is why it was so frustrating when he left early.
Quote from: junglecat022 on January 22, 2023, 05:03:45 PM
Last season Nevada Smith said he was "the best athlete maybe in college basketball. He should be in the decathlon." With Keeyan's athletic gifts I have to imagine he could eventually be a very competitive track & field athlete, even if he's never formally competed before. MU has previously had both men's and women's soccer players as well as a volleyball player convert to T&F.
Any chance of a Wally Ellenson type situation, i.e. becoming a T&F scholarship athlete (competing in select meets) and transitioning to a basketball walk-on?
Of course this would have to be something mutually agreeable to all parties.
Better chance that Shaka adopts him.
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on January 22, 2023, 06:42:03 PM
To be fair, O-Max is about 4 inches taller than Vander. He does need to improve his three point shot but he at least has a chance. Vander never did, which is why it was so frustrating when he left early.
To be fair - they play different positions so height difference between the two is irrelevant. Omax more height appropriate for his position at the next level, but vander was grossly undersized. Lack of shooting held him back.
Quote from: panda on January 22, 2023, 06:31:28 PM
He's definitely a prospect but outside shooting is nowhere near it needs to be for a team to even take a flier on him. Vander was a much more complete player and didn't get drafted and barely got a sniff.
However - G League is much more of a viable option than it was years ago. "Going pro" doesn't mean what it did even four years ago.
G league salary is 40K, he will do better at MU with no expenses.
Quote from: BCHoopster on January 22, 2023, 06:53:31 PM
G league salary is 40K, he will do better at MU with no expenses.
Development and competition is much higher than college game. Personal decision with +s and -s to each.
Quote from: panda on January 22, 2023, 06:59:11 PM
Development and competition is much higher than college game. Personal decision with +s and -s to each.
Much more of a grind.
Small crowds, limited money, limited minutes. Feels like your playing strictly for yourself as game results don't really matter. Some guys are fine with all of that. Depends on the player.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 22, 2023, 07:05:49 PM
Much more of a grind.
Small crowds, limited money, limited minutes. Feels like your playing strictly for yourself as game results don't really matter. Some guys are fine with all of that. Depends on the player.
Aka personal preference
Four years at Marquette will always be cherished.
Quote from: panda on January 22, 2023, 06:51:37 PM
To be fair - they play different positions so height difference between the two is irrelevant. Omax more height appropriate for his position at the next level, but vander was grossly undersized. Lack of shooting held him back.
So the height difference is irrelevant but Vander was grossly undersized? I don't follow.
O-Max's height gives him a shot that Vander never had.
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on January 22, 2023, 07:13:55 PM
So the height difference is irrelevant but Vander was grossly undersized? I don't follow.
O-Max's height gives him a shot that Vander never had.
*wasnt - my mistake.
Vander is 6'5 which is normal for a guard. Omax is 6'8 which is normal for a forward. Guess I don't really understand why comparing their heights is relevant .
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on January 22, 2023, 06:04:31 PM
You're saying that because he had a bad game.
Lol, no. He's not nearly talented enough to get minutes in the nba. Not big enough to play on the front court and not talented enough ball handler to play the 2/3.
Don't get me wrong, Omax is a great BBall player. I think he'll play some in the nba. But he's not getting drafted after this season.
IF everyone returns next season. Sprinkle in the freshmen reinforcements. A preseason top 10 ranking, imo.
Quote from: tower912 on January 22, 2023, 05:06:02 PM
That is why I don't think Keeyan is leaving. I think he is the 4th most likely to leave. Maybe 5th.
Who are your top 5?
Quote from: junglecat022 on January 22, 2023, 05:03:45 PM
Last season Nevada Smith said he was "the best athlete maybe in college basketball. He should be in the decathlon." With Keeyan's athletic gifts I have to imagine he could eventually be a very competitive track & field athlete, even if he's never formally competed before. MU has previously had both men's and women's soccer players as well as a volleyball player convert to T&F.
Any chance of a Wally Ellenson type situation, i.e. becoming a T&F scholarship athlete (competing in select meets) and transitioning to a basketball walk-on?
Of course this would have to be something mutually agreeable to all parties.
You have the wallu situation backwards. He was a scholarship basketball player and a track and field walk on. What you're describing is a ncaa violation
Quote from: junglecat022 on January 22, 2023, 05:03:45 PM
Last season Nevada Smith said he was "the best athlete maybe in college basketball. He should be in the decathlon." With Keeyan's athletic gifts I have to imagine he could eventually be a very competitive track & field athlete, even if he's never formally competed before. MU has previously had both men's and women's soccer players as well as a volleyball player convert to T&F.
Any chance of a Wally Ellenson type situation, i.e. becoming a T&F scholarship athlete (competing in select meets) and transitioning to a basketball walk-on?
Of course this would have to be something mutually agreeable to all parties.
Shaka could adopt Keeyan....
Quote from: BCHoopster on January 22, 2023, 06:53:31 PM
G league salary is 40K, he will do better at MU with no expenses.
What about the Euro League? He can make decent money there.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 23, 2023, 05:38:24 AM
What about the Euro League? He can make decent money there.
Maybe so, but if the NBA is his goal then heading to Euro League doesn't do him better than College would for exposure.
He was part of the NBA Global Academy so I assume the NBA is what he is working towards but that is just a guess.
Quote from: BCHoopster on January 22, 2023, 06:53:31 PM
G league salary is 40K, he will do better at MU with no expenses.
and a two-way deal is $500K
https://www.blazersedge.com/2022/6/18/23173926/nba-two-way-contracts-rules-salary-2022-23-nba-season
"The system benefits undrafted players, who get a chance at a substantial salary and team affiliation above and beyond G League norms."
OMax is basically a perfect fit for the 2-way, all upside nearly no downside for the team
This is what Justin got after going undrafted, pretty good consolation prize
So could ellis be as tall as 6'6 then?
Quote from: Silkk the Shaka on January 24, 2023, 11:41:50 AM
This is what Justin got after going undrafted, pretty good consolation prize
Except he's not on a two way deal
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 22, 2023, 06:23:33 PM
OMax isn't on any draft boards. He is a draft prospect however.
Each player is going to make their OWN decision, but don't think he didn't see what happened to Justin last year.
He'll for sure go through the process.
Justin signed a two way with the Bulls within minutes of the draft ending. In today's modern NBA that's a draft night success story. Justin the success story, not some cautionary tale.
Wasn't Justin cut from his two way after his ACL injury? I'd call that cautionary....
Quote from: thebigjake on January 24, 2023, 01:20:39 PM
Wasn't Justin cut from his two way after his ACL injury? I'd call that cautionary....
I don't subscribe to the belief that more time in college moves guys up the draft board, especially nowadays when so much is based on potential. Many 2nd rounders get two-ways anyways. Injuries are always a risk but Justin accomplished his goal, a team secured his rights on draft night.
Quote from: Jay Bee on January 24, 2023, 12:10:07 PM
Except he's not on a two way deal
yes thank you he was released after tearing his ACL. Was still signed to one prior to a catastrophic injury. What I'm saying is two-way deals are much better options nowadays than a $40k G-league salary which a lot of people think is the only option besides Europe if you don't get drafted.
Quote from: The Lens on January 24, 2023, 01:52:45 PM
I don't subscribe to the belief that more time in college moves guys up the draft board, especially nowadays when so much is based on potential. Many 2nd rounders get two-ways anyways. Injuries are always a risk but Justin accomplished his goal, a team secured his rights on draft night.
i think you are mostly right about staying in college does not move you up the draft board. However, I think it makes it more likely you are going to play in NBA. Players like Sam Hauser and Markus Howard were never going to get drafted, but staying four years help them get into the NBA. I think this is where Oso and Omax fall. They are not going to get drafted no matter when they leave, but will get time in NBA, if they continue to work on their games.
Staying in college can definitely move you up the draft board. Jaden Ivey, Bennedict Mathurin, Ochai Agbaji could've been 2nd round draft picks in 2021 that came back and were lottery picks in 2022. There are a number of players every year that jump up the board by staying in school when they were projected to be 2nd round picks.
Is Ellis fully recovered and is he 6'6" now?