Just saying....enjoy the ride
I believe MU will be a 4 seed or better come March!
yet lost to Kenpom #54...
Quote from: 82fanatic on January 07, 2023, 07:39:01 PM
I believe MU will be a 4 seed or better come March!
Little early for this, but I like your optimism
Point
What is the point of noting we lost to #54?
Quote from: Goose on January 07, 2023, 08:26:05 PM
Point
What is the point of noting we lost to #54?
He doesn't think much of KenPom
Pointing out the crapty loss - we had no business losing to Bucky this year.
And KenPom does suck less this year as he somehow has the Badgers at 54 this year, normally they would be top 10 with their record.
Quote from: Goose on January 07, 2023, 08:26:05 PM
Point
What is the point of noting we lost to #54?
Quote from: PointWarrior on January 07, 2023, 10:15:09 PM
Pointing out the crapty loss - we had no business losing to Bucky this year.
Thanks. Most Scoopers were unaware of that loss.
When we win our Sweet 16 game, you can point it out again.
Sure, as long as we don't lose to Bucky in the tourney.
Quote from: MU82 on January 07, 2023, 10:18:53 PM
Thanks. Most Scoopers were unaware of that loss.
When we win our Sweet 16 game, you can point it out again.
Missing the message in all this - does anyone think Kenpom analytics has it right with Marquette at 15 and a one loss big ten team who beat Marquette on the road at 54 and has fewer losses?
Don't get me wrong - I hate Bucky, but Kenpom....
Quote from: PointWarrior on January 07, 2023, 11:07:42 PM
Missing the message in all this - does anyone think Kenpom analytics has it right with Marquette at 15 and a one loss big ten team who beat Marquette on the road at 54 and has fewer losses?
Don't get me wrong - I hate Bucky, but Kenpom....
KenPom is efficiency based. Theres no right or wrong with KenPom, it is just results.
Quote from: PointWarrior on January 07, 2023, 11:07:42 PM
Missing the message in all this - does anyone think Kenpom analytics has it right with Marquette at 15 and a one loss big ten team who beat Marquette on the road at 54 and has fewer losses?
Don't get me wrong - I hate Bucky, but Kenpom....
TRank, which was created by a UW alum, has MU 14th and UW 64th. The computers all like MU more than UW. It's not surprising.
Wisconsin is 6-2 in games decided by 5 points or less. Badgers are 5-1 in games decided by 10 points or more.
Marquette is 1-4 in games decided by 5 points or less, but 12-0 in games decided by 10 points or more.
(Weird coincidence that neither team has had game decided by 6-9 points.)
Wisconsin has mostly been scraping by, has won 75% of their close games, and looks like a paper tiger. Projected record 19-11 (11-9 in B1G).
Marquette has been mostly cruising, but has won only 20% of our close games. Even without much success in close games, MU has a better projected record. Projected record 22-9 (14-6 in BE).
Kenpom projections? I hate Bucky but they will be way better than 11-9 in the Big 10-12-14-16...
I hope they are a paper tiger, but still sucks we lost to a paper tiger....
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 08, 2023, 12:06:33 AM
Wisconsin is 6-2 in games decided by 5 points or less. Badgers are 5-1 in games decided by 10 points or more.
Marquette is 1-4 in games decided by 5 points or less, but 12-0 in games decided by 10 points or more.
(Weird coincidence that neither team has had game decided by 6-9 points.)
Wisconsin has mostly been scraping by, has won 75% of their close games, and looks like a paper tiger. Projected record 19-11 (11-9 in B1G).
Marquette has been mostly cruising, but has won only 20% of our close games. Even without much success in close games, MU has a better projected record. Projected record 22-9 (14-6 in BE).
Quote from: PointWarrior on January 07, 2023, 11:07:42 PM
Missing the message in all this - does anyone think Kenpom analytics has it right with Marquette at 15 and a one loss big ten team who beat Marquette on the road at 54 and has fewer losses?
Don't get me wrong - I hate Bucky, but Kenpom....
Yes
Quote from: PointWarrior on January 08, 2023, 12:09:33 AM
Kenpom projections? I hate Bucky but they will be way better than 11-9 in the Big 10-12-14-16...
I hope they are a paper tiger, but still suck we lost to a paper tiger....
T rank projections, but all of the computer models are pretty close for W-L record. Badgers are projected to have a lot of close games. 15 of their remaining 16 games have a spread of +/-6. Nine of those spreads are within 3 points.
If the Badgers keep winning close games at a very high rate, they could get to 21 or 22 wins. But if the ball doesn't bounce there way, then 17 wins isn't out of the question.
And yes it does suck to have lost to those paper tigers.
Quote from: PointWarrior on January 07, 2023, 11:07:42 PM
Missing the message in all this - does anyone think Kenpom analytics has it right with Marquette at 15 and a one loss big ten team who beat Marquette on the road at 54 and has fewer losses?
Don't get me wrong - I hate Bucky, but Kenpom....
You sound like a Providence fan.
Point, why do you keep posting above the quote? You are the only poster doing that.
Fart noise
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 08, 2023, 07:04:02 AM
Point, why do you keep posting above the quote? You are the only poster doing that.
Quote from: PointWarrior on January 07, 2023, 10:15:09 PM
Pointing out the crapty loss - we had no business losing to Bucky this year.
And KenPom does suck less this year as he somehow has the Badgers at 54 this year, normally they would be top 10 with their record.
You don't understand how KenPom's site works, haven't taken the time to learn or read how it works from the thousands of posts here. At this point, that ignorance is on you.
Arizona is currently 5th in the AP poll and just lost to Washington State who is 7-10 now with a loss to Prairie View A&M on its ledger. Good teams lose to good teams, mediocre teams and lousy teams. That's why they play the games
T-Rank's computer has a better eye than KenPom's computer this season.
Quote from: PointWarrior on January 07, 2023, 11:07:42 PM
Missing the message in all this - does anyone think Kenpom analytics has it right with Marquette at 15 and a one loss big ten team who beat Marquette on the road at 54 and has fewer losses?
Don't get me wrong - I hate Bucky, but Kenpom....
The best people in the world discuss and put out point spreads on a daily basis...for sportsbooks around the world...and they ALL lost to KenPom. They now mimic KenPom...if someone is better than KenPom that person is going to printing money.
Is it not semantically correct to post above the quote?
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 08, 2023, 07:04:02 AM
Point, why do you keep posting above the quote? You are the only poster doing that.
Funny - I know I had posts in the beginning of the year that said KenPom and Value Add are taken so seriously by the basketball know it alls that we don't even have to play the games anymore.
Well aware of how KenPom works...
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 08, 2023, 08:15:18 AM
You don't understand how KenPom's site works, haven't taken the time to learn or read how it works from the thousands of posts here. At this point, that ignorance is on you.
Arizona is currently 5th in the AP poll and just lost to Washington State who is 7-10 now with a loss to Prairie View A&M on its ledger. Good teams lose to good teams, mediocre teams and lousy teams. That's why they play the games
Now at 15 after todays action..highest we've been since the 2003 team.
And Ken Pom is a God. PointWarrior seems to have uncloaked himself as a closet Badger fan.
So betting retirement funds on kenpom predictions is a good plan then?
Quote from: pbiflyer on January 08, 2023, 07:14:27 PM
So betting retirement funds on kenpom predictions is a good plan then?
Many people made millions off of KenPom early on...you can't bet on his predictions...they are literally the odds. Safe to say you can likely bet either side...hit 50%...and the books will take the juice.
Quote from: PointWarrior on January 08, 2023, 04:49:56 PM
Is it not semantically correct to post above the quote?
It upsets nit pickers - everyone else couldn't care less.
Point Warrior=Nolonger Warriors
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 08, 2023, 08:32:38 PM
It upsets nit pickers - everyone else couldn't care less.
You think I'm upset about it? 😂😂😂
Really? Cause I hate losing to the Badgers? Cause I dislike KenPom? Love the Shaka hire, always have.
Have I ever uttered anything even close to any repeated hatred of Marquette and Shaka nolonger posts?? Please show me...
Quote from: Fred Garvin on January 08, 2023, 08:33:57 PM
Point Warrior=Nolonger Warriors
Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 08, 2023, 06:43:35 PM
Now at 15 after todays action..highest we've been since the 2003 team.
That's kind of wild. Does anyone know how high the Amigos got their senior year?
Duplicate post
Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 08, 2023, 06:43:35 PM
Now at 15 after todays action..highest we've been since the 2003 team.
And Ken Pom is a God. PointWarrior seems to have uncloaked himself as a closet Badger fan.
We were up to 6th in 2011 on two separate occasions. After winning @ Wisconsin and beating UWGB at home.
Quote from: BM1090 on January 08, 2023, 09:11:10 PM
We were up to 6th in 2011 on two separate occasions. After winning @ Wisconsin and beating UWGB at home.
Ahh...good catch. That aside it is pretty remarkable to think that in Year 2 of Shaka we are in KenPom territory we've only been in twice since the inception of Ken Pom in 2002.
Quote from: BM1090 on January 08, 2023, 12:05:25 AM
TRank, which was created by a UW alum, has MU 14th and UW 64th. The computers all like MU more than UW. It's not surprising.
Yep, when almost all of your wins are by double digits and one of your close losses had a likely anomaly with Providence taking 30 more FTs than MU, it definitely makes sense that the computer rankings would like MU vs their record.
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 08, 2023, 08:55:28 PM
That's kind of wild. Does anyone know how high the Amigos got their senior year?
They finished 19.
I don't think there is a way to check but I assume the peak would have been when they were 20-2 (9-0) or 23-4 (12-2).
The first kenpom season you can check what teams were ranked at game time is 2009-10.
Missed it by a year.
Quote from: statnik on January 08, 2023, 10:51:38 PM
Yep, when almost all of your wins are by double digits and one of your close losses had a likely anomaly with Providence taking 30 more FTs than MU, it definitely makes sense that the computer rankings would like MU vs their record.
Yea that was anomalous indeed, but not all too crazy for this Providence team, especially when they go up against a Marquette team that can be pretty anemic with getting to the line at times.
Providence just this week shot 16 more free throws, and made 19 more, than UConn who is massive inside.
They also shot 14 more, and made 10 more, than StJ.
Meanwhile, Georgetown, yes THAT Georgetown, shot 15 more free throws than Marquette at FiServ.
So, it seems that getting to the line is part of Providences gameplan, much like it was for MU under Buzz- he always wanted to make more than the opposing team attempted.
Also let's not forget that another anomalous thing happened that game- TyKo scored 29 points.
More than likely in the rematch Bryce Hopkins doesn't go for 29&23 and Tyler doesn't go for 29. Providence doesn't out free throw Marquette by anywhere close to that margin, if at all.
I will be keeping a close eye on OMax in these next 3 games on the defensive side of the ball. He's been billed as an elite defender and I want to see it against some of the BE best.
We're up to #15 pre-UConn.
Quote from: avid1010 on January 08, 2023, 07:41:45 PM
Many people made millions off of KenPom early on...you can't bet on his predictions...they are literally the odds. Safe to say you can likely bet either side...hit 50%...and the books will take the juice.
You can use it to dig deeper on the matchups though.
For example aggregate kenpom data has us losing by 2 but if you look at the factors we should get killed on the glass, and our only defensive strength (forcing turnovers) is likely nullified by their propensity to avoid turnovers.
That tells me odds are good we lose by more than 2 if I was a betting man.
But this is college-aged teenagers we're talking about, not numbers on a page! Let's eff 'em up tonight!
Quote from: Silkk the Shaka on January 11, 2023, 04:36:35 PM
You can use it to dig deeper on the matchups though.
For example aggregate kenpom data has us losing by 2 but if you look at the factors we should get killed on the glass, and our only defensive strength (forcing turnovers) is likely nullified by their propensity to avoid turnovers.
Or you could go deeper and see they've barely played any teams who are good at forcing turnovers.
Exception is Iowa St. UCONN coughed it up 30% - horrible.
Jay Bee
I think our defense is going to cause problems tonight and will be the difference. My gut says we are going to see a lot of defensive looks and frustrate UConn.
Up to 14 after the win, will fluctuate maybe with a bunch of games undecided.
Up to 4 in offensive efficiency 😍
If the numbers are accurate, Marquette turned them over slightly more than UConn's average but UConn balanced that with more offensive rebounds than usual. UConn was much worse from 3 tonight than most nights.
Basically, this offense is bonkers good
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 11, 2023, 08:47:33 PM
Basically, this offense is bonkers good
Pay Nevada Smith all the money
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 11, 2023, 08:47:33 PM
Up to 14 after the win, will fluctuate maybe with a bunch of games undecided.
Up to 4 in offensive efficiency 😍
If the numbers are accurate, Marquette turned them over slightly more than UConn's average but UConn balanced that with more offensive rebounds than usual. UConn was much worse from 3 tonight than most nights.
Basically, this offense is bonkers good
Not sure who we passed (Missouri?), but MU is up to 3 in offensive efficiency
There are 2 teams in the country top 10 in BOTH offensive and defensive efficiency
— Houston (#9O and #2D) and the one Marquette beat tonight (#10,10)
Of the top 10 offensive efficient teams, only 3 have a top 50 defense.
— the two mentioned above and Purdue (#2O, 27D)
The others have defenses ranked
86,82(MU),72,63,201,89,85
Seems to be a propensity for elite offenses having relatively poor statistical defenses in KenPoms model.
The three top 10 O's that were also in the top 50 defensively have a tempo of
335,186,320- very slow or slow.
All the others have top 100 tempos except OSU(233)- very fast or fast.
Statheads can correct me if I'm wrong or supplement to this, but aren't most tourney teams in the top 50/60 in both offensive and defensive efficiency by seasons end?
In other words, isn't there going to be a correction in the above elite offenses defensive efficiencies by regular seasons end?
Quote from: DoctorV on January 12, 2023, 12:14:06 AM
There are 2 teams in the country top 10 in BOTH offensive and defensive efficiency
— Houston (#9O and #2D) and the one Marquette beat tonight (#10,10)
Of the top 10 offensive efficient teams, only 3 have a top 50 defense.
— the two mentioned above and Purdue (#2O, 27D)
The others have defenses ranked
86,82(MU),72,63,201,89,85
Seems to be a propensity for elite offenses having relatively poor statistical defenses in KenPoms model.
The three top 10 O's that were also in the top 50 defensively have a tempo of
335,186,320- very slow or slow.
All the others have top 100 tempos except OSU(233)- very fast or fast.
Statheads can correct me if I'm wrong or supplement to this, but aren't most tourney teams in the top 50/60 in both offensive and defensive efficiency by seasons end?
In other words, isn't there going to be a correction in the above elite offenses defensive efficiencies by regular seasons end?
Not necessarily. It can work both ways. Marquette's team this year is an instance where we know the defense isn't great but plays enough great stretches to couple with an elite offense.
It does limit the ceiling of this team. Matchups will be huge in March if things stay the same. If you go to T-Rank and look at similar resumes, results in March pasts aren't promising. Falling on the 4/5 line will make any potential round two matchup a tossup
Many Scoopers stated ad nauseum before the game last night (and during the game) that UCONN is "a bad match for MU" and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I've got news for you: MU is a bad match-up for UCONN. I, Goose, and others told you for the better part of a week that UCONN's perimeter was very inconsistent, prone to brick-city, and can kick the ball away in bunches. We controlled the game once UCONN went up 11 in the 1st half. Notwithstanding our defense of the high p&r with Clingon the fact of the matter is MU showed we are more than capable of beating all comers and match-up just fine with ALL of them.
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Quote from: MuggsyB on January 12, 2023, 06:37:11 AM
Many Scoopers stated ad nauseum before the game last night (and during the game) that UCONN is "a bad match for MU" and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I've got news for you: MU is a bad match-up for UCONN. I, Goose, and others told you for the better part of a week that UCONN's perimeter was very inconsistent, prone to brick-city, and can kick the ball away in bunches. We controlled the game once UCONN went up 11 in the 1st half. Notwithstanding our defense of the high p&r with Clingon the fact of the matter is MU showed we are more than capable of beating all comers and match-up just fine with ALL of them.
I see you survived the wolf moon
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on January 12, 2023, 06:41:14 AM
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I'm not looking for a pat on the back and we have plenty of work to do. It's the idea that we can't play with UCONN or anyone else that irks me a bit. Everyone has flaws, including us. But what's truly refreshing about our squad is guys have bought in and understand their roles, we continue to improve as a group, and no one is afraid out there. Sunday will be a big challenge. We need to get back to work immediately.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 12, 2023, 06:51:16 AM
We need to get back to work immediately.
In his presser, Coach Smart said that the team is getting the day off.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 12, 2023, 06:51:16 AM
I'm not looking for a pat on the back and we have plenty of work to do. It's the idea that we can't play with UCONN or anyone else that irks me a bit. Everyone has flaws, including us. But what's truly refreshing about our squad is guys have bought in and understand their roles, we continue to improve as a group, and no one is afraid out there. Sunday will be a big challenge. We need to get back to work immediately.
Yes, all that is true. It's also true some teams matchup better with other teams and even as Marquette continues to improve, there are teams you'd rather see than others in march. All of these things can be true. You worry too much, take a toke
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 12, 2023, 06:37:11 AM
Many Scoopers stated ad nauseum before the game last night (and during the game) that UCONN is "a bad match for MU" and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I've got news for you: MU is a bad match-up for UCONN. I, Goose, and others told you for the better part of a week that UCONN's perimeter was very inconsistent, prone to brick-city, and can kick the ball away in bunches. We controlled the game once UCONN went up 11 in the 1st half. Notwithstanding our defense of the high p&r with Clingon the fact of the matter is MU showed we are more than capable of beating all comers and match-up just fine with ALL of them.
You are the MAN brother!!!!!!
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 12, 2023, 06:51:16 AM
I'm not looking for a pat on the back and we have plenty of work to do. It's the idea that we can't play with UCONN or anyone else that irks me a bit. Everyone has flaws, including us. But what's truly refreshing about our squad is guys have bought in and understand their roles, we continue to improve as a group, and no one is afraid out there. Sunday will be a big challenge. We need to get back to work immediately.
Good news, no one has ever said that we couldn't play with UConn so you have nothing to get irked about!
Kenpom has Marquette/UConn/Xavier all finishing 15-5 (despite only actually predicting 4 conference losses for MU?). Win at Xavier and we are the statistical favorite to win the conference. Who woulda thought?
Quote from: Carl on January 12, 2023, 09:02:16 AM
Kenpom has Marquette/UConn/Xavier all finishing 15-5 (despite only actually predicting 4 conference losses for MU?). Win at Xavier and we are the statistical favorite to win the conference. Who woulda thought?
How about Providence?
Up to 14 in KP.
Quote from: Carl on January 12, 2023, 09:02:16 AM
Kenpom has Marquette/UConn/Xavier all finishing 15-5 (despite only actually predicting 4 conference losses for MU?).
That 15-5 takes into account the odds of winning each game. If Marquette was a 51% favorite in every remaining game, you wouldn't project them to go 13-0. You'd project them to go 7-6
Quote from: DoctorV on January 12, 2023, 09:10:25 AM
How about Providence?
Projected 14-6, for what it's worth
Sounds like, according to projections, we've got ourselves a really solid 4 team race for Big East Champion this year, unless Creighton makes it a 5 team race.
It's gonna be a very exciting month and a half of BE basketball, and it's awesome that Marquette right in the thick of it.
Yeah, I expect and hope that Creighton wins their next one against PC at home.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 12, 2023, 06:57:01 AM
Yes, all that is true. It's also true some teams matchup better with other teams and even as Marquette continues to improve, there are teams you'd rather see than others in march. All of these things can be true. You worry too much, take a toke
Respectfully disagree. Muggsy, I hope you never change.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 12, 2023, 06:37:11 AM
Many Scoopers stated ad nauseum before the game last night (and during the game) that UCONN is "a bad match for MU" and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I've got news for you: MU is a bad match-up for UCONN. I, Goose, and others told you for the better part of a week that UCONN's perimeter was very inconsistent, prone to brick-city, and can kick the ball away in bunches. We controlled the game once UCONN went up 11 in the 1st half. Notwithstanding our defense of the high p&r with Clingon the fact of the matter is MU showed we are more than capable of beating all comers and match-up just fine with ALL of them.
UConn is a bad matchup for MU, and I would guess we get blown out for the first time when we visit Storrs. But last night was an awesome win and I agree this team can beat anyone, especially at home.
Good think Marquette isn't visiting Storrs.
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 12, 2023, 06:51:16 AM
I'm not looking for a pat on the back and we have plenty of work to do. It's the idea that we can't play with UCONN or anyone else that irks me a bit. Everyone has flaws, including us. But what's truly refreshing about our squad is guys have bought in and understand their roles, we continue to improve as a group, and no one is afraid out there. Sunday will be a big challenge. We need to get back to work immediately.
We?
Up to #13 in kenpom, with the #2 offense in the country (second to Purdue) as we all expected under Shaka Smart.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 12, 2023, 08:19:58 PM
Up to #13 in kenpom, with the #2 offense in the country (second to Purdue) as we all expected under Shaka Smart.
Can we bump this every offseason when people start to ask how the heck are we going to replace our leading scorer?
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 12, 2023, 08:23:24 PM
Can we bump this every offseason when people start to ask how the heck are we going to replace our leading scorer?
No. We will hand out the tinfoil hats and continue to be miserable. What sort of place do you think this is?
12 if BYU hangs on against Gonzaga
Byu sure as heck did not hold on
Quote from: BM1090 on January 11, 2023, 11:32:27 PM
Not sure who we passed (Missouri?), but MU is up to 3 in offensive efficiency
Up to 13th overall and 2nd in offensive efficiency, narrowly behind Purdue.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 12, 2023, 10:38:19 PM
Byu sure as heck did not hold on
We were close enough that that we passed them by a nose anyway. #12
Quote from: Carl on January 12, 2023, 11:05:08 PM
We were close enough that that we passed them by a nose anyway. #12
12 ties our best KenPom rank since December 19, 2011, when a road loss to a bad LSU team knocked us from the top 10 to 14. We've reached 12 two other times since then:
First, the very next game after that LSU debacle was a 14 point win over a solid (by buy game standards) UWM team which bumped us back up to 12. This was short-lived as a blowout loss at Vanderbilt knocked us out of the top 14 for the rest of the season (we hit 15 a few times). The team finished the season at 18.
The second, thanks to an overly optimistic preseason ranking of 18, two early wins over Loyola MD and Purdue got Wojo the number 12 ranking in Markus Howard's senior year. A blowout loss at Bucky ended that quickly and the team spent the majority of the season between 25 and 35, finishing at 31 without a BET or NCAAT.
I think Shaka breaks our streak of losing once we hit 12.
Quote from: BM1090 on January 12, 2023, 10:42:25 PM
Up to 13th overall and 2nd in offensive efficiency, narrowly behind Purdue.
We passed Ohio State
Quote from: TAMU, the Wizard of MU Basketball on January 12, 2023, 11:36:23 PM
12 ties our best KenPom rank since December 19, 2011, when a road loss to a bad LSU team knocked us from the top 10 to 14. We've reached 12 two other times since then:
First, the very next game after that LSU debacle was a 14 point win over a solid (by buy game standards) UWM team which bumped us back up to 12. This was short-lived as a blowout loss at Vanderbilt knocked us out of the top 14 for the rest of the season (we hit 15 a few times). The team finished the season at 18.
The second, thanks to an overly optimistic preseason ranking of 18, two early wins over Loyola MD and Purdue got Wojo the number 12 ranking in Markus Howard's senior year. A blowout loss at Bucky ended that quickly and the team spent the majority of the season between 25 and 35, finishing at 31 without a BET or NCAAT.
I think Shaka breaks our streak of losing once we hit 12.
The Vanderbilt blowout loss was at home. The previous year, Marquette lost at Vanderbilt by 1 on a layup after Jae Crowder fell asleep on defense.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 13, 2023, 06:58:08 AM
The Vanderbilt blowout loss was at home. The previous year, Marquette lost at Vanderbilt by 1 on a layup after Jae Crowder fell asleep on defense.
I bought my gf tickets to that Vandy game at home. Worst gift I've ever given anyone.
Top 10 currently
https://kenpom.com/
Quote from: MuMark on January 14, 2023, 07:24:41 PM
Top 10 currently
https://kenpom.com/
What does Kenpom say about the h2h with Xavier tomorrow?
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 14, 2023, 08:17:40 PM
What does Kenpom say about the h2h with Xavier tomorrow?
85-83 Xavier.
You expect low numbers for the top teams in AdjO and AdjD but I find it a little interesting just how good the top 10 are on defense. Marquette is an outlier on defense compared to the rest of the top 10. Saint Mary's schedule at a glance doesn't seem to justify the gap between 9 and 10. Always curious about the math, more so this year because Marquette is just doing everything right. Seems like even a win tomorrow might not jump us to 9. It'll all shake out in the end. Couldn't be more pumped
UW ? No. 65 in Kenpom ...
Hopefully they continue to lose and drop like a rock.
Quote from: Mu8891 on January 14, 2023, 08:34:09 PM
UW ? No. 65 in Kenpom ...
Hopefully they continue to lose and drop like a rock.
I smell what you're cookin', 8891.
Quote from: Mu8891 on January 14, 2023, 08:34:09 PM
UW ? No. 65 in Kenpom ...
Hopefully they continue to lose and drop like a rock.
Mississippi State is starting to look like a dumb loss too, but if we keep winning those losses won't matter.
I'm ok with UW losing the rest of their games.
Quote from: Carl on January 14, 2023, 08:33:04 PM
Saint Mary's schedule at a glance doesn't seem to justify the gap between 9 and 10. Always curious about the math, more so this year because Marquette is just doing everything right.
Math is pretty easy in this case:
42 point win over #162 Portland
36 point win over #171 Vermont
30 point win over #63 North Texas
28 point win over #110 Hofstra
27 point win over #199 San Diego
20 point win over #135 Missouri State
14 point win over #102 Loyola Marymount
13 point win over #150 New Mexico State
12 point win over #146 Wyoming
The Gaels know how to kick the everliving shite out of solid mid-majors and have only lost close games. It's why they are top 10 in KenPom but only have 24 votes in the AP poll.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 14, 2023, 08:51:43 PM
Mississippi State is starting to look like a dumb loss too, but if we keep winning those losses won't matter.
I'm ok with UW losing the rest of their games.
I might not be remembering correctly, but I feel like the committee has been more leaning towards rewarding big wins than penalizing bad losses. It feels like the avoiding bad losses hasn't mattered as much.
Quote from: cheebs09 on January 14, 2023, 09:13:13 PM
I might not be remembering correctly, but I feel like the committee has been more leaning towards rewarding big wins than penalizing bad losses. It feels like the avoiding bad losses hasn't mattered as much.
I don't think UW or MSU will end up as bad losses, just dumb ones with how good we've shown to be and how unimpressive they both are.
I thought UW would be really solid this year after seeing them light up the Fiserv. I'd be happy with them faltering.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 14, 2023, 09:19:42 PM
I don't think UW or MSU will end up as bad losses, just dumb ones with how good we've shown to be and how unimpressive they both are.
I thought UW would be really solid this year after seeing them light up the Fiserv. I'd be happy with them faltering.
Forget the quadrants for a second and take a step back
Both MSU and UW are good teams, or ant the very least good defensive teams that play an veeery slow tempo, and will still have a decent chance to make the tournament.
Mississippi st has lost 5 of their last 6 but everyone knew regression was coming.
Ditto with Wisconsin.
Miss St lost on the road to top 25 auburn 69-63 and covered the spread so that's not a bad loss.
If anything it shows what I said early on- this seasons non-con slate showed this years squads kryptonite- good defensive teams that play slow as hell.
Miss St, Purdue and UW all fit that mold.
Providence not so much, but that was an early conference game in a tough spot with a crazy outlier in FT points.
In the BE, Seton Hall actually fits that mold the most, so I'd actually expect a loss in Joisey.
16D in KenPom, 237 tempo. So not quite as slow as what has caused Marquette losses, but in that same mold as the tough D/slow pace. Nova also kinda fits with their slow arsed pace but MU already handled them on the road and I'd expect a home dub (although it won't be easy imo).
If you're thinking bigger picture...
Keep me away from
Houston, UCLA, Purdue, St Mary's, Virginia, Iowa St, Rutgers, Duke, OKSt, UCF, Dayton, NW, North Texas, etc.
Unfortunately, seems like there are a lot of this type of team out there, hopefully they don't end up in Marquettes path.
Quote from: DoctorV on January 14, 2023, 11:31:21 PM
Forget the quadrants for a second and take a step back
Both MSU and UW are good teams, or ant the very least good defensive teams that play an veeery slow tempo, and will still have a decent chance to make the tournament.
Mississippi st has lost 5 of their last 6 but everyone knew regression was coming.
Ditto with Wisconsin.
Miss St lost on the road to top 25 auburn 69-63 and covered the spread so that's not a bad loss.
If anything it shows what I said early on- this seasons non-con slate showed this years squads kryptonite- good defensive teams that play slow as hell.
Miss St, Purdue and UW all fit that mold.
Providence not so much, but that was an early conference game in a tough spot with a crazy outlier in FT points.
In the BE, Seton Hall actually fits that mold the most, so I'd actually expect a loss in Joisey.
16D in KenPom, 237 tempo. So not quite as slow as what has caused Marquette losses, but in that same mold as the tough D/slow pace. Nova also kinda fits with their slow arsed pace but MU already handled them on the road and I'd expect a home dub (although it won't be easy imo).
If you're thinking bigger picture...
Keep me away from
Houston, UCLA, Purdue, St Mary's, Virginia, Iowa St, Rutgers, Duke, OKSt, UCF, Dayton, NW, North Texas, etc.
Unfortunately, seems like there are a lot of this type of team out there, hopefully they don't end up in Marquettes path.
Hopefully Marquette doesn't end up in their path*
If we played Madison or Mississippi State today, we'd win either game handily. We're just better now, and they aren't.
I agree with Tha Hound's take -- we're gonna be a matchup problem that other team's aren't gonna want to face.