1. Villanova is getting healthy. All of their versatility is in the 6'5-6'7 range. They can always find a favorable matchup. So good when they move the ball and don't settle. They are going to be really good by the end of the year.
2. Welcome home, Stevie Mitchell. Showing off for friends and family.
3. Oso is so important. Two cheapies early affected the whole first half.
4. Rebounding. But we knew that.
5. The whistles weren't bad.
6. 'No va' also applied to Joplin's offense today.
7. However, we know clearly who the 6th and 7th men are. Ben and Sean are 8-9.
8. Shaka went with way more two guard, three forward sets than usual. I think due to rebounding and to try to cut down on mismatches down low on Villanova cuts.
9. At winning time, it was the starters.
10. Free throws down the stretch matter.
11. Close road wins are worth their weight in gold.
Massive win - the type of game flow we'll see in the tournament. And we were able to cope with pressure at the end
Quote from: tower912 on December 31, 2022, 03:10:36 PM
1. Villanova is getting healthy. All of their versatility is in the 6'5-6'7 range. They can always find a favorable matchup. So good when they move the ball and don't settle. They are going to be really good by the end of the year.
2. Welcome home, Stevie Mitchell. Showing off for friends and family.
3. Oso is so important. Two cheapies early affected the whole first half.
4. Rebounding. But we knew that.
5. The whistles weren't bad.
6. 'No va' also applied to Joplin's offense today.
7. However, we know clearly who the 6th and 7th men are. Ben and Sean are 8-9.
8. Shaka went with way more two guard, three forward sets than usual. I think due to rebounding and to try to cut down on mismatches down low on Villanova cuts.
9. At winning time, it was the starters.
10. Free throws down the stretch matter.
11. Close road wins are worth their weight in gold.
I agree with this analysis
Gargantuan win for the Warriors today. It's possible the floodgates now open. :)
Prefer the no whistles and letting them play to the choppy games with 49 free throws from one team.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 31, 2022, 03:15:35 PM
Prefer the no whistles and letting them play to the choppy games with 49 free throws from one team.
True Dat.
That Shaka is a hell of a coach amiright, neverbeenawarrior?!?
Awesome game.
Everyone who wanted Stevie to not start are still nuts. Good for him today. Hopefully this helps him get over the hump.
Joplin made some seriously interesting decisions.
Great in game changes by shaka and staff.
Oso is a beast.
Chase Ross is really showing something lately and I love it.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 31, 2022, 03:15:35 PM
Prefer the no whistles and letting them play to the choppy games with 49 free throws from one team.
Word. It was refreshing.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 31, 2022, 03:15:35 PM
Prefer the no whistles and letting them play to the choppy games with 49 free throws from one team.
The difference in officiating between those two games was ridiculous. Would rather let them play then whistles dictate the outcome.
On a separate note, Shaka needs to have whatever talk he had earlier in the season with Kam with Jop.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 31, 2022, 03:15:35 PM
Prefer the no whistles and letting them play to the choppy games with 49 free throws from one team.
I agree with this analysis
Biggest win of Shaka era. Huge.
People may or may not agree, but if Moore comes back healthy in the next 2 weeks, I think Nova will win the BE.
Loved the strategy on that last possession to not double Dixon. If he hits the 2, you go to OT ... but DON'T leave any 3-point shooters open.
Nice job by Shaka.
Well-earned road win against a solid, experienced rival.
Lot of stupid narratives flushed today
Also, really nice to win a road game against a good team (despite the record) without great games from Oso and OMax.
Quote from: fjm on December 31, 2022, 03:16:19 PM
Awesome game.
Everyone who wanted Stevie to not start are still nuts. Good for him today. Hopefully this helps him get over the hump.
Joplin made some seriously interesting decisions.
Great in game changes by shaka and staff.
Oso is a beast.
Chase Ross is really showing something lately and I love it.
A few here made fun of me a week or so ago when I said either Stevie or Ross has to be on the floor at all times.
I thought the MU defense was decent in the first half, Nove's O just better. But, wow, they really stepped it up the last 12 minutes or so.
Only 1-4 in close games. Troubling!
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 31, 2022, 03:21:05 PM
Only 1-4 in close games. Troubling!
No excuse for not beating them by 10+!
Quote from: tower912 on December 31, 2022, 03:10:36 PM
1. Villanova is getting healthy. All of their versatility is in the 6'5-6'7 range. They can always find a favorable matchup. So good when they move the ball and don't settle. They are going to be really good by the end of the year.
2. Welcome home, Stevie Mitchell. Showing off for friends and family.
3. Oso is so important. Two cheapies early affected the whole first half.
4. Rebounding. But we knew that.
5. The whistles weren't bad.
6. 'No va' also applied to Joplin's offense today.
7. However, we know clearly who the 6th and 7th men are. Ben and Sean are 8-9.
8. Shaka went with way more two guard, three forward sets than usual. I think due to rebounding and to try to cut down on mismatches down low on Villanova cuts.
9. At winning time, it was the starters.
10. Free throws down the stretch matter.
11. Close road wins are worth their weight in gold.
Excellent analysis, Tower! Stevie carried the team in the first half.
Great win but I'll say it again:
Hit your damn free throws!!!!!
Especially with the game on the line.
Quote from: Jockey on December 31, 2022, 03:18:38 PM
Biggest win of Shaka era. Huge.
People may or may not agree, but if Moore comes back healthy in the next 2 weeks, I think Nova will win the BE.
Moore might be back in January, but Achilles injuries take forever before you are back to being yourself...if you ever are again. Hope the young man bounces back and I like novas team, but Moore will likely take a while to round into form.
Held Villanova to 13 points in the final 18 minutes...wow!
Quote from: ChuckyChip on December 31, 2022, 03:26:13 PM
Held Villanova to 13 points in the final 18 minutes...wow!
Damn! That's pretty incredible. Great win!
Quote from: ChuckyChip on December 31, 2022, 03:26:13 PM
Held Villanova to 13 points in the final 18 minutes...wow!
That's outstanding. Lot of great film for Shaka on the rotation and recovery when they doubled.
Joplin had 5 rebounds and a don't back down attitude.
I like him on the floor. Will only improve.
Joplin needs to flush that game down the toilet, but Shaka needs to take it to heart. A significant percentage of Jop's minutes need to be shifting to Ross.
Incredible win. It'll also look a lot better in March than it does now. Nova will be very solid.
Agreed but had to get him out the final two minutes to win. He was a liability both ways. He does need to play to work out the kinks though.
Quote from: ChuckyChip on December 31, 2022, 03:26:13 PM
Held Villanova to 13 points in the final 18 minutes...wow!
Imagine if we were a good defensive team! 🤯
Quote from: Jockey on December 31, 2022, 03:18:38 PM
Biggest win of Shaka era. Huge.
People may or may not agree, but if Moore comes back healthy in the next 2 weeks, I think Nova will win the BE.
I thought Baylor was.
To win a game at Villanova when Oso and O-Max combined for 14 and 7 — I'll absolutely take it. This team plays hard and it really says a lot that they can overcome a below average performance from a couple of their key players.
Villanova will only get better as Whitmore gets more into the flow - the kid is really good.
Quote from: TSmith34 on December 31, 2022, 03:20:59 PM
I thought the MU defense was decent in the first half, Nove's O just better. But, wow, they really stepped it up the last 12 minutes or so.
MU forced them into a lot of long contested three point shots during that stretch. Nova only hit 2 of 14 of them. The defense traveled and stepped up at the end.
Omax and Oso had limited offensive output, Joplin struggled and they won the game. Depth matters.
Quote from: Ellenson Guerrero on December 31, 2022, 03:29:30 PM
Joplin needs to flush that game down the toilet, but Shaka needs to take it to heart. A significant percentage of Jop's minutes need to be shifting to Ross.
I agree with this analysis.
Quote from: Jockey on December 31, 2022, 03:18:38 PM
Biggest win of Shaka era. Huge.
Respectfully disagree.
I'll vote for the 100-point win vs. Providence last year. We were 0-3 in the Big East and had lost 5 of our previous 6 games. We desperately needed a win. We crushed a ranked Providence team, and that victory ignited the 8-1 run over the next month the put us in the NCAA Tournament. Could also go for either of the two wins over Nova during that streak.
However, these things often are revealed in hindsight. For example, Providence wouldn't have been such a big win last year if we had gone 3-5 over the next 8 games. So who knows ... maybe by season's end, this win will have proven to be as huge as you say.
Quote from: Goose on December 31, 2022, 03:41:59 PM
Omax and Oso had limited offensive output, Joplin struggled and they won the game. Depth matters.
Thing about Oso though is he has a huge impact on the offense even when he's not shooting/scoring. Every time he touches the ball it feels like a good possession.
Stevie Mitchell is what we all wanted Derrick Wilson to be.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on December 31, 2022, 03:37:45 PM
To win a game at Villanova when Oso and O-Max combined for 14 and 7 — I'll absolutely take it. This team plays hard and it really says a lot that they can overcome a below average performance from a couple of their key players.
Very good point. Oso won't have many games worse than he played today. OMax was okay, shot 50% just didn't take many attempts.
Chase Ross gave us a huge lift today, and Ben Gold's 3 in the first half was a big shot as Nova hit a 3 to go up 8 and Gold's three brought it back to 5.
Villanova might be the best 7-7 college basketball team of all time.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on December 31, 2022, 03:37:45 PM
To win a game at Villanova when Oso and O-Max combined for 14 and 7 — I'll absolutely take it. This team plays hard and it really says a lot that they can overcome a below average performance from a couple of their key players.
Nice post. Spot on.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on December 31, 2022, 03:37:45 PM
To win a game at Villanova when Oso and O-Max combined for 14 and 7 — I'll absolutely take it. This team plays hard and it really says a lot that they can overcome a below average performance from a couple of their key players.
Yessir. And 18 combined for Oso, O-Max and Kolek. Still, Kolek and Oso each created a lot of opportunities for teammates, and Oso and O-Max played some outstanding D down the stretch. But yes, to win a tight road game against a quality opponent when our three most important players combine for 18 points ... pretty damn good.
Stevie (obviously) and Ross stepped up big-time.
A little surprised Sean didn't play more ... and a little surprised Jop played as much as he did, especially down the stretch.
Great to finally win a close one. Won it with D. But Kam can you please take your time on that final free throw
Quote from: MU82 on December 31, 2022, 03:54:51 PM
A little surprised Sean didn't play more ... and a little surprised Jop played as much as he did, especially down the stretch.
I'm not. Jop was playing well on defense and MU wasn't getting beat at the rim with him in. Sean is 5'10. He did not have a good stretch when he was in. And Nova was going to keep forcing switches until they isolated Sean if he was in.
Quote from: MU82 on December 31, 2022, 03:54:51 PM
Yessir. And 18 combined for Oso, O-Max and Kolek. Still, Kolek and Oso each created a lot of opportunities for teammates, and Oso and O-Max played some outstanding D down the stretch. But yes, to win a tight road game against a quality opponent when our three most important players combine for 18 points ... pretty damn good.
Stevie (obviously) and Ross stepped up big-time.
A little surprised Sean didn't play more ... and a little surprised Jop played as much as he did, especially down the stretch.
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Bad mistake on a basket drive and missed three by Jones. Nova's guards are a lot taller, so he sat. Look for him to get minutes at STJ, up against Alexander.
Quote from: tower912 on December 31, 2022, 03:58:19 PM
I'm not. Jop was playing well on defense and MU wasn't getting beat at the rim with him in. Sean is 5'10. He did not have a good stretch when he was in. And Nova was going to keep forcing switches until they isolated Sean if he was in.
I wasn't saying Sean should have played instead of Jop, though I can see how the way I worded it made it sound like that. I was simply surprised that Sean didn't play more, and also surprised that Jop got some minutes instead of Stevie and Chase down the stretch.
Jop was having trouble holding onto the ball and made a couple of poor offensive decisions, and he sometimes can be a ball-stopper. I also didn't think he was playing especially well on D at that point in the game.
Quote from: nyg on December 31, 2022, 04:01:02 PM
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Bad mistake on a basket drive and missed three by Jones. Nova's guards are a lot taller, so he sat. Look for him to get minutes at STJ, up against Alexander.
Reasonable.
I find it interesting , Whitmore had 10 pts in the first 6:30 min and 4 pts the rest of the game ! ! ! 8-)
Quote from: MU82 on December 31, 2022, 04:04:07 PM
I wasn't saying Sean should have played instead of Jop, though I can see how the way I worded it made it sound like that. I was simply surprised that Sean didn't play more, and also surprised that Jop got some minutes instead of Stevie and Chase down the stretch.
Jop was having trouble holding onto the ball and made a couple of poor offensive decisions, and he sometimes can be a ball-stopper. I also didn't think he was playing especially well on D at that point in the game.
Reasonable.
I agree with your analysis. Sean was fine in his 3 minutes. Nova wasn't going to iso him. Suspect Shaka just felt he wanted to ride experienced vets on the road in a tough place to win. Jop's defense was good (for Jop), but I was shocked he got as much run down the stretch. But, Shaka has said he will reward defensive effort, and Jop has shown better effort this year and of late.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 31, 2022, 04:12:33 PM
I agree with your analysis. Sean was fine in his 3 minutes. Nova wasn't going to iso him. Suspect Shaka just felt he wanted to ride experienced vets on the road in a tough place to win. Jop's defense was good (for Jop), but I was shocked he got as much run down the stretch. But, Shaka has said he will reward defensive effort, and Jop has shown better effort this year and of late.
That's fair. This kind of thing could be a psychological boost to Jop. Shaka seems to have a real good feel for such stuff.
Quote from: MU82 on December 31, 2022, 03:43:25 PM
Respectfully disagree.
I'll vote for the 100-point win vs. Providence last year. We were 0-3 in the Big East and had lost 5 of our previous 6 games. We desperately needed a win. We crushed a ranked Providence team, and that victory ignited the 8-1 run over the next month the put us in the NCAA Tournament. Could also go for either of the two wins over Nova during that streak.
However, these things often are revealed in hindsight. For example, Providence wouldn't have been such a big win last year if we had gone 3-5 over the next 8 games. So who knows ... maybe by season's end, this win will have proven to be as huge as you say.
I get your point, Mike, but no one realistically thought MU was a Week 2 tournament team last year. This year a lot of us think they are. A win like today shows us we can win in week 2.
Quote from: Jockey on December 31, 2022, 04:19:07 PM
I get your point, Mike, but no one realistically thought MU was a Week 2 tournament team last year. This year a lot of us think they are. A win like today shows us we can win in week 2.
BEast coaches picked us 9th both years.
After we fell to 0-3 last year, the narrative among many on Scoop was that we sucked. That Providence win, especially the way it was followed by the others that month, flipped many into thinking we had a real good shot at an NCAAT run.
This season, I thought the win vs. Baylor showed how good we can be, as did several others, as did this one.
I actually hope you turn out to have been right -- that we go on to win a bunch of games and advance to the second weekend. Of course, if we do that, there will have been a whole lot of "best wins" over the next 3 months!
Today was a very good win and a big step in the right direction. This team looks to be built for the whole season and not just a great month. Time to keep on winning.
Quote from: dgies9156 on December 31, 2022, 03:24:49 PM
Great win but I'll say it again:
Hit your damn free throws!!!!!
Especially with the game on the line.
Says the guy that hates Real Chili and eggs, but loves Budweiser and brussels sprouts! At the end FTs no matta, yo JB. dgies is a closet commie / socialist!
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 31, 2022, 04:30:11 PMdgies is a closet commie / socialist!
No politics. Ban this guy.
Quote from: NotAnAlum on December 31, 2022, 03:56:48 PM
Great to finally win a close one. Won it with D. But Kam can you please take your time on that final free throw
Was that his normal routine....looked like he just chucked it...I was in awe.
Quote from: Goose on December 31, 2022, 04:29:21 PM
Today was a very good win and a big step in the right direction. This team looks to be built for the whole season and not just a great month. Time to keep on winning.
I hope you are right, Goose. The difference between this years team and last is that this team is better than the sum of its parts.
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 31, 2022, 04:37:39 PM
Says the corrupt lawyer
This response cost you one more hour of time x $1,100.
Quote from: avid1010 on December 31, 2022, 04:35:34 PM
Was that his normal routine....looked like he just chucked it...I was in awe.
He missed it to make the game a bit more exciting.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 31, 2022, 04:41:13 PM
He missed it to make the game a bit more exciting.
Wanted to keep it a close game for that new skill
Quote from: LloydsLegs on December 31, 2022, 04:40:41 PM
This response cost you one more hour of time x $1,100.
Par for the course, you Wordle for over an hour? Figures
I like you a lot Tower but, no va literally means it doesn't go. No va is no irá, the effin lawyer made me do it or was invoicing me another 1k.
¡De nada!
Jop didn't have a good game, but that was the most aggressive I recall ever seeing him on defense.
Otra hora y el costo de la traducción
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on December 31, 2022, 05:32:18 PM
Jop didn't have a good game, but that was the most aggressive I recall ever seeing him on defense.
I agree. Jop needs to play defense if he wants minutes on this team. He has good offensive skills (usually). If he can commit to defense too, he'll have a role on this team into the future.
If Stevie is capable of scoring 19, opposing coaches are going to hate playing this team. If the defense can finish possessions we might be cooking with something here.
Legs:
Don't you have a special Rican rate of $5,000 per hour?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 31, 2022, 06:14:44 PM
If Stevie is capable of scoring 19, opposing coaches are going to hate playing this team. If the defense can finish possessions we might be cooking with something here.
Might be? Jesus, quit posting
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 31, 2022, 04:55:02 PM
I like you a lot Tower but, no va literally means it doesn't go. No va is no irá, the effin lawyer made me do it or was invoicing me another 1k.
I thought about that. So I checked three different sites. Doesn't go is the first option. Won't go is next. We can use either in reference to the last shot. I like 'won't go.'
However, if it is important to you, I will change the thread title to 'doesn't go. '
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 31, 2022, 06:19:11 PM
Might be? Jesus, quit posting
I agree with this analysis.
Quote from: MU82 on December 31, 2022, 03:54:51 PM
A little surprised Sean didn't play more
Shaka was all outta belly rubs
Quote from: dgies9156 on December 31, 2022, 06:19:04 PM
Legs:
Don't you have a special Rican rate of $5,000 per hour?
Shut up you racist, commie /socialist
Quote from: tower912 on December 31, 2022, 06:26:14 PM
I thought about that. So I checked three different sites. Doesn't go is the first option. Won't go is next. We can use either in reference to the last shot. I like 'won't go.'
However, if it is important to you, I will change the thread title to 'doesn't go. '
Please don't. Entitled Rican
Maybe our first lock after discussing a big win.
Ah my scoop.
Quote from: NCMUFan on December 31, 2022, 07:10:44 PM
Maybe our first lock after discussing a big win.
Ah my scoop.
Just some UB sh*t-talking.
Quote from: tower912 on December 31, 2022, 06:26:14 PM
I thought about that. So I checked three different sites. Doesn't go is the first option. Won't go is next. We can use either in reference to the last shot. I like 'won't go.'
However, if it is important to you, I will change the thread title to 'doesn't go. '
It is extremely important to me plus the lawyer made me do it or he would invoice extra. He owns me ....
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 31, 2022, 06:14:44 PM
If Stevie is capable of scoring 19, opposing coaches are going to hate playing this team. If the defense can finish possessions we might be cooking with something here.
Needs to back it up, consistency
Quote from: BCHoopster on December 31, 2022, 10:02:14 PM
Needs to back it up, consistency
No he doesn't. He brings enough defensively that all we need from him is an occasional offensive outburst.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on December 31, 2022, 10:04:19 PM
No he doesn't. He brings enough defensively that all we need from him is an occasional offensive outburst.
For Shaka is defense, that is why he loves Stevie, simple
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on December 31, 2022, 10:04:19 PM
No he doesn't. He brings enough defensively that all we need from him is an occasional offensive outburst.
He's missed enough open 3's, today he was on because they did not guard him closely, hits a few more which will open the lane going forward. Yes he brings energy and D every game. MU will be that much better when he can hit and shot once in awhile.
Quote from: BCHoopster on December 31, 2022, 10:26:38 PM
He's missed enough open 3's, today he was on because they did not guard him closely, hits a few more which will open the lane going forward. Yes he brings energy and D every game. MU will be that much better when he can hit and shot once in awhile.
Once in a while. Yes.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 31, 2022, 03:46:27 PM
Stevie Mitchell is what we all wanted Derrick Wilson to be.
Great call! Stevie is a defensive pest and seems to pick up a lot of points within the flow of the offense. He rarely forces anything. He's a very unselfish player but seems to be gaining confidence which will only make him better as things progress. Just knowing he can knock down an occasional three changes how teams defend us.
Quote from: BCHoopster on December 31, 2022, 10:26:38 PM
He's missed enough open 3's, today he was on because they did not guard him closely, hits a few more which will open the lane going forward. Yes he brings energy and D every game. MU will be that much better when he can hit and shot once in awhile.
He only hits the easy threes, eh?
Joplin missed the easy threes (and the hard threes)
Quote from: TSmith34 on January 01, 2023, 12:14:06 AM
He only hits the easy threes, eh?
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 31, 2022, 09:55:48 PM
It is extremely important to me plus the lawyer made me do it or he would invoice extra. He owns me ....
Lawyers.
Great job in the final stretch. Defense maintained their intensity. I think I only remember one turnover and one defensive possession that was extended because of a nova offensive board. Otherwise patient offense led to the important omax bucket that ultimately wins the game. Kam missing the front end was especially frustrating for me as I had his over 15.5 points :-/
Quote from: panda on January 01, 2023, 07:42:20 AM
Great job in the final stretch. Defense maintained their intensity. I think I only remember one turnover and one defensive possession that was extended because of a nova offensive board. Otherwise patient offense led to the important omax bucket that ultimately wins the game. Kam missing the front end was especially frustrating for me as I had his over 15.5 points :-/
Nice account of our guys showing that they knew what they had to do and then they
did it. No panic, no deer-in-the-headlights looks, just calmly putting us in a position to get a win.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 01, 2023, 07:48:43 AM
Nice account of our guys showing that they knew what they had to do and then they did it. No panic, no deer-in-the-headlights looks, just calmly putting us in a position to get a win.
Agree 1000%
Such a fun group to watch grow
Quote from: TSmith34 on January 01, 2023, 12:14:06 AM
He only hits the easy threes, eh?
The one time he hesitated and then decided to shoot, he missed.
Offense was shaky once again in a tight game down the stretch. The defense, OTOH, was more than up to the task. A wonderful win for our guys.
Any open 3 point shot within the flow >>>>>>contested Jop 3.
Ive seen enough of the deep 3 from Jop with a guy in his face. Ill take Chase or Stevie or Ben or Sean to hit that open 3 instead.
Quote from: We R Final Four on January 01, 2023, 03:40:27 PM
Any open 3 point shot within the flow >>>>>>contested Jop 3.
Ive seen enough of the deep 3 from Jop with a guy in his face. Ill take Chase or Stevie or Ben or Sean to hit that open 3 instead.
We're all praising Shaka's work last night, but I'll pick one little nit: The last shot of the first half sucked.
We had plenty of time to set up something good, but we got a forced, deep 3 from Jop. Plus, he shot it so early that Nova had a decent shot to steal 3 points at the end of the half. Yuck.
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I think that was just a stupid play by Joplin, but I could be wrong. It was a bad play/shot and way to early to shoot.
Jop and even Sean Jones have to realize what is good shot and what is not. Not surprising he threw it up, he is much better scorer when he hits that first shot. What amazes me more is that he actually has zero hops. Surprising
Quote from: BCHoopster on January 01, 2023, 05:07:45 PM
Jop and even Sean Jones have to realize what is good shot and what is not. Not surprising he threw it up, he is much better scorer when he hits that first shot. What amazes me more is that he actually has zero hops. Surprising
He's not a great athlete.
Quote from: Goose on January 01, 2023, 05:05:45 PM
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I think that was just a stupid play by Joplin, but I could be wrong. It was a bad play/shot and way to early to shoot.
The head coach is the CEO, especially in late-game situations. If Shaka can't depend on Joplin to follow his instructions, then he made a mistake having him on the floor.
Shaka's great, but not above criticism.
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If Shaka advised Joplin to take a quick shot with 5 seconds left in the half, then he deserves criticism. I am sure there will be plenty to criticize Shaka over the next decade.
Quote from: MU82 on January 01, 2023, 05:27:02 PM
The head coach is the CEO, especially in late-game situations. If Shaka can't depend on Joplin to follow his instructions, then he made a mistake having him on the floor.
Shaka's great, but not above criticism.
And you're just seeking reasons to be critical. Every coach makes calls during games that don't work out.
But Joplin once dunked on a wide open breakaway transition in practice. He has to be athletic.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 01, 2022, 12:31:36 PM
https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1587490957896867843?t=x3X3xvz3C1c3WdU8zoICMw&s=19
Jop looks significantly more mobile. Hopefully that helps him on the defensive end. Seems as though being a vocal leader is something he's working on too. Excited for where he could get to with his game.
Quote from: Ardmore Mug on December 31, 2022, 04:10:16 PM
I find it interesting , Whitmore had 10 pts in the first 6:30 min and 4 pts the rest of the game ! ! ! 8-)
I was at the game and I don't think we are talking enough about O-Max's defense on Whitmore after the early flurry. It was very evident that Whitmore wanted to attack when he got the ball on the wing, but O-Max wouldn't budge. Stuck up on him and was strong when Whitmore tried to burst by. Yes, Neptune's decision to leave Whitmore on the bench late in second half was weird, but O-Max defense on him needs to praised more. White on rice.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 01, 2023, 05:09:10 PM
He's not a great athlete.
You're right. He needs to quit trying to create off the dribble. Just be a spot-up three point shooter.
Quote from: Jockey on January 02, 2023, 12:45:16 PM
You're right. He needs to quit trying to create off the dribble. Just be a spot-up three point shooter.
Actually I think its the opposite. He settles too much. He is big enough to bully his way to the basket at times. But the step back 3? No bueno.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 02, 2023, 12:47:58 PM
Actually I think its the opposite. He settles too much. He is big enough to bully his way to the basket at times. But the step back 3? No bueno.
Yep. I think he has to perfect the old man YMCA game. And take all open threes.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 02, 2023, 12:47:58 PM
Actually I think its the opposite. He settles too much. He is big enough to bully his way to the basket at times. But the step back 3? No bueno.
I wouldn't mind seeing some more post ups when the matchup is right vs him trying to create off the dribble.
Post Joplin up and let him score down low. He needs to use his body and create the shots in the paint. I know I am in the minority on this, but I really think he will be a scoring machine if he sticks around the basket. Maybe if Stevie can keep the defense honest, we will see more of Joplin down low.
Quote from: Goose on January 02, 2023, 12:54:48 PM
Post Joplin up and let him score down low. He needs to use his body and create the shots in the paint. I know I am in the minority on this, but I really think he will be a scoring machine if he sticks around the basket. Maybe if Stevie can keep the defense honest, we will see more of Joplin down low.
Funny you say that because everytime I see Joplin try to back someone down or even drive the lane, I cringe. He's not good with his back to the hoop.
I think back to Jamal Cain. I get the same cringe I got in early years Jamal Cain. I don't think Joplin is as quick. I can see him doing the pull up in another year.
All of that aside, he is just a kid taking on a bigger role. Trying to do all of the things his coach wants him to do. Rebound, play defense, make the right play on offense. Patience. Hopefully, it will all fall into place for him soon.
Quote from: Goose on January 02, 2023, 12:54:48 PM
Post Joplin up and let him score down low. He needs to use his body and create the shots in the paint. I know I am in the minority on this, but I really think he will be a scoring machine if he sticks around the basket. Maybe if Stevie can keep the defense honest, we will see more of Joplin down low.
I know this is a joke. But lets just say some Joplin stats.
Joplin has the worst 2pt FG percent on the team!
Joplin shoots 57.1% at the rim, the only players who shoot worse at the rim are Kolek and Sean Jones. He is in the 24th percentile for players at his height. Neither Kolek nor Sean are given assisted attempts at the rim like Joplin is.
Joplin shoots 40% in the paint (not at the rim). Only Kam and Omax are worse (those attempts are usually end of shot clock prayers)
Joplin shoots 25% in the midrange. He has the second worst percentage on the team. And he takes the MOST midrange shots on the team.
Joplin needs to just stand in the corner and hope Kam or Kolek can get him the ball for an open three. He shoots 50% in the corners and 35.9% above the break (only behind Kolek).
And this is ignoring the fact that Joplin doesn't have an affinity to pass the ball, and he has a 5.6 assist rate and a 18.1 TO Rate, and he is the worst defender on our team. (though he played adequately on defense against Nova for 5 minutes in the second half).
As of this last game Chase Ross is officially a better player than him. I would flip their minutes instantly.
jfp
My post is not a joke. I trust that your stats are accurate and my post said I believe he WILL be a scoring machine in the paint down the road. The kid is a scorer and I do not believe his future is being a three point specialist at MU.
He is not a scoring machine in the point at the moment, but he has shown glimpses that makes me believe he will be a big threat down low at some point during his college career. He needs to learn to get in the right position and use his body to his advantage and I think he will be a force.
I can say at the moment he is only guy on the team that has really pissed me off this season and on multiple occasions. So, I am not a Joplin super fan of family member. I could be flat out wrong two years from now, but I think once he learns to play down there he will be tough stop.
The Hound
See my post to jfp. Joplin was frustrated me more than any other player. My thoughts on him scoring low has zero with him dribbling into the lane. IMO, he is going to be guy that gets 10+ points a game down in the paint at some point of his career.
I agree on cringing when Joplin tries to barrel into the lane and I hope we see less of that. I also hope we see less him 20-25 away from the basket and more down low post from him.
Shaka knows his players and their potentials.
Present and future look bright for Joplin.
Quote from: Goose on January 02, 2023, 02:28:05 PM
jfp
My post is not a joke. I trust that your stats are accurate and my post said I believe he WILL be a scoring machine in the paint down the road. The kid is a scorer and I do not believe his future is being a three point specialist at MU.
He is not a scoring machine in the point at the moment, but he has shown glimpses that makes me believe he will be a big threat down low at some point during his college career. He needs to learn to get in the right position and use his body to his advantage and I think he will be a force.
I can say at the moment he is only guy on the team that has really pissed me off this season and on multiple occasions. So, I am not a Joplin super fan of family member. I could be flat out wrong two years from now, but I think once he learns to play down there he will be tough stop.
I think some of the Jop flack on here is mind boggling at times. The guy is absolutely flawed as he still works to refining his game at this level and limit the things hes bad at(like dribbling and sidde stepping at negative speed) but hes also got some true god given talent scoring the basektball.
The guy can get buckets. And I said it in a game thread a few games ago, IF(and its a big if) he is either able to improve defensively and/or work on his sloppy/weak ball skills in the paint. He will be a near 20 ppg scorer imo.
We are a pretty damn good basketball team when basically the only player getting piled on is the 6th man who is capable of scoring 15 pts in 20 minutes of PT at any time.
PG
I agree. Plus, my posts on the topic are that I believe he will be a 20ppg down the road.
I think he is a couple of games away from having a Kam-like breakthrough, understanding good and bad shots and how to get them in the flow of the offense.
That will be fun.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 02, 2023, 02:44:34 PM
I think some of the Jop flack on here is mind boggling at times. The guy is absolutely flawed as he still works to refining his game at this level and limit the things hes bad at(like dribbling and sidde stepping at negative speed) but hes also got some true god given talent scoring the basektball.
The guy can get buckets. And I said it in a game thread a few games ago, IF(and its a big if) he is either able to improve defensively and/or work on his sloppy/weak ball skills in the paint. He will be a near 20 ppg scorer imo.
We are a pretty damn good basketball team when basically the only player getting piled on is the 6th man who is capable of scoring 15 pts in 20 minutes of PT at any time.
Dead on. Shaka needs him to be a banger this season with Zach out. And he will need to fully assume the SF starter role next season. I remember Lazar his frosh and sophomore years. Not super athletic or strong, just a good shooter. Then his junior year came and he was a different body type and became a banger.
Quote from: Goose on January 02, 2023, 02:28:05 PM
[Joplin] is not a scoring machine in the point at the moment, but he has shown glimpses that makes me believe he will be a big threat down low at some point during his college career. He needs to learn to get in the right position and use his body to his advantage and I think he will be a force.
At the Purdue game, when Joplin entered the game in the second half I leaned over to my brother and said, "Joplin is one of our better scorers, and he hasn't even scored yet." He proceeded to make me look like I knew what I was talking about and scored 15 of MU's 17 points in the next five minutes. MU went from down 5 to up 9 in that span. The kid can definitely score. I think it's pretty clear that Shaka and his staff are doing a good job helping these kids improve their games. I'm optimistic that we'll continue to see improvement and Joplin will more consistently show the skill and execution that we've seen flashes of.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 02, 2023, 02:44:34 PM
I think some of the Jop flack on here is mind boggling at times. The guy is absolutely flawed as he still works to refining his game at this level and limit the things hes bad at(like dribbling and sidde stepping at negative speed) but hes also got some true god given talent scoring the basektball.
The guy can get buckets. And I said it in a game thread a few games ago, IF(and its a big if) he is either able to improve defensively and/or work on his sloppy/weak ball skills in the paint. He will be a near 20 ppg scorer imo.
We are a pretty damn good basketball team when basically the only player getting piled on is the 6th man who is capable of scoring 15 pts in 20 minutes of PT at any time.
He is fine. David is a tremendous shooter who takes a lot of shots. But their are 6 better players than him on this basketball team, and he probably should play a little less. All i advocated for was not giving him post touches (when he is playing poorly inside the arc) and playing Chase Ross more than him. He can still give Marquette 7.5 ppg playing 15 minutes.
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 01, 2023, 05:36:51 PM
And you're just seeking reasons to be critical. Every coach makes calls during games that don't work out.
OK, Scoop Police, you got me. Anyone who doesn't think that play at the end of the half was brilliant obviously hates Shaka. Same with the two Kolek long pass plays vs Madison.
Quote from: NCMUFan on January 02, 2023, 02:42:20 PM
Shaka knows his players and their potentials.
Present and future look bright for Joplin.
I think Joplin is generally a good jump shooter. It is shot selection that screws up his performance and screws up his statstics.
Quote from: MU82 on January 02, 2023, 03:29:45 PM
OK, Scoop Police, you got me. Anyone who doesn't think that play at the end of the half was brilliant obviously hates Shaka. Same with the two Kolek long pass plays vs Madison.
Damn...and I thought I liked Shaka. Because those two inbounds plays at the end of the Wisconsin game made me as angry as I've been after a Marquette game in a long time.
jfp
I have zero issue with Ross getting more minutes. One thing that has impressed me was Shaka's handling of playing time and lineups. My comments on Joplin are long term, not game to game.
82
The play at the end of the half sucked and the plays at end of Badger game sucked. Shaka drew them up and egg on his face. I am sure there will be additional snafu's over the upcoming seasons.
Quote from: Goose on January 02, 2023, 03:34:42 PM
The play at the end of the half sucked and the plays at end of Badger game sucked. Shaka drew them up and egg on his face. I am sure there will be additional snafu's over the upcoming seasons.
Yessir. One can think the world of any coach while also saying he's not perfect.
Saying Shaka shoulda fouled up 3 vs Creighton last season isn't saying he sucks. It's just fans being frustrated by a mistake that took place on the coach's watch.
Like you, I'm thrilled that Shaka is my alma mater's coach! He's doing a hell of a job.
That last play of the half was Kolek's fault just as much as anyone else. He ran the ball up the floor and got into the action way too early.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 02, 2023, 03:10:22 PM
Dead on. Shaka needs him to be a banger this season with Zach out. And he will need to fully assume the SF starter role next season. I remember Lazar his frosh and sophomore years. Not super athletic or strong, just a good shooter. Then his junior year came and he was a different body type and became a banger.
I love Jop but I could do without the dribbling around without a purpose/dribbling to force a shot. He cuts that out and he fulfills his role perfectly in my opinion.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on January 02, 2023, 04:05:15 PM
I love Jop but I could do without the dribbling around without a purpose/dribbling to force a shot. He cuts that out and he fulfills his role perfectly in my opinion.
The book on him is that you can collapse when he gets in the lane because he doesn't pass.
Get less sticky with the ball and he's a weapon
Jake
He definitely is not a passer at this point.
To be fair, neither is Sean at this point. Patience. Young team. Still succeeding. They will all improve.
tower
Kam has shown the ability to pass and has some fancy assists, but still a work in progress. In his defense, he is a better ball handler and a better finisher.
Quote from: MU82 on January 02, 2023, 03:29:45 PM
OK, Scoop Police, you got me. Anyone who doesn't think that play at the end of the half was brilliant obviously hates Shaka. Same with the two Kolek long pass plays vs Madison.
I didn't say either were great plays. But keep doing the trite sports-writer fallback of extreme hyperbole to justify saying something dumb.
Quote from: Goose on January 02, 2023, 04:18:20 PM
tower
Kam has shown the ability to pass and has some fancy assists, but still a work in progress. In his defense, he is a better ball handler and a better finisher.
Agreed. He had an a ha moment a few weeks ago and has been a more complete player since. I am looking forward to that happening for Joplin.
Ross needs to play more.
Joplin played poorly, but the couple buckets he did have were big buckets.
Jop is a bucket. He'll be a true 1/1a option on this team once the game slows down for him a bit.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 02, 2023, 03:10:22 PM
Dead on. Shaka needs him to be a banger this season with Zach out. And he will need to fully assume the SF starter role next season. I remember Lazar his frosh and sophomore years. Not super athletic or strong, just a good shooter. Then his junior year came and he was a different body type and became a banger.
He will need to fully assume the starting SF role next season? It's quite possible our entire current starting lineup will be back.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 02, 2023, 08:20:28 PM
Joplin played poorly, but the couple buckets he did have were big buckets.
This is the answer
Quote from: The Sultan of Semantics on January 02, 2023, 04:20:43 PM
I didn't say either were great plays. But keep doing the trite sports-writer fallback of extreme hyperbole to justify saying something dumb.
Well, you did say I was "just seeking reasons to be critical," indicating you thought I was wrong and that the plays were A-OK. But sure, Officer, you got me again.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 02, 2023, 08:54:36 PM
He will need to fully assume the starting SF role next season? It's quite possible our entire current starting lineup will be back.
Or not
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on January 02, 2023, 11:15:21 PM
Or not
Saying he will need to instead of he may have to are two vastly different things.