150th Open Championship at St. Andrews.
Olympic Gold Medalist Xander Schauffele has won two tournaments in a row (with a star studded Pro Am victory in between). Is the hottest golfer right now. Can he stay hot and win his first Major?
I think Morikowa has a good shot at repeating
Rory needs to put 4 good rounds together. Seems like he has had one bad round in the recent majors.
Tiger seems to be in good spirits
https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/34221618/tiger-woods-plays-first-18-hole-practice-round-major-year
If the wind lays down, somebody is going to shoot 59. Maybe more than one somebody.
It's the Open
Quote from: tower912 on July 11, 2022, 06:46:32 AM
If the wind lays down, somebody is going to shoot 59. Maybe more than one somebody.
If the wind is down, Morikawa is probably the horse to beat. If the wind is up, Fitzy looks good.
Expectations for Tiger are so much more realistic now than before the Masters. I hope he enjoys the experience and stays healthy.
I'll pick Rory ... but I think I picked him for a couple other majors this year, too.
Lowry?
Seamus Power?
Joaquin Niemann?
I just have a feeling it won't be one of the favorites.
Rory by half a dozen shots
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 11, 2022, 11:28:22 AM
Rory by half a dozen shots
And then he leaves for the LIV?
Quote from: MU82 on July 11, 2022, 12:45:26 PM
And then he leaves for the LIV?
Then he takes a dump on Greg Norman's porch
Fun day at The Open.
https://www.theopen.com/Latest/Celebration-of-Champions-delivers-surreal-memories
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 11, 2022, 12:55:37 PM
Then he takes a dump on Greg Norman's porch
That would be much more satisfying, both for Rory and for the rest of us.
We spent 10 hours at St. Andrews yesterday and was a fantastic day. Heading back today for our second day of practice round tickets. This is my first trip to Scotland and St. Andrews and just a few random thoughts/comments:
1. Unlike Augusta, TV makes St. Andrews look more daunting. The course was far different than I expected yet exceeded very high expectations. I definitely see why so many great players call it their favorite course. Fingers crossed that I can someday come back and play it.
2. Crowds were small and we were up close and personal with the players. We were in 17th tee for the Champions event and the guys were within twenty feet of us.
3. The event is much less commercial than majors in the USA and prices are very reasonable. Never waiting in line for food/drinks or bathroom.
4. I have never seen ground so hard in my life and the ball goes forever. They boys will be shooting low scores this week, IMO.
5. Again, I have blown away by the course, the history of St. Andrews and seeing all time greats. Saw Jack on 18 and a real highlight of my golf memories.
6. We stayed late enough that we were able to get multiple pictures on Swilken Bridge, literally within 10-15 minutes after Tiger & Co concluded their pictures.
7. Lastly, I got sunburn at St. Andrews and it has been hot since we got here. Wind is blowing, but needs to pick up big time before the weekend.
Quote from: Goose on July 12, 2022, 01:38:12 AM
We spent 10 hours at St. Andrews yesterday and was a fantastic day. Heading back today for our second day of practice round tickets. This is my first trip to Scotland and St. Andrews and just a few random thoughts/comments:
1. Unlike Augusta, TV makes St. Andrews look more daunting. The course was far different than I expected yet exceeded very high expectations. I definitely see why so many great players call it their favorite course. Fingers crossed that I can someday come back and play it.
2. Crowds were small and we were up close and personal with the players. We were in 17th tee for the Champions event and the guys were within twenty feet of us.
3. The event is much less commercial than majors in the USA and prices are very reasonable. Never waiting in line for food/drinks or bathroom.
4. I have never seen ground so hard in my life and the ball goes forever. They boys will be shooting low scores this week, IMO.
5. Again, I have blown away by the course, the history of St. Andrews and seeing all time greats. Saw Jack on 18 and a real highlight of my golf memories.
6. We stayed late enough that we were able to get multiple pictures on Swilken Bridge, literally within 10-15 minutes after Tiger & Co concluded their pictures.
7. Lastly, I got sunburn at St. Andrews and it has been hot since we got here. Wind is blowing, but needs to pick up big time before the weekend.
Have fun and keep up the reports .
Sounds like a blast, Goose. Enjoy yourself (you already are), and safe travels.
Quote from: Goose on July 12, 2022, 01:38:12 AM
We spent 10 hours at St. Andrews yesterday and was a fantastic day. Heading back today for our second day of practice round tickets. This is my first trip to Scotland and St. Andrews and just a few random thoughts/comments:
1. Unlike Augusta, TV makes St. Andrews look more daunting. The course was far different than I expected yet exceeded very high expectations. I definitely see why so many great players call it their favorite course. Fingers crossed that I can someday come back and play it.
2. Crowds were small and we were up close and personal with the players. We were in 17th tee for the Champions event and the guys were within twenty feet of us.
3. The event is much less commercial than majors in the USA and prices are very reasonable. Never waiting in line for food/drinks or bathroom.
4. I have never seen ground so hard in my life and the ball goes forever. They boys will be shooting low scores this week, IMO.
5. Again, I have blown away by the course, the history of St. Andrews and seeing all time greats. Saw Jack on 18 and a real highlight of my golf memories.
6. We stayed late enough that we were able to get multiple pictures on Swilken Bridge, literally within 10-15 minutes after Tiger & Co concluded their pictures.
7. Lastly, I got sunburn at St. Andrews and it has been hot since we got here. Wind is blowing, but needs to pick up big time before the weekend.
Awesome! Have a great time Goose.
Tiger firing on Norman:
"Greg has done some things that I don't think are in the best interest of our game."
And ripping players who have left the PGA for the Saudi tour:
"They've turned their backs on what got them into this position."
Quote from: MU82 on July 12, 2022, 08:45:58 AM
Tiger firing on Norman:
"Greg has done some things that I don't think are in the best interest of our game."
And ripping players who have left the PGA for the Saudi tour:
"They've turned their backs on what got them into this position."
Not sure that Eldrick is in a position to judge people for personal decisions.
Quote from: MU82 on July 12, 2022, 08:45:58 AM
Tiger firing on Norman:
"Greg has done some things that I don't think are in the best interest of our game."
And ripping players who have left the PGA for the Saudi tour:
"They've turned their backs on what got them into this position."
"What got them into this position" was their ability to play golf. They don't owe the PGA anything.
Just the messenger, folks.
Rory thinks Tiger can contend this week. What a story that would be.
https://twitter.com/KylePorterCBS/status/1546779895551983616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1546779895551983616%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fthespun.com%2Fmore%2Fgolf%2Frory-mcilroy-reveals-if-he-thinks-tiger-woods-can-win-this-week
Quote from: Jables1604 on July 12, 2022, 09:23:59 AM
Not sure that Eldrick is in a position to judge people for personal decisions.
Why not? He would know better than most
Quote from: User Name #251 on July 12, 2022, 09:26:41 AM
"What got them into this position" was their ability to play golf. They don't owe the PGA anything.
Of course they don't owe the PGA anything, but the PGA allowed them to make lots of money and gave them a platform to earn even more off the course.
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 12, 2022, 11:54:06 AM
Rory thinks Tiger can contend this week. What a story that would be.
https://twitter.com/KylePorterCBS/status/1546779895551983616?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1546779895551983616%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fthespun.com%2Fmore%2Fgolf%2Frory-mcilroy-reveals-if-he-thinks-tiger-woods-can-win-this-week
Mark that on everyone's bingo board.
There was literally a headline yesterday that Tiger played a full 18 at St Andrews...but yes, lets feed the narrative that he can do that 4 times at a high level and win. YAWN
Rory is the PGA's best mouthpiece right now, might as well drum up clicks and headlines.
Quote from: LAZER on July 12, 2022, 12:35:34 PM
Of course they don't owe the PGA anything, but the PGA allowed them to make lots of money and gave them a platform to earn even more off the course.
No, the PGA didn't allow them to make lots of money. They earned the money they made because they played golf well.
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 12, 2022, 11:54:06 AM
Rory thinks Tiger can contend this week.
My money was on JT saying it, just as he had at this point of Masters week. (And I don't remember who said it at this point of PGA Championship week.)
Either way ... um ... no.
Quote from: JWags85 on July 12, 2022, 12:37:07 PM
Mark that on everyone's bingo board.
There was literally a headline yesterday that Tiger played a full 18 at St Andrews...but yes, lets feed the narrative that he can do that 4 times at a high level and win. YAWN
Rory is the PGA's best mouthpiece right now, might as well drum up clicks and headlines.
Rory speaks his mind without editing, so I believe him that Tiger can contend.
Quote from: User Name #251 on July 12, 2022, 12:54:58 PM
No, the PGA didn't allow them to make lots of money. They earned the money they made because they played golf well.
They earned money on the PGA tour and were paid by PGA sponsors because of TV exposure negotiated by the PGA. They could've played in other leagues around the world, but they chose the PGA.
Quote from: LAZER on July 12, 2022, 01:07:21 PM
They earned money on the PGA tour and were paid by PGA sponsors because of TV exposure negotiated by the PGA. They could've played in other leagues around the world, but they chose the PGA.
THEY chose the PGA. Exactly.
Quote from: User Name #251 on July 12, 2022, 01:10:01 PM
THEY chose the PGA. Exactly.
Why did they choose the PGA?
Whoosh
Quote from: LAZER on July 12, 2022, 01:20:49 PM
Why did they choose the PGA?
They chose the PGA then for the same reason they are choosing LIV now.
BTW, thank you for making my point for me.
Quote from: User Name #251 on July 12, 2022, 01:27:19 PM
They chose the PGA then for the same reason they are choosing LIV now.
BTW, thank you for making my point for me.
LOL. I'm just confused at this point. But if you're happy, I'm happy.
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 12, 2022, 01:03:09 PM
Rory speaks his mind without editing, so I believe him that Tiger can contend.
You believed JT in April, too.
But sure, technically anyone in the field CAN contend, so why not Tiger?
No rain, no wind. They are going to now tuck pins, so look for a good putter to win.
There will be lots of 75 to 100 foot putts.
Herman
Only comment from day two, I was wearing an MU pullover and got a loud Shaka shoutout from an MU student.
Quote from: nyg on July 12, 2022, 02:23:38 PM
No rain, no wind. They are going to now tuck pins, so look for a good putter to win.
There will be lots of 75 to 100 foot putts.
Yep. Spot-on nyg. If the forecast holds up there will be seven drivable Par 4's. They better tuck the pins or 59's will be in play.
Lee Trevino says Tiger can still hit the ball well, he just can't walk.
https://www.golfchannel.com/news/lee-trevino-says-tiger-woods-only-problem-walking-rest-good?amp
Tiger working on his ground game at The Open Championship. He is very good with irons. Lets see what happens.
https://golf.com/news/tiger-woods-st-andrews-chances-ground/
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 13, 2022, 09:23:58 AM
Tiger working on his ground game at The Open Championship. He is very good with irons. Lets see what happens.
https://golf.com/news/tiger-woods-st-andrews-chances-ground/
What happens? He intimidates everyone and wins by 10 strokes, of course!
I take back what I said a couple days ago about him not facing unrealistic expectations.
Quote from: MU82 on July 13, 2022, 09:43:21 AM
What happens? He intimidates everyone and wins by 10 strokes, of course!
I take back what I said a couple days ago about him not facing unrealistic expectations.
He's the only one working on his ground game from what I've read
Lazer
You are correct. Many, many of the top players have guaranteed money via very big endorsements. It may not be directly from PGA, but endorsement money for golfers is very high. Phil likely would have made over $100m in endorsements over the next four years. The PGA has provided an excellent platform for many golfers to become wealthy beyond belief without winning a tournament.
Rico
I have no idea how Tiger will fare, but he definitely was practicing shots that not many guys were trying. There were a lot of guys practicing wedge or short irons and Tiger was playing five irons like a putter, sometimes from 50+ yards off the green. Again, zero idea how he will do, but it looked like he was playing a different game.
Quote from: Goose on July 13, 2022, 10:52:27 AM
Rico
I have no idea how Tiger will fare, but he definitely was practicing shots that not many guys were trying. There were a lot of guys practicing wedge or short irons and Tiger was playing five irons like a putter, sometimes from 50+ yards off the green. Again, zero idea how he will do, but it looked like he was playing a different game.
Interesting and I'm super jealous of you being there
Rico
Sadly I will be watching the tournament from my couch in WI.. Our tickets were for first two days of practice rounds. I never would have done it if not for the 150th at St. Andrews. That said, two fantastic days and my son and I completed our major grand slam together. Even my wife, not a golf fan, loved the experience.
Probably won't watch a shot. Leelanau beckons.
Quote from: tower912 on July 13, 2022, 11:33:57 AM
Probably won't watch a shot. Leelanau beckons.
Leelanu is fantasia this time of year .
DVR works these days 8-)
p
Quote from: Goose on July 13, 2022, 11:21:03 AM
Rico
Sadly I will be watching the tournament from my couch in WI.. Our tickets were for first two days of practice rounds. I never would have done it if not for the 150th at St. Andrews. That said, two fantastic days and my son and I completed our major grand slam together. Even my wife, not a golf fan, loved the experience.
Usually getting tickets is pretty easy for an Open but being the 150th, you were fortunate to get two days. I was supposed to go but uncertainty over tickets left me home. If pro golf is still around, the plan is the next St. Andrews Open, maybe Carnoustie
Rico
Tickets for the weekend are crazy prices. I heard tickets were going for $500+ starting tomorrow. My guess is if a certain American has any chance this weekend things could get really expensive. There are a ton of American's over here and by the look and sound of them I do not think big prices will scare anyone away. We stayed in Edinburgh and our hotel was 90% American golf fans and our son's hotel was the same. Definite buzz in old Scotland yesterday and today.
Low expectations for Phil Mickelson . Teeing off at 2:30 am eastern so should be finished by early morning
https://ftw.usatoday.com/2022/07/the-open-phil-mickelson-back-again-but-not-really
If the weather stays like this they're going really low. We could see a 63 today. If the 4 day forecast doesn't change I'm predicting -20.
Good start for Rory.
Cameron Young -7 through 12. I think guys need to shoot 70 or better today. Maybe 69.
Mickelson in the clubhouse at even par
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 14, 2022, 06:27:05 AM
Mickelson in the clubhouse at even par
He's done Hermam.
It looks like the course is playing a touch harder in the afternoon but I expected lower scorers. Young should have shot a 63. Rory needs to refocus the last 5 holes.
Ouch. Not a smart shot from Tiger on 1.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 14, 2022, 09:10:20 AM
Ouch. Not a smart shot from Tiger on 1.
A little bad luck for Tiger on one hitting into a divot...
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 14, 2022, 09:24:12 AM
A little bad luck for Tiger on one hitting into a divot...
Stick a fork in him.
Rory is winning by 5 strokes
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 14, 2022, 09:45:44 AM
Rory is winning by 5 strokes
Love how Rory got off to a fast start . Would be fantastic if he can keep up solid play all four rounds
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 14, 2022, 09:27:52 AM
Stick a fork in him.
I amend my "Tiger wins by 10" prediction. Thinking he wins by at least 15 now - the comeback of the millennium!
But in the highly unlikely event that he keeps being unlucky and somehow doesn't win, I'm already looking forward to the conversation about his certain 2023 Masters victory.
I think we need to take all the positive comments from Tiger's friends with a major grain of salt. Which, I think most of us have.
This could be a quick death for Tiger
Quote from: cheebs09 on July 14, 2022, 10:37:49 AM
I think we need to take all the positive comments from Tiger's friends with a major grain of salt. Which, I think most of us have.
He hasn't got to hit his special shots that NOBODY else was practicing. JUST WAIT!!!
Quote from: JWags85 on July 14, 2022, 10:39:17 AM
He hasn't got to hit his special shots that NOBODY else was practicing. JUST WAIT!!!
Which is wild, because his short game has been awful today
+6 through 8 for Woods?? Is my phone accurate? Yikes.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 14, 2022, 11:25:37 AM
+6 through 8 for Woods?? Is my phone accurate? Yikes.
He's been terrible
How does Speith look? It looks like Scheffler is the only guy doing much in thr afternoon.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 14, 2022, 11:40:48 AM
How does Speith look? It looks like Scheffler is the only guy doing much in thr afternoon.
Like Spieth. He's had some looks and some waywardness. Grinding but avoiding the big number. So far
Wind much tougher the afternoon session.
But Rahm is really missing chances right now.
He was -2 through 7 but forsure should have been -3 and had 2 other make able birides that both missed.
THen his first miss hit on 8 results in a immediate bogey.
So hes -1 when his hole approach has had him much closer to a -3.
The moment is too big for Rahm
Dude is choking putt after putt
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 14, 2022, 11:25:37 AM
+6 through 8 for Woods?? Is my phone accurate? Yikes.
Tiger with a Birdie! Looking for 10 straight birdies now
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on July 14, 2022, 12:07:41 PM
The moment is too big for Rahm
Dude is choking putt after putt
Lolwut
This has to be Tiger's last competitive tournament before the 2023 Masters right? It seems to me he is only playing the majors this year because he's won at the courses and especially loves St. Andrews.
If they were at any other locations, I have to think he's still rehabbing and maybe gets himself and his game into good enough shape to be respectable in 2023.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 14, 2022, 12:21:07 PM
Lolwut
US Open champion and 14 time PGA tour winner, and former World #1, can't handle the pressure of the first round of a major tournament that he finished top 3 in last year. Bright lights just TOOO bright for him.
Quote from: JWags85 on July 14, 2022, 12:46:25 PM
US Open champion and 14 time PGA tour winner, and former World #1, can't handle the pressure of the first round of a major tournament that he finished top 3 in last year. Bright lights just TOOO bright for him.
Rahm is feeling the heat because it is the 150(!) Open Championship!
Quote from: cheebs09 on July 14, 2022, 12:41:47 PM
This has to be Tiger's last competitive tournament before the 2023 Masters right? It seems to me he is only playing the majors this year because he's won at the courses and especially loves St. Andrews.
If they were at any other locations, I have to think he's still rehabbing and maybe gets himself and his game into good enough shape to be respectable in 2023.
I think he will play his Hero Tournament in December, but yes, you're correct. Even if his leg allows more play in 2023, I think his tournament schedule will be quite limited. And, honestly, I think it will be like that until he officially hangs it up. Like 8 events:
Farmers, Genesis, Players, Masters, PGA, US Open, British Open, Hero.
Quote from: JWags85 on July 14, 2022, 12:46:25 PM
US Open champion and 14 time PGA tour winner, and former World #1, can't handle the pressure of the first round of a major tournament that he finished top 3 in last year. Bright lights just TOOO bright for him.
Is there a reason you doubled Rahms career win total??
As I type this he missed another easy birdie putt.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on July 14, 2022, 01:06:39 PM
Is there a reason you doubled Rahms career win total??
As I type this he missed another easy birdie putt.
He's having a bad day on the greens. It happens.
Blaming it on pressure during the first round of the tournament for experienced player like Rahm is silly. You sound like Johnny Miller.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on July 14, 2022, 01:06:39 PM
Is there a reason you doubled Rahms career win total??
As I type this he missed another easy birdie putt.
7 PGA, 6 PGA Euro tour wins (of those 6 wins, 2 are big Dubai tournies that are won previously and recently by Rory, Morikawa, and others, and 2 are the Spanish Open, not a bunch of no name Euro tournies)
He's playing like crap, but that doesn't mean the moment is "too big for him". Thats all we're making fun of you for.
Quote from: RJax55 on July 14, 2022, 01:13:25 PM
He's having a bad day on the greens. It happens.
Blaming it on pressure during the first round of the tournament for experienced player like Rahm is silly. You sound like Johnny Miller.
Rahm is the king of playing consistently solid golf.
He's not a closer
So missing putts early not good for him. Especially every single hole.
Quote from: JWags85 on July 14, 2022, 01:15:41 PM
7 PGA, 6 PGA Euro tour wins (of those 6 wins, 2 are big Dubai tournies that are won previously and recently by Rory, Morikawa, and others, and 2 are the Spanish Open, not a bunch of no name Euro tournies)
He's playing like crap, but that doesn't mean the moment is "too big for him". Thats all we're making fun of you for.
Thats the thing though, it was obviously hyperbolic.
But the guy is overrated as heck. Hes been rated consistnetly #1 for the last couple years but has pretty average winning results to show for it. Every tournament I see everyone big on Rahm. Hes got the 1 major.
And a damn Mexican open win in 2 years.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on July 14, 2022, 01:19:21 PM
Thats the thing though, it was obviously hyperbolic.
But the guy is overrated as heck. Hes been rated consistnetly #1 for the last couple years but has pretty average winning results to show for it. Every tournament I see everyone big on Rahm. Hes got the 1 major.
And a damn Mexican open win in 2 years.
He has won 7 times on the PGA tour in the last 5 years.
In that same time frame...
Rory-8
JT-10
Morikawa-5
DJ-11
Spieth-5
Bryson-8
So its not like he's trailing everyone majorly in wins. Also, in that time frame, he has 5 major top 5s, 3 more top 10s, and 3 top 15s.
He's really damn good. He wasn't #1 cause of some arbitrary ranking, its cause he's consistently performing even if he doesn't win every damn tournament.
Quote from: JWags85 on July 14, 2022, 01:31:54 PM
He has won 7 times on the PGA tour in the last 5 years.
In that same time frame...
Rory-8
JT-10
Morikawa-5
DJ-11
Spieth-5
Bryson-8
So its not like he's trailing everyone majorly in wins. Also, in that time frame, he has 5 major top 5s, 3 more top 10s, and 3 top 15s.
He's really damn good. He wasn't #1 cause of some arbitrary ranking, its cause he's consistently performing even if he doesn't win every damn tournament.
Correct.
But when most of those guys spent their times at the top of the rankings thats when they were stock piling their wins.
Spieth is a shell of himself now. Rahm is clearly better. But when Spieth was put on a pedestal the guy was raking in wins.
Scheffler now. Dude is a machine. Hes consistent and has 4 wins.
Again, not saying Rahm is bad. I even said the reason why hes been ranked where he is is due to consistency to always finish well.
I am talking him strictly as a winner. Guy is always regarded as a clear front runner to doesnt get it done.
Rahm should be the odds on favorite every tournament(outside of Scheffler right now) if the bet is to finish top 10.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on July 14, 2022, 01:40:40 PM
Correct.
But when most of those guys spent their times at the top of the rankings thats when they were stock piling their wins.
Spieth is a shell of himself now. Rahm is clearly better. But when Spieth was put on a pedestal the guy was raking in wins.
Scheffler now. Dude is a machine. Hes consistent and has 4 wins.
Again, not saying Rahm is bad. I even said the reason why hes been ranked where he is is due to consistency to always finish well.
I am talking him strictly as a winner. Guy is always regarded as a clear front runner to doesnt get it done.
Rahm should be the odds on favorite every tournament(outside of Scheffler right now) if the bet is to finish top 10.
You said he was "overrated as heck" which is based on nothing other than thinking he should win more tournaments. After saying the moment is too big for him in the first round of a major.
People are big on him in every major cause he's almost always in the discussion on the leaderboard. Far worse things to be and not the mark of someone overrated. The number of players in the modern, post WW2 era who have won more than 1 major is like 50. Its really damn hard. He'll end up with 3-4 when all is said and done, which would put him in really heady company.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on July 14, 2022, 01:40:40 PM
Correct.
But when most of those guys spent their times at the top of the rankings thats when they were stock piling their wins.
Spieth is a shell of himself now. Rahm is clearly better. But when Spieth was put on a pedestal the guy was raking in wins.
Scheffler now. Dude is a machine. Hes consistent and has 4 wins.
Again, not saying Rahm is bad. I even said the reason why hes been ranked where he is is due to consistency to always finish well.
I am talking him strictly as a winner. Guy is always regarded as a clear front runner to doesnt get it done.
Rahm should be the odds on favorite every tournament(outside of Scheffler right now) if the bet is to finish top 10.
Reminds me of people saying that the Packers are over-rated because they can't ever win the NFC championship game.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on July 14, 2022, 01:40:40 PM
Correct.
But when most of those guys spent their times at the top of the rankings thats when they were stock piling their wins.
Spieth is a shell of himself now. Rahm is clearly better. But when Spieth was put on a pedestal the guy was raking in wins.
Scheffler now. Dude is a machine. Hes consistent and has 4 wins.
Again, not saying Rahm is bad. I even said the reason why hes been ranked where he is is due to consistency to always finish well.
I am talking him strictly as a winner. Guy is always regarded as a clear front runner to doesnt get it done.
Rahm should be the odds on favorite every tournament(outside of Scheffler right now) if the bet is to finish top 10.
He hasn't been as good in 2022 as previous years and his putter is part of the problem, not the pressure of the tournament
Who is Dinwiddie?
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 14, 2022, 08:11:06 PM
Who is Dinwiddie?
A name we often see near the lead at an Open that we'll never see again
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 14, 2022, 08:31:09 PM
A name we often see near the lead at an Open that we'll never see again
I would think Rory finds a way to get this one. He looks extremely comfortable out there.
I never liked Lee Westwood. I dunno why but he annoys me.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 14, 2022, 08:35:11 PM
I never liked Lee Westwood. I dunno why but he annoys me.
He's very stupid. When asked what his favorite book is, he said nine because he doesn't read .
He lost all his money in his divorce and he's a choker when it matters most. That putt he missed at Hazeltine in the '16 Ryder Cup against Ryan Moore was one of the worst putts in Ryder Cup history.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 14, 2022, 09:32:48 PM
He's very stupid. When asked what his favorite book is, he said nine because he doesn't read .
He lost all his money in his divorce and he's a choker when it matters most. That putt he missed at Hazeltine in the '16 Ryder Cup against Ryan Moore was one of the worst putts in Ryder Cup history.
He reminds me of the deputy in Mississippi Burning. You know the guy who Hackman has a little chat with at the barber shop? "You got a stupid looking smile don't you pal? Can you see it?" :)
That guy is also a great actor by the way. He was Billy Bibbit in Cuckoo's Nest.
Scores are low so far Today. Cut may be below par .
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 15, 2022, 06:46:30 AM
Scores are low so far Today. Cut may be below par .
Yep. I may not be too far off with my -20 prediction.
Rain with little wind means a 61 might be out there.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 14, 2022, 09:32:48 PM
He's very stupid. When asked what his favorite book is, he said nine because he doesn't read .
He lost all his money in his divorce and he's a choker when it matters most. That putt he missed at Hazeltine in the '16 Ryder Cup against Ryan Moore was one of the worst putts in Ryder Cup history.
So not a big fan either, eh?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 15, 2022, 08:01:56 AM
So not a big fan either, eh?
Nope. He was one of that wave of European Ryder cuppers who liked to talk about how the Ryder Cup was bigger than majors, mostly because he always came up short in majors. Had rabbit ears, too, at the Ryder Cup. Bit of a whiner about that, despite his "love" of the event.
Liked to take veiled shots at the Tour like skipping the Players when he was number one in the world or close to number one. He happily took the money the events paid out, however.
Look out for Cam Smith. Cantlay is also in the mix.
I know it's Tiger Woods but showing literally all of his drives and every shot of his at this juncture is pretty silly and bad for the viewer.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 15, 2022, 08:25:18 AM
I know it's Tiger Woods but showing literally all of his drives and every shot of his at this juncture is pretty silly and bad for the viewer.
Eh. It's how all these tournaments always go and it could be his last time playing competitively at St. Andrews. Using the term competitively loosely.
I just turned it on and he was limping pretty bad. Even if somehow the golf was there, it feels like his body wouldn't hold up for 4 rounds.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 15, 2022, 08:16:30 AM
Nope. He was one of that wave of European Ryder cuppers who liked to talk about how the Ryder Cup was bigger than majors, mostly because he always came up short in majors. Had rabbit ears, too, at the Ryder Cup. Bit of a whiner about that, despite his "love" of the event.
Liked to take veiled shots at the Tour like skipping the Players when he was number one in the world or close to number one. He happily took the money the events paid out, however.
Hey, someone needed to fill the shoes of Colin Montgomerie.
I thought Poulter did that.
Quote from: cheebs09 on July 15, 2022, 08:47:37 AM
Eh. It's how all these tournaments always go and it could be his last time playing competitively at St. Andrews. Using the term competitively loosely.
I just turned it on and he was limping pretty bad. Even if somehow the golf was there, it feels like his body wouldn't hold up for 4 rounds.
I get it but they're doing a poor job imo. You have three guys at -8 and we've seen very few of their shots.
Rory saying Tiger could contend reminded me of when the 20-year-old me thought Ali had a chance against Holmes because Ali looked trim and fit on the cover of SI a couple days before the fight.
Quote from: tower912 on July 15, 2022, 08:55:10 AM
I thought Poulter did that.
Actually it is eerie just how similar the careers' of Montgomerie and Westwood are. 10 years apart and oh so much in common. They even share the experience of losing a ton of money to their first wives in extremely acrimonious divorces.
Quote from: RJax55 on July 15, 2022, 09:08:26 AM
Actually it is eerie just how similar the careers' of Montgomerie and Westwood are. 10 years apart and oh so much in common. They even share the experience of losing a ton of money to their first wives in extremely acrimonious divorces.
Neither one is very bright, either
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 15, 2022, 08:57:42 AM
I get it but they're doing a poor job imo. You have three guys at -8 and we've seen very few of their shots.
Have you not watched any event Tiger has played in during the last 10 years? It is what it is. They are going to show his shots no matter where he is in the field.
Be thankful Tiger is not going to make the cut on the number and we won't have to watch final round shots from a guy finishing 48th.
Quote from: RJax55 on July 15, 2022, 09:22:30 AM
Have you not watched any event Tiger has played in during the last 10 years? It is what it is. They are going to show his shots no matter where he is in the field.
Be thankful Tiger is not going to make the cut on the number and we won't have to watch final round shots from a guy finishing 48th.
I guess I'm a little irritable. I was hoping to watch sone great golf before work like yesterday. Hopefully this next hour will be no nonsense.
I remember seeing a lot of Arnie's shots and a lot of Jack's shots during their final Open appearances.
Quote from: RJax55 on July 15, 2022, 09:22:30 AM
Be thankful Tiger is not going to make the cut on the number and we won't have to watch final round shots from a guy finishing 48th.
Yeah, I agree that all things Tiger coverage just are what they are, but its just making me feel bad for everyone at this point. Tiger essentially came out before the tournament and was like "idk, I just like playing St. Andrews." He's clearly in rough shape, shoots a +6 in R1, and the ESPN headline for his round this morning is/was "Tiger has a lot of work to do at The Open, and here is how his second round is going." I mean, cmon guys, you can even have your wire to wire Tiger coverage without having to develop a ludicrous "Is he going to win?" narrative.
If it were Saturday or Sunday, I would be annoyed as well. It's a Friday morning. They are doing what they can to keep people tuned in.
Smith can really roll it. It's time for Rory to start launching arrows at these pins.
Quote from: MUBurrow on July 15, 2022, 09:29:54 AM
Yeah, I agree that all things Tiger coverage just are what they are, but its just making me feel bad for everyone at this point. Tiger essentially came out before the tournament and was like "idk, I just like playing St. Andrews." He's clearly in rough shape, shoots a +6 in R1, and the ESPN headline for his round this morning is/was "Tiger has a lot of work to do at The Open, and here is how his second round is going." I mean, cmon guys, you can even have your wire to wire Tiger coverage without having to develop a ludicrous "Is he going to win?" narrative.
Headline on ESPN Golf right now is "Tiger Woods missed the cut at the Open, here's how it happened"...like it was some strange course of events, lol.
My gripe is more with people that like to claim they are "golf fans" but yet they are the ones who this coverage is catered to and who think that Tiger is going to contend. If you're a Tiger fanboy, cool, at least own it. Don't pretend to love the PGA/professional golf and still be deluded enough to think a broken 50 year old Tiger is still a threat and deserves equal billing.
Top 10 asshat golfers ever?
Would Westwood, Poulter, and Monty all be firmly on this list?
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 15, 2022, 09:51:11 AM
Top 10 asshat golfers ever?
Would Westwood, Poulter, and Monty all be firmly on this list?
For what its worth, I kinda liked Poulter (at least before the LIV defection) in the same way I described liking Kyrgios in the tennis thread. There's something cool about guys who just own being a total villain on the course/court/field. I hadn't really heard much about him as a bad guy off the course, and I know that the Euros loved him in the clubhouse for Ryder Cup stuff. The LIV thing shakes up the snowglobe of how I feel about a lot of these dudes, though.
Quote from: MUBurrow on July 15, 2022, 09:54:16 AM
For what its worth, I kinda liked Poulter (at least before the LIV defection) in the same way I described liking Kyrgios in the tennis thread. There's something cool about guys who just own being a total villain on the course/court/field. I hadn't really heard much about him as a bad guy off the course, and I know that the Euros loved him in the clubhouse for Ryder Cup stuff. The LIV thing shakes up the snowglobe of how I feel about a lot of these dudes, though.
There is some truth to what you're saying. I'm just throwing the question out there. There also may be distinctions between asshats and douchebags....someone smarter than I am would have to figure out the criteria.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 15, 2022, 09:51:11 AM
Top 10 asshat golfers ever?
Would Westwood, Poulter, and Monty all be firmly on this list?
Phil is making a strong back 9 charge.
I imagine this list is all under the assumption that Norman is chairman of the board.
Also, I have to imagine Sergio is on that list. There may be a European Ryder Cup bias here.
Quote from: cheebs09 on July 15, 2022, 11:03:58 AM
Also, I have to imagine Sergio is on that list. There may be a European Ryder Cup bias here.
They've all earned it. Run their mouths about the sanctity of the Ryder Cup and run to the money grab knowing it could cost them Ryder Cup cantancies.
And Sergio is a petulant child outside the Ryder Cup.
Quote from: JWags85 on July 15, 2022, 09:47:37 AM
Headline on ESPN Golf right now is "Tiger Woods missed the cut at the Open, here's how it happened"...like it was some strange course of events, lol.
My gripe is more with people that like to claim they are "golf fans" but yet they are the ones who this coverage is catered to and who think that Tiger is going to contend. If you're a Tiger fanboy, cool, at least own it. Don't pretend to love the PGA/professional golf and still be deluded enough to think a broken 50 year old Tiger is still a threat and deserves equal billing.
This.
Still, it has been weirdly amusing listening to the claims that he's gonna contend for this or that. The guy's old, plays competitive golf a few times a year, and can't walk 3 holes without limping.
Sounds like a contender!
Quote from: MU82 on July 15, 2022, 11:18:02 AM
This.
Still, it has been weirdly amusing listening to the claims that he's gonna contend for this or that. The guy's old, plays competitive golf a few times a year, and can't walk 3 holes without limping.
Sounds like a contender!
You know why they run those stories and show him on TV? Because people talk about him and he draws eyeballs regardless if he is playing well or not and whether you like him or not.
The difference between Tiger walking up 18 and Phil was staggering. Phil will never have that moment. Threw it away
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 15, 2022, 12:17:06 PM
The difference between Tiger walking up 18 and Phil was staggering. Phil will never have that moment. Threw it away
But got paid a bunch to do so.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 15, 2022, 11:20:21 AM
You know why they run those stories and show him on TV? Because people talk about him and he draws eyeballs regardless if he is playing well or not and whether you like him or not.
Oh, I'm fully aware of all that. I don't mind the Tiger focus - I'm always curious about how he's playing too. And I "like" Tiger just fine - like most here, I've been thrilled many times by his accomplishments.
I just get a kick out of the runaway optimism that flies in the face of facts.
Quote from: JWags85 on July 15, 2022, 09:47:37 AM
Headline on ESPN Golf right now is "Tiger Woods missed the cut at the Open, here's how it happened"...like it was some strange course of events, lol.
My gripe is more with people that like to claim they are "golf fans" but yet they are the ones who this coverage is catered to and who think that Tiger is going to contend. If you're a Tiger fanboy, cool, at least own it. Don't pretend to love the PGA/professional golf and still be deluded enough to think a broken 50 year old Tiger is still a threat and deserves equal billing.
My gripe is that's a garbage headline that would have been given a D in any journalism class (at least before the widespread adoption of clickbait headline writing, maybe it's different now <shakes fist at cloud>).
Phil looked like a lost soul when I saw him on Tuesday. Aside from the upfront money I cannot see anything in his golf life that could be making him happy. For a guy that loves the spotlight, it was awfully quiet fan support for him at the practice round. I have seen Phil plenty of times over the years and he cannot walk five feet without fans yelling out his name while on PGA tour and he was greeted by silence. He threw away a lifetime of accomplishments and it is a sad story, IMO.
Quote from: Goose on July 15, 2022, 01:09:02 PM
Phil looked like a lost soul when I saw him on Tuesday. Aside from the upfront money I cannot see anything in his golf life that could be making him happy. For a guy that loves the spotlight, it was awfully quiet fan support for him at the practice round. I have seen Phil plenty of times over the years and he cannot walk five feet without fans yelling out his name while on PGA tour and he was greeted by silence. He threw away a lifetime of accomplishments and it is a sad story, IMO.
But at least he can count his millions between the tears.
Quote from: tower912 on July 15, 2022, 09:28:06 AM
I remember seeing a lot of Arnie's shots and a lot of Jack's shots during their final Open appearances.
Is this Tiger's final Open appearance?
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Phil was making in excess of $40m a year in endorsements and would have kept getting big endorsement deals for another 10-15 years. If he received $200m it came at a financial cost down the road and probably will end up costing him future earnings. I 100% believe that Phil will regret this move to Liv for the rest of his life. He outsmarted himself and has already missed out on Masters Champions Dinner, defending PGA and being part of the 150th British above playing for two days. Those three events alone are not everyday events and he spent a lifetime getting to this level and he tossed away.
I do believe everyone gets second or third chances in life, especially sports figures, but you do not get back lost opportunities. Of all the Liv guys, he made the biggest bet going all in and time will tell what happens to him.
Quote from: Goose on July 15, 2022, 02:23:04 PM
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Phil was making in excess of $40m a year in endorsements and would have kept getting big endorsement deals for another 10-15 years. If he received $200m it came at a financial cost down the road and probably will end up costing him future earnings. I 100% believe that Phil will regret this move to Liv for the rest of his life. He outsmarted himself and has already missed out on Masters Champions Dinner, defending PGA and being part of the 150th British above playing for two days. Those three events alone are not everyday events and he spent a lifetime getting to this level and he tossed away.
I do believe everyone gets second or third chances in life, especially sports figures, but you do not get back lost opportunities. Of all the Liv guys, he made the biggest bet going all in and time will tell what happens to him.
That's true, but some of that is projecting our feelings onto Phil. To him, he may not care about all of that stuff. He could just care about how his bank account looks and not give a rip about the sentimental stuff.
It's kind of how people talk about Sam losing future opportunities with MU by transferring. That might not be something he cares about.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 15, 2022, 01:53:09 PM
Is this Tiger's final Open appearance?
Maybe. Maybe at St. Andrews. Maybe the leg miraculously heals.
Quote from: Goose on July 15, 2022, 02:23:04 PM
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Phil was making in excess of $40m a year in endorsements and would have kept getting big endorsement deals for another 10-15 years. If he received $200m it came at a financial cost down the road and probably will end up costing him future earnings. I 100% believe that Phil will regret this move to Liv for the rest of his life. He outsmarted himself and has already missed out on Masters Champions Dinner, defending PGA and being part of the 150th British above playing for two days. Those three events alone are not everyday events and he spent a lifetime getting to this level and he tossed away.
I do believe everyone gets second or third chances in life, especially sports figures, but you do not get back lost opportunities. Of all the Liv guys, he made the biggest bet going all in and time will tell what happens to him.
Goose,
The LIV is going to blow up in all of these players' faces. As for Phil I have a lot of trouble having sympathy for the guy. This is a man who apparently gambled away 40 mill in 4 yrs. I mean think of how astounding this really is regardless of one's income or net worth? And whose to say it isn't a hell of a lot more and that's just the tip of the iceberg? A person who pisses away that kind of coin is likely going to piss away the 150-200m he could make with LIV or on the PGA tour with endorsements.
Quote from: cheebs09 on July 15, 2022, 02:38:20 PM
That's true, but some of that is projecting our feelings onto Phil. To him, he may not care about all of that stuff. He could just care about how his bank account looks and not give a rip about the sentimental stuff.
It's kind of how people talk about Sam losing future opportunities with MU by transferring. That might not be something he cares about.
Yes. I would guess at this very moment his $ is all he cares about and we don't know 1/4 of what he owes people or other skeletons in his closet. But Goose is right that in the long run he will look back and regret he made this choice.
If LIV golf tournaments don't count toward world ranking points, in the not too distant future a lot of their golfers will be ineligible for the majors. The big wild card are the boys in green running that little tournament in Augusta. If they ban former champions who went to LIV golf, the end will be sooner rather than later.
And I read that Tiger actually took a stand. Great.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 15, 2022, 03:41:31 PM
Yes. I would guess at this very moment his $ is all he cares about and we don't know 1/4 of what he owes people or other skeletons in his closet. But Goose is right that in the long run he will look back and regret he made this choice.
I could be wrong, but I still think we might be underestimating the kind of creditors that are in the orbit of a guy with his sort of gambling problems plus his access to funds. By the time you jump into bed with the Saudis and literally start showing up places looking like this - https://twitter.com/edsbs/status/1534279469070000132?s=20&t=oLYXSfz5bns19ktTyvYg-Q (https://twitter.com/edsbs/status/1534279469070000132?s=20&t=oLYXSfz5bns19ktTyvYg-Q) - there's a good chance we aren't talking about "strongly worded letter; I declare bankruptcy gif from the office" type creditors. At some point, Occams Razor flips to the point where the conspiracy is the simpler explanation. And for me we're reaching the point where "he's this much of a proud, money-craving maniac" is becoming a less simple explanation than "he needed the money -
NOW."
Quote from: Goose on July 15, 2022, 02:23:04 PM
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Phil was making in excess of $40m a year in endorsements and would have kept getting big endorsement deals for another 10-15 years. If he received $200m it came at a financial cost down the road and probably will end up costing him future earnings. I 100% believe that Phil will regret this move to Liv for the rest of his life. He outsmarted himself and has already missed out on Masters Champions Dinner, defending PGA and being part of the 150th British above playing for two days. Those three events alone are not everyday events and he spent a lifetime getting to this level and he tossed away.
I do believe everyone gets second or third chances in life, especially sports figures, but you do not get back lost opportunities. Of all the Liv guys, he made the biggest bet going all in and time will tell what happens to him.
I hope Mickelson gets his addiction taken care of, pays off his debts, and goes on to have a healthy life - same as I wish for everybody. I don't "hate" Phil, and I've enjoyed watching him play. I've just always thought he was a phony.
As for him having regrets ... meh. He made his bed, and he now gets to sleep in it. It was his choice, and his alone, to go for the blood money.
Quote from: MUBurrow on July 15, 2022, 03:59:59 PM
I could be wrong, but I still think we might be underestimating the kind of creditors that are in the orbit of a guy with his sort of gambling problems plus his access to funds. By the time you jump into bed with the Saudis and literally start showing up places looking like this - https://twitter.com/edsbs/status/1534279469070000132?s=20&t=oLYXSfz5bns19ktTyvYg-Q (https://twitter.com/edsbs/status/1534279469070000132?s=20&t=oLYXSfz5bns19ktTyvYg-Q) - there's a good chance we aren't talking about "strongly worded letter; I declare bankruptcy gif from the office" type creditors. At some point, Occams Razor flips to the point where the conspiracy is the simpler explanation. And for me we're reaching the point where "he's this much of a proud, money-craving maniac" is becoming a less simple explanation than "he needed the money - NOW."
It's agree It's possible he needed the coin immediately. The point is we have no idea what debts he could presently have.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 15, 2022, 04:24:28 PM
It's agree It's possible he needed the coin immediately. The point is we have no idea what debts he could presently have.
Muggsy:
We had a small business partnership with Mickelson. Things went well and he seemed like a good guy at the time. That was about 20 years ago , before he started winning majors . Seemed like when the big money came in , his lifestyle and focus changed . So as you point out who knows what kind of a pickle he is in.
Phil is sweating the Billy Walters book. Wait
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 15, 2022, 08:18:57 PM
Phil is sweating the Billy Walters book. Wait
https://golf.com/news/tournaments/phil-mickelsons-open-championship-ended-in-a-whimper/
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 15, 2022, 06:07:24 PM
Muggsy:
We had a small business partnership with Mickelson. Things went well and he seemed like a good guy at the time. That was about 20 years ago , before he started winning majors . Seemed like when the big money came in , his lifestyle and focus changed . So as you point out who knows what kind of a pickle he is in.
Interesting Herman. While I'm not unsympathetic to those that have a gambling addiction, it's very difficult for me to feel bad about someone who has those resources, lives extravagantly, and throws away an insane amount of money. Especially when you earn and accumulate generational wealth. Maybe this new book will bring more details to light, but I've read some anecdotal things that are extremely troubling about Mickelson's propensity to bet disgusting amounts of cash.
Quote from: JWags85 on July 15, 2022, 09:47:37 AM
Headline on ESPN Golf right now is "Tiger Woods missed the cut at the Open, here's how it happened"...like it was some strange course of events, lol.
My gripe is more with people that like to claim they are "golf fans" but yet they are the ones who this coverage is catered to and who think that Tiger is going to contend. If you're a Tiger fanboy, cool, at least own it. Don't pretend to love the PGA/professional golf and still be deluded enough to think a broken 50 year old Tiger is still a threat and deserves equal billing.
I understand your greater point here and I pretty much agree. But I think the case with Tiger is different than it would be for almost anyone else in any sport. He changed the game. He made the tour what it is today. He made hundreds of million of dollars for other players on the tour.
No rational person thought he could win (even his fanboys & the writers at ESPN knew that). The best anyone could have hoped for was that he made the cut. But he deserved the honor of ESPN centering their coverage around him. Tiger was featured because of his career.
Pujols is in the HR derby because of his career. Miggy is in the AS game because of his career. These honors and attention are all well deserved.
The Billy Walters book definitely has Lefty's attention. Billy knows Phil well and has a grudge with him, I think his book will share some insights into the dark side of Phil. Billy thinks Phil could have helped keep him out of prison and he has had plenty of time to write this book.
Quote from: Goose on July 16, 2022, 05:55:21 AM
The Billy Walters book definitely has Lefty's attention. Billy knows Phil well and has a grudge with him, I think his book will share some insights into the dark side of Phil. Billy thinks Phil could have helped keep him out of prison and he has had plenty of time to write this book.
Uh-Oh.
Two 66's have been posted already. This course has no defense with little wind and some rain. This thing is wide open.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 16, 2022, 08:32:11 AM
Two 66's have been posted already. This course has no defense with little wind and some rain. This thing is wide open.
The advantage is with guys who can really judge their putting distance
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 16, 2022, 10:01:40 AM
The advantage is with guys who can really judge their putting distance
Yep. It's for the most part going to be a putting contest and the big hitters have an advantage on many par 4's. Shaky start for the leaders.
It's right there for Rory. He's missed two very makeable birdie putts and has another opportunity on 4. It's time for him to start draining them. Hovland with two bombs.
I don't think he's out of it, but I have a hunch Cam Smith is finishing at like -13/-14 today. So there is tons of opportunity. DJ missing that par putt hurt cause he looked like he wanted to run out a 31/32 on the front
It's wide open. I expect someone to be at -16 by the end of the round.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 16, 2022, 10:35:25 AM
It's right there for Rory. He's missed two very makeable birdie putts and has another opportunity on 4. It's time for him to start draining them. Hovland with two bombs.
The moment is too big for Rory
Lets see if Hovland can keep it up but my god he's EN FUEGO
Quote from: JWags85 on July 16, 2022, 11:10:34 AM
Lets see if Hovland can keep it up but my god he's EN FUEGO
Maybe that tee shot on 7 brings him back to earth. :)
Meanwhile Cam Smith has been a total dumpster 🔥.
Holy sh!t! Rory literally just got me out of my seat!!! Wow!
Quote from: MU82 on July 16, 2022, 12:05:46 PM
Holy sh!t! Rory literally just got me out of my seat!!! Wow!
Uhhhhh......BAM!!!!
Let's go now!!
Exciting stuff. I will amend my -16 to -17.
If scoring were this low at a US Open or PGA Championship course - even a great one - lotsa people would be whining about it being too "easy" and not enough
of a "test."
But I'm rather enjoying the fact that these guys are owning St. Andrews so far. Birdies and eagles are out there ... and these incredible shotmakers are getting them.
BRUTAL 3-putt from DJ on 13.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 16, 2022, 12:49:42 PM
BRUTAL 3-putt from DJ on 13.
I really feel bad for him.
Quote from: MU82 on July 16, 2022, 12:50:25 PM
I really feel bad for him.
LOL.
Young is hanging in there.
Moronic decision by Cam Smith. Too bad Peter Alliss is no longer with us. :(
It's looking like a three man race.
Brilliant putt and par on 17 from VH.
We appear to have a match play situation tomorrow.
Gonna be an exciting Sunday.
Looking forward to Rory and Hovland going head to head tomorrow .
Rory has that hop in his step when he is doing well and Hovland has the talent to match .
Rory shot on 10 Worth watching again
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheOpen/status/1548353506179891204?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1548353506179891204%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fd-2887293446339141183.ampproject.net%2F2206221455000%2Fframe.html
Quote from: MU82 on July 16, 2022, 12:38:01 PM
If scoring were this low at a US Open or PGA Championship course - even a great one - lotsa people would be whining about it being too "easy" and not enough
of a "test."
But I'm rather enjoying the fact that these guys are owning St. Andrews so far. Birdies and eagles are out there ... and these incredible shotmakers are getting them.
It actually makes for fascinating golf. Cause without the wind and weather, courses like SA are short and "easy" distance wise for tour pros. But then the rolling fairways and monster hard greens make things interesting. Its actually fun. Cause it temps you to get crazy with the distance but can still punish you without the wind.
Hovland and Rory have a great set up for tomorrow...but then 64/65 is still out there, which would put someone like Scheffler to get to -18 or so and make things intriguing.
Totally unrelated, my best friend since I was in first grade has a side business making custom headcovers. He does a ton of re-purposing things like jackets, jerseys, pin flags, etc... into headcovers. Its just a fun hobby but he's gotten some good press in the past. This week he revealed that he got contacted to do a giveaway in conjunction with Adam Scott and Uniqlo where he turned some of their rain jackets into headcovers. SUPER cool. The fact that Adam Scott is playing well and currently in the top 10, bringing extra attention to him, is even cool.
Get it, Rors
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 16, 2022, 04:58:21 PM
Get it, Rors
Rory needs to stay in his "cocoon" for one more day. Rooting for him.
https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/34253784/all-eyes-st-andrews-rory-mcilroy-holy-grail-moment-open
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 16, 2022, 05:19:11 PM
Rory needs to stay in his "cocoon" for one more day. Rooting for him.
https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/34253784/all-eyes-st-andrews-rory-mcilroy-holy-grail-moment-open
Half-jokingly been saying he'd go 66-66 on the weekend and enjoy an easy stroll up 18 on Sunday. Half way there
Quote from: JWags85 on July 16, 2022, 04:20:31 PM
It actually makes for fascinating golf. Cause without the wind and weather, courses like SA are short and "easy" distance wise for tour pros. But then the rolling fairways and monster hard greens make things interesting. Its actually fun. Cause it temps you to get crazy with the distance but can still punish you without the wind.
Hovland and Rory have a great set up for tomorrow...but then 64/65 is still out there, which would put someone like Scheffler to get to -18 or so and make things intriguing.
Totally unrelated, my best friend since I was in first grade has a side business making custom headcovers. He does a ton of re-purposing things like jackets, jerseys, pin flags, etc... into headcovers. Its just a fun hobby but he's gotten some good press in the past. This week he revealed that he got contacted to do a giveaway in conjunction with Adam Scott and Uniqlo where he turned some of their rain jackets into headcovers. SUPER cool. The fact that Adam Scott is playing well and currently in the top 10, bringing extra attention to him, is even cool.
Agree with everything about the course. There is still plenty of trouble to be found, but you're right -- the winner certainly could be someone not currently in the top 5.
Great stuff about your buddy's headcovers. Does he have a website?
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 16, 2022, 05:19:11 PM
Rory needs to stay in his "cocoon" for one more day. Rooting for him.
https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/34253784/all-eyes-st-andrews-rory-mcilroy-holy-grail-moment-open
Me too. He's a local boy and we are friends with his neighbor. When he won in 2014, he threw a hell of a party. We got invited by the neighbors, but we're out of town. :-[
Hoping for a second chance!
Quote from: MU82 on July 16, 2022, 05:53:54 PM
Agree with everything about the course. There is still plenty of trouble to be found, but you're right -- the winner certainly could be someone not currently in the top 5.
Great stuff about your buddy's headcovers. Does he have a website?
I think it's extremely unlikely someone outside the top 5 wins the Open. What that would essentially mean is someone shooting a 63 or better.
Quote from: MU82 on July 16, 2022, 05:53:54 PM
Agree with everything about the course. There is still plenty of trouble to be found, but you're right -- the winner certainly could be someone not currently in the top 5.
Great stuff about your buddy's headcovers. Does he have a website?
He's most active on IG (@pushcutcustom) but otherwise its...https://push-cut.myshopify.com/
I'm going to go with -21. On Thurs I wrote -20 but I think I undershot.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 16, 2022, 06:01:54 PM
I think it's extremely unlikely someone outside the top 5 wins the Open. What that would essentially mean is someone shooting a 63 or better.
You're probably right ... but Sam Burns is already in with a 64, and some guy named K
Sadom Kaewkanjana is -5 after 9. So 63 or 62 is quite possible from somebody.
Quote from: MU82 on July 17, 2022, 07:27:40 AM
You're probably right ... but Sam Burns is already in with a 64, and some guy named K
Sadom Kaewkanjana is -5 after 9. So 63 or 62 is quite possible from somebody.
It's not impossible but I can't see both Rory and Viktor shooting a 70 or more. So for the guys 6 stokes back we're talking a 63 which is perhaps doable but under the pressure super difficult. I expect a match-play situation the back 9.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 17, 2022, 07:35:55 AM
It's not impossible but I can't see both Rory and Viktor shooting a 70 or more. So for the guys 6 stokes back we're talking a 63 which is perhaps doable but under the pressure super difficult. I expect a match-play situation the back 9.
Just to make something clear: I am in no way predicting somebody outside the top 5 winning. I'm saying that when conditions make it possible for the likes of a Sam Burns to shoot a 64, it puts low-60s in play and could make guys at the top of the leaderboard have to sweat a little to win.
I picked Rory before the tournament started, and I'm obviously sticking with him. As you said, he's as likely to go low as anyone.
Quote from: MU82 on July 17, 2022, 08:09:46 AM
Just to make something clear: I am in no way predicting somebody outside the top 5 winning. I'm saying that when conditions make it possible for the likes of a Sam Burns to shoot a 64, it puts low-60s in play and could make guys at the top of the leaderboard have to sweat a little to win.
I picked Rory before the tournament started, and I'm obviously sticking with him. As you said, he's as likely to go low as anyone.
We're going to know after thr first 5 holes whether those at-12 or -11 can put some pressure on thr final pairing.
This is a huge day for Rory and actually for the sport as well. Taking nothing away from these other guys but it would be very good for golf if Rory wins this thing. The 2nd best result would be like a 60 from Speith or Scheffy cashing in.
Ughhh. Rory air-mailed that wedge a bit on 2 from 93 yards. Hopefully he calms down, that should have been an easy birdie putt.
Wow. Some early nerves I suppose.
Rory seems solid , Hovland a bit nervous and understandably so
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 17, 2022, 10:08:09 AM
Rory seems solid , Hovland a bit nervous and understandably so
Huge swing on 5 Herman. Hopefully Rory can stretch this out a bit.
Too bad Speith bogeyed 8. He has a great chance to be -5 through 11.
I can't say I'm thrilled by the TV coverage. Way too many commercials and they have shown almost no shots from anyone outside the last two groups other than their putts.
Pretty shocked Rory is only -1 through 9. At least three missed birdie chances. He could have been super close to slamming the door. He's still in control but needs a birdie on 10.
if spieth would've made a few of some very very make-able birdie putts, he would be right in this thing. he's burned multiple edges
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 17, 2022, 10:55:33 AM
Pretty shocked Rory is only -1 through 9. At least three missed birdie chances. He could have been super close to slamming the door. He's still in control but needs a birdie on 10.
He's been better on the back all week. He's playing controlled and fairly conservative. Realizes he can two putt his way to a title potentially.
Huge birdie on 10 from Rory. Cam Smith is coming.
We could use a meltdown hole for Smith. I don't feel great that he's 1 stroke back with the way he's putting.
Uh-Oh. Time for Rory to birdie 13 and eagle 14.
Incredible stuff by Smith. How will Rory do under pressure? Fun stuff for viewers.
Damn. Rory must answer. Immediately. Smith with 5 straight birdies.
Quote from: MU82 on July 17, 2022, 11:42:45 AM
Incredible stuff by Smith. How will Rory do under pressure? Fun stuff for viewers.
Predict the meltdown hole. 17?
Wow. Young can absolutely tattoo his drives. He's not a huge guy.
Smith I'm at not go backwards . Rory will need to make more birdies.
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 17, 2022, 11:50:26 AM
Smith I'm at not go backwards . Rory will need to make more birdies.
Big probs now for Rory Herman. I'm not happy.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 17, 2022, 11:52:56 AM
Big probs now for Rory Herman. I'm not happy.
Told you Thursday it would come down to putting.
First two rounds Smith had 28 putts, 35 in third. Today he is on track for less than 28. Had he did that yesterday, it would be a runaway.
Rory has two putted every green, enroute for 36 putts. Ugh.....
Comes down to 17 road hole. Exciting stuff.
Quote from: nyg on July 17, 2022, 11:59:43 AM
Told you Thursday it would come down to putting.
First two rounds Smith had 28 putts, 35 in third. Today he is on track for less than 28. Had he did that yesterday, it would be a runaway.
Rory has two putted every green, enroute for 36 putts. Ugh.....
Comes down to 17 road hole. Exciting stuff.
Fk. Great shot by Smith on 16.
You were right. . It's the three missed relatively short birdie puts that could come back to bite Rory.
We obviously now need a meltdown from Smith on 17. :)
It's probably over if Smith drains the birdie on 16. Anyone know Voodoo stuff?
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 17, 2022, 12:06:26 PM
It's probably over if Smith drains the birdie on 16. Anyone know Voodoo stuff?
Why do you dislike Smith so much? Or are you just this big a Rory fan all the time?
Quote from: MU82 on July 17, 2022, 12:11:36 PM
Why do you dislike Smith so much? Or are you just this big a Rory fan all the time?
I like Smith, I'm just a Rory fan.
Rory's wedge game along with the missed putts may just be too much to overcome.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 17, 2022, 12:12:19 PM
I like Smith, I'm just a Rory fan.
Rory has had many opportunities with wedge in hand, not producing, which has been his nemesis. He just tugged that one from 90 yards to about 30 feet. Two putt coming up.
Gonna come down to who pars 17.
Quote from: nyg on July 17, 2022, 12:17:22 PM
Rory has had many opportunities with wedge in hand, not producing, which has been his nemesis. He just tugged that one from 90 yards to about 30 feet. Two putt coming up.
Gonna come down to who pars 17.
Young has a great birdie opportunity and 18 is a possible eagle opportunity. We need Smith to miss the par putt on 17. :)
Man.....that's just too good.
Gotta tip your cap to Smith.
Smith with yet another clutch putt. Rory's in prime scoring position on 17 - gets another chance to knock one close with a wedge. Let's see!
OMG what a shot from Young! And maybe Rory finally makes a putt??
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 17, 2022, 12:24:00 PM
Man.....that's just too good.
Gotta tip your cap to Smith.
Smith is cold blooded. Rory needs one to drop.
Ughhh. 64 is impressive.
Rory needs an Eagle.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 17, 2022, 12:28:07 PM
OMG what a shot from Young! And maybe Rory finally makes a putt??
Rory two putts, I believe he has hit every green in regulation (17) and two putted every one for 34 putts. That's not a good thing for a professional golfer, never the less an elite like Rory. Probably two putt 18 for 36 putts
Cam Smith crazy back nine, we'll deserved, extremely deserved Major win.
Wins Players and The Open.
BTW. Cam Young gonna be a stud. Tied 3rd at PGA and has 6 top fives this year as rookie.
Sweet Jesus. Stunned he came up that short.
Smith earned it but Rory had plenty of chances.
I did say -20 on Thurs. :)
Quote from: nyg on July 17, 2022, 12:35:16 PM
Rory two putts, I believe he has hit every green in regulation (17) and two putted every one for 34 putts. That's not a good thing for a professional golfer, never the less an elite like Rory. Probably two putt 18 for 36 putts
Cam Smith crazy back nine, we'll deserved, extremely deserved Major win.
Wins Players and The Open.
BTW. Cam Young gonna be a stud. Tied 3rd at PGA and has 6 top fives this year as rookie.
Agree with every word of this. Rory simply wasn't good enough, and Cam Smith was sensational.
Quote from: nyg on July 17, 2022, 12:35:16 PM
Rory two putts, I believe he has hit every green in regulation (17) and two putted every one for 34 putts. That's not a good thing for a professional golfer, never the less an elite like Rory. Probably two putt 18 for 36 putts
Cam Smith crazy back nine, we'll deserved, extremely deserved Major win.
Wins Players and The Open.
BTW. Cam Young gonna be a stud. Tied 3rd at PGA and has 6 top fives this year as rookie.
Ya....I was extremely impressed by Young. Smith just got his putter back in gear and went scorched earth.
Cam Smith your Champion Golfer of The Year
Wow. I would have never, ever, predicted both guys in the final pairing would shoot 70 or more. This one is gonna hurt for Rory. 36 putts for him.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 17, 2022, 12:37:39 PM
Ya....I was extremely impressed by Young. Smith just got his putter back in gear and went scorched earth.
Have to remember, not only is Smith one of best putters (25 one putts and only one three putt this week) but he is also one of the best wedge players and it showed on back nine with those shots on drivable par 4's, some of which he laid up on all week. Rory just couldn't get wedges within 15 feet and missed everything.
Quote from: nyg on July 17, 2022, 12:43:35 PM
Have to remember, not only is Smith one of best putters (25 one putts and only one three putt this week) but he is also one of the best wedge players and it showed on back nine with those shots on drivable par 4's, some of which he laid up on all week. Rory just couldn't get wedges within 15 feet and missed everything.
I picked him to win the Masters. He's a tremendous player, no doubt.
Did he just throw down a beer?
Cam Smith won that but man, Rory shooting a 70 with a share of the lead just reminds you how awesome Jack and Tiger were
I assume Norman has begged Smith to join LIV.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 17, 2022, 12:44:53 PM
I picked him to win the Masters. He's a tremendous player, no doubt.
Did he just throw down a beer?
I think it was a Diet Coke.
I think Rory figured he just had to stay in front of Hovland and avoid coming back to the field. Unfortunately, Smith just went lights out. Smith has been knocking on the door, so good to see him win.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 17, 2022, 12:46:01 PM
Cam Smith won that but man, Rory shooting a 70 with a share of the lead just reminds you how awesome Jack and Tiger were
A 70 on that course on a day like today is more like a 74 too.
Quote from: cheebs09 on July 17, 2022, 12:48:11 PM
I think it was a Diet Coke.
I think Rory figured he just had to stay in front of Hovland and avoid coming back to the field. Unfortunately, Smith just went lights out. Smith has been knocking on the door, so good to see him win.
It's an interesting point. Maybe he should have been more aggressive?
That two putt on 17 was world class.
OK, Zinger just said Smith had 12 total putts on the back nine and six one putts. That is ridiculous. And yet he had 35 putts in third round.
Good golf drama, and onto the Fed Ex Cup race.
Quote from: nyg on July 17, 2022, 12:43:35 PM
Have to remember, not only is Smith one of best putters (25 one putts and only one three putt this week) but he is also one of the best wedge players and it showed on back nine with those shots on drivable par 4's, some of which he laid up on all week. Rory just couldn't get wedges within 15 feet and missed everything.
I agree with this analysis.
All those "match play" comments looking real good
Rory wasn't even the runner-up, as the other Cam eagled 18.
Quote from: jesmu84 on July 17, 2022, 02:14:29 PM
All those "match play" comments looking real good
In my defense I did predict -20 on Thurs. :)
I think Hovland having a total meltdown and Rory not shooting a decent round, in light of the conditions, was very surprising.
Smith is apparently rumored to go to LIV and got a little Koepkaesque when he was asked about it. I really hope he doesn't sell out.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 17, 2022, 06:01:00 PM
Smith is apparently rumored to go to LIV and got a little Koepkaesque when he was asked about it. I really hope he doesn't sell out.
Him, Leishman and Scott will be going and forming an Aussie squad. May not happen until after The President's Cup but they're gone.
Cantlay and Finau expected to go as well.
Cam is as good as gone.
The PGA Tour has done Australia dirty over the past decade, they should all leave. Aussies will be a fun team to watch, and I bet Australia gets a regular LIV event now too.
Quote from: Retire0 on July 17, 2022, 06:11:35 PM
Cam is as good as gone.
The PGA Tour has done Australia dirty over the past decade, they should all leave. Aussies will be a fun team to watch, and I bet Australia gets a regular LIV event now too.
Eh, Australian golf has done Australia dirty. Those guys have largely abandoned Australian golf.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 17, 2022, 06:01:00 PM
Smith is apparently rumored to go to LIV and got a little Koepkaesque when he was asked about it. I really hope he doesn't sell out.
Cam is young and has a great life right now. He has a very neat home on the intercoastal near the TPC Sawgrass, has already made very good money on tour and his earning outlook is promising .
LIV is for 40 plus year old's who can't get the job done on the course any more ( Sergio, Westwood, Poulter) or younger guys whose bodies are shot ( De Charcuterie and Koepka)
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 17, 2022, 06:08:36 PM
Him, Leishman and Scott will be going and forming an Aussie squad. May not happen until after The President's Cup but they're gone.
Cantlay and Finau expected to go as well.
Yikes. Sounds like this could be a s-show and really hurt golf. What's the counter move from the other tours?
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 17, 2022, 06:24:29 PM
Yikes. Sounds like this could be a s-show and really hurt golf. What's the counter move from the other tours?
They can't match the money. Professional men's golf is going to be a mess for quite sometime. I can see why people are tuning out
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 17, 2022, 06:33:04 PM
They can't match the money. Professional men's golf is going to be a mess for quite sometime. I can see why people are tuning out
Ya...no chance they can match the money. LiV golf though is not even really golf.
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 17, 2022, 06:21:06 PM
Cam is young and has a great life right now. He has a very neat home on the intercoastal near the TPC Sawgrass, has already made very good money on tour and his earning outlook is promising .
LIV is for 40 plus year old's who can't get the job done on the course any more ( Sergio, Westwood, Poulter) or younger guys whose bodies are shot ( De Charcuterie and Koepka)
Ha! Charcuterie may have done Bryson in. :)
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 17, 2022, 06:38:37 PM
Ya...no chance they can match the money. LiV golf though is not even really golf.
They don't care. The Saudi's found a sport willing to whore itself to them and without really much trouble. They also have a frontman who doesn't care about the sport but cares about bringing down the PGA Tour. All unintended consequences be damned. Players get guaranteed money and don't have to worry about missed cuts.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 17, 2022, 06:47:55 PM
They don't care. The Saudi's found a sport willing to whore itself to them and without really much trouble. They also have a frontman who doesn't care about the sport but cares about bringing down the PGA Tour. All unintended consequences be damned. Players get guaranteed money and don't have to worry about missed cuts.
I think it's conceivable the players will care. You would think they care about competition but I dunno.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 17, 2022, 06:57:55 PM
I think it's conceivable the players will care. You would think they care about competition but I dunno.
Eh, I don't. A lot of these guys are pampered f$&@? who don't think they're pampered enough.
First time I can remember where I didn't watch a second of the British Open. Normally I'd watch the entire last 2 days.
Didn't miss watching a bit.
Quote from: Jockey on July 17, 2022, 07:31:26 PM
First time I can remember where I didn't watch a second of the British Open. Normally I'd watch the entire last 2 days.
Didn't miss watching a bit.
Curious, why didn't you watch?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 17, 2022, 07:06:04 PM
Eh, I don't. A lot of these guys are pampered f$&@? who don't think they're pampered enough.
What a sad state in human affairs.
Quote from: pbiflyer on July 16, 2022, 05:59:37 PM
Me too. He's a local boy and we are friends with his neighbor. When he won in 2014, he threw a hell of a party. We got invited by the neighbors, but we're out of town. :-[
Hoping for a second chance!
Sooooo, anything interesting going on next weekend. My schedule freed up today! >:( ;D
Rory gracious and honest in defeat . Says a lot about him.
https://www.theopen.com/latest/rory-mcilroy-the-better-player-won
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 17, 2022, 06:21:06 PM
Cam is young and has a great life right now. He has a very neat home on the intercoastal near the TPC Sawgrass, has already made very good money on tour and his earning outlook is promising .
LIV is for 40 plus year old's who can't get the job done on the course any more ( Sergio, Westwood, Poulter) or younger guys whose bodies are shot ( De Charcuterie and Koepka)
There's a lot of guys behind the scenes that want a piece of this LIV money. Let's call it the Tour's Advisor Industrial Complex. And, these guys don't give a rat ass about a players legacy, the game, or golf's future.
Quote from: RJax55 on July 17, 2022, 08:50:13 PM
There's a lot of guys behind the scenes that want a piece of this LIV money. Let's call it the Tour's Advisor Industrial Complex. And, these guys don't give a rat ass about a players legacy, the game, or golf's future.
So what should be done? I'm afraid the greatness of the NCAA hoops tournament is also on tenuous footing.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 17, 2022, 09:03:31 PM
So what should be done? I'm afraid the greatness of the NCAA hoops tournament is also on tenuous footing.
A licensing arrangement ,whereby LIV pays an annual fee to PGA Tour for unlimited player releases to play on LIV tour, is one possible solution. Everyone wins in that scenario.
Eventually Saudi will
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 17, 2022, 06:16:41 PM
Eh, Australian golf has done Australia dirty. Those guys have largely abandoned Australian golf.
Jason Day, sure.
Cam and Adam Scott have both stated the Tour chasing China money hurt Aussie golf. Then the silly fall season and FedEx cup points created a big portion of this mess.
Cam kept going back home, until he realized he couldn't do it and take the PGA Tour seriously at the same time.
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 17, 2022, 09:28:23 PM
A licensing arrangement ,whereby LIV pays an annual fee to PGA Tour for unlimited player releases to play on LIV tour, is one possible solution. Everyone wins in that scenario.
Eventually Saudi will
Why would LIV do that when they can just pay the player direct?
Quote from: Jockey on July 17, 2022, 07:31:26 PM
First time I can remember where I didn't watch a second of the British Open. Normally I'd watch the entire last 2 days.
Didn't miss watching a bit.
I thoroughly enjoyed what I saw of the last 2 rounds.
But to each his own.
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 17, 2022, 09:28:23 PM
A licensing arrangement ,whereby LIV pays an annual fee to PGA Tour for unlimited player releases to play on LIV tour, is one possible solution. Everyone wins in that scenario.
Eventually Saudi will
It's been reported that Stenson will be stripped of his Ryder Cup Captaincy. So I guess what I'm wondering is if the majors can and will decide to ban LIV players? Or if we're talking a legal battle? If these guys that jump ship literally only care about getting paid, and have no interest in the history and legacy of the sport, then essentially professional golf no longer exists.
No one is going to watch LIV, it's a circus. And notwithstanding Jockey and his lack of interest, the Open was extremely compelling all weekend. If these guys really want only bags of cash, without real competition or any ties to golf history, then what exactly is the point of being a professional athlete? Was Cam Smith fake crying today?
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 17, 2022, 10:08:30 PM
It's been reported that Stenson will be stripped of his Ryder Cup Captaincy. So I guess what I'm wondering is if the majors can and will decide to ban LIV players? Or if we're talking a legal battle? If these guys that jump ship literally only care about getting paid, and have no interest in the history and legacy of the sport, then essentially professional golf no longer exists.
No one is going to watch LIV, it's a circus. And notwithstanding Jockey and his lack of interest, the Open was extremely compelling all weekend. If these guys really want only bags of cash, without real competition or any ties to golf history, then what exactly is the point of being a professional athlete? Was Cam Smith fake crying today?
No chance the R&A will ban Cam Smith after he cashes his $90m from LIV.
I think the point of being a professional athlete is making money.
Quote from: Retire0 on July 17, 2022, 10:17:08 PM
No chance the R&A will ban Cam Smith after he cashes his $90m from LIV.
I think the point of being a professional athlete is making money.
You don't think they care at all about competing?
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 17, 2022, 10:20:47 PM
You don't think they care at all about competing?
Cam is rumored to be getting $90m. Phil Mickelson has earned $95m over his 30 year career.
LIV is a competition. They'll have more golfers each event. The Chicago event will look entirely different than London after the mass exodus post-FedEx playoffs.
Go play with DJ, Brooks, Cantlay, Xander, Cam, Bryson, Reed, Ancer, Phil, Bubba, Mito, Finau, Wolff and get a ridiculous sum of money.
Or stick around the Tour with Rory, JT, Spieth and never see their kind of money.
Quote from: Retire0 on July 17, 2022, 10:29:26 PM
Cam is rumored to be getting $90m. Phil Mickelson has earned $95m over his 30 year career.
LIV is a competition. They'll have more golfers each event. The Chicago event will look entirely different than London after the mass exodus post-FedEx playoffs.
Go play with DJ, Brooks, Cantlay, Xander, Cam, Bryson, Reed, Ancer, Phil, Bubba, Mito, Finau, Wolff and get a ridiculous sum of money.
Or stick around the Tour with Rory, JT, Spieth and never see their kind of money.
I think in golf you're also competing for Majors and playing the course. 54 holes and shotgun starts is not a golf tournament. Even if the field is better.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 17, 2022, 10:39:03 PM
I think in golf you're also competing for Majors and playing the course. 54 holes and shotgun starts is not a golf tournament. Even if the field is better.
Cam is exempt into majors for the foreseeable future.
What does playing the course mean? LIV is playing in golf courses, it's not the Slime Cup.
Quote from: Retire0 on July 17, 2022, 10:41:41 PM
Cam is exempt into majors for the foreseeable future.
What does playing the course mean? LIV is playing in golf courses, it's not the Slime Cup.
The major tournaments can amend their exemptions.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 17, 2022, 10:43:02 PM
The major tournaments can amend their exemptions.
ANGC could. PGA could. USGA and the R&A really can't.
Do you think the majors give a crap about the well-being of the PGA Tour though?
Quote from: Retire0 on July 17, 2022, 10:45:57 PM
ANGC could. PGA could. USGA and the R&A really can't.
Do you think the majors give a crap about the well-being of the PGA Tour though?
They may care about the well being of the sport. Why was Stenson banned from the RC?
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 17, 2022, 10:47:26 PM
They may care about the well being of the sport. Why was Stenson banned from the RC?
How is LIV threatening the well-being of golf or the Majors?
Stenson is banned because the RC is half controlled by LIV's rivals.
Quote from: Retire0 on July 17, 2022, 10:54:01 PM
How is LIV threatening the well-being of golf or the Majors?
Stenson is banned because the RC is half controlled by LIV's rivals.
We'll see what happens. I think they're threatening everything.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 17, 2022, 10:54:57 PM
We'll see what happens. I think they're threatening everything.
I don't love it either, but it's definitely happening. The biggest losers will be the golf fans and Jay Monahan.
I think the Majors are going to end up as large benefactors being the only entities bringing the best players together.
Quote from: Retire0 on July 17, 2022, 09:30:33 PM
Jason Day, sure.
Cam and Adam Scott have both stated the Tour chasing China money hurt Aussie golf. Then the silly fall season and FedEx cup points created a big portion of this mess.
Cam kept going back home, until he realized he couldn't do it and take the PGA Tour seriously at the same time.
Defeats the idea of independent contractor, no?
Australian golf has always had an inferiority complex, especially about the tour going back to Peter Thomson. If Adam Scott wants to blame the tour for the state of Aussie golf, he's wrong.
Blaming the FedEx Cup and fall season is silly when the old tour rolled through the fall anyway into the Tour Championship. It's not like they have to play 4-5 fall events. The biggest Aussie events are after that. They're looking for a convenient excuse as to why they "can't play" more at home. They just want the biggest paychecks and why they'll take the Saudi money.
As for chasing China, the tour holding an event in China, one whole event, an event a bunch of players skipped anyway, is more excuse making.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 18, 2022, 05:58:51 AM
Defeats the idea of independent contractor, no?
LOL, right?
Rahm already changing tunes in regards to LIV, wants Sergio in the Ryder Cup.
Quote from: Retire0 on July 18, 2022, 08:44:15 AM
LOL, right?
Rahm already changing tunes in regards to LIV, wants Sergio in the Ryder Cup.
Rahm sees a lot of Ryder Cup losses in his future and might be using Garcia as a proxy to keep the young guys that bolt in the Ryder Cup fold. You lose the Hojgaard's and Hovland's, it's pretty bleak for the Europeans.
Of course, America could see a talent drain, too.
The Presidents Cup team for the USA will be interesting
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 18, 2022, 08:54:24 AM
The Presidents Cup team for the USA will be interesting
...and exciting.
Homa, Cam Young, Billy Ho nice to get new names in the fold.
Rahm is pretty clear he thinks LIV and the Tours should be able to live together in those comments.
"I understand the reasons why golfers who play LIV Golf do it and it's a shame they have to relinquish their status on the PGA Tour and the DP World Tour.''
"In the end, he does what is best for him. And if the others do not cooperate, it is what is. I hope they sit down and talk.''
Quote from: Retire0 on July 18, 2022, 09:06:57 AM
...and exciting.
Homa, Cam Young, Billy Ho nice to get new names in the fold.
Rahm is pretty clear he thinks LIV and the Tours should be able to live together in those comments.
"I understand the reasons why golfers who play LIV Golf do it and it's a shame they have to relinquish their status on the PGA Tour and the DP World Tour.''
"In the end, he does what is best for him. And if the others do not cooperate, it is what is. I hope they sit down and talk.''
Wonder what he decides to do. I know he's been pretty vocal on staying on the tour but his game has been mediocre for Jon Rahm this year. Wonder if he wavers knowing how fleeting the game can be
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 18, 2022, 09:13:18 AM
Wonder what he decides to do. I know he's been pretty vocal on staying on the tour but his game has been mediocre for Jon Rahm this year. Wonder if he wavers knowing how fleeting the game can be
That's just it. And the more guys that continue to jump to LIV, the more the moral objection to sportswashing is the only reason not to go. There will be a critical mass here where sponsors stop fleeing guys that jump to LIV, and once that happens, there is no financial incentive at all to stay on the tour.
Oh well. It was fun while it lasted.
As a casual golf fan, I might watch a little of the President's Cup (which actually is in Charlotte this year, but I'm not going). Otherwise, see y'all the second weekend of April!
If Feherty goes to LIV, I may have to figure out a new voice in my head to narrate my rounds.
How exactly are people going to qualify for the majors if they go to LIV? Asian Tour points? I assume there are young players that have no certainty that they will get a PGA tour card. I could see LIV poaching these players pretty easily with up front money
I think the sport/game of golf will have a very rough 3-5 yrs if these rumors come to pass. LIV will not get a TV contract. There seem to be a lot of asshats involved in this whole thing beyond the obvious asshats. That's my perception.
If enough big names go, LIV will get a TV contract.
Quote from: User Name #251 on July 18, 2022, 02:14:05 PM
If enough big names go, LIV will get a TV contract.
I would find a way to blackball every single LIV member from participating in the Majors and then see what happens. Just sayin.. I believe it can be done.
Quote from: User Name #251 on July 18, 2022, 02:14:05 PM
If enough big names go, LIV will get a TV contract.
I also think the shotgun starts will disappear too. Maybe still only be 54 holes, but otherwise I think it will be no gimmick cause it wont be needed.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 18, 2022, 02:21:43 PM
I would find a way to blackball every single LIV member from participating in the Majors and then see what happens. Just sayin.. I believe it can be done.
The Masters, US Open and British Open have no reason to blackball LIV golfers. Furthermore doing this may be in violation of American anti-trust law.
https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/us-probing-pga-tour-it-fights-off-rival-liv-golf-2022-07-11/
Look, we know how unsavory LIV is for a multitude of reasons. But it is doing businesses legally in the United States. If the PGA is indeed a superior product for whatever reason, the eyeballs and money will follow.
This is really no different than the USFL giving Herschel Walker a big contract back in the day. (And the good news is that the guys behind LIV are way less unsavory than the guy who gave Walker that contract.)
Quote from: JWags85 on July 18, 2022, 02:26:45 PM
I also think the shotgun starts will disappear too. Maybe still only be 54 holes, but otherwise I think it will be no gimmick cause it wont be needed.
I actually kinda like the shotgun start concept. It makes it a shorter TV product with the potential to create drama.
The team thing is strange though.
Quote from: JWags85 on July 18, 2022, 02:26:45 PM
I also think the shotgun starts will disappear too. Maybe still only be 54 holes, but otherwise I think it will be no gimmick cause it wont be needed.
I do wonder if there will be some dog catches car type of scenario if things keep progressing this way. I'll be honest, I didn't see LIV getting this much traction. If they do get more players, I'll be interested to see if they are able to run the tour in a way that keeps players happy. The big paychecks are a nice start though.
Maybe this is over dramatic, but if some of the international guys switch over, I don't see the value proposition of the PGA other than we aren't the Saudi's. I don't know if the fields would be any higher quality with many more defections.
If LIV has a reasonable way to qualify for the majors, it's going to be very interesting.
Quote from: User Name #251 on July 18, 2022, 02:38:52 PM
I actually kinda like the shotgun start concept. It makes it a shorter TV product with the potential to create drama.
The team thing is strange though.
The shotgun starts are idiotic.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 18, 2022, 03:05:39 PM
The shotgun starts are idiotic.
LOL. Substantive as always...
Quote from: User Name #251 on July 18, 2022, 03:07:30 PM
LOL. Substantive as always...
Wildly disagree on the shotgun start. If golf wasn't a TV product, I'd have no problem with it. No one wants to see Cam finishing on 11 yesterday with Rory finishing on 10
Muggs
I am with you 100% on the shotgun being foolish. I really think the beauty of traditional 72-hole golf is playing the course beginning at one. There are many great courses that feature outstanding finishing hole(s) and knowing they are the finishing holes makes it exciting IMO. I think 17 and 18 at SA is a perfect example of this and knowing that the leaders could stumble on 17 or go for broke on 18 made it exciting to the end. The shotgun format is definitely geared for fringe golf fans, and I believe they will go to traditional format because of the number of players signing up.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 18, 2022, 03:15:15 PM
Wildly disagree on the shotgun start. If golf wasn't a TV product, I'd have no problem with it. No one wants to see Cam finishing on 11 yesterday with Rory finishing on 10
Exactly. And not to mention the entire tournament could play differently if you don't play the holes in sequence. Fluffy has no idea what he's talking about Uncle R.
Quote from: Goose on July 18, 2022, 03:19:36 PM
Muggs
I am with you 100% on the shotgun being foolish. I really think the beauty of traditional 72-hole golf is playing the course beginning at one. There are many great courses that feature outstanding finishing hole(s) and knowing they are the finishing holes makes it exciting IMO. I think 17 and 18 at SA is a perfect example of this and knowing that the leaders could stumble on 17 or go for broke on 18 made it exciting to the end. The shotgun format is definitely geared for fringe golf fans, and I believe they will go to traditional format because of the number of players signing up.
Yes Goose. Does Fluffy really believe that two people vying to win a tournament want to finish on 6 and 13 as opposed to 18? There's a reason courses have.a layout and the 18th is generally a signature hole. Oh.. and what happens say if there's a playoff? Does one player play 6 while the other plays 14? This is moronic Goose.
For all we know Fluffy wants overhand serves in ping pong because this is the new age. Smh.
Muggs
I really felt everything great about a traditional 72-hole tournament was evident this weekend. I realize the days/week are grueling both physically and emotionally for the guys in the hunt, but I could not imagine a cooler feeling in the world playing in the final match at SA or any major for that matter.
LIV is a gimmick, but a high paying gimmick and we will see where it ends up. I still believe we will see a defector from LIV before the end of the year. There are going to be too many players and not enough spots to play everyone. IMO, I think LIV should stop with 40-50 also rans and chase young guys. To be honest, watching Lee Westwood, Stenson and Bubba battle it out is not that appealing to me. That said, I am sure that would get the shotgun backers attention.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 18, 2022, 03:27:26 PM
For all we know Fluffy wants overhand serves in ping pong because this is the new age. Smh.
I really don't care at all about ping pong.
And honestly I don't watch golf much so it's no biggie to me. I can just see the allure from a TV perspective. I also don't buy into golf's over-romanticism like others apparently do.
Rory had a first in majors history on Sunday....
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/british-open-2022-rory-mcilroy-pulled-off-first-golf-history-stats?itm_source=parsely-api
Quote from: Goose on July 18, 2022, 03:31:12 PM
Muggs
I really felt everything great about a traditional 72-hole tournament was evident this weekend. I realize the days/week are grueling both physically and emotionally for the guys in the hunt, but I could not imagine a cooler feeling in the world playing in the final match at SA or any major for that matter.
LIV is a gimmick, but a high paying gimmick and we will see where it ends up. I still believe we will see a defector from LIV before the end of the year. There are going to be too many players and not enough spots to play everyone. IMO, I think LIV should stop with 40-50 also rans and chase young guys. To be honest, watching Lee Westwood, Stenson and Bubba battle it out is not that appealing to me. That said, I am sure that would get the shotgun backers attention.
But Fluffy's apparently intrigued Goose by the "shotgun starts". Maybe he wants Wimbledon to move from a grass court to a high school gym?
Quote from: User Name #251 on July 18, 2022, 02:30:34 PM
The Masters, US Open and British Open have no reason to blackball LIV golfers. Furthermore doing this may be in violation of American anti-trust law.
https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sports/us-probing-pga-tour-it-fights-off-rival-liv-golf-2022-07-11/
Look, we know how unsavory LIV is for a multitude of reasons. But it is doing businesses legally in the United States. If the PGA is indeed a superior product for whatever reason, the eyeballs and money will follow.
This is really no different than the USFL giving Herschel Walker a big contract back in the day. (And the good news is that the guys behind LIV are way less unsavory than the guy who gave Walker that contract.)
Masters is an invitational. They have an out clause, they can do what they want.
Muggs and Goose can continue to clutch pearls, but LIV is happening. They will have the better field in due time. If the OWGR doesn't recognize it, then they are a useless organization and no longer viable.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 18, 2022, 04:07:36 PM
But Fluffy's apparently intrigued Goose by the "shotgun starts". Maybe he wants Wimbledon to move from a grass court to a high school gym?
Again, when you want to engage in something other than absurdities and chicken little comments, let me know. Otherwise don't expect me to take you seriously.
Quote from: User Name #251 on July 18, 2022, 03:39:46 PM
I really don't care at all about ping pong.
And honestly I don't watch golf much so it's no biggie to me. I can just see the allure from a TV perspective. I also don't buy into golf's over-romanticism like others apparently do.
We're aware of this Fluffy. You're riveted as much by the Clown mini golf hole in Happy Gilmore as you are by Amen Corner.
Quote from: User Name #251 on July 18, 2022, 04:10:41 PM
Again, when you want to engage in something other than absurdities and chicken little comments, let me know. Otherwise don't expect me to take you seriously.
You're defensive because you know damn well your comments are absurd.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 18, 2022, 04:13:45 PM
You're defensive because you know damn well your comments are absurd.
Are you NateDogg?
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 18, 2022, 04:13:45 PM
You're defensive because you know damn well your comments are absurd.
You are really touchy. Next time I'll send out a trigger warning.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 18, 2022, 04:13:45 PM
You're defensive because you know damn well your comments are absurd.
Muggs my man, you need to chill. Open a nice Shiraz in honor Cam Smith, and to nod to the Open, pair it with a nice breast of Atlantic Puffin.
I think the idea a shotgun would have guys finishing on separate ends of the course is pretty ridiculous. You could have the top 4 guys tee off on 1 and the next 4 start on 2.
I don't think it's ideal from a competitive standpoint, but could see why TV would go for it.
If I were the PGA would have less guys make the cut, cut down another 12 for Sunday and give guaranteed money to guys who miss the cut. Having 36 guys on Sunday is more than enough for TV and you would not have guys going thru the motions. In addition, I think all governing bodies, aside from LIV, should make immediate changes to equipment and the ball. The LIV guys would struggle mightily in the majors under those conditions.
Quote from: Goose on July 18, 2022, 04:57:52 PM
If I were the PGA would have less guys make the cut, cut down another 12 for Sunday and give guaranteed money to guys who miss the cut. Having 36 guys on Sunday is more than enough for TV and you would not have guys going thru the motions. In addition, I think all governing bodies, aside from LIV, should make immediate changes to equipment and the ball. The LIV guys would struggle mightily in the majors under those conditions.
Goose
Love your suggestions.
Quote from: Goose on July 18, 2022, 04:57:52 PM
If I were the PGA would have less guys make the cut, cut down another 12 for Sunday and give guaranteed money to guys who miss the cut. Having 36 guys on Sunday is more than enough for TV and you would not have guys going thru the motions. In addition, I think all governing bodies, aside from LIV, should make immediate changes to equipment and the ball. The LIV guys would struggle mightily in the majors under those conditions.
I think these make a ton of sense. Probably better than a shotgun start. 🤪🤪🤪
Quote from: Goose on July 18, 2022, 04:57:52 PM
If I were the PGA would have less guys make the cut, cut down another 12 for Sunday and give guaranteed money to guys who miss the cut. Having 36 guys on Sunday is more than enough for TV and you would not have guys going thru the motions. In addition, I think all governing bodies, aside from LIV, should make immediate changes to equipment and the ball. The LIV guys would struggle mightily in the majors under those conditions.
I like it. However, if there's one thing that could turn the public back to the side of FIGJAM, it's him battling the USGA and R & A.
Augusta, on the other hand, I see a day in the near future where they have a tournament ball
Shotgun start, IMO, would make for more players under more pressure/tension. Imagine 4-5-6 guys on the lead or 1/2 strokes away. Everyone is playing #18 at the same time. No one gets a pass knowing they can make double bogey (or whatever) and still retain the lead.
Retire
You heard here first. I have little faith in USGA or PGA, but I think the R&A plays for keeps. I am hoping the R&A takes the LIV guys out to the woodshed. I love the history of golf and we saw a lot this year. From the history at Brookline to St. Andrews it was a great year for folks that love the game. Every time I hear the Hogan trip to The Open Championship it reminds me of why I love golf.
Truth be told, I love golf a helluva of lot more than MU basketball and that is saying a lot. I watched the Arnie video from his last visit to St. Andrews and it makes me tear up every time.
Quote from: cheebs09 on July 18, 2022, 04:27:16 PM
I think the idea a shotgun would have guys finishing on separate ends of the course is pretty ridiculous. You could have the top 4 guys tee off on 1 and the next 4 start on 2.
I don't think it's ideal from a competitive standpoint, but could see why TV would go for it.
I watched the LIV Oregon. The way the shot gun work is similar to how you describe. After the first day they reordered with the leaders going off 1 the next group off 2 etc.
Quote from: jesmu84 on July 18, 2022, 05:20:54 PM
Shotgun start, IMO, would make for more players under more pressure/tension. Imagine 4-5-6 guys on the lead or 1/2 strokes away. Everyone is playing #18 at the same time. No one gets a pass knowing they can make double bogey (or whatever) and still retain the lead.
This aspect of things came into play on the team competition, as there were several groups in the running for the 3 time prizes. They were all playing pretty hard to make that bonus. A guy made a put on the 18th hole to win something for his team.
jesmu
That is how the game is played today. Not sure how a shotgun format creates more excitement. The top guys were in the final two groups yesterday. The shotgun format is geared to entice younger fans and is as stupid of an idea as I have heard.
Quote from: Goose on July 18, 2022, 05:34:38 PM
jesmu
That is how the game is played today. Not sure how a shotgun format creates more excitement. The top guys were in the final two groups yesterday. The shotgun format is geared to entice younger fans and is as stupid of an idea as I have heard.
It's peculiar these sports all try and entice the younger fan while always ignoring what made the sports popular in the first place.
I understand why, but sometimes, you don't have to reinvent the whee completely.
Quote from: User Name #251 on July 18, 2022, 04:19:44 PM
You are really touchy. Next time I'll send out a trigger warning.
I got carried away. My apologies.
Quote from: Goose on July 18, 2022, 05:34:38 PM
jesmu
That is how the game is played today. Not sure how a shotgun format creates more excitement. The top guys were in the final two groups yesterday. The shotgun format is geared to entice younger fans and is as stupid of an idea as I have heard.
Huh?
Usually, the final pairing knows exactly what they need to do on the final hole of a tournament while the rest of the field waits and watches. Because they are the only golfers still playing. Everyone else has finished
With a shotgun, everyone is playing their final hole at the exact same time.
jesmu
How would yesterday's finish been altered with the final four guys playing 18 together? The excitement is when someone forces someone's hand and makes them go for broke. There was an eagle out there and 18 and Rory needed to get one and failed. Having a guy post a number is part of the gamesmanship of tournament golf. I simply do not see how anyone that is a fan of golf would prefer a shotgun format.
Quote from: Goose on July 18, 2022, 06:54:17 PM
jesmu
How would yesterday's finish been altered with the final four guys playing 18 together? The excitement is when someone forces someone's hand and makes them go for broke. There was an eagle out there and 18 and Rory needed to get one and failed. Having a guy post a number is part of the gamesmanship of tournament golf. I simply do not see how anyone that is a fan of golf would prefer a shotgun format.
I understand what you are saying. I understand the point you are making.
Do you understand the scenario I was pointing out?
You are correct that it isn't traditional. But it's a similar idea to having the last day of the NFL or MLB or premier league, etc all playing at the same time. It will create drama/tension in a different way. And potentially more as more players would be involved.
I didn't say it was better. That's in the eye of the beholder
Quote from: Goose on July 18, 2022, 04:57:52 PM
If I were the PGA would have less guys make the cut, cut down another 12 for Sunday and give guaranteed money to guys who miss the cut. Having 36 guys on Sunday is more than enough for TV and you would not have guys going thru the motions. In addition, I think all governing bodies, aside from LIV, should make immediate changes to equipment and the ball. The LIV guys would struggle mightily in the majors under those conditions.
Excellent points Goose.
Is there a reason the Open hasn't been at Turnberry since '09? Trump connection?
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 18, 2022, 07:40:36 PM
Is there a reason the Open hasn't been at Turnberry since '09? Trump connection?
Yup. Wait until he gets involved with the next LIV event. The Sh!t storm hasn't truly begun yet.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 18, 2022, 07:44:07 PM
Yup. Wait until he gets involved with the next LIV event. The Sh!t storm hasn't truly begun yet.
I didn't realize that. Brutal.
Quote from: Goose on July 18, 2022, 04:57:52 PM
If I were the PGA would have less guys make the cut, cut down another 12 for Sunday and give guaranteed money to guys who miss the cut. Having 36 guys on Sunday is more than enough for TV and you would not have guys going thru the motions. In addition, I think all governing bodies, aside from LIV, should make immediate changes to equipment and the ball. The LIV guys would struggle mightily in the majors under those conditions.
good stuff goose-not to mention, there is so much golf going on that we don't see. with fewer guys on saturday and sunday, it would condense the event down to better golf and more live views. maybe the network could do a split screen or similar to the red zone, go to the "red zone" of golf shots. they've got to do something because LIV just gained like 6 more pretty big names
drip...drip...drip...
cameron smith, henrik stenson, tommy fleetwood, hedeki matsuyama, marc leishman, bubba watson
gowne
who's next?
Quote from: rocket ALM surgeon on July 18, 2022, 09:15:35 PM
cameron smith, henrik stenson, tommy fleetwood, hedeki matsuyama, marc leishman, bubba watson
gowne
who's next?
Terrible.
Quote from: rocket ALM surgeon on July 18, 2022, 09:15:35 PM
cameron smith, henrik stenson, tommy fleetwood, hedeki matsuyama, marc leishman, bubba watson
gowne
who's next?
David Feherty
https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/sports/2022/07/18/liv-golf-cameron-smith-rickie-fowler-caught-swirling-speculation/10087168002/
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 19, 2022, 07:21:17 AM
https://www.palmbeachpost.com/story/sports/2022/07/18/liv-golf-cameron-smith-rickie-fowler-caught-swirling-speculation/10087168002/
The Ryder Cup just means more to the Europeans
Excellent interview/article with Ernie Els. He has a very reasonable approach to the whole LIV/PGA tour /DP World Tour imbroglio and advice to Cam Smith
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/world-according-to-ernie-els-talks-liv-golf-presidents-cup-cam-smith?utm_medium=email&utm_source=071922&utm_campaign=hitlist&utm_content=DM29784&uuid=85f898e378d547f4aa114b5572e1ddc5
Trump is apparently "warning" PGA players to join LIV or eise. #Clown
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 19, 2022, 04:23:08 PM
Trump is apparently "warning" PGA players to join LIV or eise. #Clown
I expect the "keep politics out of sports" crowd will be aghast
Quote from: Herman Cain on July 19, 2022, 03:52:48 PM
Excellent interview/article with Ernie Els. He has a very reasonable approach to the whole LIV/PGA tour /DP World Tour imbroglio and advice to Cam Smith
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/world-according-to-ernie-els-talks-liv-golf-presidents-cup-cam-smith?utm_medium=email&utm_source=071922&utm_campaign=hitlist&utm_content=DM29784&uuid=85f898e378d547f4aa114b5572e1ddc5
Els is not realistic.
How much money have the Saudis already committed to LIV? With the guarantee deals they have given to a number of players, it has to be well over a billion dollars. And, it continues to grow. They are not shelling out that kind of cash in order to cut some deal with The Tour to run silly season events in the fall.
Wow. I didn't realize Mardy Fish was that awesome at golf. He's in the 3m tournament. And he plays lefty but was a right-handed tennis player? Cool. I believe Nadal golf's right-handed.
Quote from: RJax55 on July 19, 2022, 04:30:49 PM
Els is not realistic.
How much money have the Saudis already committed to LIV? With the guarantee deals they have given to a number of players, it has to be well over a billion dollars. And, it continues to grow. They are not shelling out that kind of cash in order to cut some deal with The Tour to run silly season events in the fall.
When one of the first statements he says is that LIV isn't "real golf," I'm sure he'll be taken seriously.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 19, 2022, 04:23:08 PM
Trump is apparently "warning" PGA players to join LIV or eise. #Clown
Maybe he wants to eventually sue the PGA Tour and win $3 in damages, as he did in causing the USFL's immediate demise.
I always thought LIV should be played in the off-season. Pay these guys a ton of money for exhibitions and it would've been hard for PGA to argue against it. Problem is Norman is hell bent on destroying the PGA. I was a big fan of Norman at one point but he is a bad apple. Between the Saturday night before Masters blowup and his night on board the boat with Clinton I am not sure which is worse. He is a bad guy.
Quote from: Goose on July 19, 2022, 05:26:34 PM
I always thought LIV should be played in the off-season. Pay these guys a ton of money for exhibitions and it would've been hard for PGA to argue against it. Problem is Norman is hell bent on destroying the PGA. I was a big fan of Norman at one point but he is a bad apple. Between the Saturday night before Masters blowup and his night on board the boat with Clinton I am not sure which is worse. He is a bad guy.
He's why these events are 54 holes. He couldn't finish 72
Norman could finish the deal, just not on the course in the big ones. Far more after hour success in his career.
Quote from: Goose on July 19, 2022, 05:32:14 PM
Norman could finish the deal, just not on the course in the big ones. Far more after hour success in his career.
Ask Chris Evert
Seriously though, he thinks his legacy is Bobby Jones, Ben Hogan and Jack Nicklaus-like. He's not even Faldo
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 19, 2022, 05:34:37 PM
He's not even Faldo
That's for sure, and it's not even particularly close. Of course, he had a big hand in helping Faldo's legacy.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 19, 2022, 05:34:37 PM
Ask Chris Evert
Seriously though, he thinks his legacy is Bobby Jones, Ben Hogan and Jack Nicklaus-like. He's not even Faldo
Quote from: MU82 on July 19, 2022, 05:56:29 PM
That's for sure, and it's not even particularly close. Of course, he had a big hand in helping Faldo's legacy.
Its such a weird legacy when you think of it. He won 20 times on the PGA tour and probably would have won 6-8 more if he spent all his time more time in the US like Aussies now instead of the old Aussie tour. He was #1 for nearly 4 times as long as Faldo. He won more PGA tournies than Faldo. He has almost 10 more major top 10s than Faldo, 6 more top 5s...
But Faldo was a finisher and has 6 majors while Norman has so many of those top 5s cause he imploded late. Nobody is trading Faldo's career for Norman's, even though the latter was consistently "better" for longer overall. Maybe he would be in the Hogan/Bobby Jones convo if he wasn't a mush brain on Sundays....and not a completely douche
Quote from: JWags85 on July 19, 2022, 06:46:12 PM
Its such a weird legacy when you think of it. He won 20 times on the PGA tour and probably would have won 6-8 more if he spent all his time more time in the US like Aussies now instead of the old Aussie tour. He was #1 for nearly 4 times as long as Faldo. He won more PGA tournies than Faldo. He has almost 10 more major top 10s than Faldo, 6 more top 5s...
But Faldo was a finisher and has 6 majors while Norman has so many of those top 5s cause he imploded late. Nobody is trading Faldo's career for Norman's, even though the latter was consistently "better" for longer overall. Maybe he would be in the Hogan/Bobby Jones convo if he wasn't a mush brain on Sundays....and not a completely douche
Yep, he wrote his own "legacy" ... and wrote a big chunk of Faldo's too!
He almost came across as a sympathetic figure in the recent documentary that mostly centered on his Masters collapse. I was impressed that he was willing to be so open about being his starring role in one of the most epic failures in the history of professional sports. But I also know he's a Class A jerk, so there's that.
Quote from: MU82 on July 19, 2022, 06:56:10 PM
Yep, he wrote his own "legacy" ... and wrote a big chunk of Faldo's too!
He almost came across as a sympathetic figure in the recent documentary that mostly centered on his Masters collapse. I was impressed that he was willing to be so open about being his starring role in one of the most epic failures in the history of professional sports. But I also know he's a Class A jerk, so there's that.
That '96 Masters collapse was insane and beyond human comprehension. In an individual sport I'm not sure anything is comparable. Obviously Van de Velde on 18 at the British was crazy but wasn't Norman #1 in the world? Maybe there is something in the Olympics but I can't think of anything off the top of my head.
Lexi Thompson losing a 5 shot lead on the back nine of a US Open ranks up there.
Quote from: tower912 on July 19, 2022, 08:39:02 PM
Lexi Thompson losing a 5 shot lead on the back nine of a US Open ranks up there.
Good point Tower. Especially whiffing the entire hole on like a 3 foot putt.
The Buster Douglas/Tyson upset comes to mind but I'm not sure that would be described as a choke job.
The commentary during the Van de Velde meltdown was absolutely brilliant.
Quote from: MuggsyB on July 19, 2022, 08:14:15 PM
That '96 Masters collapse was insane and beyond human comprehension. In an individual sport I'm not sure anything is comparable. Obviously Van de Velde on 18 at the British was crazy but wasn't Norman #1 in the world? Maybe there is something in the Olympics but I can't think of anything off the top of my head.
I think Norman had recently lost #1 by that point. But he was still POY the year before. Van de Velde was more historic and catestrophic in the short period, but he was a nobody ranked outside the top 150 who had played a really good 3 days of golf. Not a superstar who won 2 majors and was dominating the field all week like Norman in 96.
I think I'll hit Portrush for the '25 Open.