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Figured we could use a thread to track players from around the conference who are deciding to transfer in/out, use/not use their COVID year, and declare for the draft.

https://painttouches.com/2022/04/19/big-east-roster-tracker/

A few notes to add...

• Shaheen Holloway expected to be announced by Seton Hall no later than today.
  
• Aaron Wheeler is leaving St. John's to go pro.
  
• Tyrese Martin is leaving UConn to go pro.
  
• RJ Cole has signed with an agent.

Quote from: brewcity77 on March 30, 2022, 09:32:44 AM
A few notes to add...

• Shaheen Holloway expected to be announced by Seton Hall no later than today.
  
• Aaron Wheeler is leaving St. John's to go pro.
  
• Tyrese Samuel is leaving UConn to go pro.
  
• RJ Cole has signed with an agent.

Could they announce it earlier than today?

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 30, 2022, 09:26:49 AM
Figured we could use a thread to track players from around the conference who are deciding to transfer in/out, use/not use their COVID year, and declare for the draft. Mostly quiet so far with the biggest news being Cole declaring for the NBA.

What I've got so far:

Butler:
Bryce Golden transferring

Creighton:
No updates

DePaul:
Courvouisier McCauley transferring
Javon Freeman-Liberty hasn't declared yet but has publicly talked about leaning towards going pro

Georgetown:
Wayne Bristol Jr transferring in from Howard (2020 MEAC ROY)

Marquette:
Greg Elliott hasn't officially announced but has talked publicly about this being his last season

Providence:
Ed Croswell confirmed he is coming back on his COVID year

Seton Hall:
Kevin Willard to Maryland, no word on new coach yet
Jared Rhoden hasn't declared yet but said he's "90% certain" he's going pro

St. John's:
Jalen Rosemond transferring (walk on)
Julian Champagnie hasn't declared yet but said before the season started that this was his last year in college

UConn:
RJ Cole has declared for the NCAA Draft
Rashool Diggins transferring (former top 75 recruit but didn't get off the bench this season)

Villanova:
No Updates

Xavier:
Sean Miller hired as coach
Hercy Miller transferring from Tennessee State (walk on)

Any chance you'd do graduating players?  Or would that get too cluttered?

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 30, 2022, 09:26:49 AM
Figured we could use a thread to track players from around the conference who are deciding to transfer in/out, use/not use their COVID year, and declare for the draft. Mostly quiet so far with the biggest news being Cole declaring for the NBA.

What I've got so far:

Butler:
Bryce Golden transferring

Creighton:
No updates

DePaul:
Courvouisier McCauley transferring
Javon Freeman-Liberty hasn't declared yet but has publicly talked about leaning towards going pro

Georgetown:
Wayne Bristol Jr transferring in from Howard (2020 MEAC ROY)

Marquette:
Greg Elliott hasn't officially announced but has talked publicly about this being his last season

Providence:
Ed Croswell confirmed he is coming back on his COVID year

Seton Hall:
Kevin Willard to Maryland, no word on new coach yet
Jared Rhoden hasn't declared yet but said he's "90% certain" he's going pro

St. John's:
Jalen Rosemond transferring (walk on)
Julian Champagnie hasn't declared yet but said before the season started that this was his last year in college

UConn:
RJ Cole has declared for the NCAA Draft
Rashool Diggins transferring (former top 75 recruit but didn't get off the bench this season)

Villanova:
No Updates

Xavier:
Sean Miller hired as coach
Hercy Miller transferring from Tennessee State (walk on)

This list will be quite the undertaking to maintain. Good luck and thanks in advance. And, what pick does Marquette have in the NCAA draft? Wonder if Cole will still be available.

Quote from: wadesworld on March 30, 2022, 09:37:08 AMCould they announce it earlier than today?

It's been reported since Sunday that it will come no later than today.

Great recap. Small nit to pick: Samuel is from Seton Hall

Quote from: Boone on March 30, 2022, 09:53:28 AM
Great recap. Small nit to pick: Samuel is from Seton Hall

Edited...it was Tyrese Martin from UConn that declared.

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 30, 2022, 09:26:49 AM
Figured we could use a thread to track players from around the conference who are deciding to transfer in/out, use/not use their COVID year, and declare for the draft. Mostly quiet so far with the biggest news being Cole declaring for the NBA.

What I've got so far:

Butler:
Bryce Golden transferring

Creighton:
No updates

DePaul:
Courvouisier McCauley transferring
Javon Freeman-Liberty hasn't declared yet but has publicly talked about leaning towards going pro

Georgetown:
Wayne Bristol Jr transferring in from Howard (2020 MEAC ROY)

Marquette:
Greg Elliott hasn't officially announced but has talked publicly about this being his last season

Providence:
Ed Croswell confirmed he is coming back on his COVID year

Seton Hall:
Kevin Willard to Maryland, no word on new coach yet
Jared Rhoden hasn't declared yet but said he's "90% certain" he's going pro

St. John's:
Jalen Rosemond transferring (walk on)
Julian Champagnie hasn't declared yet but said before the season started that this was his last year in college

UConn:
RJ Cole has declared for the NCAA Draft
Rashool Diggins transferring (former top 75 recruit but didn't get off the bench this season)

Villanova:
No Updates

Xavier:
Sean Miller hired as coach
Hercy Miller transferring from Tennessee State (walk on)

I missed that Kevin Willard news.  Interesting.

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 30, 2022, 09:26:49 AM
Figured we could use a thread to track players from around the conference who are deciding to transfer in/out, use/not use their COVID year, and declare for the draft. Mostly quiet so far with the biggest news being Cole declaring for the NBA.

What I've got so far:

Butler:
Bryce Golden transferring

Creighton:
No updates

DePaul:
Courvouisier McCauley transferring
Javon Freeman-Liberty hasn't declared yet but has publicly talked about leaning towards going pro

Georgetown:
Wayne Bristol Jr transferring in from Howard (2020 MEAC ROY)

Marquette:
Greg Elliott hasn't officially announced but has talked publicly about this being his last season

Providence:
Ed Croswell confirmed he is coming back on his COVID year

Seton Hall:
Kevin Willard to Maryland, no word on new coach yet
Jared Rhoden hasn't declared yet but said he's "90% certain" he's going pro

St. John's:
Jalen Rosemond transferring (walk on)
Julian Champagnie hasn't declared yet but said before the season started that this was his last year in college

UConn:
RJ Cole has declared for the NCAA Draft
Rashool Diggins transferring (former top 75 recruit but didn't get off the bench this season)

Villanova:
No Updates

Xavier:
Sean Miller hired as coach
Hercy Miller transferring from Tennessee State (walk on)

Is that a new term for the transfer portal?

Jalen Gaffney of UConn is transferring.

https://twitter.com/gavinkeefe/status/1509217212548145154?s=21&t=J378Ycf8MudZArq5w09RMw

Quote from: brewcity77 on March 30, 2022, 12:32:13 PM
Jalen Gaffney of UConn is transferring.

https://twitter.com/gavinkeefe/status/1509217212548145154?s=21&t=J378Ycf8MudZArq5w09RMw

Former Wojo target if I remember correctly

For those of us that are super lazy.

Who is all leaving the BE due to eligibility.

Tyler Beard, Timothy Ighoefe, and Jalin Billingsley from Georgetown have all entered the transfer portal.

Manny Bates to Georgetown.

Reported by fake account.

Quote from: brewcity77 on March 30, 2022, 03:32:06 PM
Manny Bates to Georgetown.

Reported by fake account.

Not true as of now.

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 30, 2022, 03:40:06 PM
Not true as of now.

Which is why I struck it and edited the post.  ::) ::) ::)

Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 30, 2022, 02:14:34 PM
For those of us that are super lazy.

Who is all leaving the BE due to eligibility.

Leaving out seniors with an added year (like Greg Elliott)

Butler:
Aaron Thompson
Ty Groce
Bryce Nze
Jair Bolden
Bo Hodges
Christian David (walkon?)

UConn:
Tyler Polley
Isiah Whaley

Creighton:
Hawkins
O'Connell
Feazell

DePaul
Brandon Johnson
Medlock

Georgetown
Carey?
Rice

Marquette
Morsell
Kuath

Providence
Watson
Durham
Horchler
Minaya
A Fonts (walkon?)

St. Johns
Tarkq Coburn
Stef Smith
I think Wheeler has another year of eligiblity

Seton Hall
Cale
Aiken
I think Obiago, Harris, and Yetna have another year

Villanova
Gillespie
Samuels

Xavier
Scruggs
Nate Johnson

Quote from: brewcity77 on March 30, 2022, 03:41:02 PM
Which is why I struck it and edited the post.  ::) ::) ::)

Caught it after replying.

Not Big East, but future opponent related. Blake Wesley of Notre Dame declared for the Draft. Johnny Davis from Wisconsin will announce his future tomorrow on NBA Today. Pretty sure you don't go on NBA Today to say you're staying in college.

Quote from: brewcity77 on March 30, 2022, 03:55:23 PM
Not Big East, but future opponent related. Blake Wesley of Notre Dame declared for the Draft. Johnny Davis from Wisconsin will announce his future tomorrow on NBA Today. Pretty sure you don't go on NBA Today to say you're staying in college.

That would be hilarious if he did.  Anytime ESPN is duped I'm happy.

Quote from: brewcity77 on March 30, 2022, 09:32:44 AM
A few notes to add...

• Shaheen Holloway expected to be announced by Seton Hall no later than today.
  
• Aaron Wheeler is leaving St. John's to go pro.
  
• Tyrese Martin is leaving UConn to go pro.
  
• RJ Cole has signed with an agent.

https://twitter.com/goodmanhoops/status/1509297382239969291?s=21&t=Swkx4QLNBl8PUoe_aZHGRA

Holloway official at Seton Hall.

Thanks for all the updates and suggestions everyone. I originally thought this would just be a place to post updates but I like the idea of keeping the first page updated as we go. I updated the layout and will fill in the updates when I have time. Started with Butler to see how it would look

Lots of senior talent in the league this past year.  Butler and Providence all seniors.  Top talent in UConn, Xavier, Nova seniors.  Maybe a one year older MU team has a chance in a younger, less talented BEast next year. 

Quote from: The Equalizer on March 30, 2022, 03:41:40 PM
Leaving out seniors with an added year (like Greg Elliott)

Butler:
Aaron Thompson
Ty Groce
Bryce Nze
Jair Bolden
Bo Hodges
Christian David (walkon?)

UConn:
Tyler Polley
Isiah Whaley

Creighton:
Hawkins
O'Connell
Feazell

DePaul
Brandon Johnson
Medlock

Georgetown
Carey?
Rice

Marquette
Morsell
Kuath

Providence
Watson
Durham
Horchler
Minaya
A Fonts (walkon?)

St. Johns
Tarkq Coburn
Stef Smith
I think Wheeler has another year of eligiblity

Seton Hall
Cale
Aiken
I think Obiago, Harris, and Yetna have another year

Villanova
Gillespie
Samuels

Xavier
Scruggs
Nate Johnson

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 31, 2022, 12:01:30 AM
Thanks for all the updates and suggestions everyone. I originally thought this would just be a place to post updates but I like the idea of keeping the first page updated as we go. I updated the layout and will fill in the updates when I have time. Started with Butler to see how it would look

As one who is not up to date on all things MU/college basketball I really appreciate it.

Yor Anei from DePaul will be returning to take advantage of his final year.

Jalen Gaffney of UConn announced he will transfer.

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 31, 2022, 10:35:24 AM
Yor Anei from DePaul will be returning to take advantage of his final year.

That's weird, because my anei and uncle both went to Marquette...

Quote from: barfolomew on March 31, 2022, 01:01:38 PM
That's weird, because my anei and uncle both went to Marquette...

DeMarcus Cousins went to Kentucky though.

Got everything updated. I'll update the first page and make new posts when there are updates. Appreciate anyone who posts anything I might have missed.

Butler:
Incoming:
Pierce Thomas #221 ranked FR, #42 ranked SF (coming off redshirt)
Connor Turnbull #304 ranked FR, #45 ranked C
Outgoing:
LaVall Jordan fired as head coach
Aaron Thompson graduating (Starting PG)
Bryce Nze graduating (Starting PF)
Bryce Golden transferring (Starting C)
Simas Lukosius transferring (Reserve SG)
Ty Groce graduating (Reserve PF)
Christian David graduating (Oft injured reserve SG)
Mike Parker graduating (Walk on PF)
In Flux:
New Coach to be named
Bo Hodges hasn't announced if he's using his COVID year (Starting SF)

Creighton:
Incoming:
Mason Miller #74 ranked FR, #16 ranked PF (coming off redshirt)
Ben Shtolzberg #158 ranked FR, #23 ranked PG
Jasen Green #187 ranked FR, #38 ranked PF
Outgoing:
Alex O'Connell graduating (Starting SG)
Ryan Hawkins graduating (Starting PF)
KeyShawn Feazell graduating (Reserve PF)

DePaul:
Incoming:
Zion Cruz #38 ranked FR, #2 ranked SG
Yor Anei using his COVID year (Reserve PF)
Ahamad Bynum #91 ranked FR, #22 ranked SG (coming off redshirt)
Katrell "KT" Raimey JUCO SG
Outgoing:
Brandon Johnson graduating (Starting PF)
Courvouisier McCauley transferring (Reserve SG)
In Flux:
Javon Freeman-Liberty hasn't declared yet but has publicly talked about leaning towards going pro (Starting SG)
Javan Johnson hasn't announced if he's using his COVID year (Reserve SF)
Tyon Grant-Foster missed last season with an undisclosed medical issue, unclear if he's returning (Reserve SF)

Georgetown:
Incoming:
Denver Anglin #78 ranked FR, #13 ranked CG
Wayne Bristol Jr transferring in from Howard (2020 MEAC ROY, SG)
D'Ante Bass #220 ranked FR #49 ranked PF
Outgoing:
Timothy Ighoefe transferring (Starting C)
Kaiden Rice graduating (Reserve SG)
Tyler Beard transferring (Reserve PG)
Jalin Billingsley transferring (Reserve PF)
In Flux:
Donald Carey hasn't announced if he's using his COVID year (Starting SG)
Aminu Mohammed could be considering the draft (Starting SF)

Marquette:
Incoming:
Sean Jones #148 ranked FR, #21 ranked PG
Chase Ross #186 ranked FR, #26 ranked CG
Keeyan Itejere #207 ranked FR, #40 ranked PF (coming off redshirt)
Ben Gold Unranked FR PF
Outgoing:
Darryl Morsell graduating (Starting SG)
Kur Kuath graduating (Starting C)
In Flux:
Justin Lewis likely considering the draft (Starting PF)
Greg Elliott hasn't officially announced but has talked publicly about this being his last season (Reserve SG)

Providence:
Incoming:
Ed Croswell confirmed he is coming back on his COVID year (Reserve PF)
Rafael Castro #135 ranked FR, #24 ranked PF (coming off redshirt)
Christ Essandoko #130 ranked FR, #23 ranked C
Jayden Pierre #168 ranked FR, #25 ranked PG
Legend Geeter #275 ranked FR, #57 ranked PF (coming off redshirt)
Quante Berry #252 ranked FR, #43 ranked PG
Outgoing:
Al Durham graduating (Starting PG)
Noah Horchler graduating (Starting PF)
Nate Watson graduating (Starting C)
Andrew Fonts graduating (Walk On PG)
In Flux:
AJ Reeves hasn't announced if he's using his COVID year (Starting SG)
Justin Minaya hasn't announced if he's using his COVID year (Starting SF)

Seton Hall:
Incoming:
Shaheen Holloway hired from St. Peter's
Brandon Weston #83 ranked FR, #15 ranked SF (coming off injury)
Ryan Conway #161 ranked FR, #23 ranked PG (coming off redshirt)
Jaquan Sanders #150 ranked FR, #18 ranked SG
Jaquan Harris #203 ranked FR, #30 ranked CG
Percy Daniels #221 ranked FR, #34 ranked C
Outgoing:
Kevin Willard hired away by Maryland
Bryce Aiken graduating (Reserve PG)
Myles Cale graduating (Starting SG)
In Flux:
Jared Rhoden hasn't declared yet but said he's "90% certain" he's going pro (Starting SF)
Jamir Harris hasn't announced if he's using his COVID year (Reserve SG)
Alexis Yetna hasn't announced if he's using his COVID year (Starting PF)
Ikey Obiagu hasn't announced if he's using his COVID year (Starting C)

St. John's:
Incoming:
AJ Storr #90 ranked FR, #9 ranked SG
Drissa Traore #293 ranked FR, #62 ranked PF (coming off redshirt)
Kolby King #294 ranked FR, #50 ranked PG
Outgoing:
Aaron Wheeler declared for the NBA draft (Starting SF)
Stef Smith graduating (Reserve PG)
Tareq Coburn graduating (Reserve SG)
Jalen Rosemond transferring (walk on PF)
In Flux:
Julian Champagnie hasn't declared yet but said before the season started that this was his last year in college (Starting PF)
Montez Mathis hasn't announced if he's using his COVID year (Starting SG)
Esahia Nyiwe hasn't announced if he's using his COVID year (Reserve C)

UConn:
Incoming:
Donovan Clingan #43 ranked FR, #10 ranked C
Corey Floyd Jr #93 ranked FR, #23 ranked SG (coming off redshirt)
Alex Karaban #95 ranked FR, #19 ranked PF (coming off early admit/redshirt)
Outgoing:
RJ Cole has declared for the NBA Draft (Starting PG)
Tyrese Martin has declared for the NBA Draft (Starting SF)
Isaiah Whaley graduating (Starting PF)
Tyler Polley graduating (Reserve PF)
Jalen Gaffney (Reserve PG)
Rashool Diggins transferring (Reserve PG)
In Flux:
Adama Sanogo may be considering the NBA draft (Starting C)

Villanova:
Incoming:
Cam Whitmore #20 ranked FR, #6 ranked SF
Mark Armstrong #45 ranked FR, #7 ranked CG
Brendan Hausen #100 ranked FR, #12 ranked SG
Angelo Brizzi #165 ranked FR, #13 ranked CG (coming off redshirt)
Outgoing:
Collin Gillespie graduating (Starting PG)
Jermaine Samuels graduating (Starting PF)
Dhamir Cosby-Roundtree graduating (Reserve C)
In Flux:
Justin Moore was considering the NBA draft but the injury may have derailed that (Starting SG)
Brandon Slater hasn't announced if he's using his COVID year (Starting SF)
Caleb Daniels hasn't announced if he's using his COVID year (Reserve PG)

Xavier:
Incoming:
Sean Miller hired as head coach from NCAA Cone of Shame
Kam Craft #62 ranked FR, #6 ranked SG
Desmond Claude #87 ranked FR, #13 ranked PG
Elijah Tucker #130 ranked FR, #23 ranked PF (coming off redshirt)
Hercy Miller transferring from Tennessee State (walk on)
Outgoing:
Travis Steele fired and then hired by Miami (OH)
Paul Scruggs graduating (Starting PG)
Nate Johnson graduating (Starting SG)
In Flux:
Adam Kunkel hasn't announced if he's using his COVID year (Reserve PG)
Ben Stanley hasn't announced if he's using his COVID year (Reserve SF)
KyKy Tandy had season ending surgery and it's unclear if he will return (Reserve CG)

Wow, TAMU. Thanks!

Agree,  thank you for this.

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 01, 2022, 11:54:00 PM

Montez Mathis hasn't announced if he's using his COVID year (Starting SG)

He annoucned hes coming back already.

First update of the college basketball offseason:

Butler hires Thad Matta

DePaul transfer Courvoisier McCauley settled on Indiana State as his transfer destination

Georgetown losing bit role player Kobe Clark to transfer

St. John's got good news bad news as starting SG Montez Mathis announced his return for his COVID year (thanks for the tip PGs) but lost Big East First Team PF Julian Champagnie to the NBA Draft, net loss for them

Xavier losing known Marquette killer Dwon Odom to the portal

Butler:
Incoming:
Thad Matta hired as head coach from Indiana front office
Pierce Thomas #221 ranked FR, #42 ranked SF (coming off redshirt)
Connor Turnbull #304 ranked FR, #45 ranked C
Outgoing:
LaVall Jordan fired as head coach
Aaron Thompson graduating (Starting PG)
Bryce Nze graduating (Starting PF)
Bryce Golden transferring (Starting C)
Simas Lukosius transferring (Reserve SG)
Ty Groce graduating (Reserve PF)
Christian David graduating (Oft injured reserve SG)
Mike Parker transferring (Walk on PF)
In Flux:
Bo Hodges hasn't announced if he's using his COVID year (Starting SF)

Creighton:
Incoming:
Mason Miller #74 ranked FR, #16 ranked PF (coming off redshirt)
Ben Shtolzberg #158 ranked FR, #23 ranked PG
Jasen Green #187 ranked FR, #38 ranked PF
Outgoing:
Alex O'Connell graduating (Starting SG)
Ryan Hawkins graduating (Starting PF)
KeyShawn Feazell graduating (Reserve PF)

DePaul:
Incoming:
Zion Cruz #38 ranked FR, #2 ranked SG
Yor Anei using his COVID year (Reserve PF)
Ahamad Bynum #91 ranked FR, #22 ranked SG (coming off redshirt)
Katrell "KT" Raimey JUCO SG
Outgoing:
Brandon Johnson graduating (Starting PF)
Courvouisier McCauley transferring to Indiana State (Reserve SG)
In Flux:
Javon Freeman-Liberty hasn't declared yet but has publicly talked about leaning towards going pro (Starting SG)
Javan Johnson hasn't announced if he's using his COVID year (Reserve SF)
Tyon Grant-Foster missed last season with an undisclosed medical issue, unclear if he's returning (Reserve SF)

Georgetown:
Incoming:
Denver Anglin #78 ranked FR, #13 ranked CG
Wayne Bristol Jr transferring in from Howard (2020 MEAC ROY, SG)
D'Ante Bass #220 ranked FR #49 ranked PF
Outgoing:
Timothy Ighoefe transferring (Starting C)
Kaiden Rice graduating (Reserve SG)
Tyler Beard transferring (Reserve PG)
Jalin Billingsley transferring (Reserve PF)
Kobe Clark transferring (Reserve SF)
In Flux:
Donald Carey hasn't announced if he's using his COVID year (Starting SG)
Aminu Mohammed could be considering the draft (Starting SF)

Marquette:
Incoming:
Sean Jones #148 ranked FR, #21 ranked PG
Chase Ross #186 ranked FR, #26 ranked CG
Keeyan Itejere #207 ranked FR, #40 ranked PF (coming off redshirt)
Ben Gold Unranked FR PF
Outgoing:
Darryl Morsell graduating (Starting SG)
Kur Kuath graduating (Starting C)
In Flux:
Justin Lewis likely considering the draft (Starting PF)
Greg Elliott hasn't officially announced but has talked publicly about this being his last season (Reserve SG)

Providence:
Incoming:
Ed Croswell confirmed he is coming back on his COVID year (Reserve PF)
Rafael Castro #135 ranked FR, #24 ranked PF (coming off redshirt)
Christ Essandoko #130 ranked FR, #23 ranked C
Jayden Pierre #168 ranked FR, #25 ranked PG
Legend Geeter #275 ranked FR, #57 ranked PF (coming off redshirt)
Quante Berry #252 ranked FR, #43 ranked PG
Outgoing:
Al Durham graduating (Starting PG)
Noah Horchler graduating (Starting PF)
Nate Watson graduating (Starting C)
Andrew Fonts graduating (Walk On PG)
In Flux:
AJ Reeves hasn't announced if he's using his COVID year (Starting SG)
Justin Minaya hasn't announced if he's using his COVID year (Starting SF)

Seton Hall:
Incoming:
Shaheen Holloway hired from St. Peter's
Brandon Weston #83 ranked FR, #15 ranked SF (coming off injury)
Ryan Conway #161 ranked FR, #23 ranked PG (coming off redshirt)
Jaquan Sanders #150 ranked FR, #18 ranked SG
Jaquan Harris #203 ranked FR, #30 ranked CG
Percy Daniels #221 ranked FR, #34 ranked C
Outgoing:
Kevin Willard hired away by Maryland
Myles Cale graduating (Starting SG)
Bryce Aiken graduating (Reserve PG)
In Flux:
Jared Rhoden hasn't declared yet but said he's "90% certain" he's going pro (Starting SF)
Jamir Harris hasn't announced if he's using his COVID year (Reserve SG)
Alexis Yetna hasn't announced if he's using his COVID year (Starting PF)
Ikey Obiagu hasn't announced if he's using his COVID year (Starting C)

St. John's:
Incoming:
Montez Mathis announced that he's returning for his COVID year (Starting SG)
AJ Storr #90 ranked FR, #9 ranked SG
Drissa Traore #293 ranked FR, #62 ranked PF (coming off redshirt)
Kolby King #294 ranked FR, #50 ranked PG
Outgoing:
Aaron Wheeler declared for the NBA draft (Starting SF)
Julian Champagnie declared for the NBA draft(Starting PF)
Stef Smith graduating (Reserve PG)
Tareq Coburn graduating (Reserve SG)
Jalen Rosemond transferring (walk on PF)
In Flux:
Esahia Nyiwe hasn't announced if he's using his COVID year (Reserve C)

UConn:
Incoming:
Donovan Clingan #43 ranked FR, #10 ranked C
Corey Floyd Jr #93 ranked FR, #23 ranked SG (coming off redshirt)
Alex Karaban #95 ranked FR, #19 ranked PF (coming off early admit/redshirt)
Outgoing:
RJ Cole has declared for the NBA Draft (Starting PG)
Tyrese Martin has declared for the NBA Draft (Starting SF)
Isaiah Whaley graduating (Starting PF)
Tyler Polley graduating (Reserve PF)
Jalen Gaffney (Reserve PG)
Rashool Diggins transferring (Reserve PG)
In Flux:
Adama Sanogo may be considering the NBA draft (Starting C)

Villanova:
Incoming:
Cam Whitmore #20 ranked FR, #6 ranked SF
Mark Armstrong #45 ranked FR, #7 ranked CG
Brendan Hausen #100 ranked FR, #12 ranked SG
Angelo Brizzi #165 ranked FR, #13 ranked CG (coming off redshirt)
Outgoing:
Collin Gillespie graduating (Starting PG)
Jermaine Samuels graduating (Starting PF)
Dhamir Cosby-Roundtree graduating (Reserve C)
In Flux:
Justin Moore was considering the NBA draft but the injury may have derailed that (Starting SG)
Brandon Slater hasn't announced if he's using his COVID year (Starting SF)
Caleb Daniels hasn't announced if he's using his COVID year (Reserve PG)

Xavier:
Incoming:
Sean Miller hired as head coach from NCAA Cone of Shame
Kam Craft #62 ranked FR, #6 ranked SG
Desmond Claude #87 ranked FR, #13 ranked PG
Elijah Tucker #130 ranked FR, #23 ranked PF (coming off redshirt)
Hercy Miller transferring from Tennessee State (walk on)
Outgoing:
Travis Steele fired and then hired by Miami (OH)
Paul Scruggs graduating (Starting PG)
Nate Johnson graduating (Starting SG)
Dwon Odom transferring (Reserve PG)
In Flux:
Adam Kunkel hasn't announced if he's using his COVID year (Reserve PG)
Ben Stanley hasn't announced if he's using his COVID year (Reserve SF)
KyKy Tandy had season ending surgery and it's unclear if he will return (Reserve CG)

6'10 Connor Turnbull re-opened his commitment yesterday. He was a Butler commit. Skilled thin big man. He can play. Under the radar player. He's already heard from Creighton, (He knows Kalkbrenner) Iowa, Wisconsin, among others.

Wow TAMU, this is great!!!   Thank you for your efforts!   

@jakeweingarten
Xavier's Colby Jones tells @stockrisers that he will RETURN to Xavier and play for coach Sean Miller. Huge returner for the Musketeers. Jones, averaged 11.6 points, 7.3 boards, and shot 48% from the field.

Up to 11 transfers out of more than 1,135. That's less than 1% of all college basketball transfers when the Big East would be expected to have at least 32 based on the number of programs. This league is doing an excellent job of retaining players, especially given three jobs turned over. I mean...aside from Georgetown, but what can you do?

Quote from: Pakuni on April 06, 2022, 12:48:53 PM
@jakeweingarten
Xavier's Colby Jones tells @stockrisers that he will RETURN to Xavier and play for coach Sean Miller. Huge returner for the Musketeers. Jones, averaged 11.6 points, 7.3 boards, and shot 48% from the field.

I enjoy watching Jones play. Will be on the better players in The Big East next season.

Over the years X  seems to be able to retain quality players like Colby and thus have experienced squads each season. Even though Steele was not a good game coach, he did a good job of keeping the pantry stocked.

Should we add the Zags roster soon??

Mattaeus Case of Providence entered the Portal.  Played in only 4 games this year after transferring from Penn.

Minaya going pro.

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on April 06, 2022, 08:22:25 PM
Minaya going pro.

Oof. That's 4 Providence starters gone. Reeves decides that 4 years is enough and that'll be a clean sweep. Though they do return Bynum who was technically not a starter but got starter level minutes and was All-Big East 2nd team.

Does the Big East have a rule about players transferring within the conference? Not suggesting anyone in the portal has heard from MU, or that we should go after any particular one of them, just wondering if a rule was in place.

Quote from: Warrior Code on April 07, 2022, 07:40:20 AM
Does the Big East have a rule about players transferring within the conference? Not suggesting anyone in the portal has heard from MU, or that we should go after any particular one of them, just wondering if a rule was in place.

Not any longer

Dwon Odom to Georgia State. 

Quote from: lawdog77 on April 07, 2022, 01:53:37 PM
Dwon Odom to Georgia State.

Followed Jonah Hayes.

Quote from: lawdog77 on April 07, 2022, 01:53:37 PM
Dwon Odom to Georgia State.

wow should dominate

Odom is from Alpharetta, Georgia. He was having a hard time finding takers in the transfer market according to this article, purportedly because of his lack of an outside shot. I think he will do very well at Georgia State.

https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2022/4/6/23012850/why-dont-high-majors-want-dwon-odom-xavier-basketball-transfer

Quote from: Herman Cain on April 07, 2022, 07:39:20 PM
Odom is from Alpharetta, Georgia. He was having a hard time finding takers in the transfer market according to this article, purportedly because of his lack of an outside shot. I think he will do very well at Georgia State.

https://www.bannersontheparkway.com/2022/4/6/23012850/why-dont-high-majors-want-dwon-odom-xavier-basketball-transfer

Last December at X,  Odom missed his only 3 pointer against MU but went 8 for 8 on his lane forays as he much doomed our GEs in that game.  He is a weapon. 

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 06, 2022, 11:14:24 PM
Oof. That's 4 Providence starters gone. Reeves decides that 4 years is enough and that'll be a clean sweep. Though they do return Bynum who was technically not a starter but got starter level minutes and was All-Big East 2nd team.

And now 6'11" Essandoko has decommitted.

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 08, 2022, 07:52:38 AM
And now 6'11" Essandoko has decommitted.

"The relationship and communication have changed between them and my parents, my handler, and me," Essandoko tells On3. "I was supposed to enroll early In January, but it didn't happen, so I think it was the best choice for me as a student-athlete."

My "handler?"

Also rumors that the reason he didn't enroll in January was because his transcript was a mess.

Quote from: Clarissa on April 08, 2022, 07:58:45 AM
"The relationship and communication have changed between them and my parents, my handler, and me," Essandoko tells On3. "I was supposed to enroll early In January, but it didn't happen, so I think it was the best choice for me as a student-athlete."

My "handler?"

Also rumors that the reason he didn't enroll in January was because his transcript was a mess.

Strange word choice, but the kid is from France (which may also explain the word choice) and his family is still there. So, it makes sense that he would have someone stateside helping him through the recruiting process.

Quote from: Pakuni on April 08, 2022, 08:36:36 AM
Strange word choice, but the kid is from France (which may also explain the word choice) and his family is still there. So, it makes sense that he would have someone stateside helping him through the recruiting process.

Probably tutor?

Advisor?

Come on, in the era of NIL, it's clearly the bag handler.

Chelsea?

I wonder if Steve Lavin recruits some Big East players out of the transfer portal. He has been studying the league for many years and knows all the talent.

Ali Ali to Butler--Matta's first recruit.

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/butler/2022/04/09/butler-basketball-akron-transfer-ali-ali-thad-matta-first-recruit/9525008002/ (https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/butler/2022/04/09/butler-basketball-akron-transfer-ali-ali-thad-matta-first-recruit/9525008002/)

Quote from: The Equalizer on April 09, 2022, 11:55:50 AM
Ali Ali to Butler--Matta's first recruit.

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/butler/2022/04/09/butler-basketball-akron-transfer-ali-ali-thad-matta-first-recruit/9525008002/ (https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/butler/2022/04/09/butler-basketball-akron-transfer-ali-ali-thad-matta-first-recruit/9525008002/)

Joins Akok Akok on the Big East's team of redundant names.

Quote from: The Equalizer on April 09, 2022, 11:55:50 AM
Ali Ali to Butler--Matta's first recruit.

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/butler/2022/04/09/butler-basketball-akron-transfer-ali-ali-thad-matta-first-recruit/9525008002/ (https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/butler/2022/04/09/butler-basketball-akron-transfer-ali-ali-thad-matta-first-recruit/9525008002/)

He's a good ball player. Solid scorer

Update time. Lots of changes in the past few days:

Butler:
Landed Akron transfer Ali Ali, best transfer into the conference so far
Bo Hodges does not have a COVID year left and is moving on

Creighton:
Little used reserve PF Modestas Kancleris is in the transfer portal

DePaul:
Javon Freeman-Liberty has declared for the NBA

Georgetown:
Aminu Mohammed and Don Carey have both declared for the NBA draft. They both techincally left the door open to return but the tea leaves seem to say that it is either going pro or into the portal

Providence:
Minaya is going pro and will not use his COVID year
Top rated 2022 recruit Crist Essandoko has decommitted

Seton Hall:
Jamir Harris returning for COVID year
Alexis Yetna and Ike Obiagu are moving on

Xavier:
Dwon Odom landed at Georgia State
Walk on Specer Cody is in the transfer portal
Wanna be JP Marcura Adam Kunkel announced that's returning for a third year of having one good game a season against Marquette

Figured we could use a thread to track players from around the conference who are deciding to transfer in/out, use/not use their COVID year, and declare for the draft. Mostly quiet so far with the biggest news being Cole declaring for the NBA.

What I've got so far:

Butler:
Incoming:
Thad Matta hired as head coach from Indiana front office
Ali Ali transferring from Akron (2nd Team All-MAC SF)
Pierce Thomas #221 ranked FR, #42 ranked SF (coming off redshirt)
Outgoing:
LaVall Jordan fired as head coach
Aaron Thompson graduating (Starting PG)
Bo Hodges graduating (Starting SF)
Bryce Nze graduating (Starting PF)
Bryce Golden transferring (Starting C)
Simas Lukosius transferring (Reserve SG)
Ty Groce graduating (Reserve PF)
Christian David graduating (Oft injured reserve SG)
Mike Parker transferring (Walk on PF)
Connor Turnbull decommitted (#304 ranked FR, #45 ranked C)

Creighton:
Incoming:
Mason Miller #74 ranked FR, #16 ranked PF (coming off redshirt)
Ben Shtolzberg #158 ranked FR, #23 ranked PG
Jasen Green #187 ranked FR, #38 ranked PF
Outgoing:
Alex O'Connell graduating (Starting SG)
Ryan Hawkins graduating (Starting PF)
KeyShawn Feazell graduating (Reserve PF)
Modestas Kancleris transferring (Reserve PF)

DePaul:
Incoming:
Zion Cruz #38 ranked FR, #2 ranked SG
Yor Anei using his COVID year (Reserve PF)
Ahamad Bynum #91 ranked FR, #22 ranked SG (coming off redshirt)
Katrell "KT" Raimey JUCO SG
Outgoing:
Javon Freeman-Liberty declared for the NBA Draft (Starting SG)
Brandon Johnson graduating (Starting PF)
Courvouisier McCauley transferring to Indiana State (Reserve SG)
In Flux:
Javan Johnson hasn't announced if he's using his COVID year (Reserve SF)
Tyon Grant-Foster missed last season with an undisclosed medical issue, unclear if he's returning (Reserve SF)

Georgetown:
Incoming:
Denver Anglin #78 ranked FR, #13 ranked CG
Wayne Bristol Jr transferring in from Howard (2020 MEAC ROY, SG)
D'Ante Bass #220 ranked FR #49 ranked PF
Outgoing:
Donald Carey has declared for the draft (Starting SG)
Aminu Mohammed declared for the draft (Starting SF)
Timothy Ighoefe transferring (Starting C)
Kaiden Rice graduating (Reserve SG)
Tyler Beard transferring (Reserve PG)
Jalin Billingsley transferring (Reserve PF)
Kobe Clark transferring (Reserve SF)

Marquette:
Incoming:
Sean Jones #148 ranked FR, #21 ranked PG
Chase Ross #186 ranked FR, #26 ranked CG
Keeyan Itejere #207 ranked FR, #40 ranked PF (coming off redshirt)
Ben Gold Unranked FR PF
Outgoing:
Darryl Morsell graduating (Starting SG)
Kur Kuath graduating (Starting C)
In Flux:
Justin Lewis likely considering the draft (Starting PF)
Greg Elliott hasn't officially announced but has talked publicly about this being his last season (Reserve SG)

Providence:
Incoming:
Ed Croswell confirmed he is coming back on his COVID year (Reserve PF)
Rafael Castro #135 ranked FR, #24 ranked PF (coming off redshirt)
Jayden Pierre #168 ranked FR, #25 ranked PG
Legend Geeter #275 ranked FR, #57 ranked PF (coming off redshirt)
Quante Berry #252 ranked FR, #43 ranked PG
Outgoing:
Al Durham graduating (Starting PG)
Justin Minaya declared for the draft (Starting SF)
Noah Horchler graduating (Starting PF)
Nate Watson graduating (Starting C)
Andrew Fonts graduating (Walk On PG)
Christ Essandoko decommitted (#130 ranked FR, #23 ranked C)
In Flux:
AJ Reeves hasn't announced if he's using his COVID year (Starting SG)

Seton Hall:
Incoming:
Shaheen Holloway hired from St. Peter's
Jamir Harris returning for his COVID year (Reserve SG)
Brandon Weston #83 ranked FR, #15 ranked SF (coming off injury)
Ryan Conway #161 ranked FR, #23 ranked PG (coming off redshirt)
Jaquan Sanders #150 ranked FR, #18 ranked SG
Jaquan Harris #203 ranked FR, #30 ranked CG
Percy Daniels #221 ranked FR, #34 ranked C
Outgoing:
Kevin Willard hired away by Maryland
Myles Cale graduating (Starting SG)
Alexis Yetna graduating (Starting PF)
Ikey Obiagu graduating (Starting C)
Bryce Aiken graduating (Reserve PG)
In Flux:
Jared Rhoden hasn't declared yet but said he's "90% certain" he's going pro (Starting SF)

St. John's:
Incoming:
Montez Mathis announced that he's returning for his COVID year (Starting SG)
AJ Storr #90 ranked FR, #9 ranked SG
Drissa Traore #293 ranked FR, #62 ranked PF (coming off redshirt)
Kolby King #294 ranked FR, #50 ranked PG
Outgoing:
Aaron Wheeler declared for the NBA draft (Starting SF)
Julian Champagnie declared for the NBA draft(Starting PF)
Stef Smith graduating (Reserve PG)
Tareq Coburn graduating (Reserve SG)
Jalen Rosemond transferring (walk on PF)
In Flux:
Esahia Nyiwe hasn't announced if he's using his COVID year (Reserve C)

UConn:
Incoming:
Donovan Clingan #43 ranked FR, #10 ranked C
Corey Floyd Jr #93 ranked FR, #23 ranked SG (coming off redshirt)
Alex Karaban #95 ranked FR, #19 ranked PF (coming off early admit/redshirt)
Outgoing:
RJ Cole has declared for the NBA Draft (Starting PG)
Tyrese Martin has declared for the NBA Draft (Starting SF)
Isaiah Whaley graduating (Starting PF)
Tyler Polley graduating (Reserve PF)
Jalen Gaffney (Reserve PG)
Rashool Diggins transferring (Reserve PG)
In Flux:
Adama Sanogo may be considering the NBA draft (Starting C)

Villanova:
Incoming:
Cam Whitmore #20 ranked FR, #6 ranked SF
Mark Armstrong #45 ranked FR, #7 ranked CG
Brendan Hausen #100 ranked FR, #12 ranked SG
Angelo Brizzi #165 ranked FR, #13 ranked CG (coming off redshirt)
Outgoing:
Collin Gillespie graduating (Starting PG)
Jermaine Samuels graduating (Starting PF)
Dhamir Cosby-Roundtree graduating (Reserve C)
In Flux:
Justin Moore was considering the NBA draft but the injury may have derailed that (Starting SG)
Brandon Slater hasn't announced if he's using his COVID year (Starting SF)
Caleb Daniels hasn't announced if he's using his COVID year (Reserve PG)

Xavier:
Incoming:
Sean Miller hired as head coach from NCAA Cone of Shame
Adam Kunkel return for his COVID year (Reserve PG)
Kam Craft #62 ranked FR, #6 ranked SG
Desmond Claude #87 ranked FR, #13 ranked PG
Elijah Tucker #130 ranked FR, #23 ranked PF (coming off redshirt)
Hercy Miller transferring from Tennessee State (walk on)
Outgoing:
Travis Steele fired and then hired by Miami (OH)
Paul Scruggs graduating (Starting PG)
Nate Johnson graduating (Starting SG)
Dwon Odom transferring to Georgia State (Reserve PG)
Spencer Cody transferring (Walk on PG)
In Flux:
Ben Stanley hasn't announced if he's using his COVID year (Reserve SF)

Biggest Big East roster questions left on the board:

Will Justin Lewis go pro?
Will AJ Reeves use his Covid year?
Will Jared Rhoden go pro?
Will Adama Sanogo go pro?
Will Branson Slater and Caleb Daniels use their COVID years?

Each one has massive implications for the landscape of the Big East next season

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 09, 2022, 03:01:26 PM
Georgetown:
Incoming:
Denver Anglin #78 ranked FR, #13 ranked CG
Wayne Bristol Jr transferring in from Howard (2020 MEAC ROY, SG)
D'Ante Bass #220 ranked FR #49 ranked PF
Outgoing:
Donald Carey has declared for the draft (Starting SG)
Aminu Mohammed declared for the draft (Starting SF)
Timothy Ighoefe transferring (Starting C)
Kaiden Rice graduating (Reserve SG)
Tyler Beard transferring (Reserve PG)
Jalin Billingsley transferring (Reserve PF)
Kobe Clark transferring (Reserve SF)

1. Aminu Mohammed has not formally declared. This claim came from Stockrisers.com but he is not on a formal early entrant list...yet.
https://twitter.com/jakeweingarten/status/1509527249401298948

2. Wayne Bristol was on the 2021-22 roster but did not see any time.
https://guhoyas.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/wayne-bristol-jr-/13310

3. There is chatter about more transfers. Georgetown doesn't need this.

Quote from: DFW HOYA on April 09, 2022, 04:12:02 PM3. There is chatter about more transfers. Georgetown doesn't need this.

For the Georgetown basketball diehards, where are they at? Hoping it goes bad enough that Ewing is out next year? Still thinking he can resurrect it? Resigned to falling into mediocrity?

Jack Nunge at Xavier confirmed he's returning next session and can't wait to play for S Miller.

Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 09, 2022, 05:54:20 PM
Jack Nunge at Xavier confirmed he's returning next session and can't wait to play for S Miller.

That bank account took a jump in the last couple weeks.

Xavier Pinson has narrowed his transfer choice down to Xavier and Mississippi State.

Quote from: shoothoops on April 09, 2022, 09:20:41 PM
Xavier Pinson has narrowed his transfer choice down to Xavier and Mississippi State.

I hope Xavier is in the lead for Xavier.....

Quote from: Herman Cain on April 09, 2022, 09:33:09 PM
I hope Xavier is in the lead for Xavier.....

Mississippi St just got a PG. It looks like Xavier gets Xavier

Quote from: jfp61 on April 10, 2022, 03:16:24 PM
Mississippi St just got a PG. It looks like Xavier gets Xavier

Kunkel, Jones, Freemantle, Nunge is already a very formidable starting 4. All it needs is a PG to make it all go. If they land Pinson, assuming no surprise defections, Xavier is going to be very good next season. Maybe win the Big East good if they kind find some depth to backup that starting 5.

When's the last season that MU didn't have a transfer (not to jinx anything)

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 10, 2022, 05:24:08 PM
Kunkel, Jones, Freemantle, Nunge is already a very formidable starting 4. All it needs is a PG to make it all go. If they land Pinson, assuming no surprise defections, Xavier is going to be very good next season. Maybe win the Big East good if they kind find some depth to backup that starting 5.

I was really high on the Xavier train going into this year and they vastly underperformed.

Signing Pinson would be a massive get for them and make them a menace in the conference as well as a player on the national stage next season. 

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 10, 2022, 05:24:08 PM
Kunkel, Jones, Freemantle, Nunge is already a very formidable starting 4. All it needs is a PG to make it all go. If they land Pinson, assuming no surprise defections, Xavier is going to be very good next season. Maybe win the Big East good if they kind find some depth to backup that starting 5.

The only guy that moves the needle for me of those four is Jones. If one of Freemantle or Nunje were an athletic board eater that'd be a much better pairing. As it is, those two are kind of redundant.

Quote from: wadesworld on April 10, 2022, 06:25:02 PM
The only guy that moves the needle for me of those four is Jones. If one of Freemantle or Nunje were an athletic board eater that'd be a much better pairing. As it is, those two are kind of redundant.

That's not a bad thing - Worked well for Purdue this season. They're both very different posts (I think they can play together) but if they don't, you have two really good players going a full 40. Tough to manage as an opponent. 

Quote from: wadesworld on April 10, 2022, 06:25:02 PM
The only guy that moves the needle for me of those four is Jones. If one of Freemantle or Nunje were an athletic board eater that'd be a much better pairing. As it is, those two are kind of redundant.

I think Miller will get a lot more out of those 4 than Steele did

Quote from: Skatastrophy on April 10, 2022, 05:50:22 PM
When's the last season that MU didn't have a transfer (not to jinx anything)

2020, unless you count Bailey going pro as a transfer.

Quote from: brewcity77 on April 09, 2022, 04:25:16 PM
For the Georgetown basketball diehards, where are they at? Hoping it goes bad enough that Ewing is out next year? Still thinking he can resurrect it? Resigned to falling into mediocrity?

For some, they will wait until the buyout. The disturbing part is that the deeper you go inside the school, the more they think everything's OK. It's still 1985 there.

Meanwhile, expect attendance to drop even lower.

Quote from: panda on April 10, 2022, 06:32:22 PM
That's not a bad thing - Worked well for Purdue this season. They're both very different posts (I think they can play together) but if they don't, you have two really good players going a full 40. Tough to manage as an opponent.

Rotated like Purdue did, yes. Played together, I don't know. I think they occupy too much of the same space on defense. Butler was 1-6 in games when both Nunge and Freemantle played 30+ minutes. I expect Miller will be smart enough to split them up more often.

Justin Lewis good friend Brandon Murray has transferred from LSU to Georgetown to go 'home' in his words.

Does that mean Justin is going to enter the portal and do the same?

*Is this proper scoop reaction?*

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 11, 2022, 02:23:16 PM
Justin Lewis good friend Brandon Murray has transferred from LSU to Georgetown to go 'home' in his words.

Murray grew up in Baltimore (which is not Washington in a lot of ways), but I get what he's saying.

He appears to be the replacement for Aminu Mohammed, if his handler's tweet is to be understood.

https://twitter.com/Harmon64S/status/1513654475839479810

Quote from: DFW HOYA on April 11, 2022, 06:26:53 PM
Murray grew up in Baltimore (which is not Washington in a lot of ways), but I get what he's saying.

He appears to be the replacement for Aminu Mohammed, if his handler's tweet is to be understood.

https://twitter.com/Harmon64S/status/1513654475839479810

His tweet right under it
"Any decision to return to school at whatever school that might be will be made at a timetable that we determine!!!"

I think this is why Lewis walked his statement of returning back too. They want legitimate reviews from NBA personal. NBA scouts got smart and mailed in their reports back to players who are returning in the past. Also the handle seemed to be supportive of the murray transfer.

https://twitter.com/Andrew__Slater/status/1513648182445711361?s=20&t=CTsW40C39cJM5RH5UeAg6Q

Seems like a Curbelo to st Johns. That just feels equally gross and it feels right.

AJ Reeves signing with an agent and entering the 2022 NBA Draft.

Quote from: jfp61 on April 11, 2022, 06:36:18 PM
https://twitter.com/Andrew__Slater/status/1513648182445711361?s=20&t=CTsW40C39cJM5RH5UeAg6Q

Seems like a Curbelo to st Johns. That just feels equally gross and it feels right.

How nice of them to spot us 12 of our needed 32 deflections

Quote from: brewcity77 on April 12, 2022, 11:18:44 AM
AJ Reeves signing with an agent and entering the 2022 NBA Draft.

Woof. Hope they enjoyed that Sweet 16 run cause next year could get ROUGH if they don't hit it big on the transfer market. That's all 5 starters and their top rated commit gone. Their starting 5 is currently looking like:

PG: Jared Bynum (Really good)
SG: Alyn Breed (13 minutes a game last season)
SF: Brycen Goodine? (6 minutes a game last season)
PF: Ed Croswell (15 minutes a game last season)
C: Rafael Castro? (Former top 150 recruit coming off a redshirt)

Gonna need big minutes out of their 3 other frosh too, none of whom are ranked in the top 150. Of course maybe they get big names in the portal or Cooley found him some underranked gems and this ends up being a non-issue. Bynum should end up as first team all-Big East if for no other reason than the offensive volume he's going to have to take on.

Quote from: brewcity77 on April 12, 2022, 11:18:44 AM
AJ Reeves signing with an agent and entering the 2022 NBA Draft.

That means PC lost all 5 starters correct? And their top incoming recruit? With no incoming freshman in the top 100? I know Cooley is seen as one of the better coaches in the Conference, and he still might hit the portal hard, but it's looking like a very tall task for him next year.

Edit: TAMU beat me to it.

Quote from: Its DJOver on April 12, 2022, 11:52:07 AM
That means PC lost all 5 starters correct? And their top incoming recruit? With no incoming freshman in the top 100? I know Cooley is seen as one of the better coaches in the Conference, and he still might hit the portal hard, but it's looking like a very tall task for him next year.

Edit: TAMU beat me to it.

I'm sure they'll luck into some players.

I think PC will get Devin Carter. And I know Ed Croswell is better than Nate Watson. They will be okay. In the 70's

Croswell is a Big East starter-quality player IMHO. I often thought they were better with him on the court instead of Watson.

It'll be interesting to see how quickly Cooley can re-stock/rebuild.

I will say. It is a down year for big east incoming freshman classes. Last year was significantly better.

Marquette might have the second best incoming class of freshman next year behind Nova with Whitmore. And it is not a super "special" class by MU's standards.

Only other class in the same ballpark is Xavier with Kraft.

Quote from: jfp61 on April 12, 2022, 12:17:45 PM
I think PC will get Devin Carter. And I know Ed Croswell is better than Nate Watson. They will be okay. In the 70's

Carter doesn't inspire much fear. Bench player on a really bad South Carolina team

Quote from: jfp61 on April 12, 2022, 12:33:05 PM
I will say. It is a down year for big east incoming freshman classes. Last year was significantly better.

Marquette might have the second best incoming class of freshman next year behind Nova with Whitmore. And it is not a super "special" class by MU's standards.

Only other class in the same ballpark is Xavier with Kraft.

Eh, at least on paper I think Seton Hall and Georgetown have comparable classes.

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 12, 2022, 01:26:37 PM
Eh, at least on paper I think Seton Hall and Georgetown have comparable classes.

SH lost Percy Daniels this morning.  might lose more too. Maryland will take any of them.

And Georgetown is only "good" if you like Denver Anglin. I'm not really a fan. I reminds me of a worse version of Kam. Which alone, as a recruiting class, isn't  special.

Uconn's and Depauls one man classes are ahead of those two for me.

But still as classes of guys. Every big east team is down overal

Quote from: jfp61 on April 12, 2022, 01:40:14 PM
And Georgetown is only "good" if you like Denver Anglin. I'm not really a fan. I reminds me of a worse version of Kam. Which alone, as a recruiting class, isn't  special.

Georgetown gains Denver Anglin (#112 in 2022) and D'Ante Bass (#218) and loses Tyler Beard (#149 in 2021), Jalin Billingsley (#225), Kobe Clark (#382 in 2020) and Timothy Ighoefe (NR in 2020) to the portal. Donald Carey (13.5 ppg) and Kaiden Rice (11.0) will not exercise their COVID year option. There was previous chatter about one or two more departures.

Aminu Mohammed (#24 in 2021) is apparently being backfilled by Brandon Murray (#85).

Quote from: jfp61 on April 12, 2022, 01:40:14 PM
SH lost Percy Daniels this morning.  might lose more too. Maryland will take any of them.

I missed Daniels decommitting. I also forgot that DePaul landed Cruz. Cruz by himself I'd put above most of the Big East classes this year.

@JonRothstein

Simas Lukosius has officially announced that he is returning to Butler next season, per his IG page.
Significant development for Thad Matta, who is piecing together a solid team for Year One.

Andre Curbelo to St Johns BABY!!!

Quote from: jfp61 on April 15, 2022, 12:30:25 PM
Andre Curbelo to St Johns BABY!!!

Gimme all the turnovers

Former Butler commit Connor Turnbull is deciding among Butler, SLU, Mizzou, and Iowa.

He is visiting all four schools.

ECU's Tristen Newton to UConn

https://www.witn.com/2022/04/13/ecu-basketball-leading-scorer-tristen-newton-completes-transfer-uconn/ (https://www.witn.com/2022/04/13/ecu-basketball-leading-scorer-tristen-newton-completes-transfer-uconn/)

Quote from: jfp61 on April 15, 2022, 12:30:25 PM
Andre Curbelo to St Johns BABY!!!

Isn't he same class, same position as Posh Alexander? 

Slight MU connection on this one.  Corey Floyd Sr. was Bob Dukiet's most heralded recruit, but either didn't qualify or wasn't accepted by MU and wound up at Providence.  Jr. is transferring from UConn.

https://247sports.com/Article/UConn-basketball-transfer-Corey-Floyd-hearing-from-Georgia-Maryland-Virginia-Tech-among-11-programs-report-186163705/ (https://247sports.com/Article/UConn-basketball-transfer-Corey-Floyd-hearing-from-Georgia-Maryland-Virginia-Tech-among-11-programs-report-186163705/)

Quote from: jfp61 on April 15, 2022, 12:30:25 PM
Andre Curbelo to St Johns BABY!!!

I can really see him thriving in a structured system where the coach focuses his talent toward a team oriented goal.

St John's is...not that.

Louisville's Noah Locke to Providence

https://www.si.com/college/louisville/basketball/noah-locke-providence (https://www.si.com/college/louisville/basketball/noah-locke-providence)

6'2" CG, 9.6 ppg, ranked 87th out of HS. Spent three years at Florida before last season at Louisville. 

Quote from: shoothoops on April 15, 2022, 12:34:47 PM
Former Butler commit Connor Turnbull is deciding among Butler, SLU, Mizzou, and Iowa.

He is visiting all four schools.

Did he originally commit to Butler without visiting?

Quote from: The Equalizer on April 15, 2022, 04:59:26 PM
Louisville's Noah Locke to Providence

https://www.si.com/college/louisville/basketball/noah-locke-providence (https://www.si.com/college/louisville/basketball/noah-locke-providence)

6'2" CG, 9.6 ppg, ranked 87th out of HS. Spent three years at Florida before last season at Louisville.

Big weekend for Providence.
Also added South Carolina transfer Devin Carter (9.3 ppg/3.8 rpg as a freshman) and LaSalle transfer Clifton Moore (12.9 ppg/6.1 rpg), who previously was at Indiana.

Quote from: Pakuni on April 17, 2022, 09:52:25 AM
Big weekend for Providence.
Also added South Carolina transfer Devin Carter (9.3 ppg/3.8 rpg as a freshman) and LaSalle transfer Clifton Moore (12.9 ppg/6.1 rpg), who previously was at Indiana.

Cooley & Company reaping the rewards of their outstanding season .

@JonRothstein: TCU transfer Francisco Farabello has committed to Creighton, per his Twitter page. Jays add another high IQ, multi positional perimeter player.

https://painttouches.com/2022/04/19/big-east-roster-tracker/

Sorry for the delay in updates. Andrei remained me that Paint Touches still owns all of my creative rights so I moved the tracker there. The link above will take you to the same page.

Lots of updates in the last 10 days. Butler got their Slavic sensation back, Creighton picked up a transfer from TCU, Providence got a trio of capable transfers to commit, Seton Hall lost all their potential COVID seniors to the draft besides Jamir Harris, St. John's added a walking turnover, UConn lost three more reserves to transfer but also picked up a big transfer, Xavier losing a  seldom used back up to the portal. I assume y'all know the Marquette updates

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 19, 2022, 08:51:50 AM
https://painttouches.com/2022/04/19/big-east-roster-tracker/

Sorry for the delay in updates. Andrei remained me that Paint Touches still owns all of my creative rights so I moved the tracker there. The link above will take you to the same page.

Lots of updates in the last 10 days. Butler got their Slavic sensation back, Creighton picked up a transfer from TCU, Providence got a trio of capable transfers to commit, Seton Hall lost all their potential COVID seniors to the draft besides Jamir Harris, St. John's added a walking turnover, UConn lost three more reserves to transfer but also picked up a big transfer, Xavier losing a  seldom used back up to the portal. I assume y'all know the Marquette updates

Is it me, or are Hurley, Holloway, and Matta a bit slow to fill the many vacancies on their respective rosters?

Cooley seems to realize that he needs players to fill his vacancies and has a bunch of incoming frosh as well as a couple of transfers.  Miller hasn't announced any newcomers, but Xavier returns most of the lineup and had two top 100 incoming freshmen who appear to be committed.

I would think there would be more urgency at UConn, Seton Hall and Butler.

Quote from: The Equalizer on April 19, 2022, 09:08:28 AM
Is it me, or are Hurley, Holloway, and Matta a bit slow to fill the many vacancies on their respective rosters?

Cooley seems to realize that he needs players to fill his vacancies and has a bunch of incoming frosh as well as a couple of transfers.  Miller hasn't announced any newcomers, but Xavier returns most of the lineup and had two top 100 incoming freshmen who appear to be committed.

I would think there would be more urgency at UConn, Seton Hall and Butler.

I think the urgency is there for Butler they signed Ali Ali right out of the box. They just got one freshman they went in the portal to come back and they seem to be on all fronts trying to recruit a big. Still working on a decommit to recommit and also new prospects .

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/butler/2022/04/09/butler-basketball-akron-transfer-ali-ali-thad-matta-first-recruit/9525008002/

Quote from: Herman Cain on April 19, 2022, 09:29:41 AM
I think the urgency is there for Butler they signed Ali Ali right out of the box. They just got one freshman they went in the portal to come back and they seem to be on all fronts trying to recruit a big. Still working on a decommit to recommit and also new prospects .

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/college/butler/2022/04/09/butler-basketball-akron-transfer-ali-ali-thad-matta-first-recruit/9525008002/

That speed of that commitment seems more a factor of Akron coach John Groce being a 3-time Matta assistant at Butler, Xavier and Ohio State than any underlying urgency by Matta.

I would think given how depleted those teams are they already have more commitments.

Quote from: shoothoops on April 15, 2022, 12:34:47 PM
Former Butler commit Connor Turnbull is deciding among Butler, SLU, Mizzou, and Iowa.

He is visiting all four schools.

Turnbull has re-committed to Butler. Nice pick up for the Bulldogs.

Quote from: We R Final Four on April 15, 2022, 05:07:42 PM
Did he originally commit to Butler without visiting?

He visited before. But he wanted to visit again with the new staff.

Quote from: shoothoops on April 20, 2022, 12:36:49 PM
He visited before. But he wanted to visit again with the new staff.

Cooley's company shrinks by one. Brycen Goodine in the portal:

https://www.southcoasttoday.com/story/sports/college/basketball/2022/04/20/brycen-goodine-transfers-out-from-providence-college-basketball/7384940001/ (https://www.southcoasttoday.com/story/sports/college/basketball/2022/04/20/brycen-goodine-transfers-out-from-providence-college-basketball/7384940001/)

Seton Hall's Ryan Conway hits the portal.

Sat out as a freshman last year, 247 had him ranked as a 3*, #161 overall.

Quote from: The Equalizer on April 21, 2022, 03:57:46 PM
Seton Hall's Ryan Conway hits the portal.

Sat out as a freshman last year, 247 had him ranked as a 3*, #161 overall.

I think the Baltimore kid might follow Willard to Maryland if Willard will still have him.

https://painttouches.com/2022/04/19/big-east-roster-tracker/

Tracker updated. Most of them were posted here already. Only one that I thing didn't get a mention was UConn landing Nahiem Allenye from Virginia Tech. Guy was a starter for a solid Hokie squad, should play significant minutes for the Huskies.

Quote from: The Equalizer on April 20, 2022, 05:21:05 PM
Cooley's company shrinks by one. Brycen Goodine in the portal:

https://www.southcoasttoday.com/story/sports/college/basketball/2022/04/20/brycen-goodine-transfers-out-from-providence-college-basketball/7384940001/ (https://www.southcoasttoday.com/story/sports/college/basketball/2022/04/20/brycen-goodine-transfers-out-from-providence-college-basketball/7384940001/)

Now increases by one.  Like father like son - Corey Floyd to Providence
https://collegehoopstoday.com/index.php/rothstein-files/uconn-transfer-corey-floyd-jr-commits-to-providence/

Quote from: milwaukee ex-pat on April 24, 2022, 11:14:03 AM
Now increases by one.  Like father like son - Corey Floyd to Providence
https://collegehoopstoday.com/index.php/rothstein-files/uconn-transfer-corey-floyd-jr-commits-to-providence/

Corey, Sr. was originally an MU signee but was not admitted to MU and ended up at a juco before going to the Friars.

Quote from: Nukem2 on April 24, 2022, 12:01:07 PM
Corey, Sr. was originally an MU signee but was not admitted to MU and ended up at a juco before going to the Friars.

I believe this is the first intra-conference transfer since the Big East changed their rules on the subject.

Former top-30 Xavier recruit Tyrell Ward down to LSU, Georgetown and Virginia Tech - announcing the decision on Saturday.

https://mobile.twitter.com/TiptonEdits/status/1518350766364372992 (https://mobile.twitter.com/TiptonEdits/status/1518350766364372992)

Bryce Hopkins to Providence.  Got a sniff from MU when he entered the portal.
https://mobile.twitter.com/TiptonEdits/status/1518350766364372992 (https://mobile.twitter.com/TiptonEdits/status/1518350766364372992)

And the Friar's R/S frosh Legend Geeter to the portal.  Clearing space?

Quote from: The Equalizer on April 25, 2022, 11:30:45 AM
Bryce Hopkins to Providence.  Got a sniff from MU when he entered the portal.
https://mobile.twitter.com/TiptonEdits/status/1518350766364372992 (https://mobile.twitter.com/TiptonEdits/status/1518350766364372992)

And the Friar's R/S frosh Legend Geeter to the portal.  Clearing space?

Geeter outta here!

Quote from: lawdog77 on April 25, 2022, 12:24:34 PM
Geeter outta here!

Only a legend at Providence

Fwiw DePaul board seems to think Davi Jones following Curbelo to St. Johns.

Cam Whitmore staying committed to Nova.

https://painttouches.com/2022/04/19/big-east-roster-tracker/

Another round of updates made. Butler landed their potential starting C. Providence added two transfers and lost another. And Georgetown saw their most promising piece left (besides newcomer Brandon Murray) on the board enter the portal.

https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1520045648250351618?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Brian Antoine in the portal.  Be interesting to see what kind of attention he gets considering his injury history.

Quote from: Its DJOver on April 29, 2022, 10:29:00 AM
https://twitter.com/John_Fanta/status/1520045648250351618?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

Brian Antoine in the portal.  Be interesting to see what kind of attention he gets considering his injury history.

Bad sign for the type of culture being built by Neptune

Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 29, 2022, 10:36:17 AM

Bad sign for the type of culture being built by Neptune

The report says it has been in discussion for weeks. So prior to Jay's decision. How is that a sign of the culture being built by Neptune? I guess he could have something or more to keep him but wanting to walk out on Jay Wright then doing so on Neptune sounds more like a kid unhappy with VU, not specifically Neptune.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 29, 2022, 11:38:46 AM
The report says it has been in discussion for weeks. So prior to Jay's decision. How is that a sign of the culture being built by Neptune? I guess he could have something or more to keep him but wanting to walk out on Jay Wright then doing so on Neptune sounds more like a kid unhappy with VU, not specifically Neptune.

I guess we'll see but this is a terrible start for the Neptune era.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 29, 2022, 11:46:37 AM
I guess we'll see but this is a terrible start for the Neptune era.

Not really as all of Wright's recruits are on board.  Antoine has had a lot of injuries and probably needs a new start.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 29, 2022, 10:36:17 AM

Bad sign for the type of culture being built by Neptune

The toughest thing on Scoop remains readers recognizing when Uncle Rico is posting in teal (hint: it's pretty much always).

Quote from: brewcity77 on April 29, 2022, 12:29:39 PM
The toughest thing on Scoop remains readers recognizing when Uncle Rico is posting in teal (hint: it's pretty much always).

Uncle Rico needs the same disclosure in his signature that I do

Fredrick King to Creighton is a strong steal for them. They needed a big behind Ryan K.

Quote from: jfp61 on April 29, 2022, 01:29:20 PM
Fredrick King to Creighton is a strong steal for them. They needed a big behind Ryan K.

Mr King has a lot of upside. Relatively new to the game . Went to NBA Latin America Academy

Seton Hall picks up a nice pair

https://mobile.twitter.com/TiptonEdits/status/1520103130305908740

@JonRothstein
Kyle Neptune tells me that Villanova's Caleb Daniels plans to return next season and use his additional year of eligibility.
Averaged 10.3 PPG last season.

nova has kept all of their recruits and returning players aside from bryan antoine. kind of amazing

David Jones pulls the in-conference transfer from DePaul to St. John's.

Quote from: brewcity77 on May 02, 2022, 10:12:00 AM
David Jones pulls the in-conference transfer from DePaul to St. John's.

He used DePaul as a Steppin Stone....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_N9Lkpt6SrY

Quote from: Johnny B on May 02, 2022, 10:05:20 AM
nova has kept all of their recruits and returning players aside from bryan antoine. kind of amazing

Though, Neptune coached the returning players in his previous stint at Nova and probably was in on the original recruiting of the incoming guys.  Lots of familiarity.

@JonRothstein
UTEP transfer Souley Boum tells me that he has committed to Xavier.
Averaged 19.8 PPG last season.

Quote from: Herman Cain on May 02, 2022, 10:17:59 AM
He used DePaul as a Steppin Stone....

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_N9Lkpt6SrY

Write your own jokes, Mencia.

https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=63190.msg1443719#msg1443719

Quote from: Herman Cain on April 29, 2022, 03:06:56 PM
Mr King has a lot of upside. Relatively new to the game . Went to NBA Latin America Academy

If Creighton lands South Dakota State transfer and Nebraska native Baylor Scheierman (they're in his final five) they'll be loaded next year. He's a significantly upgrade from O'Connell. The conference keeps getting stronger.

@JonRothstein
South Dakota State transfer Baylor Scheierman has committed to Creighton, per his Twitter page.
The buzz is officially palpable in Omaha.

Huge get for Creighton.  We really need to get to work.

Pencil Creighton in as Big East favorites and national title contenders. Expect big jumps from Kaluma and Alexander, and Scheiermann gives them the offensive punch they were missing. If their defense holds up, they are at worst a top-5 team.

Quote from: MuggsyB on May 03, 2022, 09:20:03 AM
  We really need to get to work.

Nowhere to put any transfers if Justin returns.   Not many better.   If he stays in the draft, or they know he is staying in the draft, look for a transfer in.

Quote from: brewcity77 on May 03, 2022, 09:25:19 AM
Pencil Creighton in as Big East favorites and national title contenders. Expect big jumps from Kaluma and Alexander, and Scheiermann gives them the offensive punch they were missing. If their defense holds up, they are at worst a top-5 team.

Totally agree, and they still might add Walton.

Seton Hall and DePaul made the final 6 list for Memphis transfer and former #1 recruit in the country Emoni Bates, no announcement date yet. Other 4 finalists Michigan, Louisville, Arkansas and Eastern Michigan. EMU is the hometown school and Michigan allegedly isn't even recruiting him despite being on his list.

Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on May 03, 2022, 01:35:15 PM
Seton Hall and DePaul made the final 6 list for Memphis transfer and former #1 recruit in the country Emoni Bates, no announcement date yet. Other 4 finalists Michigan, Louisville, Arkansas and Eastern Michigan. EMU is the hometown school and Michigan allegedly isn't even recruiting him despite being on his list.

Sounds like DePaul and Louisville are the favorites.

Quote from: brewcity77 on May 03, 2022, 01:38:38 PM
Sounds like DePaul and Louisville are the favorites.

Big if true. I trust your sources just curious where you heard this?

Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on May 03, 2022, 02:33:27 PM
Big if true. I trust your sources just curious where you heard this?

Mostly internet scuttlebutt, nothing close to the family or anything along that line. Like you said, Michigan isn't even recruiting him, EMU seems incredibly unlikely, and I'm not sure Arkansas even has space with everyone they've already taken in.

Creighton is an enormous problem for us next year.  They appear to have a F4 roster.  It's imperative we get back to the promised land.....and in a hurry.

Quote from: brewcity77 on May 03, 2022, 02:49:33 PM
Mostly internet scuttlebutt, nothing close to the family or anything along that line. Like you said, Michigan isn't even recruiting him, EMU seems incredibly unlikely, and I'm not sure Arkansas even has space with everyone they've already taken in.

Looks like a Duke insider who only makes predictions if he seems to know something put in a crystal ball for Louisville

Quote from: Otule's Glass Eye on May 03, 2022, 03:35:08 PM
Looks like a Duke insider who only makes predictions if he seems to know something put in a crystal ball for Louisville

Lock it up.  The crystal ball is always right

Guys from podunk cow towns are not game changing talent. It doesn't get much more podunk than where Scheiermann is from.

Quote from: MuggsyB on May 03, 2022, 03:31:37 PM
Creighton is an enormous problem for us next year.  They appear to have a F4 roster.  It's imperative we get back to the promised land.....and in a hurry.

Define 'promised land. '    And why is it suddenly time sensitive?

Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on May 03, 2022, 03:39:37 PM
Guys from podunk cow towns are not game changing talent. It doesn't get much more podunk than where Scheiermann is from.

Well, the guy from podunk town was ranked as the fourth best transfer by ESPN, so while he might not be a game changer, he's pretty good.  And Creighton was already top 10 without him; they now have FF potential.

Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on May 03, 2022, 03:39:37 PM
Guys from podunk cow towns are not game changing talent. It doesn't get much more podunk than where Scheiermann is from.

I agree with this analysis

Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on May 03, 2022, 03:39:37 PM
Guys from podunk cow towns are not game changing talent. It doesn't get much more podunk than where Scheiermann is from.

French Lick, IN, is a little more podunk than Aurora, NE. Fewer cows too.

Quote from: tower912 on May 03, 2022, 03:46:42 PM
Define 'promised land. '    And why is it suddenly time sensitive?

The world is not in good shape Tower.  It's time to get back on track quickly and with a sense of urgency.  We should not be looking up at Creighton.  Ever.

The "promised land" is a threat to make a serious NCAA tournament run and a top 4 seed consistently.  Similar to the Buzz era.

Quote from: MuggsyB on May 03, 2022, 05:10:11 PM
The world is not in good shape Tower.  It's time to get back on track quickly and with a sense of urgency.  We should not be looking up at Creighton.  Ever.

The "promised land" is a threat to make a serious NCAA tournament run and a top 4 seed consistently.  Similar to the Buzz era.

Marquette has been a 3-seed 3 times this century and twice during the Buzz years

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on May 03, 2022, 04:27:41 PM
French Lick, IN, is a little more podunk than Aurora, NE. Fewer cows too.

You found one from 50 years ago. Good job!

Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 03, 2022, 05:15:52 PM
Marquette has been a 3-seed 3 times this century and twice during the Buzz years

Exactly.  We need to flip this switch Uncle R.

https://painttouches.com/2022/04/19/big-east-roster-tracker/

Another round of updates. Lots of transfers at Georgetown (incoming ones this time), Hall trades three benchwarmers for a pair of brothers, Creighton and X pick up mid-major studs, and St. John's commits Big East on Big East crime.

Quote from: MuggsyB on May 03, 2022, 03:31:37 PM
Creighton is an enormous problem for us next year.  They appear to have a F4 roster.  It's imperative we get back to the promised land.....and in a hurry.

Creighton has been an enormous problem for us for a while. Many consider them a mid major, so that shows where we are.

Quote from: willie warrior on May 04, 2022, 05:03:25 AM
Creighton has been an enormous problem for us for a while. Many consider them a mid major, so that shows where we are.

Thanks, Wooly

Nobody considers Creighton a mid major.

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on May 03, 2022, 10:43:44 PM
https://painttouches.com/2022/04/19/big-east-roster-tracker/

Another round of updates. Lots of transfers at Georgetown (incoming ones this time), Hall trades three benchwarmers for a pair of brothers, Creighton and X pick up mid-major studs, and St. John's commits Big East on Big East crime.

I think the Jalen Thomas pick up for  Butler is a good one. He will be an improvement over Bryce Golden who transferred out .

https://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/big-east-basketball/2022/4/29/23045679/jalen-thomas-butler-bulldogs-transfer-georgia-state

Quote from: Herman Cain on May 04, 2022, 08:46:50 AM
I think the Jalen Thomas pick up for  Butler is a good one. He will be an improvement over Bryce Golden who transferred out .

https://www.bigeastcoastbias.com/big-east-basketball/2022/4/29/23045679/jalen-thomas-butler-bulldogs-transfer-georgia-state

I hope he doesn't do better against us than Bryce Golden did in the first game last season.

Quote from: tower912 on May 04, 2022, 06:32:55 AM
Nobody considers Creighton a mid major.

LOL! Right? Okay, maybe Creighton was a mid major 20 years ago as was Gonzaga and Baylor. Maybe we missed the teal?  Contender in a top 4 conference, serious national title contender a couple of years ago, top 10 attendance..... yep mid major.  ::)

If Creighton is mid major, what does that make MU, Illinois, Texas, Maryland, USC...?

Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 04, 2022, 09:03:22 AM
LOL! Right? Okay, maybe Creighton was a mid major 20 years ago as was Gonzaga and Baylor. Maybe we missed the teal?  Contender in a top 4 conference, serious national title contender a couple of years ago, top 10 attendance..... yep mid major.  ::)

If Creighton is mid major, what does that make MU, Illinois, Texas, Maryland, USC...?

Wally thinks it's 1977 still

Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 04, 2022, 05:41:38 AM
Thanks, Wooly

You are welcome Chico

Quote from: willie warrior on May 04, 2022, 05:03:25 AM
Creighton has been an enormous problem for us for a while. Many consider them a mid major, so that shows where we are.

Have you offered NIL burgers to the recruits yet?

Quote from: TSmith34 on May 04, 2022, 11:34:51 AM
Have you offered NIL burgers to the recruits yet?

Hmm maybe McDonald's can be a sponsor for MU with McNil Burgers ......

Quote from: Daniel on May 04, 2022, 12:24:58 PM
Hmm maybe McDonald's can be a sponsor for MU with McNil Burgers ......

Poor Jerel missed out on a gold mine.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 04, 2022, 09:03:22 AM
LOL! Right? Okay, maybe Creighton was a mid major 20 years ago as was Gonzaga and Baylor. Maybe we missed the teal?  Contender in a top 4 conference, serious national title contender a couple of years ago, top 10 attendance..... yep mid major.  ::)

If Creighton is mid major, what does that make MU, Illinois, Texas, Maryland, USC...?

I think if you polled the fans at those five schools (MU, Illinois, Texas, Maryland and USC) only the MU fans would think Creighton isn't a mid-major. 

Then again, the fans of the other four programs would wonder why a mid-major like MU was on the list to be polled along side Illinois, Texas, Maryland, and USC.

Quote from: willie warrior on May 04, 2022, 05:03:25 AM
Creighton has been an enormous problem for us for a while. Many consider them a mid major, so that shows where we are.

The Jays have made four appearances in the BE Tournament Championship game since the formation of the NBE (2013), second only to Villanova. They were in a strong position to make it in 2020 as well as the regular season champ and 1 seed. Sure, they're 0-4 in those games but considering four teams haven't even made a final (MU, DePaul, SJU, and Butler) that shows how strong they have been in a top 6 conference.

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on May 04, 2022, 02:23:00 PM
The Jays have made four appearances in the BE Tournament Championship game since the formation of the NBE (2013), second only to Villanova. They were in a strong position to make it in 2020 as well as the regular season champ and 1 seed. Sure, they're 0-4 in those games but considering four teams haven't even made a final (MU, DePaul, SJU, and Butler) that shows how strong they have been in a top 6 conference.

Can Marquette be "The Next Creighton?"

Continuity of very good coaching has helped Creighton immensely.  Hopefully Shaka brings that continuity with better results than Creighton. 

Quote from: tower912 on May 04, 2022, 06:32:55 AM
Nobody considers Creighton a mid major.

Lots of comments here said that when new BRast was formed
Must have enough lots of nobodies then.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 04, 2022, 09:03:22 AM
LOL! Right? Okay, maybe Creighton was a mid major 20 years ago as was Gonzaga and Baylor. Maybe we missed the teal?  Contender in a top 4 conference, serious national title contender a couple of years ago, top 10 attendance..... yep mid major.  ::)

Look back at posts from when new BRast was being formed.
If Creighton is mid major, what does that make MU, Illinois, Texas, Maryland, USC...?

Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 04, 2022, 09:45:26 AM

Wally thinks it's 1977 still

And Pico still lives in the depression. With all those white farmers from New Glarus that he disdains.

Quote from: willie warrior on May 04, 2022, 04:29:53 PM
Lots of comments here said that when new BRast was formed
Must have enough lots of nobodies then.

Creighton was a mid-major before they joined the Big East. They became a high major when they joined the Big East.

Equalizer isn't wrong though that many fans from the B1G, SEC, ACC, B12, and P12 would say that all teams in the Big East are mid-majors.

Quote from: The Equalizer on May 04, 2022, 02:22:00 PM

I think if you polled the fans at those five schools (MU, Illinois, Texas, Maryland and USC) only the MU fans would think Creighton isn't a mid-major. 

Then again, the fans of the other four programs would wonder why a mid-major like MU was on the list to be polled along side Illinois, Texas, Maryland, and USC.

Maybe your right. I don't get it though. I've never met anyone (Big 10, 12, ACC, SEC PAC12 fans) who thought of any BE school as mid major. Most think DePaul is awful but not really any different than a Vandy or Wash St or Pitt. Even ESPN (from my limited viewership) doesn't paint the BE teams as mid major.

Also, I don't include internet fan boards as a point of reference since I have seen the Big XII, PAC12 and ACC excluded from 'major college football' conferences and claims the world is flat. 

I have seen the BE excluded sometime from a P5 list for basketball, but I assume it is lazy use of the football lingo.

Quote from: willie warrior on May 04, 2022, 04:29:53 PM
Lots of comments here said that when new BRast was formed
Must have enough lots of nobodies then.

Even if that isn't #fakenews, here we are a decade later and nobody in 2022 thinks Creighton is a mid major.

Quote from: willie warrior on May 04, 2022, 04:33:23 PM
And Pico still lives in the depression. With all those white farmers from New Glarus that he disdains.

No, I very much live in 2022 and am thriving in the big city.  No cowtowns or hillbilly living for me. 

Would be as crazy as thinking Arby's is a mid-major dining establishment.

Quote from: MU82 on May 04, 2022, 04:53:58 PM
Would be as crazy as thinking Arby's is a mid-major dining establishment.

You got it, fine dining all the way.

Quote from: The Equalizer on May 04, 2022, 03:21:44 PM
Can Marquette be "The Next Creighton?"

Scoop being scoop and pre-teal aside...

My father got my mindset right for HS golf when after doubting myself and comparing myself to the top two kids on my team all the time...he said, "FORGET about everyone else, focus on YOU alone and do that RIGHT NOW."  From then on, i focused solely on my game and each shot at hand. Shaka is a master at this. Let's focus on Marquette and how WE can be great.

Quote from: GoFastAndWin on May 04, 2022, 10:09:13 PM
Scoop being scoop and pre-teal aside...

My father got my mindset right for HS golf when after doubting myself and comparing myself to the top two kids on my team all the time...he said, "FORGET about everyone else, focus on YOU alone and do that RIGHT NOW."  From then on, i focused solely on my game and each shot at hand. Shaka is a master at this. Let's focus on Marquette and how WE can be great.

I agree that the coach and players need to worry about themselves and about getting better.

What fans talk about on interwebs sites doesn't affect the team. We can focus on whatever we want, including Arby's fiery Diablo Dare Sandwich.

Quote from: MU82 on May 04, 2022, 10:12:14 PM
I agree that the coach and players need to worry about themselves and about getting better.

What fans talk about on interwebs sites doesn't affect the team. We can focus on whatever we want, including Arby's fiery Diablo Dare Sandwich.

😂 Of course. Are they still offering my go-to summer lunch fare, the chicken salad with apple chunks? Their Gyros is pretty solid as well.

I just think we get bogged down in comparisons many times.

As "Our Kev" once so succinctly told a young recruit from St Joseph HS..."don't try to be the next Isaiah or the next whoever, just be the first William Gates." 

Quote from: GoFastAndWin on May 04, 2022, 10:32:36 PM
Are they still offering my go-to summer lunch fare, the chicken salad with apple chunks?

Forgive me, Father, for I have sinned. I haven't been to an Arby's in at least 25 years.

Quote from: tower912 on May 04, 2022, 04:39:32 PM
Even if that isn't #fakenews, here we are a decade later and nobody in 2022 thinks Creighton is a mid major.

I never said they were and I don't believe they are. But a batch said they were a few years ago. Point is, they are now better than MU which makes it even more important for Shaka to improve the program immediately. Very sure that Creighton would not have had their ass kicked by 32 in the dance by NC. Lets hope that MU can return to national prominence instead of flaming out in one game of the dance that they make every 4 to 5 years or so.

Quote from: willie warrior on May 05, 2022, 04:46:40 AM
I never said they were and I don't believe they are. But a batch said they were a few years ago. Point is, they are now better than MU which makes it even more important for Shaka to improve the program immediately. Very sure that Creighton would not have had their ass kicked by 32 in the dance by NC. Lets hope that MU can return to national prominence instead of flaming out in one game of the dance that they make every 4 to 5 years or so.

Good morning,
Didn't have your burger?

Quote from: willie warrior on May 05, 2022, 04:46:40 AM
I never said they were and I don't believe they are. But a batch said they were a few years ago. Point is, they are now better than MU which makes it even more important for Shaka to improve the program immediately. Very sure that Creighton would not have had their ass kicked by 32 in the dance by NC. Lets hope that MU can return to national prominence instead of flaming out in one game of the dance that they make every 4 to 5 years or so.

Willie...this is so dumb it's hard to comprehend. First...this "batch" that said they were mid-major...who was it, when did they say it? Was it more than a decade ago, before they joined the Big East? Because if it's before that, it's completely irrelevant.

Next, Marquette makes the dance every 4-5 years? 2021 is our only miss in the past four years. 2020 didn't happen, but we absolutely would've been in the field if it had. Before that, we did have a 3-year gap in 2014, 2015, and 2016, but before that we had been to 8 straight and that was our only 3-year gap this century.

Good lord, man, get a grip on reality.

Quote from: willie warrior on May 05, 2022, 04:46:40 AM
I never said they were and I don't believe they are. But a batch said they were a few years ago. Point is, they are now better than MU which makes it even more important for Shaka to improve the program immediately. Very sure that Creighton would not have had their ass kicked by 32 in the dance by NC. Lets hope that MU can return to national prominence instead of flaming out in one game of the dance that they make every 4 to 5 years or so.

I have to agree with Wanky.  Creighton is a mid-major and it's an indictment on Kansas amongst others Creighton will begin the 2022-23 campaign ranked ahead of them. 

Back in 1971, no one had ever heard of Creighton and now in 2022-23, they have a better basketball team than Marquette.  Shaka needs to do what Marquette has always done and that's get high-level 4 and 5 stars to come to Marquette and make the Sweet 16 or bust every year.

Some of you stood by while Tanned Tom and the Lonesome Cowboy and Wojo-Dukiet ran this program into the ground but I'm with Winky, it's time to restore Warrior pride

Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 05, 2022, 09:22:19 AM
I have to agree with Wanky.  Creighton is a mid-major and it's an indictment on Kansas amongst others Creighton will begin the 2022-23 campaign ranked ahead of them. 

Back in 1971, no one had ever heard of Creighton and now in 2022-23, they have a better basketball team than Marquette.  Shaka needs to do what Marquette has always done and that's get high-level 4 and 5 stars to come to Marquette and make the Sweet 16 or bust every year.

Some of you stood by while Tanned Tom and the Lonesome Cowboy and Wojo-Dukiet ran this program into the ground but I'm with Winky, it's time to restore Warrior pride

This is what I remember about Creighton when I was younger.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-07-25-sp-391-story.html (https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-07-25-sp-391-story.html)

define mid-major.  Creighton is competitive in a major multi bid conference.  Going back to 1971 for a memory is insane.  I was 20 in '71 comparing me then to me now also makes no sense.  Going back to when MU had a hot decade as the norm for the program is also un realistic.  I graduated MU in '78, those were great days but mnot normative

Sports Illustrated has high expectations for Creighton in 2022-23

https://www.si.com/.amp/college/2022/05/03/baylor-scheierman-commits-creighton-transfer

Big man Manny Bates from NC State to Butler.  Butler has now reconfigured its entire front court with Ali Ali, Jaylen Thomas, and Bates.

Numerous BE teams have stepped it up in the transfer portal, Providence, Xavier, Butler, St. Johns, even Seton Hall.

MU has one transfer, who played at the NAIA level of competition and a player from New Zealand who nobody really knows a lot about except for Youtube clips.  Here's hoping Jones and Ross are extremely under rated in their class recruiting rankings and can contribute right away.  Justin Lewis situation should be resolved by 6/1/22, and another hope is that he stays or Shaka has promised a transfer portal candidate Lewis's spot if he leaves. 

Quote from: lawdog77 on May 05, 2022, 10:10:00 AM
This is what I remember about Creighton when I was younger.
https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-07-25-sp-391-story.html (https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1989-07-25-sp-391-story.html)

I was always fond of the Benoit Benjamin BlueJays.  Ben Walker era, too.

Quote from: nyg on May 05, 2022, 10:50:02 AM
Big man Manny Bates from NC State to Butler.  Butler has now reconfigured its entire front court with Ali Ali, Jaylen Thomas, and Bates.

Numerous BE teams have stepped it up in the transfer portal, Providence, Xavier, Butler, St. Johns, even Seton Hall.

MU has one transfer, who played at the NAIA level of competition and a player from New Zealand who nobody really knows a lot about except for Youtube clips.  Here's hoping Jones and Ross are extremely under rated in their class recruiting rankings and can contribute right away.  Justin Lewis situation should be resolved by 6/1/22, and another hope is that he stays or Shaka has promised a transfer portal candidate Lewis's spot if he leaves.

Transfers Matta.......

Quote from: Herman Cain on May 05, 2022, 11:33:45 AM
Transfers Matta.......
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I am still waiting for the big man transfer some posters on MUScoop promised.

Quote from: Herman Cain on May 05, 2022, 10:40:40 AM
Sports Illustrated has high expectations for Creighton in 2022-23

https://www.si.com/.amp/college/2022/05/03/baylor-scheierman-commits-creighton-transfer

Yep, a mid major for sure.  ::)

I thinks anyone who has called Creighton mid major is trying to get a get a rise out of people. I'd guess a 20 second internet search could find someone labeling Duke as a mid major. Probably the same people who think Alabama could win the NFC.

Quote from: bilsu on May 05, 2022, 03:53:10 PM
I am still waiting for the big man transfer some posters on MUScoop promised.

Being?

https://www.hammerandrails.com/2022/5/6/23060449/report-eric-hunter-jr-to-butler

One year stop gap for a rebuilding program, Matta sure could have done worse.

Quote from: Its DJOver on May 06, 2022, 02:37:50 PM
https://www.hammerandrails.com/2022/5/6/23060449/report-eric-hunter-jr-to-butler

One year stop gap for a rebuilding program, Matta sure could have done worse.

Transfers Matta .....

Butler will 4 experienced transfers in. Similar to Year 1 Shaka strategy

Quote from: Hards_Alumni on May 05, 2022, 04:01:08 PM
Being?

There was no specific player mentioned as it was before the portal opened up. Many posters said Shaka would get one. I argued that there would be huge demand for any good big man and one would be hard to get. They believe or wanted to believe it was a done deal for a good big man.

Quote from: bilsu on May 07, 2022, 09:39:20 AM
There was no specific player mentioned as it was before the portal opened up. Many posters said Shaka would get one. I argued that there would be huge demand for any good big man and one would be hard to get. They believe or wanted to believe it was a done deal for a good big man.

1. Justin Lewis.
Gap
2. Efe Abogidi
Gap
3. Maybe Mouhamed gueye or leave a vacant scholarship

They won't really know which path it will be until after the combine. That ends May 22nd. They still want a 3-4 man 2023 HS class. So they really couldnt offer younger bigs. Part of the reason i believe Wrightsil was a clear priority. The frontcourt SR's were either worse than him or not really were great fits for this team. Also the players this year in the portal are just worse than last years.

Quote from: jfp61 on May 07, 2022, 11:05:37 AM
1. Justin Lewis.
Gap
2. Efe Abogidi
Gap
3. Maybe Mouhamed gueye or leave a vacant scholarship

They won't really know which path it will be until after the combine. That ends May 22nd. They still want a 3-4 man 2023 HS class. So they really couldnt offer younger bigs. Part of the reason i believe Wrightsil was a clear priority. The frontcourt SR's were either worse than him or not really were great fits for this team. Also the players this year in the portal are just worse than last years.

Justin Lewis staying would be nice, but he is not an incoming portal big man.

Quote from: The Equalizer on May 04, 2022, 03:21:44 PM
Can Marquette be "The Next Creighton?"

You cannot get Final Fours and Championships taken away...unless you're Rick Pitino...so no Marquette thankfully cannot be the next Creighton.

A bit premature, let's wait for Value Add or Kenpom to crown them champs first.

Quote from: Herman Cain on May 05, 2022, 10:40:40 AM
Sports Illustrated has high expectations for Creighton in 2022-23

https://www.si.com/.amp/college/2022/05/03/baylor-scheierman-commits-creighton-transfer

Not sure if this has been reported.

https://nypost.com/2022/05/08/st-johns-lands-surprising-commitment-from-mohamed-keita/

Quote from: PointWarrior on May 07, 2022, 06:13:59 PM
A bit premature, let's wait for Value Add or Kenpom to crown them champs first.

I too am eagerly awaiting for Ken Pom to tell me what to think about next year's team.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on May 08, 2022, 05:03:57 PM
Not sure if this has been reported.

https://nypost.com/2022/05/08/st-johns-lands-surprising-commitment-from-mohamed-keita/

Sounds like an interesting prospect for The Johnnies.

That article also points out a couple of seasoned transfers that The Hall picked up.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on May 08, 2022, 05:03:57 PM
Not sure if this has been reported.

https://nypost.com/2022/05/08/st-johns-lands-surprising-commitment-from-mohamed-keita/

Sounds like an excellent redshirt candidate with a ton of potential.

Could be Embid, could be Ooze, could be Mbao. Who knows. Worth a shot with the last scholarship

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on May 08, 2022, 08:50:33 PM
Sounds like an excellent redshirt candidate with a ton of potential.

Could be Embid, could be Ooze, could be Mbao. Who knows. Worth a shot with the last scholarship

They could make the NIT next year

https://painttouches.com/2022/04/19/big-east-roster-tracker/

Another update. Butler with a pair of defensive minded impact transfers. A few depth additions for Georgetown, UConn, and Seton Hall. St. John's lands their version of Ben Gold.

https://painttouches.com/2022/04/19/big-east-roster-tracker/

Rosters are starting to get set but Seton Hall, DePaul, and Georgetown hit the portal late to try to keep themselves out of the cellar.

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on May 24, 2022, 10:53:25 PM
https://painttouches.com/2022/04/19/big-east-roster-tracker/

Rosters are starting to get set but Seton Hall, DePaul, and Georgetown hit the portal late to try to keep themselves out of the cellar.

You still have Yetna for SHU on the outgoing list.

Hes coming back.

Does Wahab need to sit out a year with his transfer back to G'town? I'm assuming he used his 'free' transfer to leave G'town to go to Maryland so may have to sit this year. Anyone?

Quote from: mug644 on May 25, 2022, 07:27:42 AM
Does Wahab need to sit out a year with his transfer back to G'town? I'm assuming he used his 'free' transfer to leave G'town to go to Maryland so may have to sit this year. Anyone?

Maybe coaching change at Maryland allows to play?

Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on May 25, 2022, 12:12:07 AM
You still have Yetna for SHU on the outgoing list.

Hes coming back.

Appreciate the tip. I'll fix it on the next update.

As expected Scheirerman withdraws from draft and is going to Creighton

https://therookiewire.usatoday.com/2022/05/25/baylor-scheierman-nba-draft-creighton/

Nice pickup for DePaul. He'll be a top target on the transfer market in 2024.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/depaul-basketball-recruiting-four-star-pf-tafara-gapare-commits-to-blue-demons-on-cbs-sports-hq/

Ranked the No. 46 overall player in the class by 247Sports, Gapare should be a force for the Blue Demons whenever he ultimately suits up.

Very Detailed article on Big East incoming transfers . The league got some excellent prospects on paper.

https://247sports.com/college/marquette/LongFormArticle/College-basketball-transfer-portal-Examining-each-new-Big-East-players-potential-role-189022844/#189022844_1

Designated fouler leaving Creighton.

John Fanta @John_Fanta
News: Rati Andronikashvili has informed the Creighton coaching staff that he will not be returning to the Bluejay program. Andronikashvili has indicated that he intends to pursue professional opportunities in Europe. He played in 33 games this past season (1.8 PPG, 1.1 APG).

AKA - Marquette deflator.

Quote from: Pakuni on August 16, 2022, 12:14:30 PM
Designated fouler leaving Creighton.

John Fanta @John_Fanta
News: Rati Andronikashvili has informed the Creighton coaching staff that he will not be returning to the Bluejay program. Andronikashvili has indicated that he intends to pursue professional opportunities in Europe. He played in 33 games this past season (1.8 PPG, 1.1 APG).

Crieghton got better today

Andro was a good defender who was getting minutes before Nembhard went down. He would've been a useful bench piece. They definitely didn't get better in losing him.

Quote from: brewcity77 on August 16, 2022, 01:36:44 PM
Andro was a good defender who was getting minutes before Nembhard went down. He would've been a useful bench piece. They definitely didn't get better in losing him.

Classic try hard defender. Looks good effort wise, but often out of position.

Putting it kindly, he's a mediocre at best player.

As much as Rati made Crieghtons defense better, he made their offense two times worse.

The only players with comparable impacts to him are guys who only play in blowouts.

What does KenPom say?

Quote from: panda on August 16, 2022, 01:39:58 PM
Classic try hard defender. Looks good effort wise, but often out of position.

Putting it kindly, he's a mediocre at best player.

He knows his role and doesn't overextend. Rarely uses the ball on offense. He's perfectly fine for a third PG option, which is what he was going to be. Losing him doesn't hurt their ceiling, but it does lower their floor.

Quote from: brewcity77 on August 16, 2022, 02:16:44 PM
He knows his role and doesn't overextend. Rarely uses the ball on offense. He's perfectly fine for a third PG option, which is what he was going to be. Losing him doesn't hurt their ceiling, but it does lower their floor.

Sounds like a guy that Creighton won't miss and will easily be able to replace with a higher level of talent.

Quote from: panda on August 16, 2022, 02:45:40 PM
Sounds like a guy that Creighton won't miss and will easily be able to replace with a higher level of talent.

Tell me, who are they going to replace him with in mid-August?  ;D

Quote from: brewcity77 on August 16, 2022, 03:01:31 PM
Tell me, who are they going to replace him with in mid-August?  ;D

He's a sophomore. Him leaving gives them much more roster flexibility instead of carrying a non contributor for three or four years.

Quote from: panda on August 16, 2022, 03:07:28 PM
He's a sophomore. Him leaving gives them much more roster flexibility instead of carrying a non contributor for three or four years.

No, it really doesn't. At this point of the summer that's just a silly argument. It gives them a thinner roster with fewer options. If he announces this in April or May, then sure, it could be a benefit. But August? No, that's not helpful.

Quote from: brewcity77 on August 16, 2022, 03:21:06 PM
No, it really doesn't. At this point of the summer that's just a silly argument. It gives them a thinner roster with fewer options. If he announces this in April or May, then sure, it could be a benefit. But August? No, that's not helpful.

When you remove a player who doesn't make as large of an impact as other players on the team, it allows for the players who leaves minutes to got to the rest of the team.

Not having to play Rati 12-13 minutes per game makes Creighton a better basketball team this year.

Quote from: jfp61 on August 16, 2022, 03:30:39 PM
When you remove a player who doesn't make as large of an impact as other players on the team, it allows for the players who leaves minutes to got to the rest of the team.

Not having to play Rati 12-13 minutes per game makes Creighton a better basketball team this year.

Not if this results in a player worse than him getting more minutes. Or if the other players' efficiency reduces by having to play more minutes.

Quote from: jfp61 on August 16, 2022, 03:30:39 PM
When you remove a player who doesn't make as large of an impact as other players on the team, it allows for the players who leaves minutes to got to the rest of the team.

Not having to play Rati 12-13 minutes per game makes Creighton a better basketball team this year.

That doesn't make any sense. If that were the case, why wouldn't McDermott just play someone else instead of him? A coach doesn't HAVE to play anyone. 

Quote from: cheebs09 on August 16, 2022, 03:38:13 PM
Not if this results in a player worse than him getting more minutes. Or if the other players' efficiency reduces by having to play more minutes.

Gotta love Scoop in mid-August.  ;D

Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on August 16, 2022, 03:39:04 PM

That doesn't make any sense. If that were the case, why wouldn't McDermott just play someone else instead of him? A coach doesn't HAVE to play anyone.

My guess is if he is leaving in august. He told him that.

Also assuming coaches coach the on the court product optimally is hilarious. If they did, a lot more team would be 7 and 8 man rotations.

Quote from: cheebs09 on August 16, 2022, 03:38:13 PM
Not if this results in a player worse than him getting more minutes. Or if the other players' efficiency reduces by having to play more minutes.

Among all high major players with 30% of minutes last year, (including the American for some reason), Rati had the second worst offensive rating in all of college basketball with a rating of 65.4.

He shot 21.7% from two, and 20.7% from three. He had a 29.2% turnover rate.

Please tell me how losing Rati does not help Creighton.

Quote from: jfp61 on August 16, 2022, 04:01:46 PM
My guess is if he is leaving in august. He told him that.

Now you are just making a circular argument considering you just said that McD would have to play him 12-13 per game. And it proves brew's point. Now if there are injuries, there will be less options available. The only way this helps Creighton is that it frees up scholarship for future years - it can only hurt them THIS year unless he is a bad locker room guy.

Quote from: jfp61 on August 16, 2022, 04:01:46 PM
Also assuming coaches coach the on the court product optimally is hilarious. If they did, a lot more team would be 7 and 8 man rotations.

Not as hilarious as message board guys thinking they know more than a D1 head coach how to coach basketball.

Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on August 16, 2022, 04:11:08 PM
Now you are just making a circular argument considering you just said that McD would have to play him 12-13 per game. And it proves brew's point. Now if there are injuries, there will be less options available. The only way this helps Creighton is that it frees up scholarship for future years - it can only hurt them THIS year unless he is a bad locker room guy.


Not as hilarious as message board guys thinking they know more than a D1 head coach how to coach basketball.

He played him 12-13 mpg last year. They added Baylor Scheierman and Francisco Farabello. Rati was likely asked to leave/ or told he wouldn't get many minutes so he left. This will make Creighton a better team on the court next year because he is bad at basketball relative to his teammates. If Creighton as 5 guard injuries, my guess is Creighton are screwed if Rati were to stay or not.


I don't think i know more than college basketball coaches. Coaches always think about teams long term viability. They think about keeping 10+ guys happy and playing. Coaches take into count team morale and other things off the court. Its why college basketball teams schedule buy games every year.

Quote from: brewcity77 on August 16, 2022, 03:21:06 PM
No, it really doesn't. At this point of the summer that's just a silly argument. It gives them a thinner roster with fewer options. If he announces this in April or May, then sure, it could be a benefit. But August? No, that's not helpful.

They're better off finding a preferred walk on that doesn't take a scholarship spot than keeping him on the books. They took a flier on him and he didn't pan out. Better to cut the line earlier and bring in more talent.

Poster who said Creighton got better was hyperbolic, but acting as if they lost anything more than a very poor player is equally hyperbolic.

Quote from: jfp61 on August 16, 2022, 03:30:39 PM
Not having to play Rati 12-13 minutes per game makes Creighton a better basketball team this year.

I'm pretty sure McDermott never "had" to play him 12-13 minutes a game.

Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger link=topic=63280.msg1464331#msg1464331 date=
Now you are just making a circular argument considering you just said that McD would have to play him 12-13 per game. And it proves brew's point. Now if there are injuries, there will be less options available. The only way this helps Creighton is that it frees up scholarship for future years - it can only hurt them THIS year unless he is a bad locker room guy.

It doesn't even do that.  Creighton could always decline to renew the scholarship at the end of this season (unless they offered a rare 4-year scholarship, which I doubt). 

Quote from: panda on August 16, 2022, 04:25:26 PM
They're better off finding a preferred walk on that doesn't take a scholarship spot than keeping him on the books. They took a flier on him and he didn't pan out. Better to cut the line earlier and bring in more talent.

This is just ridiculous. You aren't finding a preferred walk on with more talent in August. Unless they are giving Doug McDermott a fifth year, that simply ain't happening.

And "took a flier on him"? AYFKM? He was the top player in their 2020 class per 247 and at the time the highest ranked recruit in Creighton history. I know 2020 feels like a lifetime ago, but this is a shabby attempt at rewriting history.

Quote from: panda on August 16, 2022, 04:25:26 PMPoster who said Creighton got better was hyperbolic, but acting as if they lost anything more than a very poor player is equally hyperbolic.

He was a good enough defender to lock Daryl Morsell up in crunch time in Omaha. He might not have lived up to his recruiting ranking thanks to injury, but he was a viable high major bench player that gave Creighton options in case of injury or foul trouble.

As a Marquette fan, I wouldn't want to lose Stevie Mitchell right now. In terms of freshman minutes played and recruiting rank, Andro was superior in both regards. As I said, doesn't likely hurt their ceiling, but it does hurt their floor.

Quote from: brewcity77 on August 17, 2022, 07:04:46 AM
This is just ridiculous. You aren't finding a preferred walk on with more talent in August. Unless they are giving Doug McDermott a fifth year, that simply ain't happening.

And "took a flier on him"? AYFKM? He was the top player in their 2020 class per 247 and at the time the highest ranked recruit in Creighton history. I know 2020 feels like a lifetime ago, but this is a shabby attempt at rewriting history.

He was a good enough defender to lock Daryl Morsell up in crunch time in Omaha. He might not have lived up to his recruiting ranking thanks to injury, but he was a viable high major bench player that gave Creighton options in case of injury or foul trouble.

As a Marquette fan, I wouldn't want to lose Stevie Mitchell right now. In terms of freshman minutes played and recruiting rank, Andro was superior in both regards. As I said, doesn't likely hurt their ceiling, but it does hurt their floor.

Yep yep.

Quote from: brewcity77 on August 17, 2022, 07:04:46 AM
This is just ridiculous. You aren't finding a preferred walk on with more talent in August. Unless they are giving Doug McDermott a fifth year, that simply ain't happening.

And "took a flier on him"? AYFKM? He was the top player in their 2020 class per 247 and at the time the highest ranked recruit in Creighton history. I know 2020 feels like a lifetime ago, but this is a shabby attempt at rewriting history.

He was a good enough defender to lock Daryl Morsell up in crunch time in Omaha. He might not have lived up to his recruiting ranking thanks to injury, but he was a viable high major bench player that gave Creighton options in case of injury or foul trouble.

As a Marquette fan, I wouldn't want to lose Stevie Mitchell right now. In terms of freshman minutes played and recruiting rank, Andro was superior in both regards. As I said, doesn't likely hurt their ceiling, but it does hurt their floor.

The guy had a negative 1.1 PRPG. Worst by far in the BE and second worst high major. It's not a loss anyway you slice it. Almost anyone can come in and have that same or slightly better influence.

Stevie is a much better player so bad comparison.

Quote from: panda on August 17, 2022, 07:51:17 AM
The guy had a negative 1.1 PRPG. Worst by far in the BE and second worst high major. It's not a loss anyway you slice it. Almost anyone can come in and have that same or slightly better influence.

So who is coming in?

Quote from: panda on August 17, 2022, 07:51:17 AM
The guy had a negative 1.1 PRPG. Worst by far in the BE and second worst high major. It's not a loss anyway you slice it. Almost anyone can come in and have that same or slightly better influence.

Stevie is a much better player so bad comparison.

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Quote from: brewcity77 on August 17, 2022, 07:04:46 AM
This is just ridiculous. You aren't finding a preferred walk on with more talent in August. Unless they are giving Doug McDermott a fifth year, that simply ain't happening.

And "took a flier on him"? AYFKM? He was the top player in their 2020 class per 247 and at the time the highest ranked recruit in Creighton history. I know 2020 feels like a lifetime ago, but this is a shabby attempt at rewriting history.

He was a good enough defender to lock Daryl Morsell up in crunch time in Omaha. He might not have lived up to his recruiting ranking thanks to injury, but he was a viable high major bench player that gave Creighton options in case of injury or foul trouble.

As a Marquette fan, I wouldn't want to lose Stevie Mitchell right now. In terms of freshman minutes played and recruiting rank, Andro was superior in both regards. As I said, doesn't likely hurt their ceiling, but it does hurt their floor.

Stevie Mitchell had a 97.3 offensive rating. He provided a -0.8 offensive rating to Marquette or -0.5 RAPM. He provided excellent defense to balance this, improving the defense with a -1.8 defensive rating while playing or -1.9 RAPM.

His play on the court improved Marquette by NET 1 in rating and NET 1.4 in RAPM.

Rati Andronikashvili had a 66.4 offensive rating. Making him the second worst high major player offensively. He provided a -7.6 offensive rating to Creighton or -1.5 RAPM. He provided some defense to balance this, improving the defense with a -1.3 defensive rating while playing or -0.8 RAPM.

His play on the court hurt Creighton by NET 6.3 in rating and NET -0.7 in RAPM.

This is disgusting comparison, and feels insulting to Stevie.

Quote from: jfp61 on August 17, 2022, 09:42:54 AM

Stevie Mitchell had a 97.3 offensive rating. He provided a -0.8 offensive rating to Marquette or -0.5 RAPM. He provided excellent defense to balance this, improving the defense with a -1.8 defensive rating while playing or -1.9 RAPM.

His play on the court improved Marquette by NET 1 in rating and NET 1.4 in RAPM.

Rati Andronikashvili had a 66.4 offensive rating. Making him the second worst high major player offensively. He provided a -7.6 offensive rating to Creighton or -1.5 RAPM. He provided some defense to balance this, improving the defense with a -1.3 defensive rating while playing or -0.8 RAPM.

His play on the court hurt Creighton by NET 6.3 in rating and NET -0.7 in RAPM.

This is disgusting comparison, and feels insulting to Stevie.

Way to avoid the topics of finding more talent in August, seeing the at the time highest ranked recruit in Creighton history walk away, ignoring that he shut down Morsell in Omaha, and that he was a viable bench option.

Plenty of players had poor starts to their careers and ended up being meaningful contributors. Jamorko Pickett, RJ Nembhard, Aaron Wheeler, Andre Wesson, and Herb Pope all had mediocre freshman and/or sophomore years and developed into important high-major contributors.

But what you're really ignoring is the simple fact that this hurts Creighton's floor, which has been the point all along. They are better off having a guy who was able to contribute 10-15 mpg as a freshman and could develop into more in later years than filling that spot with a tackling dummy, which is probably their best option in late August.

Also, the Stevie comparison is based on two things. Recruiting ranking coming in and minutes played last year. Both categories favored Rati. That's not disputable, whether you like the comparison or not.

Quote from: brewcity77 on August 17, 2022, 08:15:21 AM
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No they won't fill his spot with a transfer or new recruit in august and i never said they would. My point all along, which I've said several times, is that anyone on the roster or a preferred walk on can do what he did last year. There will be no roster crisis because he left.

Him leaving now gives Creighton more flexibility to take a mid season transfer or bank the scholarship and go after someone more talented once the season is over.

Nothing too complicated here.

Quote from: brewcity77 on August 17, 2022, 07:04:46 AM
This is just ridiculous. You aren't finding a preferred walk on with more talent in August. Unless they are giving Doug McDermott a fifth year, that simply ain't happening.

And "took a flier on him"? AYFKM? He was the top player in their 2020 class per 247 and at the time the highest ranked recruit in Creighton history. I know 2020 feels like a lifetime ago, but this is a shabby attempt at rewriting history.

He was a good enough defender to lock Daryl Morsell up in crunch time in Omaha. He might not have lived up to his recruiting ranking thanks to injury, but he was a viable high major bench player that gave Creighton options in case of injury or foul trouble.

As a Marquette fan, I wouldn't want to lose Stevie Mitchell right now. In terms of freshman minutes played and recruiting rank, Andro was superior in both regards. As I said, doesn't likely hurt their ceiling, but it does hurt their floor.

With the nba global academies available, international recruiting is much more reliable. But it can still be somewhat of a backwater channel without a ton of reliable games to base talent off of. Heck Harry Froling was a big time recruit when he came into college hoops.

Quote from: panda on August 17, 2022, 10:42:41 AM
No they won't fill his spot with a transfer or new recruit in august and i never said they would. My point all along, which I've said several times, is that anyone on the roster or a preferred walk on can do what he did last year.

Which is false. He played the eighth most minutes on the team last year. Ahead of five other players. I think it is a reasonable assertion that those five players were worse than him, and since three of them are returning, I think he would be ahead of them again this year.

Quote from: panda on August 17, 2022, 10:42:41 AM
No they won't fill his spot with a transfer or new recruit in august and i never said they would. My point all along, which I've said several times, is that anyone on the roster or a preferred walk on can do what he did last year. There will be no roster crisis because he left.

Him leaving now gives Creighton more flexibility to take a mid season transfer or bank the scholarship and go after someone more talented once the season is over.

Nothing too complicated here.

This is just silly. They aren't getting anyone better at this point. No mid-season transfer will help them and there's no greater roster flexibility next season because he could've left in April 2023 to the same effect. No one is calling this a roster crisis, it's simply the loss of a potentially useful rotation player late in the year when there aren't many replacements to be found. There's no way, shape, or form in which this helps them in the short or long term.

Bottom line, saying that adding a walk-on would be better is factually incorrect. Saying that he's just a guy they "took a flier on" and it didn't work out is factually incorrect. Saying that it improves their roster flexibility beyond this year is factually incorrect. You are throwing out a lot of things that are simply wrong and pretending otherwise.

Nothing too complicated here.

This may be the scoopiest argument of the summer.   Can we do St. John's 9th best player next?

Quote from: brewcity77 on August 17, 2022, 10:14:07 AM
Way to avoid the topics of finding more talent in August, seeing the at the time highest ranked recruit in Creighton history walk away, ignoring that he shut down Morsell in Omaha, and that he was a viable bench option.

Plenty of players had poor starts to their careers and ended up being meaningful contributors. Jamorko Pickett, RJ Nembhard, Aaron Wheeler, Andre Wesson, and Herb Pope all had mediocre freshman and/or sophomore years and developed into important high-major contributors.

But what you're really ignoring is the simple fact that this hurts Creighton's floor, which has been the point all along. They are better off having a guy who was able to contribute 10-15 mpg as a freshman and could develop into more in later years than filling that spot with a tackling dummy, which is probably their best option in late August.

Also, the Stevie comparison is based on two things. Recruiting ranking coming in and minutes played last year. Both categories favored Rati. That's not disputable, whether you like the comparison or not.

1. My initial point was "losing Rati helps creighton this year on the court". I believe that because it forces them to play better players more often, and mild boost in their NET rankings is more beneficial than the depth Rati would provide as a the 5th-6th guard. He was nearly the worst offensive player in college basketball.

2. I never brought up his recruiting ranking. Ignored it for multiple reasons. I was focused on the on court ability. With recruiting, once you get past top 40-50 guys, rankings feel like a crap shoot. And from previous instances recruiting rankings of foreign players feel negligible. Services having Rati over  Kalkbrenner felt dumb at the time for instance. As for the "highest ranked recruit in Creighton history". They received commitments from 4 higher ranked recruits than Rati after he came to the school. And nearly a 5th in tyty. Im sure Mcdermott is fine.

3.  Jamorko Pickett, RJ Nembhard, Aaron Wheeler, Andre Wesson, and Herb Pope, all never had a single season as bad as Rati did last year offensively.

4. You can ignore the topic of "finding talent now", because talent is retally available in the transfer market every season. And Creighton has enough better talent already on its roster. Having seen Rati play, I would rather be forced to play
Ben Shtolzberg in a pinch over him.  McDermott won't play 12 guys. His 5th guard wont get 2mpg vs Nova.

5. Also you can ignore the 9 greatest minutes of rati's life when he guarded morsell. It was a clear outlier relative to the rest of his time on the court at creighton. Outliers happen. Creighton won that game because Kalkbrenner was the best player on the floor and Justin Lewis had one of his worst games at Marquette.


Saying Creighton is a better team today than it was yesterday isn't wild at all. They lost one of the worst offensive players in all of college basketball, they found better guards in Farabello, Mitchell, and likely in Christofilis and Shtolzberg. Those guards will now get Rati's minutes. Addition by subtraction is real.

Quote from: brewcity77 on August 17, 2022, 11:13:16 AM
This is just silly. They aren't getting anyone better at this point. No mid-season transfer will help them and there's no greater roster flexibility next season because he could've left in April 2023 to the same effect. No one is calling this a roster crisis, it's simply the loss of a potentially useful rotation player late in the year when there aren't many replacements to be found. There's no way, shape, or form in which this helps them in the short or long term.

Bottom line, saying that adding a walk-on would be better is factually incorrect. Saying that he's just a guy they "took a flier on" and it didn't work out is factually incorrect. Saying that it improves their roster flexibility beyond this year is factually incorrect. You are throwing out a lot of things that are simply wrong and pretending otherwise.

Nothing too complicated here.

There is not way his minutes are going to anyone worse than him.

Quote from: rocky_warrior on August 17, 2022, 11:13:47 AM
This may be the scoopiest argument of the summer.   Can we do St. John's 9th best player next?

Why would we talk about Andre Curbello right now?

Quote from: jfp61 on August 17, 2022, 11:26:48 AM
There is not way his minutes are going to anyone worse than him.

Again, he played significantly more than three people who are on their roster this year.

Quote from: panda on August 17, 2022, 10:44:12 AMHeck Harry Froling was a big time recruit when he came into college hoops.

Source?

Rati leaving opens up minutes for Mason Miller. Miller was a top 75 recruit and son of NBA star Mike Miller.

Creighton red shirted the 6-8 Miller last year to develop physically  . He has a very good shot and should be in the Creighton tradition of shooters .

Quote from: panda link=topic=63280.msg1464433#msg1464433 date=

Him leaving now gives Creighton more flexibility to take a mid season transfer or bank the scholarship and go after someone more talented once the season is over.

Nothing too complicated here.

It doesn't give them any more flexibility.

Your comment on mid-season transfers only made sense when players had to sit out a year. When Harry Froling transferred from SMU to MU he had to sit out two semesters before he could play, and therefore needed MU to have a scholarship open mid year. 

Future mid-year transfers will be like Dawson Garcia, where he can leave UNC mid-term, finish the academic year, and transfer and immediately play the first semester at Minnesota.  Minnesota didn't need an open scholarship because they didn't need Dawson to spend a year on campus before becoming eligible.

Even more obviously, teams absolutely don't need to bank a scholarship for next season. That's just dumb.  McDermott can keep Anrdro around this entire season and STILL replace him with a better player for next year.

Quote from: brewcity77 on August 17, 2022, 11:13:16 AM
This is just silly. They aren't getting anyone better at this point. No mid-season transfer will help them and there's no greater roster flexibility next season because he could've left in April 2023 to the same effect. No one is calling this a roster crisis, it's simply the loss of a potentially useful rotation player late in the year when there aren't many replacements to be found. There's no way, shape, or form in which this helps them in the short or long term.

Bottom line, saying that adding a walk-on would be better is factually incorrect. Saying that he's just a guy they "took a flier on" and it didn't work out is factually incorrect. Saying that it improves their roster flexibility beyond this year is factually incorrect. You are throwing out a lot of things that are simply wrong and pretending otherwise.

Nothing too complicated here.

They added Farabello and Schierman. He's not playing more this season and that's why he's leaving. Classic getting recruited over, realizing he's not going to play nearly as much as he likes and he leaves. Not rocket science.

Read my posts - I never talked about roster flexibility this year. I've said multiple times it gives them an opportunity for more flexibility to take a mid season transfer or recruit more expansively moving forward. You created this narrative and are arguing against yourself.

Quote from: panda on August 17, 2022, 12:05:47 PM
They added Farabello and Schierman. He's not playing more this season and that's why he's leaving. Classic getting recruited over, realizing he's not going to play nearly as much as he likes and he leaves. Not rocket science.

What? That's a completely different argument than the one you were making just over a hour ago. 

Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on August 17, 2022, 11:44:50 AM
Again, he played significantly more than three people who are on their roster this year.

Yes he played more than guys who were injured.  Christofilis, Mitchell, and Miller were hurt. And then he really played because nemhard got hurt at the end.

Quote from: jfp61 on August 17, 2022, 12:12:13 PM
Yes he played more than guys who were injured.  Christofilis, Mitchell, and Miller were hurt. And then he really played because nemhard got hurt at the end.

He was playing well more than the three returners before they were hurt.  Let's use Christofilis as an example.  Before he was hurt in early February, he played in 13 of 19 games for a a total of 52 minutes played. 

Rati played in all 19 for a total of 174 minutes.

Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on August 17, 2022, 12:10:37 PM
What? That's a completely different argument than the one you were making just over a hour ago.

The discussion evolved. I very clearly stated my position in my last post which I've maintained throughout the discussion.

Brew brought up another tangential point so I addressed it.

Quote from: rocky_warrior on August 17, 2022, 11:13:47 AM
This may be the scoopiest argument of the summer.   Can we do St. John's 9th best player next?

Esahia Nyiwe

Come at me bro.

Quote from: The Equalizer on August 17, 2022, 11:55:21 AM
It doesn't give them any more flexibility.

Your comment on mid-season transfers only made sense when players had to sit out a year. When Harry Froling transferred from SMU to MU he had to sit out two semesters before he could play, and therefore needed MU to have a scholarship open mid year. 

Future mid-year transfers will be like Dawson Garcia, where he can leave UNC mid-term, finish the academic year, and transfer and immediately play the first semester at Minnesota.  Minnesota didn't need an open scholarship because they didn't need Dawson to spend a year on campus before becoming eligible.

Even more obviously, teams absolutely don't need to bank a scholarship for next season. That's just dumb.  McDermott can keep Anrdro around this entire season and STILL replace him with a better player for next year.

How does one less scholarship on the books not give them more flexibility ?

Quote from: panda on August 17, 2022, 12:36:02 PM
The discussion evolved. I very clearly stated my position in my last post which I've maintained throughout the discussion.

Brew brought up another tangential point so I addressed it.

Scoop is so parliamentary Question Hour.

Quote from: panda on August 17, 2022, 12:39:06 PM
How does one less scholarship on the books not give them more flexibility ?

In the future, sure.  This season, no.

Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on August 17, 2022, 12:28:36 PM

He was playing well more than the three returners before they were hurt.  Let's use Christofilis as an example.  Before he was hurt in early February, he played in 13 of 19 games for a a total of 52 minutes played. 

Rati played in all 19 for a total of 174 minutes.

I have never seen a decent true freshman not play a lot of minutes over a "sophmore" who has been with the team before. Especially in the first 19 games of the freshman's career. Rare stuff here.

Quote from: jfp61 on August 17, 2022, 01:13:10 PM
I have never seen a decent true freshman not play a lot of minutes over a "sophmore" who has been with the team before. Especially in the first 19 games of the freshman's career. Rare stuff here.

I mean, you can keep making excuses why your arguments are trash.  But that doesn't change the fact that they are indeed trash.

Quote from: panda on August 17, 2022, 12:05:47 PMI never talked about roster flexibility this year.

Quote from: panda on August 17, 2022, 12:39:06 PMHow does one less scholarship on the books not give them more flexibility ?

34 minutes to contradict yourself? Are you reading what you're writing, or just hitting "Post" as fast as you can get it out.

Quote from: brewcity77 on August 17, 2022, 01:21:28 PM
34 minutes to contradict yourself? Are you reading what you're writing, or just hitting "Post" as fast as you can get it out.

I never talked about roster flexibility this year and neither of those quoted posts say anything about this year.

This conversation has always been about flexibility at the semester (taking a player for next year) and recruiting high school or transfers for next year.

You keep looking for some gotcha moment but once again, I've never talked about roster flexibility for this upcoming season. I've maintained rati is not any sort of a loss to Creighton - a walk on can do what he did-and him leaving leaves more recruiting opportunities moving forward.

Quote from: panda on August 17, 2022, 01:29:21 PM
I never talked about roster flexibility this year and neither of those quoted posts say anything about this year.

This conversation has always been about flexibility at the semester (taking a player for next year) and recruiting high school or transfers for next year.

You keep looking for some gotcha moment but once again, I've never talked about roster flexibility for this upcoming season. I've maintained rati is not any sort of a loss to Creighton - a walk on can do what he did-and him leaving leaves more recruiting opportunities moving forward.

That's this year.

Quote from: brewcity77 on August 17, 2022, 01:43:33 PM
That's this year.

Not sure about current rules, but mid season transfers can't play the same season....

Quote from: panda on August 17, 2022, 02:12:05 PM
Not sure about current rules, but mid season transfers can't play the same season....

No, but the flexibility you are talking about is and always has been.

Regardless, it's a silly argument that losing a rotation player in August is a positive. Even if he played less and spent more time as a practice player than on-court player, he would have more value on the team than off it. You made a poorly articulated comment that they are better off without him and are spinning every which way to try to rationalize it.

Very, very, very strange hill to die on.

Quote from: brewcity77 on August 17, 2022, 02:21:10 PM
No, but the flexibility you are talking about is and always has been.

Regardless, it's a silly argument that losing a rotation player in August is a positive. Even if he played less and spent more time as a practice player than on-court player, he would have more value on the team than off it. You made a poorly articulated comment that they are better off without him and are spinning every which way to try to rationalize it.

Very, very, very strange hill to die on.

Scholarship flexibility....

The only point I've made about replacing rati this season is you can get a preferred walk on to do what he did - which I maintain. I never said anything about finding a scholarship player outside of the program.

You created this argument and are just convincing yourself you're right when that's not what I'm talking about.

He's leaving because they recruited over him and he probably didn't like the limited role McDermott had planned for him this year.

This is what I'm reminded of.

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Quote from: rocky_warrior on August 17, 2022, 11:13:47 AM
This may be the scoopiest argument of the summer.   Can we do St. John's 9th best player next?

That keeps keeps getting said.  It keeps being wrong.

panda, you had a bad take and rather than walk it back, you doubled down with roster flexibility and walk ons. If that's your hill to die on, I guess that's your prerogative.

Per Torvik.. RATi leaving helps adj OE by 0.4 and hurts Adj DE by 9.1. Creighton's outlook jumps from #25 all the way to #24, proving this discussion is a benefit to all and should continue.

Quote from: GoFastAndWin on August 17, 2022, 12:51:30 PM
Scoop is so parliamentary Question Hour.

Question to the Prime Minister, Mr. Michael Shersby.

But is not Oasis the greatest British band since the Beatles? Can we not vote on this?!

Quote from: brewcity77 on August 17, 2022, 04:42:45 PM
panda, you had a bad take and rather than walk it back, you doubled down with roster flexibility and walk ons. If that's your hill to die on, I guess that's your prerogative.

I could "win" an argument too if I just made up things the other person didn't say...

Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 17, 2022, 05:43:15 PM
Question to the Prime Minister, Mr. Michael Shersby.

But is not Oasis the greatest British band since the Beatles? Can we not vote on this?!

Radiohead

Quote from: PBRme on August 18, 2022, 10:57:39 AM
Radiohead

My first thought as well

Quote from: PBRme on August 18, 2022, 10:57:39 AM
Radiohead

I was referring to an SNL skit.

Also, The Beatles.

Quote from: panda on August 18, 2022, 07:06:45 AMI could "win" an argument too if I just made up things the other person didn't say...

Take up your disagreements with the guy that said these things.

Quote from: panda on August 16, 2022, 04:25:26 PMThey're better off finding a preferred walk on

Quote from: panda on August 17, 2022, 10:42:41 AMHim leaving now gives Creighton more flexibility to take a mid season transfer or bank the scholarship and go after someone more talented once the season is over.

Quote from: brewcity77 on August 18, 2022, 09:22:08 PM
Take up your disagreements with the guy that said these things.

It's my opinion that a walk on can match his output as a reserve guard deep on the bench. We can debate my opinion but I do believe his role is so minuscule with Farabello, Nemhard, scheirman and Mitchell all in front of him in the rotation that a walk on can be the 5th guard on the team and they wouldn't lose a step.

It's just a simple fact that any player leaving now gives them more opportunities and flexibility to sign a guy in the January window (for next season) or put more irons in the recruiting fire for next year.

Some players leaving now hurt more than others and it's my opinion that with Creighton's back court depth, Rati leaving does absolutely zero damage to their pre season expectations.

Those have been the points I've maintained throughout.

Quote from: panda on August 19, 2022, 06:23:27 AM
It's my opinion that a walk on can match his output as a reserve guard deep on the bench. We can debate my opinion but I do believe his role is so minuscule with Farabello, Nemhard, scheirman and Mitchell all in front of him in the rotation that a walk on can be the 5th guard on the team and they wouldn't lose a step.

It's just a simple fact that any player leaving now gives them more opportunities and flexibility to sign a guy in the January window (for next season) or put more irons in the recruiting fire for next year.

Some players leaving now hurt more than others and it's my opinion that with Creighton's back court depth, Rati leaving does absolutely zero damage to their pre season expectations.

Those have been the points I've maintained throughout.

::) ::) ::)

So let's recap...

panda:  Here are my takes.

brew:  Your takes are bad

panda:  I didn't have those takes

<brew provides evidence of said takes>

panda:  Yeah those are my takes and I think they're great!

Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on August 19, 2022, 07:44:18 AM

::) ::) ::)

So let's recap...

panda:  Here are my takes.

brew:  Your takes are bad

panda:  I didn't have those takes

<brew provides evidence of said takes>

panda:  Yeah those are my takes and I think they're great!

"Evidence" lol

Quote from: panda on August 19, 2022, 08:03:32 AM
"Evidence" lol

So quotes showing you actually said things you claimed were "made up" isn't actually evidence?   :o :o :o

Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on August 19, 2022, 08:08:33 AM
So quotes showing you actually said things you claimed were "made up" isn't actually evidence?   :o :o :o

Misinterpreting and misunderstanding my points and quoting them isn't some evidential magic bullet.

You sound like Bill Clinton quibbling over what the definition of is is.

Quote from: brewcity77 on August 19, 2022, 09:34:05 PM
You sound like Bill Clinton quibbling over what the definition of is is.

We can debate the impact of whether or not losing Rati is a plus, minus or negligible difference until next April. But I'm still not sure how you're trying to contest how an extra available scholarship doesn't give Creighton more recruiting flexibility moving forward.

Because they could've sent him packing in March 2023, which is the next time they will have meaningful transfer targets. I simply don't believe there's going to be many Deonte Burton types that transfer at midseason anymore with immediate eligibility. There's no significant difference between him leaving now and spring.

Quote from: brewcity77 on August 20, 2022, 08:36:02 AM
I simply don't believe there's going to be many Deonte Burton types that transfer at midseason anymore with immediate eligibility.

Prove that for me :-)

They can also sell the open spot to recruits rather than prioritizing one guy over the other.

*also deonte didn't immediately become eligible. He sat out second semester once transferring and first semester at isu. Not sure how new transfer rules will impact kid season guys

Quote from: panda on August 20, 2022, 08:55:22 AM
Not sure how new transfer rules will impact kid season guys

There used to be an advantage to transferring mid-season, they could play a semester early. Now whether you transfer mid-season or in June, you are playing next November. Theoretically there will be a population of players who would have mid-season transferred before but now stick it out because they're no advantage to leaving early

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on August 20, 2022, 09:29:51 AM
There used to be an advantage to transferring mid-season, they could play a semester early. Now whether you transfer mid-season or in June, you are playing next November. Theoretically there will be a population of players who would have mid-season transferred before but now stick it out because they're no advantage to leaving early

Did not know that thx tamu. When did that change ?

Quote from: panda on August 20, 2022, 09:34:59 AM
Did not know that thx tamu. When did that change ?

When all transfers turned to insta transfers last offseason

The benefit to transfer mid season is if you're miserable where you are you might just want to move on ASAP. You can also jump in and practice with your new team and start building that chemistry 4 months earlier, get into their strength and conditioning program, build relationships, etc. Mid season transfers will be less prevalent. They won't be extinct.

Quote from: TAMU Eagle on August 20, 2022, 09:49:32 AM
When all transfers turned to insta transfers last offseason

Got it thx

Quote from: WithoutBias on August 20, 2022, 09:56:06 AM
The benefit to transfer mid season is if you're miserable where you are you might just want to move on ASAP. You can also jump in and practice with your new team and start building that chemistry 4 months earlier, get into their strength and conditioning program, build relationships, etc. Mid season transfers will be less prevalent. They won't be extinct.

Yep,  they will always exist,  just less common

Quote from: brewcity77 on August 20, 2022, 08:36:02 AM
Because they could've sent him packing in March 2023, which is the next time they will have meaningful transfer targets. I simply don't believe there's going to be many Deonte Burton types that transfer at midseason anymore with immediate eligibility. There's no significant difference between him leaving now and spring.

Creighton signed an experienced guard from TCU , who is a good three point shooter. Who also happens to be tight with one of Creighton assistants . In addition they have Nembhard, Alexander , Scheireman and Sherrie Mitchell plus a lot of other guard recruits .Rati saw the hand writing on the wall and had a bird in the with a foreign deal .

https://gocreighton.com/news/2022/4/18/mens-basketball-adds-tcu-transfer-francisco-farabello.aspx#:~:text=%2D%2D%20TCU%20guard%20Francisco%20Farabello,from%20Ca%C3%B1ada%20de%20G%C3%B3mez%2C%20Argentina.

So if everyone pans out, Farabello would take the O'Connell role, Scheierman the Hawkins role, and Rati...the exact same useful backup role as last year.

Quote from: brewcity77 on August 20, 2022, 06:30:08 PM
So if everyone pans out, Farabello would take the O'Connell role, Scheierman the Hawkins role, and Rati...the exact same useful backup role as last year.

The only reason he started to see an increase in minutes was after Nembhard went down and he's coming back this year. So they have two new guys coming into replace AOC and Hawkins plus bringing back Nembhard. Rati gets pushed back to his back end of the rotation spot that he played for 70% of last season.

They actually have a few solid freshman coming in which will afford them probably more depth and flexibility than what they had last season.

Quote from: brewcity77 on August 20, 2022, 06:30:08 PM
So if everyone pans out, Farabello would take the O'Connell role, Scheierman the Hawkins role, and Rati...the exact same useful backup role as last year.

Schiererman is a 3 Point shooting guard who was invited to G League Combine versus Hawkins a 3/4 type rebounding player

Shereef Mitchell is healthy now . That gives their team 5 experienced guards .

I don't think Rati , who I agree is a tough nosed defender, would have seen many minutes .

The rationalizations are ridiculous. If Andronikishvili was so extraneous, why didn't they run him off in March when they could've actually used the scholarship? Because the staff wanted him around. Period.

I have little doubt this dude is getting significantly more attention here than he is even by Creighton's fanbase.

Maybe if we argue on this for the next 2 weeks one of the parties will decide they had it wrong and change their mind!

Quote from: brewcity77 on August 20, 2022, 08:24:55 PM
The rationalizations are ridiculous. If Andronikishvili was so extraneous, why didn't they run him off in March when they could've actually used the scholarship? Because the staff wanted him around. Period.

It's not too far fetched to say lots of players on the roster are better than him.

I don't believe the staff would run off a guy who seems to be a model citizen/teammate/hard worker. The more probable explanation is he saw how the rotations were shaping up, didn't like where he stood, took advantage of an opportunity to go closer to home and play pro hoops.

Quote from: panda on August 21, 2022, 08:01:22 AM
It's not too far fetched to say lots of players on the roster are better than him.

Which, again, wasn't your original argument, but OK...

Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on August 21, 2022, 08:04:36 AM
Which, again, wasn't your original argument, but OK...

::)

It really would have been easier for you just to exit the topic quietly instead of going on for days denying saying things that you clearly said, and claiming you said things that you clearly did not.

Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on August 21, 2022, 08:26:13 AM
::)

It really would have been easier for you just to exit the topic quietly instead of going on for days denying saying things that you clearly said, and claiming you said things that you clearly did not.

I wasn't aware saying rati was replaceable in my first post and then going onto say other players are better is that much of mental gymnastics for you. Can't say I'm surprised.

Quote from: panda on August 21, 2022, 08:33:11 AM
I wasn't aware saying rati was replaceable in my first post and then going onto say other players are better is that much of mental gymnastics for you. Can't say I'm surprised.

Of course you ignore all the inane statements you made in between, but that would require a bit of honestly when making your point.

Can't say I'm surprised.

Quote from: Sultan Sultanberger on August 21, 2022, 08:39:59 AM
Of course you ignore all the inane statements you made in between, but that would require a bit of honestly when making your point.

Can't say I'm surprised.

Quote from: WithoutBias on August 20, 2022, 09:21:40 PM
I have little doubt this dude is getting significantly more attention here than he is even by Creighton's fanbase.

Maybe if we argue on this for the next 2 weeks one of the parties will decide they had it wrong and change their mind!

  Remember the NIL thread where a scooper posted literally 28 times arguing that a player with a lucrative NIL should pay his own tuition? No way in Hell was he going to walk it back.

Quote from: panda on August 21, 2022, 08:33:11 AM
I wasn't aware saying rati was replaceable in my first post and then going onto say other players are better is that much of mental gymnastics for you. Can't say I'm surprised.

Except that's not what you said. You said they would be better off with a walk-on. Even in trying to defend yourself, you lie when the receipts are in this thread over and over.

Quote from: brewcity77 on August 21, 2022, 10:02:29 AM
Except that's not what you said. You said they would be better off with a walk-on. Even in trying to defend yourself, you lie when the receipts are in this thread over and over.

I do think a preferred walk on would contribute at the same level as him. Never changed that stance.

I also said him leaving opens up a roster spot for recruiting purposes. Both things are true.

Quote from: panda on August 21, 2022, 10:10:04 AM
I do think a preferred walk on would contribute at the same level as him. Never changed that stance.

I also said him leaving opens up a roster spot for recruiting purposes. Both things are true.

So when it is pointed that these are bad takes, are you going to lie about saying them again?

Arbitration lawyers should be included as part of the Scoop subscription.

Quote from: Newsdreams on August 21, 2022, 12:07:17 PM
Arbitration lawyers should be included as part of the Scoop subscription.

Lol ! I'm happy to move on. I think brew and I have both made our sides abundantly clear.

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Zach Freemantle of Xavier has been suspended indefinitely from team activities.

No confirmation as to why, but seems to he butting heads with new coach, Sean Miller.

UPDATE: *Sorry just saw this on a different thread*

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on September 27, 2022, 04:25:04 PM
Zach Freemantle of Xavier has been suspended indefinitely from team activities.

No confirmation as to why, but seems to he butting heads with new coach, Sean Miller.

UPDATE: *Sorry just saw this on a different thread*

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/xaviersports/2022/09/27/xaviers-zach-freemantle-suspended-indefinitely/69522940007/

Season doesnt start for like 6 weeks. Meh on a indefinite suspension pre October

Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on September 27, 2022, 07:13:49 PM
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/xaviersports/2022/09/27/xaviers-zach-freemantle-suspended-indefinitely/69522940007/

Well clearly Zach doesn't read Scoop, or he'd know all he needs to do to get around an "indefinite suspension" is change his jersey name and number and slowly start showing up at practice again.

Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on September 27, 2022, 07:13:49 PM
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/xaviersports/2022/09/27/xaviers-zach-freemantle-suspended-indefinitely/69522940007/

Zach Imprisonedmantle is more like it.

Free Zach Mantle?

Big East Court Update:  Providence.  Bad.

https://twitter.com/BIGEASTMBB/status/1579640899981967360?s=20&t=hBbk3ePUh6yjEY2BBMm6Sw

(Also appears to no longer be The Dunk)

Quote from: TallTitan34 on October 11, 2022, 08:43:18 AM
Big East Court Update:  Providence.  Bad.

https://twitter.com/BIGEASTMBB/status/1579640899981967360?s=20&t=hBbk3ePUh6yjEY2BBMm6Sw

(Also appears to no longer be The Dunk)

Yep, Dunkin Donuts did not renew their naming rights. Amica Mutual (Insurance) Pavillion now. Floor is ugly.

Quote from: TallTitan34 on October 11, 2022, 08:43:18 AM
Big East Court Update:  Providence.  Bad.

https://twitter.com/BIGEASTMBB/status/1579640899981967360?s=20&t=hBbk3ePUh6yjEY2BBMm6Sw

(Also appears to no longer be The Dunk)

Yikes. Looks like their supplier screwed up the order and Providence just said, "Lets just go with it".

Only thing worse would be if they put this guy's face on it.

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Quote from: TallTitan34 on October 11, 2022, 08:43:18 AM
Big East Court Update:  Providence.  Bad.

https://twitter.com/BIGEASTMBB/status/1579640899981967360?s=20&t=hBbk3ePUh6yjEY2BBMm6Sw

(Also appears to no longer be The Dunk)

Do not like asymmetrical floor designs

Quote from: TallTitan34 on October 11, 2022, 08:43:18 AM
Big East Court Update:  Providence.  Bad.

https://twitter.com/BIGEASTMBB/status/1579640899981967360?s=20&t=hBbk3ePUh6yjEY2BBMm6Sw

(Also appears to no longer be The Dunk)

Not great, on both accounts.

Quote from: TallTitan34 on October 11, 2022, 08:43:18 AM


(Also appears to no longer be The Dunk)

The Dunk be gowne! But it's still the same slippery dump.

Quote from: mileskishnish72 on October 11, 2022, 03:56:32 PM
The Dunk be gowne! But it's still the same slippery dump.

Yeah, that place is a joke.  Condensation on the court, leaks from the roof that cause games to stop and start elsewhere, etc.  Providence should be forced to forfeit games if their arena is causing safety issues for teams to play games there.  This is big time college athletics, with a lot of money involved.  They can afford to fix these issues, and if they can't they can drop down to D3 athletics.

Quote from: wadesworld on October 11, 2022, 04:31:50 PM
Yeah, that place is a joke.  Condensation on the court, leaks from the roof that cause games to stop and start elsewhere, etc.  Providence should be forced to forfeit games if their arena is causing safety issues for teams to play games there.  This is big time college athletics, with a lot of money involved.  They can afford to fix these issues, and if they can't they can drop down to D3 athletics.

Let's not forget it's an interactive experience for their fans as long as they call timeout.

Quote from: cheebs09 on October 11, 2022, 04:56:07 PM
Let's not forget it's an interactive experience for their fans as long as they call timeout.

Lol yeah how could I forget that?

That court in Providence is beyond hideous. 

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 11, 2022, 06:56:53 PM
That court in Providence is beyond hideous.

Maybe between the court and the mascot they'll scare opponents into submission.

How good do people expect Nova to be this year? 

https://twitter.com/PCFriarsmbb/status/1579593599716851713

Quote from: YoungMUFan4 on October 11, 2022, 07:11:44 PM
https://twitter.com/PCFriarsmbb/status/1579593599716851713

Welp very monotonous then

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 11, 2022, 07:08:48 PM
How good do people expect Nova to be this year?

proably 15th to 25th best. justin moore likely out all year. superstar frosh cam whitmore had surgery on his fingwr this week and likely out 4 to 8 weeks. they lots of talent, just very young.

Quote from: Johnny B on October 11, 2022, 07:50:28 PM
proably 15th to 25th best. justin moore likely out all year. superstar frosh cam whitmore had surgery on his fingwr this week and likely out 4 to 8 weeks. they lots of talent, just very young.

Moore is targeting being back for Big East play. Not sure if that's going to happen, but that's what he's saying publicly.

I think 'Nova is one of the top contenders for the league this year. The biggest question will be their usual strength of point guard play. My guess is top-3 in the league and I think your 15-25 estimate is probably about right.

Quote from: brewcity77 on October 11, 2022, 08:08:52 PM
Moore is targeting being back for Big East play. Not sure if that's going to happen, but that's what he's saying publicly.

I think 'Nova is one of the top contenders for the league this year. The biggest question will be their usual strength of point guard play. My guess is top-3 in the league and I think your 15-25 estimate is probably about right.

Or could we be underestimating how big of a loss Wright will be Brew?

Quote from: MuggsyB on October 11, 2022, 08:21:10 PM
Or could we be underestimating how big of a loss Wright will be Brew?

In the long term I think he could be, but in the short term I think they'll be okay. It's not like a K to Scheyer situation where it's almost all new freshmen. This roster has continuity and knows the system going in. I think Nova is set up to be an easier program to get up and running initially, but sustaining it will be hard work and where we see how good Neptune really is.

Quote from: brewcity77 on October 12, 2022, 11:05:37 AM
In the long term I think he could be, but in the short term I think they'll be okay. It's not like a K to Scheyer situation where it's almost all new freshmen. This roster has continuity and knows the system going in. I think Nova is set up to be an easier program to get up and running initially, but sustaining it will be hard work and where we see how good Neptune really is.

Brew, you doing previews for our opponents again?  I look forward to those. 

Quote from: Shooter McGavin on October 12, 2022, 11:38:06 AM
Brew, you doing previews for our opponents again?  I look forward to those.

I am. Working on non-con at the moment, but I've been busier than usual for fall. Just about done with our November opponents, should start publishing soon.

Early Desmond Claude hype from national media guys is weird. He is a nice player. I guess he has more of an NBA body, and he had a Louisville and KU offer. But it is just something surprising.

Quote from: brewcity77 on October 12, 2022, 05:08:22 PM
I am. Working on non-con at the moment, but I've been busier than usual for fall. Just about done with our November opponents, should start publishing soon.

Ty Brewcity.

Quote from: brewcity77 on October 12, 2022, 05:08:22 PM
I am. Working on non-con at the moment, but I've been busier than usual for fall. Just about done with our November opponents, should start publishing soon.

A lot of us appreciate the work you do on this.

Quote from: jfp61 on October 13, 2022, 10:47:10 AM
Early Desmond Claude hype from national media guys is weird. He is a nice player. I guess he has more of an NBA body, and he had a Louisville and KU offer. But it is just something surprising.

He looked pretty good in the team scrimmage last Friday.
Of course I may be biased because he's from New Haven, CT.

Quote from: tower912 on September 28, 2022, 02:18:05 PM
Free Zach Mantle?

According to my daughter the word on campus is Zach was suspended for failing a drug test.

My daughter is not surprised as all the Sophomore through Senior players live on the first floor of her apartment building and the hallway eternally smells of weed.  The running joke is "it's only the walk-ons."