I thought that the BET should have its own thread, especially for projecting probable/possible seeds and matchups. With GT having clinched the 11 seed, your thoughts on how the other seeds may play out? Of course, this weekend's results will narrow it down. If my math is correct, MU clinches the 5 seed with a 2-1 record and Creighton is still the likely opponent. I'm still of the opinion that we will go 3-0, but the recent performances of our last three opponents have me a little on edge.
Thoughts on what team will have the best chance of taking down UCONN? It's the one team that I really, really do not want to see again.
What would be our best path to being the champion?
The absolute worst seed is the 6. Not only does it mean you have just missed out on 5 and the bye that goes with it, but it also means you have to play a game against Georgetown that can't help you one iota but definitely can hurt you.
3-0 or 2-1- 5 seed
1-2 or 0-3- 6 seed
However, an MU win and St. John's loss tomorrow, probably means MU is the 5 seed.
Ideal case is getting the 4/5 game against Seton Hall without Aiken or a reeling Xavier. Now that Nembhard is done, Creighton is a little more appealing, though Rati and Alexander aren't terrible options.
That gives us a shot at a semi against either an overrated Providence team or the most likely bid thief in the Big East, which will be the 8/9 winner, probably either Butler or St John's.
It also puts UConn on the opposite side with Villanova & (ideally) Creighton so we'd only have to deal with one of those three in the final, at which point you take what you get.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 25, 2022, 08:29:00 AM
Ideal case is getting the 4/5 game against Seton Hall without Aiken or a reeling Xavier. Now that Nembhard is done, Creighton is a little more appealing, though Rati and Alexander aren't terrible options.
That gives us a shot at a semi against either an overrated Providence team or the most likely bid thief in the Big East, which will be the 8/9 winner, probably either Butler or St John's.
It also puts UConn on the opposite side with Villanova & (ideally) Creighton so we'd only have to deal with one of those three in the final, at which point you take what you get.
Love this scenario Brew. This is exactly the type of response I was hoping for. I had not given much consideration to SH or X being our 4/5 opponent.
Quote from: MUDPT on February 25, 2022, 08:28:56 AM
3-0 or 2-1- 5 seed
1-2 or 0-3- 6 seed
However, an MU win and St. John's loss tomorrow, probably means MU is the 5 seed.
Don't want to test it, but sadly a very solid chance that 1-2 also gets us a 5 seed.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 25, 2022, 08:29:00 AM
Ideal case is getting the 4/5 game against Seton Hall without Aiken or a reeling Xavier. Now that Nembhard is done, Creighton is a little more appealing, though Rati and Alexander aren't terrible options.
That gives us a shot at a semi against either an overrated Providence team or the most likely bid thief in the Big East, which will be the 8/9 winner, probably either Butler or St John's.
It also puts UConn on the opposite side with Villanova & (ideally) Creighton so we'd only have to deal with one of those three in the final, at which point you take what you get.
0-2 is 0-2
But Id way rather have Creighton.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 25, 2022, 08:38:06 AM
Don't want to test it, but sadly a very solid chance that 1-2 also gets us a 5 seed.
If the one win is over St. John's, yes.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 25, 2022, 08:29:00 AM
Ideal case is getting the 4/5 game against Seton Hall without Aiken or a reeling Xavier. Now that Nembhard is done, Creighton is a little more appealing, though Rati and Alexander aren't terrible options.
That gives us a shot at a semi against either an overrated Providence team or the most likely bid thief in the Big East, which will be the 8/9 winner, probably either Butler or St John's.
It also puts UConn on the opposite side with Villanova & (ideally) Creighton so we'd only have to deal with one of those three in the final, at which point you take what you get.
Give me Creighton over X or the Hall and I don't think it's even close
Quote from: MUDPT on February 25, 2022, 09:19:22 AM
If the one win is over St. John's, yes.
1-2 Has us beat SHU in any head to head scenario at 10-9(if they go 2-1)
X is 7-9
SJU is 7-9
If either of those teams lose 1 they are out.
Looks to me like there are lots of scenarios where 1-2, 10-9 works.
X beats SJU and SHU beats X but loses one of their other 2 would be a solid example(aka the creighton game). Or SJU just flat out loses at DePaul.
Laziness mixed with zero desire to actually go 1-2 has me not looking at what potential tiebreakers are if we finish 10-9 with a few of these teams. But cant imagine we lose a lot of them.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 25, 2022, 08:29:00 AM
Ideal case is getting the 4/5 game against Seton Hall without Aiken or a reeling Xavier. Now that Nembhard is done, Creighton is a little more appealing, though Rati and Alexander aren't terrible options.
That gives us a shot at a semi against either an overrated Providence team or the most likely bid thief in the Big East, which will be the 8/9 winner, probably either Butler or St John's.
It also puts UConn on the opposite side with Villanova & (ideally) Creighton so we'd only have to deal with one of those three in the final, at which point you take what you get.
I prefer Creighton, but we'd beat any of those in the 4/5 game IMHO.
Quote from: swoopem on February 25, 2022, 09:20:00 AM
Give me Creighton over X or the Hall and I don't think it's even close
Team who swept us over team we swept and is missing Aiken? Not sure I follow the logic there. I guess CUs missing a major player as well but still not sure I follow the thought process
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 25, 2022, 10:22:11 AM
Team who swept us over team we swept and is missing Aiken? Not sure I follow the logic there. I guess CUs missing a major player as well but still not sure I follow the thought process
We swept Nova, so would you really rather play them than Creighton? Or X? Or Butler?
There are a lot of factors. Teams like SHU and X have a chance to have a game where they are playing volleyball with our backboard til they finally score.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 25, 2022, 08:29:00 AM
Ideal case is getting the 4/5 game against Seton Hall without Aiken or a reeling Xavier. Now that Nembhard is done, Creighton is a little more appealing, though Rati and Alexander aren't terrible options.
That gives us a shot at a semi against either an overrated Providence team or the most likely bid thief in the Big East, which will be the 8/9 winner, probably either Butler or St John's.
It also puts UConn on the opposite side with Villanova & (ideally) Creighton so we'd only have to deal with one of those three in the final, at which point you take what you get.
I'd personally much rather play Creighton sans Nembhard than Seton Hall. I don't think X is getting into the 4/5 game.
MU is basically locked into the 4-5 seed unless they go 1-2 or worse.
Currently expected standings based on T-Rank's projections:
PC 14-3
Nova 16-4
UCONN 14-5
Creighton 12-7
Marquette 12-7
Seton Hall 9-9
SJU 9-10
Xavier 9-10
Butler 6-14
Depaul 4-16
Gtown 0-20
Game-by-game projected results yeilding those standings:
2/26:
Butler @ MU (MU W)
Hall @ X (X W)
Creighton @ PC (PC W)
2/27:
UCONN @ Gtown (UCONN W)
SJU @ DP (SJU W)
3/1:
PC @ Nova (Nova W)
3/2:
X @SJU (SJU W)
Gtown @ Hall (Hall W)
UCONN @ Creighton (UCONN W)
MU @ DP (MU W)
3/5:
Nova @ Butler (NOVA W)
Depaul @ UCONN (UCONN W)
SJU @ MU (MU W)
Gtown @ X (X W)
Hall @ Creighton (Creighton W)
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 25, 2022, 08:38:56 AM
0-2 is 0-2
But Id way rather have Creighton.
Agreed. And Aiken could be back.
Sucks that they wouldn't be at full strength, but I want the 4-5 game against Creighton.
Would be a massive choke if MU falls to the 6. MU falling to the 6 seed would be a bigger collapse than any Wojo year.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 25, 2022, 10:22:11 AM
Team who swept us over team we swept and is missing Aiken? Not sure I follow the logic there. I guess CUs missing a major player as well but still not sure I follow the thought process
Remember can't beat a team 3 times....
The thing with Creighton is that Nembhard isn't the reason they give us trouble. It's Kalkbrenner and his ability to cut off pick and roll lanes. They're probably better with Nembhard, but he's a low efficiency, turnover prone guard backed up by other low efficiency, turnover prone guards. I'm not sure how much their gameplan or effectiveness changes against us without him in the lineup.
except if it's your Senior Day...
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 25, 2022, 12:29:10 PM
Remember can't beat a team 3 times....
Quote from: MU82 on February 25, 2022, 08:08:01 AM
The absolute worst seed is the 6. Not only does it mean you have just missed out on 5 and the bye that goes with it, but it also means you have to play a game against Georgetown that can't help you one iota but definitely can hurt you.
A win never hurts and you get rid of first game jitters. The other first round games are much more competitive. We are going to be the five seed and either play Uconn or Creighton, who we lost both games to.
I rather play Creighton.
Quote from: bilsu on February 25, 2022, 02:29:30 PM
A win never hurts and you get rid of first game jitters. The other first round games are much more competitive. We are going to be the five seed and either play Uconn or Creighton, who we lost both games to.
I rather play Creighton.
There is pretty much no realistic scenario where UCONN ends up as out 1st round opponent. They are basically locked into 3 seed.
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 25, 2022, 12:29:10 PM
Remember can't beat a team 3 times....
That's nullified if we're wearing championship blue on national tv
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 25, 2022, 01:44:59 PM
The thing with Creighton is that Nembhard isn't the reason they give us trouble. It's Kalkbrenner and his ability to cut off pick and roll lanes. They're probably better with Nembhard, but he's a low efficiency, turnover prone guard backed up by other low efficiency, turnover prone guards. I'm not sure how much their gameplan or effectiveness changes against us without him in the lineup.
And yet if our coach fouls up 3 we win the first game, and if Lewis and O-Max make bunnies we win the second game. I'll take my chances with a Nembhard-less CU in meeting #3.
Rather than worrying about who our opponent will be in the 4/5 game, I'm more interested in seeing what Shaka and his staff have done in rebooting the team over the past 6 days. Tomorrow (and the following two games) we should have a good idea whether or not some of our problems have been worked out. If they have, we should do well in the BET regardless of who we play, and maybe even win it.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 25, 2022, 04:11:42 PM
Rather than worrying about who our opponent will be in the 4/5 game, I'm more interested in seeing what Shaka and his staff have done in rebooting the team over the past 6 days. Tomorrow (and the following two games) we should have a good idea whether or not some of our problems have been worked out. If they have, we should do well in the BET regardless of who we play, and maybe even win it.
Good take. I agree.
Quote from: MU82 on February 25, 2022, 04:00:56 PM
And yet if our coach fouls up 3 we win the first game, and if Lewis and O-Max make bunnies we win the second game. I'll take my chances with a Nembhard-less CU in meeting #3.
I did not realize Nembhard is out. That is a big blow to Creighton. However, I do not think it matters, because both Creighton and Uconn are just going to keep going inside to their centers, because MU cannot stop them.
Quote from: MU82 on February 25, 2022, 04:00:56 PM
And yet if our coach fouls up 3 we win the first game, and if Lewis and O-Max make bunnies we win the second game. I'll take my chances with a Nembhard-less CU in meeting #3.
I'll take our chances with whomever, but I'd still prefer the team we beat twice and is missing a far more important player in what they do with Aiken-less SHU.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 25, 2022, 07:37:52 PM
I'll take our chances with whomever, but I'd still prefer the team we beat twice and is missing a far more important player in what they do with Aiken-less SHU.
hard to beat a team 3 times and i think were due vs creighton especially without Nembhard
but i thought we were due last time and was wrong again so what do I know
Uconn is the team i least want to see....not a good matchup
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 25, 2022, 07:37:52 PM
I'll take our chances with whomever, but I'd still prefer the team we beat twice and is missing a far more important player in what they do with Aiken-less SHU.
Seton hall with more overall talent and playing a pseudo home game. I'll take Creighton who, imo, we already should've beaten twice.
Quote from: EasyDuzIt on February 26, 2022, 12:14:04 AM
hard to beat a team 3 times and i think were due vs creighton especially without Nembhard
but i thought we were due last time and was wrong again so what do I know
Uconn is the team i least want to see....not a good matchup
Why is it hard to beat a team three times? What does your data say?
Quote from: EasyDuzIt on February 26, 2022, 12:14:04 AM
hard to beat a team 3 times and i think were due vs creighton especially without Nembhard
but i thought we were due last time and was wrong again so what do I know
Uconn is the team i least want to see....not a good matchup
That is not true.
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 26, 2022, 07:24:37 AM
Why is it hard to beat a team three times? What does your data say?
Because.....
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 26, 2022, 07:24:37 AM
Why is it hard to beat a team three times? What does your data say?
"I majored in Business in undergrad...but I minored in 'snark'....I am right here ready to do battle...if you think it wise.
Here for the 2nd time. ...is the answer to your question... 'A losing coach should be seen and not heard. " I this this needs more explanation for you...if it is not clear...ask your daughters. A coach who has lost 2 games is going to be gracious in public...on social media....to the press....he wants sleeping dogs to stay asleep. Why would you do anything to motivate the winning team...'We will be ready this time!' 'If they think the can beat us again...they are nuts'.....I dont think you have ever heard this because...it does not happen.. and I have had the opportunity to talk to more coaches and I have never heard the losing team say something in public. Can the loser win game 3? Sure...that is why the winning team coaches are concerned . The object is to motivate your losing team....give them quiet confidence...and make adjustments if needed. Chances are that Team A is more talented...that is why they won games 1 and 2...if you can catch them with less motivation.... Just look at MU at Butler...vs MU vs Nova.... when MU has 40 min of hair on fire energy and can hit shots...MU is tough to beat....if MU sleep walks for 10min the 1H....they will make a nice comeback but fall short. That is what the coach from Team A is fearing....that is what Team B is hoping for...and if Team B is ready....they can win....hence the concern from the coaches...and coaches are by nature control freaks and paranoid...
Now...I hope you realize that I have just answered your question for the 2nd time...if there is still an issue...ask your daughters.."
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 25, 2022, 08:29:00 AM
Ideal case is getting the 4/5 game against Seton Hall without Aiken or a reeling Xavier. Now that Nembhard is done, Creighton is a little more appealing, though Rati and Alexander aren't terrible options.
That gives us a shot at a semi against either an overrated Providence team or the most likely bid thief in the Big East, which will be the 8/9 winner, probably either Butler or St John's.
It also puts UConn on the opposite side with Villanova & (ideally) Creighton so we'd only have to deal with one of those three in the final, at which point you take what you get.
Creighton is not appealing as McDermott owns Shaka.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 26, 2022, 07:46:59 AM
Creighton is not appealing as McDermott owns Shaka.
More appealing without Nembhard than with. As I wrote in the first sentence, I prefer SHU or X.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 26, 2022, 07:46:59 AM
Creighton is not appealing as McDermott owns Shaka.
This sounds very racist. McDermott has a plantation.
I really don't care who we play — just win baby.
To be the best, you have the beat the best. When we get to the NCAAs, we are quickly going to confront a 2 or 3 seeded team. If we're praying and hoping for a bunny in our first game, either at the BET or the NCAA, well, folks, we'll be out quickly.
Here's to winning — whoever we play.
One year under Buzz, I believe we beat Louisville three times.
Quote from: bilsu on February 26, 2022, 10:38:46 AM
One year under Buzz, I believe we beat Louisville three times.
Not possible....
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 26, 2022, 07:24:37 AM
Why is it hard to beat a team three times? What does your data say?
Just a personal opinion...hard to beat a good team 3 times in one season...wheres your data??
Slightly dated, but I doubt much has changed since 2018:
According to STATS LLC., there have been 981 similar matchups across Division I college basketball over the past 10 seasons. The teams entering the third game 2-0 are a combined 710-271 (.724 winning percentage) in the third meeting.
So over a 10-year period in college basketball including almost 1,000 games, the team that won the first 2 games won the third meeting 72.4% of the time. So it clearly doesn't follow that it is hard to beat a team 3 times. In fact, it's actually kind of easy.
https://coachbobwalsh.com/2018/03/02/its-hard-to-beat-a-team-three-times/
Back to BET. It seems to me that our win eliminated Xavier from a chance at the 5 spot. If SH or SJ lose one more game they are eliminated. And one more win clinches it for us.
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on February 26, 2022, 03:39:20 PM
Back to BET. It seems to me that our win eliminated Xavier from a chance at the 5 spot. If SH or SJ lose one more game they are eliminated. And one more win clinches it for us.
I believe if we beat St. John's we clinch a Top 5 seed. If St. John's wins out that would include a win against MU giving St. John's the tiebreaker there. Beat St. John's.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 26, 2022, 06:36:17 PM
I believe if we beat St. John's we clinch a Top 5 seed. If St. John's wins out that would include a win against MU giving St. John's the tiebreaker there. Beat St. John's.
I believe a win vs. DePaul clinches the 5 seed as losing to St. Johns would result in 8 losses total vs. St. Johns' 9, even if they win their remaining games. We win a tiebreaker with Seton Hall.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 26, 2022, 06:48:52 PM
I believe a win vs. DePaul clinches the 5 seed as losing to St. Johns would result in 8 losses total vs. St. Johns' 9, even if they win their remaining games. We win a tiebreaker with Seton Hall.
Correct. One more win locks us into a top five seed.
Our magic number against both Hall and SJU is 1.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 26, 2022, 07:06:15 PM
Our magic number against both Hall and SJU is 1.
And if SH wins their remaining games and Creighton loses their remaining games, I think we are the 4 seed and SH the 5th, correct? I'm asking because it's easy to make a simple math error with the remaining scenarios.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 26, 2022, 07:06:15 PM
Our magic number against both Hall and SJU is 1.
(https://c.tenor.com/hRviJkMItYgAAAAM/its-as-simple-as-that-moira.gif)
TY
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 26, 2022, 06:48:52 PM
I believe a win vs. DePaul clinches the 5 seed as losing to St. Johns would result in 8 losses total vs. St. Johns' 9, even if they win their remaining games. We win a tiebreaker with Seton Hall.
I was thinking St. John's was 7-8.
Looks like they are 7-9 so that would be correct. Win 1 and we clinch a 1st round bye.
I expect a large MU crowd on Wednesday in Chicago. Let's clinch it then!
I'm rooting for a first BET game vs. Creighton. Time for some serious payback!
Quote from: EasyDuzIt on February 26, 2022, 02:24:34 PM
Just a personal opinion...hard to beat a good team 3 times in one season...wheres your data??
You said it was hard to beat a team 3 times. It's on you to support that argument, not JB who asked you for evidence.
EDIT: Here's the evidence, anyway. From 2009-2018, teams swept the regular season then played a third time 1,183 times. The team that won the first two went 849-344 in the third matchup, a 72% winning clip. So beating a team three times is actually far more likely than the sweeper dropping the third result.
https://twitter.com/hoopvision68/status/1102285710034432001?s=20&t=DZXKFlSX4PS47P-dQ1GRSw
Feels like 4v5 match-up against SHU is the most likely outcome.
Creighton has UConn and SHU at home but without Nembhard, it seems unlikely they win either.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 27, 2022, 10:44:23 AM
You said it was hard to beat a team 3 times. It's on you to support that argument, not JB who asked you for evidence.
EDIT: Here's the evidence, anyway. From 2009-2018, teams swept the regular season then played a third time 1,183 times. The team that won the first two went 849-344 in the third matchup, a 72% winning clip. So beating a team three times is actually far more likely than the sweeper dropping the third result.
https://twitter.com/hoopvision68/status/1102285710034432001?s=20&t=DZXKFlSX4PS47P-dQ1GRSw
Hmm...Gonzaga beating all those teams twice in their conference only to beat them the third time in the conference championship kind of makes that stat misleading. When it comes to MU vs the Bluejays that stat goes right out the window as we lost a game in 2OT that we should have won and lost by one on their home court that essentially we gave away. I'd say its 50/50 that we blow a third game against them. Now UCONN that's another story.
While watching the MU vs BU game they show a graphic of potential match ups for BET. I view the world through Valor Blue glasses, and I like our chances regardless of who we play. I saw the post offering data refuting the "hard to beat a team 3x's" I will concede that but I like MU vs CU as an opener in the BET. Just an opinion backed by no data.
Ring Out Ahoya!!! Go Warriors!!!
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 27, 2022, 11:21:44 AM
Hmm...Gonzaga beating all those teams twice in their conference only to beat them the third time in the conference championship kind of makes that stat misleading. When it comes to MU vs the Bluejays that stat goes right out the window as we lost a game in 2OT that we should have won and lost by one on their home court that essentially we gave away. I'd say its 50/50 that we blow a third game against them. Now UCONN that's another story.
I'm with you 69. This is where analytics clouds the truth. What transpired in the 2 games already played has a hell of a lot more to do with your chances in the third matchup than what a bunch of totally unrelated games/teams/circumstances do. There may be some correlation, but does anyone really think we can't beat a team we arguably should've beaten in both previous matchups THIS season, and most certainly should've split with, that has seven players left ostensibly?
Quote from: panda on February 26, 2022, 07:33:08 AM
"I majored in Business in undergrad...but I minored in 'snark'....I am right here ready to do battle...if you think it wise.
Here for the 2nd time. ...is the answer to your question... 'A losing coach should be seen and not heard. " I this this needs more explanation for you...if it is not clear...ask your daughters. A coach who has lost 2 games is going to be gracious in public...on social media....to the press....he wants sleeping dogs to stay asleep. Why would you do anything to motivate the winning team...'We will be ready this time!' 'If they think the can beat us again...they are nuts'.....I dont think you have ever heard this because...it does not happen.. and I have had the opportunity to talk to more coaches and I have never heard the losing team say something in public. Can the loser win game 3? Sure...that is why the winning team coaches are concerned . The object is to motivate your losing team....give them quiet confidence...and make adjustments if needed. Chances are that Team A is more talented...that is why they won games 1 and 2...if you can catch them with less motivation.... Just look at MU at Butler...vs MU vs Nova.... when MU has 40 min of hair on fire energy and can hit shots...MU is tough to beat....if MU sleep walks for 10min the 1H....they will make a nice comeback but fall short. That is what the coach from Team A is fearing....that is what Team B is hoping for...and if Team B is ready....they can win....hence the concern from the coaches...and coaches are by nature control freaks and paranoid...
Now...I hope you realize that I have just answered your question for the 2nd time...if there is still an issue...ask your daughters.."
I still don't get it. :)
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 27, 2022, 10:44:23 AM
You said it was hard to beat a team 3 times. It's on you to support that argument, not JB who asked you for evidence.
EDIT: Here's the evidence, anyway. From 2009-2018, teams swept the regular season then played a third time 1,183 times. The team that won the first two went 849-344 in the third matchup, a 72% winning clip. So beating a team three times is actually far more likely than the sweeper dropping the third result.
https://twitter.com/hoopvision68/status/1102285710034432001?s=20&t=DZXKFlSX4PS47P-dQ1GRSw
When faced with this reality, Mr. Dodds changed to saying that it's "harder" to beat a team for the third time than it was beating that team the first two times.
That makes it more subjective, but it still doesn't make sense.
The argument is that the team that lost the first two will be more motivated and will make adjustments. That seems to be easily countered with an argument that the team that won both games will be more confident and likely has better material with which to make adjustments. And the fact that third meetings almost always take place in a conference or NCAA tournament, it shouldn't be hard for either team to be motivated.
Personally I think the whole "it's hard to beat a team 3 times" is just coachspeak BS brought out by coaches trying to keep their team and fans from being complacent and by commentators to have something to talk about.
Quote from: wisblue on February 27, 2022, 11:34:36 AM
I still don't get it. :)
"My dad is a coach and I'm always right and everyone else is a buffoon! - Did I mention my dad is a coach?!"
Back to the BET my clear first choice for MU is to get the 4 or 5 seed, face Creighton in their first game with Providence or the 8/9 seed next.
I don't want MU to have to play Georgetown in a "nothing to gain" game, and then have to turn around in less than 24 hours to play the 3 seed, probably UConn.
MU can take a big step in that direction by beating DePaul to wrap up no worse than the 5 seed. I have more confidence that MU can beat DePaul than St. John's, Senior Day considerations notwithstanding.
I honestly ignore the "beating a team 3 times" factor in deciding who I'd like MU to face. MU could have/should have won either or both of the first two games with better execution and decision making in crunch time. But I think UConn might be the best team in the league and is a bad matchup for amU when they have Sanogo available. MU has beaten Nova twice, but they are just a good team that's hard to beat anytime. I'd still rather see MU face them over UConn.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 27, 2022, 11:21:44 AM
Hmm...Gonzaga beating all those teams twice in their conference only to beat them the third time in the conference championship kind of makes that stat misleading. When it comes to MU vs the Bluejays that stat goes right out the window as we lost a game in 2OT that we should have won and lost by one on their home court that essentially we gave away. I'd say its 50/50 that we blow a third game against them. Now UCONN that's another story.
1,183 instances and your response is to cite one team as though that's statistically significant? Thanks for telling me you don't know how numbers work.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 27, 2022, 12:17:35 PM
1,183 instances and your response is to cite one team as though that's statistically significant? Thanks for telling me you don't know how numbers work.
There are also a lot of people who think that if you toss heads on a coin twice in a row the "law of averages" (whatever that is) says you're more likely to toss a tails the next time because tossing 3 heads in a row is unlikely.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 27, 2022, 12:17:35 PM
1,183 instances and your response is to cite one team as though that's statistically significant? Thanks for telling me you don't know how numbers work.
Cliches don't care about your facts
Wow. I didn't even realize Seton Hall was right there...
Creighton may fall out of the top 5 and may actually be likely without Nembhard.
I'd rather face Creighton than Seton Hall.
DePauls win over St. John's guarantees that MU will not fall lower than the 6 seed.
The only way for MU to fall to 6 is if they lose their 2 games and Seton Hall wins both of theirs.
Quote from: wisblue on February 27, 2022, 06:19:24 PM
DePauls win over St. John's guarantees that MU will not fall lower than the 6 seed.
The only way for MU to fall to 6 is if they lose their 2 games and Seton Hall wins both of theirs.
The Warriors can easily lose their last 2 games if you saw the St John's-DePaul game today while SH plays G-Town and a weakened Creighton team.
Quote from: wisblue on February 27, 2022, 06:19:24 PM
DePauls win over St. John's guarantees that MU will not fall lower than the 6 seed.
Im looking for that guarantee that we dont fall lower than the FIVE seed.....thats the big one. Not falling lower than the six seed isn't exactly cause for celebration.
Quote from: wisblue on February 27, 2022, 06:19:24 PM
DePauls win over St. John's guarantees that MU will not fall lower than the 6 seed.
The only way for MU to fall to 6 is if they lose their 2 games and Seton Hall wins both of theirs.
The 6 seed is the absolute worst scenario. Freeman scored 39 points today, so please...no slow start on Wednesday. Seton Hall is well positioned to win out. I would really hate to see it come down to the St. Johns game.
Quote from: We R Final Four on February 27, 2022, 06:50:08 PM
Im looking for that guarantee that we dont fall lower than the FIVE seed.....thats the big one. Not falling lower than the six seed isn't exactly cause for celebration.
Agree.
To avoid the 6 all MU has to do is win 1 of its 2 games.
If we assume that Seton Hall will win at home over Georgetown, and UConn will win at home over DePaul, the only other games that can affect MU's seeding are Creighton's games at home against UConn and Seton Hall.
If I am looking at this right, MU's possible landing spots are:
4 seed with Seton Hall as the 5 (MU wins 1 or 2 and Creighton loses 2)
5 seed with Creighton as 4 (Creighton splits its 2 games, regardless of what MU does UNLESS MU loses its 2 and Creighton's loss is to SH.
5 seed with UConn as 4 (Creighton beats both UConn and SH regardless of what MU does)
6 seed with GU at 11 and UConn at 3. (MU loses 2 and SH beats Creighton).
Quote from: AlienWarrior on February 27, 2022, 06:29:20 PM
Quote from: wisblue on February 27, 2022, 06:19:24 PM
DePauls win over St. John's guarantees that MU will not fall lower than the 6 seed.
The only way for MU to fall to 6 is if they lose their 2 games and Seton Hall wins both of theirs.
The Warriors can easily lose their last 2 games if you saw the St John's-DePaul game today while SH plays G-Town and a weakened Creighton team.
Forgot what a dumbass you are. Lol
Quote from: wisblue on February 27, 2022, 07:19:18 PM
Agree.
To avoid the 6 all MU has to do is win 1 of its 2 games.
If we assume that Seton Hall will win at home over Georgetown, and UConn will win at home over DePaul, the only other games that can affect MU's seeding are Creighton's games at home against UConn and Seton Hall.
If I am looking at this right, MU's possible landing spots are:
4 seed with Seton Hall as the 5 (MU wins 1 or 2 and Creighton loses 2)
5 seed with Creighton as 4 (Creighton splits its 2 games, regardless of what MU does UNLESS MU loses its 2 and Creighton's loss is to SH.
5 seed with UConn as 4 (Creighton beats both UConn and SH regardless of what MU does)
6 seed with GU at 11 and UConn at 3. (MU loses 2 and SH beats Creighton).
Thanks for this!
Quote from: murara1994 on February 27, 2022, 08:39:15 PM
Forgot what a dumbass you are. Lol
The way this was quoted made it look like I said that MU could easily lose its last two games.
The record will show otherwise.
Three paths to Marquette securing the 5 seed:
MU beats DePaul on Wednesday. Seton Hall loses the road game @ Creighton on Saturday (C lost the first game by 19). MU beats St. Johns on Saturday.
After watching the DP-SJ game, your thoughts?
To simplify the discussion, I've eliminated the chance of Georgetown beating Seton Hall on the road on Wednesday, even though it is technically possible.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 28, 2022, 07:34:27 AM
Three paths to Marquette securing the 5 seed:
MU beats DePaul on Wednesday. Seton Hall loses the road game @ Creighton on Saturday (C lost the first game by 19). MU beats St. Johns on Saturday.
After watching the DP-SJ game, your thoughts?
To simplify the discussion, I've eliminated the chance of Georgetown beating Seton Hall on the road on Wednesday, even though it is technically possible.
SHU at Creighton could go either way.
But imo will not matter at all. I expect us to take care of our own business. Take both. Finish 12-7 and a 20 win season before any post season is played.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 28, 2022, 07:46:43 AM
SHU at Creighton could go either way.
But imo will not matter at all. I expect us to take care of our own business. Take both. Finish 12-7 and a 20 win season before any post season is played.
Depaul looked pretty good yesterday. Definitely a game we can win if we play well, but going to need to play well. Hanging 99 on any high major in regulation is impressive.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 28, 2022, 07:49:45 AM
Depaul looked pretty good yesterday. Definitely a game we can win if we play well, but going to need to play well. Hanging 99 on any high major in regulation is impressive.
Oh absolutely, I think this DePaul team is pretty under rated in that they have two truly legit players and rebound the ball well.
They also as we saw in our first game with them, do not play defense much. Im just confident Wednesday will be the game we really click and put it back together(then again I thoguht that Saturday and it was scary for a while).
My prediction is we win out this week. Neither are a lock though.
If we lose to DePaul, my mood is going to be blue! Blue, I say!
with 2 DP players accounting for 60 points vs. St.J, let's hope our defense is at its best.
Freeman's drives to the basket were blurs at times. Damn he's fast!
The only thing I can say with certainty about Wednesday's game at DePaul is that DePaul's coach will be yelling a lot of one-word commands from the bench. All game long.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on February 28, 2022, 09:36:07 AM
The only thing I can say with certainty about Wednesday's game at DePaul is that DePaul's coach will be yelling a lot of one-word commands from the bench. All game long.
"Blue blue" is 2 words.
"Regular blue, not blue blue" is 5 words.
Will be interesting Cooley's strategy tomorrow. Rest guys a bit, or go for the (unlikely) victory lap @ Nova?
The DePaul SJU game was something to watch. Some great playing on both teams but Freeman Liberty - ww what a player. Fast and smooth. Think we will have our hands full on Wednesday. Need to create lots of turnovers and not turn it over ourselves. And establish an inside game quickly to open up clean threes.
Go Marquette!
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 28, 2022, 10:47:49 AM
Will be interesting Cooley's strategy tomorrow. Rest guys a bit, or go for the (unlikely) victory lap @ Nova?
They may have their BET seed locked up but they still have an NCAAT seed to compete for
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 28, 2022, 10:47:49 AM
Will be interesting Cooley's strategy tomorrow. Rest guys a bit, or go for the (unlikely) victory lap @ Nova?
I don't think this is even a question. They are still playing for seeding.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 28, 2022, 10:59:51 AM
They may have their BET seed locked up but they still have an NCAAT seed to compete for
Quote from: BM1090 on February 28, 2022, 11:00:11 AM
I don't think this is even a question. They are still playing for seeding.
Sure, but they could cruise to an expected 10pt loss and it wouldn't affect their numbers. Sure nobody want's to lose, but if you're down late, I don't see them demanding max effort.
Quote from: MU82 on February 28, 2022, 10:13:34 AM
"Blue blue" is 2 words.
"Regular blue, not blue blue" is 5 words.
He could go Cyan this time, try to confuse MU
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 28, 2022, 12:18:11 PM
He could go Cyan this time, try to confuse MU
If we hear "valour blue!" we know he's trying to sabotage the MU-Jordan partnership.
"TEAL, TEAL!"
Quote from: MU82 on February 28, 2022, 10:13:34 AM
"Blue blue" is 2 words.
"Regular blue, not blue blue" is 5 words.
Lol—-blue blue......wait no just regular blue!
I couldnt believe what I was hearing when he was miked up.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 28, 2022, 07:46:43 AM
SHU at Creighton could go either way.
But imo will not matter at all. I expect us to take care of our own business. Take both. Finish 12-7 and a 20 win season before any post season is played.
Are you forgetting that Wednesday is DePaul's Senior Night , and that is going to make them tough to beat?
Quote from: wisblue on February 28, 2022, 01:37:58 PM
Are you forgetting that Wednesday is DePaul's Senior Night , and that is going to make them tough to beat?
That does absolutely nothing to change the fact that I think we should and will win.
Quote from: wisblue on February 28, 2022, 01:37:58 PM
Are you forgetting that Wednesday is DePaul's Senior Night , and that is going to make them tough to beat?
So will it be a regular blue out, or a blue-blue out?
I wonder what kind of Christmas Stubblefield had?
Elvis could tell you.
If the game turns out the way I think and hope it will, I want to hear Stubblefield say "well, we blue it!".
I tried to work through the possibilities for MU in terms of BET seeding. I think I got it covered but let me know if I butchered anything.
Did not realize how high the probability of facing Hall is as they have Georgetown and then Creighton, and will have the tiebreaker over the Jays should they win.
http://painttouches.com/2022/02/28/big-east-tournament-seeding-scenarios/ (http://painttouches.com/2022/02/28/big-east-tournament-seeding-scenarios/)
Recent MU-SHU matchups in the BET have been Must-See TV. I'm still chapped about the way Myles Powell fouled out and then after much hand-wringing, the refs decided "oh, never mind," and allowed him back in the game.
I'd really just like to play Creighton. UCONN is a horrid matchup for us and while I'd much prefer Hall over UCONN, I don't have a ton of of confidence we'd beat Hall at the Garden. They most certainly hate our guts with our two games against them and the Aiken deal.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 01, 2022, 11:08:30 AM
I'd really just like to play Creighton. UCONN is a horrid matchup for us and while I'd much prefer Hall over UCONN, I don't have a ton of of confidence we'd beat Hall at the Garden. They most certainly hate our guts with our two games against them and the Aiken deal.
Eh ... tell 'em to shaddup or we'll have Greg elbow Rhoden, Cale and Richmond in their faces, too!
Quote from: MU82 on March 01, 2022, 11:21:12 AM
Eh ... tell 'em to shaddup or we'll have Greg elbow Rhoden, Cale and Richmond in their faces, too!
Too bad we do not have Theo to do it.
Quote from: pux90mex on March 01, 2022, 08:46:55 AM
I tried to work through the possibilities for MU in terms of BET seeding. I think I got it covered but let me know if I butchered anything.
Did not realize how high the probability of facing Hall is as they have Georgetown and then Creighton, and will have the tiebreaker over the Jays should they win.
http://painttouches.com/2022/02/28/big-east-tournament-seeding-scenarios/ (http://painttouches.com/2022/02/28/big-east-tournament-seeding-scenarios/)
Thank you for the link.
When I looked at this on Sunday and posted above, I narrowed down all of the scenarios to the ones that account for what I think are almost all of the realistic possibilities.
In short I assumed that Seton Hall will beat Georgetown and UConn will beat DePaul.
When you do that you trim down the possibilities to just 12. MU going 2-0, 1-1 or 0-2 combined with the four possible combinations of outcomes in the two Creighton games against UConn and Seton Hall.
When I did this I found that MUs seeding is exactly the same whether they win 1 game or two and that narrowed the possibilities down to 8.
This will all be made a lot clearer tomorrow night, especially if MU can beat DePaul. Then there would only be 2 likely outcomes: MU would get either the 4 or 5 seed (which are effectively identical) and the Creighton- Seton Hall game would decide who MU would play.
The Connecticut-De Paul game might be a factor, but only if UConn loses to Creighton. A UConn win tomorrow likely locks them into the #3 spot with a slim chance at #2 if Villanova loses twice.
Just focusing on tomorrow I'll be rooting for wins by MU (of course) and UConn to guarantee MU the bye and keep UConn and Nova in the other half of the bracket.
MU loses to SJU and Hall beats Creighton and we're the 6 correct?
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 02, 2022, 10:18:15 PM
MU loses to SJU and Hall beats Creighton and we're the 6 correct?
Yes. Get ready for it.
what scenario has to happen to face CU
Quote from: Johnny B on March 02, 2022, 10:20:44 PM
what scenario has to happen to face CU
I think if Creighton wins we are guaranteed the 5, and Creighton the 4. If Hall beats Creighton, we have to win to face Creighton and get the bye.
Quote from: Johnny B on March 02, 2022, 10:20:44 PM
what scenario has to happen to face CU
Win. UConn also win or Creighton lose
Quote from: Johnny B on March 02, 2022, 10:20:44 PM
what scenario has to happen to face CU
We win next game
Or, if we play like this vs. SJU and fall to sixth, we would get Creighton.
Of course, we'd have to get by Georgetown first.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on March 02, 2022, 10:29:08 PM
Or, if we play like this vs. SJU and fall to sixth, we would get Creighton.
Of course, we'd have to get by Georgetown first.
Or if SH loses to Creighton no matta
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 02, 2022, 10:18:15 PM
MU loses to SJU and Hall beats Creighton and we're the 6 correct?
I actually think we're pretty likely to play UCONN in the 4/5 game if we win Sat.
UCONN and Creighton are tied at 12-6. Creighton swept UCONN. So if UCONN wins vs. Depaul, Creighton beats Seton Hall, and we beat SJU, Creighton is the 3, UCONN the 4, and MU the 5. We face UCONN. Ugh.
To play Creighton, we need Seton Hall to beat them, and MU to win.
Basically destiny is still in MU's hands to get the bye we have the tiebreaker over Seton Hall. But a lot of ugly scenarios for MU after last nights brutality.
I guess the good news is we'll know by the time we get to tipoff on Saturday. I think the ideal would probably be to draw Creighton in the 4/5 game, but while it might seem blasphemous, the next best case might be falling to the 6, playing Georgetown, then advancing to see 3-seed Creighton with a Villanova team we've beaten twice likely next up. I want to be as far from UConn as possible.
Can someone provide the possible scenarios for the BET based upon the outcomes of Saturday's games:
SH @ CU
DeP @ UCONN
STJ @ MU.
I understand we are 5 or 6. I understand we could play CU, UCONN or Georgetown.
Thank you
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 03, 2022, 09:15:50 AM
I guess the good news is we'll know by the time we get to tipoff on Saturday. I think the ideal would probably be to draw Creighton in the 4/5 game, but while it might seem blasphemous, the next best case might be falling to the 6, playing Georgetown, then advancing to see 3-seed Creighton with a Villanova team we've beaten twice likely next up. I want to be as far from UConn as possible.
I'm more worried about winning Saturday than opponent next week.
I prioritize winning Saturday to avoid the bubble, over getting an advantageous matchup next week.
Interesting article in Bleacher Report picking alll of the Conference Tournament Champions... For the Big East, believe it or not, they picked MU ! ! ! 8-)
Quote from: Ardmore Mug on March 03, 2022, 10:25:05 AM
Interesting article in Bleacher Report picking alll of the Conference Tournament Champions... For the Big East, believe it or not, they picked MU ! ! ! 8-)
Was it written in January? :P
Nope ! ! ! Dated March 3 ! ! ! He even includes CU's loss of Nembhard ! !! 8-)
Someone's gotta win it--might as well be us!!
So if we win or SH loses we're #5? Go Blue Jays!
Quote from: 1SE on March 05, 2022, 08:13:51 AM
So if we win or SH loses we're #5? Go Blue Jays!
I don't think that's the best case scenario unless you're rooting for MU to face UCONN, prob worst matchup in the league.
Best case scenario is MU beats SJU, Creighton beats Hall and UCONN beats Depaul. Finishes 3. UConn, 4. Creighton, 5. MU and 6. SHU.
If Creighton beats hall, Creighton gets 3 seed and UCONN 4 which isn't ideal at all assuming MU wins today.
But yes, MU has tiebreaker over Hall so if they both lose, MU is the 5.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 05, 2022, 09:30:06 AM
I don't think that's the best case scenario unless you're rooting for MU to face UCONN, prob worst matchup in the league.
Best case scenario is MU beats SJU, Creighton beats Hall and UCONN beats Depaul. Finishes 3. UConn, 4. Creighton, 5. MU and 6. SHU.
In that scenario, Creighton would be the 3, since they own the tie breaker with 2 wins over UCONN.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 05, 2022, 09:30:06 AM
I don't think that's the best case scenario unless you're rooting for MU to face UCONN, prob worst matchup in the league.
Best case scenario is MU beats SJU, Creighton beats Hall and UCONN beats Depaul. Finishes 3. UConn, 4. Creighton, 5. MU and 6. SHU.
I think you mean Hall beats Creighton
The SHU-CU game is big for them, and big for MU seeding in BET. It would be nice, of course, to avoid a Wed. game. I am with some of the others here in that the sooner I don't see UConn, the happier I will be.
To that end, I will be a big Hall fan today. If they won, it would drop CU to the 4-spot. Then we would have to win to stay in the 5. The bad news is that if CU wins, UConn will be the 4, and we won't be able to get behind SHU and will see UConn in our opener. If the Hall wins, and we don't, then it's Hello, Georgetown and if we get by them UConn will be next. That would be the worst - a Wed. game AND UConn. I think the best scenario is for SHU and MU to register W's today. That would give us another crack at Creighton and put UConn in the other half of the bracket. It would also most likely involve us playing PC again, and keep UConn and Nova where we couldn't see either 'til Saturday.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on March 05, 2022, 01:19:51 PM
The SHU-CU game is big for them, and big for MU seeding in BET. It would be nice, of course, to avoid a Wed. game. I am with some of the others here in that the sooner I don't see UConn, the happier I will be.
To that end, I will be a big Hall fan today. If they won, it would drop CU to the 4-spot. Then we would have to win to stay in the 5. The bad news is that if CU wins, UConn will be the 4, and we won't be able to get behind SHU and will see UConn in our opener. If the Hall wins, and we don't, then it's Hello, Georgetown and if we get by them UConn will be next. That would be the worst - a Wed. game AND UConn. I think the best scenario is for SHU and MU to register W's today. That would give us another crack at Creighton and put UConn in the other half of the bracket. It would also most likely involve us playing PC again, and keep UConn and Nova where we couldn't see either 'til Saturday.
To me worst scenario is playing Georgetown, we have nothing to win and even beating them could hurt us.
I don't think our style matches well w/ St Johns since we both play fast. Unless we hit a good bunch of 3's, I don't like our chances. Also, St Johns has been playing well on the road lately even in their loss at DePaul.
The path for Marquette to miss the NCAA Tournament has just opened up 👀
Lose to St. John's and we play Georgetown. Lose to Georgetown and we get the NIT.
Maybe not likely, but the path has just opened up.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 05, 2022, 03:28:49 PM
The path for Marquette to miss the NCAA Tournament has just opened up 👀
Lose to St. John's and we play Georgetown. Lose to Georgetown and we get the NIT.
Maybe not likely, but the path has just opened up.
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Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 05, 2022, 03:28:49 PM
The path for Marquette to miss the NCAA Tournament has just opened up 👀
Lose to St. John's and we play Georgetown. Lose to Georgetown and we get the NIT.
Maybe not likely, but the path has just opened up.
Snores
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 05, 2022, 03:28:49 PMLose to St. John's and we play Georgetown. Lose to Georgetown and we get the NIT.
Maybe not likely, but the path has just opened up.
Maybe, but not sure I agree. Right now, San Francisco, Notre Dame, North Carolina, and Wyoming are in according to 95+% of the bracketmatrix. None have Marquette's quality of wins & all have at least one bad loss. If a BYU, Florida, or Rutgers, who also all have bad losses and lesser wins (RU is similar in wins but with terrible losses) get in, they have to pass all of them before they knock us out.
After DePaul, I was worried about our win total. I wouldn't quite say we're a lock yet, but we're in better shape by far than any of those 7, and 4 of those teams will be in. We can probably lose to St John's and Georgetown and still be in.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 05, 2022, 03:28:49 PM
The path for Marquette to miss the NCAA Tournament has just opened up 👀
Lose to St. John's and we play Georgetown. Lose to Georgetown and we get the NIT.
Maybe not likely, but the path has just opened up.
My first impression upon reading the bolded was that you are looking forward to the possibility of Marquette missing the NCAAT. Freudian slip?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 05, 2022, 03:28:49 PM
The path for Marquette to miss the NCAA Tournament has just opened up 👀
Lose to St. John's and we play Georgetown. Lose to Georgetown and we get the NIT.
Maybe not likely, but the path has just opened up.
No it hasn't.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 05, 2022, 04:31:01 PM
My first impression upon reading the bolded was that you are looking forward to the possibility of Marquette missing the NCAAT. Freudian slip?
Nah. He's a troll.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 05, 2022, 04:10:46 PM
Maybe, but not sure I agree. Right now, San Francisco, Notre Dame, North Carolina, and Wyoming are in according to 95+% of the bracketmatrix. None have Marquette's quality of wins & all have at least one bad loss. If a BYU, Florida, or Rutgers, who also all have bad losses and lesser wins (RU is similar in wins but with terrible losses) get in, they have to pass all of them before they knock us out.
After DePaul, I was worried about our win total. I wouldn't quite say we're a lock yet, but we're in better shape by far than any of those 7, and 4 of those teams will be in. We can probably lose to St John's and Georgetown and still be in.
Agreed, but the possibility has just crept up.
Regardless of if we make it or not, playing Georgetown is the worst outcome. Gotta win tonight.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 05, 2022, 05:25:42 PM
Agreed, but the possibility has just crept up.
Regardless of if we make it or not, playing Georgetown is the worst outcome. Gotta win tonight.
Farts
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 05, 2022, 05:25:42 PM
Agreed, but the possibility has just crept up.
Regardless of if we make it or not, playing Georgetown is the worst outcome. Gotta win tonight.
COLE
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 05, 2022, 03:28:49 PM
The path for Marquette to miss the NCAA Tournament has just opened up 👀
Lose to St. John's and we play Georgetown. Lose to Georgetown and we get the NIT.
Maybe not likely, but the path has just opened up.
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Does creighton need to beat us to make it in? Let's slam the door in their dreams after those two in season losses
Quote from: 1SE on March 05, 2022, 11:01:36 PM
Does creighton need to beat us to make it in? Let's slam the door in their dreams after those two in season losses
They are 100% in
X is the team that needs to make sure they beat Butler to avoid massive sweating
My crew and I are pleased that we don't play at 9:30 Wednesday night. I never really cared who we played so long as we weren't playing Wednesday.
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Getting my prediction in now. Marquette loses in the finals against UCONN.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 06, 2022, 12:19:04 AM
Getting my prediction in now. Marquette loses in the finals against UCONN.
I'm feeling this as well. I love our path.
Quote from: 1SE on March 05, 2022, 11:01:36 PM
Does creighton need to beat us to make it in? Let's slam the door in their dreams after those two in season losses
I guess I'll be posting exclusively on this board for the postseason.
I have been banned from the other site because I apparently violated Vladimir Dodds' rule that you can't mention Senior Day unless it's to say that Senior Day always makes a team harder to play because it creates an electric atmosphere that turns otherwise indifferent teams into raging tigers.
He took offense to my chuckling about Coach K's loss on what should be called Super Senior Day.
Anyway, I'm not sure that Creighton needs to beat MU to get an NCAA bid, but if I were them I would be approaching it like they do need a win.
That might help them overcome the complacency that they would ordinarily have because they have already beaten MU twice. As we know, because coaches often say it, that makes it hard for CU to beat MU for a third time.
In 16 previous BE seasons, MU has never played in the BET championship game. It would be nice.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 06, 2022, 12:19:04 AM
Getting my prediction in now. Marquette loses in the finals against UCONN.
COLE
Sickie Dimpkins picks us to win the BET.
I have a flight home from NYC early Saturday afternoon. May need to change my flight if we win Friday night
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 06, 2022, 10:07:46 AM
I have a flight home from NYC early Saturday afternoon. May need to change my flight if we win Friday night
You better or your next nickname will be Joey soft.
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 06, 2022, 10:07:46 AM
I have a flight home from NYC early Saturday afternoon. May need to change my flight if we win Friday night
Write the airline a letter.
Quote from: real chili 83 on March 06, 2022, 10:06:29 AM
Sickie Dimpkins picks us to win the BET.
Well, cr*p. I had high hopes for us. Eventually he has to be not wrong on something, right?
Quote from: pbiflyer on March 06, 2022, 10:44:02 AM
Well, cr*p. I had high hopes for us. Eventually he has to be not wrong on something, right?
Herman swears by him.
Quote from: Newsdreams on March 06, 2022, 10:46:01 AM
Herman swears by him.
You gonna invite Herman to your beer summit with JB in NYC?
Quote from: real chili 83 on March 06, 2022, 10:47:36 AM
You gonna invite Herman to your beer summit with JB in NYC?
Def not....don't hang around the dead.
Quote from: Newsdreams on March 06, 2022, 10:46:01 AM
Herman swears by him.
Most of swear by Dickie Simpkins. Or at least at him.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 06, 2022, 11:05:42 AM
Most of swear by Dickie Simpkins. Or at least at him.
Hash tag truth, hash tag accurate, hash tag annoying.......
Welcome to the club of being kicked off Dodd's boarding for mocking him. I enjoyed your approach as a proxy for me. I got kicked off finally when asked "am I in time for the excuse making" after a particularly bad Wojo loss (among the many).
I was looking forward to "the how hard it is to win against an opponent three times in a row" this week now that MU is on the opposite side of Dodd's argument.
Quote from: wisblue on March 06, 2022, 08:26:21 AM
I guess I'll be posting exclusively on this board for the postseason.
I have been banned from the other site because I apparently violated Vladimir Dodds' rule that you can't mention Senior Day unless it's to say that Senior Day always makes a team harder to play because it creates an electric atmosphere that turns otherwise indifferent teams into raging tigers.
He took offense to my chuckling about Coach K's loss on what should be called Super Senior Day.
Anyway, I'm not sure that Creighton needs to beat MU to get an NCAA bid, but if I were them I would be approaching it like they do need a win.
That might help them overcome the complacency that they would ordinarily have because they have already beaten MU twice. As we know, because coaches often say it, that makes it hard for CU to beat MU for a third time.
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 06, 2022, 10:07:46 AM
I have a flight home from NYC early Saturday afternoon. May need to change my flight if we win Friday night
Who will pay for that, though?
My wife and I bought tickets for Wednesday along with our other tickets. We'll see at least some if not all of the action on Wednesday, but it's so nice to know that Marquette will not be playing then. I was trying very hard to block out the thought of playing Georgetown on Wednesday when we were deciding whether or not to go.
I think we have a good chance to win the Creighton game and the (likely) Providence semifinal game as well. If so, it will be interesting to see how we do vs. (likely) Nova or (please, please no!) UCONN.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 06, 2022, 11:53:54 AM
My wife and I bought tickets for Wednesday along with our other tickets. We'll see at least some if not all of the action on Wednesday, but it's so nice to know that Marquette will not be playing then. I was trying very hard to block out the thought of playing Georgetown on Wednesday when we were deciding whether or not to go.
I think we have a good chance to win the Creighton game and the (likely) Providence semifinal game as well. If so, it will be interesting to see how we do vs. (likely) Nova or (please, please no!) UCONN.
Funny enough I actually think if lucky enough to be in the finals I might like our chances more against Uconn in that scenario.
Uconn isnt a great offensive team or as all around sound as Nova. On a 3rd straight game that might make them more ripe for a off game.
Weve swept Nova sure, but I dont like the chance in a saturday at MSG vs them.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 06, 2022, 12:06:44 PM
Funny enough I actually think if lucky enough to be in the finals I might like our chances more against Uconn in that scenario.
Uconn isnt a great offensive team or as all around sound as Nova. On a 3rd straight game that might make them more ripe for a off game.
Weve swept Nova sure, but I dont like the chance in a saturday at MSG vs them.
Interesting take PG. It's just I remember how in both games vs. Nova that typically unflappable Gillespie seemed really rattled by Marquette. Sanogo is a (expletives deleted) nightmare vs. Marquette and some other BE teams as well. If we end up in the championship game vs. one of those two teams, who knows? We just might pull it off.
The best part for now is that we are speculating as a 5 seed, not needing to play Wednesday to face a fresh, rested opponent (probably UCONN).
On Inside the Big East, Steve Lavin predicted that Marquette and Nova would be in the final with Nova winning. Rob Stone predicted UCONN to win it all, but I do not remember him naming an opponent. Lavin credited Marquette's depth vs. Creighton as one of the reasons he picked us to win.
https://twitter.com/hoopvision68/status/1500866046168907783?s=21
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 07, 2022, 10:32:38 AM
https://twitter.com/hoopvision68/status/1500866046168907783?s=21
30% of the time it's REALLY hard to beat a team 3 times in a row.
So are you saying MU is doomed against Creighton?
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 07, 2022, 10:40:03 AM
30% of the time it's REALLY hard to beat a team 3 times in a row.
So are you saying MU is doomed against Creighton?
I'm saying it's time to bring Brian Wardle home
Matt Norlander on the Eye on College Basketball podcast picked Marquette to beat Crieghton and upset Providence en route to the Big Easy title game, but to lose to UConn.
I'd pretty pretty pleased with that outcome.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 07, 2022, 10:55:32 AM
I'm saying it's time to bring Brian Wardle home
Actually it would be much better to bring Uncle Pico home with his vastly superior coaching knowledge.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 07, 2022, 04:35:52 PM
Actually it would be much better to bring Uncle Pico home with his vastly superior coaching knowledge.
You have way more coaching knowledge than me.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 07, 2022, 04:38:41 PM
You have way more coaching knowledge than me.
Then we are in agreement. We are both elite. You have convinced me.
I really like Marquette's route to win the BET this year.
An undermanned Creighton, a so-so Providence team, Nova/UConn.
Also everyone is picking Nova to win it and Seton Hall to be the sleeper while everyone forgets about Marquette. Honestly, this may sound weird, but being a forgotten team that is a lock for the tournament is kind of a spot I love being in.
Saw Seton Hall is 2 seed lines ahead of Marquette in some brackets which makes 0 sense when looking at resumes but this week is a perfect time to be the forgotten team that gets hot again.
Cautiously optimistic and excited!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 07, 2022, 11:11:28 PM
Saw Seton Hall is 2 seed lines ahead of Marquette in some brackets which makes 0 sense when looking at resumes but this week is a perfect time to be the forgotten team that gets hot again.
Seeding is different than selection. When it comes to seeding, the best predictor is lining up the average of a team's resume metric average and quality metric average. That number gives you the expected seed line, but ordering all the teams by that number comes up correct within one line 85% of the time.
Seton Hall's resume average is 28.5 and resume average is 32. That 30.25 average is 29th best and equates to an 8-seed, though anywhere from 7-9 would be reasonable. Marquette's resume average is 34 and quality average is 45.3. That 39.65 average is 36th best and equates to a 9-seed, though anywhere from 8-10 would be reasonable.
I'll also note that SHU's position is closer to the 7 line than the 9, while Marquette is closer to the 10 than the 8. I have Seton Hall one line ahead, but 2 makes sense and even 3 wouldn't be crazy. Remember, head to head only comes into play when the resumes are too close to call, and SHU's numbers are far ahead of ours.
For those interested in TV coverage, looks like the entire Big East tournament will be carried by Fox Sports in 4K.
The Butler/Xavier game appeared on the guide on YouTube TV yesterday as upcoming programming on Fox Sports 4K. A little more digging shows they're going to broadcast the entire Big East Tournament in 4K, along with the Big Ten and Pac 12 tournaments.
MU is 12-15 all time in the BET. Time to get back to 500 this year.
Based on past experience, The Garden will be full of U -Conn fans. Seton Hall fans show up in all their drunken splendor as well. That eventual 3-6 game between The Huskies and The Hall should be a very good one.
Quote from: MDMU04 on March 08, 2022, 08:28:14 AM
For those interested in TV coverage, looks like the entire Big East tournament will be carried by Fox Sports in 4K.
The Butler/Xavier game appeared on the guide on YouTube TV yesterday as upcoming programming on Fox Sports 4K. A little more digging shows they're going to broadcast the entire Big East Tournament in 4K, along with the Big Ten and Pac 12 tournaments.
Yup. Disappointing to read upscaled, but may make the 30 day free trial of YTTV 4k+ worth it.
https://tvanswerman.com/2022/03/07/fox-to-stream-pac-12-big-east-big-ten-tournaments-in-4k/
QuoteThe Big East coverage in 4K will begin March 9 with first round games at 4:30 p.m., 7 p.m. and 9:30 p.m. ET. On March 10, Fox will stream four quarterfinals games in 4K at noon, 2:30 p.m., 7 p.m. and 9:30 p.m. ET. On March 11, the network will stream the semifinals in 4K at 6:30 p.m. and 9 p.m. ET. And on March 12, Fox will offer the Big East final in 4K at 6:30 p.m. ET.
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The pay TV services that are expected to carry the tournament games on special 4K channels are DIRECTV, Dish, Comcast, Verizon, Optimum, YouTube TV, and FuboTV. (In markets where the Fox affiliate is provided with your programming package.) Check your on-screen guide for more details.
Fox will simulcast the 4K games in HD on FS1, Fox and the Big Ten Network.
Note: Fox's 4K broadcasts are upscaled from 1080p HDR. Upscaling is the process when one video format is converted to another. Fox takes the 1080p HDR signal and converts it to a 4K format. Upscaling 4K is not considered as good as native 4K, but the inclusion of HDR can offer heightened colors and vividness.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on March 07, 2022, 04:16:12 PM
Matt Norlander on the Eye on College Basketball podcast picked Marquette to beat Crieghton and upset Providence en route to the Big Easy title game, but to lose to UConn.
I'd pretty pretty pleased with that outcome.
Marquette already lost 1 Title game this year in Charleston. If they make it to the title game on Saturday against UConn I think they pull it off!
Getting to the title game is the tough part and beating Nova a 3rd time would be even tougher.
I want MU/UConn in the title.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 08, 2022, 08:59:01 AM
MU is 12-15 all time in the BET. Time to get back to 500 this year.
Shocked its not worse.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 08, 2022, 05:13:15 AM
Seeding is different than selection. When it comes to seeding, the best predictor is lining up the average of a team's resume metric average and quality metric average. That number gives you the expected seed line, but ordering all the teams by that number comes up correct within one line 85% of the time.
Seton Hall's resume average is 28.5 and resume average is 32. That 30.25 average is 29th best and equates to an 8-seed, though anywhere from 7-9 would be reasonable. Marquette's resume average is 34 and quality average is 45.3. That 39.65 average is 36th best and equates to a 9-seed, though anywhere from 8-10 would be reasonable.
I'll also note that SHU's position is closer to the 7 line than the 9, while Marquette is closer to the 10 than the 8. I have Seton Hall one line ahead, but 2 makes sense and even 3 wouldn't be crazy. Remember, head to head only comes into play when the resumes are too close to call, and SHU's numbers are far ahead of ours.
Well then hopefully we get a good matchup round 1 and a 2nd round matchup with Baylor!
Baylor lacks size and depth that the other 1 seeds all have.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 08, 2022, 09:46:57 AM
Marquette already lost 1 Title game this year in Charleston. If they make it to the title game on Saturday against UConn I think they pull it off!
Getting to the title game is the tough part and beating Nova a 3rd time would be even tougher.
I want MU/UConn in the title.
When we get to the title game, it won't matter to me who our opponent is!
What is Marquette's record in games broadcast in 4K?
Quote from: BrewCity83 on March 08, 2022, 04:43:41 PM
What is Marquette's record in games broadcast in 4K?
Could be wrong, but I think we're winless in 4k. doomed! But, since it's just upscaled 1080, perhaps we have a chance.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 08, 2022, 09:46:57 AM
Marquette already lost 1 Title game this year in Charleston. If they make it to the title game on Saturday against UConn I think they pull it off!
Getting to the title game is the tough part and beating Nova a 3rd time would be even tougher.
I want MU/UConn in the title.
Sounds COLE like
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 08, 2022, 08:59:01 AM
MU is 12-15 all time in the BET. Time to get back to 500 this year.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 08, 2022, 09:48:59 AM
Shocked its not worse.
Nah. 12-15 sounds about right. Usually we don't show up in game 1 and go home early. Sometimes we win a cupcake in Rd 1 but then we flop in game two. I can only think of one year when we won two games, which was '08, the year I was there in the pep band. Zero three-win tournaments and no finals appearances. That all adds up to slightly below .500
Quote from: SaveOD238 on March 08, 2022, 10:22:36 PM
Nah. 12-15 sounds about right. Usually we don't show up in game 1 and go home early. Sometimes we win a cupcake in Rd 1 but then we flop in game two. I can only think of one year when we won two games, which was '08, the year I was there in the pep band. Zero three-win tournaments and no finals appearances. That all adds up to slightly below .500
Lazars senior year we won 2 and then got pasted by Gtown.
The next year we won two to help us get that 11 seed and start our sweet 16 runs.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 08, 2022, 10:50:06 PM
Lazars senior year we won 2 and then got pasted by Gtown.
The next year we won two to help us get that 11 seed and start our sweet 16 runs.
Can't remember what year exactly but I recall another year close to there where I thought MU had a shot to win the BET and they got blitzed by Notre Dame.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 09, 2022, 12:49:48 AM
Can't remember what year exactly but I recall another year close to there where I thought MU had a shot to win the BET and they got blitzed by Notre Dame.
2013 I won free court side tickets to every game that year and after that only used them for the Cuse vs Ville championship game because I was so upset
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 09, 2022, 08:40:31 AM
2013 I won free court side tickets to every game that year and after that only used them for the Cuse vs Ville championship game because I was so upset
Damn!
They were just resting up for the Elite 8 run though!
In '19, there was a team send off event outside the team's hotel before the St. Johns game. Any
body know about one before Thursday's game?
I haven't received any info as of yet and my surmise is that perhaps Covid has impacted such things.