Did we get any explanation as to why Kolek sat so much in the second half yesterday? I'm 100% all in on Shaka, yet I'd like to hear what the thinking was on not having him on the floor down the stretch.
When asked at the press conference about Kolek sitting, Shaka said:
"He was throwing the ball to the other team. And you go on the road, in a place like this, an environment like this, you have to have a look on your face of being a gladiator. I thought we had that at times today; at other times, we didn't."
Not 100% certain what to make of the "gladiator" remark as a direct response to a question about Kolek.
Once we got to the last few minutes, after Kolek had sat for about 10 straight minutes, I'm guessing Shaka didn't want to put him in cold.
It's not the first time Shaka has done something like this -- he benched Morsell not too long ago. But given Shaka's oft-stated love of Kolek and given that neither Greg nor Kam were exactly lightin' it up, it was a little surprising.
And Ners ... it's OK to question the coach without offering a caveat first. It's what fans do, as you know better than most.
Shaka said on the post game radio interview that foul trouble was a factor and Tyler "wasn't quite himself and he had a couple of turnovers that were odd and so we played Greg and Kam." That's really it. The coach didn't think he needed to insert Tyler back into a game when the player wasn't dialed in and others stepped up and played better ball.
I thought the same thing. When he is not in there everybody is going solo. He is the glue who gets the guys working together.
Quote from: MU82 on February 21, 2022, 02:42:50 PM
When asked at the press conference about Kolek sitting, Shaka said:
"He was throwing the ball to the other team. And you go on the road, in a place like this, an environment like this, you have to have a look on your face of being a gladiator. I thought we had that at times today; at other times, we didn't."
Not 100% certain what to make of the "gladiator" remark as a direct response to a question about Kolek.
Once we got to the last few minutes, after Kolek had sat for about 10 straight minutes, I'm guessing Shaka didn't want to put him in cold.
It's not the first time Shaka has done something like this -- he benched Morsell not too long ago. But given Shaka's oft-stated love of Kolek and given that neither Greg nor Kam were exactly lightin' it up, it was a little surprising.
And Ners ... it's OK to question the coach without offering a caveat first. It's what fans do, as you know better than most.
Thanks for the additional info. Definitely agree he's done this with Morsell a few times this season. I don't think it's quite the same though as taking such an integral part of our offense off the floor. Shaka definitely has been incredibly bullish, supportive, and all in on Kolek all year - sure seemed like an odd time to deviate from that unwavering support/confidence.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 21, 2022, 02:53:51 PM
Thanks for the additional info. Definitely agree he's done this with Morsell a few times this season. I don't think it's quite the same though as taking such an integral part of our offense off the floor. Shaka definitely has been incredibly bullish, supportive, and all in on Kolek all year - sure seemed like an odd time to deviate from that unwavering support/confidence.
I agree with this. But Kolek really didn't look like himself. He certainly didn't have the "look of being a gladiator" on his face. I love everything that Kolek brings to this team, and I have no doubt that he is super a competitive individual, but yesterday he looked kinda like a whiny baby. I'm counting on him to bounce back in a big way for these remaining games so he can show us all what he's made of.
It would be great to sit down with Shaka, off the record, and get his take on why he benched the PG he has raved about, and then left the PG on the bench for the final 12 1/2 minutes of a tight road game.
Shaka has always been considered a player's coach and a great communicator, so his pretty forceful comments about benching Kolek struck me almost as hard as Juwan Howard struck Joe Krabbenhoft.
While on the sideline yesterday, Shaka must have seen something he didn't like, both when TK was in the game and then when he was on the bench. It will be interesting to see how the situation plays out going forward.
Who knows ... maybe Shaka and Tyler have already chatted about it and hugged it out, and this will end up making both Kolek and the team better in the long run. We'll see!
82 ...
I hope you are correct, that they have
" hugged it out " cuz it was VERY odd to have Kolek sitting. He runs the offense and is clearly their best ball handler.
W / out him the offense stagnated and became a game of 1 on 1. None of the others is a PG ... and Elliot in particular was not even playing well
That was a huge mistake by Shaka. The guy has been a HC for a lot of years already and he should know better. In the game previously he had 12 assists. Shakas lame excuses dont wash. He fffd up big time and he should own it.
Quote from: MU82 on February 21, 2022, 02:42:50 PM
When asked at the press conference about Kolek sitting, Shaka said:
"He was throwing the ball to the other team. And you go on the road, in a place like this, an environment like this, you have to have a look on your face of being a gladiator. I thought we had that at times today; at other times, we didn't."
Not 100% certain what to make of the "gladiator" remark as a direct response to a question about Kolek.
Once we got to the last few minutes, after Kolek had sat for about 10 straight minutes, I'm guessing Shaka didn't want to put him in cold.
It's not the first time Shaka has done something like this -- he benched Morsell not too long ago. But given Shaka's oft-stated love of Kolek and given that neither Greg nor Kam were exactly lightin' it up, it was a little surprising.
And Ners ... it's OK to question the coach without offering a caveat first. It's what fans do, as you know better than most.
Kam was lighting it up. 7-11 from the field and 4-6 from 3 will make it hard for any coach to take you out!
A lot of you must have the access that Herman did on official visits to speak so definitively about this.
Shaka and Kolek have a great relationship. I'm confident this was done to send a message, and that it was further communicated. Tyler, like most of the team, have looked like they need a kick in the ass since Nova.
Quote from: Mu8891 on February 21, 2022, 03:15:38 PM
82 ...
I hope you are correct, that they have
" hugged it out " cuz it was VERY odd to have Kolek sitting. He runs the offense and is clearly their best ball handler.
W / out him the offense stagnated and became a game of 1 on 1. None of the others is a PG ... and Elliot in particular was not even playing well
You want a Wojo repeat? Hug it out.
You want something new? Kolek should show accountability.
-Something like, "You know what, coach is right. I wasn't good. I wasn't helping my team. Time to be better and help the team win on Saturday."-
And truthfully it should piss them both off that he wasn't at his best. It is good that Shaka is holding him accountable, because that's how you get better. Not by hugging it out.
Hug it out when the seasons over and there is nothing more you can do. Until then, get better, hold yourself and others accountable, and show up to get better.
Quote from: MU82 on February 21, 2022, 03:06:08 PM
It would be great to sit down with Shaka, off the record, and get his take on why he benched the PG he has raved about, and then left the PG on the bench for the final 12 1/2 minutes of a tight road game.
Shaka has always been considered a player's coach and a great communicator, so his pretty forceful comments about benching Kolek struck me almost as hard as Juwan Howard struck Joe Krabbenhoft.
While on the sideline yesterday, Shaka must have seen something he didn't like, both when TK was in the game and then when he was on the bench. It will be interesting to see how the situation plays out going forward.
Who knows ... maybe Shaka and Tyler have already chatted about it and hugged it out, and this will end up making both Kolek and the team better in the long run. We'll see!
Agree with all of this. Even if Kolek didn't "look like a gladiator" and was "throwing it to the other team", 12 1/2 minutes is a very long time. There must have been something else going on, which we will probably never know, that led the coach who has spoken so positively of him to not even put him back in at crunch time of such a tight game.
Hopefully they did discuss it and will do whatever is necessary to move forward positively and without issue. We need Kolek in the game as much as possible.
Mind games.
Quote from: mubb3434 on February 21, 2022, 03:48:43 PM
Kam was lighting it up. 7-11 from the field and 4-6 from 3 will make it hard for any coach to take you out!
After Kam came in and Kolek went out with 12:27 to play, Kam made two shots. One was a 3 on a nice assist from Lewis to tie it at 65 with 9:47 to play; the other was the desperation, meaningless 3 that he banked in with less than a second to go. In between, he missed 2 shots, had zero assists or rebounds, and let his man get past him a few times. He most definitely was not "lighting it up" after he got in the game in the second half.
Shaka chose to keep Kolek on the bench because he wanted Kolek on the bench. It wasn't as if the incredible play of Kam or Greg forced him to keep Kolek on the bench.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 21, 2022, 03:55:38 PM
You want a Wojo repeat? Hug it out.
You want something new? Kolek should show accountability.
Can't a guy hug it out
and show accountability? Are the concepts mutually exclusive?
Publicly anyway, Shaka's always been a hug-it-out kind of coach. I like to think one reason he has been successful is that he has demanded accountability from his players, too.
We have no idea why Kolek was benched but he was benched. Morsell has been benched during games. So has Omax and others.
Maybe he wasn't feeling well. Maybe he didn't do what Shaka wanted him to do. Who knows. I do know that Shaka wants to win and he wants to build a culture and has a better relationship with is players than any of us. Nothing to see here until the next game.
I don't know what happened either. And I have no idea what the "gladiator look" that people are talking about even looks like. But if Kolek catches fire the rest of the way, maybe Shaka did the right thing sacrificing the Creighton game. If he doesn't, well...
And for the record, Tyler had all of three assists yesterday. Justin and Darryl each had five. A wash, at worst...
Quote from: GooooMarquette on February 21, 2022, 04:36:23 PM
I don't know what happened either. And I have no idea what the "gladiator look" that people are talking about even looks like. But if Kolek catches fire the rest of the way, maybe Shaka did the right thing sacrificing the Creighton game. If he doesn't, well...
And for the record, Tyler had all of three assists yesterday. Justin and Darryl each had five. A wash, at worst...
I don't believe Shaka sacrificed the game by sitting Kolek. Shaka sat Kolek because he didn't believe - rightly or wrongly - he was the best option. It seems we're trying to read too deeply into what was a simple lineup decision.
Fact is, Kolek's playmaking against teams not named Georgetown has been less effective of late, and he's looking for his shot too much.
During the seven-game win streak,Kolek attempted 43 shots and dished out 57 assists.
In the six games since, he's taken 49 shots and dished 24 assists. Take out the Georgetown game, and it's 44 shots to 13 assists.
I'm thinking those aren't the kind of numbers Shaka wants from his point guard. Especially one who's got the lowest shooting percentage and lowest eFG% on the team.
Quote from: Pakuni on February 21, 2022, 04:51:39 PM
I don't believe Shaka sacrificed the game by sitting Kolek. Shaka sat Kolek because he didn't believe - rightly or wrongly - he was the best option. It seems we're trying to read too deeply into what was a simple lineup decision.
Fact is, Kolek's playmaking against teams not named Georgetown has been less effective of late, and he's looking for his shot too much.
During the seven-game win streak,Kolek attempted 43 shots and dished out 57 assists.
In the six games since, he's taken 49 shots and dished 24 assists. Take out the Georgetown game, and it's 44 shots to 13 assists.
I'm thinking those aren't the kind of numbers Shaka wants from his point guard. Especially one who's got the lowest shooting percentage and lowest eFG% on the team.
Except Shaka has been belaboring Kolek to shoot MORE. This has been said multiple times. Obviously teams have adjusted and are doing everything to take away our pick/roll, and Kolek getting into the paint - which has affected assist numbers.
There was no doubt something more beyond Tyler struggling a bit in this game, that resulted in him being benched the last 12. Maybe it was a body language thing..Shaka sending the message that despite any struggles you don't let it affect your body language/mindset. The bench is known to be the best "instructor."
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 21, 2022, 05:02:40 PM
Except Shaka has been belaboring Kolek to shoot MORE. This has been said multiple times. Obviously teams have adjusted and are doing everything to take away our pick/roll, and Kolek getting into the paint - which has affected assist numbers.
So, in other words, Kolek's playmaking has been less effective of late?
I don't for a second believe Shaka is demanding that his least efficient shooter to shoot more. I sure hope he doesn't.
The fact that Kolek is seeing less court time as his shots have risen and assists have fallen should tell you what Shaka really thinks.
Quote from: Big Papi on February 21, 2022, 04:35:55 PM
We have no idea why Kolek was benched
Well, we do have a little bit of an idea, because the coach of the team publicly said:
"He was throwing the ball to the other team. And you go on the road, in a place like this, an environment like this, you have to have a look on your face of being a gladiator. I thought we had that at times today; at other times, we didn't."Quote from: GooooMarquette on February 21, 2022, 04:36:23 PM
I have no idea what the "gladiator look" that people are talking about even looks like.
I don't either ... but in this case, "people" is Marquette men's basketball coach Shaka Smart. Or at least he was the first people to talk about it.
Quote from: Pakuni on February 21, 2022, 05:09:01 PM
So, in other words, Kolek's playmaking has been less effective of late?
I don't for a second believe Shaka is demanding that his least efficient shooter to shoot more. I sure hope he doesn't.
The fact that Kolek is seeing less court time as his shots have risen and assists have fallen should tell you what Shaka really thinks.
Well..don't know what to tell you, but Shaka has been telling him to shoot more. And Kolek's minutes aren't down from when we won the 7 in a row. 15 minutes was his season low. Next lowest were 19/20 in Games 2, 6, 7.
Quote from: Big Papi on February 21, 2022, 04:35:55 PM
We have no idea why Kolek was benched but he was benched. Morsell has been benched during games. So has Omax and others.
Maybe he wasn't feeling well. Maybe he didn't do what Shaka wanted him to do. Who knows. I do know that Shaka wants to win and he wants to build a culture and has a better relationship with is players than any of us. Nothing to see here until the next game.
Kolek wants to win as much as Shaka. You are wrong that there is nothing to see here. That benching was a huge mistake. Did he bench zlewis after his missed bunny? No.
Kolek has to be in there to run the offense.
There is plenty to see here and it was a big f@#k up by Shaka.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 21, 2022, 06:29:56 PM
Kolek wants to win as much as Shaka. You are wrong that there is nothing to see here. That benching was a huge mistake. Did he bench zlewis after his missed bunny? No.
Kolek has to be in there to run the offense.
There is plenty to see here and it was a big f@#k up by Shaka.
We're waiting patiently
I thought MU's offense was fine. I didn't like Morsell bringing the ball up at the end of the game when they could play aggressive with fouls to give. He looked uncomfortable from the start on that possession. That said...MU scored plenty...that wasn't the issue.
Quote from: avid1010 on February 21, 2022, 06:46:02 PM
That said...MU scored plenty...that wasn't the issue.
In the first 34+? Yep, we scored 78 and that was plenty - we led by 5. In the last 5+? We scored 1. Which was a few less than plenty.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 21, 2022, 07:59:19 PM
In the first 34+? Yep, we scored 78 and that was plenty - we led by 5. In the last 5+? We scored 1. Which was a few less than plenty.
This is true, but the scoring drought down the stretch wasn't the result of not getting good looks. They got good looks and missed at the rim over and over.
Quote from: Pakuni on February 21, 2022, 05:09:01 PM
So, in other words, Kolek's playmaking has been less effective of late?
I don't for a second believe Shaka is demanding that his least efficient shooter to shoot more. I sure hope he doesn't.
The fact that Kolek is seeing less court time as his shots have risen and assists have fallen should tell you what Shaka really thinks.
Important to note Kolek has made double the amount of threes greg has in the last month shooting 41%. Kolek has a high ORTG than Greg and Morsell over that time.
There was no good reason to bench Kolek as much as he was yesterday.
What makes Kolek so effective is his ability to run the pick and roll. Creighton is the most effective team in the conference (and I believe one of the top five most effective in the country) at defending the pick and roll. What makes them effective is Kalkbrenner's ability to cut off passing lanes while also swallowing up ballhandlers who don't pass and take it to the hoop. I've seen some posts calling Kalkbrenner things like "average at best" and those posts massively underrate him as a defender. How you beat Kalkbrenner is to either be strong enough to get him to foul you (he's one of the best bigs in the country at defending without fouling) or to have an effective stop and pop in your arsenal...neither of which Kolek does particularly well. I'd really like him to work on both of those parts of his game this offseason because it would make him all the more deadly.
I actually really liked how Shaka anticipated Creighton's pick and roll defense. Kalkbrenner was caught in no man's land repeatedly as Morsell and Jones beat their men into the key and he was forced to either abandon his post or watch an elbow jumper go in. He started by watching those jumpers go in and later started coming out to help, removing him from rebounding position, which led to a few nice putbacks by Kuath.
All that being said...my instinct is that you still put Tyler in with 15 seconds left. If nothing else but to get the ball up the court and make Creighton wonder if Marquette was going to switch to their typical halfcourt offense rather than the action Shaka had been running all night.
And all that being said, someone else (I believe it was 82) pointed out that bringing in a player cold who had played poorly all night, might have been asking for disaster. Especially when that player is a guy like Kolek. From what I've been told and observed, he's a very emotion driven player which is a double edged sword. His passion can fuel and elevate his play, but his frustration can also turn a one off mistake into a cluster of errors that end up hurting the team.
TLDR, Creighton is tailor made to stop Kolek. I probably would have put him in but understand why Shaka didn't.
Nice summary there.
I was pretty upset that TyKo wasn't in to at the very least bring the ball up, and was really upset that no one helped Darryl by setting a screen before/around half court or by giving him someone to pass to.
If you want a Darryl iso in that situation ala Vander Blue versus StJ/Davidson, which is what I wanted, you get him the ball just outside the arc and then let him get to work- you don't make him work his arse off to bring it up when you know he's not a ball handling pg like that.
Best case scenario he doesn't turn it over but he's still gassed and doesn't have the burst if he were to just initiate just beyond the 3P line.
Water under the bridge. Live and learn.
We played our best basketball of the game, by far, with Kolek on the bench and Morsell working the paint.
Make a couple of point-blank layups and we're saying, "Isn't it great that we can win in a tough road environment with our PG having a bad game?"
Quote from: MU82 on February 21, 2022, 11:02:44 PM
We played our best basketball of the game, by far, with Kolek on the bench and Morsell working the paint.
Make a couple of point-blank layups and we're saying, "Isn't it great that we can win in a tough road environment with our PG having a bad game?"
Dr. V is correct and makes an excellent point (no pun intended) about Morsell dribbling from half-court to start that possession. The fact is what we did the first 35 mins is irrelevant, it's about the last 5 mins. We missed two chippies and free throws but we also kicked the ball away three critical times and overall had horsebleep possessions down the stretch. We were also anemic defensively and molasses slow when we had to get stops. You play your best ball-handler and distributor to close games. It was a mistake and extremely unfortunate. These are the facts of the case and they are undisputed.
Shaka has shown that he will ride hot hands/combinations and. leave. starters on the bench a long time if they aren't contributing or are. bringing negative energy. It was his opinion that Kolek fell into the latter category.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 22, 2022, 12:29:56 AM
We were also anemic defensively and molasses slow when we had to get stops.
Except the final CU possession which was MU at their best forcing a off balance 3 with the shot clock expiring. If we simply execute in the last 16 seconds we come home with a 1 point win and we're all talking about that final defensive stop as what differentiates this team from Wojo teams. What could have been
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 22, 2022, 12:29:56 AM
Dr. V is correct and makes an excellent point (no pun intended) about Morsell dribbling from half-court to start that possession. The fact is what we did the first 35 mins is irrelevant, it's about the last 5 mins. We missed two chippies and free throws but we also kicked the ball away three critical times and overall had horsebleep possessions down the stretch. We were also anemic defensively and molasses slow when we had to get stops. You play your best ball-handler and distributor to close games. It was a mistake and extremely unfortunate. These are the facts of the case and they are undisputed.
Except Kolek wasn't prepared to contribute the way he normally does, according to the only person who actually would know about such a thing.
So either we trust Shaka to have his finger on the team's pulse, or we don't.
That's not me saying Shaka is infallible. I've criticized him plenty. But think about the decision: We know he loves Kolek, raves about him even when it comes to some parts of Kolek's game that most of us find wanting (like shooting), constantly talks about how valuable Kolek is to the team. And yet, despite all that, Shaka chose not to play Kolek in a tight road game.
You might say it was a "mistake" that's "undisputed," but you don't really have any idea what was going on, so it's actually quite easily disputed, Muggs.
I don't know what was going on, either. So on this one, I'll defer to the well-paid guy who oversees the program and knows Tyler Kolek a bazillion times better than I do.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 21, 2022, 07:59:19 PM
In the first 34+? Yep, we scored 78 and that was plenty - we led by 5. In the last 5+? We scored 1. Which was a few less than plenty.
My bad...didnt see TK as the common denominator there...
First of all, I think Kolek should have been in at the end of the game.
However, I always thought as the season went on the other teams would get better at defending against Kolek's drives and dishes out to other players. His assists are falling off, because the other teams now know how to defend him.
Same thing with Marquette's defense. The other coaches now know how to beat it. Giving up 46 points in first half is not a good sign. I kind of blocked the Butler game out of my mind, but I think we were similarly torched by Butler in first half.
Quote from: Pakuni on February 21, 2022, 04:51:39 PM
I don't believe Shaka sacrificed the game by sitting Kolek.
Not
intentionally perhaps - he clearly thought we would win without him - but I believe the decision inadvertently gave the game away.
Quote from: MU82 on February 22, 2022, 06:59:25 AM
Except Kolek wasn't prepared to contribute the way he normally does, according to the only person who actually would know about such a thing.
So either we trust Shaka to have his finger on the team's pulse, or we don't.
That's not me saying Shaka is infallible. I've criticized him plenty. But think about the decision: We know he loves Kolek, raves about him even when it comes to some parts of Kolek's game that most of us find wanting (like shooting), constantly talks about how valuable Kolek is to the team. And yet, despite all that, Shaka chose not to play Kolek in a tight road game.
You might say it was a "mistake" that's "undisputed," but you don't really have any idea what was going on, so it's actually quite easily disputed, Muggs.
I don't know what was going on, either. So on this one, I'll defer to the well-paid guy who oversees the program and knows Tyler Kolek a bazillion times better than I do.
True, Kolek didn't "contribute" or was as effective as he normally is but the same can be said for a bunch of our other players. Nevertheless, there isn't really an answer for why you wouldn't have your best ball-handler in the game the closing 5 minutes. He also had 7pts in 15 mins and shoots over 80% from the line. As I said in the game thread, things went South when we had the ball up 5 with about 5 mins to go.
No one disputes that Kolek is our best ball-handler and passer. His stats really don't tell you the whole story because he's the one guy who can get us quality looks in our half-court offense when he is on his game, surveying the floor, and attacking off the bounce. Once you take him out of the game, and execution becomes paramount, you are eliminating a weapon that creates better shot opportunities. It makes it much easier to clamp down on Lewis or Morsell and our auxiliary scorers generally stand around and watch. I love Shaka but he made a critical mistake Sunday.
I did a Google search for "Gladiator Face," and this is the first thing that came up. Take that as you will, but I think Shaka was punishing Tyler for not finishing his spinach....
https://travelatelier.com/blog/roman-gladiators-ephesos-vegetable-diet/
So, Muggs, you're gonna stick with your belief that you know more about what's going on with Kolek than Shaka does.
OK, we'll agree to disagree. I'm dopey enough to think that he's closer to the situation than any Scoopers are, and that we don't have nearly enough information right now to know what was right or wrong.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 21, 2022, 06:30:21 PM
We're waiting patiently
I know. You hang on every one of my posts. You must be waiting patiently for the next one
Quote from: willie warrior on February 22, 2022, 01:35:55 PM
I know. You hang on every one of my posts. You must be waiting patiently for the next one
Where's the nickname
Quote from: MU82 on February 22, 2022, 12:43:28 PM
So, Muggs, you're gonna stick with your belief that you know more about what's going on with Kolek than Shaka does.
OK, we'll agree to disagree. I'm dopey enough to think that he's closer to the situation than any Scoopers are, and that we don't have nearly enough information right now to know what was right or wrong.
dopey is Shaka and his game attire.
Quote from: MU82 on February 22, 2022, 12:43:28 PM
So, Muggs, you're gonna stick with your belief that you know more about what's going on with Kolek than Shaka does.
OK, we'll agree to disagree. I'm dopey enough to think that he's closer to the situation than any Scoopers are, and that we don't have nearly enough information right now to know what was right or wrong.
That is not my belief, nor did I write anything of the sort. I stated that he made a mistake. Coaches can make mistakes MU82, even all-time greats. I will also add, and I think all of us can agree, this team will not advance in the tournament if Kolek is a non-factor. It's as simple as that. He's not close to our best player but we don't have another viable option at the PG.
I'm not saying it's easy. He's been up and down/wildly inconsistent. He certainly wasn't good Sunday. At the same time this MU team has been at its best, and much better than we have seen recently, when Kolek is playing well. I think taking your primary ball-handler and distributor off the court, In a critical late-Feb game, makes very little sense. Both short-term and long-term. We're gonna need this kid vs tournament teams.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 22, 2022, 04:14:04 PM
That is not my belief, nor did I write anything of the sort. I stated that he made a mistake. Coaches can make mistakes MU82, even all-time greats. I will also add, and I think all of us can agree, this team will not advance in the tournament if Kolek is a non-factor. It's as simple as that. He's not close to our best player but we don't have another viable option at the PG.
I'm not saying it's easy. He's been up and down/wildly inconsistent. He certainly wasn't good Sunday. At the same time this MU team has been at its best, and much better than we have seen recently, when Kolek is playing well. I think taking your primary ball-handler and distributor off the court, In a critical late-Feb game, makes very little sense. Both short-term and long-term. We're gonna need this kid vs tournament teams.
If the coach had good reason to believe that Kolek was not mentally and/or physically prepared to help the team down the stretch -- and if the coach was right -- wouldn't the "mistake" have been to play Kolek? All I'm saying is we don't have enough information to know. I'm pretty impressed if you have all the information you need to know.
As for the rest of your comment, we definitely agree there. Even if Kolek can't be dynamic for us, we need him to be solid and efficient if we're gonna advance in March. PG is the most important position on the floor, and he's the only viable one we have for what's left of this season.
Looking ahead to next season, we need an upgrade at PG. Maybe the upgrade will come from Kolek himself; players do improve, sometimes a lot.
Quote from: MU82 on February 22, 2022, 10:01:27 PM
If the coach had good reason to believe that Kolek was not mentally and/or physically prepared to help the team down the stretch -- and if the coach was right -- wouldn't the "mistake" have been to play Kolek? All I'm saying is we don't have enough information to know. I'm pretty impressed if you have all the information you need to know.
As for the rest of your comment, we definitely agree there. Even if Kolek can't be dynamic for us, we need him to be solid and efficient if we're gonna advance in March. PG is the most important position on the floor, and he's the only viable one we have for what's left of this season.
Looking ahead to next season, we need an upgrade at PG. Maybe the upgrade will come from Kolek himself; players do improve, sometimes a lot.
I think Kolek can take a step up next year, yet I think he's been really good this year. He plays an aggressive brand of basketball, as I result I can live with his TO Rate. Sure it would be nice to see him reduce turnovers, yet he is the Number 1 Assist man in Big East, is 7th in Steal Percentage, 24th in fouls/40 and 24th in 3 point shooting at 35.5%.
That's probably the best PG play we've seen at MU since Diener. Dominic never shot better than 31% on 3's, and his Assist Rate numbers ranged between 28.6% and 33.8%. Kolek is at 34.6% right now. Dom turned it over less ranging between 15.9-18% versus Kolek's 23.8%. But..considering Dom is thought of as one of MU's "greats," Kolek's play has been really quite good.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 23, 2022, 09:37:25 AM
I think Kolek can take a step up next year, yet I think he's been really good this year. He plays an aggressive brand of basketball, as I result I can live with his TO Rate. Sure it would be nice to see him reduce turnovers, yet he is the Number 1 Assist man in Big East, is 7th in Steal Percentage, 24th in fouls/40 and 24th in 3 point shooting at 35.5%.
That's probably the best PG play we've seen at MU since Diener. Dominic never shot better than 31% on 3's, and his Assist Rate numbers ranged between 28.6% and 33.8%. Kolek is at 34.6% right now. Dom turned it over less ranging between 15.9-18% versus Kolek's 23.8%. But..considering Dom is thought of as one of MU's "greats," Kolek's play has been really quite good.
First off, Dom was an elite defender. Not just good, but elite. Given the similarities of their offensive numbers, that alone puts him well ahead of Kolek in my book. Plus, Dom played well over an extended period. Kolek's been here for 20-some games, so we'll see. Maybe eventually he'll be better than Dom.
By measurables, Kolek's better than Junior, but Junior just fit that 2012-13 team perfectly. Would we rather have senior Rowsey or Kolek at PG for this team? That's an interesting question that we'll never know the answer to. Given how far opponents play off Kolek, it might be fun to have an offensive assassin there, even if Rowsey is one of the worst defensive players any of us have ever seen.
Kolek's been fine, probably a little better than most expected before the season began, but obviously not in line with some of the ridiculous accolades that were being thrown around back in November. PROS: He's got good vision, he's a decent ballhandler, he mostly makes good decisions, his shooting has improved from horrific to acceptable, he's a willing defender who gets some deflections. CONS: He has poor shooting form, no float game, he's too left-handed, he gets loose with the ball occasionally, opposing offenses try (and often succeed) to isolate him on D.
That Shaka lost so much confidence in him Sunday says something. I'm not sure what yet because we don't know enough, but something.
I think we need an upgrade. That might come from a newcomer or, as I said, from Kolek himself. Develop a float game and a pull-up game, get 50% better with the right hand, and work some more on the shot ... and now you're talkin'!
Don't forget, Kolek's still a "Freshman".
Quote from: MU82 on February 23, 2022, 10:04:22 AM
First off, Dom was an elite defender. Not just good, but elite. Given the similarities of their offensive numbers, that alone puts him well ahead of Kolek in my book. Plus, Dom played well over an extended period. Kolek's been here for 20-some games, so we'll see. Maybe eventually he'll be better than Dom.
By measurables, Kolek's better than Junior, but Junior just fit that 2012-13 team perfectly. Would we rather have senior Rowsey or Kolek at PG for this team? That's an interesting question that we'll never know the answer to. Given how far opponents play off Kolek, it might be fun to have an offensive assassin there, even if Rowsey is one of the worst defensive players any of us have ever seen.
Kolek's been fine, probably a little better than most expected before the season began, but obviously not in line with some of the ridiculous accolades that were being thrown around back in November. PROS: He's got good vision, he's a decent ballhandler, he mostly makes good decisions, his shooting has improved from horrific to acceptable, he's a willing defender who gets some deflections. CONS: He has poor shooting form, no float game, he's too left-handed, he gets loose with the ball occasionally, opposing offenses try (and often succeed) to isolate him on D.
That Shaka lost so much confidence in him Sunday says something. I'm not sure what yet because we don't know enough, but something.
I think we need an upgrade. That might come from a newcomer or, as I said, from Kolek himself. Develop a float game and a pull-up game, get 50% better with the right hand, and work some more on the shot ... and now you're talkin'!
Well..Sean Jones is highly regarded..so we'll see what transpires next season. I suspect Kolek will be the starting PG at MU each of the next two years, however. I like his game better than Dom's. While Dominic was an elite level defender, Kolek is very good. He sees the floor better than Dominic did too.
As for Saturday..Shaka didn't "lose so much confidence in him." You don't lose confidence in a player in one game. I suspect it was all a mentality/body language issue Shaka had with Tyler and he chose to send the message.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 23, 2022, 11:02:56 AM
Well..Sean Jones is highly regarded..so we'll see what transpires next season. I suspect Kolek will be the starting PG at MU each of the next two years, however. I like his game better than Dom's. While Dominic was an elite level defender, Kolek is very good. He sees the floor better than Dominic did too.
As for Saturday..Shaka didn't "lose so much confidence in him." You don't lose confidence in a player in one game. I suspect it was all a mentality/body language issue Shaka had with Tyler and he chose to send the message.
If Sean Jones really is the goods, here's hoping he makes Kolek sweat to keep the starting job. I'll give you the last word on Kolek-vs-Dom because I don't want one of those 2 page Scoop debates about something that can't be proven.
As for your second paragraph, that's certainly possible. We'll get a better idea as the season progresses.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on February 23, 2022, 10:52:08 AM
Don't forget, Kolek's still a "Freshman".
I think the word you're looking for is Frophomore.
Ha! Or is it "Freshmore"?
Sophman?
If you go by ValueAdd, Tyler is down the list of MU PGs since Travis. Now, some might argue who is and isn't a PG like Carlino, Markus, Rowsey, Mo, Buycks, etc. What is the Ners PG criteria? Assists?
https://valueaddbasketball.com/ballall.html
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 23, 2022, 02:27:36 PM
If you go by ValueAdd, Tyler is down the list of MU PGs since Travis. Now, some might argue who is and isn't a PG like Carlino, Markus, Rowsey, Mo, Buycks, etc. What is the Ners PG criteria? Assists?
https://valueaddbasketball.com/ballall.html
I am by no means saying Value Add is the end all be all, but just because I was curious.
Kolek checks in at 2.61 value add which ranks behind the following PGs:
2012 Junior Cadougan 2.75
2008 David Cubillan 2.87
2015 Duane Wilson 3.04
2010 David Cubillan 3.38
2015 Derrick Wilson 3.63
2013 Junior Cadougan 3.67
2007 David Cubillan 3.90
2009 Dominic James 4.12
2021 DJ Carton 4.15
2017 Markus Howard 4.36
2017 Andrew Rowsey 4.80
2017 Dominic James 4.85
2015 Matt Carlino 5.60
2002 Travis Diener 5.70
2018 Markus Howard 5.70
2010 Mo Acker 5.84
2008 Dominic James 6.11
2006 Dominic James 6.31
2003 Travis Diener 6.40
2022 Darryl Morsell 7.04
2018 Andrew Rowsey 7.41
2019 Markus Howard 9.23
2005 Travis Diener 9.74
2020 Markus Howard 10.25
2004 Travis Diener 10.32
So if we go by this list, I think we can safely say that MU PGs since 2002 have come in tiers
Tier 1: Diener/Howard
Tier 2: Rowsey/James/Morsell (if you call him a PG)
Tier 3: Acker/Cubillian/Carlino/Carton
Tier 4:
Everyone else
Keep in mind, Kolek has three more years. Very few players have their first season at MU at the top of this list. Kolek is already at the top of tier 4 in his first year and assuming normal progression, he'll for sure be in that third tier and should end up in the second tier by the time his career is done.
One point game = a million reasons to explain the loss. Bottom line is we were in this game and very competitive on the road in a conference game. Shaka can't shoot or play defense. We didn't lose because of who wasn't on the floor. In the last 3 minutes we missed TWO bunnies (guaranteed 4 pts) and had three bad turnovers by seasoned players (potential 6 more points). Elliot's in bounds TO was awfully dumb, in my opinion. He's not a freshman in his first Big East game of his life (back up and don't lean over in bounds before you even have a passing target!!). Morsel needed help earlier in his possession and should have passed somewhere, not get stuck trying to over handle the ball (team game) and Lewis dribbles off his foot in the lane (NBA hopeful of many here.) TK scares me at crunch times, to be honest. Active, yes, enthusiastic, yes, team guy, yes, but plays with abandon at times like a junior high kid. Commits the crime of ALWAYS looking to pass when close in and leaving his feet or heads out of bounds without a recipient even in mind, yet. Hence a TO, missed bunny or blocked shot by a crowd under the basket.
All this said I think we'll be a very dangerous foe in the NCAAs. We move, share and play good D. Great team to watch but not without it's frustrations.
This team has NO connection to previous teams or situations or coaching theory late in the year. We ARE capable of competing and beating most everyone.
I see us going at least two rounds in the NCAAs....not dependant on our seed...
Just sayin' my two cents....
It seems everyone wants to know why Tyler Kolek wasn't in the end of the Creighton game. I'm sitting next to him right now so I'll ask him that question. "Well, to be honest, I turned the ball over three times, and a point guard, any good pg wouldn't turn it over at all. Not once. And then there's my shooting. In the previous game against Georgetown, I hit one three and then another and when I came down the court the next time I just launched up another one. Some guys get into a zone and they all go in. Bad mistake. I'm not Kam Jones. My job is protecting the ball, bringing it up the court and creating assists to give my teammates easier scoring opportunities. Than if they were playing one on one. Justin is someone who can do that, and Morsell at times. But these games are tough, all of them. We know what he have to do. What we need to do to be better and win close games. Believe me."
If it's not too late ask him if he would have preferred to have chosen his home team, Providence, and be one step away from a BE title?
Or are Shaka and Marquette his ride or die?
Quote from: tower912 on February 22, 2022, 06:16:19 AM
Shaka has shown that he will ride hot hands/combinations and. leave. starters on the bench a long time if they aren't contributing or are. bringing negative energy. It was his opinion that Kolek fell into the latter category.
And his opinion was wrong.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 23, 2022, 02:27:36 PM
If you go by ValueAdd, Tyler is down the list of MU PGs since Travis. Now, some might argue who is and isn't a PG like Carlino, Markus, Rowsey, Mo, Buycks, etc. What is the Ners PG criteria? Assists?
https://valueaddbasketball.com/ballall.html
Proof positive that analytics have limitations. My criteria for PG - Do you make everyone else on the floor a better/more productive player?
Hopefully Shaka really decides to prove a point and benches Kolek for a whole game, and we can see the true "value add" he doesn't bring to the team.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 24, 2022, 10:02:10 AM
Proof positive that analytics have limitations. My criteria for PG - Do you make everyone else on the floor a better/more productive player?
Hopefully Shaka really decides to prove a point and benches Kolek for a whole game, and we can see the true "value add" he doesn't bring to the team.
Silliness.
Quote from: MU82 on February 24, 2022, 11:26:31 AM
Silliness.
I know. Kind of like relying on advanced stats and analytics to assign player value.
Kolek and JLew are MU's most critical players to have on the floor.
Quote from: oilcan on February 23, 2022, 07:43:52 PM
It seems everyone wants to know why Tyler Kolek wasn't in the end of the Creighton game. I'm sitting next to him right now so I'll ask him that question. "Well, to be honest, I turned the ball over three times, and a point guard, any good pg wouldn't turn it over at all. Not once. And then there's my shooting. In the previous game against Georgetown, I hit one three and then another and when I came down the court the next time I just launched up another one. Some guys get into a zone and they all go in. Bad mistake. I'm not Kam Jones. My job is protecting the ball, bringing it up the court and creating assists to give my teammates easier scoring opportunities. Than if they were playing one on one. Justin is someone who can do that, and Morsell at times. But these games are tough, all of them. We know what he have to do. What we need to do to be better and win close games. Believe me."
It was just to bring the ball over half court and pass the ball. That was not how he turned over. Morsell needlessly dribbling the ball between his legs several times and right into his defender shows it was the wrong call to hand him the ball as a PG.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 24, 2022, 11:50:51 AM
I know. Kind of like relying on advanced stats and analytics to assign player value.
Kolek and JLew are MU's most critical players to have on the floor.
Then why are you hoping Shaka benches Kolek? You'd sacrifice a victory because you think it would prove your point?
Oh, and I'm no analytics guy. I don't "hate" them, but I certainly don't live by them.
Of course, your opinion (or mine) also is not fact. You are no better at "assigning player value" than any of numerous other Scoopers. Obviously.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 24, 2022, 11:50:51 AM
I know. Kind of like relying on advanced stats and analytics to assign player value.
Kolek and JLew are MU's most critical players to have on the floor.
Not if they're playing poorly
I'd put Morsell and Lewis above Kolek for sure. I think Kolek is the clear third most important. I also think he will continue to get better the longer he stays.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 24, 2022, 11:50:51 AM
I know. Kind of like relying on advanced stats and analytics to assign player value.
Kolek and JLew are MU's most critical players to have on the floor.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 23, 2022, 09:37:25 AM
I think Kolek can take a step up next year, yet I think he's been really good this year. He plays an aggressive brand of basketball, as I result I can live with his TO Rate. Sure it would be nice to see him reduce turnovers, yet he is the Number 1 Assist man in Big East, is 7th in Steal Percentage, 24th in fouls/40 and 24th in 3 point shooting at 35.5%.
That's probably the best PG play we've seen at MU since Diener. Dominic never shot better than 31% on 3's, and his Assist Rate numbers ranged between 28.6% and 33.8%. Kolek is at 34.6% right now. Dom turned it over less ranging between 15.9-18% versus Kolek's 23.8%. But..considering Dom is thought of as one of MU's "greats," Kolek's play has been really quite good.
You confuse me. On one hand you denigrate advanced stats. On the other hand, you quote them extensively.
Please justify your bolded statement. Shaka doesn't even agree with you as the best PG since Diener doesn't get benched for on the court match-ups and doesn't have multiple recruited PGs coming behind him (see the problem with PG recruits who didn't want to sit behind Markus).
And, I agree Tyler has the potential to improve great and is effective at times. But, teams have figured out how to shut him down now in the PnR offense.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 24, 2022, 02:02:50 PM
You confuse me. On one hand you denigrate advanced stats. On the other hand, you quote them extensively.
Please justify your bolded statement. Shaka doesn't even agree with you as the best PG since Diener doesn't get benched for on the court match-ups and doesn't have multiple recruited PGs coming behind him (see the problem with PG recruits who didn't want to sit behind Markus).
And, I agree Tyler has the potential to improve great and is effective at times. But, teams have figured out how to shut him down now in the PnR offense.
Shooting percentages, assist rate and steal rate aren't exactly as deep in the weeds as the mechanics of Value Ad. Those are individual stats. Value ad? Not so much.
But hey. It's cool. By your love of advanced stats, Kolek is worse than Derrick Wilson despite Derrick Wilson's senior year team with the also superior "PG" Matt Carlino of in it could only muster an offensive efficiency good enough for something like 140th best in D1. We seem to be doing much better this year. Odd.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on February 24, 2022, 03:22:17 PM
Rising second year high school senior.
Sinking sophomore.
4 th year high school junior.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 24, 2022, 03:01:37 PM
Shooting percentages, assist rate and steal rate aren't exactly as deep in the weeds as the mechanics of Value Ad. Those are individual stats. Value ad? Not so much.
But hey. It's cool. By your love of advanced stats, Kolek is worse than Derrick Wilson despite Derrick Wilson's senior year team with the also superior "PG" Matt Carlino of in it could only muster an offensive efficiency good enough for something like 140th best in D1. We seem to be doing much better this year. Odd.
I agree that ValueAdd is just one tool among many to evaluate a player. It's certainly not the end all be all. But the difference between 2015 Carlino/Derrick and 2022 Kolek is the cast around them. If you stick with ValueAdd, Carlino and Derrick were first and second on their team. They were also the second worst 1/2 pair Marquette has had since 2002 per ValueAdd.
Conversely, Kolek is 7th on this year's team in ValueAdd. I'm sure part of that is Kolek making his teammates better in a way that ValueAdd doesn't capture well but you can't ignore his poor shooting and turnovers. He's obviously a net positive on the floor and is not close to being a net negative, but those do take away from our offensive capabilities.
You also got to remember that this is comparing a 5th and 4th year senior to a 2nd year sophman. Kolek is having a great first year at MU and will be one of our best PGs since Diener before he leaves.
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 24, 2022, 12:36:38 PM
It was just to bring the ball over half court and pass the ball. That was not how he turned over. Morsell needlessly dribbling the ball between his legs several times and right into his defender shows it was the wrong call to hand him the ball as a PG.
So if we had Derrick Wilson at PG, we would have won?
Quote from: GooooMarquette on February 24, 2022, 05:56:50 PM
So if we had Derrick Wilson at PG, we would have won?
The last four and a half minutes of that game are hard to get out of my head. The final quarter of the second half is not exactly game tape you'd want to show young, aspiring basketball players. Shaka said the players were so frustrated with the loss they were texting him at 3 AM the next morning. It shows these guys do care about winning and losing and should portend great things at home on Saturday!
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 24, 2022, 04:19:13 PM
I agree that ValueAdd is just one tool among many to evaluate a player. It's certainly not the end all be all. But the difference between 2015 Carlino/Derrick and 2022 Kolek is the cast around them. If you stick with ValueAdd, Carlino and Derrick were first and second on their team. They were also the second worst 1/2 pair Marquette has had since 2002 per ValueAdd.
Conversely, Kolek is 7th on this year's team in ValueAdd. I'm sure part of that is Kolek making his teammates better in a way that ValueAdd doesn't capture well but you can't ignore his poor shooting and turnovers. He's obviously a net positive on the floor and is not close to being a net negative, but those do take away from our offensive capabilities.
You also got to remember that this is comparing a 5th and 4th year senior to a 2nd year sophman. Kolek is having a great first year at MU and will be one of our best PGs since Diener before he leaves.
All reasonable..and I think you definitely can make a case that Morsell is more important on the floor than Kolek, yet that lineup essentially would mean Kam or Stevie at PG and that diminishes Kam's value. Darryl is best at an off guard position too.
I obviously hold Kolek in very high regard. The aggressiveness he plays with puts a ton of pressure on defenses. Yes, they've adjusted some..but he's still Number 1 in the Big East in Assists and shooting 35% on his 3's. Markedly up from his brutal start to the season..
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 24, 2022, 02:02:50 PM
Shaka doesn't even agree with you as the best PG since Diener doesn't get benched for on the court match-ups and doesn't have multiple recruited PGs coming behind him
Bingo.
I like Kolek. He's had some good games and some bad games, but generally he's been solid. He's nowhere near the Nash/Diener-alike that some (including Diener IIRC) were crowing about early in the season, but he definitely belongs at this level.
But seriously, as you said, if he's Dom-level or Rowsey-level, he ain't getting benched for 12 1/2 minutes in a tight road game. And obviously not if he's Markus-level (if one considers Markus a PG, which he pretty much was.) I mean, even Junior was the perfect fit on an Elite Eight team as a senior.
It's OK for Tyler to be a good player without some making him out to be special. Maybe one day in his Marquette career, he
will be special. Or maybe he'll get passed up by a kid who comes in next year or the year after. We'll see! For now, we need him to be considerably better than he was Sunday.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on February 24, 2022, 05:56:50 PM
So if we had Derrick Wilson at PG, we would have won?
Well except there was no need to guard Derrick from 3 pt line, Kolek yes ;D
Quote from: MU82 on February 24, 2022, 07:40:47 PM
Bingo.
I like Kolek. He's had some good games and some bad games, but generally he's been solid. He's nowhere near the Nash/Diener-alike that some (including Diener IIRC) were crowing about early in the season, but he definitely belongs at this level.
But seriously, as you said, if he's Dom-level or Rowsey-level, he ain't getting benched for 12 1/2 minutes in a tight road game. And obviously not if he's Markus-level (if one considers Markus a PG, which he pretty much was.) I mean, even Junior was the perfect fit on an Elite Eight team as a senior.
It's OK for Tyler to be a good player without some making him out to be special. Maybe one day in his Marquette career, he will be special. Or maybe he'll get passed up by a kid who comes in next year or the year after. We'll see! For now, we need him to be considerably better than he was Sunday.
Shaka screwed up. Coaches make mistakes. Kolek sitting on the bench the last 12 proved to be a dumb decision when the team was only able to muster 1 point in the final 5:02, a made FT. Granted JLew and OMax blew high percentage layups they created off one on one action, but still, make those and 5 points in 5 minutes is pretty poor.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 24, 2022, 10:46:34 PM
Shaka screwed up. Coaches make mistakes. Kolek sitting on the bench the last 12 proved to be a dumb decision when the team was only able to muster 1 point in the final 5:02, a made FT. Granted JLew and OMax blew high percentage layups they created off one on one action, but still, make those and 5 points in 5 minutes is pretty poor.
Got it. Coaches only make mistakes when Ners says they make mistakes.
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Quote from: MU82 on February 24, 2022, 11:00:05 PM
Got it. Coaches only make mistakes when Ners says they make mistakes.
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Fail, should had used a whiteboard ;D
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 25, 2022, 06:13:54 AM
Fail, should had used a whiteboard ;D
Whiteboards are for punching, not writing.