Any explanation on no Kolek down the stretch?

[MU82]

Well..Sean Jones is highly regarded..so we'll see what transpires next season.  I suspect Kolek will be the starting PG at MU each of the next two years, however.  I like his game better than Dom's.  While Dominic was an elite level defender, Kolek is very good.  He sees the floor better than Dominic did too.

As for Saturday..Shaka didn't "lose so much confidence in him."  You don't lose confidence in a player in one game.  I suspect it was all a mentality/body language issue Shaka had with Tyler and he chose to send the message.

If Sean Jones really is the goods, here's hoping he makes Kolek sweat to keep the starting job. I'll give you the last word on Kolek-vs-Dom because I don't want one of those 2 page Scoop debates about something that can't be proven.

As for your second paragraph, that's certainly possible. We'll get a better idea as the season progresses.

[GooooMarquette]

Don't forget, Kolek's still a "Freshman".

I think the word you're looking for is Frophomore.

[BrewCity83]

Ha!  Or is it "Freshmore"?

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Sophman?

[Dr. Blackheart]

If you go by ValueAdd, Tyler is down the list of MU PGs since Travis. Now, some might argue who is and isn't a PG like Carlino, Markus, Rowsey, Mo, Buycks, etc. What is the Ners PG criteria? Assists?

https://valueaddbasketball.com/ballall.html

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

If you go by ValueAdd, Tyler is down the list of MU PGs since Travis. Now, some might argue who is and isn't a PG like Carlino, Markus, Rowsey, Mo, Buycks, etc. What is the Ners PG criteria? Assists?

https://valueaddbasketball.com/ballall.html

I am by no means saying Value Add is the end all be all, but just because I was curious.

Kolek checks in at 2.61 value add which ranks behind the following PGs:

2012 Junior Cadougan 2.75
2008 David Cubillan 2.87
2015 Duane Wilson 3.04
2010 David Cubillan 3.38
2015 Derrick Wilson 3.63
2013 Junior Cadougan 3.67
2007 David Cubillan 3.90
2009 Dominic James 4.12
2021 DJ Carton 4.15
2017 Markus Howard 4.36
2017 Andrew Rowsey 4.80
2017 Dominic James 4.85
2015 Matt Carlino 5.60
2002 Travis Diener 5.70
2018 Markus Howard 5.70
2010 Mo Acker 5.84
2008 Dominic James 6.11
2006 Dominic James 6.31
2003 Travis Diener 6.40
2022 Darryl Morsell 7.04
2018 Andrew Rowsey 7.41
2019 Markus Howard 9.23
2005 Travis Diener 9.74
2020 Markus Howard 10.25
2004 Travis Diener 10.32

So if we go by this list, I think we can safely say that MU PGs since 2002 have come in tiers

Tier 1: Diener/Howard
Tier 2: Rowsey/James/Morsell (if you call him a PG)
Tier 3: Acker/Cubillian/Carlino/Carton
Tier 4:
Everyone else

Keep in mind, Kolek has three more years. Very few players have their first season at MU at the top of this list. Kolek is already at the top of tier 4 in his first year and assuming normal progression, he'll for sure be in that third tier and should end up in the second tier by the time his career is done.

[axaguy]

One point game = a million reasons to explain the loss. Bottom line is we were in this game and very competitive on the road in a conference game. Shaka can't shoot or play defense. We didn't lose because of who wasn't on the floor. In the last 3 minutes we missed TWO bunnies (guaranteed 4 pts) and had three bad turnovers by seasoned players (potential 6 more points). Elliot's in bounds TO was awfully dumb, in my opinion. He's not a freshman in his first Big East game of his life (back up and don't lean over in bounds before you even have a passing target!!). Morsel needed help earlier in his possession and should have passed somewhere, not get stuck trying to over handle the ball (team game) and Lewis dribbles off his foot in the lane (NBA hopeful of many here.) TK scares me at crunch times, to be honest. Active, yes, enthusiastic, yes, team guy, yes, but plays with abandon at times like a junior high kid. Commits the crime of ALWAYS looking to pass when close in and leaving his feet or heads out of bounds without a recipient even in mind, yet. Hence a TO, missed bunny or blocked shot by a crowd under the basket.
All this said I think we'll be a very dangerous foe in the NCAAs. We move, share and play good D. Great team to watch but not without it's frustrations.
This team has NO connection to previous teams or situations or coaching theory late in the year. We ARE capable of competing and beating most everyone.
I see us going at least two rounds in the NCAAs....not dependant on our seed...
Just sayin' my two cents....

[oilcan]

It seems everyone wants to know why Tyler Kolek wasn't in the end of the Creighton game. I'm sitting next to him right now so I'll ask him that question. "Well, to be honest, I turned the ball over three times, and a point guard, any good pg wouldn't turn it over at all. Not once. And then there's my shooting. In the previous game against Georgetown, I hit one three and then another and when I came down the court the next time I just launched up another one. Some guys get into a zone and they all go in. Bad mistake. I'm not Kam Jones. My job is protecting the ball, bringing it up the court and creating assists to give my teammates easier scoring opportunities. Than if they were playing one on one. Justin is someone who can do that, and Morsell at times. But these games are tough, all of them. We know what he have to do. What we need to do to be better and win close games. Believe me."

[DoctorV]

If it's not too late ask him if he would have preferred to have chosen his home team, Providence, and be one step away from a BE title?

Or are Shaka and Marquette his ride or die?

[willie warrior]

Shaka has shown that he will ride hot hands/combinations and. leave. starters on the bench a long time if they aren't contributing or are. bringing negative energy.   It was his opinion that Kolek fell into the latter category.

And his opinion was wrong.

[Elonsmusk]

If you go by ValueAdd, Tyler is down the list of MU PGs since Travis. Now, some might argue who is and isn't a PG like Carlino, Markus, Rowsey, Mo, Buycks, etc. What is the Ners PG criteria? Assists?

https://valueaddbasketball.com/ballall.html

Proof positive that analytics have limitations.  My criteria for PG - Do you make everyone else on the floor a better/more productive player? 

Hopefully Shaka really decides to prove a point and benches Kolek for a whole game, and we can see the true "value add" he doesn't bring to the team.

[MU82]

Proof positive that analytics have limitations.  My criteria for PG - Do you make everyone else on the floor a better/more productive player? 

Hopefully Shaka really decides to prove a point and benches Kolek for a whole game, and we can see the true "value add" he doesn't bring to the team.

Silliness.

[Elonsmusk]

Silliness.

I know. Kind of like relying on advanced stats and analytics to assign player value.

Kolek and JLew are MU's most critical players to have on the floor.

[Newsdreams]

It seems everyone wants to know why Tyler Kolek wasn't in the end of the Creighton game. I'm sitting next to him right now so I'll ask him that question. "Well, to be honest, I turned the ball over three times, and a point guard, any good pg wouldn't turn it over at all. Not once. And then there's my shooting. In the previous game against Georgetown, I hit one three and then another and when I came down the court the next time I just launched up another one. Some guys get into a zone and they all go in. Bad mistake. I'm not Kam Jones. My job is protecting the ball, bringing it up the court and creating assists to give my teammates easier scoring opportunities. Than if they were playing one on one. Justin is someone who can do that, and Morsell at times. But these games are tough, all of them. We know what he have to do. What we need to do to be better and win close games. Believe me."

It was just to bring the ball over half court and pass the ball. That was not how he turned over. Morsell needlessly dribbling the ball between his legs several times and right into his defender shows it was the wrong call to hand him the ball as a PG.

[MU82]

I know. Kind of like relying on advanced stats and analytics to assign player value.

Kolek and JLew are MU's most critical players to have on the floor.

Then why are you hoping Shaka benches Kolek? You'd sacrifice a victory because you think it would prove your point?

Oh, and I'm no analytics guy. I don't "hate" them, but I certainly don't live by them.

Of course, your opinion (or mine) also is not fact. You are no better at "assigning player value" than any of numerous other Scoopers. Obviously.

[Uncle Rico]

I know. Kind of like relying on advanced stats and analytics to assign player value.

Kolek and JLew are MU's most critical players to have on the floor.

Not if they're playing poorly

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

I'd put Morsell and Lewis above Kolek for sure. I think Kolek is the clear third most important. I also think he will continue to get better the longer he stays.

[Dr. Blackheart]

I know. Kind of like relying on advanced stats and analytics to assign player value.

Kolek and JLew are MU's most critical players to have on the floor.

I think Kolek can take a step up next year, yet I think he's been really good this year.  He plays an aggressive brand of basketball, as I result I can live with his TO Rate.  Sure it would be nice to see him reduce turnovers, yet he is the Number 1 Assist man in Big East, is 7th in Steal Percentage, 24th in fouls/40 and 24th in 3 point shooting at 35.5%.

That's probably the best PG play we've seen at MU since Diener.  Dominic never shot better than 31% on 3's, and his Assist Rate numbers ranged between 28.6% and 33.8%.  Kolek is at 34.6% right now.  Dom turned it over less ranging between 15.9-18% versus Kolek's 23.8%.  But..considering Dom is thought of as one of MU's "greats," Kolek's play has been really quite good.

You confuse me. On one hand you denigrate advanced stats. On the other hand, you quote them extensively.

Please justify your bolded statement. Shaka doesn't even agree with you as the best PG since Diener doesn't get benched for on the court match-ups and doesn't have multiple recruited PGs coming behind him (see the problem with PG recruits who didn't want to sit behind Markus).

And, I agree Tyler has the potential to improve great and is effective at times. But, teams have figured out how to shut him down now in the PnR offense.

[Elonsmusk]

You confuse me. On one hand you denigrate advanced stats. On the other hand, you quote them extensively.

Please justify your bolded statement. Shaka doesn't even agree with you as the best PG since Diener doesn't get benched for on the court match-ups and doesn't have multiple recruited PGs coming behind him (see the problem with PG recruits who didn't want to sit behind Markus).

And, I agree Tyler has the potential to improve great and is effective at times. But, teams have figured out how to shut him down now in the PnR offense.

Shooting percentages, assist rate and steal rate aren't exactly as deep in the weeds as the mechanics of Value Ad. Those are individual stats. Value ad?  Not so much.

But hey. It's cool. By your love of advanced stats, Kolek is worse than Derrick Wilson despite Derrick Wilson's senior year team with the also superior "PG" Matt Carlino of in it could only muster an offensive efficiency good enough for something like 140th best in D1. We seem to be doing much better this year. Odd.

[JakeBarnes]

Sophman?

Rising second year high school senior.

[rocky_warrior]

Rising second third year high school senior.

FIFY

[Scoop Snoop]

Rising second year high school senior.

Sinking sophomore.

[tower912]

4 th year high school junior.

[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Shooting percentages, assist rate and steal rate aren't exactly as deep in the weeds as the mechanics of Value Ad. Those are individual stats. Value ad?  Not so much.

But hey. It's cool. By your love of advanced stats, Kolek is worse than Derrick Wilson despite Derrick Wilson's senior year team with the also superior "PG" Matt Carlino of in it could only muster an offensive efficiency good enough for something like 140th best in D1. We seem to be doing much better this year. Odd.

I agree that ValueAdd is just one tool among many to evaluate a player. It's certainly not the end all be all. But the difference between 2015 Carlino/Derrick and 2022 Kolek is the cast around them. If you stick with ValueAdd, Carlino and Derrick were first and second on their team. They were also the second worst 1/2 pair Marquette has had since 2002 per ValueAdd.

Conversely, Kolek is 7th on this year's team in ValueAdd. I'm sure part of that is Kolek making his teammates better in a way that ValueAdd doesn't capture well but you can't ignore his poor shooting and turnovers. He's obviously a net positive on the floor and is not close to being a net negative, but those do take away from our offensive capabilities.

You also got to remember that this is comparing a 5th and 4th year senior to a 2nd year sophman. Kolek is having a great first year at MU and will be one of our best PGs since Diener before he leaves.

[GooooMarquette]

It was just to bring the ball over half court and pass the ball. That was not how he turned over. Morsell needlessly dribbling the ball between his legs several times and right into his defender shows it was the wrong call to hand him the ball as a PG.

So if we had Derrick Wilson at PG, we would have won?