Shaka and Maya Smart make major gift to help students cover emergency expenses
FEBRUARY 7, 2022
Culture of Inclusion
Shaka Smart, head coach of the Marquette University men's basketball program, and his wife, Maya, have made a major gift to help Black students at Marquette cover emergency expenses. The gift, which President Michael R. Lovell called "a true blessing," will help support students who experience unanticipated loss or travel emergencies as well as food and safety needs. The fund will mirror the university's Bridge to the Future Fund, which has provided immediate support to hundreds of students experiencing financial strain.
Still waitin' on da Tommy and Joannie Crean Memorial Soccer Megaplex, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 07, 2022, 02:12:00 PM
Shaka and Maya Smart make major gift to help students cover emergency expenses
FEBRUARY 7, 2022
Culture of Inclusion
Shaka Smart, head coach of the Marquette University men's basketball program, and his wife, Maya, have made a major gift to help Black students at Marquette cover emergency expenses. The gift, which President Michael R. Lovell called "a true blessing," will help support students who experience unanticipated loss or travel emergencies as well as food and safety needs. The fund will mirror the university's Bridge to the Future Fund, which has provided immediate support to hundreds of students experiencing financial strain.
Still waitin' on da Tommie and Joannie Memorial Soccer Metaplex, hey?
Socialist!
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 07, 2022, 02:12:00 PM
Shaka and Maya Smart make major gift to help students cover emergency expenses
FEBRUARY 7, 2022
Culture of Inclusion
Shaka Smart, head coach of the Marquette University men's basketball program, and his wife, Maya, have made a major gift to help Black students at Marquette cover emergency expenses. The gift, which President Michael R. Lovell called "a true blessing," will help support students who experience unanticipated loss or travel emergencies as well as food and safety needs. The fund will mirror the university's Bridge to the Future Fund, which has provided immediate support to hundreds of students experiencing financial strain.
Still waitin' on da Tommie and Joannie Memorial Soccer Metaplex, hey?
youre proud he made this to help the black students? I guess black lives do matter
This is awesome. Well done coach and Mrs. Coach.
Awesome to see. Impact hire on all facets.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on February 07, 2022, 02:35:43 PM
Awesome to see. Impact hire on all facets.
So today I learned only Black students at MU incur unanticipated loss or travel emergencies as well as food and safety need.
I'm sure this thread will go over well
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 07, 2022, 02:42:45 PM
So today I learned only Black students at MU incur unanticipated loss or travel emergencies as well as food and safety need.
Right there in the original post, William.
"The fund will mirror the university's Bridge to the Future Fund, which has provided immediate support to hundreds of students experiencing financial strain."
I don't support social safety nets that I myself have not been able to benefit
It's like no one can ever do anything nice without someone else sh!tting on it.
Great job, Scoop.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 07, 2022, 02:42:45 PM
So today I learned only Black students at MU incur unanticipated loss or travel emergencies as well as food and safety need.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4Ipv2L3iwg
Oh, Billybillybillybilly
Quote from: warriorchick on February 07, 2022, 02:48:00 PM
It's like no one can ever do anything nice without someone else sh!tting on it.
Great job, Scoop.
Agree. Personally love this--in line with the mission of the University and tribute to Bo Ellis, no less. Shaka is a dude who does what he says on a daily basis.
Quote from: warriorchick on February 07, 2022, 02:48:00 PM
It's like no one can ever do anything nice without someone else sh!tting on it.
Great job, Scoop.
I'm just glad to know our Asian, Hispanic/Latino, Middle Eastern, Native American, and certain International students don't suffer financial hardship. MU is obviously doing something right.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 07, 2022, 02:42:45 PM
So today I learned only Black students at MU incur unanticipated loss or travel emergencies as well as food and safety need.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 07, 2022, 02:55:02 PM
I'm just glad to know our Asian, Hispanic/Latino, Middle Eastern, Native American, and certain International students don't suffer financial hardship. MU is obviously doing something right.
No one claimed these things. (Of course you know this and just wanted to sh*t on a nice thing.)
They are creating an endowment in honor of Bo & Candy Ellis to fund this. Which is cool. And the way these things work is that they already have a pool of money for student emergencies like these. Every school does. But now the endowment will be specifically used to support Black students, opening up funding for everyone else.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 07, 2022, 02:55:02 PM
I'm just glad to know our Asian, Hispanic/Latino, Middle Eastern, Native American, and certain International students don't suffer financial hardship. MU is obviously doing something right.
At least we know the 13 Native American students aren't suffering financial hardship since all they seem to be worried about is being offended by the school seal.
Quote from: warriorchick on February 07, 2022, 02:48:00 PM
It's like no one can ever do anything nice without someone else sh!tting on it.
Great job, Scoop.
Agree Chick, this can only be considered a positive. Any other slant is pathetic. People here can be real idiots.
For the record, I love that Shaka is doing this. Character revealed, once again. I just couldn't pass up the sarcastic reply to billyhoyle above, but I don't want anyone to take my teal comment seriously.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 07, 2022, 02:55:02 PM
I'm just glad to know our Asian, Hispanic/Latino, Middle Eastern, Native American, and certain International students don't suffer financial hardship. MU is obviously doing something right.
Get a life dude
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 07, 2022, 02:42:45 PM
So today I learned only Black students at MU incur unanticipated loss or travel emergencies as well as food and safety need.
It gets frustrating how many posters I have to put on ignore, but it is nice that we have that option.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 07, 2022, 02:55:02 PM
I'm just glad to know our Asian, Hispanic/Latino, Middle Eastern, Native American, and certain International students don't suffer financial hardship. MU is obviously doing something right.
Feel free to donate for these groups.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 07, 2022, 02:55:02 PM
I'm just glad to know our Asian, Hispanic/Latino, Middle Eastern, Native American, and certain International students don't suffer financial hardship. MU is obviously doing something right.
Chico's?
That's the kind of move you make if you're thinking forever home.
It's the Smart's money. I certainly can't say its not for a good cause. If you see other needs, fill the void.
Quote from: 1SE on February 07, 2022, 03:48:47 PM
That's the kind of move you make if you're thinking forever home.
That's definitely a thing I read into it. Hope we're both reading it correctly!
Quote from: JakeBarnes on February 07, 2022, 03:54:45 PM
That's definitely a thing I read into it. Hope we're both reading it correctly!
And of course really decent people
Great that Shaka and Maya are doing this.... No one has too and they did it. This frees up other funds for other students in need as well. The pie has gotten bigger, so all benefit.
Hats off to Shaka and Maya!
Quote from: connie on February 07, 2022, 03:53:40 PM
It's the Smart's money. I certainly can't say its not for a good cause. If you see other needs, fill the void.
I agree the Smarts can donate to any cause they want and it is a good cause as I am sure there are poor blacks that need the help, but if a donor gave to help only poor white kids I even wonder if the Administration would accept a gift with that condition.
Quote from: MUfan12 on February 07, 2022, 02:45:36 PM
Right there in the original post, William.
"The fund will mirror the university's Bridge to the Future Fund, which has provided immediate support to hundreds of students experiencing financial strain."
Does the university's Bridge to the Future Fund include all students?
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 07, 2022, 02:17:32 PM
Socialist!
? Charity isn't big with the socialists - they think that's the job of government.
Back on point, major kudos to Maya and Shaka for their generosity and thoughtfulness - MU made a great choice in more ways than one!
Quote from: warriorchick on February 07, 2022, 02:48:00 PM
It's like no one can ever do anything nice without someone else sh!tting on it.
Great job, Scoop.
Thanks Chick.
We target groups of students every day. The gift my wife and I give goes to students in the College of Communications. Others give for important causes within the university, whatever they might be.
Look, God knows there needs to be more "emergency funds." Mr. and Mrs. Smart did that.
If you don't like it,
PONY UP! I'm sure Marquette would be happy to have your contribution!
Thanks, Coach. Thanks Mrs. Smart. Somebody out there will be glad you're there!!!!
Quote from: 1SE on February 07, 2022, 03:48:47 PM
That's the kind of move you make if you're thinking forever home.
It's amazing and generous. However, I believe the Smart's believe in "investing" in every community in which they've lived.
https://atxwoman.com/maya-smart/
Quote"We granted more than $100,000 to 41 public libraries across 36 Texas counties this year," Maya Smart says. "Those dollars will be used to expand collections to better serve the needs and interests of local patrons, such as increasing the numbers of Spanish titles, books by multicultural authors and books with large print for visually impaired readers."
https://richmond.com/contributions-to-maya-smarts-dec-16-vcu-fan-challenge/article_8bb12553-52be-5f17-9579-85240b1d8195.html
QuoteThe Smarts promised a dollar-for-dollar match for contributions made during the game against Belmont University on Dec. 16. Fans donated $6,208.89 in cash and $6,160 in checks at the game and an additional $7,110 online.
Also, the way I read it, black athletes would also be eligible, meaning Shaka can support his guys without breaking the rules, and gets a tax break to boot!
Fantastic stuff and proud to see it.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 07, 2022, 04:13:50 PM
I agree the Smarts can donate to any cause they want and it is a good cause as I am sure there are poor blacks that need the help, but if a donor gave to help only poor white kids I even wonder if the Administration would accept a gift with that condition.
They wouldn't.
Quote from: 1SE on February 07, 2022, 03:48:47 PM
That's the kind of move you make if you're thinking forever home.
Have you met Tom Crean?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 07, 2022, 02:42:45 PM
So today I learned only Black students at MU incur unanticipated loss or travel emergencies as well as food and safety need.
Pretty sure you don't learn anything on any day.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 07, 2022, 04:13:50 PM
I agree the Smarts can donate to any cause they want and it is a good cause as I am sure there are poor blacks that need the help, but if a donor gave to help only poor white kids I even wonder if the Administration would accept a gift with that condition.
Cough up a few million and find out.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 07, 2022, 04:30:01 PM
? Charity isn't big with the socialists - they think that's the job of government.
Back on point, major kudos to Maya and Shaka for their generosity and thoughtfulness - MU made a great choice in more ways than one!
Obviously a joke
Quote from: tower912 on February 07, 2022, 05:03:15 PM
Cough up a few million and find out.
Fluffy stated the administration would not; which on the face of it sounds pretty racist to exclude help for students simply because of their skin color. I hope Fluffy is wrong unless he speaks for the administration.
Great for Shaka.
Good lord, people are the fucking worst.
On the flip side, man, what a great hire this has been, both on and off the court.
there will always be people that talk ill of the good that people do.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 07, 2022, 05:17:54 PM
Fluffy stated the administration would not; which on the face of it sounds pretty racist to exclude help for students simply because of their skin color. I hope Fluffy is wrong unless he speaks for the administration.
I'm not wrong. No school is going to accept an emergency fund that only supports white students. Sorry you see it as racist.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 07, 2022, 02:12:00 PM
Shaka and Maya Smart make major gift to help students cover emergency expenses
FEBRUARY 7, 2022
Culture of Inclusion
Shaka Smart, head coach of the Marquette University men's basketball program, and his wife, Maya, have made a major gift to help Black students at Marquette cover emergency expenses. The gift, which President Michael R. Lovell called "a true blessing," will help support students who experience unanticipated loss or travel emergencies as well as food and safety needs. The fund will mirror the university's Bridge to the Future Fund, which has provided immediate support to hundreds of students experiencing financial strain.
Still waitin' on da Tommy and Joannie Crean Memorial Soccer Megaplex, hey?
Home run hire. That's very generous of the Smart's.
P.S. - To those complaining about how the money gets allocated, get over it. Pretty common for charitable donations to have some parameters on usage.
MUBB having a successful season has enabled some superb scooping in this thread.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 07, 2022, 04:13:50 PM
I agree the Smarts can donate to any cause they want and it is a good cause as I am sure there are poor blacks that need the help, but if a donor gave to help only poor white kids I even wonder if the Administration would accept a gift with that condition.
Already been happening for generations. As someone said, the pie is bigger, more people benefit. No one is losing a slice, more people are getting a taste.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 07, 2022, 04:30:01 PM
? Charity isn't big with the socialists - they think that's the job of government.
Back on point, major kudos to Maya and Shaka for their generosity and thoughtfulness - MU made a great choice in more ways than one!
Close, charity is still encouraged. But charity shouldn't have to exist for people to live their lives.
But back on point, major kudos to Maya and Shaka for their generosity and thoughtfulness - MU made a great choice in more ways than one!
from shaka and mrs shaka, regardless if they got a tax break or not, it's a great gesture and you know it comes from his heart. win win win win!
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on February 07, 2022, 06:43:01 PM
I'm not wrong. No school is going to accept an emergency fund that only supports white students. Sorry you see it as racist.
When you accept a gift exclusively for one race and refuse the gift exclusively for the another race how can it not be racist. I'm sure state schools that do that would be in violation of civil rights laws. MU as a private school can do what it likes and I hope they would not refuse such a gift as some here already have said the pie only gets bigger and more people benefit.
Quote from: GB Warrior on February 07, 2022, 06:58:11 PM
MUBB having a successful season has enabled some superb scooping in this thread.
Absolutely!
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 07, 2022, 07:54:57 PM
When you accept a gift exclusively for one race and refuse the gift exclusively for the another race how can it not be racist. I'm sure state schools that do that would be in violation of civil rights laws. MU as a private school can do what it likes and I hope they would not refuse such a gift as some here already have said the pie only gets bigger and more people benefit.
Why are you getting yourself all tied up in knots about this? It's really odd.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 07, 2022, 04:58:08 PM
It's amazing and generous. However, I believe the Smart's believe in "investing" in every community in which they've lived.
https://atxwoman.com/maya-smart/
https://richmond.com/contributions-to-maya-smarts-dec-16-vcu-fan-challenge/article_8bb12553-52be-5f17-9579-85240b1d8195.html
Also, the way I read it, black athletes would also be eligible, meaning Shaka can support his guys without breaking the rules, and gets a tax break to boot!
If that happened could Kolek bring a discrimination case against the university?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 07, 2022, 08:04:59 PM
If that happened could Kolek bring a discrimination case against the university?
Yes. Have to think this is the end of the university and the coaching career of Shaka Smart.
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on February 07, 2022, 07:21:27 PM
Already been happening for generations. As someone said, the pie is bigger, more people benefit. No one is losing a slice, more people are getting a taste.
Trickle down, a'ina?
Given the state of America and given the embarrassing treatment of African Americans in and by Americans, which is ongoing, if you can't see the difference between a fund for whites only and a fund for black students, you my friend are not deserving of a scoop account. That is saying it very kindly.
And what a great example set by coach and his family.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 07, 2022, 07:54:57 PM
When you accept a gift exclusively for one race and refuse the gift exclusively for the another race how can it not be racist. I'm sure state schools that do that would be in violation of civil rights laws. MU as a private school can do what it likes and I hope they would not refuse such a gift as some here already have said the pie only gets bigger and more people benefit.
Civil rights laws apply to Marquette as well.
Quote from: GOO on February 07, 2022, 08:15:03 PM
Given the state of America and given the embarrassing treatment of African Americans in and by Americans, which is ongoing, if you can't see the difference between a fund for whites only and a fund for black students, you my friend are not deserving of a scoop account. That is saying it very kindly.
And what a great example set by coach and his family.
A scoop account, please don't take that away!? :o
Wow! Outstanding. Right on MU's mission wheelhouse.
Quote from: GOO on February 07, 2022, 08:15:03 PM
Given the state of America and given the embarrassing treatment of African Americans in and by Americans, which is ongoing, if you can't see the difference between a fund for whites only and a fund for black students, you my friend are not deserving of a scoop account. That is saying it very kindly.
And what a great example set by coach and his family.
Wow! I am not deserving of an account because I think racism stinks; and no I don't see the difference. You don't end discrimination with more discrimination and if you can't see that we are never going to move forward on race.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 07, 2022, 08:51:30 PM
Wow! I am not deserving of an account because I think racism stinks; and no I don't see the difference. You don't end discrimination with more discrimination and if you can't see that we are never going to move forward on race.
Lol. Now I understand why you are getting all bent out of shape over this. Kind of embarrassing but not surprising that your primary reaction to this wonderful gesture is to play the victim.
I just noticed this thread got to three pages long and nobody mentioned Wojo yet.
Just wanted to get it in before the lock.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 07, 2022, 08:51:30 PM
Wow! I am not deserving of an account because I think racism stinks; and no I don't see the difference. You don't end discrimination with more discrimination and if you can't see that we are never going to move forward on race.
Actually...yes, you do.
Do you golf? Lemme give you an example that might help you understand. Based on your username I'm going to assume you are a 1969 graduate, which makes you a little older than many other scoopers. My guess is, your golf game isn't what it once was. When you golf with younger golfers, they probably beat you. Boy, it sure isn't fair that the rules of golf discriminate against older people who can't hit the ball as far or who have back problems.
What's the solution? A handicap! It's an adjustment that takes into account your situation and adjusts scores so that you can fairly compete against other golfers with more/less skill, younger/older, etc. A handicap in golf is discrimination. A weaker golfer gets a handicap because they are in need of it. You can call it "positive" discrimination, but it's still discrimination. But it makes the game of golf between you and your 25-yo nephew a lot more fair. It levels the playing field.
Likewise, a donation that allocates funds to help students who are traditionally disadvantaged levels the playing field, by recognizing their situation and discriminating in their favor to make things more even and fair.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on February 07, 2022, 09:14:02 PM
Actually...yes, you do.
Do you golf? Lemme give you an example that might help you understand. Based on your username I'm going to assume you are a 1969 graduate, which makes you a little older than many other scoopers. My guess is, your golf game isn't what it once was. When you golf with younger golfers, they probably beat you. Boy, it sure isn't fair that the rules of golf discriminate against older people who can't hit the ball as far or who have back problems.
What's the solution? A handicap! It's an adjustment that takes into account your situation and adjusts scores so that you can fairly compete against other golfers with more/less skill, younger/older, etc. A handicap in golf is discrimination. A weaker golfer gets a handicap because they are in need of it. You can call it "positive" discrimination, but it's still discrimination. But it makes the game of golf between you and your 25-yo nephew a lot more fair. It levels the playing field.
Likewise, a donation that allocates funds to help students who are traditionally disadvantaged levels the playing field, by recognizing their situation and discriminating in their favor to make things more even and fair.
Nicely put.
And well done Mr. and Mrs. Smart. Great representatives of Marquette.
Bottom line, it's their money and they can give it any way they want.
The thing that is getting people bent out of shape is that it went through Marquette.
Now if the Smart's gave their money to whoever they want without Marquette's involvement, no one could or should give a hoot.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 07, 2022, 08:51:30 PM
Wow! I am not deserving of an account because I think racism stinks; and no I don't see the difference. You don't end discrimination with more discrimination and if you can't see that we are never going to move forward on race.
If you thought racism stunk, you would have applauded the Smart's donation, full stop. The donation will hopefully help Black students who are in need. There are already opportunities for white students to get the help they need, sometimes easier than it is for a Black student. However, you chose to bring race/ism into the conversation where it did not belong. There is a difference, there are differences, that's the point, saying there aren't is actually a form of racism. This donation actually helps make those differences disappear, which is what you want, right?
Quote from: SaveOD238 on February 07, 2022, 09:14:02 PM
Actually...yes, you do.
Do you golf? Lemme give you an example that might help you understand. Based on your username I'm going to assume you are a 1969 graduate, which makes you a little older than many other scoopers. My guess is, your golf game isn't what it once was. When you golf with younger golfers, they probably beat you. Boy, it sure isn't fair that the rules of golf discriminate against older people who can't hit the ball as far or who have back problems.
What's the solution? A handicap! It's an adjustment that takes into account your situation and adjusts scores so that you can fairly compete against other golfers with more/less skill, younger/older, etc. A handicap in golf is discrimination. A weaker golfer gets a handicap because they are in need of it. You can call it "positive" discrimination, but it's still discrimination. But it makes the game of golf between you and your 25-yo nephew a lot more fair. It levels the playing field.
Likewise, a donation that allocates funds to help students who are traditionally disadvantaged levels the playing field, by recognizing their situation and discriminating in their favor to make things more even and fair.
Setting aside, for a moment, how I personally feel on this subject. Your analogy is terrible. Golf handicaps are not based on immutable characteristics. You don't show up at the first tee and get 2 extra strokes based on race, height, or weight. It is a system to try and equate player scores based on their prior performance. I wonder if we should give Tiger Woods extra strokes? As far as the Smarts' donation...I'm glad we live in a country where they, through their hard work, have the means to make such a donation. Good on them.
If I established a fund to benefit only Latvian students, would such an act be as lauded/berated/extolled/condemned? Would anyone care? Or would anyone complain that such a move would disproportionately benefit whites (since that what the majority of Latvians are) and was therefore discriminatory?
I feel that I'm basically colorblind. Should I therefore complain about the specificity of this bequest?
Or do the defenders of it's exclusion of many groups have the right approach?
I remember posting in the past about BLM - my position was that ALM (as in all). Luckily, I was perceived as meaning only what I said, and not vilified. The fact of the matter is that many gifts are restricted as to recipients and their eligibility. I went to college with a full-tuition scholarship. But it was available only to graduates of my high school (of course, you had to outperform your competitors) so couldn't the grads of another nearby competing school complain that I had an unfair advantage?
The fact of the matter is that many charitable donations or foundations or scholarships are set up with a limited target group. Kudos to Shaka for his generosity. Let's not denigrate it just because of the specificity of the target group and the fact that it involves skin color.
A great gesture from our coach and his wife to help members of the Marquette community. I'm really glad to have them here.
Some of you people would bitch about a blow job.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 07, 2022, 02:42:45 PM
So today I learned only Black students at MU incur unanticipated loss or travel emergencies as well as food and safety need.
Perfect.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 07, 2022, 08:51:30 PM
Wow! I am not deserving of an account because I think racism stinks; and no I don't see the difference. You don't end discrimination with more discrimination and if you can't see that we are never going to move forward on race.
Also perfect.
Quote from: MDMU04 on February 07, 2022, 10:06:24 PM
A great gesture from our coach and his wife to help members of the Marquette community. I'm really glad to have them here.
Some of you people would bitch about a blow job.
What's a blow job?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 07, 2022, 07:54:57 PM
I'm sure state schools that do that would be in violation of civil rights laws.
Hi. I work in Title VII and Title IX compliance for a university.
1. You would be incorrect.
2. Civil rights laws also apply to Marquette.
3. You've tried to make this argument in the past and it has been explained to you that it is wrong.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on February 07, 2022, 10:03:30 PM
If I established a fund to benefit only Latvian students, would such an act be as lauded/berated/extolled/condemned? Would anyone care? Or would anyone complain that such a move would disproportionately benefit whites (since that what the majority of Latvians are) and was therefore discriminatory?
Depends. Is the fund for students who are literally from Latvia or who parents immigrated from Latvia? Then no, because international students and first generation immigrants are traditionally marginalized populations in this country. Is the fund for White kids who can maybe prove that one of their great great grandparents was half-Latvian? Then maybe, it could be okay if the award was somehow tied to celebrating Latvian culture. If it was an obvious front to set up special funds for White kids? Then yes, it would probably get called out.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on February 07, 2022, 10:03:30 PM
If I established a fund to benefit only Latvian students, would such an act be as lauded/berated/extolled/condemned? Would anyone care? Or would anyone complain that such a move would disproportionately benefit whites (since that what the majority of Latvians are) and was therefore discriminatory?
I feel that I'm basically colorblind. Should I therefore complain about the specificity of this bequest?
Or do the defenders of it's exclusion of many groups have the right approach?
I remember posting in the past about BLM - my position was that ALM (as in all). Luckily, I was perceived as meaning only what I said, and not vilified. The fact of the matter is that many gifts are restricted as to recipients and their eligibility. I went to college with a full-tuition scholarship. But it was available only to graduates of my high school (of course, you had to outperform your competitors) so couldn't the grads of another nearby competing school complain that I had an unfair advantage?
The fact of the matter is that many charitable donations or foundations or scholarships are set up with a limited target group. Kudos to Shaka for his generosity. Let's not denigrate it just because of the specificity of the target group and the fact that it involves skin color.
Very good explanation - hope it helps the few who were having trouble with something we should all be celebrating.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on February 07, 2022, 02:58:48 PM
Agree Chick, this can only be considered a positive. Any other slant is pathetic. People here can be real idiots.
I think what Billy is trying to say is ...why not maintain a single fund that helps all students that encounter a financial emergency hardship? (making a monetary donation in someone's name, i.e. Bo Ellis, to that single fund). Definitely a great commitment by Coach Smart. (Btw, anyone know how the university makes known to students that a fund is available for such emergencies?)
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on February 07, 2022, 06:43:01 PM
I'm not wrong. No school is going to accept an emergency fund that only supports white students. Sorry you see it as racist.
...would it be racist if a charitable fund did not distribute based on skin color/ethnicity?
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 07, 2022, 08:56:22 PM
Lol. Now I understand why you are getting all bent out of shape over this. Kind of embarrassing but not surprising that your primary reaction to this wonderful gesture is to play the victim.
If a white coach did the exact same thing for poor white kids would the gesture be considered wonderful? In fact in todays climate no white coach would even conceive of doing such a thing. That is not playing the victim it stating the ugly truth.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on February 07, 2022, 09:14:02 PM
Actually...yes, you do.
Do you golf? Lemme give you an example that might help you understand. Based on your username I'm going to assume you are a 1969 graduate, which makes you a little older than many other scoopers. My guess is, your golf game isn't what it once was. When you golf with younger golfers, they probably beat you. Boy, it sure isn't fair that the rules of golf discriminate against older people who can't hit the ball as far or who have back problems.
What's the solution? A handicap! It's an adjustment that takes into account your situation and adjusts scores so that you can fairly compete against other golfers with more/less skill, younger/older, etc. A handicap in golf is discrimination. A weaker golfer gets a handicap because they are in need of it. You can call it "positive" discrimination, but it's still discrimination. But it makes the game of golf between you and your 25-yo nephew a lot more fair. It levels the playing field.
Likewise, a donation that allocates funds to help students who are traditionally disadvantaged levels the playing field, by recognizing their situation and discriminating in their favor to make things more even and fair.
you can't be serious?
Imagine bitching about someone giving money to help others.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 07, 2022, 10:14:57 PM
Hi. I work in Title VII and Title IX compliance for a university.
1. You would be incorrect.
2. Civil rights laws also apply to Marquette.
3. You've tried to make this argument in the past and it has been explained to you that it is wrong.
How so, I am 75 and your explanation escapes me at present.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 07, 2022, 10:40:45 PM
How so, I am 75 and your explanation escapes me at present.
Civil rights laws do not forbid universities and companies from sponsoring programs meant to support traditionally minoritized populations. It's why the NFL never gets in trouble for the Rooney Rule.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 07, 2022, 10:22:18 PM
Depends. Is the fund for students who are literally from Latvia or who parents immigrated from Latvia? Then no, because international students and first generation immigrants are traditionally marginalized populations in this country. Is the fund for White kids who can maybe prove that one of their great great grandparents was half-Latvian? Then maybe, it could be okay if the award was somehow tied to celebrating Latvian culture. If it was an obvious front to set up special funds for White kids? Then yes, it would probably get called out.
...and here I am calling out just the opposite.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 07, 2022, 10:32:11 PM
If a white coach did the exact same thing for poor white kids would the gesture be considered wonderful? In fact in todays climate no white coach would even conceive of doing such a thing. That is not playing the victim it stating the ugly truth.
Been happening for generations. And, yes, it would be considered wonderful as it is currently considered wonderful to help the less fortunate. The difference is that being white has never been a hindrance to getting help.
Quote from: Viper on February 07, 2022, 10:23:58 PM
I think what Billy is trying to say is ...why not maintain a single fund that helps all students that encounter a financial emergency hardship? (making a monetary donation in someone's name, i.e. Bo Ellis, to that single fund). Definitely a great commitment by Coach Smart. (Btw, anyone know how the university makes known to students that a fund is available for such emergencies?)
The university does maintain such a fund that helps all students that encounter a financial emergency hardship. This fund is in addition to that, which benefits all students because it takes burden off the already existing fund.
I can't speak for all universities but the one I work for covers its existence at orientation, has information about it on the website, and it's covered in all the handbooks and whatnot....but it still is mostly unknown to the student body. It's really on the employees to know about the funds and then direct students to it when one of their students are in need.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 07, 2022, 10:52:59 PM
...and here I am calling out just the opposite.
Maybe ask yourself why that is and try to be honest with the answer.
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on February 07, 2022, 10:54:53 PM
Been happening for generations. And, yes, it would be considered wonderful as it is currently considered wonderful to help the less fortunate. The difference is that being white has never been a hindrance to getting help.
Tell that to the Jews in this country.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 07, 2022, 11:02:28 PM
Tell that to the Jews in this country.
Appreciate the discourse, clearly what you reference here is indisputable. Not really what we are discussing, but true. I don't know you, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you're a good guy. The Smart's donation to help Black students is exceptional, and also indisputable.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 07, 2022, 10:58:56 PM
Maybe ask yourself why that is and try to be honest with the answer.
Do I think Shaka is a racist, no; but his donation based on skin color rather than need, is. That is my opinion and if that opinion in the eyes of many here think that is wrong so be it. I hope we're all entitled to our opinion. It is obvious we see the world differently.
Racists consider "reverse racism" to be the real racism.
400 years ... and the white man just can't get a break in America. Not one stinkin' break!
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 07, 2022, 11:12:06 PM
Do I think Shaka is a racist, no; but his donation based on skin color rather than need, is. That is my opinion and if that opinion in the eyes of many here think that is wrong so be it. I hope we're all entitled to our opinion. It is obvious we see the world differently.
No it's not. THEY ARE THE SAME PEOPLE.
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on February 07, 2022, 11:06:09 PM
Appreciate the discourse, clearly what you reference here is indisputable. Not really what we are discussing, but true. I don't know you, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you're a good guy. The Smart's donation to help Black students is exceptional, and also indisputable.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 07, 2022, 11:02:28 PM
Tell that to the Jews in this country.
Quote from: MDMU04 on February 07, 2022, 10:06:24 PM
A great gesture from our coach and his wife to help members of the Marquette community. I'm really glad to have them here.
Some of you people would bitch about a blow job.
Two bea phair. Der are bjs and den der are bjs, aina?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 07, 2022, 11:12:06 PM
Do I think Shaka is a racist, no; but his donation based on skin color rather than need, is. That is my opinion and if that opinion in the eyes of many here think that is wrong so be it. I hope we're all entitled to our opinion. It is obvious we see the world differently.
It is completely based on need. That's the whole point of the gift. Marquette has these funds available for everyone but the endowment started by the Smarts will target Black students.
Why is this so hard to understand?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 07, 2022, 07:54:57 PM
When you accept a gift exclusively for one race and refuse the gift exclusively for the another race how can it not be racist. I'm sure state schools that do that would be in violation of civil rights laws. MU as a private school can do what it likes and I hope they would not refuse such a gift as some here already have said the pie only gets bigger and more people benefit.
You just made that up.
Eat at Arby's
And it'll kill ya, aina?
Will this improve recruiting?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 07, 2022, 11:02:28 PM
Tell that to the Jews in this country.
Bring white isn't why Jews in this country have been mistreated. Bring Jewish is why.
There are plenty of difficulties white people go through. Just being white doesn't add to those difficulties.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on February 08, 2022, 06:07:04 AM
Bring white isn't why Jews in this country have been mistreated. Bring Jewish is why.
There are plenty of difficulties white people go through. Just being white doesn't add to those difficulties.
Correct
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 07, 2022, 11:12:06 PM
Do I think Shaka is a racist, no; but his donation based on skin color rather than need, is. That is my opinion and if that opinion in the eyes of many here think that is wrong so be it. I hope we're all entitled to our opinion. It is obvious we see the world differently.
Your opinion is ill-informed. There is already a disparity in financial ability to pay between white and Black students, largely due to overall economic disparities that have been compounded generation after generation. The playing field is extremely uneven, and has been since the beginning (for example, white high school dropouts amass, on the whole, more wealth than black college graduates--and it's not even close). Black students take out more loans, and at much larger amounts, than white students, and they have a harder time paying them back because the racial wealth gap continues after graduation. In public universities, they are 2.5x more likely to drop out than white students, often for financial reasons. The gap is somewhat smaller in private institutions in part because of selectivity and larger endowments/scholarships to support students. Those are well-documented facts.
The pandemic has exacerbated the issue, as many low-income students have left school because they don't have the computer infrastructure (PCs, wifi at home) to successfully complete online classes. In fact, one of the most important post-pandemic recommendations that those who study issues like this have made is that universities need to have healthy, well-advertised emergency funding to support students in crisis times.
Emergency funding like this goes a long way to keeping students in school, and in particular, it's important that Black students know that this funding is available and that they can apply for it. A recent study showed that 2/3 of Black students who didn't apply for this kind of support said that they needed it (compared to 44% of white students). More than half of the Black students didn't even know such support was available.
So not only is the gift itself generous and much needed, the publicity surrounding it also makes students aware that help is available.
Great job, Shaka.
Quote from: cj111 on February 08, 2022, 06:12:26 AM
Your opinion is ill-informed. There is already a disparity in financial ability to pay between white and Black students, largely due to overall economic disparities that have been compounded generation after generation. The playing field is extremely uneven, and has been since the beginning (for example, white high school dropouts amass, on the whole, more wealth than black college graduates--and it's not even close). Black students take out more loans, and at much larger amounts, than white students, and they have a harder time paying them back because the racial wealth gap continues after graduation. In public universities, they are 2.5x more likely to drop out than white students, often for financial reasons. The gap is somewhat smaller in private institutions in part because of selectivity and larger endowments/scholarships to support students. Those are well-documented facts.
The pandemic has exacerbated the issue, as many low-income students have left school because they don't have the computer infrastructure (PCs, wifi at home) to successfully complete online classes. In fact, one of the most important post-pandemic recommendations that those who study issues like this have made is that universities need to have healthy, well-advertised emergency funding to support students in crisis times.
Emergency funding like this goes a long way to keeping students in school, and in particular, it's important that Black students know that this funding is available and that they can apply for it. A recent study showed that 2/3 of Black students who didn't apply for this kind of support said that they needed it (compared to 44% of white students). More than half of the Black students didn't even know such support was available.
So not only is the gift itself generous and much needed, the publicity surrounding it also makes students aware that help is available.
Excellent post.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 07, 2022, 11:12:06 PM
Do I think Shaka is a racist, no; but his donation based on skin color rather than need, is. That is my opinion and if that opinion in the eyes of many here think that is wrong so be it. I hope we're all entitled to our opinion. It is obvious we see the world differently.
Of course you are entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong or problematic it is. It's a free country.
And you misunderstood what I meant. I want you to really think about why the only time you make any posts about racism you are only concerned when the "racism" targets White people and you don't make a peep about racism that targets non-white people. Try to be honest with yourself
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 07, 2022, 11:02:28 PM
Tell that to the Jews in this country.
He didn't say White people have never faced difficulties. He said they have never faced difficulties because they are White. Jewish people are targeted because they are Jewish, not because they are White. White people who are gay and trans are also targeted but not because of their race. If the Smarts wanted to make funds fir Jewish or LGBTQ students, that would be accepted too
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 07, 2022, 10:32:11 PM
If a white coach did the exact same thing for poor white kids would the gesture be considered wonderful? In fact in todays climate no white coach would even conceive of doing such a thing. That is not playing the victim it stating the ugly truth.
Nope. It is absolutely playing the victim and I guess you just can't help it or even see it, that's how strongly it's been ingrained into you.
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on February 07, 2022, 10:54:53 PM
Been happening for generations. And, yes, it would be considered wonderful as it is currently considered wonderful to help the less fortunate. The difference is that being white has never been a hindrance to getting help.
Perfectly stated
Thank you, Mr. and Mrs Smart, for your gracious and generous contribution.
Quote from: denverMU on February 07, 2022, 09:57:07 PM
Setting aside, for a moment, how I personally feel on this subject. Your analogy is terrible. Golf handicaps are not based on immutable characteristics. You don't show up at the first tee and get 2 extra strokes based on race, height, or weight. It is a system to try and equate player scores based on their prior performance. I wonder if we should give Tiger Woods extra strokes? As far as the Smarts' donation...I'm glad we live in a country where they, through their hard work, have the means to make such a donation. Good on them.
Let's change the subject here a bit from racism and the smarts...
And here is a hot take... Golf Sucks. It's boring. It's lazy. It takes an insane amount of skill. But there is so little joy in it. Also it's expensive. Ugh. I hate golf.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 08, 2022, 06:43:35 AM
He didn't say White people have never faced difficulties. He said they have never faced difficulties because they are White. Jewish people are targeted because they are Jewish, not because they are White. White people who are gay and trans are also targeted but not because of their race. If the Smarts wanted to make funds fir Jewish or LGBTQ students, that would be accepted too
The Jews were targeted because of their race, their physical characteristics. Just look at all the Nazi Propaganda towards the Jews. They were not racially pure as far as the Nazi's were concerned.
Quote from: cj111 on February 08, 2022, 06:12:26 AM
Your opinion is ill-informed. There is already a disparity in financial ability to pay between white and Black students, largely due to overall economic disparities that have been compounded generation after generation. The playing field is extremely uneven, and has been since the beginning (for example, white high school dropouts amass, on the whole, more wealth than black college graduates--and it's not even close). Black students take out more loans, and at much larger amounts, than white students, and they have a harder time paying them back because the racial wealth gap continues after graduation. In public universities, they are 2.5x more likely to drop out than white students, often for financial reasons. The gap is somewhat smaller in private institutions in part because of selectivity and larger endowments/scholarships to support students. Those are well-documented facts.
The pandemic has exacerbated the issue, as many low-income students have left school because they don't have the computer infrastructure (PCs, wifi at home) to successfully complete online classes. In fact, one of the most important post-pandemic recommendations that those who study issues like this have made is that universities need to have healthy, well-advertised emergency funding to support students in crisis times.
Emergency funding like this goes a long way to keeping students in school, and in particular, it's important that Black students know that this funding is available and that they can apply for it. A recent study showed that 2/3 of Black students who didn't apply for this kind of support said that they needed it (compared to 44% of white students). More than half of the Black students didn't even know such support was available.
So not only is the gift itself generous and much needed, the publicity surrounding it also makes students aware that help is available.
This is really, really good.
One other issue is that financial emergencies most often need to be managed by first generation students. Not only because their parents tend to make less than those with college degrees, but because they don't understand how to navigate higher education and understand where to go for help. Black students, and other racial minorities, are more likely to be first generation students.
Again, this isn't going to deny support for majority students that need help. It increases the money available. Its just that distributions from the Bo and Candy Ellis Endowment will be used directly to support Black students.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 08, 2022, 07:38:55 AM
The Jews were targeted because of their race, their physical characteristics. Just look at all the Nazi Propaganda towards the Jews. They were not racially pure as far as the Nazi's were concerned.
OK but this doesn't counter anything that TAMU said.
More money = good!
Quote from: fjm on February 08, 2022, 07:18:22 AM
Let's change the subject here a bit from racism and the smarts...
And here is a hot take... Golf Sucks. It's boring. It's lazy. It takes an insane amount of skill. But there is so little joy in it. Also it's expensive. Ugh. I hate golf.
It is all fun and games until you start criticizing golf.
I have been utterly amazed by some of the vitriol in the comments criticizing Coach and Mrs. Smart for their generosity.
C'mon folks, we're better than this!
Let's be real. The African-American sections of too many of our communities in the United States have faced the worst of our nation's poverty, crime, poor quality education and a host of other vices that too many of us have never and may never experience. Out of these debilitating issues comes a group of students who are capable and willing to do Marquette work and you're fussing because Coach and Mrs. Smart do something that makes sure these folks get the financial support to ensure their physical and/or emotional needs are met?
Wow.
I admit I was fortunate. When I had a couple of health issues in college, I dialed up Mom and Dad and things were handled. Not everyone has that opportunity. And, I'll admit that poverty among students is colorblind. But nobody has proven that Caucasian or other groups of Marquette students haven't been able to get the emergency assistance they need. Coach and Mrs. Smart have added something significant to assist an often-challenged base of students and some of you people have the unmitigated gall to go off the deep end.
For you who are concerned about set-asides, let me explain things this way. As some of you who have read what I write in the past know (or those of you who know me), my political beliefs are moderately to the right of Brother MU. That's OK and I hope Brother MU continues his passion in his advocacy. But for those of us who are Conservative, we believe in equality of opportunity. My wife and I have given to Marquette's scholarship funds for most of the past 42 years because we believe the way out of poverty is education. We're pretty certain that a good hunk of the money we gave was used by students who either don't look, believe or think like we do. Yet, we know that for our society to improve and for those who didn't have what we had, or our children had, to prosper, folks who are disadvantaged need what Marquette gives -- tools for life!
I can't speak for Coach or Mrs. Smart, but I have to believe they think the same way. I'm confident Marquette will use their generous gift wisely and, as I said earlier in this thread, I really would encourage everybody who reads this thread to follow Coach and Mrs. Smart's example! C'mon Folks, Be the Difference!!!!!
Coach's and Mrs. Smart's last name describes them well!
I can't believe there's a Black History Month without there also being a White History Month. Whites have been deprived history for too long in this country! We want history! We want history!
Oh, and what's with Breast Cancer Awareness Month? Why are so many Americans prejudiced against all the other forms of cancer?
Quote from: dgies9156 on February 08, 2022, 08:08:44 AM
I have been utterly amazed by some of the vitriol in the comments criticizing Coach and Mrs. Smart for their generosity.
Sometimes thoughts are best not said and certainly not typed over and over.
This is a very thoughtful gesture by the smarts and is aligned with his message from last game that equity needs action not just verbal support (warning: paraphrasing from memory before i get scoop blasted).
Quote from: dgies9156 on February 08, 2022, 08:08:44 AM
I have been utterly amazed by some of the vitriol in the comments criticizing Coach and Mrs. Smart for their generosity.
C'mon folks, we're better than this!
Let's be real. The African-American sections of too many of our communities in the United States have faced the worst of our nation's poverty, crime, poor quality education and a host of other vices that too many of us have never and may never experience. Out of these debilitating issues comes a group of students who are capable and willing to do Marquette work and you're fussing because Coach and Mrs. Smart do something that makes sure these folks get the financial support to ensure their physical and/or emotional needs are met?
Wow.
I admit I was fortunate. When I had a couple of health issues in college, I dialed up Mom and Dad and things were handled. Not everyone has that opportunity. And, I'll admit that poverty among students is colorblind. But nobody has proven that Caucasian or other groups of Marquette students haven't been able to get the emergency assistance they need. Coach and Mrs. Smart have added something significant to assist an often-challenged base of students and some of you people have the unmitigated gall to go off the deep end.
For you who are concerned about set-asides, let me explain things this way. As some of you who have read what I write in the past know (or those of you who know me), my political beliefs are moderately to the right of Brother MU. That's OK and I hope Brother MU continues his passion in his advocacy. But for those of us who are Conservative, we believe in equality of opportunity. My wife and I have given to Marquette's scholarship funds for most of the past 42 years because we believe the way out of poverty is education. We're pretty certain that a good hunk of the money we gave was used by students who either don't look, believe or think like we do. Yet, we know that for our society to improve and for those who didn't have what we had, or our children had, to prosper, folks who are disadvantaged need what Marquette gives -- tools for life!
I can't speak for Coach or Mrs. Smart, but I have to believe they think the same way. I'm confident Marquette will use their generous gift wisely and, as I said earlier in this thread, I really would encourage everybody who reads this thread to follow Coach and Mrs. Smart's example! C'mon Folks, Be the Difference!!!!!
Coach's and Mrs. Smart's last name describes them well!
Superbly stated.
And there really hasn't been much vitriol. Just a couple of ignorant posters; I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and say they're simply too brainwashed to know better.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on February 08, 2022, 06:07:04 AM
Bring white isn't why Jews in this country have been mistreated. Bring Jewish is why.
There are plenty of difficulties white people go through. Just being white doesn't add to those difficulties.
While I disagree with 69 and the insane arguments a few others point at around this thread there's something you said here that I find very wrong and need to address.
Jews have not always been historically white. Yes they are now and have received at least two generations of the privilege of being welcomed to the party, however that doesn't mean they've had the benefit of accruing generational wealth due to white privilege. It's also why so many other previously marginalized groups get defensive in response to the concept. We generally accept the idea of "generational pain" in regards to African American and indigenous mistreatment but ignore it for any white groups who were not considered white very recently and we're not equitably added to the party.
Essentially I'm saying there's a big big difference between saying "I'm a wasp from new England who's had money going back to the mayflower" and saying "I'm a (white hispanic, Irish, Greek, Jewish, Italian, etc) that was added to the 'whitelist' in the teens-40s"
To 69:
Now that being said I know for a fact individual white heritage foundations and scholarships exist. It's BS to get worked up over this donation going to black students. They are currently still marginalized. Also if, let's say for arguments sake, that 50% of the African American undergrads experience poverty and the same stat is true for white students. That leaves 4,000 white students standing in line for these funds at the general fund and 219 black students hoping for a small piece of the pie. Is the fund really able to allocate for all them? My guess is no, Shakas making a spot where the black students don't have to stand in line behind a disproportionate amount of white students in order to receive a check. This also benefits the white students as now there's 419 people less they're sharing that main fund with so it's really just ensuring the black students aren't getting pocket chain at the end of the line.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 08, 2022, 07:38:55 AM
The Jews were targeted because of their race, their physical characteristics. Just look at all the Nazi Propaganda towards the Jews. They were not racially pure as far as the Nazi's were concerned.
Yes and it's because their race was Jewish, not White. Hitler loved the Whites. And as Galway pointed out, many Jews, especially those in Europe at the time of the Holocaust were not considered White or White passing
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 08, 2022, 08:34:00 AM
While I disagree with 69 and the insane arguments a few others point at around this thread there's something you said here that I find very wrong and need to address.
Jews have not always been historically white. Yes they are now and have received at least two generations of the privilege of being welcomed to the party, however that doesn't mean they've had the benefit of accruing generational wealth due to white privilege. It's also why so many other previously marginalized groups get defensive in response to the concept. We generally accept the idea of "generational pain" in regards to African American and indigenous mistreatment but ignore it for any white groups who were not considered white very recently and we're not equitably added to the party.
Essentially I'm saying there's a big big difference between saying "I'm a wasp from new England who's had money going back to the mayflower" and saying "I'm a (white hispanic, Irish, Greek, Jewish, Italian, etc) that was added to the 'whitelist' in the teens-40s"
To 69:
Now that being said I know for a fact individual white heritage foundations and scholarships exist. It's BS to get worked up over this donation going to black students. They are currently still marginalized. Also if, let's say for arguments sake, that 50% of the African American undergrads experience poverty and the same stat is true for white students. That leaves 4,000 white students standing in line for these funds at the general fund and 219 black students hoping for a small piece of the pie. Is the fund really able to allocate for all them? My guess is no, Shakas making a spot where the black students don't have to stand in line behind a disproportionate amount of white students in order to receive a check. This also benefits the white students as now there's 419 people less they're sharing that main fund with so it's really just ensuring the black students aren't getting pocket chain at the end of the line.
I would hope the funds go to the students who are most in need. As cj111 stated the black dropout rate is 2.5 times higher than whites which would indicate that the funds should go to more black students than white.
If you want to contribute to the fund that Mr & Mrs Smart just endowed in honor of Bo and Candy Ellis, you can go here (https://timetorise.marquette.edu/give) and donate to the Student Success Fund. It's not in the default list, so you have to search for it.
(https://i.imgur.com/SCZcSng.png)
Here's an article with quotes from the Smart and Ellis families - https://www.marquette.edu/news-center/2022/shaka-and-maya-smart-make-major-gift-to-marquette.php
Quote from: MU82 on February 08, 2022, 08:29:14 AM
Superbly stated.
And there really hasn't been much vitriol. Just a couple of ignorant posters; I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and say they're simply too brainwashed to know better.
Brother MU:
Less brainwashing and more stuck in a construct based on past experience.
In the years since I was graduated, I've come across more than a few people who are either angry or bitter because of the combination of cost and lack of support for their educational efforts. Many don't give to Marquette because they think the university is awash in money.
It isn't -- perhaps unfortunately, but it isn't.
Into the construct of "I didn't get any" comes targeted gifts and people become angered. It's the old "why should they get it when I didn't" view of the world. This anger is especially prevalent when funds and opportunity are earmarked for specific groups of people, whoever they are.
Perhaps it's because my wife and I experienced some of the worst of human nature vented at our children because of the implications from being born into overseas orphanages, but our eyes have been opened to the fact that we really don't understand the conditions from which many disadvantaged folks come. We can't understand because our middle class experiences are very different. Just like few who lives in upper middle class America can understand conditions in a post-Soviet era orphanage, few of us can truly understand what happens in a community where bullets fly, schools stink and traditional families and infrastructures that encourage us, don't often exist.
We should celebrate the folks that make a difference, rather than disparage them.
As a side note, one of my good friends is involved in University of Texas athletics and had several opportunities to meet with Coach and Mrs. Smart. His comments from Day 1 were we were getting an incredible coach and, importantly, two incredible people. Boy was he right! On both counts.
Here's something from the Smart's Richmond days.
https://richmondmagazine.com/news/news/interview-maya-payne-smart
Thank you coach and Mrs. Smart for your generous gift. College can be challenging enough, but managing college while dealing with financial or social pressures can break many people. Marquette University should always strive to push students to pursue academic excellence while supporting them in ways that allow them to achieve their fullest potential.
Again thank you to the Smarts for their incredible leadership. Marquette is so incredibly blessed to have them apart of this community.
In less than 11 months since stepping foot on campus, the Smart family has improved both the state of the athletic program and the entire University as a whole. Anyone who does not appreciate that should go root for Notre Dame. Thank you Shaka & Maya!
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 08, 2022, 09:27:00 AM
Here's something from the Smart's Richmond days.
https://richmondmagazine.com/news/news/interview-maya-payne-smart
Living proof Journalists (and former business writers to boot) make the smartest people! ;D
Eat your hearts out, Engineers! LOL
Red sumwear dat Jesus wuz Jewish, aina?
Crean sucks
Quote from: dgies9156 on February 08, 2022, 09:50:02 AM
Living proof Journalists (and former business writers to boot) make the smartest people! ;D
Eat your hearts out, Engineers! LOL
Maya soft pedaled being the choice for "Christmas Mother" in this article. There was a long tradition of selecting someone who was socially prominent as well as wealthy. The socially prominent factor often included an "FFV" (First Families of Virginia), meaning a descendant of families that trace their ancestry back to colonial times. It was much more than a decision to choose a young black woman. The choice of Maya was pivotal in a city that was firmly rooted in the past.
This is actually a really good thread. Considering the subject matter, the discourse has been very civil.
Quote from: dgies9156 on February 08, 2022, 09:25:47 AM
Brother MU:
Less brainwashing and more stuck in a construct based on past experience.
In the years since I was graduated, I've come across more than a few people who are either angry or bitter because of the combination of cost and lack of support for their educational efforts. Many don't give to Marquette because they think the university is awash in money.
It isn't -- perhaps unfortunately, but it isn't.
Into the construct of "I didn't get any" comes targeted gifts and people become angered. It's the old "why should they get it when I didn't" view of the world. This anger is especially prevalent when funds and opportunity are earmarked for specific groups of people, whoever they are.
Perhaps it's because my wife and I experienced some of the worst of human nature vented at our children because of the implications from being born into overseas orphanages, but our eyes have been opened to the fact that we really don't understand the conditions from which many disadvantaged folks come. We can't understand because our middle class experiences are very different. Just like few who lives in upper middle class America can understand conditions in a post-Soviet era orphanage, few of us can truly understand what happens in a community where bullets fly, schools stink and traditional families and infrastructures that encourage us, don't often exist.
We should celebrate the folks that make a difference, rather than disparage them.
As a side note, one of my good friends is involved in University of Texas athletics and had several opportunities to meet with Coach and Mrs. Smart. His comments from Day 1 were we were getting an incredible coach and, importantly, two incredible people. Boy was he right! On both counts.
Yet another outstanding post. Thanks for offering the unique insights you have.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 08, 2022, 09:56:41 AM
Red sumwear dat Jesus wuz Jewish, aina?
One of our boys who made it fairly big.
Quote from: MU82 on February 08, 2022, 11:33:03 AM
One of our boys who made it fairly big.
It was due to his Jewish mother. Don't forget his first miracle was a result of her prodding at the wedding at Cana.
Quote from: warriorchick on February 08, 2022, 11:39:13 AM
It was due to his Jewish mother.
Oy, she wanted him to be a doctor.
Then again, he allegedly did heal lepers. I wonder if he used horse de-wormer.
Quote from: MU82 on February 08, 2022, 12:50:25 PM
Oy, she wanted him to be a doctor.
I bet, especially back then, that rabbi > doctor.
Quote from: warriorchick on February 08, 2022, 02:37:47 PM
I bet, especially back then, that rabbi > doctor.
I hear she said, "Jesus F. Christ ... why don't you wanna be a doctor?"
Quote from: MU82 on February 08, 2022, 02:39:28 PM
I hear she said, "Jesus F. Christ ... why don't you wanna be a doctor?"
I like to imagine the situation where she goes up to him at the wedding and says, "Bubala, they ran out of wine" and he's all "Jeez, Mom, what do you want me to do about it? You're embarrassing me in front of all of my friends!"
Quote from: warriorchick on February 08, 2022, 02:44:18 PM
I like to imagine the situation where she goes up to him at the wedding and says, "Bubala, they ran out of wine" and he's all "Jeez, Mom, what do you want me to do about it? You're embarrassing me in front of all of my friends!"
Mom to Jesus: "I'm not going to tell you what to do, but, you are the Son of God and I'm going to be veeeeerrrrrrrry disappointed if my best friend's wedding isn't perfect! Jesus, I'll be hearing about that at the Temple Euchre game for months!"
Jesus to Mom: "It's too late to call Meyer over at the wine distributor and get a delivery. His donkeys are being fed and watered..."
Mom to Jesus: "Is that sass I hear????"
Jesus to Mom: "Yes Ma'am.... I'm on it!"
I'm only your mother. Would it hurt for you to step away from your 12 friends for a moment and do something nice for the woman who brought you into this world? Hanging out with fishermen. Oy. I tried to raise you better than that.
Quote from: tower912 on February 08, 2022, 03:09:47 PM
I'm only your mother. Would it hurt for you to step away from your 12 friends for a moment and do something nice for the woman who brought you into this world? Hanging out with fishermen. Oy. I tried to raise you better than that.
Jesus' friends: "Paaaartaaay!"
When they weren't chatting up bridesmaids.
Quote from: Viper on February 07, 2022, 10:23:58 PM
I think what Billy is trying to say is ...why not maintain a single fund that helps all students that encounter a financial emergency hardship? (making a monetary donation in someone's name, i.e. Bo Ellis, to that single fund). Definitely a great commitment by Coach Smart. (Btw, anyone know how the university makes known to students that a fund is available for such emergencies?)
I did say that but the woke guilt complex many have fallen into refuses to allow one to read it that way and instead virtue signal and attack.
Here's how I see this in a real life situation. My niece and nephew are at MU and an emergency happens necessitating they go home. Or maybe they both are out of money. My niece (white and NA) gets nothing, my nephew (adopted Black young man) qualifies and gets help. How is that not blatant discrimination to deny one sibling because of the color of her skin? What about a Hmong refugee, or a DACA kid who can't get federal aid? MU should be above segregating our student body; help all who need it. Disappointing.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 09, 2022, 03:22:52 PM
I did say that but the woke guilt complex many have fallen into refuses to allow one to read it that way and instead virtue signal and attack.
Here's how I see this in a real life situation. My niece and nephew are at MU and an emergency happens necessitating they go home. Or maybe they both are out of money. My niece (white and NA) gets nothing, my nephew (adopted Black young man) qualifies and gets help. How is that not blatant discrimination to deny one sibling because of the color of her skin? What about a Hmong refugee, or a DACA kid who can't get federal aid? MU should be above segregating our student body; help all who need it. Disappointing.
Your niece would get nothing? Does MU not offer money/funds for emergency assistance for all students?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 09, 2022, 03:22:52 PM
I did say that but the woke guilt complex many have fallen into refuses to allow one to read it that way and instead virtue signal and attack.
Here's how I see this in a real life situation. My niece and nephew are at MU and an emergency happens necessitating they go home. Or maybe they both are out of money. My niece (white and NA) gets nothing, my nephew (adopted Black young man) qualifies and gets help. How is that not blatant discrimination to deny one sibling because of the color of her skin? What about a Hmong refugee, or a DACA kid who can't get federal aid? MU should be above segregating our student body; help all who need it. Disappointing.
Yep. Reverse racism is WAAAY worse than boring, old, regular racism. And that's the way it's been in America for hundreds of years. If only white people could catch a break someday.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 09, 2022, 03:22:52 PM
I did say that but the woke guilt complex many have fallen into refuses to allow one to read it that way and instead virtue signal and attack.
Here's how I see this in a real life situation. My niece and nephew are at MU and an emergency happens necessitating they go home. Or maybe they both are out of money. My niece (white and NA) gets nothing, my nephew (adopted Black young man) qualifies and gets help. How is that not blatant discrimination to deny one sibling because of the color of her skin? What about a Hmong refugee, or a DACA kid who can't get federal aid? MU should be above segregating our student body; help all who need it. Disappointing.
No. This would not happen. Marquette has emergency funds available for ALL students. The ones from this Ellis Endowment will be used to support black students specifically. So in this (what I am sure is a real life and not at all fake) situation, if they qualify, both would get support. Your nephew's MAY come from the Ellis Endowment.
This isn't a "virtue signal." It is an accurate representation of how these things work.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 09, 2022, 03:22:52 PM
I did say that but the woke guilt complex many have fallen into refuses to allow one to read it that way and instead virtue signal and attack.
Here's how I see this in a real life situation. My niece and nephew are at MU and an emergency happens necessitating they go home. Or maybe they both are out of money. My niece (white and NA) gets nothing, my nephew (adopted Black young man) qualifies and gets help. How is that not blatant discrimination to deny one sibling because of the color of her skin? What about a Hmong refugee, or a DACA kid who can't get federal aid? MU should be above segregating our student body; help all who need it. Disappointing.
It has been explained to you multiple times that MU (like most universities) have emergency funds available to all students. The Smarts' donation is setting up a separate fund specifically for Black students, this does not remove the already existing fund. In fact, it frees up more money for other students because Black students who may have applied for that money previously now have another option.
Quote from: fjm on February 08, 2022, 07:18:22 AM
Let's change the subject here a bit from racism and the smarts...
And here is a hot take... Golf Sucks. It's boring. It's lazy. It takes an insane amount of skill. But there is so little joy in it. Also it's expensive. Ugh. I hate golf.
fj, you have made it hard to give your opinions any credence. Golf is wonderful! I love it, even though I'm quite mediocre. The nice thing about that is, you remember the good shots disproportionately. When I used to play better, I tended to remember the bad ones.
In fact, golf is so important to me that I can't figure out why I haven't moved south so I could play all year. Oh, wait a minute, it's because of the woman I married - the only possible thing that could be more important than golf.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 09, 2022, 03:22:52 PM
I did say that but the woke guilt complex many have fallen into refuses to allow one to read it that way and instead virtue signal and attack.
Here's how I see this in a real life situation. My niece and nephew are at MU and an emergency happens necessitating they go home. Or maybe they both are out of money. My niece (white and NA) gets nothing, my nephew (adopted Black young man) qualifies and gets help. How is that not blatant discrimination to deny one sibling because of the color of her skin? What about a Hmong refugee, or a DACA kid who can't get federal aid? MU should be above segregating our student body; help all who need it. Disappointing.
Woke 😂
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 09, 2022, 03:22:52 PM
I did say that but the woke guilt complex many have fallen into refuses to allow one to read it that way and instead virtue signal and attack.
Here's how I see this in a real life situation. My niece and nephew are at MU and an emergency happens necessitating they go home. Or maybe they both are out of money. My niece (white and NA) gets nothing, my nephew (adopted Black young man) qualifies and gets help. How is that not blatant discrimination to deny one sibling because of the color of her skin? What about a Hmong refugee, or a DACA kid who can't get federal aid? MU should be above segregating our student body; help all who need it. Disappointing.
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Oh Billy, Billy, Billy Baroo....
Kudos to Shaka and Maya. Be the difference.
Quote from: MU82 on February 08, 2022, 08:29:14 AM
Superbly stated.
And there really hasn't been much vitriol. Just a couple of ignorant posters; I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and say they're simply too brainwashed to know better.
Just read a very good article right on point to this discussion. Jason Whitlock often brings his unique perspective, even if he is..."ignorant posters; I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and say they're simply too brainwashed to know better." Here is just part of his article..."This is not good. Racism, regardless of the target, is unhealthy and counterproductive. It drives domestic division and animus. For making this obvious point, some people will label me a honky-lover, a sellout, a race traitor. My true crime is sticking to the values I was taught as a Christian."
[/quote]and this."Many of my critics claim that my point of view has changed drastically over the past 14 years. They claim I've become a conservative political partisan and only criticize the Left. I have not changed. I'm not a political partisan. My morals and values have not changed. Journalism and American culture have changed drastically over the past 14 years. Anti-white bigotry has become popular in American culture.I constantly criticize the Left because the Left has rejected Christianity and embraced racism. I was born in 1967, a year before the assassination of Dr. King. I see myself as a descendant of Dr. King's dream. Dr. King was a Christian who fought racism. I do not know Dr. King's political affiliation.
I believe Dr. King would be appalled by the racism that is being sanctioned by the Left. From critical race theory in schools to the New York Times 1619 Project to "Everything's Gonna Be All White," the Left and its global corporate partners are aggressively pushing racism. It's not just anti-white racism. It's anti-black racism, too."
Just because people have different viewpoints doesn't make them "ignorant" and "brainwashed". When you are too sure you are right and therefore people who disagree with you are wrong and stupid/brainwashed/racist or any other name you wish to call them, you show your inability to being open to grow and learn.
Quote from: denverMU on February 10, 2022, 12:21:09 PM
Just read a very good article right on point to this discussion. Jason Whitlock often brings his unique perspective, even if he is..."ignorant posters; I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and say they're simply too brainwashed to know better." Here is just part of his article..."This is not good. Racism, regardless of the target, is unhealthy and counterproductive. It drives domestic division and animus. For making this obvious point, some people will label me a honky-lover, a sellout, a race traitor. My true crime is sticking to the values I was taught as a Christian."
and this."Many of my critics claim that my point of view has changed drastically over the past 14 years. They claim I've become a conservative political partisan and only criticize the Left. I have not changed. I'm not a political partisan. My morals and values have not changed. Journalism and American culture have changed drastically over the past 14 years. Anti-white bigotry has become popular in American culture.I constantly criticize the Left because the Left has rejected Christianity and embraced racism. I was born in 1967, a year before the assassination of Dr. King. I see myself as a descendant of Dr. King's dream. Dr. King was a Christian who fought racism. I do not know Dr. King's political affiliation.
I believe Dr. King would be appalled by the racism that is being sanctioned by the Left. From critical race theory in schools to the New York Times 1619 Project to "Everything's Gonna Be All White," the Left and its global corporate partners are aggressively pushing racism. It's not just anti-white racism. It's anti-black racism, too."
Just because people have different viewpoints doesn't make them "ignorant" and "brainwashed". When you are too sure you are right and therefore people who disagree with you are wrong and stupid/brainwashed/racist or any other name you wish to call them, you show your inability to being open to grow and learn.
Jason Whitlock...."critical race theory"....and "anti-white bigotry."
<chef's kiss>
But none of that has anything to do with the Smart's gift.
I am consistently embarrassed in this thread where MU fans basically are calling Shaka and Maya racist.
Sure, black people can be racist, but Shaka and Maya aren't. So shut your pie-holes and stop embarrassing the rest of us.
Quote from: denverMU on February 10, 2022, 12:21:09 PM
Just read a very good article right on point to this discussion. Jason Whitlock often brings his unique perspective, even if he is..."ignorant posters; I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and say they're simply too brainwashed to know better." Here is just part of his article..."This is not good. Racism, regardless of the target, is unhealthy and counterproductive. It drives domestic division and animus. For making this obvious point, some people will label me a honky-lover, a sellout, a race traitor. My true crime is sticking to the values I was taught as a Christian."
and this."Many of my critics claim that my point of view has changed drastically over the past 14 years. They claim I've become a conservative political partisan and only criticize the Left. I have not changed. I'm not a political partisan. My morals and values have not changed. Journalism and American culture have changed drastically over the past 14 years. Anti-white bigotry has become popular in American culture.I constantly criticize the Left because the Left has rejected Christianity and embraced racism. I was born in 1967, a year before the assassination of Dr. King. I see myself as a descendant of Dr. King's dream. Dr. King was a Christian who fought racism. I do not know Dr. King's political affiliation.
I believe Dr. King would be appalled by the racism that is being sanctioned by the Left. From critical race theory in schools to the New York Times 1619 Project to "Everything's Gonna Be All White," the Left and its global corporate partners are aggressively pushing racism. It's not just anti-white racism. It's anti-black racism, too."
Just because people have different viewpoints doesn't make them "ignorant" and "brainwashed". When you are too sure you are right and therefore people who disagree with you are wrong and stupid/brainwashed/racist or any other name you wish to call them, you show your inability to being open to grow and learn.
Ah, yes. The critical race theory being taught
Quote from: denverMU on February 10, 2022, 12:21:09 PM
Just read a very good article right on point to this discussion. Jason Whitlock often brings his unique perspective, even if he is..."ignorant posters; I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and say they're simply too brainwashed to know better." Here is just part of his article..."This is not good. Racism, regardless of the target, is unhealthy and counterproductive. It drives domestic division and animus. For making this obvious point, some people will label me a honky-lover, a sellout, a race traitor. My true crime is sticking to the values I was taught as a Christian."
and this."Many of my critics claim that my point of view has changed drastically over the past 14 years. They claim I've become a conservative political partisan and only criticize the Left. I have not changed. I'm not a political partisan. My morals and values have not changed. Journalism and American culture have changed drastically over the past 14 years. Anti-white bigotry has become popular in American culture.I constantly criticize the Left because the Left has rejected Christianity and embraced racism. I was born in 1967, a year before the assassination of Dr. King. I see myself as a descendant of Dr. King's dream. Dr. King was a Christian who fought racism. I do not know Dr. King's political affiliation.
I believe Dr. King would be appalled by the racism that is being sanctioned by the Left. From critical race theory in schools to the New York Times 1619 Project to "Everything's Gonna Be All White," the Left and its global corporate partners are aggressively pushing racism. It's not just anti-white racism. It's anti-black racism, too."
Just because people have different viewpoints doesn't make them "ignorant" and "brainwashed". When you are too sure you are right and therefore people who disagree with you are wrong and stupid/brainwashed/racist or any other name you wish to call them, you show your inability to being open to grow and learn.
I'm sure we just might be able to find 1 or 2 examples of racism on the Christian right ... but for now, I'll just congratulate you for finding a Black person who is willing to shyte on Shaka's generous gift.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 10, 2022, 12:31:40 PM
I am consistently embarrassed in this thread where MU fans basically are calling Shaka and Maya racist.
Sure, black people can be racist, but Shaka and Maya aren't. So shut your pie-holes and stop embarrassing the rest of us.
The good news is that it's really only a few chronically simple-minded people who litter the board with their ignorance. Gratefully, they don't represent my experience at MU or the many intelligent alumni I've come to know since graduating. Keyboard jockeys who log onto a *Marquette basketball message board* to express their rage at society leaving them behind? Shrug.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 10, 2022, 12:31:40 PM
I am consistently embarrassed in this thread where MU fans basically are calling Shaka and Maya racist.
Sure, black people can be racist, but Shaka and Maya aren't. So shut your pie-holes and stop embarrassing the rest of us.
I never called the Smarts' racist. In fact I gave them credit for their donation in my only other post in this thread. I'm glad they made the donation.
Does Arby still offer the 5 for 5 dollars?
Y'all don't know what it's like being male, middle-class and white.
Quote from: MU82 on February 10, 2022, 01:30:37 PM
I'm sure we just might be able to find 1 or 2 examples of racism on the Christian right ... but for now, I'll just congratulate you for finding a Black person who is willing to shyte on Shaka's generous gift.
First, sorry I'm not computer literate enough to post a link to the entire article. Second, he is not crapping on their donation, he is pointing out a larger issue he sees in today's society. Last, it is not just "a Black person" he is an award winning journalist who has the stage to share his views (and the views of many others).
Quote from: Babybluejeans on February 10, 2022, 01:36:33 PM
The good news is that it's really only a few chronically simple-minded people who litter the board with their ignorance. Gratefully, they don't represent my experience at MU or the many intelligent alumni I've come to know since graduating. Keyboard jockeys who log onto a *Marquette basketball message board* to express their rage at society leaving them behind? Shrug.
My experience at MU was that the Jesuits taught you how to think for yourself not what to think. Obviously that did not take with you. So far you haven't bothered to address Mr. Whitlock's comments. Instead you have chosen to do what many people, who can't articulate their views, choose to do...call people names. It must be great to go through life knowing everything and feeling sorry for the "ignorant rubes" you run into. Shrug
Quote from: denverMU on February 10, 2022, 01:59:05 PM
First, sorry I'm not computer literate enough to post a link to the entire article. Second, he is not crapping on their donation, he is pointing out a larger issue he sees in today's society. Last, it is not just "a Black person" he is an award winning journalist who has the stage to share his views (and the views of many others).
Look, any of us, including you, could find a whole lot of award-winning journalists of every race, creed, color, religion and nationality who could point out ridiculous amounts of racism on the Christian right ... and they wouldn't have pretended to know what Dr. King would be thinking to make their point. You and I know Dr. King every bit as well as Jason Whitlock does -- we never met him, either -- so I hope you'll agree with me that Dr. King probably wouldn't consider reverse racism or "critical race theory" to be big problems facing American society today. He was too busy dealing with actual racism -- you know, the kind espoused by "very fine people."
Oh, and CRT isn't being taught in schools, either. I give the right credit - truly - for turning that into a hair-on-fire talking point. They are SO much better at that kind of thing than independents and liberals are. Still, any inclusion of CRT in any argument immediately nullifies the argument.
Anyhoo, glad you agree that Shaka's gift was worthwhile. We Are Marquette!
Quote from: MU82 on February 10, 2022, 01:58:11 PM
Y'all don't know what it's like being male, middle-class and white.
Are you speaking from experience?
Quote from: denverMU on February 10, 2022, 01:59:05 PM
First, sorry I'm not computer literate enough to post a link to the entire article. Second, he is not crapping on their donation, he is pointing out a larger issue he sees in today's society. Last, it is not just "a Black person" he is an award winning journalist who has the stage to share his views (and the views of many others).
To be clear, he's expressing his OPINION on issues he PERCEIVES in today's society.
But none of that has anything to do with the Smart's gift.
Quote from: NCMUFan on February 10, 2022, 02:15:26 PM
Are you speaking from experience?
Absolutely. And also from cutting and pasting Ben Folds' lyrics.
Quote from: MU82 on February 10, 2022, 02:25:11 PM
Absolutely. And also from cutting and pasting Ben Folds' lyrics.
Whatever you enjoy! ;D
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on February 10, 2022, 02:17:46 PM
To be clear, he's expressing his OPINION on issues he PERCEIVES in today's society.
But none of that has anything to do with the Smart's gift.
Correct it does not specifically mention the Smarts' gift. I happened to be reading the article this morning and thought it was relevant to this discussion. Since I don't know how to share the link here is the article. Enjoy.
Showtime's three-part documentary series "Everything's Gonna Be All White" should be renamed "The Rebirth of a Nation," presented by the Chinese Communist Party.
Based on its two-minute trailer, "All White" aspires to be an all-black adaptation of the infamous 1915 racist propaganda film "The Birth of a Nation." Ibram X. Kendi and his racial acolytes sit in front of cameras and spew anti-white racism.
An older black woman declares: "One of the definitions of American whiteness is ignorance." The teaser closes with a different declaration from a different black woman: "This is a wild place, y'all. It's a wild place. I know Harriet (Tubman) and Frederick (Douglass) be up there, just like, 'What is they goin' do?'"
It's unlikely that "All White," which debuts Friday, will reach the kind of massive audience that flocked to see "Birth of a Nation," an anti-black silent movie. There was far less competition for eyeballs 100 years ago. But "All White" is part of a collective of movies, documentaries, and TV shows with the same central theme: White people are evil.
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When it comes to anti-white racism, Hollywood has been paid to remove all subtlety. From "The Hate You Give" to "Get Out" to "Dear White People" to the endless supply of racial documentaries on Netflix, Hollywood producers are taking checks to hammer the theme that white Americans are the root of all evil.
Hollywood should be renamed Chinatown, a Western outpost for the Chinese Communist Party. Foreign money, particularly from China, continues to pervert Hollywood.
This is not good. Racism, regardless of the target, is unhealthy and counterproductive. It drives domestic division and animus. For making this obvious point, some people will label me a honky-lover, a sellout, a race traitor. My true crime is sticking to the values I was taught as a Christian.
My faith compels me to oppose racism. That has been my passion since childhood. In eighth grade, when my junior high began busing in black kids to further integrate the school, I was chosen as a leader to bring the white and black kids together. I played the same role at my high school, as the captain of our nationally ranked football team.
I saw myself as an extension of Dr. Martin Luther King's dream of men and women judged by the content of their character and not their skin color. Much of my work as a journalist from 1992 to 2010 focused on analyzing America's racial divide through the lens of sports. In 2008, I won the Scripps Howard National Journalism Award for commentary for my ability to "integrate sports commentary with social commentary and to challenge widely held assumptions along the racial divide."
Many of my critics claim that my point of view has changed drastically over the past 14 years. They claim I've become a conservative political partisan and only criticize the Left. I have not changed. I'm not a political partisan. My morals and values have not changed. Journalism and American culture have changed drastically over the past 14 years. Anti-white bigotry has become popular in American culture.
I constantly criticize the Left because the Left has rejected Christianity and embraced racism. I was born in 1967, a year before the assassination of Dr. King. I see myself as a descendant of Dr. King's dream. Dr. King was a Christian who fought racism. I do not know Dr. King's political affiliation.
I believe Dr. King would be appalled by the racism that is being sanctioned by the Left. From critical race theory in schools to the New York Times 1619 Project to "Everything's Gonna Be All White," the Left and its global corporate partners are aggressively pushing racism. It's not just anti-white racism. It's anti-black racism, too.
Visa released a Winter Olympics commercial that analogized being black to having cancer or being an amputee.
My critics claim I ignore the racism of conservatives. They say that voter ID laws are racist and the new Jim Crow. I find that claim a ridiculous distortion of history. It's not remotely unfair or racist to require voters to show a government-approved ID.
Well, what about January 6, white Trump supporters, and the insurrection?
White Trump supporters are primarily angry at white leftists for demonizing them as the worst people on the planet and ignoring their legitimate concerns. The theory that Trump voters are motivated by anti-black racism is a hypothesis white liberals popularized to blind black people to the bigotry of the Left.
I'm sure there is some portion of Trump's base that is motivated by bigotry. But those aren't the people financing Visa commercials analogizing blackness to cancer and being crippled. Those aren't the people arguing that black people cannot achieve in this country without the charity of white people. Those aren't the people setting aside $30 million for crack pipes to pass out to black people.
President Joe Biden's Department of Health and Human Services concocted the crack pipe giveaway as part of a racial equity initiative.
Black Crack Matters!
The Left is rolling back the racial progress Dr. King's generation won. Leftists have turned American society into a mash-up of the iconic racial sketch comedy shows "In Living Color" and "The Chappelle Show."
Yesterday, rapper Jim Jones posted a video complaining that a Gucci store in California failed to provide him sparkling water and champagne while he shopped in its VIP section. He accused the store of racism and ridiculed the black employee who tried to assist him.
At the behest of homogeneous and racist China, and for the rewards delivered by the global corporations seeking China's favor, the Left has turned America's diversity into our Achilles heel. They're rebirthing our nation by taking us back to a racist future.
"Everything's Gonna Be All White" is just more Chinese propaganda packaged as racial justice. Racism is the tool China is using to screw America.
I just donated to a scholarship fund for first generation kids in the States to return to Ireland for education. Does that make me culturalist?
The smarts identify with those black children let them help who they identify with. Jesus some of you are fragile.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 10, 2022, 02:42:22 PM
I just donated to a scholarship fund for first generation kids in the States to return to Ireland for education. Does that make me culturalist?
The smarts identify with those black children let them help who they identify with. Jesus some of you are fragile.
That is interesting. What motivate you to do that?
Quote from: denverMU on February 10, 2022, 02:40:00 PM
So earlier you said this....
Quote from: denverMU on February 10, 2022, 02:06:29 PM
Instead you have chosen to do what many people, who can't articulate their views, choose to do...call people names.
...then you post an article where the author doesn't articulate their views but just calls things a bunch of names with no analysis, no facts, just raw emotion about how he feels about them.
Quote from: denverMU on February 10, 2022, 02:40:00 PM
Showtime's three-part documentary series "Everything's Gonna Be All White" should be renamed "The Rebirth of a Nation," presented by the Chinese Communist Party.
Based on its two-minute trailer, "All White" aspires to be an all-black adaptation of the infamous 1915 racist propaganda film "The Birth of a Nation." Ibram X. Kendi and his racial acolytes sit in front of cameras and spew anti-white racism.
An older black woman declares: "One of the definitions of American whiteness is ignorance." The teaser closes with a different declaration from a different black woman: "This is a wild place, y'all. It's a wild place. I know Harriet (Tubman) and Frederick (Douglass) be up there, just like, 'What is they goin' do?'"
It's unlikely that "All White," which debuts Friday, will reach the kind of massive audience that flocked to see "Birth of a Nation," an anti-black silent movie. There was far less competition for eyeballs 100 years ago. But "All White" is part of a collective of movies, documentaries, and TV shows with the same central theme: White people are evil.
Don't miss out on content from Dave Rubin free of big tech censorship. Listen to The Rubin Report now.
When it comes to anti-white racism, Hollywood has been paid to remove all subtlety. From "The Hate You Give" to "Get Out" to "Dear White People" to the endless supply of racial documentaries on Netflix, Hollywood producers are taking checks to hammer the theme that white Americans are the root of all evil.
Hollywood should be renamed Chinatown, a Western outpost for the Chinese Communist Party. Foreign money, particularly from China, continues to pervert Hollywood.
This is not good. Racism, regardless of the target, is unhealthy and counterproductive. It drives domestic division and animus. For making this obvious point, some people will label me a honky-lover, a sellout, a race traitor. My true crime is sticking to the values I was taught as a Christian.
My faith compels me to oppose racism. That has been my passion since childhood. In eighth grade, when my junior high began busing in black kids to further integrate the school, I was chosen as a leader to bring the white and black kids together. I played the same role at my high school, as the captain of our nationally ranked football team.
I saw myself as an extension of Dr. Martin Luther King's dream of men and women judged by the content of their character and not their skin color. Much of my work as a journalist from 1992 to 2010 focused on analyzing America's racial divide through the lens of sports. In 2008, I won the Scripps Howard National Journalism Award for commentary for my ability to "integrate sports commentary with social commentary and to challenge widely held assumptions along the racial divide."
Many of my critics claim that my point of view has changed drastically over the past 14 years. They claim I've become a conservative political partisan and only criticize the Left. I have not changed. I'm not a political partisan. My morals and values have not changed. Journalism and American culture have changed drastically over the past 14 years. Anti-white bigotry has become popular in American culture.
I constantly criticize the Left because the Left has rejected Christianity and embraced racism. I was born in 1967, a year before the assassination of Dr. King. I see myself as a descendant of Dr. King's dream. Dr. King was a Christian who fought racism. I do not know Dr. King's political affiliation.
I believe Dr. King would be appalled by the racism that is being sanctioned by the Left. From critical race theory in schools to the New York Times 1619 Project to "Everything's Gonna Be All White," the Left and its global corporate partners are aggressively pushing racism. It's not just anti-white racism. It's anti-black racism, too.
Visa released a Winter Olympics commercial that analogized being black to having cancer or being an amputee.
My critics claim I ignore the racism of conservatives. They say that voter ID laws are racist and the new Jim Crow. I find that claim a ridiculous distortion of history. It's not remotely unfair or racist to require voters to show a government-approved ID.
Well, what about January 6, white Trump supporters, and the insurrection?
White Trump supporters are primarily angry at white leftists for demonizing them as the worst people on the planet and ignoring their legitimate concerns. The theory that Trump voters are motivated by anti-black racism is a hypothesis white liberals popularized to blind black people to the bigotry of the Left.
I'm sure there is some portion of Trump's base that is motivated by bigotry. But those aren't the people financing Visa commercials analogizing blackness to cancer and being crippled. Those aren't the people arguing that black people cannot achieve in this country without the charity of white people. Those aren't the people setting aside $30 million for crack pipes to pass out to black people.
President Joe Biden's Department of Health and Human Services concocted the crack pipe giveaway as part of a racial equity initiative.
Black Crack Matters!
The Left is rolling back the racial progress Dr. King's generation won. Leftists have turned American society into a mash-up of the iconic racial sketch comedy shows "In Living Color" and "The Chappelle Show."
Yesterday, rapper Jim Jones posted a video complaining that a Gucci store in California failed to provide him sparkling water and champagne while he shopped in its VIP section. He accused the store of racism and ridiculed the black employee who tried to assist him.
At the behest of homogeneous and racist China, and for the rewards delivered by the global corporations seeking China's favor, the Left has turned America's diversity into our Achilles heel. They're rebirthing our nation by taking us back to a racist future.
"Everything's Gonna Be All White" is just more Chinese propaganda packaged as racial justice. Racism is the tool China is using to screw America.
What year did you graduate from Marquette Dental School?
The violent coup attempt on 1/6/21 happened because "white Trump supporters are primarily angry at white leftists for demonizing them as the worst people on the planet and ignoring their legitimate concerns." Good to know! Thanks for posting, denverMU!
"I'm sure there is some portion of Trump's base that is motivated by bigotry." Truly a bold concession.
Sir, what you just posted is called a "column." It is one person's opinion. It has no facts. You happen to agree with the points you think he scored. Others think it's ridiculous to claim to know that Dr. King would be outraged at all the high schools, middle schools and grade schools teaching CRT, considering that there aren't any.
But hey ... how about that gift from Shaka Smart?!?! We Are Marquette!
Quote from: denverMU on February 10, 2022, 12:21:09 PM
Just read a very good article right on point to this discussion. Jason Whitlock often brings his unique perspective, even if he is..."ignorant posters; I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and say they're simply too brainwashed to know better." Here is just part of his article..."This is not good. Racism, regardless of the target, is unhealthy and counterproductive. It drives domestic division and animus. For making this obvious point, some people will label me a honky-lover, a sellout, a race traitor. My true crime is sticking to the values I was taught as a Christian."
and this."Many of my critics claim that my point of view has changed drastically over the past 14 years. They claim I've become a conservative political partisan and only criticize the Left. I have not changed. I'm not a political partisan. My morals and values have not changed. Journalism and American culture have changed drastically over the past 14 years. Anti-white bigotry has become popular in American culture.I constantly criticize the Left because the Left has rejected Christianity and embraced racism. I was born in 1967, a year before the assassination of Dr. King. I see myself as a descendant of Dr. King's dream. Dr. King was a Christian who fought racism. I do not know Dr. King's political affiliation.
I believe Dr. King would be appalled by the racism that is being sanctioned by the Left. From critical race theory in schools to the New York Times 1619 Project to "Everything's Gonna Be All White," the Left and its global corporate partners are aggressively pushing racism. It's not just anti-white racism. It's anti-black racism, too."
Just because people have different viewpoints doesn't make them "ignorant" and "brainwashed". When you are too sure you are right and therefore people who disagree with you are wrong and stupid/brainwashed/racist or any other name you wish to call them, you show your inability to being open to grow and learn.
Ugggh. Donning the magical cloak of Christianity. The Smart's gift adheres to Jesus' teachings better than 99% of people who loudly proclaim how Xtian they are.
Quote from: NCMUFan on February 10, 2022, 02:49:18 PM
That is interesting. What motivate you to do that?
I had the same scholarship.
The point isn't my motivation it's that I identify with those kids and am happy to share a bit to afford others the chance to do what I did. Is that racist? Culturalist? Or just ok because I identify with those kids? This is where I think it's crappy to call out black people for donating to black causes. It's fine prop them up.
Quote from: denverMU on February 10, 2022, 02:40:00 PM
Well, what about January 6, white Trump supporters, and the insurrection?
White Trump supporters are primarily angry at white leftists for demonizing them as the worst people on the planet and ignoring their legitimate concerns. The theory that Trump voters are motivated by anti-black racism is a hypothesis white liberals popularized to blind black people to the bigotry of the Left.
Yeah, all those folks marching around chanting, "Jews will not replace us", toting Confederate flags and wearing Nazi armbands are just angry the left is ignoring their legitimate concerns.
Quote from: denverMU on February 10, 2022, 02:40:00 PM
President Joe Biden's Department of Health and Human Services concocted the crack pipe giveaway as part of a racial equity initiative.
Black Crack Matters!
JFC, just the latest right wing meme that people will gobble down. Immigrant caravans! Obama phones! War on Christmas!
Any writer that makes this bullshit statement has lost all credibility.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 10, 2022, 02:59:15 PM
I had the same scholarship.
The point isn't my motivation it's that I identify with those kids and am happy to share a bit to afford others the chance to do what I did. Is that racist? Culturalist? Or just ok because I identify with those kids? This is where I think it's crappy to call out black people for donating to black causes. It's fine prop them up.
Ok, thank you for explaining.
This thread is embarrassing. Two people relatively new to the university community feel compelled to donate their own money to help the well-being of students in a way that they see fit and some idiots feel they can criticize the gesture. JFC you people must be great at parties.
Dave Rubin??? Holy crap
Who could have seen this coming?