The BE office has just released the following:
As to play of game--effective Feb.15 any coach that does not play a zone against MU for at least 19:55 of game time will be fined by the BE office. The amount of the fine will be determined on a number of factors that have been communicated to the respective schools. This directive shall remain in effect through Dec.31,2008.
As to recruiting--As of the 2008-2009 season a school may have only one player who is shorter that its head coach.
;D
funny stuff
wish we had a coach like Phil Jackson...cuz the man's 6'8"
Quote from: MUMotivAsian on February 11, 2008, 09:15:48 PM
;D
funny stuff
wish we had a coach like Phil Jackson...cuz the man's 6'8"
Bill Russell has coached before. ;D
I was thinking its a good thing that Georgetown has John Thompson III... the old one would have a hard time finding a PG.
speaking of recruiting, notice the classes going to Georgetown and Louisville? Even UW ranked in top 30 on rivals.
Quote from: augoman on February 12, 2008, 01:50:02 PM
speaking of recruiting, notice the classes going to Georgetown and Louisville? Even UW ranked in top 30 on rivals.
G'Town and Louisville are loaded.
UW-Madison has two top 150 kids coming in, so does MU. I haven't seen rivals latest rankings but in November that's where rivals had them. Taylor was 101 for MU and I believe Williams was in the 140's.
I know Mbakwe is considered this year, but since he will be a Frosh next year, when you combine him with Taylor, Williams, Fulce, and Otule... that is a pretty darn good recruiting class for us.
I believe next year's class is ranked 6th in the Big East. This year's ranked 10th. Taylor, Williams and Fulce are all 3 stars (as were Christopherson and Trevor) and Otule is 2. Wisconsin has one 4 star and three 3 stars.
Cincinnati, which I consider to be in a similar recruiting situation as Marquette, has got two four star recruits coming in, including one from Georgia.
Where is that guy who ranked Crean as one of the top 3 recruiters in the country?
It depends on which service you follow. HoopScoop has MU as a top 20 class, with Taylor and Williams top 70(Taylor top 50), Fulce top 100 and Otule just outside the top 100....and thats considering all levels in the class of 2008, HS Seniors, JUCOs and Prep Players.
You just choose to pay attention to the one that fits your agenda.
Good call on my agenda. It includes hoping Marquette gets quality recruits.
If signing players just inside the top 100 is what one of the best three recruiters in college basketball gets, I imagine the other two top rated guys are signing the rest.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on February 12, 2008, 03:34:06 PM
Good call on my agenda. It includes hoping Marquette gets quality recruits.
If signing players just inside the top 100 is what one of the best three recruiters in college basketball gets, I imagine the other two top rated guys are signing the rest.
PRN, it's a really good agenda.
Concerning being one of the best recruiters, I honestly don't know how they did their ratings. However, I have to imagine the rankers take into consideration that the likes of Coach K, Billy D, and Roy Williams don't have a hard time recruiting.
Can you imagine having to sell Milwaukee? Let alone Wisconsin? Whether it be entertainment, campus, quality of living, or general middle of nowhere, that can't be easy.
Include in Marquette is just starting to remake a name for itself over the last decade. The only recruiting positives TC can swing is limited NBA success (you should see some of the department's recruiting paper stock), The Al, and the BC.
Hopefully, over the next decade, some big-time success helps him out. Compared to what he has done in recruiting, he's doing pretty good.
I actually agree that Crean does a good job with what he has. But the name of the game is recruiting and he's done a very average job of it.
Among schools in the top 30, according to Rivals:
Alabama
Arkansas
Minnesota
Nevada
Southern Illinois
Xavier
Wisconsin
Is it easier to recruit to those schools than it is to Marquette?
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on February 12, 2008, 04:13:45 PM
I actually agree that Crean does a good job with what he has. But the name of the game is recruiting and he's done a very average job of it.
Among schools in the top 30, according to Rivals:
Alabama
Arkansas
Minnesota
Nevada
Southern Illinois
Xavier
Wisconsin
Is it easier to recruit to those schools than it is to Marquette?
Looking objectively at it, I believe it would easier to recruit at: Alabama, Arkansas, and Wisconsin. Mainly, they are the state schools.
Southern Illinois has become a complete enigma for me. I know no clue how they can achieve sustained success. It's Southern Illinois right behind Illinois State, and right in front of Western Illinois for Illinois kids wishing to go to a state school.
I pose this question to you PRN and anybody else. Let's say you could choose Marquette and one of those schools listed to start your coaching career. Which one would you pick?
I'd go Wisconsin or Alabama. Marquette coming in third.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on February 12, 2008, 03:34:06 PM
Good call on my agenda. It includes hoping Marquette gets quality recruits.
If signing players just inside the top 100 is what one of the best three recruiters in college basketball gets, I imagine the other two top rated guys are signing the rest.
The point is you chose the one that made Crean look the worst. Look at your mention of Mbakwe as a 3 Star recruit. Only Rivals had him that low. Scout had him as a 4 Star recruit just outside the top 100, HoopScoop, PrepStars, Rob Harrington and ESPN/Bob Gibbons all had him as 4 star or higher and inside the top 100. He made the RSCI Consensus Top 100. Rivals is the enigma there, but its what you use.
Rivals has Williams just inside the top 150, ESPN has him as the #35 recruit in the country, HoopScoop as #70. You choose to go by what Rivals say. Rivals has Taylor at #101, ESPN, Rob Harrington and HoopScoop all have him in the top 100...again you choose to use the one that makes Crean look bad.
From Bob Gibbons of ESPN.COM / Scouts, Inc.
20. Marquette, 4 signed prospects
Like his mentor Tom Izzo, Golden Eagles coach Tom Crean is one of the best recruiters in the business. Marquette reached deep into Mobile, Ala., to snare a top prize who just might become a high school All-American, No. 35-rated G/F Nick Williams. Crean and his staff went east to sign No. 90-rated 6-3 1/2G Tyshawn Taylor (Jersey City, N.J.). They traveled west to Texas to snare potential ESPN 150 player, 6-10 C Chris Otule (Fort Bend, Texas). And finally, they went into the junior college ranks to get top-20 rated 6-7 WF Joseph Fulce (Tyler, Texas, J.C.). The Golden Eagles soared to a top-20 class.
Top 24 classes are (3 or more signed prospects):
UCLA
Arizona
Georgetown
Florida
The Ohio State
Arkansas
Kansas
Wake Forest
North Carolina
Louisville
Oregon
Florida State
Michigan State
Alabama
LSU
Oklahoma
Missouri
Washington
Minnesota
Marquette
Syracuse
West Virginia
Virginia
Pitt
http://insider.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/insider/columns/story?columnist=gibbons_bob&id=3127866 (http://insider.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/insider/columns/story?columnist=gibbons_bob&id=3127866)
Sidenote:
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on February 12, 2008, 04:13:45 PM
I actually agree that Crean does a good job with what he has.
Recruit: What's that?
Crean: That's our hyperbolic chamber. We have you work out in it to experience different air levels at different elevation. Only NCAA program with one. Isn't she pretty?
Recruit: I guess? What's the point?
Crean: We are still trying to figure that out.
Crean: Did you know Dwyane Wade came here? Look at that giant mural of him. Wow.
What's a hyperbolic chamber ? Some new fangled device that instantly teaches our players calculus? All those hyperbolic functions: hyperbolic sine, hyperbolic cosine, hyperbolic tangent.
Oh wait, you meant a hyperbaric chamber, didn't you?
Quote from: DanceHallPlayer on February 12, 2008, 04:55:48 PM
What's a hyperbolic chamber ? Some new fangled device that instantly teaches our players calculus? All those hyperbolic functions: hyperbolic sine, hyperbolic cosine, hyperbolic tangent.
Nah, it teaches them to exaggerate in an extravagant manner. Such chambers are often used to train novice announcers and color men in proper use of hyperbole.
Quote from: DanceHallPlayer on February 12, 2008, 04:55:48 PM
What's a hyperbolic chamber ? Some new fangled device that instantly teaches our players calculus? All those hyperbolic functions: hyperbolic sine, hyperbolic cosine, hyperbolic tangent.
Oh wait, you meant a hyperbaric chamber, didn't you?
I knew it was hyperbaric, damn you Microsoft Office 2007 spell check! DAMN YOU!
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on February 12, 2008, 04:13:45 PM
I actually agree that Crean does a good job with what he has. But the name of the game is recruiting and he's done a very average job of it.
Among schools in the top 30, according to Rivals:
Alabama
Arkansas
Minnesota
Nevada
Southern Illinois
Xavier
Wisconsin
Is it easier to recruit to those schools than it is to Marquette?
How many top 25 recruiting classes did MU have in the years between Al and Crean?
(there may have been many, I'm not really sure).
I guess I'm just trying to say that in modern day college basketball, MU hasn't been a recruiting giant. I think getting MU to pick up top 25 classes annually would be a pretty good accomplishment.
As far as being one of the "top 3 recruiters"... it's all just conjecture... so you can believe what you want to believe.
How can he not get the four to five star recruits? Big East and numerous games on National television. Whoops, maybe it would help to win one of those. The prospects do watch. 2009 is the big year for TC and the program. James, McNeal, Matthews and Burke wiil be gone. He has an excellent start in Eric Williams, who is having an outstanding junior year. It all revolves around closing the deal with Jamil Wilson. I believe he is a must have, no doubt about it recruit for MU.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on February 12, 2008, 03:34:06 PM
Good call on my agenda. It includes hoping Marquette gets quality recruits.
If signing players just inside the top 100 is what one of the best three recruiters in college basketball gets, I imagine the other two top rated guys are signing the rest.
I believe the person that made that statement also qualified it by where they have to recruit to.
In other words, you could be the 50th best recruiter in the country and get better recruits then the 10th best recruiter depending on where you are.
50th best at UCLA vs 10th best at St. Bonaventure.
Depends how you judge the recruiter. Could an average recruiter get someone to go to St. Bonaventure...no. Could an average recruiter nail a top 15 class almost every year at UCLA...yes.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on February 12, 2008, 04:13:45 PM
I actually agree that Crean does a good job with what he has. But the name of the game is recruiting and he's done a very average job of it.
Among schools in the top 30, according to Rivals:
Alabama
Arkansas
Minnesota
Nevada
Southern Illinois
Xavier
Wisconsin
Is it easier to recruit to those schools than it is to Marquette?
Interesting to note that Alabama, Arkansas, Minnesota, Nevada and Southern Illinois will all NOT be playing in the NCAA Tournament this year.
Just sayin. And yes, it's easier to recruit to Alabama (weather, girls, grades, state school), Arkansas (weather, girls, grades, state school), Minnesota (girls, grades, state school), Nevada (weather, girls, grades, state school), etc
Quote from: nyg on February 12, 2008, 05:46:54 PM
How can he not get the four to five star recruits? Big East and numerous games on National television. Whoops, maybe it would help to win one of those. The prospects do watch. 2009 is the big year for TC and the program. James, McNeal, Matthews and Burke wiil be gone. He has an excellent start in Eric Williams, who is having an outstanding junior year. It all revolves around closing the deal with Jamil Wilson. I believe he is a must have, no doubt about it recruit for MU.
Well Jamil Wilson is also being recruited by some very prominent ACC schools so we'll see what happens.
As for your 4 and 5 stars, MU has several 4's (Mbakwe, James, McNeal, Matthews) and more coming. We've been close on some 5's...if it was only that easy. I'd like to see the last MU coach that was just bringing in 5's like it was going to a grocery store.
Quote from: Chili on February 12, 2008, 04:26:15 PM
From Bob Gibbons of ESPN.COM / Scouts, Inc.
20. Marquette, 4 signed prospects
Like his mentor Tom Izzo, Golden Eagles coach Tom Crean is one of the best recruiters in the business. Marquette reached deep into Mobile, Ala., to snare a top prize who just might become a high school All-American, No. 35-rated G/F Nick Williams. Crean and his staff went east to sign No. 90-rated 6-3 1/2G Tyshawn Taylor (Jersey City, N.J.). They traveled west to Texas to snare potential ESPN 150 player, 6-10 C Chris Otule (Fort Bend, Texas). And finally, they went into the junior college ranks to get top-20 rated 6-7 WF Joseph Fulce (Tyler, Texas, J.C.). The Golden Eagles soared to a top-20 class.
Top 24 classes are (3 or more signed prospects):
UCLA
Arizona
Georgetown
Florida
The Ohio State
Arkansas
Kansas
Wake Forest
North Carolina
Louisville
Oregon
Florida State
Michigan State
Alabama
LSU
Oklahoma
Missouri
Washington
Minnesota
Marquette
Syracuse
West Virginia
Virginia
Pitt
http://insider.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/insider/columns/story?columnist=gibbons_bob&id=3127866 (http://insider.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/insider/columns/story?columnist=gibbons_bob&id=3127866)
Yup, and on top of that there were 5 other Big East programs in the top 25 recruiting classes. Wisconsin has to deal with TWO other Big Ten classes.
We play in a brutal conference where a lot of other teams are making big stands in hoops. Wisconsin is living large playing in a conference with a good historic name that essentially sucks right now and very little talent coming in to the rest of the schools...it's like the Big Ten football conference. Anyone see the national rankings for recruiting...OSU and Michigan...that's it. Must be nice, but them is the breaks.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 12, 2008, 06:00:38 PM
Interesting to note that Alabama, Arkansas, Minnesota, Nevada and Southern Illinois will all NOT be playing in the NCAA Tournament this year.
Yep. Judge recruiting classes based upon results, not rankings coming in.
Thats exactly my point. Jamil Wilson is a five star recruit who resides down the road. His style fits MU's offense and I believe his family wants him to stay close. If we lose him to a prominent ACC school, then it is a big loss to our program. MU should be prominent.
Last coach to get five star recruits like it was a grocery store was Al, who results speak for themselves. Nothing more to be said about five stars, except now the majority of them leave after one/two years. Lets start in 2009, we have a four star in Eric Williams, and then in 2010 with Flavian Davis and Nate Lubick from Mass.
Quote from: nyg on February 12, 2008, 06:18:32 PM
Thats exactly my point. Jamil Wilson is a five star recruit who resides down the road. His style fits MU's offense and I believe his family wants him to stay close. If we lose him to a prominent ACC school, then it is a big loss to our program. MU should be prominent.
Last coach to get five star recruits like it was a grocery store was Al, who results speak for themselves. Nothing more to be said about five stars, except now the majority of them leave after one/two years. Lets start in 2009, we have a four star in Eric Williams, and then in 2010 with Flavian Davis and Nate Lubick from Mass.
All I'm saying is don't be surprised if he goes out of state. His mom has passed away, I'm sure they would love to have him play close by. Conversely, would Lazar Hayward's family like him closer to home? How about Taylor, Williams, Otule? It's great to get the home town guy, I hope we do, but when you're putting the decision into a 17 year old kid's hands, you just never know.
NYG, still think we are only going to win 2 more Big East games?
Can't recall ever stating that we would only win 2 more BE games.
Quote from: nyg on February 12, 2008, 06:40:03 PM
Can't recall ever stating that we would only win 2 more BE games.
My bad, it was MU NY. Too many NY guys on this board. ;)
Apology accepted. As we look right now, even though shooting about 20% and should be up by 20, this looks like win #1.
I just like the hustle....nothing worse then shooting like crap and moping about it. They're missing and getting after it. Barro looks good so far as does Burke.
Keep up the pressure boys
Wilson will NOT be showing up at MU unless its to play in a pick-up game.
And where is his destination to be? Please let us know.
Quote from: nyg on February 12, 2008, 05:46:54 PM
How can he not get the four to five star recruits? Big East and numerous games on National television. Whoops, maybe it would help to win one of those. The prospects do watch. 2009 is the big year for TC and the program. James, McNeal, Matthews and Burke wiil be gone. He has an excellent start in Eric Williams, who is having an outstanding junior year. It all revolves around closing the deal with Jamil Wilson. I believe he is a must have, no doubt about it recruit for MU.
What the heck is a "must have" recruit? Does Marquette suspend the program for four years if Jamil Wilson goes elsewhere?
Enough with the silliness.
Regarding 4/5 star recruits, according to Scout (and Rivals) since 2002:
Trevor Mbakwe, Four stars
Damian Saunders, Four stars
LaZar Hayward, Four stars (also four from Rivals)
Dominic James, Four stars (also four from Rivals)
Jerel McNeal, Four stars (also four from Rivals)
Wes Matthews, Four stars (also four from Rivals)
Dameon Mason, Four stars (also four from Rivals)
Steve Novak, Four stars
Chris Grimm, Four stars
Joe Chapman, Four stars
Quote from: Marquette65 on February 12, 2008, 08:37:29 PM
Wilson will NOT be showing up at MU unless its to play in a pick-up game.
Well based on the fact that yesterday you said McNeal was the two time defending defensive player of the year, your guess work / knowledge base might need a bit tweaking.
But yet, it's certainly possible he won't be at MU.
For perspective, this from yesterday's Providence Journal where PC coachTim Welsh is under fire:
"There are those who like to moan about how difficult it is for PC to compete in the Big East. But should it really be appreciably harder to recruit a kid to Providence than to Milwaukee (Marquette) or Morgantown (West Virginia), or to schools such as seton Hall, DePaul, Cincinnati, South Florida, Rutgers or struggling St. John's?"
[iHaving lived in both locales, I can tell you that there is NO comparison between Milwaukee and Providence and I mean that in Milwaukee's favor.
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 12, 2008, 06:00:38 PM
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on February 12, 2008, 04:13:45 PM
I actually agree that Crean does a good job with what he has. But the name of the game is recruiting and he's done a very average job of it.
Among schools in the top 30, according to Rivals:
Alabama
Arkansas
Minnesota
Nevada
Southern Illinois
Xavier
Wisconsin
Is it easier to recruit to those schools than it is to Marquette?
Interesting to note that Alabama, Arkansas, Minnesota, Nevada and Southern Illinois will all NOT be playing in the NCAA Tournament this year.
Just sayin. And yes, it's easier to recruit to Alabama (weather, girls, grades, state school), Arkansas (weather, girls, grades, state school), Minnesota (girls, grades, state school), Nevada (weather, girls, grades, state school), etc
No NCAA and yet highly ranked high school seniors are planning to attend?
By the way Arkansas weather is horrendous as is there previous choice in governors.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on February 13, 2008, 08:39:25 AM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 12, 2008, 06:00:38 PM
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on February 12, 2008, 04:13:45 PM
I actually agree that Crean does a good job with what he has. But the name of the game is recruiting and he's done a very average job of it.
Among schools in the top 30, according to Rivals:
Alabama
Arkansas
Minnesota
Nevada
Southern Illinois
Xavier
Wisconsin
Is it easier to recruit to those schools than it is to Marquette?
Interesting to note that Alabama, Arkansas, Minnesota, Nevada and Southern Illinois will all NOT be playing in the NCAA Tournament this year.
Just sayin. And yes, it's easier to recruit to Alabama (weather, girls, grades, state school), Arkansas (weather, girls, grades, state school), Minnesota (girls, grades, state school), Nevada (weather, girls, grades, state school), etc
No NCAA and yet highly ranked high school seniors are planning to attend?
By the way Arkansas weather is horrendous as is there previous choice in governors.
I heard their libraries are just as terrible as well. But what school would to choose PRN?
If I were a player? Hard to say which one would be tops on the list.
But all things being equal -- not taking the coach into consideration -- I can tell you what schools I would absolutely NOT attend:
Arkansas
Minnesota
Nevada
Southern Illinois
I would consider Marquette, Alabama, Xavier and Wisconsin.
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on February 13, 2008, 08:39:25 AM
Quote from: ChicosBailBonds on February 12, 2008, 06:00:38 PM
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on February 12, 2008, 04:13:45 PM
I actually agree that Crean does a good job with what he has. But the name of the game is recruiting and he's done a very average job of it.
Among schools in the top 30, according to Rivals:
Alabama
Arkansas
Minnesota
Nevada
Southern Illinois
Xavier
Wisconsin
Is it easier to recruit to those schools than it is to Marquette?
Interesting to note that Alabama, Arkansas, Minnesota, Nevada and Southern Illinois will all NOT be playing in the NCAA Tournament this year.
Just sayin. And yes, it's easier to recruit to Alabama (weather, girls, grades, state school), Arkansas (weather, girls, grades, state school), Minnesota (girls, grades, state school), Nevada (weather, girls, grades, state school), etc
No NCAA and yet highly ranked high school seniors are planning to attend?
By the way Arkansas weather is horrendous as is there previous choice in governors.
Highly ranked seniors are going there to play because the have spots for them....personally, I'll take NCAA appearances.
Are you saying the Arkansas weather is worse than Milwaukee
Quote from: PuertoRicanNightmare on February 13, 2008, 08:59:00 AM
If I were a player? Hard to say which one would be tops on the list.
But all things being equal -- not taking the coach into consideration -- I can tell you what schools I would absolutely NOT attend:
Arkansas
Minnesota
Nevada
Southern Illinois
I would consider Marquette, Alabama, Xavier and Wisconsin.
While those may be your preferences, I can guarantee you that just about every kid from Arkansas or Minnesota (especially now that Tubby is there) would at least consider those schools, if not place them among the favorites.