NEWS for BE office Re: play of game and recruiting

[Marquette65]

The BE office has just released the following:

As to play of game--effective Feb.15 any coach that does not play a zone against MU for at least 19:55 of game time will be fined by the BE office.  The amount of the fine will be determined on a number of factors that have been communicated to the respective schools. This directive shall remain in effect through Dec.31,2008.

As to recruiting--As of the 2008-2009 season a school may have only one player who is shorter that its head coach.

[Thomas' Danish Delight]

 

funny stuff

wish we had a coach like Phil Jackson...cuz the man's 6'8"

[romey]

funny stuff

wish we had a coach like Phil Jackson...cuz the man's 6'8"

Bill Russell has coached before.   

[Mayor McCheese]

I was thinking its a good thing that Georgetown has John Thompson III... the old one would have a hard time finding a PG.

[augoman]

speaking of recruiting, notice the classes going to Georgetown and Louisville?  Even UW ranked in top 30 on rivals.

[ChicosBailBonds]

speaking of recruiting, notice the classes going to Georgetown and Louisville?  Even UW ranked in top 30 on rivals.

G'Town and Louisville are loaded.

UW-Madison has two top 150 kids coming in, so does MU.  I haven't seen rivals latest rankings but in November that's where rivals had them.  Taylor was 101 for MU and I believe Williams was in the 140's.

[MarquetteDano]

I know Mbakwe is considered this year, but since he will be a Frosh next year, when you combine him with Taylor, Williams, Fulce, and Otule... that is a pretty darn good recruiting class for us.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

I believe next year's class is ranked 6th in the Big East. This year's ranked 10th. Taylor, Williams and Fulce are all 3 stars (as were Christopherson and Trevor) and Otule is 2. Wisconsin has one 4 star and three 3 stars.

Cincinnati, which I consider to be in a similar recruiting situation as Marquette, has got two four star recruits coming in, including one from Georgia.

Where is that guy who ranked Crean as one of the top 3 recruiters in the country?

[bma725]

It depends on which service you follow.  HoopScoop has MU as a top 20 class, with Taylor and Williams top 70(Taylor top 50), Fulce top 100 and Otule just outside the top 100....and thats considering all levels in the class of 2008, HS Seniors, JUCOs and Prep Players. 

You just choose to pay attention to the one that fits your agenda. 

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

Good call on my agenda. It includes hoping Marquette gets quality recruits.

If signing players just inside the top 100 is what one of the best three recruiters in college basketball gets, I imagine the other two top rated guys are signing the rest.

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Good call on my agenda. It includes hoping Marquette gets quality recruits.

If signing players just inside the top 100 is what one of the best three recruiters in college basketball gets, I imagine the other two top rated guys are signing the rest.

PRN, it's a really good agenda.

Concerning being one of the best recruiters, I honestly don't know how they did their ratings. However, I have to imagine the rankers take into consideration that the likes of Coach K, Billy D, and Roy Williams don't have a hard time recruiting.

Can you imagine having to sell Milwaukee? Let alone Wisconsin? Whether it be entertainment, campus, quality of living, or general middle of nowhere, that can't be easy.

Include in Marquette is just starting to remake a name for itself over the last decade. The only recruiting positives TC can swing is limited NBA success (you should see some of the department's recruiting paper stock), The Al, and the BC.

Hopefully, over the next decade, some big-time success helps him out. Compared to what he has done in recruiting, he's doing pretty good.

[PuertoRicanNightmare]

I actually agree that Crean does a good job with what he has. But the name of the game is recruiting and he's done a very average job of it.

Among schools in the top 30, according to Rivals:

Alabama
Arkansas
Minnesota
Nevada
Southern Illinois
Xavier
Wisconsin

Is it easier to recruit to those schools than it is to Marquette?

[🏀]

I actually agree that Crean does a good job with what he has. But the name of the game is recruiting and he's done a very average job of it.

Among schools in the top 30, according to Rivals:

Alabama
Arkansas
Minnesota
Nevada
Southern Illinois
Xavier
Wisconsin

Is it easier to recruit to those schools than it is to Marquette?

Looking objectively at it, I believe it would easier to recruit at: Alabama, Arkansas, and Wisconsin. Mainly, they are the state schools.

Southern Illinois has become a complete enigma for me. I know no clue how they can achieve sustained success. It's Southern Illinois right behind Illinois State, and right in front of Western Illinois for Illinois kids wishing to go to a state school.

I pose this question to you PRN and anybody else. Let's say you could choose Marquette and one of those schools listed to start your coaching career. Which one would you pick?

I'd go Wisconsin or Alabama. Marquette coming in third.

[bma725]

Good call on my agenda. It includes hoping Marquette gets quality recruits.

If signing players just inside the top 100 is what one of the best three recruiters in college basketball gets, I imagine the other two top rated guys are signing the rest.

The point is you chose the one that made Crean look the worst.  Look at your mention of Mbakwe as a 3 Star recruit.  Only Rivals had him that low.  Scout had him as a 4 Star recruit just outside the top 100, HoopScoop, PrepStars, Rob Harrington and ESPN/Bob Gibbons all had him as 4 star or higher and inside the top 100.  He made the RSCI Consensus Top 100.  Rivals is the enigma there, but its what you use. 

Rivals has Williams just inside the top 150, ESPN has him as the #35 recruit in the country, HoopScoop as #70.  You choose to go by what Rivals say.  Rivals has Taylor at #101, ESPN, Rob Harrington and HoopScoop all have him in the top 100...again you choose to use the one that makes Crean look bad.   

[Chili]

From Bob Gibbons of ESPN.COM / Scouts, Inc.

20. Marquette, 4 signed prospects
Like his mentor Tom Izzo, Golden Eagles coach Tom Crean is one of the best recruiters in the business. Marquette reached deep into Mobile, Ala., to snare a top prize who just might become a high school All-American, No. 35-rated G/F Nick Williams. Crean and his staff went east to sign No. 90-rated 6-3 1/2G Tyshawn Taylor (Jersey City, N.J.). They traveled west to Texas to snare potential ESPN 150 player, 6-10 C Chris Otule (Fort Bend, Texas). And finally, they went into the junior college ranks to get top-20 rated 6-7 WF Joseph Fulce (Tyler, Texas, J.C.). The Golden Eagles soared to a top-20 class.

Top 24 classes are (3 or more signed prospects):

UCLA
Arizona
Georgetown
Florida
The Ohio State
Arkansas
Kansas
Wake Forest
North Carolina
Louisville
Oregon
Florida State
Michigan State
Alabama
LSU
Oklahoma
Missouri
Washington
Minnesota
Marquette
Syracuse
West Virginia
Virginia
Pitt

http://insider.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/insider/columns/story?columnist=gibbons_bob&id=3127866

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Sidenote:

I actually agree that Crean does a good job with what he has.

Recruit: What's that?
Crean: That's our hyperbolic chamber. We have you work out in it to experience different air levels at different elevation. Only NCAA program with one. Isn't she pretty?
Recruit: I guess? What's the point?
Crean: We are still trying to figure that out.
Crean: Did you know Dwyane Wade came here? Look at that giant mural of him. Wow.

[DanceHallPlayer]

What's a hyperbolic chamber ? Some new fangled device that instantly teaches our players calculus? All those hyperbolic functions: hyperbolic sine, hyperbolic cosine, hyperbolic tangent.

Oh wait, you meant a hyperbaric chamber, didn't you?

[Tampa Warrior]

What's a hyperbolic chamber ? Some new fangled device that instantly teaches our players calculus? All those hyperbolic functions: hyperbolic sine, hyperbolic cosine, hyperbolic tangent.

Nah, it teaches them to exaggerate in an extravagant manner. Such chambers are often used to train novice announcers and color men in proper use of hyperbole.

[🏀]

What's a hyperbolic chamber ? Some new fangled device that instantly teaches our players calculus? All those hyperbolic functions: hyperbolic sine, hyperbolic cosine, hyperbolic tangent.

Oh wait, you meant a hyperbaric chamber, didn't you?

I knew it was hyperbaric, damn you Microsoft Office 2007 spell check! DAMN YOU!

[Canned Goods n Ammo]

I actually agree that Crean does a good job with what he has. But the name of the game is recruiting and he's done a very average job of it.

Among schools in the top 30, according to Rivals:

Alabama
Arkansas
Minnesota
Nevada
Southern Illinois
Xavier
Wisconsin

Is it easier to recruit to those schools than it is to Marquette?

How many top 25 recruiting classes did MU have in the years between Al and Crean?

(there may have been many, I'm not really sure).

I guess I'm just trying to say that in modern day college basketball, MU hasn't been a recruiting giant. I think getting MU to pick up top 25 classes annually would be a pretty good accomplishment.

As far as being one of the "top 3 recruiters"... it's all just conjecture... so you can believe what you want to believe.

[nyg]

How can he not get the four to five star recruits?  Big East and numerous games on National television.  Whoops, maybe it would help to win one of those.  The prospects do watch.  2009 is the big year for TC and the program. James, McNeal, Matthews and Burke wiil be gone.  He has an excellent start in Eric Williams, who is having an outstanding junior year.  It all revolves around closing the deal with Jamil Wilson.  I believe he is a must have, no doubt about it recruit for MU.  

[ChicosBailBonds]

Good call on my agenda. It includes hoping Marquette gets quality recruits.

If signing players just inside the top 100 is what one of the best three recruiters in college basketball gets, I imagine the other two top rated guys are signing the rest.

I believe the person that made that statement also qualified it by where they have to recruit to.

In other words, you could be the 50th best recruiter in the country and get better recruits then the 10th best recruiter depending on where you are.

50th best at UCLA vs 10th best at St. Bonaventure.

Depends how you judge the recruiter.  Could an average recruiter get someone to go to St. Bonaventure...no.  Could an average recruiter nail a top 15 class almost every year at UCLA...yes.

[ChicosBailBonds]

I actually agree that Crean does a good job with what he has. But the name of the game is recruiting and he's done a very average job of it.

Among schools in the top 30, according to Rivals:

Alabama
Arkansas
Minnesota
Nevada
Southern Illinois
Xavier
Wisconsin

Is it easier to recruit to those schools than it is to Marquette?

Interesting to note that Alabama, Arkansas, Minnesota, Nevada and Southern Illinois will all NOT be playing in the NCAA Tournament this year.

Just sayin.  And yes, it's easier to recruit to Alabama (weather, girls, grades, state school), Arkansas (weather, girls, grades, state school), Minnesota  (girls, grades, state school), Nevada (weather, girls, grades, state school), etc

[ChicosBailBonds]

How can he not get the four to five star recruits?  Big East and numerous games on National television.  Whoops, maybe it would help to win one of those.  The prospects do watch.  2009 is the big year for TC and the program. James, McNeal, Matthews and Burke wiil be gone.  He has an excellent start in Eric Williams, who is having an outstanding junior year.  It all revolves around closing the deal with Jamil Wilson.  I believe he is a must have, no doubt about it recruit for MU.  

Well Jamil Wilson is also being recruited by some very prominent ACC schools so we'll see what happens.

As for your 4 and 5 stars, MU has several 4's (Mbakwe, James, McNeal, Matthews) and more coming.  We've been close on some 5's...if it was only that easy.  I'd like to see the last MU coach that was just bringing in 5's like it was going to a grocery store.

[ChicosBailBonds]

From Bob Gibbons of ESPN.COM / Scouts, Inc.

20. Marquette, 4 signed prospects
Like his mentor Tom Izzo, Golden Eagles coach Tom Crean is one of the best recruiters in the business. Marquette reached deep into Mobile, Ala., to snare a top prize who just might become a high school All-American, No. 35-rated G/F Nick Williams. Crean and his staff went east to sign No. 90-rated 6-3 1/2G Tyshawn Taylor (Jersey City, N.J.). They traveled west to Texas to snare potential ESPN 150 player, 6-10 C Chris Otule (Fort Bend, Texas). And finally, they went into the junior college ranks to get top-20 rated 6-7 WF Joseph Fulce (Tyler, Texas, J.C.). The Golden Eagles soared to a top-20 class.

Top 24 classes are (3 or more signed prospects):

UCLA
Arizona
Georgetown
Florida
The Ohio State
Arkansas
Kansas
Wake Forest
North Carolina
Louisville
Oregon
Florida State
Michigan State
Alabama
LSU
Oklahoma
Missouri
Washington
Minnesota
Marquette
Syracuse
West Virginia
Virginia
Pitt

http://insider.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/basketball/mens/insider/columns/story?columnist=gibbons_bob&id=3127866

Yup, and on top of that there were 5 other Big East programs in the top 25 recruiting classes.  Wisconsin has to deal with TWO other Big Ten classes.

We play in a brutal conference where a lot of other teams are making big stands in hoops.  Wisconsin is living large playing in a conference with a good historic name that essentially sucks right now and very little talent coming in to the rest of the schools...it's like the Big Ten football conference.  Anyone see the national rankings for recruiting...OSU and Michigan...that's it.  Must be nice, but them is the breaks.