https://twitter.com/RichHomieKur/status/1386765455558209538?s=20
Big add. Really like his fit here. If Garcia pulls out of the draft and Morsell comes, giddyup.
Where does that put us at scholarship count?
Is there a chance Dawson goes to the G League Ignite roster? Or do we get roster exemptions? This is two too many right?
Interesting get. Is that our first juco in 8 or so years?
Quote from: CountryRoads on April 26, 2021, 02:52:19 PM
Interesting get. Is that our first juco in 8 or so years?
He was at Oklahoma
Welcome Kur - senior big man a welcome addition.
Scholarship table updated. 15 on, something has to shaka out.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=page4655
edit: Like Theo - the plan was to go Pro: https://www.si.com/college/oklahoma/mens-basketball/oklahoma-f-kur-kuath-says-hell-go-pro
Awesome Welcome Kur!!
Kur is a great fit for what shaka will want to do. So i love it.
At least 2 of Dawson, Greg, Dex, and Jose are leaving i guess. So i guess we'll wait it out.
What is going on!
Quote from: jfp61 on April 26, 2021, 02:55:33 PM
Kur is a great fit for what shaka will want to do. So i love it.
At least 2 of Dawson, Greg, Dex, and Jose are leaving i guess. So i guess we'll wait it out.
I'll be very surprised if Dawson is back next year
yeah its starting to feel like dawson is moving on. just too many bigs for 2 spots otherwise.
I believe that this will be Kuath's "covid year" - does he not count against our scholarship count, maybe?
Quote from: muhoops1 on April 26, 2021, 02:52:05 PM
Is there a chance Dawson goes to the G League Ignite roster? Or do we get roster exemptions? This is two too many right?
No. I don't believe so. I expect 2-3 more transfers out to be announced.
Quote from: Skip Intro on April 26, 2021, 02:58:57 PM
I believe that this will be Kuath's "covid year" - does he not count against our scholarship count, maybe?
That's only if they stayed at the same school. This is his extra year of eligibility, but he counts for MU.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 26, 2021, 02:59:23 PM
No. I don't believe so. I expect 2-3 more transfers out to be announced.
Agreed. Boy this team is excting/interesting on paper if Garcia is back. 3 very intriguing transfers. Kuath has pretty good production in 17 mpg. I'm predicting we lose three players.
You gotta love the shaka Marquette make over.
Anyone else concerned with the way Shaka is running the program? I like all this new talent he's bringing in but the over recruiting makes me a little squeamish. Don't know if I agree with the message it sends to future recruits.
Quote from: BigWilly77 on April 26, 2021, 03:06:05 PM
Anyone else concerned with the way Shaka is running the program? I like all this new talent he's bringing in but the over recruiting makes me a little squeamish. Don't know if I agree with the message it sends to future recruits.
Winning is all that matters.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 26, 2021, 03:00:10 PM
That's only if they stayed at the same school. So, he counts for MU.
Ok, that makes sense. Wonder if they'd try to apply for a waiver on that rule? With Covid still wreaking havoc on post-collegiate job prospects, I could see the NCAA making exceptions all over the place this year. These guys have an unusually limited job market this year - Kuath originally said he was going pro, only to change his mind. We've seen that a lot.
Quote from: BigWilly77 on April 26, 2021, 03:06:05 PM
Anyone else concerned with the way Shaka is running the program? I like all this new talent he's bringing in but the over recruiting makes me a little squeamish. Don't know if I agree with the message it sends to future recruits.
yes and no. At one guy already told him he is leaving. they are just waiting until the end of the semester
Quote from: BigWilly77 on April 26, 2021, 03:06:05 PM
Anyone else concerned with the way Shaka is running the program? I like all this new talent he's bringing in but the over recruiting makes me a little squeamish. Don't know if I agree with the message it sends to future recruits.
Its his team now...roster turnover is going to happen...Do you recall all the shady stuff Buzz did? Even the impeccable Wojo had a number of transfers out...We also dont know at all what conversations have been had. Would you rather a bunch of guys transfer and we have 3 open schollys or have a stable of guys ready to roll?
Quote from: BigWilly77 on April 26, 2021, 03:06:05 PM
Anyone else concerned with the way Shaka is running the program? I like all this new talent he's bringing in but the over recruiting makes me a little squeamish. Don't know if I agree with the message it sends to future recruits.
No
Quote from: BigWilly77 on April 26, 2021, 03:06:05 PM
Anyone else concerned with the way Shaka is running the program? I like all this new talent he's bringing in but the over recruiting makes me a little squeamish. Don't know if I agree with the message it sends to future recruits.
there is ALOT of things taking place inside the program right now. I wouldn't be too worried about Shaka's recruiting tactics, He's big on relationship building. He's not going to do things to jeopardize relationships with current player or prospective recruits.
Yeah just because we don't know what is going on, that doesn't mean that there isn't something going on.
Well alright. Definitely not something that I expected. But nice addition to the team for sure.
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on April 26, 2021, 03:14:49 PM
I wouldn't be too worried about Shaka's recruiting tactics, He's big on relationship building. He's not going to do things to jeopardize relationships with current player or prospective recruits.
Fair, but I guess I don't understand why names aren't already in the portal? I mean, if you're not committed to MU, or Shaka has told you that your spot is in jeopardy, get your name out there young man! Maximize opportunities!
edit: and if those conversations haven't happened - bad on Shaka
Quote from: BigWilly77 on April 26, 2021, 03:06:05 PM
Anyone else concerned with the way Shaka is running the program? I like all this new talent he's bringing in but the over recruiting makes me a little squeamish. Don't know if I agree with the message it sends to future recruits.
Not in the least. I remember a lot of celebration over Wojo keeping Buzz's team together, then watching Burton, Dawson, and Cohen all leave in about a year anyway. Rather we get the guys that will be here for this coach and help the guys that won't find new homes.
Quote from: BigWilly77 on April 26, 2021, 03:06:05 PM
Anyone else concerned with the way Shaka is running the program? I like all this new talent he's bringing in but the over recruiting makes me a little squeamish. Don't know if I agree with the message it sends to future recruits.
I am squeamish about oversigning, too, but I am willing to wait and see how this plays out. I would hope that there has to be something going with some current guys on the roster that we don't know about.
I hate the idea that anyone we've signed that has done all that is asked of them could not have their scholarship renewed because we recruited over them.
These are college kids, not professionals. Once they sign, we owe them four years. I realize most of you disagree.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 26, 2021, 03:08:44 PM
yes and no. At one guy already told him he is leaving. they are just waiting until the end of the semester
Interesting. Care to shed more light on this one?
As I was saying.
Quote from: onepostdavis on April 26, 2021, 03:28:49 PM
As I was saying.
Yep. And I think there will be at least one more addition.
Quote from: BigWilly77 on April 26, 2021, 03:06:05 PM
Anyone else concerned with the way Shaka is running the program? I like all this new talent he's bringing in but the over recruiting makes me a little squeamish. Don't know if I agree with the message it sends to future recruits.
No. People have gotta stop with this. Roster transfers in and out are INEVITABLE with a new coaching staff. Look around. Who's to say the conversations regarding the roster haven't already been had and the intentions have been clear for a while? As someone who stresses relationship building, and whose actions have done nothing to speak to the contrary, I'm confident whatever the transfer situation Shaka has communicated to said parties what's happening.
Shaka owes the current players nothing. He can address the needs of his program as he sees fit.
And for the umpteenth time, it's the perfect year for a transition like this since all of the guys who will leave will have immediate eligibility. This is high major college basketball, you need some thicker skin.
Quote from: CTWarrior on April 26, 2021, 03:20:44 PM
I am squeamish about oversigning, too, but I am willing to wait and see how this plays out. I would hope that there has to be something going with some current guys on the roster that we don't know about.
I hate the idea that anyone we've signed that has done all that is asked of them could not have their scholarship renewed because we recruited over them.
These are college kids, not professionals. Once they sign, we owe them four years. I realize most of you disagree.
Totally understand what you're saying, but when a new regime comes in, there's going to be significant change. Athletes leave by choice, coaches remake the roster by choice. It's simply the way it is.
It's hard for me to say that MU "owes" Athlete A another year any more than Athlete A "owes" MU another year.
Welcome to Marquette, KK!
Yeah people need to calm down.
Not only do we have no idea what convos are like behind closed doors but Shaka is also a new coach this year. Technically all hes doing right now is building his program and getting his guys.
Its not a dirty move to tell someone like Perez(hypothetically) that it may be best he look elswhere because the program is going a new direction. Shaka didn't even recruit the guy.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 26, 2021, 02:59:23 PM
No. I don't believe so. I expect 2-3 more transfers out to be announced.
When? What advantage is there in not getting this done quickly? Maybe there will be one survivor among Greg, Perez and Akanno and they are playing Russian roulette. Glad to hear that you still think Garcia is returning. I lean in Uncle Rico's direction on this but hope you are right.
Quote from: CTWarrior on April 26, 2021, 03:20:44 PM
I am squeamish about oversigning, too, but I am willing to wait and see how this plays out. I would hope that there has to be something going with some current guys on the roster that we don't know about.
I hate the idea that anyone we've signed that has done all that is asked of them could not have their scholarship renewed because we recruited over them.
These are college kids, not professionals. Once they sign, we owe them four years. I realize most of you disagree.
Scholarships are year-by-year propositions, not 4-year promises. Guys leave early for the draft, guys leave early via the transfer portal, guys leave early to play overseas, guys leave early because they'd rather go work at a mom-and-pop sandwich joint. And with a new coaching staff who has no affiliation with this roster until mid-March, they especially owe these guys nothing. If there's a mutual interest in playing for Shaka, fantastic. Otherwise, you both act like adults and address that it's best you find a new place to play. Shaka isn't gonna sit around waiting for 2/3 years to get a roster of guys he wants in his program. At this level of basketball, that's comically naive.
In some regards this is the best possible environment to remake a roster for people who move on. Once the team takes shape if it looks like the role you had envisioned doesn't seem likely given the vision of the new coaching staff, then at least in this year there's no 1 year penalty for transferring.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 26, 2021, 03:40:45 PM
When? What advantage is there in not getting this done quickly? Maybe there will be one survivor among Greg, Perez and Akanno and they are playing Russian roulette. Glad to hear that you still think Garcia is returning. I lean in Uncle Rico's direction on this but hope you are right.
Finish the semester.
Also, I'd expect 3 departures since I still think we add 1 more still. And I am in the belief Dawson comes back too.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on April 26, 2021, 03:45:36 PM
Finish the semester.
The 1465 people that have entered the portal are also finishing the semester.
I'm not overly concerned about the scholarships, but I am surprised we haven't heard anything about anybody entering the portal.
Quote from: BigWilly77 on April 26, 2021, 03:06:05 PM
Anyone else concerned with the way Shaka is running the program? I like all this new talent he's bringing in but the over recruiting makes me a little squeamish. Don't know if I agree with the message it sends to future recruits.
No. This isn't 6th grade girls basketball.
Yes, I have to say it. We are the bizarro world UT Martin. Instead of losing 17 guys, we are gaining 17.
My other thought about for people feeling "squeamish"...Shaka is also bringing a good chunk of the existing 2021 class that Wojo recruited. Including Kam Jones who is much less regarded then a lot of the other SG names Shaka had been associated with. If he was truly remaking the roster his way with no regard for anyone and their commitment to the program, recruits you didn't originally recruit are one of the easiest ways. I have zero issues with how it's shaking out and, as others have said, there is likely plenty that we don't know behind the scenes that's respectful and non-detrimental to guys leaving the program.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 26, 2021, 03:49:07 PM
The 1465 people that have entered the portal are also finishing the semester.
I'm not overly concerned about the scholarships, but I am surprised we haven't heard anything about anybody entering the portal.
Absolutely, I am not saying you have to finish the semester first. But that can be a preference for people.
Focus on finishing school no distractions. Also, for certain players it may be ideal to enter later anyways. Teams that have been striking out on other players may have new opportunities.
Ultimately, I don't think it's real strange that things have been quiet on the leaving the program front.
Maybe Jose's TRO prevents him from going in the Portal, along with NYC
Greg Elliott got hurt entering the Portal and will be sidelined 3-4 months
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 26, 2021, 03:49:07 PM
The 1465 people that have entered the portal are also finishing the semester.
I'm not overly concerned about the scholarships, but I am surprised we haven't heard anything about anybody entering the portal.
I am also a little surprised about how quiet it's been. Just seems odd.
Dexter's hype is too big for the Portal, he's gonna need to compress some files to make it fit
Quote from: The Lens on April 26, 2021, 03:57:14 PM
Greg Elliott got hurt entering the Portal and will be sidelines 3-4 months
Too close to reality!
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 26, 2021, 03:07:50 PM
Winning is all that matters.
Yes sir. It's all about winning. Love how Shaka is putting together a team that can win now.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on April 26, 2021, 04:13:25 PM
Yes sir. It's all about winning. Love how Shaka is putting together a team that can win now.
College athletics have never been about the student part of student athletes and I'm glad Marquette finally understands that. Gives me hope when NIL legislation passes, Marquette will be prepared
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on April 26, 2021, 03:45:36 PM
Finish the semester.
A kid can still finish the roster even if he puts his name in the portal, can't he? If so, I just don't see any benefit of waiting to put your name in the portal. Every day more roster spots are getting filled and there are fewer opportunities out there. Why would a kid wait? Is there a typically a second wave of names in the portal once the semester ends?
Also, can a kid talk with other schools about transferring (if MU approves) without entering the portal?
Quote from: StillAWarrior on April 26, 2021, 04:20:01 PM
Also, can a kid talk with other schools about transferring (if MU approves) without entering the portal?
You aren't supposed to, but my guess is that is happening.
The portal is for narcs. If you're available, coaches will find you.
Would have rather had Theo John stay another year, I believe. This guy is just another body.
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on April 26, 2021, 04:25:04 PM
Would have rather had Theo John stay another year, I believe. This guy is just another body.
He's definitely more than just a body.
Lot of potential there for 1 year with Shaka. And fills a big time need.
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on April 26, 2021, 04:25:04 PM
Would have rather had Theo John stay another year, I believe. This guy is just another body.
Glad to see Theo leave, it was time. Sure he improved every year and blocked many a shot, but he was very mechanical. This gives them a center that can
move a tad better and has more then a back to basket game. It is only for 1 year, gives Shaka a year to find another big. I am of the feeling that Garcia does
not want to comeback, but once he finds out the NBA does not want him yet, he might be back. I can not remember any team other than Kentucky or Duke bringing
in a whole new roster, wow. As somebody close to the program said, they have 3 Big East players, the others all can leave. That might happen.
I like Garcia but he seems to play more like a 6'5" player because of his inability to jump and his soft defense.
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on April 26, 2021, 04:25:04 PM
Would have rather had Theo John stay another year, I believe. This guy is just another body.
Hard disagree, not that it was ever going to happen anyways. Kuath will be a major part of this team this upcoming year because of his position and his outstanding defense.
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on April 26, 2021, 04:25:04 PM
Would have rather had Theo John stay another year, I believe. This guy is just another body.
Disagree. Kur brings more variety on the offensive end and a lot of energy on the defensive side. Plays a lot bigger in the position and is a lot more mobile. I am a pretty big fan of this signing.
Watched a 3 minute highlight vid of Kur. The guy is longggg. Also seems to have a spring in his step and faster than Theo.
Before everyone worries, currently Greg may or may not count on totals and Dawson may or may not return. It could very well be that we are fine at the current number.
Quote from: The Lens on April 26, 2021, 04:21:29 PM
The portal is for narcs. If you're available, coaches will find you.
LOL
Quote from: CTWarrior on April 26, 2021, 03:20:44 PM
I am squeamish about oversigning, too, but I am willing to wait and see how this plays out. I would hope that there has to be something going with some current guys on the roster that we don't know about.
I hate the idea that anyone we've signed that has done all that is asked of them could not have their scholarship renewed because we recruited over them.
These are college kids, not professionals. Once they sign, we owe them four years. I realize most of you disagree.
It was my understanding that once a kid signs, the kid gets one year that is renewed each year. I could be wrong.
I am surprised that some here are surprised with the number of signings this spring. I always felt 2-3 returning guys would be the maximum and still feel that way. It was a perfect year for Shaka to take over and build his own identity. I hope there is at least one more addition to the roster.
Quote from: Skip Intro on April 26, 2021, 03:08:01 PM
Ok, that makes sense. Wonder if they'd try to apply for a waiver on that rule? With Covid still wreaking havoc on post-collegiate job prospects, I could see the NCAA making exceptions all over the place this year. These guys have an unusually limited job market this year - Kuath originally said he was going pro, only to change his mind. We've seen that a lot.
not a chance of that happening.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on April 26, 2021, 04:20:01 PM
A kid can still finish the roster even if he puts his name in the portal, can't he? If so, I just don't see any benefit of waiting to put your name in the portal. Every day more roster spots are getting filled and there are fewer opportunities out there. Why would a kid wait? Is there a typically a second wave of names in the portal once the semester ends?
Also, can a kid talk with other schools about transferring (if MU approves) without entering the portal?
that depends on the school. Some say your scholarship will not be renewed if you go on the Portal, some are more forgiving. Coaches recruit under the idea that kids are not going to be return.
And, a kid must be on the Portal for another coach to engage in permissible contact with a player at another school. Otherwise, that's tampering. That said, HS and AAU coaches are talking to other coaches for their kids all of the time.
Quote from: BigWilly77 on April 26, 2021, 03:06:05 PM
Anyone else concerned with the way Shaka is running the program? I like all this new talent he's bringing in but the over recruiting makes me a little squeamish. Don't know if I agree with the message it sends to future recruits.
In the past, yes, but we've entered free agency now. Coaches need to cover their asses considering the likelihood of players transferring.
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on April 26, 2021, 04:25:04 PM
Would have rather had Theo John stay another year, I believe. This guy is just another body.
Shaka has watched this young man up close and personal the last few years. I trust Shaka on this get.
Quote from: 79Warrior on April 26, 2021, 05:14:57 PM
Shaka has watched this young man up close and personal the last few years. I trust Shaka on this get.
agreed. Theo in a Havoc style defense? No thank you.
With the rumor that someone is leaving at end of semester wouldn't that likely be Greg? That pic someone posted appeared to show he's injured again and if that's the case he gets treated by MU through the semester and then either retires or sees if he's healthy enough to give it another go
Quote from: JWags85 on April 26, 2021, 03:53:29 PMIncluding Kam Jones who is much less regarded then a lot of the other SG names Shaka had been associated with.
FWIW He's top-100 per 247's own rankings. Only Joplin is ranked higher.
Quote from: The Lens on April 26, 2021, 03:57:14 PM
Greg Elliott got hurt entering the Portal and will be sidelined 3-4 months
This made me laugh...in a kinda sad way.
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on April 26, 2021, 04:25:04 PM
Would have rather had Theo John stay another year, I believe. This guy is just another body.
Theo John nearly has 2 times the turnover rate Kur does.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 26, 2021, 06:08:30 PM
FWIW He's top-100 per 247's own rankings. Only Joplin is ranked higher.
Fair, I was going off their composite rankings, not their individual
Quote from: Goose on April 26, 2021, 05:06:35 PM
I am surprised that some here are surprised with the number of signings this spring. I always felt 2-3 returning guys would be the maximum and still feel that way. It was a perfect year for Shaka to take over and build his own identity. I hope there is at least one more addition to the roster.
Goose
100% agree. I expect 1-2 more impact signings from Shaka. Exciting times for MUBB.
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on April 26, 2021, 04:25:04 PM
Would have rather had Theo John stay another year, I believe. This guy is just another body.
No, not just another body, a rim protector. I agree Theo would have better, but he left.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 26, 2021, 06:26:43 PM
Theo John nearly has 2 times the turnover rate Kur does.
Playing with a wrist that needs surgery will do that to anyone.
Quote from: JWags85 on April 26, 2021, 06:34:18 PM
Fair, I was going off their composite rankings, not their individual
Yeah, I was initially thinking he was a prime redshirt candidate, but talking to people that watched him more than I did, he might contribute meaningful minutes sooner than we expect.
Now that I think of it, didn't Oklahoma finish second in the Theo John sweepstakes four years ago?
Small world.
Quote from: 4everDawson on April 26, 2021, 07:23:23 PM
No, not just another body, a rim protector. I agree Theo would have better, but he left.
For what we need and what Shaka will try to do, Kuath is a better option than Theo anyways.
I woulda been just fine with Theo staying though.
Are we talking about the same Theo John that was here for the last four years?? And now, some are suggesting that they wish he stayed?....in Shaka's system?
Umm.....no.
Quote from: The Lens on April 26, 2021, 03:57:14 PM
Greg Elliott got hurt entering the Portal and will be sidelined 3-4 months
They really need to put a "Watch Your Step" sign on that thing.
Quote from: 4everDawson on April 26, 2021, 07:29:00 PM
Playing with a wrist that needs surgery will do that to anyone.
Theo John with his wrist injury his junior year had a 17.4% TO Rate
Theo John with few injuries his senior year had a 24.6% TO Rate
Kur Kuath had a TO Rate of 13.1% last year.
Theo wouldnt really work with shaka.
Can they skirt recruiting rules not being in the portal? Seemed Theo only "entered" after duke was a sure thing and not to feel it out. Maybe they are getting offers behind the scenes?
Welcome aboard Kur.
Great addition to replace Theo. Lots of experience against high level competition. We need this kind of rim protector to compete against the top tier teams in our league .
Quote from: BigWilly77 on April 26, 2021, 03:06:05 PM
Anyone else concerned with the way Shaka is running the program? I like all this new talent he's bringing in but the over recruiting makes me a little squeamish. Don't know if I agree with the message it sends to future recruits.
JUST WIN BABY
Quote from: We R Final Four on April 26, 2021, 07:46:50 PM
Are we talking about the same Theo John that was here for the last four years?? And now, some are suggesting that they wish he stayed?....in Shaka's system?
Umm.....no.
Every time anyone talks about "Shaka's system" I feel the need to remind people that this guy and his dad bod started 70 games over two seasons in "Shaka's system." If Dylan Osetowski can play for Shaka, Theo can play for Shaka.
Havoc is long dead and buried, people.
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Quote from: Pakuni on April 26, 2021, 09:02:45 PM
Every time anyone talks about "Shaka's system" I feel the need to remind people that this guy and his dad bod started 70 games over two seasons in "Shaka's system." If Dylan Osetowski can play for Shaka, Theo can play for Shaka.
Havoc is long dead and buried, people.
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That guy was a much more well rounded player...
This is a Dad bod?
Dylan was a crafty player.
Shaka sought Dylan out to play in his system.
We have seen Theo's work....time to move on.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on April 26, 2021, 09:22:23 PM
That guy was a much more well rounded player...
That's not the point.
Looking forward to Kur's game continuing to evolve. Shaka had to game plan against him, so I'm sure coach knows what he's getting into here.
Last name is pronounced "Kweth" for the curious.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on April 26, 2021, 09:48:00 PM
Looking forward to Kur's game continuing to evolve. Shaka had to game plan against him, so I'm sure coach knows what he's getting into here.
Last name is pronounced "Kweth" for the curious.
Thanks, I was pretty Kurious
Welcome to MU KuKwe
Welcome Kur.
Still don't understand why we can't welcome one player without simultaneously criticizing a player that left who happens to play the same position. I thought Theo would have been a good player to have around, I think Kur will be a good player to have around. I also think that if Shaka is as good as most here seem to think (I'm personally far from convinced), he'd be able to find a way to get the most out of either player, that's kind of his job right?
Quote from: jfp61 on April 26, 2021, 06:26:43 PM
Theo John nearly has 2 times the turnover rate Kur does.
ding, ding, ding.
That alone makes this a significant upgrade of Theo. Stats are pretty similar otherwise in fewer minutes for Kuath. Better athlete than Theo. I don't see a downside.
As for the guys that plan to leave at the end of the semester, Smart know how many are leaving and who they are. For all the handwringers out there, it's all good, this is what happens when a program goes in a new direction - be excited for next year.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 26, 2021, 03:07:50 PM
Winning is all that matters.
Then we should start cheating.
As one who would have been fine had Theo returned, I'm fine with him moving on.
This simply is what happens in this kind of situation, this year more than ever.
Quote from: BigWilly77 on Today at 03:06:05 PM
Anyone else concerned with the way Shaka is running the program? I like all this new talent he's bringing in but the over recruiting makes me a little squeamish. Don't know if I agree with the message it sends to future recruits.
He is bringing in his guys. He's not overrecruiting...things change.
You don't know what. . . exactly!? You don't know what message it is sending to future recruits? Who cares! He is starting over and apparently knows the recruits he wants and will bring in...what is to complain about?
Quote from: onepostdavis on April 26, 2021, 03:41:20 PM
Scholarships are year-by-year propositions, not 4-year promises. Guys leave early for the draft, guys leave early via the transfer portal, guys leave early to play overseas, guys leave early because they'd rather go work at a mom-and-pop sandwich joint. And with a new coaching staff who has no affiliation with this roster until mid-March, they especially owe these guys nothing. If there's a mutual interest in playing for Shaka, fantastic. Otherwise, you both act like adults and address that it's best you find a new place to play. Shaka isn't gonna sit around waiting for 2/3 years to get a roster of guys he wants in his program. At this level of basketball, that's comically naive.
EXCELLENT POST....I concur 110% Good stuff... the bottom line.
You nailed it. ;D
Kur YouTube Mix Tape
https://youtu.be/ELlpGVkmiEA
This kid has a lot of athleticism and is a legit 6'10. I expect him to be an excellent replacement for T. John. Did you notice his bounce? He gets off the floor quickly.
Theo who?, hey?
He hits 3's like Theo.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on April 27, 2021, 06:42:24 AM
He hits 3's like Theo.
but can he match Theo's double-bi pose?
Great discourse on the "squeamishness" lol. Didn't mean to make it something bigger than it actually is. Shaka deserves the benefit of the doubt and I shouldn't assume he is over-recruiting and pushing people out.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 26, 2021, 03:49:07 PM
The 1465 people that have entered the portal are also finishing the semester.
I'm not overly concerned about the scholarships, but I am surprised we haven't heard anything about anybody entering the portal.
Unless I missed something it could be Carton and Lewis.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 27, 2021, 07:34:19 AM
Unless I missed something it could be Carton and Lewis.
What?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 26, 2021, 02:54:03 PM
He was at Oklahoma
True, but he was at Salt Lake Community College for two years before he was at Oklahoma.
Happy to have him here. We needed another big.
Welcome Mr. Kuath! I foresee a lot of Dickey Simpkins yelling "SECURITY" in our future.
Until now, Shaka has stacked his roster with underclassmen. I love this add and I love that Shaka is relentlessly pursuing Moresell. Not because they will help us win next season (though that is a great bonus) but because it's clear that he is establishing the culture of his program right away. He signs up a bunch of young guys that fit the mold of the player he wants to recruit and are young enough that he can get them ingrained in his culture of defense right away. Now he's recruited a veteran big man known for his defensive prowess. The last piece is to get Moresell, the reigning Big 10 Defensive Player of the Year. Then he will have a guard and a forward that are defensive stalwarts. Guys that Shaka can point to and tell the youngings, "you wanna know how I want you to play defense, watch Darryl and Kur." They will help build the culture and bring us future success.
It's not the way I expected him to build his roster, but I dig it. Very excited about the Shaka era
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 27, 2021, 07:34:19 AM
Unless I missed something it could be Carton and Lewis.
I think you definitely missed something.
At this point, I'd be really surprised if Dawson returned. He has been away from the team (and Milwaukee in general) since the season ended - I get that he's "prepping for the combine", but I just have a feeling that there's more to it than that. Someone on here posted that he ran into him on the beach in Florida just a week or so ago, so it's not as if he's in the training lab 24/7. Couple that with his overall radio silence since Shaka's hiring and it just seems as if he's moving on. He's the type of player that could enter the transfer portal very late and still find a good landing spot, if that's how it shakes out for him.
I also think that Greg isn't going to count as a scholarship next season for one of two reasons: either he's granted a waiver for this to be this to be his covid year, or he's physically done playing basketball but remains as part of the team (a la Ike). His arm in a sling in those recent videos is concerning.
Welcome Kur!
Looks like Shaka will be prepared if Garcia leaves. Kur, Justin, O-Max, Oso, and Joplin can fill the 4&5. I still think Keeyan should redshirt so he can bulk up and polish his game.
Of course, there will be room for Garcia if he returns. But we might not know that until July. I'm glad Shaka already has his contingency plan in place.
Quote from: Skip Intro on April 27, 2021, 08:08:14 AM
I think you definitely missed something.
At this point, I'd be really surprised if Dawson returned. He has been away from the team (and Milwaukee in general) since the season ended - I get that he's "prepping for the combine", but I just have a feeling that there's more to it than that. Someone on here posted that he ran into him on the beach in Florida just a week or so ago, so it's not as if he's in the training lab 24/7. Couple that with his overall radio silence since Shaka's hiring and it just seems as if he's moving on. He's the type of player that could enter the transfer portal very late and still find a good landing spot, if that's how it shakes out for him.
I also think that Greg isn't going to count as a scholarship next season for one of two reasons: either he's granted a waiver for this to be this to be his covid year, or he's physically done playing basketball but remains as part of the team (a la Ike). His arm in a sling in those recent videos is concerning.
Yep. I think that he
might have Marquette as a back up plan but he can find a new gig even late in the transfer "season". He's playing poker and keeping his cards close to his vest.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 27, 2021, 07:34:19 AM
Unless I missed something it could be Carton and Lewis.
You missed something.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 27, 2021, 07:54:41 AM
Welcome Mr. Kuath! I foresee a lot of Dickey Simpkins yelling "SECURITY" in our future.
Until now, Shaka has stacked his roster with underclassmen. I love this add and I love that Shaka is relentlessly pursuing Moresell. Not because they will help us win next season (though that is a great bonus) but because it's clear that he is establishing the culture of his program right away. He signs up a bunch of young guys that fit the mold of the player he wants to recruit and are young enough that he can get them ingrained in his culture of defense right away. Now he's recruited a veteran big man known for his defensive prowess. The last piece is to get Moresell, the reigning Big 10 Defensive Player of the Year. Then he will have a guard and a forward that are defensive stalwarts. Guys that Shaka can point to and tell the youngings, "you wanna know how I want you to play defense, watch Darryl and Kur." They will help build the culture and bring us future success.
It's not the way I expected him to build his roster, but I dig it. Very excited about the Shaka era
Relentlessly pursuing Morsell?
Sweet!
How do you know this?
With Haynes coming from Maryland, MU seems like the place for Daryl—even though Haynes didn't recruit him there, he did coach him there (if I recall).
Kur is a slight upgrade over Theo. Just a guy, as Bob McGinn used to say, but better than what MU had.
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on April 27, 2021, 04:14:08 PM
Kur is a slight upgrade over Theo. Just a guy, as Bob McGinn used to say, but better than what MU had.
Steve, just because you couldn't recruit a guy like him in seven years doesn't mean you have to be bitter now.
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on April 27, 2021, 04:14:08 PM
Kur is a slight upgrade over Theo. Just a guy, as Bob McGinn used to say, but better than what MU had.
How many games have you seen Kur play in the last few years??
Quote from: BigWilly77 on April 27, 2021, 06:59:18 AM
Great discourse on the "squeamishness" lol. Didn't mean to make it something bigger than it actually is. Shaka deserves the benefit of the doubt and I shouldn't assume he is over-recruiting and pushing people out.
This is where I am on all of this. Shaka totally deserves to be trusted as knowing more than all of us do on building his roster, totally deserves the benefit of the doubt.
Quote from: Lazar's Headband on April 27, 2021, 08:41:31 AM
Welcome Kur!
Looks like Shaka will be prepared if Garcia leaves. Kur, Justin, O-Max, Oso, and Joplin can fill the 4&5. I still think Keeyan should redshirt so he can bulk up and polish his game.
Of course, there will be room for Garcia if he returns. But we might not know that until July. I'm glad Shaka already has his contingency plan in place.
I like this, too. Really hoping Garcia returns because he could be very good with a year of college under his belt, better players around him and a better coaching staff. But Shaka can't sit around and hope, and he hasn't. Very impressed with the sheer numbers. Obviously, we'll know more about how good each of these players are soon enough. A year ago, I had no idea that Lewis was going to be as good as he was.
Come on ...
As posted above, Kur is just a body.
He may be a very small upgrade over
Theo. If Wojo had got him as a transfer the reaction would be " meh " fine ...
Could help a bit ...
He's not a star. Not a stud. Just a guy
Some of u are going waaaaay too far acting like every guy Shaka brings in is an all American ..
Quote from: Mu8891 on April 27, 2021, 06:33:14 PM
Come on ...
As posted above, Kur is just a body.
He may be a very small upgrade over
Theo. If Wojo had got him as a transfer the reaction would be " meh " fine ...
Could help a bit ...
He's not a star. Not a stud. Just a guy
Some of u are going waaaaay too far acting like every guy Shaka brings in is an all American ..
Please get off this board. Go back to the Badger board.
Quote from: Mu8891 on April 27, 2021, 06:33:14 PM
Come on ...
As posted above, Kur is just a body.
He may be a very small upgrade over
Theo. If Wojo had got him as a transfer the reaction would be " meh " fine ...
Could help a bit ...
He's not a star. Not a stud. Just a guy
Some of u are going waaaaay too far acting like every guy Shaka brings in is an all American ..
.................???
Quote from: Mu8891 on April 27, 2021, 06:33:14 PM
Come on ...
As posted above, Kur is just a body.
He may be a very small upgrade over
Theo. If Wojo had got him as a transfer the reaction would be " meh " fine ...
Could help a bit ...
He's not a star. Not a stud. Just a guy
Some of u are going waaaaay too far acting like every guy Shaka brings in is an all American ..
Please show a post in which any Scooper said Kur was a "star" or a "stud." Thanks.
Also, please show a post in which any Scooper said he or she expected
any player Shaka brought in to be an All-American (let alone every player). Thanks.
Some of u are going waaaaay too far ripping everything Shaka does because you're whiny and negative.
Quote from: Mu8891 on April 27, 2021, 06:33:14 PM
Come on ...
As posted above, Kur is just a body.
He may be a very small upgrade over
Theo. If Wojo had got him as a transfer the reaction would be " meh " fine ...
Could help a bit ...
He's not a star. Not a stud. Just a guy
Some of u are going waaaaay too far acting like every guy Shaka brings in is an all American ..
This is a good question actually.
Are they willing to expand the All American list this year to account for all of the talent that Shaka brought in? I can't imagine leaving any single one of them off of the AA list, and if you argue against me you're a Badger fan.
Quote from: Mu8891 on April 27, 2021, 06:33:14 PM
Come on ...
As posted above, Kur is just a body.
He may be a very small upgrade over
Theo. If Wojo had got him as a transfer the reaction would be " meh " fine ...
Could help a bit ...
He's not a star. Not a stud. Just a guy
Some of u are going waaaaay too far acting like every guy Shaka brings in is an all American ..
Jayce Johnson?
Quote from: 79Warrior on April 27, 2021, 05:01:31 PM
How many games have you seen Kur play in the last few years??
I feel another valid question for a lot of the NoJo's and people who are critical of last year's players would be how many games have they seen the 20-21 players play in this past year??
I feel a lot of people critical of Theo hadn't actually seen him play much this past year. Not that he is without his flaws... but to hear some people describe it is a whole different level.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on April 28, 2021, 09:23:44 AM
This is a good question actually.
Are they willing to expand the All American list this year to account for all of the talent that Shaka brought in? I can't imagine leaving any single one of them off of the AA list, and if you argue against me you're a Badger fan.
Ha! Well, our coaches have regularly brought in 3 and 4 star recruits, with an occasional 5. But mostly 3s and 4s. And that's what Shaka is doing. 3s and 4s. We are just hoping his 3s and 4s are underrated and will perform better with his leadership. Hoping.
For me with Kuath, it's about fit. 1.9 ppp in transition (100th percentile) is awesome for a guy that should be getting more transition opportunities. Oklahoma's 2PFG% defense was 8.3% better with him on the floor, which shows his interior defensive capability, and the team also had a lower free throw rate (18.6% to 27.7%) with him on the floor which likely means teams were taking fewer high percentage shots at the rim because of his presence.
He's not an All-American, but he's a rim protector that has a clear defensive impact and excels in getting out in transition, so he knows his role. It feels like he's everything we hoped Ike Eke would've been.
Quote from: UWW2MU on April 28, 2021, 09:49:03 AM
I feel another valid question for a lot of the NoJo's and people who are critical of last year's players would be how many games have they seen the 20-21 players play in this past year??
I feel a lot of people critical of Theo hadn't actually seen him play much this past year. Not that he is without his flaws... but to hear some people describe it is a whole different level.
I haven't been overly critical of Theo, but let's not pretend he was something he wasn't. Looked like Tarzan, played like Jane most of the time. And, BTW, I saw every game he played in a Marquette uniform. It was time to move on.
Kuath averaged 17.2 minutes last year. Fouls didn't seem to be an issue (1.5/game). I know this will likely depend on if Dawson is back but do people expect his MPG to fall in the 17-20 range? Or is their a scenario where he's playing 25 MPG?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 28, 2021, 12:13:10 PM
Kuath averaged 17.2 minutes last year. Fouls didn't seem to be an issue (1.5/game). I know this will likely depend on if Dawson is back but do people expect his MPG to fall in the 17-20 range? Or is their a scenario where he's playing 25 MPG?
Like you said, it depends on Dawson. I expect Lewis and Dawson to start if he comes back with Kuath being one of the first players off the bench. If he doesn't, I expect Lewis and Kuath to start.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 28, 2021, 12:35:15 PM
Like you said, it depends on Dawson. I expect Lewis and Dawson to start if he comes back with Kuath being one of the first players off the bench. If he doesn't, I expect Lewis and Kuath to start.
I am going with option c: Dawson is the wing, Justin the 4, Kuath the 5.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on April 28, 2021, 01:33:55 PM
I am going with option c: Dawson is the wing, Justin the 4, Kuath the 5.
I think it will be difficult to play all three of them together. Unless Lewis is a completely different defensive player as a Soph.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on April 28, 2021, 01:33:55 PM
I am going with option c: Dawson is the wing, Justin the 4, Kuath the 5.
If all 3 played together it would be Justin on the wing.
I don't think there will be much of that though.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on April 28, 2021, 01:43:57 PM
If all 3 played together it would be Justin on the wing.
I don't think there will be much of that though.
I think you're just going off size there. Dawson's more suited for the wing with Justin more suited for the 4.
Both Justin and Dawson would get absolutely torched by any remotely decent wing in the Big East. I honestly think if all 3 of those guys are on the court at the same time, Kuath would have the best chance at defending the perimeter. But then you're taking him away from his rim protection, which he offers far more of than Dawson and Justin as well.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on April 28, 2021, 01:33:55 PM
I am going with option c: Dawson is the wing, Justin the 4, Kuath the 5.
I can't see a defense first coach like Shaka putting either Lewis or Dawson on the wing unless they vastly improve
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 28, 2021, 04:33:51 PM
I can't see a defense first coach like Shaka putting either Lewis or Dawson on the wing unless they vastly improve
+1
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 28, 2021, 04:33:51 PM
I can't see a defense first coach like Shaka putting either Lewis or Dawson on the wing unless they vastly improve
Neither were good at protecting the ball and I would cringe when they started to dribble inside the arc.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 28, 2021, 12:35:15 PM
Like you said, it depends on Dawson. I expect Lewis and Dawson to start if he comes back with Kuath being one of the first players off the bench. If he doesn't, I expect Lewis and Kuath to start.
I think it is very unlikely Dawson is back.
Quote from: 79Warrior on April 28, 2021, 05:19:26 PM
I think it is very unlikely Dawson is back.
I wouldn't say very unlikely... but I certainly wouldn't put money on him returning
Will he play D league with Henry?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 28, 2021, 05:39:46 PM
I wouldn't say very unlikely... but I certainly wouldn't put money on him returning
Standby.
Quote from: Skip Intro on April 27, 2021, 08:08:14 AM
I think you definitely missed something.
At this point, I'd be really surprised if Dawson returned. He has been away from the team (and Milwaukee in general) since the season ended - I get that he's "prepping for the combine", but I just have a feeling that there's more to it than that. Someone on here posted that he ran into him on the beach in Florida just a week or so ago, so it's not as if he's in the training lab 24/7. Couple that with his overall radio silence since Shaka's hiring and it just seems as if he's moving on. He's the type of player that could enter the transfer portal very late and still find a good landing spot, if that's how it shakes out for him.
I also think that Greg isn't going to count as a scholarship next season for one of two reasons: either he's granted a waiver for this to be this to be his covid year, or he's physically done playing basketball but remains as part of the team (a la Ike). His arm in a sling in those recent videos is concerning.
Hmm.... not the portal, but DJ is gone.
https://gomarquette.com/news/2021/4/28/mens-basketball-d-j-carton-to-pursue-professional-career.aspx
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 28, 2021, 10:04:23 PM
Hmm.... not the portal, but DJ is gone.
https://gomarquette.com/news/2021/4/28/mens-basketball-d-j-carton-to-pursue-professional-career.aspx
WHOA, REALLY!??
Quote from: JWags85 on April 28, 2021, 10:40:54 PM
WHOA, REALLY!??
I appreciate the snark. However, I believe he was pointing out he said Carton and Lewis may be gone, and Skip said he was missing something.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 29, 2021, 12:36:14 AM
I appreciate the snark. However, I believe he was pointing out he said Carton and Lewis may be gone, and Skip said he was missing something.
Fair enough, I was more reacting to the linking of the article like it wasn't well known :o