Yes, things are in flux and there's still going to be roster movement so this is a bit of a fool's errand right now, but based on the current roster what's your starting lineup at this time? I'm making the assumption that Garcia will be back. Mine is:
Carton
Kolek
Mitchell
Lewis
Garcia
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 16, 2021, 09:40:10 AM
Yes, things are in flux and there's still going to be roster movement so this is a bit of a fool's errand right now, but based on the current roster what's your starting lineup at this time? I'm making the assumption that Garcia will be back. Mine is:
Carton
Kolek
Mitchell
Lewis
Garcia
Assuming no roster changes, I think you can swap out Mitchell for Greg Elliot.
Morsell
Carton
Bates
Baldwin
Garcia
Kam is in my starting lineup for best dressed. Channeling some of that 1977 team photo swagger.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzGhaFOXAAEQcP6?format=jpg&name=900x900)
It's too early to make these predictions because I don't think one of the starters is officially on the roster yet.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on April 16, 2021, 09:52:55 AM
It's too early to make these predictions because I don't think one of the starters is officially on the roster yet.
What're you insinuating? A player were recruiting still? A player that hasn't signed a LOI? Or a player that's technically still in the draft evaluation?
I am insinuating that there are likely more roster moves to come.
Ben Steele said
Carton
Kolek
Joplin
Lewis
Garcia
I will go with that, but I wouldn't be surprised Kolek and Joplin's spots rotate alot
Right now, my guess would be
Carton
Mitchell
Ellis
Lewis
Garcia
But as Fluffy said, I think the roster is far from finished
Just with the guys on the roster, my guess is
Carton
Kolek
Joplin
Lewis
Garcia
Not exactly going out on a limb here.
But I think Fluffy has the right of it, I think there's one huge move still to come (tied into the hire made today) that shakes this up.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on April 16, 2021, 09:52:55 AM
It's too early to make these predictions because I don't think one of the starters is officially on the roster yet.
What's the point of this post? I already added the caveat that things are in flux and likely to change. Still an interesting topic to get opinions on.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 16, 2021, 10:05:26 AM
What's the point of this post? I already added the caveat that things are in flux and likely to change. Still an interesting topic to get opinions on.
If my posts actually needed a point, I'd have like five total posts in my history.
I'll go with whatever Shaka decides.
Carton
Kulek (Need a lights out shooter for spacing and a true warrior)
Mitchell (Lots of glowing Mitchell talk from Shaka in yesterday's presser)
Baldwin (Too much smoke here. Reading recent updates, knowing they are a tight family, I think he wants to stay close to family and Shaka hiring opened the door to play elite competition locally at MU)
Garcia (Not convinced he comes back)
Quote from: Big Papi on April 16, 2021, 10:48:47 AM
Carton
Kulek (Need a lights out shooter for spacing and a true warrior)
Mitchell (Lots of glowing Mitchell talk from Shaka in yesterday's presser)
Baldwin (Too much smoke here. Reading recent updates, knowing they are a tight family, I think he wants to stay close to family and Shaka hiring opened the door to play elite competition locally at MU)
Garcia (Not convinced he comes back)
Seriously still?
Carton
Lewis
Garcia
Elliott
Morsel
If Bates comes, he'll start. Question is whether Greg is here (I hope so).
Carton
Kolek
Elliott
Garcia
Lewis
This is assuming both Garcia and Elliott stay, and no other players are added.
The incoming freshman are wildcards. One might start but I don't know who that one would be. I think most are at least a year away from really making an impact.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 16, 2021, 10:01:26 AM
Right now, my guess would be
Carton
Mitchell
Ellis
Lewis
Garcia
But as Fluffy said, I think the roster is far from finished
Ahem, I know you don't make mistakes like this...
Quote from: JakeBarnes on April 16, 2021, 09:49:12 AM
Kam is in my starting lineup for best dressed. Channeling some of that 1977 team photo swagger.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzGhaFOXAAEQcP6?format=jpg&name=900x900)
Kam was trending to be one of my new favorites. That pic may have clinched the deal.
Quote from: Big Papi on April 16, 2021, 10:48:47 AM
Carton
Kulek (Need a lights out shooter for spacing and a true warrior)
Mitchell (Lots of glowing Mitchell talk from Shaka in yesterday's presser)
Baldwin (Too much smoke here. Reading recent updates, knowing they are a tight family, I think he wants to stay close to family and Shaka hiring opened the door to play elite competition locally at MU)
Garcia (Not convinced he comes back)
Baldwin will play at UWM if he wants to stay local.
Quote from: Big Papi on April 16, 2021, 10:48:47 AM
Carton
Kulek (Need a lights out shooter for spacing and a true warrior)
Mitchell (Lots of glowing Mitchell talk from Shaka in yesterday's presser)
Baldwin (Too much smoke here. Reading recent updates, knowing they are a tight family, I think he wants to stay close to family and Shaka hiring opened the door to play elite competition locally at MU)
Garcia (Not convinced he comes back)
There is zero actual smoke. Made up smoke....maybe.
There is a better chance that I suit up for MU next year than Baldwin. It is not happening.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on April 16, 2021, 11:26:10 AM
There is zero actual smoke. Made up smoke....maybe.
There is a better chance that I suit up for MU next year than Baldwin. It is not happening.
Did you ever dunk in 8th grade?
Quote from: JakeBarnes on April 16, 2021, 11:26:32 AM
Did you ever dunk in 8th grade?
I have been lucky to ever get backboard my whole life unfortunately.
So yeah, lets hope I don't suit up.
Quote from: Big Papi on April 16, 2021, 10:48:47 AM
Baldwin (Too much smoke here.
There's literally no smoke. It was steam. And it all dissipated this morning.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on April 16, 2021, 11:08:01 AM
Ahem, I know you don't make mistakes like this...
???
https://247sports.com/player/emarion-ellis-46097931/
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 16, 2021, 01:19:04 PM
???
https://247sports.com/player/emarion-ellis-46097931/
I think he thought you meant elliott
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 16, 2021, 01:19:04 PM
???
https://247sports.com/player/emarion-ellis-46097931/
See, I made the mistake, simple explanation.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on April 16, 2021, 01:20:50 PM
See, I made the mistake, simple explanation.
Hards types faster than he thinks.
Quote from: Autoengineer on April 16, 2021, 02:59:24 PM
Hards types faster than he thinks.
Just think, I weren't around to hurt your fee fees you'd have nothing to talk about at all!
Quote from: BLM on April 16, 2021, 09:47:13 AM
Morsell
Carton
Bates
Baldwin
Garcia
Interesting. Projecting 3 guys as starters that are not even in the program.
I'd go with BLM's lineup.
Assuming the roster stays the same, I'd say...
Kolek
Carton
Elliott
Lewis
Garcia
First 3: Ighadaro, Jones, Joplin
But I think there's a very good chance one of the above is gone and replaced with someone not yet here.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 17, 2021, 06:18:35 AM
Assuming the roster stays the same, I'd say...
Kolek
Carton
Elliott
Lewis
Garcia
First 3: Ighadaro, Jones, Joplin
But I think there's a very good chance one of the above is gone and replaced with someone not yet here.
Very interesting post Brew. On the Holyland site, Golden Warriors 11 stated the obvious- that someone has to leave- but added that it would not be Garcia. MU Panther replied that he was hearing vibes on campus that Garcia is leaving but no one else has said anything at all like this. Strange.
If you wanted to say more, you would have but your mysterious comments have me wondering what's behind them. Like many here, I expected the departures likely to be Perez and Akanno. Maybe them plus one more (other than Greg Elliot?). I doubt that Bates is coming for the simple reason he has held off for so long and I do not understand why he would not have made a decision yet if Marquette as his choice.
Still believe Garcia stays.
Lewis
Garcia
O-Max
Kolek
Carton
Sixth man- Elliott
In the mix- Joplin, Ellis, Oso, Mitchell
Think O-Max playing a full ACC season, skill set, and size gives him a leg up on others.
I haven't seen Elliot in any of the recent vids or photos. Maybe my super sleuthing is bad, but that seems like a tell?
Garcia is gone
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 17, 2021, 08:32:30 AM
Garcia is gone
I hope he has better info than Vander Blue did.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 17, 2021, 08:00:05 AM
Very interesting post Brew. On the Holyland site, Golden Warriors 11 stated the obvious- that someone has to leave- but added that it would not be Garcia. MU Panther replied that he was hearing vibes on campus that Garcia is leaving but no one else has said anything at all like this. Strange.
If you wanted to say more, you would have but your mysterious comments have me wondering what's behind them. Like many here, I expected the departures likely to be Perez and Akanno. Maybe them plus one more (other than Greg Elliot?). I doubt that Bates is coming for the simple reason he has held off for so long and I do not understand why he would not have made a decision yet if Marquette as his choice.
I could see 0-2 additions and 1-3 departures. The only place I think Garcia goes is the NBA.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 17, 2021, 08:32:30 AM
Garcia is gone
Based on ...
Not doubting you at all, Unk, just wondering what convinced you to say something so definitive.
Garcia is not rated in the Top 100 picks of the NBA draft, Mamu is about 60 so he may not be drafted. Houser about 74 Luke Garcia may or may not be drafted. Garcia may transfer out but he would be smart to go back to college somewhere. Makes total sense to comeback. Team looks to better next year, that will help. Lots of excitement with new coach.
Quote from: MU82 on April 17, 2021, 08:52:53 AM
Based on ...
Not doubting you at all, Unk, just wondering what convinced you to say something so definitive.
I have no insider information whatsoever. Just a gut feeling
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on April 16, 2021, 10:01:26 AM
Right now, my guess would be
Carton
Mitchell
Ellis
Lewis
Garcia
But as Fluffy said, I think the roster is far from finished
I saw an interview with SS where he said Ellis is young/raw but will be a great player. Based upon that, I would think Jop for Ellis. But who knows....as SS has said we're not done yet!
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 17, 2021, 09:28:32 AM
I have no insider information whatsoever. Just a gut feeling
Well, no shame in not being connected. Fact is no one on Scoop has any actual insight. At least you are honest about it!
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 17, 2021, 09:28:32 AM
I have no insider information whatsoever. Just a gut feeling
Thanks, Unk. I hope your gut is wrong this time! Might be right, though.
As Crash said, nobody on Scoop actually knows nuttin' about what Garcia will or won't do. Soon enough, we'll see.
Quote from: MU82 on April 17, 2021, 10:32:10 AM
Thanks, Unk. I hope your gut is wrong this time! Might be right, though.
As Crash said, nobody on Scoop actually knows nuttin' about what Garcia will or won't do. Soon enough, we'll see.
My gut says he's coming back. Question is to where?
But what the hell do I know?
As an underclassman, unless you are guaranteed to go in the top-40, there is so much risk in leaving early (unless you are in poor academic standing and/or have zero interest in going to class). In the NBA, many 2nd round picks go to foreign projects that have little chance of making the NBA, and teams rather not spend money on guaranteed roster spots. In addition, if you do leave early, you want as much opportunity to go to an organization that will help you develop (in order to get paid more down the road). Go to the wrong team as an UDFA, and you have little room to excel beyond that.
The fact Dawson is not even being listed in many mock drafts as even a 2nd Rounder gives little optimism that he'd find a strong opportunity this Summer. Overseas opportunities have their own issues due to COVID.
The biggest concern regarding Dawson would have been him going into the transfer portal, which he hasn't. With so many programs quickly filling spots, and Minnesota (with McNeilly) acquiring A&M talent (likely), the odds grow by the day he returns next year (especially with a staff as proven with bigs as Shaka and Co.).
No one has inside knowledge, but it isn't rocket science to figure out what the best pathway forward for him in the NBA would be.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on April 17, 2021, 10:48:43 AM
As an underclassman, unless you are guaranteed to go in the top-40, there is so much risk in leaving early (unless you are in poor academic standing and/or have zero interest in going to class). In the NBA, many 2nd round picks go to foreign projects that have little chance of making the NBA, and teams rather not spend money on guaranteed roster spots. In addition, if you do leave early, you want as much opportunity to go to an organization that will help you develop (in order to get paid more down the road). Go to the wrong team as an UDFA, and you have little room to excel beyond that.
The fact Dawson is not even being listed in many mock drafts as even a 2nd Rounder gives little optimism that he'd find a strong opportunity this Summer. Overseas opportunities have their own issues due to COVID.
The biggest concern regarding Dawson would have been him going into the transfer portal, which he hasn't. With so many programs quickly filling spots, and Minnesota (with McNeilly) acquiring A&M talent (likely), the odds grow by the day he returns next year (especially with a staff as proven with bigs as Shaka and Co.).
No one has inside knowledge, but it isn't rocket science to figure out what the best pathway forward for him in the NBA would be.
Logical, rational posts like this take all the fun out of a thread. Anybody who can come up with a wild, unsubstantiated rumor to make this subject more interesting?
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 17, 2021, 11:01:22 AM
Logical, rational posts like this take all the fun out of a thread. Anybody who can come up with a wild, unsubstantiated rumor to make this subject more interesting?
Garcia to Texas.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on April 17, 2021, 10:48:43 AM
As an underclassman, unless you are guaranteed to go in the top-40, there is so much risk in leaving early (unless you are in poor academic standing and/or have zero interest in going to class). In the NBA, many 2nd round picks go to foreign projects that have little chance of making the NBA, and teams rather not spend money on guaranteed roster spots. In addition, if you do leave early, you want as much opportunity to go to an organization that will help you develop (in order to get paid more down the road). Go to the wrong team as an UDFA, and you have little room to excel beyond that.
The fact Dawson is not even being listed in many mock drafts as even a 2nd Rounder gives little optimism that he'd find a strong opportunity this Summer. Overseas opportunities have their own issues due to COVID.
The biggest concern regarding Dawson would have been him going into the transfer portal, which he hasn't. With so many programs quickly filling spots, and Minnesota (with McNeilly) acquiring A&M talent (likely), the odds grow by the day he returns next year (especially with a staff as proven with bigs as Shaka and Co.).
No one has inside knowledge, but it isn't rocket science to figure out what the best pathway forward for him in the NBA would be.
It's a changing world. What we think is the best path for Dawson Garcia may not actually be the best path. I'm not wholly convinced these kids coming back to college is the best path.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 17, 2021, 11:01:22 AM
a wild, unsubstantiated rumor to make this subject more interesting?
Maya Smart has been in Milwaukee now for a couple weeks and finds it 'wanting.'
Word is she wants her husband to look hard at another position in a more culturally sophisticated location.
#undonedeal #bauschandlombefailure
Quote from: keefe on April 17, 2021, 10:08:28 AM
Well, no shame in not being connected. Fact is no one on Scoop has any actual insight. At least you are honest about it!
No one? So BigDaddy didn't have any inside knowledge?
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on April 17, 2021, 10:48:43 AM
No one has inside knowledge, but it isn't rocket science to figure out what the best pathway forward for him in the NBA would be.
Duke? NBA DL?
Quote from: jesmu84 on April 17, 2021, 11:34:03 AM
No one? So BigDaddy didn't have any inside knowledge?
Hard for him to be an insider these days.
And even Big Daddy would have told you, with true Meat Eating humility, that his insight was flawed even in the best of circumstances and was becoming less so as time went by.
#foggylens #partialpicture #notirritated
Quote from: jesmu84 on April 17, 2021, 11:34:03 AM
No one? So BigDaddy didn't have any inside knowledge?
I think there's been an odd time random people do have an inside source here or there but there's no single poster who's a fly on the wall in the Al. Even if there was a person with insight this community generally $hits on inside knowledge till it's verified so theres not much incentive to share.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 17, 2021, 11:55:55 AM
I think there's been an odd time random people do have an inside source here or there but there's no single poster who's a fly on the wall in the Al. Even if there was a person with insight this community generally $hits on inside knowledge till it's verified so theres not much incentive to share.
Agreed.
But that's not what he said.
Quote from: keefe on April 17, 2021, 10:08:28 AM
Fact is no one on Scoop has any actual insight.
I think you vastly underestimate brewcity77.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on April 17, 2021, 10:48:43 AM
As an underclassman, unless you are guaranteed to go in the top-40, there is so much risk in leaving early (unless you are in poor academic standing and/or have zero interest in going to class). In the NBA, many 2nd round picks go to foreign projects that have little chance of making the NBA, and teams rather not spend money on guaranteed roster spots. In addition, if you do leave early, you want as much opportunity to go to an organization that will help you develop (in order to get paid more down the road). Go to the wrong team as an UDFA, and you have little room to excel beyond that.
The fact Dawson is not even being listed in many mock drafts as even a 2nd Rounder gives little optimism that he'd find a strong opportunity this Summer. Overseas opportunities have their own issues due to COVID.
The biggest concern regarding Dawson would have been him going into the transfer portal, which he hasn't. With so many programs quickly filling spots, and Minnesota (with McNeilly) acquiring A&M talent (likely), the odds grow by the day he returns next year (especially with a staff as proven with bigs as Shaka and Co.).
No one has inside knowledge, but it isn't rocket science to figure out what the best pathway forward for him in the NBA would be.
This is round 1 of musical chairs. Round 2 comes when players start withdrawing from the draft.
My guess is the experienced players will make up the starters and rotation players early in the season. Our league is too tough to do otherwise.
As this group of freshman gain experience in practice, gain strength and learn the speed of the game at the D1 level they will start to work their way in to the rotation.
Herm is right. The rotation in November and early on will come from DJ, Garcia, Lewis, Oso, with the three transfers. We'll see some freshmen working in as the season progresses and perhaps two redshirts. The good news, Marquette will have enough depth so the team won't run out of gas in February and March.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on April 17, 2021, 08:17:27 AM
I haven't seen Elliot in any of the recent vids or photos. Maybe my super sleuthing is bad, but that seems like a tell?
I've also noticed this.
MU's IG account has pictures and videos from a team outing to a go cart place. Greg's story on his personal IG account is also at the same go cart place.
Quote from: Herman Cain on April 17, 2021, 04:29:07 PM
My guess is the experienced players will make up the starters and rotation players early in the season. Our league is too tough to do otherwise.
As this group of freshman gain experience in practice, gain strength and learn the speed of the game at the D1 level they will start to work their way in to the rotation.
If that happens it's either really bad or really great news. Usually it happens the opposite way, big rotation during the non-con season and tightened rotations during conference season with reliable vets.
After watching several clips of O-Max, hard for me he doesn't start. Lead-pipe cinch to start if Garcia doesn't come back; maybe doesn't start but often plays starter minutes if Garcia does come back.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 17, 2021, 11:55:55 AM
I think there's been an odd time random people do have an inside source here or there but there's no single poster who's a fly on the wall in the Al. Even if there was a person with insight this community generally $hits on inside knowledge till it's verified so theres not much incentive to share.
Agree too. Also was told some inside info or intel on Monday and for the First time was told not to post it on Scoop. At least until after some time or until the statute of limitations runs out again.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 16, 2021, 10:00:58 AM
Ben Steele said
Carton
Kolek
Joplin
Lewis
Garcia
I will go with that, but I wouldn't be surprised Kolek and Joplin's spots rotate alot
With the roster currently constructed as it is although Garcia is in the NBA Draft Portal I will go with what Ben Steele said too.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on April 16, 2021, 09:49:12 AM
Kam is in my starting lineup for best dressed. Channeling some of that 1977 team photo swagger.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EzGhaFOXAAEQcP6?format=jpg&name=900x900)
+1
I would not be surprised if out of this group somebody surprises the scoopers and might become a significant player, or starter, ie. Ellis, Akanno, Mitchell or Jones. Practice should be interesting this summer and fall.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 20, 2021, 12:33:58 PM
I would not be surprised if out of this group somebody surprises the scoopers and might become a significant player, or starter, ie. Ellis, Akanno, Mitchell or Jones. Practice should be interesting this summer and fall.
The really nice thing about all 13 scholarships being used and there being so much redundancy at a couple of positions is that whoever does emerge as the starter will have earned it.
When do kids have take themselves out of consideration for the draft? It makes sense that when that happens any other piece that will fall in place will....
Quote from: manny31 on April 20, 2021, 12:54:32 PM
When do kids have take themselves out of consideration for the draft? It makes sense that when that happens any other piece that will fall in place will....
Don't have to till July this year.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 20, 2021, 12:33:58 PM
I would not be surprised if out of this group somebody surprises the scoopers and might become a significant player, or starter, ie. Ellis, Akanno, Mitchell or Jones. Practice should be interesting this summer and fall.
I fully expect Mitchell to be a player. Kam as well. Don't know enough about Ellis to comment. If Dex becomes a significant player...I will absolutely be surprised.
Not really a starting lineup thing, but nice to see the incoming recruits amped about each other. Joplin's story has a shoutout to Stevie being in ESPN top 100 and also a good convo with Kam. Shaka is preaching relationships-seems like that is trickling down into how the players are interacting with each other too.
Really excited to see what this group can do together.
I bit hard on the Dex highlights vids last year and will double down and say he contributes this year. Also predicting contributions from Oso. Maybe just wishful thinking.
Quote from: ducs on April 21, 2021, 08:23:37 PM
I bit hard on the Dex highlights vids last year and will double down and say he contributes this year. Also predicting contributions from Oso. Maybe just wishful thinking.
I agree on Oso for sure. He looks ready and fits this system well
Quote from: JakeBarnes on April 21, 2021, 08:48:52 PM
I agree on Oso for sure. He looks ready and fits this system well
I think that might indeed be in the wishful thinking school. I see him as the 4th or 5th forward at this point. If he develops and contributes significantly, I will enjoy being wrong.
Given that every starting lineup listed in this thread had DJ in it -- for obvious reasons -- I guess some recalibratin' is in order.
I was gonna say "might want to wait until we know all who's on our team" ... but what fun is that?