Young, but the pieces are there. Assuming Garcia returns and nobody leaves..
5 guys 6'7 or taller.
7 guards 6'2 to 6'5
Rotate them quickly and get after them. The question is how quickly all the youth can learn and adapt.
Quote from: tower912 on April 14, 2021, 09:49:30 AM
Young, but the pieces are there. Assuming Garcia returns and nobody leaves..
5 guys 6'7 or taller.
7 guards 6'2 to 6'5
Rotate them quickly and get after them. The question is how quickly all the youth can learn and adapt.
Shaka has said that the change in rules prevents Havoc from coming back. What we will have are more players with athleticism than we have had in the past. Hopefully that leads to wins.
Still need a center tho right? Is one scholllie left if Garcia returns?
Havoc like he ran it at VCU, sure. Pressure like SJU or Florida State runs is still doable, particularly with a long, deep team.
This program will look a a lot like FSU on the court, IMO. Shaka is signing guys that can be aggressive on the entire court and going to bring exciting basketball to MU.
As constructed, this team has to play fast. They don't have the physicality yet.
Quote from: Goose on April 14, 2021, 10:03:35 AM
This program will look a a lot like FSU on the court, IMO. Shaka is signing guys that can be aggressive on the entire court and going to bring exciting basketball to MU.
I think I put it somewhere else re: the height of this team, but my thoughts exactly.
The most interesting question to ask now, who plays and who seats. First, starting 5 no idea. Assume Dawson if he comesback, Lewis, Carton givens, the other
2 spots are up to grab. Ellis or Mitchell have a chance at the point, at the small forward I can see Joplin or Elliott at that spot. But you can have a different lineups everyday until they are on campus.
We will see how Shaka coaches these kids up hopefully. Lots of moving parts. Any thoughts?
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 14, 2021, 10:59:00 AM
The most interesting question to ask now, who plays and who seats. First, starting 5 no idea. Assume Dawson if he comesback, Lewis, Carton givens, the other
2 spots are up to grab. Ellis or Mitchell have a chance at the point, at the small forward I can see Joplin or Elliott at that spot. But you can have a different lineups everyday until they are on campus.
We will see how Shaka coaches these kids up hopefully. Lots of moving parts. Any thoughts?
Don't sleep on senior leadership. I'd pencil Greg in for a starting role.
Way too early. Assuming Garcia comes back, the only two I am comfortable projecting as starters are Garcia and Carton.
Quote from: tower912 on April 14, 2021, 11:08:21 AM
Way too early. Assuming Garcia comes back, the only two I am comfortable projecting as starters are Garcia and Carton.
Who's jumping center? ;)
Quote from: tower912 on April 14, 2021, 09:54:22 AM
Havoc like he ran it at VCU, sure. Pressure like SJU or Florida State runs is still doable, particularly with a long, deep team.
This - it will be the modern day version of havoc where we are pressuring in the half court and making the offense uncomfortable with switches happening all over and long/athletic players flying all over getting deflections. Rebounding will be the concern but love having the defensive identity starting to take shape right in front of our eyes.
If he is around, I think he gets it. Who jumped when Theo missed the game late in the season? Garcia or Lewis? I honestly can't remember.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on April 14, 2021, 11:09:55 AM
Who's jumping center? ;)
Start Itejere and sub him out the first stoppage so Garcia can come in
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 14, 2021, 10:59:00 AM
The most interesting question to ask now, who plays and who seats. First, starting 5 no idea. Assume Dawson if he comesback, Lewis, Carton givens, the other
2 spots are up to grab. Ellis or Mitchell have a chance at the point, at the small forward I can see Joplin or Elliott at that spot. But you can have a different lineups everyday until they are on campus.
We will see how Shaka coaches these kids up hopefully. Lots of moving parts. Any thoughts?
Yes, when you're very young at the guard position it's going to be an up and down season. .500 overall record would be the over/under in my estimation. 17+ wins in a 30 game season and improved play in March would be a decent success in my book. Also need to know what the Big East will look like. Villanova will be elite, but how do the other programs shape up? MU will go as far as its Freshmen guards can take them.
Quote from: NWarsh on April 14, 2021, 11:37:02 AM
Start Itejere and sub him out the first stoppage so Garcia can come in
Rod Grosse strategy
Quote from: Goose on April 14, 2021, 10:03:35 AM
This program will look a a lot like FSU on the court, IMO. Shaka is signing guys that can be aggressive on the entire court and going to bring exciting basketball to MU.
FSU my ass.
The hallmark of Al's teams was tenacious, smothering D. Every game we got multiple 5 second calls on inbounds and 10 second calls getting to half court.
Before the slam dunk it was a 5 second call that got the Arena rocking.
I am looking forward to Shaka's teams delivering the same high intensity defense that allowed Al's teams to control the tempo and tenor of a game.
keefe
No doubt 5-7 minutes a game that full court press rocked the joint. The five second and ten second violations were the signature of Al's D. I suspect we will be seeing similar in the upcoming seasons.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on April 14, 2021, 11:09:55 AM
Who's jumping center? ;)
Oso. Dude got JACKED this offseason it looks like.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ey8pY_hW8AoIm_5?format=jpg&name=4096x4096)
Quote from: keefe on April 14, 2021, 11:45:42 AM
FSU my ass.
The hallmark of Al's teams was tenacious, smothering D. Every game we got multiple 5 second calls on inbounds and 10 second calls getting to half court.
Before the slam dunk it was a 5 second call that got the Arena rocking.
I am looking forward to Shaka's teams delivering the same high intensity defense that allowed Al's teams to control the tempo and tenor of a game.
The game has changed too much in the last 45 years for anything like this to work.
Not even Shaka's VCU defense can be run anymore.
Quote from: MikeDeanesDarkGlasses on April 14, 2021, 01:48:43 PM
Not even Shaka's VCU defense can be run anymore.
Yup. He may incorporate pressure defense and some full court press from time-to-time but you won't see havoc as it was in 2011. I'm still anticipating it being far better and more productive than the previous regime, however
Is havoc viable after the freedom of movement changes?
Quote from: #UnleashRowsey on April 14, 2021, 02:26:52 PM
Is havoc viable after the freedom of movement changes?
I made a point awhile ago that I didn't think it was. A bunch of people said I was wrong but then Shaka said that it was not.
I haven't seen anybody saying he's wrong. So I think that it's not viable in its original form.
HAVOC as it was run in 2011 isn't viable. SJU, FSU, Pitino all run pressure. I used Havoc as a shorthand for pressure, both full court and in the half court.
This may be my 2008-2012 hard on... but was basketball just better overall then?
Quote from: #UnleashRowsey on April 14, 2021, 04:31:38 PM
This may be my 2008-2012 hard on... but was basketball just better overall then?
Yes. It's been getting progressively worse but I put all of that on coaching. Player development has taken a back seat to job security at the highest levels.
Quote from: #UnleashRowsey on April 14, 2021, 04:31:38 PM
This may be my 2008-2012 hard on... but was basketball just better overall then?
For MU, VCU, and a few others yes.
The reason the NCAA enacted Freedom of Movement was to increase the flow of the game to make it more exciting. At the time, if I remember correctly, shooting percentages were going down across the NCAA. NCAA didn't want a plethora of games where both teams shot below 40% aka Elite 8 game with Syracuse/MU. It's not much different than how NBA is now as well. Is it better now? I'm not sure. College basketball has changed a lot in last 10 years and will continue to do so with paying players, transfer portal, and other options becoming available. It's going to have a lot of challenges but overall, I think MU actually has a chance to win a National Championship now as the playing field has been leveled somewhat with the Blue Bloods not being stocked with talent like they used to be.