Sure looks like Shaka has one recruiting win under his belt.
https://twitter.com/DJCarton/status/1376672717215309825 (https://twitter.com/DJCarton/status/1376672717215309825)
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?action=search
Have a strong feeling we won't be seeing any type of mass exodus that had been incessantly prophesied prior to the firing of he-who-shall-not-be-named.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 29, 2021, 06:35:05 PM
Have a strong feeling we won't be seeing any type of mass exodus that had been incessantly prophesied prior to the firing of he-who-shall-not-be-named.
Had to make the right hire ... and we apparently did.
I'm happy about that, are you? You always seem to be angry.
Quote from: MU82 on March 29, 2021, 06:36:50 PM
Had to make the right hire ... and we apparently did.
I'm happy about that, are you? You always seem to be angry.
I'm absolutely happy. Is there anything that would indicate I'm not? Truth be told I preferred Moser, but I don't think this was a "bad" move. I'm on the bandwagon.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 29, 2021, 06:35:05 PM
Have a strong feeling we won't be seeing any type of mass exodus that had been incessantly prophesied prior to the firing of he-who-shall-not-be-named.
That was one of oft repeated excuses used by the Wojo slurpers.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 29, 2021, 06:35:05 PM
Have a strong feeling we won't be seeing any type of mass exodus that had been incessantly prophesied prior to the firing of he-who-shall-not-be-named.
Yep. Contrary to Dodds who was preaching doom and gloom if Wojo got let go.
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 29, 2021, 07:08:26 PM
Yep. Contrary to Dodds who was preaching doom and gloom if Wojo got let go.
Yah, BUT? What if it was Moser, far different outcome?
I wouldn't be surprised if guys who will stay and play for Shaka would've left if Wojo returned
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 29, 2021, 07:08:26 PM
Yep. Contrary to Dodds who was preaching doom and gloom if Wojo got let go.
It always depended on who they hired. Shaka Smart carries a lot of credibility still with a lot of these kids, more so than a Dennis Gates of Porter Moser would have. A lot of things had to happen to get Shaka Smart to Milwaukee and they did! Of all the options, he was probably the one that was going to do the best at retention and/or rebuilding on the fly. Moser would have been a definite reset. Not sure who a Gates or other mid-major would have fared in retention but my hunch was is, not as well. Honestly, even if it's just DJ of the "big 3", that will be a win
I've seen on several threads how important and significant it would be if Shaka keeps the guys we have.
We were what? 10th place in a weak Big East.
Other than J Lew, DJ and Dawson WTH cares? Sy? You want to retain Sy's services?
Greg is nice.....meh. Shaka's steam will never be higher. Time to get your boys and your staff. Bigger fish.
5J has hopes Cain/Theo/Koby return.
Not happening...nor should it.
This is a new regime people. Jake Presutti? Thanks for coming.
Onward and upward people.
Quote from: We R Final Four on March 29, 2021, 07:14:22 PM
I've seen on several threads how important and significant it would be if Shaka keeps the guys we have.
We were what? 10th place in a weak Big East.
Other than J Lew, DJ and Dawson WTH cares? Sy? You want to retain Sy's services?
Greg is nice.....meh. Shaka's steam will never be higher. Time to get your boys and your staff. Bigger fish.
5J has hopes Cain/Theo/Koby return.
Not happening...nor should it.
This is a new regime people. Jake Presutti? Thanks for coming.
Onward and upward people.
Those are the three everyone is referring to
Quote from: We R Final Four on March 29, 2021, 07:14:22 PM
I've seen on several threads how important and significant it would be if Shaka keeps the guys we have.
We were what? 10th place in a weak Big East.
Other than J Lew, DJ and Dawson WTH cares? Sy? You want to retain Sy's services?
Greg is nice.....meh. Shaka's steam will never be higher. Time to get your boys and your staff. Bigger fish.
5J has hopes Cain/Theo/Koby return.
Not happening...nor should it.
This is a new regime people. Jake Presutti? Thanks for coming.
Onward and upward people.
You're underrating how responsible poor coaching was for our results last year. Just wait and see.
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 29, 2021, 07:15:35 PM
Those are the three everyone is referring to
Jonas Aidoo and Stevie Mitchell, too. I suppose Mitchell is interchangeable with another potential frosh pg, though. Aidoo is the potential prize of that class
Edit: Jonas Aidoo just decommited
We continue to see the credibility Shaka has with stakeholders most involved in the game...coaches, players, etc...
Again, nothing against Wojo, but his name isn't being mentioned for much...
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Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 29, 2021, 06:39:02 PM
I'm absolutely happy. Is there anything that would indicate I'm not? Truth be told I preferred Moser, but I don't think this was a "bad" move. I'm on the bandwagon.
I think we need to make it through the spring before we say there is no concern with transfers.
And with that the first shoe dropped...
https://twitter.com/J0nasAid00/status/1376689558822260739?s=19
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 29, 2021, 07:18:10 PM
Jonas Aidoo and Stevie Mitchell, too. I suppose Mitchell is interchangeable with another potential frosh pg, though. Aidoo is the potential prize of that class
Edit: Jonas Aidoo just decommited
Yeah I meant guys on the roster. Too bad Aidoo reopened.
The door swings both ways, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 29, 2021, 07:27:23 PM
The door swings both ways, hey?
Yup. It was always going to probably be a vastly different squad next year
I dont understand why people thought this exodus was going to occur. When buzz took over from Crean the roster was basically the same. Same with when Buzz left.
Quote from: MU24 on March 29, 2021, 07:40:14 PM
I dont understand why people thought this exodus was going to occur. When buzz took over from Crean the roster was basically the same. Same with when Buzz left.
Because you can transfer without sitting out this year. Fairly major difference.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 29, 2021, 07:41:26 PM
Because you can transfer without sitting out this year. Fairly major difference.
Yep. Most of the concerns were about Moser and his pace of play and what the current roster would think of that.
This hire was always the most likely to retain players and have relatively high expectations immediately.
Moser would've been a complete roster overhaul and longer term project. No idea which would be the most successful in the long run, but this certainly feels like a good start.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 29, 2021, 07:41:26 PM
Because you can transfer without sitting out this year. Fairly major difference.
Isn't that for only seniors?
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 29, 2021, 07:15:35 PM
Those are the three everyone is referring to
Nope. Not everyone, and not even close.
Others are discussing Sy....Greg.....Cain......Theo..and Koby.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 29, 2021, 07:16:20 PM
You're underrating how responsible poor coaching was for our results last year. Just wait and see.
You think Perez, Dez, Sy will improve under a different coach? This coach?
I sure as hell hope we aren't going to find the answer to that experiment.
It helps that the players can't follow Wojo to his next program.
At least, not yet...
Hoo'd want ta udder dan Howard, hey?
Quote from: We R Final Four on March 29, 2021, 08:00:06 PM
You think Perez, Dez, Sy will improve under a different coach? This coach?
I sure as hell hope we aren't going to find the answer to that experiment.
I think every player on the team will improve significantly and the team will improve as a whole simply by virtue of having a cohesive gameplan.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 29, 2021, 08:09:09 PM
I think every player on the team will improve significantly and the team will improve as a whole simply by virtue of having a cohesive gameplan.
Again...I sure hope with the new regime we are past the Perez and Sy of the world. My desire...and I believe Shaka's is that the Jake Presutti, Sy, Perez, Dex are somewhere else to improve.
5 dollar—you really hated Wojo so much that you think that all of these players ....that Wojo recruited....can be high level Big East players...if they only had a different coach.
Quote from: MU24 on March 29, 2021, 07:40:14 PM
I dont understand why people thought this exodus was going to occur. When buzz took over from Crean the roster was basically the same. Same with when Buzz left.
Buzz's first team was a senior laden team with a strong junior class. The team was hoping for big things. typically seniors don't transfer because it delays their pro-career nor when they expect big things. However, the recruiting class all decommitted except for Otule causing Buzz to go the Juco route. Buzz's biggest challenge was in year two when he had the midgets and the big three left.
A coaching change rarely ends with no impact.
When Buzz left he took the entire recruiting class less Sandy. Unlike what he inherited we didn't have near the talent in the upperclassman ranks. We were coming off a down year and lost the major offensive pieces from that team. Wilson was coming off a redshirt freshman season driven by injury. Deonte lasted two months into Wojo's tenure. Magic Dawson was out too. This left 2 fifths of the previous class.
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 29, 2021, 07:08:26 PM
Yep. Contrary to Dodds who was preaching doom and gloom if Wojo got let go.
Dodds is wrong most of the time, so what else is new?
Quote from: We R Final Four on March 29, 2021, 08:23:27 PM
5 dollar—you really hated Wojo so much that you think that all of these players ....that Wojo recruited....can be high level Big East players...if they only had a different coach.
Yes. I don't believe I can overstate this - Wojo was the worst in-game / development / gameplan / motivational basketball coach I have ever seen.
Quote from: warriorchick on March 29, 2021, 08:02:12 PM
It helps that the players can't follow Wojo to his next program.
At least, not yet...
Not overly worried there. I actually think Shaka might keep this team better than Wojo would have.
warriorchick
Are you kidding on the players following Wojo? You and glow have been gone for awhile and I need to refresh my memory when folks are kidding or serious.
Quote from: We R Final Four on March 29, 2021, 07:56:55 PM
Nope. Not everyone, and not even close.
Others are discussing Sy....Greg.....Cain......Theo..and Koby.
People pining for Sy? Koby? If they have I haven't seen them
5Dollar
There was not much high level D1 talent on the roster. Time to look forward, find new favorite players and enjoy the upgrade. Change is good.
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 29, 2021, 09:30:03 PM
People pining for Sy? Koby? If they have I haven't seen them
Check out other threads...yes they are.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 29, 2021, 06:35:05 PM
Have a strong feeling we won%u2019t be seeing any type of mass exodus that had been incessantly prophesied prior to the firing of he-who-shall-not-be-named.
Aren't you the same guy who said "There's no way all three of Carton, Lewis and Garcia are back next year"?
Quote from: Jables1604 on March 29, 2021, 09:38:54 PM
Aren't you the same guy who said "There's no way all three of Carton, Lewis and Garcia are back next year"?
That was when the assumption was we were keeping Wojo. If Wojo stayed, my money would've been on Carton transferring again or going pro a la Bailey.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 29, 2021, 09:41:16 PM
That was when the assumption was we were keeping Wojo. If Wojo stayed, my money would've been on Carton transferring again or going pro a la Bailey.
So now you have a strong feeling that there won't be a mass exodus that you yourself incessantly prophesied prior to the firing of our last head coach?
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 29, 2021, 08:32:05 PM
Yes. I don't believe I can overstate this - Wojo was the worst in-game / development / gameplan / motivational basketball coach I have ever seen.
Ok—fine. That doesn't mean Perez will be a legit D1 player because he is under the guidance of a different coach.
Wojo leaving doesn't mean these players just got better.
Quote from: warriorchick on March 29, 2021, 08:02:12 PM
It helps that the players wouldn't can't follow Wojo to his next program.
At least, not yet...
There, that better Goose?
Quote from: Jables1604 on March 29, 2021, 09:45:50 PM
So now you have a strong feeling that there won't be a mass exodus that you yourself incessantly prophesied prior to the firing of our last head coach?
What I was referring to was the morons that preached a mass exodus
if we fired Wojo. I thought there was a better chance of us losing players like Carton or Garcia by KEEPING Wojo. These two thoughts are compatible. No surprise you're having trouble processing them, though. You've not been very apt with your words historically.
Quote from: We R Final Four on March 29, 2021, 09:46:59 PM
Ok—fine. That doesn't mean Perez will be a legit D1 player because he is under the guidance of a different coach.
Wojo leaving doesn't mean these players just got better.
Wojo had a knack for using almost every player on the roster incorrectly / inconsistently. Let's just see what happens next year. I'm not guaranteeing Perez turns into an All conference next year, but dramatic improvements from everyone would not be surprising.
I think Carton will benefit most, for the record. If he stays - I predict he makes an All Big East team.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 29, 2021, 09:49:14 PM
You've not been very apt with your words historically.
Go back and read what posted. If you don't understand the irony of you making the above statement then there is no help for you.
With the way you pivot and shift the goal posts you should run for office.
Quote from: Goose on March 29, 2021, 09:32:28 PM
5Dollar
There was not much high level D1 talent on the roster. Time to look forward, find new favorite players and enjoy the upgrade. Change is good.
Didn't"t Shaka just elude to the high level talent at the presser.
Quote from: Jables1604 on March 29, 2021, 09:56:02 PM
Go back and read what posted. If you don't understand the irony of you making the above statement then there is no help for you.
With the way you pivot and shift the goal posts you should run for office.
I read it, explained why you made no sense, and moved the conversation along.
Go ahead and do your famous "Bitcher" line, Jables. We're all waiting for it - it's a real knee slapper!
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/37nwLhIA1zs/maxresdefault.jpg)
Quote from: Goose on March 29, 2021, 09:24:28 PM
warriorchick
Are you kidding on the players following Wojo? You and glow have been gone for awhile and I need to refresh my memory when folks are kidding or serious.
Maybe you misunderstood what I was trying to say. When Buzz left, he took almost all of his new recruits to his new job. Wojo doesn't have a new job. Therefore, as of this moment, following Wojo to his new school is not an option.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 29, 2021, 09:52:05 PM
Wojo had a knack for using almost every player on the roster incorrectly / inconsistently. Let's just see what happens next year. I'm not guaranteeing Perez turns into an All conference next year, but dramatic improvements from everyone would not be surprising.
I think Carton will benefit most, for the record. If he stays - I predict he makes an All Big East team.
My guess is other than the big 3, other players very well not be playing here.
So we may never know your theory of improving by not being around Wojo.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 29, 2021, 09:59:12 PM
Go ahead and do your famous "Bitcher" line, Jables. We're all waiting for it - it's a real knee slapper!
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/37nwLhIA1zs/maxresdefault.jpg)
There's a reason why it caught on.
Quote from: warriorchick on March 29, 2021, 10:02:00 PM
Maybe you misunderstood what I was trying to say. When Buzz left, he took almost all of his new recruits to his new job. Wojo doesn't have a new job. Therefore, as of this moment, following Wojo to his new school is not an option.
Well, there's a new assistant position open for Duke...
Carton was the one player I really wanted back next year, with Garcia being number two, obviously. If Carton can clean up his turnovers and ball handling (a *big* if) he could explode next year. If he can figure out how to be the guy who slams monstrous dunks down for 35 minutes a game instead of only doing that for a few minutes out of nowhere, he could be one of the most dynamic guards in the country. We'll see.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 30, 2021, 12:23:36 AM
Carton was the one player I really wanted back next year, with Garcia being number two, obviously. If Carton can clean up his turnovers and ball handling (a *big* if) he could explode next year. If he can figure out how to be the guy who slams monstrous dunks down for 35 minutes a game instead of only doing that for a few minutes out of nowhere, he could be one of the most dynamic guards in the country. We'll see.
Its gonna help not having an offense where he has to dribble the ball for 80% of possessions.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 30, 2021, 12:40:44 AM
Its gonna help not having an offense where he has to dribble the ball for 80% of possessions.
If I never again see another 3-man weave/handoff 35 ft from the basket with 10 seconds on the shot ....