I mean, he can't stay in Austin...
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 20, 2021, 11:23:51 PM
I mean, he can't stay in Austin...
Doesn't mean he has to come to Milwaukee.
I don't even think I want him
Quote from: Pakuni on March 20, 2021, 11:24:46 PM
Doesn't mean he has to come to Milwaukee.
Still better than Wojo.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 20, 2021, 11:24:46 PM
Doesn't mean he has to come to Milwaukee.
You don't have to go home but you can't stay here
What's he done? Nothing I can think of
Best development for Shaka to MU is them losing. You honestly think he comes to MU after winning a title?
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 20, 2021, 11:24:53 PM
I don't even think I want him
See. I was thinking about this.
Would you take Tony Bennett?
Lost to a 16 seed. Lost to a 13/14 seed today (too lazy to check).
Is Shaka blowing it today, what knocks him out of who you'd want?
he needs to bring back havoc. this nba style system he's trying to run at texas just isnt right for him.
For the first time I honestly could see this getting legs now
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 20, 2021, 11:24:53 PM
I don't even think I want him
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This dude has the same resume at Texas as Wojo did at MU. Neeeeeeeeext
Quote from: fjm on March 20, 2021, 11:27:15 PM
See. I was thinking about this.
Would you take Tony Bennett?
Lost to a 16 seed. Lost to a 13/14 seed today (too lazy to check).
Is Shaka blowing it today, what knocks him out of who you'd want?
Wouldn't want Bennett either, but that's more because I have no interest in watching his style of basketball.
Quote from: JTJ3 on March 20, 2021, 11:28:20 PM
he needs to bring back havoc. this nba style system he's trying to run at texas just isnt right for him.
He's had a top-40 defense every year at Texas.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 20, 2021, 11:29:41 PM
Wouldn't want Bennett either, but that's more because I have no interest in watching his style of basketball.
Who do you want then?
Don't replace one loser with another, Mr. Scholl.
Wojo at MU: 128-95 (.574 winning percentage) 2 first round NCAA losses.
Shaka at Texas: 109-85 (.562 winning percentage) 3 first round NCAA losses.
Both below .500 in league play.
We fired one for that performance.
I guess the big difference, is Shaka has instant name recognition. If he went back to his style, he'd also have instant 'style' recognition.
I'd take Shaka in a heart beat.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 20, 2021, 11:30:33 PM
Who do you want then?
Porter Moser
Dennis Gates
Craig Smith
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 20, 2021, 11:29:41 PM
Wouldn't want Bennett either, but that's more because I have no interest in watching his style of basketball.
Fair enough. 🤷🏻♂️ Agreed UVA is boring style.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 20, 2021, 11:30:19 PM
He's had a top-40 defense every year at Texas.
This is part of why I want him. He at least has a system.
Still believe he is better than most candidates in a pretty lackluster pool
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on March 20, 2021, 11:31:55 PM
Porter Moser
Dennis Gates
Craig Smith
Add Kelsey and that's a good list
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 20, 2021, 11:30:33 PM
Who do you want then?
Realistically? Beilein first then Gates or Moser on the next tier down.
You guys that wouldn't take Shaka are insane. My god.
Quote from: fjm on March 20, 2021, 11:27:15 PM
See. I was thinking about this.
Would you take Tony Bennett?
Lost to a 16 seed. Lost to a 13/14 seed today (too lazy to check).
Is Shaka blowing it today, what knocks him out of who you'd want?
Bennet won a NCAA Championship, Shaka won an NIT
We fired a guy who had 0 NCAA wins in seven seasons at MU so that we could hire a guy who has 0 NCAA wins in six seasons at Texas?
No thanks. You can't even use the "MU has more resources" argument, folks.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on March 20, 2021, 11:32:48 PM
You guys that wouldn't take Shaka are insane. My god.
I'd be OK with it, but I wouldn't be over the moon either. Fact is, he's been nothing but underwhelming at Texas.
Quote from: Warrior2008 on March 20, 2021, 11:31:24 PM
I'd take Shaka in a heart beat.
I think it'd be a home run for MU, but respect other's opinions. I don't think he would view MU as a stepping stone after failing at a P6. My top choice is Belein though (probably unrealistic).
Quote from: Doo on March 20, 2021, 11:33:02 PM
Bennet won a NCAA Championship, Shaka won an NIT
And Bennett also only ever coach to lose to a 16 seed.
Also lost today early in the tourney.
I mean I get why people feel this way about Shaka. But until 7:30pm CST people wanted Shaka. (This loss is damning. No doubt!)
The people here begging for this absolute bum to come to MU. My god, have some self respect
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 20, 2021, 11:32:47 PM
Realistically? Beilein first then Gates or Moser on the next tier down.
Ah, ok same. I'd put Shaka ahead of Gates and Moser but fair enough.
Texas and the Big 12 wasn't the right fit for Shaka but I still think he would be a slam dunk hire for Marquette. He's got loads of experience as a Head Coach and a change is exactly he needs to get the train back on the tracks.
Havoc type defenses work wonders in the big east look at what St. John's did under Mike Anderson with minimal talent.
The longer this discussion goes, and the various rationals for iffy coaches makes me less sure this Wojo move made sense.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 20, 2021, 11:34:11 PM
I'd be OK with it, but I wouldn't be over the moon either. Fact is, he's been nothing but underwhelming at Texas.
I mean Nate Oats isn't coming, I don't know who people expect, but if there's a candidate better than Shaka, I'd love to see people name him.
Now it'll be interesting to see if Shaka gets fired this week.
Quote from: Tha Hound on March 20, 2021, 11:35:28 PM
The people here begging for this absolute bum to come to MU. My god, have some self respect
When Texas was ranked high, and they won the Big12 tourney did you think he was an "absolute bum"? Or what was it you didn't like about him before tonight?
Again my friend has been in Shaka's Office and Beilein's office and FWIW said Beilein's office was way more organized. Not it means much but there is something to be said for that.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 20, 2021, 11:33:51 PM
We fired a guy who had 0 NCAA wins in seven seasons at MU so that we could hire a guy who has 0 NCAA wins in six seasons at Texas?
No thanks. You can't even use the "MU has more resources" argument, folks.
At this point there's a 0% chance the administration could back up hiring this guy. If you pay millions to buy out a mans contract only to spend millions more to lure his carbon copy you might as well be signing your resignation
Quote from: DegenerateDish on March 20, 2021, 11:38:15 PM
I mean Nate Oats isn't coming, I don't know who people expect, but if there's a candidate better than Shaka, I'd love to see people name him.
Now it'll be interesting to see if Shaka gets fired this week.
Oats has been my top pick for a bit. But Shaka would be 2.
Still has name recognition. Could still unleash havoc. Always a good defensive team. Lots to like. Maybe Texas boosters just messed with his happy.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 20, 2021, 11:39:09 PM
Again my friend has been in Shaka's Office and Beilein's office and FWIW said Beilein's office was way more organized. Not it means much but there is something to be said for that.
🤦🏻♂️
This board is hilarious. 12 hours ago it was "Shaka would never come to Marquette, you're crazy" to the ultimate recency bias of "I'd never want Shaka here".
You guys are something else, Jesus.
I was joking about Shaka watch 2.0 earlier today but here we are seven years later...It may be a real possibility.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on March 20, 2021, 11:41:24 PM
This board is hilarious. 12 hours ago it was "Shaka would never come to Marquette, you're crazy" to the ultimate recency bias of "I'd never want Shaka here".
You guys are something else, Jesus.
I know this might come as a shock to you, but you are reading and interaction with literally hundreds of people here. And I can confidently tell you the vast majority were not sold on Shaka 12 hours ago
Quote from: marquette20 on March 20, 2021, 11:36:50 PM
Texas and the Big 12 wasn't the right fit for Shaka but I still think he would be a slam dunk hire for Marquette. He's got loads of experience as a Head Coach and a change is exactly he needs to get the train back on the tracks.
Havoc type defenses work wonders in the big east look at what St. John's did under Mike Anderson with minimal talent.
He didn't implement Havoc at Texas. In fact, he just got his ass handed to him by Havoc. He went the Wojo route and tried to fit 5* square pegs into a round hole. Not interested.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on March 20, 2021, 11:38:15 PM
I mean Nate Oats isn't coming, I don't know who people expect, but if there's a candidate better than Shaka, I'd love to see people name him.
Now it'll be interesting to see if Shaka gets fired this week.
Gates, Smith, Moser. All have done as much as or more than Shaka has done at Texas, with far less resources.
Quote from: Tha Hound on March 20, 2021, 11:39:15 PM
At this point there's a 0% chance the administration could back up hiring this guy. If you pay millions to buy out a mans contract only to spend millions more to lure his carbon copy you might as well be signing your resignation
Preach
Quote from: DegenerateDish on March 20, 2021, 11:38:15 PM
I mean Nate Oats isn't coming, I don't know who people expect, but if there's a candidate better than Shaka, I'd love to see people name him.
Now it'll be interesting to see if Shaka gets fired this week.
Checking out the Texas board, they are calling for his head. He was on the chopping block at the end of last season, but the buyout was too big...and COVID year.
I think the situation there is much like at MU. Really too much animosity at this point to do anything else but fire him. The fact that it was an NCAA tournament birth may be the only thing that saves him. But the fans/boosters don't seem to care about a birth, they want wins.
Quote from: fjm on March 20, 2021, 11:41:19 PM
🤦🏻♂️
Not that he has been in many coaches offices. He just by chance was in those 2 offices.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on March 20, 2021, 11:41:24 PM
This board is hilarious. 12 hours ago it was "Shaka would never come to Marquette, you're crazy" to the ultimate recency bias of "I'd never want Shaka here".
You guys are something else, Jesus.
Please grace us and explain what the Philistines here are too dense to grasp.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on March 20, 2021, 11:41:24 PM
This board is hilarious. 12 hours ago it was "Shaka would never come to Marquette, you're crazy" to the ultimate recency bias of "I'd never want Shaka here".
You guys are something else, Jesus.
Many of us did not want Shaka then, and still don't want him now.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 20, 2021, 11:44:19 PM
Gates, Smith, Moser. All have done as much as or more than Shaka has done at Texas, with far less resources.
I'll continue to wait for a better name then.
Quote from: forgetful on March 20, 2021, 11:44:42 PM
Checking out the Texas board, they are calling for his head. He was on the chopping block at the end of last season, but the buyout was too big...and COVID year.
I think the situation there is much like at MU. Really too much animosity at this point to do anything else but fire him. The fact that it was an NCAA tournament birth may be the only thing that saves him. But the fans/boosters don't seem to care about a birth, they want wins.
If Texas boosters want him gone, he'll be gone. There is no shortage of money in that athletic department.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on March 20, 2021, 11:45:26 PM
I'll continue to wait for a better name then.
Condescending. They all have done as much as Shaka has done at Texas, with far fewer resources. Try to convince me otherwise, despite what the numbers show
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 20, 2021, 11:44:46 PM
Not that he has been in many coaches offices. He just by chance was in those 2 offices.
I saw the opposite when I was in their offices.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on March 20, 2021, 11:41:24 PM
This board is hilarious. 12 hours ago it was "Shaka would never come to Marquette, you're crazy" to the ultimate recency bias of "I'd never want Shaka here".
You guys are something else, Jesus.
Well, none of us dreamed he could possibly lose to a D2 team.
I admit there's emotion flowing right now. I also admit that if Marquette swallowed its pride and hired Shaka, I'd support him. I mean, for 6 years I supported the last coach who couldn't win an NCAA tournament game.
But all folks have talked about is how lame Wojo is cuz he can't win in the NCAA tournament. I didn't see Ja Morant on that Abilene Christian roster.
Hound said it best -- have some respect. In addition to being a loser, he totally stiffed us once.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 20, 2021, 11:44:53 PM
Please grace us and explain what the Philistines here are too dense to grasp.
I already did pal.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on March 20, 2021, 11:45:26 PM
I'll continue to wait for a better name then.
Better than Shaka?
Does such a name exist?
Quote from: DegenerateDish on March 20, 2021, 11:45:26 PM
I'll continue to wait for a better name then.
Which I'm not sure exists.
SHAKA 7-8 in NCAA tournament games overall
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 20, 2021, 11:47:04 PM
Condescending POS. They all have done as much as Shaka has done at Texas, with far fewer resources. Try to convince me otherwise, despite what the numbers show
I think this is the first time I ever reported someone to the mods, congrats.
Doubt it will be Shaka but if he comes I bet David Joplin follows him.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 20, 2021, 11:48:06 PM
Better than Shaka?
Does such a name exist?
Please enlighten us.
Quote from: Doo on March 20, 2021, 11:33:02 PM
Bennet won a NCAA Championship, Shaka won an NIT
He also took VCU to a Final Four.
UT had 23 turnovers tonight.
Shaka would fit in perfectly here.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on March 20, 2021, 11:50:15 PM
I think this is the first time I ever reported someone to the mods, congrats.
Dawg. You reported him for that?
Haha sheesh. Is this a thin skinned Wojo account?
I would take him. Think he would do well again at a basketball only school. Dynamic guy that can recruit like hell, has had some success but also has been humbled. Sign me up.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 20, 2021, 11:49:37 PM
Where, buddy?
Who's better than Shaka that would realistically come to Marquette? You're great at questions, let's hear some answers.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on March 20, 2021, 11:50:15 PM
I think this is the first time I ever reported someone to the mods, congrats.
You asked for better names and I gave you three. Instead of responding with substance, you simply acted like I never replied.
So instead of providing a response of some substance – any substance – you whine to the mods. 😭
Quote from: MU82 on March 20, 2021, 11:47:37 PM
Well, none of us dreamed he could possibly lose to a D2 team.
I admit there's emotion flowing right now. I also admit that if Marquette swallowed its pride and hired Shaka, I'd support him. I mean, for 6 years I supported the last coach who couldn't win an NCAA tournament game.
But all folks have talked about is how lame Wojo is cuz he can't win in the NCAA tournament. I didn't see Ja Morant on that Abilene Christian roster.
Hound said it best -- have some respect. In addition to being a loser, he totally stiffed us once.
That really is the exclamation point on the whole thing. We'd look like DePaul re-hiring Leitao. Blecccchhhh
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 20, 2021, 11:53:15 PM
You asked for better names and I gave you three. Instead of responding with substance, you simply acted like I never replied.
So instead of providing a response of some substance – any substance – you whine to the mods. 😭
I mean calling someone a condescending POS, is whining? Cool dude.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on March 20, 2021, 11:53:14 PM
Who's better than Shaka that would realistically come to Marquette? You're great at questions, let's hear some answers.
Gates, Smith, Moser.
But yeah; just keep ignoring them.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on March 20, 2021, 11:55:33 PM
I mean calling someone a condescending POS, is whining? Cool dude.
I did not whine to the mods. And when you asked a question, I gave you an answer. You refuse to do so.
Quote from: forgetful on March 20, 2021, 11:44:42 PM
The fact that it was an NCAA tournament birth may be the only thing that saves him. But the fans/boosters don't seem to care about a birth, they want wins.
Rick Barnes made the tournament a lot too. Shaka is probably toast.
Buzz to UT?
Shaka actually becomes a lot more attractive to MU if he gets canned. Wonder if Texas can lower the buyout.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on March 20, 2021, 11:53:14 PM
Who's better than Shaka that would realistically come to Marquette? You're great at questions, let's hear some answers.
Dude ... I'm not the one here belittling others for not drinking my favorite flavor of Kool Aid. That would be you.
I'm simply asking you to explain for those of us who lack your vast wisdom on the subject of Shaka. Why not educate us?
Oh, and Dish and Goooo - chill out.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 20, 2021, 11:57:35 PM
Shaka actually becomes a lot more attractive to MU if he gets canned. Wonder if Texas can lower the buyout.
Texas doesn't need to lower the buyout. They have money and donors for days.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 20, 2021, 11:55:45 PM
Gates, Smith, Moser.
But yeah; just keep ignoring them.
You might be having some trouble here...
I'm ignoring them for a reason.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 20, 2021, 11:58:28 PM
Texas doesn't need to lower the buyout. They have money and donors for days.
What he said. ☝🏼☝🏼☝🏼
Shaka will be available by private cellphone sometime around Noon on Monday.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 20, 2021, 11:57:35 PM
Shaka actually becomes a lot more attractive to MU if he gets canned. Wonder if Texas can lower the buyout.
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Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 20, 2021, 11:58:06 PM
Oh, and Dish and Goooo - chill out.
Cool.
But I would love for Dish to answer the question though about what Shaka has done at Texas to justify firing Wojo and hiring him.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on March 20, 2021, 11:59:13 PM
You might be having some trouble here...
I'm ignoring them for a reason.
Because you personally don't like them? or you're hearing they won't come here?
Quote from: fjm on March 21, 2021, 12:00:17 AM
What he said. ☝🏼☝🏼☝🏼
Shaka will be available by private cellphone sometime around Noon on Monday.
Heck, they might want to make a statement by firing him rather than letting him choose another job.
I would take Shaka. I think MU is a much better fit than Texas for him. I'd be interested to see his advanced stats, but having top 40 defenses is encouraging.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on March 20, 2021, 11:59:13 PM
You might be having some trouble here...
I'm ignoring them for a reason.
Yep - I know the reason.
Shaka has had a mountain of resources and nothing to show for it in six seasons at Texas. Zip, zero, zilch.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 20, 2021, 11:58:28 PM
Texas doesn't need to lower the buyout. They have money and donors for days.
They didn't fire him last year because of the buyout. Why spend $7M of donor dollars if someone like Marquette will take him and you can just agree to cancel the buyout? Benefits all parties. Shaka saves face, Texas saves money, MU gets their coach, done deal. ;D
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 20, 2021, 11:56:47 PM
Rick Barnes made the tournament a lot too. Shaka is probably toast.
I think Shaka is done at Texas, but I think it is less likely a firing, and more likely him taking an open position somewhere and Texas reducing the buyout to zero.
Looks like Shaka left, Texas doesn't pay the buyout. They just got rid of a football coach and footed a massive salary there, so they may be keen on options that don't involve a buyout.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 21, 2021, 12:02:47 AM
They didn't fire him last year because of the buyout. Why spend $7M of donor dollars if someone like Marquette will take him and you can just agree to cancel the buyout? Benefits all parties. Shaka saves face, Texas saves money, MU gets their coach, done deal. ;D
So you say it's a...#DoneDeal?
Sure would be interesting if it was a #DoneDeal
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 21, 2021, 12:02:35 AM
Heck, they might want to make a statement by firing him rather than letting him choose another job.
I would take Shaka. I think MU is a much better fit than Texas for him. I'd be interested to see his advanced stats, but having top 40 defenses is encouraging.
People are dissing Moser, who has the #1 defense this year, but are creaming themselves over top
40 defenses??
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on March 21, 2021, 12:06:54 AM
People are dissing Moser, who has the #1 defense this year, but are creaming themselves over top 40 defenses??
I've been a big Shaka fan but I have to say - watching Moser adjust after getting down big yesterday compared to watching Shaka's team get out worked badly by a team with far less size, athleticism and talent is worth something.
Shaka to Mu.
Rick to Mu.
Wojo isn't getting fired.
Stan to Mu.
One of Jamal/Theo/Koby will come back.
Wardle is the guy.
Connected people on scoop said there is no way Wojo is getting fired.
1.Claim you know something.
2. When wrong about a colossal event such that the HC will not even fired? Just backtrack and push blame on your sources. So funny.
Shaka's buyout at Texas likely not to be an issue in about a week.
He's won a Big 12 title, been to a Final Four, had some level of interest in MU last go around, recruited at a high level, and I believe needs a change of scenery. The behind the scenes stuff at Texas has reportedly been brutal. I'm not going to kill the guy for it. Yeah, he shouldn't have lost tonight, and lost on a buzzer beater to Northern Iowa. 0-2 is 0-2 now matter how it happened. He's as qualified and good a candidate as MU will find.
The best thing for Shaka and MU to get together was for Texas to lose tonight. If you thought there wasn't a chance in hell 12 hours ago MU could hire Shaka and right now think hiring Shaka would be terrible seems ludicrous.
I am telling you......For the long term success of the program.....
Porter Moser would be our best choice......
Chris Mack second......(the Louisville angst will have to go nuclear)
Shaka would be OK......But he has been Wojo over the past X years.......
Defense wins NCAA games most of the time.....
It is all about taking the opponent out of what they want to do......
And Moser has the #1 D in the country......
I think Shaka and Archie look like pretty similar candidates at this point.
Quote from: burger on March 21, 2021, 12:22:55 AM
I am telling you......For the long term success of the program.....
Porter Moser would be our best choice......
Chris Mack second......(the Louisville angst will have to go nuclear)
Shaka would be OK......But he has been Wojo over the past X years.......
Defense wins NCAA games most of the time.....
It is all about taking the opponent out of what they want to do......
And Moser has the #1 D in the country......
Dude, Chris Mack? Seriously?
Quote from: DegenerateDish on March 21, 2021, 12:13:53 AM
Shaka's buyout at Texas likely not to be an issue in about a week.
He's won a Big 12 title, been to a Final Four, had some level of interest in MU last go around, recruited at a high level, and I believe needs a change of scenery. The behind the scenes stuff at Texas has reportedly been brutal. I'm not going to kill the guy for it. Yeah, he shouldn't have lost tonight, and lost on a buzzer beater to Northern Iowa. 0-2 is 0-2 now matter how it happened. He's as qualified and good a candidate as MU will find.
The best thing for Shaka and MU to get together was for Texas to lose tonight. If you thought there wasn't a chance in hell 12 hours ago MU could hire Shaka and right now think hiring Shaka would be terrible seems ludicrous.
This is 100% spot on...
I would be thrilled with Shaka Smart. I see Shaka to MU as a win-win situation, Shaka would be able to go to a Basketball focused school and implement his high energy defensive system and Marquette would get what they need which is a defensive identity. Its hard to get 5* kids at a School like Texas to buy into a scrappy high intensity defensive system and underdog mentality. I think MU could be a good fit, access to better recruits than VCU, but hyper focused basketball environment with more of a feisty underdog mentality than TX. Shaka is the same guy who won big at VCU, he just needs a program where he can establish the kind of culture he thrives in.
Shaka obviously was much more successful at VCU than he has been at Texas.
Comparing the two places he's been a head coach, Marquette is more like VCU than Texas.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 20, 2021, 11:39:09 PM
Again my friend has been in Shaka's Office and Beilein's office and FWIW said Beilein's office was way more organized. Not it means much but there is something to be said for that.
So I read somewhere that you are a meme account trolling name-droppers. Listen everyone, I am NOT a name dropper. I really don't care about famous coaches, athletes, entertainers, or pretty much any famous people. I was just passing along a couple things I heard directly from my friend, who really did speak with Coach Pitino, who really did tell him that Marquette is great and that IONA would shorten the game against Alabama.
Sorry that I recommended taking the 16.5 and the Under.
You're Welcome 😇 💰 💵
Also bears mentioning that Shaka recruited and offered Garcia. Maybe Dawson hated him and that's why he didn't go to Texas, but Texas was the first school to offer and was on him earlier than most.
In a perfect world, we interview both Beilein and Shaka and string Shaka along for a week before finally hiring Beilein. Tell Shaka no done deal and he gets fired by Texas the following day. What goes around comes around.
(However, I would be happy w getting Shaka in all honesty)
The story of Shaka at Texas requires some context. Shaka walked into a much better roster than anything Wojo walked into, ranked #34 preseason by KenPom. But it was senior heavy. 4 of their top 6 guys were seniors (and 5 of their top 8). Add in his best player Isaiah Taylor mistakenly thinking he was going to be drafted and Shaka's second year started with zero starters from the previous year, a classic rebuilding year. In year one they lost a hearbreaker to 11 seeded Northern Iowa in the NCAAT.
Similar to Wojo's second year, Shaka's second year had highish expectations (preseason #45 in KenPom) due to a highly ranked recruiting class. Shaka ran out a starting of 4 underclassmen and a senior big man who started out of necessity. Results were not good but usually a roster with 5 underclassmen playing 26+ minutes a game means a promising future. Unfortunately some things both forseeable and unforseeable ended up undermining that.
First, star sophomore Tevin Mack had....off the court issues (he would end up committing to play for four different universities in four years) and had to leave the university. Next, former 5-star Jarrett Allen predictably went pro and ended up with a solid career in the NBA. But no one could have predicted that Andrew Jones, former 5-star and the guy who was supposed to be Shaka' best player in year 3 would be diagnosed with leukemia. He did play a few games in year 3 before the diagnosis but it clearly limited his play and eventually shut him down. So instead of a rebuilding year, Shaka ended up losing 3/4 of his top players (and 5 of his top 7). Allen was absolutely predictable. Mack...the coach is responsible for the players he recruits but hard to place that all on Shaka. Jones, Shaka bears no responsibility for.
Despite losing their star, the Longhorns ended year 3 about where they were supposed to. KenPom pegged them as the 37th best team preseason (prior to Jones' diagnosis) and they finished 38th. They earned a 7 seed but got a brutal matchup with Nevada who KenPom pegged as a couple point favorite in that match. Texas lost in OT. It should also be noted that Texas was missing starting guard Eric Davis for that game. Davis got caught up in the Christian Dawkins scandal (he committed to Rick Barnes but stayed when Shaka was hired).
Year 4 was a weird one. They were projected as the 16th best team in the country by KenPom. They finished 25th...but only made the NIT. Texas has the honor of being the third highest ranked KenPom team ever (since KenPom became a thing in 2002) to not make the NCAAT. The other two? 2002 South Carolina and 2018 Penn State (you know, the ones that beat us in the NIT). Their resume included wins over #7 UNC on a neutral court, #9 Purdue at home, #20 K-State on the road, #32 Oklahoma at home, #17 Kansas at home, #35 Baylor at home, and #15 Iowa State at home. That's a lot of quality wins. But the B12 was very strong that year and they picked up a lot of losses to very good teams (as well as two bad losses to #122 Radford and #132 Georgia). The NIT is never a good look for Texas, but at least they won it.
Year 5 was by far the most disappointing. He lost his two best players from the year before but they should have been an NCAA worthy team. Instead COVID saved Shaka from the boosters' wrath.
Year 6 ended with a thud but it's hard to call a B12 championship and a 3-seed a bad season, no matter who you are.
Those saying that Shaka is equal to Wojo are not making meaningful comparisons. Yes, Wojo has a better overall W/L record. The B12 is a much tougher league than the Big East. That's not debatable. Yes, both have zero tournament wins. But in six years, Shaka got them a 3, a 6, and a 7 seed. In seven years, Wojo got them a 5 and a 10 and did enough in the COVID year to earn somewhere between an 8-11. If the argument is Shaka can't win in March...first I'd say that's not a meaningful argument, second I'd point out that the dude has a Final Four. Clearly he can win in March, he hasn't at Texas.
I can also say with some experience that Austin has never embraced Shaka. Texas boosters are the worst kind of fans that you can imagine and they have not hid their disdain for a Black Midwesterner running their program very well. Don't believe me? Check out the recent Texas Tribune article that got ahold of a bunch of booster emails regarding the Eyes of Texas song. That's what people are willing to write down and sign their name to. The stuff they are willing to say behind closed doors is worse. What level of impact that may have had on Shaka's success...I don't know. But I don't think it's unreasonable to think that a change of scenery could yield better results.
I don't know that Shaka is my first choice. I really like Smith, I think he could be the next Beard. I am also very intrigued by Gates. But I think Shaka deserves to be on that list if he is serious. This morning I dismissed it as Shaka lobbying for a contract extension. Now I think he's in need of a reset. People have been praising Mike Anderson who got fired for not winning enough at Arkansas. I don't think it's unreasonable to think that Smart could do even better here.
I do find it more than slightly ironic that people here are praising Shaka's success and Final 4 run at VCU nearly a decade ago.
(A final four run I may add that ended to an 8 seed and needed a last second winner against 10th seeded Florida St.)
But completely discredit Moser's much more recent success.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 21, 2021, 01:58:05 AM
I do find it more than slightly ironic that people here are praising Shaka's success and Final 4 run at VCU nearly a decade ago.
(A final four run I may add that ended to an 8 seed and needed a last second winner against 10th seeded Florida St.)
But completely discredit Moser's much more recent success.
I think Moser's final four should absolutely be considered. I also think that the following year where he underperformed his KP expectations by 65 spots should also be considered. That's my issue with him. He either wildly overperforms expectations or wildly underperforms. I don't like inconsistency. He's on my list to interview....but he's towards the back.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 21, 2021, 01:58:05 AM
I do find it more than slightly ironic that people here are praising Shaka's success and Final 4 run at VCU nearly a decade ago.
(A final four run I may add that ended to an 8 seed and needed a last second winner against 10th seeded Florida St.)
But completely discredit Moser's much more recent success.
He also rolled out Top 25 teams 3 of the next 4 seasons after the FF before he left for Texas. As TAMU said, Moser has been a bit less consistent. Shaka has been disappointing at Texas, I'm not sure if he's the guy for Marquette, but he made a FF and kept it rolling at VCU. He didn't spike and then return to an NIT or CBI level
Shaka would be a big time hire for MU. I believe he would have great success if he ended here. Fingers crossed.
These Shaka/Wojo comparisons are ridiculous. Other than the lack of NCAA AT THEIR CURRENT STOP, there is no comparison (and that is troubling, but the fact the guy has a FF under his belt is somewhat reassuring). AND if he HAD had NCAA success at UT, there wouldn't be any remote possibility of us getting him.
Since Shaka bottomed out in 2017, he's been* to 3 of 4 NCAAs (let's say a first-four team in 2020) and won the NIT the other year. He's improved his conference standing every year and snagged a B12 tourney title. Wojo on the other hand has been on a clear downward trajectory since February 2019.
The ACU loss was super-ugly, not doubt. But the NCAA tourney is a crap shoot right? Shouldn't have been in that situation, but if ACU doesn't get a questionable call with 1.2 left, or misses a FT, and Texas squeaks through they get another win and make the S16, Shaka looks like he's on a great trajectory and gets an extension.
Vander misses that layup against Davidson and do we venerate St. Buzz in the same way?
Shaka is a steal. If UT is willing to let him go without a buyout we would be crazy not to take him.
If Shaka were fired wouldn't Texas go after the same coaches we are?
St. Buzz😊?
#donedeal
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 21, 2021, 12:08:53 AM
I've been a big Shaka fan but I have to say - watching Moser adjust after getting down big yesterday compared to watching Shaka's team get out worked badly by a team with far less size, athleticism and talent is worth something.
Precisely, couldn't come up with a better microcom example of what we need vs. what we just got rid of
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 21, 2021, 01:56:30 AM
The story of Shaka at Texas requires some context. Shaka walked into a much better roster than anything Wojo walked into, ranked #34 preseason by KenPom. But it was senior heavy. 4 of their top 6 guys were seniors (and 5 of their top 8). Add in his best player Isaiah Taylor mistakenly thinking he was going to be drafted and Shaka's second year started with zero starters from the previous year, a classic rebuilding year. In year one they lost a hearbreaker to 11 seeded Northern Iowa in the NCAAT.
Similar to Wojo's second year, Shaka's second year had highish expectations (preseason #45 in KenPom) due to a highly ranked recruiting class. Shaka ran out a starting of 4 underclassmen and a senior big man who started out of necessity. Results were not good but usually a roster with 5 underclassmen playing 26+ minutes a game means a promising future. Unfortunately some things both forseeable and unforseeable ended up undermining that.
First, star sophomore Tevin Mack had....off the court issues (he would end up committing to play for four different universities in four years) and had to leave the university. Next, former 5-star Jarrett Allen predictably went pro and ended up with a solid career in the NBA. But no one could have predicted that Andrew Jones, former 5-star and the guy who was supposed to be Shaka' best player in year 3 would be diagnosed with leukemia. He did play a few games in year 3 before the diagnosis but it clearly limited his play and eventually shut him down. So instead of a rebuilding year, Shaka ended up losing 3/4 of his top players (and 5 of his top 7). Allen was absolutely predictable. Mack...the coach is responsible for the players he recruits but hard to place that all on Shaka. Jones, Shaka bears no responsibility for.
Despite losing their star, the Longhorns ended year 3 about where they were supposed to. KenPom pegged them as the 37th best team preseason (prior to Jones' diagnosis) and they finished 38th. They earned a 7 seed but got a brutal matchup with Nevada who KenPom pegged as a couple point favorite in that match. Texas lost in OT. It should also be noted that Texas was missing starting guard Eric Davis for that game. Davis got caught up in the Christian Dawkins scandal (he committed to Rick Barnes but stayed when Shaka was hired).
Year 4 was a weird one. They were projected as the 16th best team in the country by KenPom. They finished 25th...but only made the NIT. Texas has the honor of being the third highest ranked KenPom team ever (since KenPom became a thing in 2002) to not make the NCAAT. The other two? 2002 South Carolina and 2018 Penn State (you know, the ones that beat us in the NIT). Their resume included wins over #7 UNC on a neutral court, #9 Purdue at home, #20 K-State on the road, #32 Oklahoma at home, #17 Kansas at home, #35 Baylor at home, and #15 Iowa State at home. That's a lot of quality wins. But the B12 was very strong that year and they picked up a lot of losses to very good teams (as well as two bad losses to #122 Radford and #132 Georgia). The NIT is never a good look for Texas, but at least they won it.
Year 5 was by far the most disappointing. He lost his two best players from the year before but they should have been an NCAA worthy team. Instead COVID saved Shaka from the boosters' wrath.
Year 6 ended with a thud but it's hard to call a B12 championship and a 3-seed a bad season, no matter who you are.
Those saying that Shaka is equal to Wojo are not making meaningful comparisons. Yes, Wojo has a better overall W/L record. The B12 is a much tougher league than the Big East. That's not debatable. Yes, both have zero tournament wins. But in six years, Shaka got them a 3, a 6, and a 7 seed. In seven years, Wojo got them a 5 and a 10 and did enough in the COVID year to earn somewhere between an 8-11. If the argument is Shaka can't win in March...first I'd say that's not a meaningful argument, second I'd point out that the dude has a Final Four. Clearly he can win in March, he hasn't at Texas.
I can also say with some experience that Austin has never embraced Shaka. Texas boosters are the worst kind of fans that you can imagine and they have not hid their disdain for a Black Midwesterner running their program very well. Don't believe me? Check out the recent Texas Tribune article that got ahold of a bunch of booster emails regarding the Eyes of Texas song. That's what people are willing to write down and sign their name to. The stuff they are willing to say behind closed doors is worse. What level of impact that may have had on Shaka's success...I don't know. But I don't think it's unreasonable to think that a change of scenery could yield better results.
I don't know that Shaka is my first choice. I really like Smith, I think he could be the next Beard. I am also very intrigued by Gates. But I think Shaka deserves to be on that list if he is serious. This morning I dismissed it as Shaka lobbying for a contract extension. Now I think he's in need of a reset. People have been praising Mike Anderson who got fired for not winning enough at Arkansas. I don't think it's unreasonable to think that Smart could do even better here.
Thank you! Shaka and Wojo's NCAAT resumes are not really close. At the end of regulation, Shaka's net point differential is -4. If you look at the score with 3 seconds left, it's +2. We can argue about opponent strength, but it's not close to Wojo's -39.
Quote from: Goose on March 21, 2021, 02:42:57 AM
Shaka would be a big time hire for MU. I believe he would have great success if he ended here. Fingers crossed.
100%
I'd love if Shaka came to MU. He is actually the candidate that I have the least concerns with.
Rocky and Hilltop must love all the speculation, opinion, and other comments hitting this board over the last few days. Hope you guys are getting paid somehow for this. What is the post traffic since all this started?
And how the hell can anybody keep up with this? Hire Shaka, no Shaka. Hire Pitino, No Pitino. Hire Wardle, No Wardle. Hire Bielein, No Bielein. Hire Moser, No Moser. Bring back Crean, hell no Crean.
Guess all this proves is that there are plenty of MU fans out there and the internet gives them access to voice their pleasure/displeasure.
Enjoying this a lot, but this search needs to get going in earnest. If Loyola wins today, likely the board will explode even more.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on March 20, 2021, 11:38:15 PM
I mean Nate Oats isn't coming, I don't know who people expect, but if there's a candidate better than Shaka, I'd love to see people name him.
Now it'll be interesting to see if Shaka gets fired this week.
Dont think he will be fired, he won the tourney and made the dance. But what the hell does anybody know? Even the guy that saw his disorganized office admits that he does not know.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 21, 2021, 01:56:30 AM
The story of Shaka at Texas requires some context. Shaka walked into a much better roster than anything Wojo walked into, ranked #34 preseason by KenPom. But it was senior heavy. 4 of their top 6 guys were seniors (and 5 of their top 8). Add in his best player Isaiah Taylor mistakenly thinking he was going to be drafted and Shaka's second year started with zero starters from the previous year, a classic rebuilding year. In year one they lost a hearbreaker to 11 seeded Northern Iowa in the NCAAT.
Similar to Wojo's second year, Shaka's second year had highish expectations (preseason #45 in KenPom) due to a highly ranked recruiting class. Shaka ran out a starting of 4 underclassmen and a senior big man who started out of necessity. Results were not good but usually a roster with 5 underclassmen playing 26+ minutes a game means a promising future. Unfortunately some things both forseeable and unforseeable ended up undermining that.
First, star sophomore Tevin Mack had....off the court issues (he would end up committing to play for four different universities in four years) and had to leave the university. Next, former 5-star Jarrett Allen predictably went pro and ended up with a solid career in the NBA. But no one could have predicted that Andrew Jones, former 5-star and the guy who was supposed to be Shaka' best player in year 3 would be diagnosed with leukemia. He did play a few games in year 3 before the diagnosis but it clearly limited his play and eventually shut him down. So instead of a rebuilding year, Shaka ended up losing 3/4 of his top players (and 5 of his top 7). Allen was absolutely predictable. Mack...the coach is responsible for the players he recruits but hard to place that all on Shaka. Jones, Shaka bears no responsibility for.
Despite losing their star, the Longhorns ended year 3 about where they were supposed to. KenPom pegged them as the 37th best team preseason (prior to Jones' diagnosis) and they finished 38th. They earned a 7 seed but got a brutal matchup with Nevada who KenPom pegged as a couple point favorite in that match. Texas lost in OT. It should also be noted that Texas was missing starting guard Eric Davis for that game. Davis got caught up in the Christian Dawkins scandal (he committed to Rick Barnes but stayed when Shaka was hired).
Year 4 was a weird one. They were projected as the 16th best team in the country by KenPom. They finished 25th...but only made the NIT. Texas has the honor of being the third highest ranked KenPom team ever (since KenPom became a thing in 2002) to not make the NCAAT. The other two? 2002 South Carolina and 2018 Penn State (you know, the ones that beat us in the NIT). Their resume included wins over #7 UNC on a neutral court, #9 Purdue at home, #20 K-State on the road, #32 Oklahoma at home, #17 Kansas at home, #35 Baylor at home, and #15 Iowa State at home. That's a lot of quality wins. But the B12 was very strong that year and they picked up a lot of losses to very good teams (as well as two bad losses to #122 Radford and #132 Georgia). The NIT is never a good look for Texas, but at least they won it.
Year 5 was by far the most disappointing. He lost his two best players from the year before but they should have been an NCAA worthy team. Instead COVID saved Shaka from the boosters' wrath.
Year 6 ended with a thud but it's hard to call a B12 championship and a 3-seed a bad season, no matter who you are.
Those saying that Shaka is equal to Wojo are not making meaningful comparisons. Yes, Wojo has a better overall W/L record. The B12 is a much tougher league than the Big East. That's not debatable. Yes, both have zero tournament wins. But in six years, Shaka got them a 3, a 6, and a 7 seed. In seven years, Wojo got them a 5 and a 10 and did enough in the COVID year to earn somewhere between an 8-11. If the argument is Shaka can't win in March...first I'd say that's not a meaningful argument, second I'd point out that the dude has a Final Four. Clearly he can win in March, he hasn't at Texas.
I can also say with some experience that Austin has never embraced Shaka. Texas boosters are the worst kind of fans that you can imagine and they have not hid their disdain for a Black Midwesterner running their program very well. Don't believe me? Check out the recent Texas Tribune article that got ahold of a bunch of booster emails regarding the Eyes of Texas song. That's what people are willing to write down and sign their name to. The stuff they are willing to say behind closed doors is worse. What level of impact that may have had on Shaka's success...I don't know. But I don't think it's unreasonable to think that a change of scenery could yield better results.
I don't know that Shaka is my first choice. I really like Smith, I think he could be the next Beard. I am also very intrigued by Gates. But I think Shaka deserves to be on that list if he is serious. This morning I dismissed it as Shaka lobbying for a contract extension. Now I think he's in need of a reset. People have been praising Mike Anderson who got fired for not winning enough at Arkansas. I don't think it's unreasonable to think that Smart could do even better here.
Thank you. The Shaka and Wojo comparisons are laugh out loud stupid. Shaka has a final four at a basketball only school and a conference tournament championship of arguably the best basketball conference in the country. The ncaa success, or lack there of, at Texas isn't great but it's not littered with 20 point drubbings.
As I've said before, I still don't think it'll happen and think the Goodman thing was Shaka using Marquette as leverage. But it's definitely more of a possibility than I previously thought and would be an absolute home run for Marquette if Scholl can pull it off.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 21, 2021, 06:46:12 AM. If Loyola wins today, likely the board will explode even more.
Yes, if Loyola wins today he probably moves up to the top of the Indians list?
Shaka would be great, so would Moser, so would Crean as it would be his lifetime job without the constant yearly he is going to leave.
I hope we end up with the guy we want and not plan D. Our AD has made some good hires, I trust him to do it again as long as he can reel in the one he wants.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 21, 2021, 01:56:30 AM
The story of Shaka at Texas requires some context. Shaka walked into a much better roster than anything Wojo walked into, ranked #34 preseason by KenPom. But it was senior heavy. 4 of their top 6 guys were seniors (and 5 of their top 8). Add in his best player Isaiah Taylor mistakenly thinking he was going to be drafted and Shaka's second year started with zero starters from the previous year, a classic rebuilding year. In year one they lost a hearbreaker to 11 seeded Northern Iowa in the NCAAT.
Similar to Wojo's second year, Shaka's second year had highish expectations (preseason #45 in KenPom) due to a highly ranked recruiting class. Shaka ran out a starting of 4 underclassmen and a senior big man who started out of necessity. Results were not good but usually a roster with 5 underclassmen playing 26+ minutes a game means a promising future. Unfortunately some things both forseeable and unforseeable ended up undermining that.
First, star sophomore Tevin Mack had....off the court issues (he would end up committing to play for four different universities in four years) and had to leave the university. Next, former 5-star Jarrett Allen predictably went pro and ended up with a solid career in the NBA. But no one could have predicted that Andrew Jones, former 5-star and the guy who was supposed to be Shaka' best player in year 3 would be diagnosed with leukemia. He did play a few games in year 3 before the diagnosis but it clearly limited his play and eventually shut him down. So instead of a rebuilding year, Shaka ended up losing 3/4 of his top players (and 5 of his top 7). Allen was absolutely predictable. Mack...the coach is responsible for the players he recruits but hard to place that all on Shaka. Jones, Shaka bears no responsibility for.
Despite losing their star, the Longhorns ended year 3 about where they were supposed to. KenPom pegged them as the 37th best team preseason (prior to Jones' diagnosis) and they finished 38th. They earned a 7 seed but got a brutal matchup with Nevada who KenPom pegged as a couple point favorite in that match. Texas lost in OT. It should also be noted that Texas was missing starting guard Eric Davis for that game. Davis got caught up in the Christian Dawkins scandal (he committed to Rick Barnes but stayed when Shaka was hired).
Year 4 was a weird one. They were projected as the 16th best team in the country by KenPom. They finished 25th...but only made the NIT. Texas has the honor of being the third highest ranked KenPom team ever (since KenPom became a thing in 2002) to not make the NCAAT. The other two? 2002 South Carolina and 2018 Penn State (you know, the ones that beat us in the NIT). Their resume included wins over #7 UNC on a neutral court, #9 Purdue at home, #20 K-State on the road, #32 Oklahoma at home, #17 Kansas at home, #35 Baylor at home, and #15 Iowa State at home. That's a lot of quality wins. But the B12 was very strong that year and they picked up a lot of losses to very good teams (as well as two bad losses to #122 Radford and #132 Georgia). The NIT is never a good look for Texas, but at least they won it.
Year 5 was by far the most disappointing. He lost his two best players from the year before but they should have been an NCAA worthy team. Instead COVID saved Shaka from the boosters' wrath.
Year 6 ended with a thud but it's hard to call a B12 championship and a 3-seed a bad season, no matter who you are.
Those saying that Shaka is equal to Wojo are not making meaningful comparisons. Yes, Wojo has a better overall W/L record. The B12 is a much tougher league than the Big East. That's not debatable. Yes, both have zero tournament wins. But in six years, Shaka got them a 3, a 6, and a 7 seed. In seven years, Wojo got them a 5 and a 10 and did enough in the COVID year to earn somewhere between an 8-11. If the argument is Shaka can't win in March...first I'd say that's not a meaningful argument, second I'd point out that the dude has a Final Four. Clearly he can win in March, he hasn't at Texas.
I can also say with some experience that Austin has never embraced Shaka. Texas boosters are the worst kind of fans that you can imagine and they have not hid their disdain for a Black Midwesterner running their program very well. Don't believe me? Check out the recent Texas Tribune article that got ahold of a bunch of booster emails regarding the Eyes of Texas song. That's what people are willing to write down and sign their name to. The stuff they are willing to say behind closed doors is worse. What level of impact that may have had on Shaka's success...I don't know. But I don't think it's unreasonable to think that a change of scenery could yield better results.
I don't know that Shaka is my first choice. I really like Smith, I think he could be the next Beard. I am also very intrigued by Gates. But I think Shaka deserves to be on that list if he is serious. This morning I dismissed it as Shaka lobbying for a contract extension. Now I think he's in need of a reset. People have been praising Mike Anderson who got fired for not winning enough at Arkansas. I don't think it's unreasonable to think that Smart could do even better here.
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Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 21, 2021, 01:56:30 AM
The story of Shaka at Texas requires some context. Shaka walked into a much better roster than anything Wojo walked into, ranked #34 preseason by KenPom. But it was senior heavy. 4 of their top 6 guys were seniors (and 5 of their top 8). Add in his best player Isaiah Taylor mistakenly thinking he was going to be drafted and Shaka's second year started with zero starters from the previous year, a classic rebuilding year. In year one they lost a hearbreaker to 11 seeded Northern Iowa in the NCAAT.
Similar to Wojo's second year, Shaka's second year had highish expectations (preseason #45 in KenPom) due to a highly ranked recruiting class. Shaka ran out a starting of 4 underclassmen and a senior big man who started out of necessity. Results were not good but usually a roster with 5 underclassmen playing 26+ minutes a game means a promising future. Unfortunately some things both forseeable and unforseeable ended up undermining that.
First, star sophomore Tevin Mack had....off the court issues (he would end up committing to play for four different universities in four years) and had to leave the university. Next, former 5-star Jarrett Allen predictably went pro and ended up with a solid career in the NBA. But no one could have predicted that Andrew Jones, former 5-star and the guy who was supposed to be Shaka' best player in year 3 would be diagnosed with leukemia. He did play a few games in year 3 before the diagnosis but it clearly limited his play and eventually shut him down. So instead of a rebuilding year, Shaka ended up losing 3/4 of his top players (and 5 of his top 7). Allen was absolutely predictable. Mack...the coach is responsible for the players he recruits but hard to place that all on Shaka. Jones, Shaka bears no responsibility for.
Despite losing their star, the Longhorns ended year 3 about where they were supposed to. KenPom pegged them as the 37th best team preseason (prior to Jones' diagnosis) and they finished 38th. They earned a 7 seed but got a brutal matchup with Nevada who KenPom pegged as a couple point favorite in that match. Texas lost in OT. It should also be noted that Texas was missing starting guard Eric Davis for that game. Davis got caught up in the Christian Dawkins scandal (he committed to Rick Barnes but stayed when Shaka was hired).
Year 4 was a weird one. They were projected as the 16th best team in the country by KenPom. They finished 25th...but only made the NIT. Texas has the honor of being the third highest ranked KenPom team ever (since KenPom became a thing in 2002) to not make the NCAAT. The other two? 2002 South Carolina and 2018 Penn State (you know, the ones that beat us in the NIT). Their resume included wins over #7 UNC on a neutral court, #9 Purdue at home, #20 K-State on the road, #32 Oklahoma at home, #17 Kansas at home, #35 Baylor at home, and #15 Iowa State at home. That's a lot of quality wins. But the B12 was very strong that year and they picked up a lot of losses to very good teams (as well as two bad losses to #122 Radford and #132 Georgia). The NIT is never a good look for Texas, but at least they won it.
Year 5 was by far the most disappointing. He lost his two best players from the year before but they should have been an NCAA worthy team. Instead COVID saved Shaka from the boosters' wrath.
Year 6 ended with a thud but it's hard to call a B12 championship and a 3-seed a bad season, no matter who you are.
Those saying that Shaka is equal to Wojo are not making meaningful comparisons. Yes, Wojo has a better overall W/L record. The B12 is a much tougher league than the Big East. That's not debatable. Yes, both have zero tournament wins. But in six years, Shaka got them a 3, a 6, and a 7 seed. In seven years, Wojo got them a 5 and a 10 and did enough in the COVID year to earn somewhere between an 8-11. If the argument is Shaka can't win in March...first I'd say that's not a meaningful argument, second I'd point out that the dude has a Final Four. Clearly he can win in March, he hasn't at Texas.
I can also say with some experience that Austin has never embraced Shaka. Texas boosters are the worst kind of fans that you can imagine and they have not hid their disdain for a Black Midwesterner running their program very well. Don't believe me? Check out the recent Texas Tribune article that got ahold of a bunch of booster emails regarding the Eyes of Texas song. That's what people are willing to write down and sign their name to. The stuff they are willing to say behind closed doors is worse. What level of impact that may have had on Shaka's success...I don't know. But I don't think it's unreasonable to think that a change of scenery could yield better results.
I don't know that Shaka is my first choice. I really like Smith, I think he could be the next Beard. I am also very intrigued by Gates. But I think Shaka deserves to be on that list if he is serious. This morning I dismissed it as Shaka lobbying for a contract extension. Now I think he's in need of a reset. People have been praising Mike Anderson who got fired for not winning enough at Arkansas. I don't think it's unreasonable to think that Smart could do even better here.
Good post Tamu. By all means MU should look at him
Just don't see him interested after the last fiasco with him.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 20, 2021, 11:56:47 PM
Rick Barnes made the tournament a lot too. Shaka is probably toast.
Bold prediction, Rocky. He does check a lot of MU's boxes if available. MU certainly does not lack potential candidates. Now we have to see what the search shakes out.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 21, 2021, 07:01:21 AM
Good post Tamu. By all means MU should look at him
Just don't see him interested after the last fiasco with him.
I actually wonder how much Marquette is going to tread lightly around him given what happened before.
Quote from: Goose on March 21, 2021, 02:42:57 AM
Shaka would be a big time hire for MU. I believe he would have great success if he ended here. Fingers crossed.
why do you believe Shaka would have great success here? As a comparison, Crean has a FF at MU but so-so success since. Shaka has a FF at VCU, but so-so since. I really don't have a candidate I'm totally down with. Some like Bielein, but how many years would he give MU? Some like Moser, but I keep thinking 2ncaa bids in 17 seasons. Are there any others that really jump off the page as a coach MU needs to be hot on the trail of? As for Shaka, why do you think he'd be a great success here? btw, isn't he originally from WI? Oregon, WI?
nm
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 21, 2021, 07:15:48 AM
Back before WI-57 was upgraded northeast of Green Bay, WI-42 from Manitowoc to Sturgeon Bay was the way we used to get to Door County. Very scenic trip hugging the Lake Michigan shoreline.
Right about that. Door County--beautiful. But too cold in the fall. Fish boils galore.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 21, 2021, 07:17:08 AM
Right about that. Door County--beautiful. But too cold in the fall. Fish boils galore.
Had a blast snowshoeing up there last winter. Hopefully the Fall 50 run happens this year
With the caveat that no comparison is apples to apples, here are what Shaka's kenpom Efficiency Margin , Offense, and Defense would look like if you took his results from the past 6 years at Texas and dropped them into the Big East, along with the projected seed the team with that overall Effiency Margin rank earned. As a note, I took Marquette out of the rankings for all of these years because otherwise we're judging Shaka in an 11-team league:
Year AdjEM AdjOff AdjDef *Seed*
2021 2 3 1 *5*
2020 7 9 1 *NIT*
2019 1 2 1 *5*
2018 6 8 2 *10*
2017 7 9 2 *11*
2016 5 6 5 *9*
Who knows what recruiting would've looked like, but even with the injuries and the issues Shaka has had, if you put his Texas results in the Big East, he would've tracked to earn 5 NCAA bids in 6 years and an NIT bid the other. Those defensive numbers would be an absolute identity and calling card. He would've had the best team in 2019 and likely won the Big East title we couldn't secure.
We'd still think he was underachieving relative to Buzz, but we'd also know the context of injuries and issues that TAMU pointed out and are much easier to ignore when all you look at is "3 NCAAs and 0 NCAA wins in 6 years". Also, a little extra context. Shaka's first team that got in as a 6-seed did lose in round one, but it was on a buzzer-beating half court heave by Paul Jesperson after his team scored with 2.7 to play to seemingly force overtime. As TAMU noted, they lost as underdogs to Nevada in overtime in his second tourney bid. Then last night they lost by 1 on 2 free throws by a 57% free throw shooter with 1.4 left. Losing in the NCAAs sucks, but Shaka is three bounces away from winning all of those games.
I'm still stung over 2014. I'm not saying Shaka is the lights-out, surefire candidate. But I do like the idea of someone who held out for the big job realizing that it isn't always what it's cracked up to be and coming closer to home in a league where it's easier to win. Shaka is also just 43 years old. He's going to be doing this for 25 more years. Compare that to Beilein (68), McKay (55), Moser (52), and Smith (48). Other than Gates (41), Shaka is the youngest coach we're possibly looking at with 7 NCAA wins, an NIT title, and a Final Four under his belt. And a hell of a lot of bad luck that led to the disappointing results of the past 6 years. The more I look at him, the more I like him as a candidate.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 21, 2021, 07:18:52 AM
With the caveat that no comparison is apples to apples, here are what Shaka's kenpom Efficiency Margin , Offense, and Defense would look like if you took his results from the past 6 years at Texas and dropped them into the Big East, along with the projected seed the team with that overall Effiency Margin rank earned. As a note, I took Marquette out of the rankings for all of these years because otherwise we're judging Shaka in an 11-team league:
Year AdjEM AdjOff AdjDef *Seed*
2021 2 3 1 *5*
2020 7 9 1 *NIT*
2019 1 2 1 *5*
2018 6 8 2 *10*
2017 7 9 2 *11*
2016 5 6 5 *9*
Who knows what recruiting would've looked like, but even with the injuries and the issues Shaka has had, if you put his Texas results in the Big East, he would've tracked to earn 5 NCAA bids in 6 years and an NIT bid the other. Those defensive numbers would be an absolute identity and calling card. He would've had the best team in 2019 and likely won the Big East title we couldn't secure.
We'd still think he was underachieving relative to Buzz, but we'd also know the context of injuries and issues that TAMU pointed out and are much easier to ignore when all you look at is "3 NCAAs and 0 NCAA wins in 6 years". Also, a little extra context. Shaka's first team that got in as a 6-seed did lose in round one, but it was on a buzzer-beating half court heave by Paul Jesperson after his team scored with 2.7 to play to seemingly force overtime. As TAMU noted, they lost as underdogs to Nevada in overtime in his second tourney bid. Then last night they lost by 1 on 2 free throws by a 57% free throw shooter with 1.4 left. Losing in the NCAAs sucks, but Shaka is three bounces away from winning all of those games.
I'm still stung over 2014. I'm not saying Shaka is the lights-out, surefire candidate. But I do like the idea of someone who held out for the big job realizing that it isn't always what it's cracked up to be and coming closer to home in a league where it's easier to win. Shaka is also just 43 years old. He's going to be doing this for 25 more years. Compare that to Beilein (68), McKay (55), Moser (52), and Smith (48). Other than Gates (41), Shaka is the youngest coach we're possibly looking at with 7 NCAA wins, an NIT title, and a Final Four under his belt. And a hell of a lot of bad luck that led to the disappointing results of the past 6 years. The more I look at him, the more I like him as a candidate.
Thanks for this. A Defensive calling card would be quite the change from previously. If he can learn and add someone to the staff that can shore up an O efficiency, it'd be dangerous.
If Shaka wants to come to MU, great. We've been burned once by this guy. I am certainly not getting my hopes up.
Ill trust whatever Scholl decides mainly because the other option is just to be miserable waiting for someone to fail. I don't want Shaka because of name recognition solely. Has to be clear to Scholl that there were issues at Texas that wouldnt necessarily be a problem at MU. A reboot is sometime necessary, but if he doesn't have the passion anymore I hope it's clear to Scholl.
On the surface, Id welcome the hire and give him the full 5 year scoop leash.
There was zero "bad luck" last night with Texas.
AC outworked and out hustled them from the opening tip to the final buzzer.
Want no part of Shaka.
I'd be perfectly OK with Shaka, but there are enough significant questions about his tenure at Texas that I don't think it's an automatic home-run hire.
Despite TAMU's well done breakdown, when all's said and done, Shaka inherited a program at Texas that was in a much better place than the one he would leave.
Texas had made 16 of the past 17 tournaments under the previous coach and won at least one game 10 times. They advanced to the second weekend five times. As has been discussed, Shaka has yet to win an NCAA tourney game at Texas.
Under Barnes, Texas won 23.6 games per season (10.9 in the Big 12), on average. Under Smart, it's 18.1 and 8.6.
Under Barnes, Texas finished the season ranked eight times, including four in the top 10. They've never finished ranked under Smart.
Other than the declining results, Smart's teams at Texas - like those of the previous Marquette coach's - have never seemed to add to the sum of their parts. This year's team was ranked 9th by KenPom in the preseason, but finished 22nd. The previous year's team was ranked 32nd in the preseason by KenPom, finished 61st. The year before that, 16th preseason, 25th final.
He's recruited very well, landing three top 10 classes, another one ranked 17th; four 5-star players and four McDonald's AAs; and three NBA first-round picks ... but all that talent he's assembled hasn't translated into on-court success.
And he's done all this underachieving (IMO) at a program that without a doubt has better resources, a better conference, a better location and a better recruiting base than Marquette. If he can't win with all the advantages that UT has to offer, why would anyone think it's unquestionable that he would win at Marquette?
Maybe as TAMU suggests it's simply a matter of fit for Shaka and his results at a place Marquette would be different. I wouldn't be unhappy about giving it a try. But there are enough warning flags out there on Shaka that I don't think anyone is "insane" to have reservations.
I would be for Shaka. For those pointing to a single game (last night) as evidence, it's one game. There seems to be a higher likelihood that we could turn around the program quicker with Shaka. I'm not sure the same could be said for some of the other candidates.
Below are the incoming recruits for Texas:
http://www.espn.com/colleges/basketball/recruiting/school/_/id/251/class/2021
One of the recruits is from Brookfield, WI.
Quote from: tower912 on March 21, 2021, 07:34:37 AM
If Shaka wants to come to MU, great. We've been burned once by this guy. I am certainly not getting my hopes up.
I was once told by an MU assistant coach that sometimes you just have stick your head in the sand and put your feelings aside. MU has to get this next hire right. If Shaka turns out to be the man, great. Let's move forward and kick some ass, aina?
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on March 21, 2021, 08:00:54 AM
There was zero "bad luck" last night with Texas.
AC outworked and out hustled them from the opening tip to the final buzzer.
Want no part of Shaka.
Did Davidson outwork and out hustle MU in 2013? ACU was a stinker for Shaka for sure, but I'm not gonna say no to a guy based on a phantom foul called with 1.2 seconds left.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 21, 2021, 08:32:03 AM
I was once told by an MU assistant coach that sometimes you just have stick your head in the sand and put your feelings aside. MU has to get this next hire right. If Shaka turns out to be the man, great. Let's move forward and kick some ass, aina?
If he wants to be at MU and MU can afford him, I will support him. I have no interest in a run back of the prolonged soul selling wooing.
Quote from: 1SE on March 21, 2021, 08:33:01 AM
Did Davidson outwork and out hustle MU in 2013? ACU was a stinker for Shaka for sure, but I'm not gonna say no to a guy based on a phantom foul called with 1.2 seconds left.
1. Yes. Davidson was the better, smarter team for 95 percent of that game.
2. It was a 100 percent legit foul. Smacked the guy across the chest.
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1373494944665591808/pu/vid/1280x720/HFy8nTdeGeWV8mBq.mp4?tag=12
3. Maybe when you're in position to lose to a 14 seed with 1.2 seconds to play, it's a sign that whatever you were doing for the previous 39 minutes, 58 seconds wasn't working so well.
4. I don't see anyone expressing concerns over Shaka based on just one game.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 21, 2021, 08:11:54 AM
I'd be perfectly OK with Shaka, but there are enough significant questions about his tenure at Texas that I don't think it's an automatic home-run hire.
Despite TAMU's well done breakdown, when all's said and done, Shaka inherited a program at Texas that was in a much better place than the one he would leave.
Texas had made 16 of the past 17 tournaments under the previous coach and won at least one game 10 times. They advanced to the second weekend five times. As has been discussed, Shaka has yet to win an NCAA tourney game at Texas.
Under Barnes, Texas won 23.6 games per season (10.9 in the Big 12), on average. Under Smart, it's 18.1 and 8.6.
Under Barnes, Texas finished the season ranked eight times, including four in the top 10. They've never finished ranked under Smart.
Other than the declining results, Smart's teams at Texas - like those of the previous Marquette coach's - have never seemed to add to the sum of their parts. This year's team was ranked 9th by KenPom in the preseason, but finished 22nd. The previous year's team was ranked 32nd in the preseason by KenPom, finished 61st. The year before that, 16th preseason, 25th final.
He's recruited very well, landing three top 10 classes, another one ranked 17th; four 5-star players and four McDonald's AAs; and three NBA first-round picks ... but all that talent he's assembled hasn't translated into on-court success.
And he's done all this underachieving (IMO) at a program that without a doubt has better resources, a better conference, a better location and a better recruiting base than Marquette. If he can't win with all the advantages that UT has to offer, why would anyone think it's unquestionable that he would win at Marquette?
Maybe as TAMU suggests it's simply a matter of fit for Shaka and his results at a place Marquette would be different. I wouldn't be unhappy about giving it a try. But there are enough warning flags out there on Shaka that I don't think anyone is "insane" to have reservations.
Who do you think should be Marquette's next coach?
Quote from: DegenerateDish on March 21, 2021, 08:44:31 AM
Who do you think should be Marquette's next coach?
Beilein would be my first choice. Gates would be my second. And I'd give Matta a call.
And yes, there are reasons for reservations about each of them as well, just fewer in my mind than Shaka.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 21, 2021, 08:51:28 AM
Beilein would be my first choice. Gates would be my second. And I'd give Matta a call.
And yes, there are reasons for reservations about each of them as well, just fewer in my mind than Shaka.
Fair enough, none of them are "insane" options. We're cool on my end.
My thoughts on Shaka to MU:
1. I was never angry that Shaka ended up not taking the MU job. There is no doubt I was big time disappointed that he left us at the alter, but I was not bitter towards the decision. I actually thought MU had a steal and were hiring a guy that was actually a better long term answer than Buzz, which seldom happens landing a better coach than when departing.
2. There is zero comparison between Wojo and Shaka as a coach. His pre Wojo resume blows any discussion out of the water. There are many on here that loved making the comparison every time Wojo was called out for lack of success. I would be wiling to say that every team Shaka had at Texas was a better product than what Wojo put on the court and provided far more entertainment value. I want wins in March as much as anyone and believe Shaka will get that done before his career is over. I cannot say that about Wojo.
3. Going back to point 1 to some degree, quite possibly the timing was not right. Following the Buzz success there would have been extremely expectations for Shaka to take that to the next level. To be honest, that might have been hard to do. Buzz provided enough success to keep excitement in the program and building off that would have been a tough task. Right now he would be starting basically from scratch and that might be a great thing for both parties.
4. Style of play means a lot to me and Shaka checks that box.
5. For the past 10+ years I have felt that a program like MU should find the perfect, young black coach and give him the keys to the program. Admittedly I am not up to speed like I was years ago but Shaka sure seems to check that box as well. I think MU would benefit from a black coach, the city of MKE could benefit and MU basketball fans would benefit from Shaka taking over.
6. I am 100% confident that recruiting would be a slam dunk for Shaka and we would own the local kids. In looking back at our best teams over the past twenty years there was always a good mix of local talent, regional and sometime national talent on the team. I have said many times I liked Wojo recruiting like he was at Duke and going national but that was a tough task. I think Shaka would own the MKE market and do exceptional in the other key midwest cities.
7. Someone mentioned yesterday on another post on how Izzo would have handled the Hauser situation and I want to follow up with my take on that. I have always believed that guys in a profession know their peers about 10000% better than I do. I believe that MU hired Shaka that fellow coaches would say it was a major step up for MU. Would even go as far as saying that other BE coaches would be disappointed in the hire.
For the record, I believe the same would be said if MU hired Pitino. Coaches know their business and they know who can really recruit, coach or both.
8. If Shaka is a true candidate I am over the moon happy he lost yesterday. It means it easier to leave his current job and MU can start talking to him today. Anyone that thinks that the loss last night is reason to not hire him truly is not thinking clearly. If he has a chance to end up here, I prefer it to start this week than in three weeks.
To sum it up, I would be an extremely happy fan if Shaka was introduced as the next MU coach.
Quote from: Goose on March 21, 2021, 08:58:32 AM
My thoughts on Shaka to MU:
1. I was never angry that Shaka ended up not taking the MU job. There is no doubt I was big time disappointed that he left us at the alter, but I was not bitter towards the decision. I actually thought MU had a steal and were hiring a guy that was actually a better long term answer than Buzz, which seldom happens landing a better coach than when departing.
2. There is zero comparison between Wojo and Shaka as a coach. His pre Wojo resume blows any discussion out of the water. There are many on here that loved making the comparison every time Wojo was called out for lack of success. I would be wiling to say that every team Shaka had at Texas was a better product than what Wojo put on the court and provided far more entertainment value. I want wins in March as much as anyone and believe Shaka will get that done before his career is over. I cannot say that about Wojo.
3. Going back to point 1 to some degree, quite possibly the timing was not right. Following the Buzz success there would have been extremely expectations for Shaka to take that to the next level. To be honest, that might have been hard to do. Buzz provided enough success to keep excitement in the program and building off that would have been a tough task. Right now he would be starting basically from scratch and that might be a great thing for both parties.
4. Style of platy means a lot to me and Shaka checks that box.
5. For the past 10+ years I have felt that a program like MU should find the perfect, young black coach and give him the keys to the program. Admittedly I am not up to speed like I was years ago but Shaka sure seems to check that box as well. I think MU would benefit from a black coach, the city of MKE could benefit and MU basketball fans would benefit from Shaka taking over.
6. I am 100% confident that recruiting would be a slam dunk for Shaka and we would own the local kids. In looking back at our best teams over the past twenty years there was always a good mix of local talent, regional and sometime national talent on the team. I have said many times I liked Wojo recruiting like he was at Duke and going national but that was a tough task. I think Shaka would own the MKE market and do exceptional in the other key midwest cities.
7. Someone mentioned yesterday on another post on how Izzo would have handled the Hauser situation and I have follow up take on that. I have always believed that guys in a profession know their peers about 10000% better than I do. I believe that MU hired Shaka that fellow coaches would say it was a major step up for MU. Would even go as far as saying that other BE coaches would be disappointed in the hire.
For the record, I believe the same would be said if MU hired Pitino. Coaches know their business and they know who can really recruit, coach or both.
8. If Shaka is a true candidate I am over the moon happy he lost yesterday. It means it easier to leave his current job and MU can start talking to him today. Anyone that thinks that lose is reason to hire him truly is not thinking clearly. If he has a chance to end up here, I prefer it to start this week than in three weeks.
To sum it up, I would be an extremely happy fan if Shaka was introduced as the next MU coach.
Yes. Shaka is option 1 if its on the table. Frankly I'd rather have him over Beilin or Matta or Pitino - even IF those guys were interested, how long are they gonna coach? I want someone who can build sustained success at MU - not someone who is going to make a 3 year push for one last run and then retire. If Shaka came, and it "clicked", we might not have to have this conversation again for another 30 years.
Quote from: 1SE on March 21, 2021, 09:03:44 AM
Yes. Shaka is option 1 if its on the table. Frankly I'd rather have him over Beilin or Matta or Pitino - even IF those guys were interested, how long are they gonna coach? I want someone who can build sustained success at MU - not someone who is going to make a 3 year push for one last run and then retire. If Shaka came, and it "clicked", we might not have to have this conversation again for another 30 years.
I'm Beilein and then Matta over Shaka (Pitino just isn't realistic at all in my opinion for some many reasons). If Beilein is willing to go 7, it would be a no brainer for me.
But, I can totally accept this position. It makes a lot of sense. Shaka does check off a lot of boxes.
Would any of those above come? Hope so, because the next tier (including Poser, Craig Smith, Kelsey, etc) just don't excite me as much. We need a splash.
Quote from: MUCam on March 21, 2021, 09:11:57 AM
I'm Beilein and then Matta over Shaka (Pitino just isn't realistic at all in my opinion for some many reasons). If Beilein is willing to go 7, it would be a no brainer for me.
But, I can totally accept this position. It makes a lot of sense. Shaka does check off a lot of boxes.
Would any of those above come? Hope so, because the next tier (including Poser, Craig Smith, Kelsey, etc) just don't excite me as much. We need a splash.
Yeah - I'd rather have Beilein or Matta over tier-2 as well - if they can put us back on the map in 3 or 4 years and then decide to retire we would be well positioned to hire whoever the "hot young coach" at that time.
Shaka ...
is still young at 43
Has had scar tissue of bad situations
Has a ff and a nit championship
Recruits well
Coaches with a defensive identity
Originally from Madison
He would be a good choice
Is ripe to make a change
Let's go!
Quote from: DegenerateDish on March 20, 2021, 11:41:24 PM
This board is hilarious. 12 hours ago it was "Shaka would never come to Marquette, you're crazy" to the ultimate recency bias of "I'd never want Shaka here".
You guys are something else, Jesus.
100000%. You're not dealing with rational or intelligent people.
Quote from: Goose on March 21, 2021, 08:58:32 AM
My thoughts on Shaka to MU:
1. I was never angry that Shaka ended up not taking the MU job. There is no doubt I was big time disappointed that he left us at the alter, but I was not bitter towards the decision. I actually thought MU had a steal and were hiring a guy that was actually a better long term answer than Buzz, which seldom happens landing a better coach than when departing.
2. There is zero comparison between Wojo and Shaka as a coach. His pre Wojo resume blows any discussion out of the water. There are many on here that loved making the comparison every time Wojo was called out for lack of success. I would be wiling to say that every team Shaka had at Texas was a better product than what Wojo put on the court and provided far more entertainment value. I want wins in March as much as anyone and believe Shaka will get that done before his career is over. I cannot say that about Wojo.
3. Going back to point 1 to some degree, quite possibly the timing was not right. Following the Buzz success there would have been extremely expectations for Shaka to take that to the next level. To be honest, that might have been hard to do. Buzz provided enough success to keep excitement in the program and building off that would have been a tough task. Right now he would be starting basically from scratch and that might be a great thing for both parties.
4. Style of play means a lot to me and Shaka checks that box.
5. For the past 10+ years I have felt that a program like MU should find the perfect, young black coach and give him the keys to the program. Admittedly I am not up to speed like I was years ago but Shaka sure seems to check that box as well. I think MU would benefit from a black coach, the city of MKE could benefit and MU basketball fans would benefit from Shaka taking over.
6. I am 100% confident that recruiting would be a slam dunk for Shaka and we would own the local kids. In looking back at our best teams over the past twenty years there was always a good mix of local talent, regional and sometime national talent on the team. I have said many times I liked Wojo recruiting like he was at Duke and going national but that was a tough task. I think Shaka would own the MKE market and do exceptional in the other key midwest cities.
7. Someone mentioned yesterday on another post on how Izzo would have handled the Hauser situation and I want to follow up with my take on that. I have always believed that guys in a profession know their peers about 10000% better than I do. I believe that MU hired Shaka that fellow coaches would say it was a major step up for MU. Would even go as far as saying that other BE coaches would be disappointed in the hire.
For the record, I believe the same would be said if MU hired Pitino. Coaches know their business and they know who can really recruit, coach or both.
8. If Shaka is a true candidate I am over the moon happy he lost yesterday. It means it easier to leave his current job and MU can start talking to him today. Anyone that thinks that the loss last night is reason to not hire him truly is not thinking clearly. If he has a chance to end up here, I prefer it to start this week than in three weeks.
To sum it up, I would be an extremely happy fan if Shaka was introduced as the next MU coach.
Nice post, Goose.
From everything I was told Shaka does have interest and it's not just Goodman blowing smoke.
I'm not sure Shaka is Scholl's guy though. I think Moser might be more his type, but I have no clue. Just speculation on this last part
Quote from: Pakuni on March 21, 2021, 08:51:28 AM
Beilein would be my first choice. Gates would be my second. And I'd give Matta a call.
And yes, there are reasons for reservations about each of them as well, just fewer in my mind than Shaka.
I value your opinion more than basically everyone here, but I totally disagree with your list.
Quote from: Goose on March 21, 2021, 08:58:32 AM
My thoughts on Shaka to MU:
1. I was never angry that Shaka ended up not taking the MU job. There is no doubt I was big time disappointed that he left us at the alter, but I was not bitter towards the decision. I actually thought MU had a steal and were hiring a guy that was actually a better long term answer than Buzz, which seldom happens landing a better coach than when departing.
2. There is zero comparison between Wojo and Shaka as a coach. His pre Wojo resume blows any discussion out of the water. There are many on here that loved making the comparison every time Wojo was called out for lack of success. I would be wiling to say that every team Shaka had at Texas was a better product than what Wojo put on the court and provided far more entertainment value. I want wins in March as much as anyone and believe Shaka will get that done before his career is over. I cannot say that about Wojo.
3. Going back to point 1 to some degree, quite possibly the timing was not right. Following the Buzz success there would have been extremely expectations for Shaka to take that to the next level. To be honest, that might have been hard to do. Buzz provided enough success to keep excitement in the program and building off that would have been a tough task. Right now he would be starting basically from scratch and that might be a great thing for both parties.
4. Style of play means a lot to me and Shaka checks that box.
5. For the past 10+ years I have felt that a program like MU should find the perfect, young black coach and give him the keys to the program. Admittedly I am not up to speed like I was years ago but Shaka sure seems to check that box as well. I think MU would benefit from a black coach, the city of MKE could benefit and MU basketball fans would benefit from Shaka taking over.
6. I am 100% confident that recruiting would be a slam dunk for Shaka and we would own the local kids. In looking back at our best teams over the past twenty years there was always a good mix of local talent, regional and sometime national talent on the team. I have said many times I liked Wojo recruiting like he was at Duke and going national but that was a tough task. I think Shaka would own the MKE market and do exceptional in the other key midwest cities.
7. Someone mentioned yesterday on another post on how Izzo would have handled the Hauser situation and I want to follow up with my take on that. I have always believed that guys in a profession know their peers about 10000% better than I do. I believe that MU hired Shaka that fellow coaches would say it was a major step up for MU. Would even go as far as saying that other BE coaches would be disappointed in the hire.
For the record, I believe the same would be said if MU hired Pitino. Coaches know their business and they know who can really recruit, coach or both.
8. If Shaka is a true candidate I am over the moon happy he lost yesterday. It means it easier to leave his current job and MU can start talking to him today. Anyone that thinks that the loss last night is reason to not hire him truly is not thinking clearly. If he has a chance to end up here, I prefer it to start this week than in three weeks.
To sum it up, I would be an extremely happy fan if Shaka was introduced as the next MU coach.
Great thoughts, Goose. I agree with you on all fronts on this. Would definitely get me excited about mubb.
We've got two Shaka/Marquette threads going, started at about the same time last night in the minutes after the game ended. This one has twice as many pages, so here we are ...
Thanks to TAMU, brew and Pakuni for lots of good, interesting information. Also thanks to Goose for his reasonable thesis on why Marquette should pursue Shaka. All very good reads.
However, think of the things Wojo was mostly criticized for -- the legit, measurable things, not his cuddles and the white t-shirts ...
++ Wojo had zero NCAA wins in his 7 years at Marquette ... Shaka had zero NCAA wins in his 6 years at Texas AND his last 2 years at VCU.
++ Wojo rarely if ever exceeded expectations in his 7 years at Marquette ... Shaka rarely if ever exceeded expectations during his 6 years at Texas.
++ Wojo lost as a 5-seed ... Shaka lost as a 3-seed - and 4 of his 5 NCAA losses since he last won an NCAA tourney game were as the higher seed. (Also, Wojo's loss as a 5-seed was to a future NBA star; I don't think any of the Abilene Christian players will be NBA Rookie of the Year.)
++ Wojo recruited well but had no system ... Shaka has recruited well but seems to have abandoned the system that helped him get to the Final Four all those many years ago.
++ Wojo's team was badly outplayed by Georgetown in his final game at Marquette ... Shaka's team was badly outplayed by Abilene Christian in his final (?) game at Texas.
++ Wojo was living off his reputation as a Duke assistant ... Shaka is living off his reputation as a Final Four coach.
++ Defenders of either coach can point to all kinds of mitigating factors and/or context; Wojo's detractors call those "excuses" ... what are they for Shaka?
Having said all of that ...
I have been a playful critic of Shaka for most of his time at Texas, mostly pointing out that he hadn't accomplished much more than Wojo had despite all the hype he had going in there. During the day yesterday, as several of us talked about Goodman's report that Shaka might consider Marquette again, I finally let myself say, "Well, why the hell not?!?!"
And then, a few hours later, Shaka's overrated Longhorns got outworked for 40 minutes by a team that had been D2 until a few years ago, a team filled with tiny players, a team that doesn't have a single guy who would have been given a scholarship to play basketball at Texas. I mean, how is it possible that a Texas team that had a major height advantage at every position, and 4- and 5-star athletes everywhere, had only 5 offensive rebounds and not a single second-chance point all night? So emotionally, I was like, "No effen way!"
Well, it's a new day, things are calmer now, and I'm a fan of my alma mater's basketball program. If Scholl hires Shaka, I will support him and root for the team.
And it's a reasonable argument that the way Shaka likes to play might work better at Marquette than Texas, and also that the experience of having been humbled at Texas might make him a better coach at his next stop. All one has to do is look at a guy like Majerus. So thanks for our fellow Scoopers for making those arguments.
Still, it's hard to believe that after saying NCAA wins matter, Scholl would go for a guy who is 0-fer over the last 8 years, including a spectacularly horrific failure against a severely outmanned team that just flat outworked Shaka's team last night. And then there's the fact that Shaka already said no to us once. Paraphrasing Tha Hound, shouldn't we have some self-respect?
It's a fascinating conversation for all of us to have, and a difficult decision for Scholl. Here's hoping he makes the right one, whomever it ends up being.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 21, 2021, 09:25:38 AM
I value your opinion more than basically everyone here, but I totally disagree with your list.
That's cool with me. I could be completely wrong.
Any particular reason, though? I definitely see the downsides of each of my top three, but I'm less concerned about those than with the other names that have been tossed around.
I see both sides to the argument.
If I had to pick right now, I honestly think it's Crean.
My concern with Shaka is not his coaching. It is the 10 days of wasted time courting him if he isn't the guy. Times change, but I haven't forgotten the last time.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 21, 2021, 09:35:13 AM
That's cool with me. I could be completely wrong.
Any particular reason, though? I definitely see the downsides of each of my top three, but I'm less concerned about those than with the other names that have been tossed around.
Beilein is a stop gap. He's too old, and we just have this conversation again five years from now for sure..
Gates I'd be fine with
Matta. Why would he have interest? He's been out of the game for four years. That might be bad. Sure, he can coach, but his health history, and lack of 'give a sh1t' is a non starter for me.
Quote from: MU82 on March 21, 2021, 09:31:47 AM
We've got two Shaka/Marquette threads going, started at about the same time last night in the minutes after the game ended. This one has twice as many pages, so here we are ...
Thanks to TAMU, brew and Pakuni for lots of good, interesting information. Also thanks to Goose for his reasonable thesis on why Marquette should pursue Shaka. All very good reads.
However, think of the things Wojo was mostly criticized for -- the legit, measurable things, not his cuddles and the white t-shirts ...
++ Wojo had zero NCAA wins in his 7 years at Marquette ... Shaka had zero NCAA wins in his 6 years at Texas AND his last 2 years at VCU.
++ Wojo rarely if ever exceeded expectations in his 7 years at Marquette ... Shaka rarely if ever exceeded expectations during his 6 years at Texas.
++ Wojo lost as a 5-seed ... Shaka lost as a 3-seed - and 4 of his 5 NCAA losses since he last won an NCAA tourney game were as the higher seed. (Also, Wojo's loss as a 5-seed was to a future NBA star; I don't think any of the Abilene Christian players will be NBA Rookie of the Year.)
++ Wojo recruited well but had no system ... Shaka has recruited well but seems to have abandoned the system that helped him get to the Final Four all those many years ago.
++ Wojo's team was badly outplayed by Georgetown in his final game at Marquette ... Shaka's team was badly outplayed by Abilene Christian in his final (?) game at Texas.
++ Wojo was living off his reputation as a Duke assistant ... Shaka is living off his reputation as a Final Four coach.
++ Defenders of either coach can point to all kinds of mitigating factors and/or context; Wojo's detractors call those "excuses" ... what are they for Shaka?
Having said all of that ...
I have been a playful critic of Shaka for most of his time at Texas, mostly pointing out that he hadn't accomplished much more than Wojo had despite all the hype he had going in there. During the day yesterday, as several of us talked about Goodman's report that Shaka might consider Marquette again, I finally let myself say, "Well, why the hell not?!?!"
And then, a few hours later, Shaka's overrated Longhorns got outworked for 40 minutes by a team that had been D2 until a few years ago, a team filled with tiny players, a team that doesn't have a single guy who would have been given a scholarship to play basketball at Texas. I mean, how is it possible that a Texas team that had a major height advantage at every position, and 4- and 5-star athletes everywhere, had only 5 offensive rebounds and not a single second-chance point all night? So emotionally, I was like, "No effen way!"
Well, it's a new day, things are calmer now, and I'm a fan of my alma mater's basketball program. If Scholl hires Shaka, I will support him and root for the team.
And it's a reasonable argument that the way Shaka likes to play might work better at Marquette than Texas, and also that the experience of having been humbled at Texas might make him a better coach at his next stop. All one has to do is look at a guy like Majerus. So thanks for our fellow Scoopers for making those arguments.
Still, it's hard to believe that after saying NCAA wins matter, Scholl would go for a guy who is 0-fer over the last 8 years, including a spectacularly horrific failure against a severely outmanned team that just flat outworked Shaka's team last night. And then there's the fact that Shaka already said no to us once. Paraphrasing Tha Hound, shouldn't we have some self-respect?
It's a fascinating conversation for all of us to have, and a difficult decision for Scholl. Here's hoping he makes the right one, whomever it ends up being.
Nads, do you make soup at home? Figurin' ewe due, 'cuz ya sure njoy stirrin' da pot, kin, hey?
Quote from: Bad_Reporter on March 21, 2021, 09:36:40 AM
I see both sides to the argument.
If I had to pick right now, I honestly think it's Crean.
You must be following Coaching Changes on twitter.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 21, 2021, 09:41:11 AM
Nads, do you make soup at home? Figurin' ewe due, 'cuz ya sure njoy stirrin' da pot, kin, hey?
I guess I enjoy "stirrin' da pot" as much as kin TAMU, kin brew, kin Pakuni and kin Goose do. Not to mention kin Doc Dribble.
Quote from: Bad_Reporter on March 21, 2021, 09:36:40 AM
I see both sides to the argument.
If I had to pick right now, I honestly think it's Crean.
You got anything for us, BR? I am NOT being snarky. What're you hearing?
Doc,
82 sure loves to stir the pot and I can see him at computer laughing his ass off when he hits the post button.
Shaka ? No thanks
No way they hire Crean.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on March 21, 2021, 09:43:35 AM
You must be following Coaching Changes on twitter.
No, however I did see someone post the link.
The 100 year celebration stuck out to me. Crean said a lot of things that made me believe he missed MU. He knew he f'd up and tried to strike gold while the iron was hot. Does he have flaws, absolutely. But Scholl made it clear he wants a coach with previous coaching experience. Crean did well here, and pushed Marquette for the greater cause then just basketball (still waiting for the soccer benefits)
My Intel isn't on a tweet (I don't have Twitter). My intel is on what i was told by someone I trust who is best friends with Scholl.
There you have it. My heads on a chopping block now with fellow scoopers. Just sharing what I know.
Shaka'n, not stirred? Shaka and awe?
Both are looking at the same data. The numbers are what they are. How you choose to interpret them is up to you.
Quote from: Goose on March 21, 2021, 09:45:42 AM
Doc,
82 sure loves to stir the pot and I can see him at computer laughing his ass off when he hits the post button.
Actually, his computer was able to grab a selfie of Mike hard at work. Thought I'd share with y'all, hey?
Dude, you had the camera backward again and posted a selfie.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 21, 2021, 09:51:52 AM
Actually, his computer was able to grab a selfie of Mike hard at work. Thought I'd share with y'all, hey?
Doc, you could pull some serious coin working on his mouth, eh?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 21, 2021, 09:51:52 AM
Actually, his computer was able to grab a selfie of Mike hard at work. Thought I'd share with y'all, hey?
Hey you kids, get outta my computer!
Quote from: Bad_Reporter on March 21, 2021, 09:50:11 AM
No, however I did see someone post the link.
The 100 year celebration stuck out to me. Crean said a lot of things that made me believe he missed MU. He knew he f'd up and tried to strike gold while the iron was hot. Does he have flaws, absolutely. But Scholl made it clear he wants a coach with previous coaching experience. Crean did well here when Dwyane Wade was on the team, and pushed Marquette for the greater cause then just basketball (still waiting for the soccer benefits)
My Intel isn't on a tweet (I don't have Twitter). My intel is on what i was told by someone I trust who is best friends with Scholl.
There you have it. My heads on a chopping block now with fellow scoopers. Just sharing what I know.
FIFY
If Strong had anything to do with the buyout than Crean is in play. I would be disappointed if that was direction they went and hope it does not happen. That said, I would probably buy in and get a bit more excitement for the program than I did during the Wojo era.
Quote from: Bad_Reporter on March 21, 2021, 09:50:11 AM
No, however I did see someone post the link.
The 100 year celebration stuck out to me. Crean said a lot of things that made me believe he missed MU. He knew he f'd up and tried to strike gold while the iron was hot. Does he have flaws, absolutely. But Scholl made it clear he wants a coach with previous coaching experience. Crean did well here, and pushed Marquette for the greater cause then just basketball (still waiting for the soccer benefits)
My Intel isn't on a tweet (I don't have Twitter). My intel is on what i was told by someone I trust who is best friends with Scholl.
There you have it. My heads on a chopping block now with fellow scoopers. Just sharing what I know.
Thanks bad reporter. I appreciate your insights and you've proven yourself to be reliable on multiple occasions. The mouth breathers on this site regurgitating status quo are exhausting.
Your insights are great.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 21, 2021, 08:51:28 AM
Beilein would be my first choice. Gates would be my second. And I'd give Matta a call.
And yes, there are reasons for reservations about each of them as well, just fewer in my mind than Shaka.
A more rational list IMO than most here have. Beilein and Matta would both be home runs, but I just don't see them wanting the job. If they did, I'd put them at 2 and 3. My list, based on who I think would be realistic:
1. Gates
2. Smith
3. Moser
MUBB and Shaka talk starts at 19:40ish
https://twitter.com/robdauster/status/1373643338499379205?s=21
I'm pretty high on Smith and Gates, but there's definitely some risk for them. I also think Shaka has the same upside, but far less risk. Even though his Texas time wasn't a huge success, he's shown he can coach and recruit in what's been possibly the toughest conference the last 6 years.
I don't think it should be a major consideration, but I'd think Shaka sticks around longer than Gates. Shaka has been to the big school and may see the value in staying at MU (much like Crean sounds like now). I could see Gates being the guy at FSU and Leonard Hamilton is up there in age, despite the fact that I don't know if he's aged in the last 20 years.
Quote from: Bad_Reporter on March 21, 2021, 09:50:11 AM
No, however I did see someone post the link.
The 100 year celebration stuck out to me. Crean said a lot of things that made me believe he missed MU. He knew he f'd up and tried to strike gold while the iron was hot. Does he have flaws, absolutely. But Scholl made it clear he wants a coach with previous coaching experience. Crean did well here, and pushed Marquette for the greater cause then just basketball (still waiting for the soccer benefits)
My Intel isn't on a tweet (I don't have Twitter). My intel is on what i was told by someone I trust who is best friends with Scholl.
There you have it. My heads on a chopping block now with fellow scoopers. Just sharing what I know.
No inside information here. But if you asked me yesterday, I would have guessed Crean or Moser.
After yesterday, I think Shaka is right there in the mix, the question is whether that be as option 1a, b or c.
Regardless, I think it is highly likely that Shaka is not in Texas anymore.
Quote from: tower912 on March 21, 2021, 07:34:37 AM
If Shaka wants to come to MU, great. We've been burned once by this guy. I am certainly not getting my hopes up.
Why were we burned? With no President or AD, a new league with a new sports channel deal, and a situation where their successful coach was moved along, I don't blame Shaka at all for passing. A lot is known now including that Wojo set a very low bar.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 21, 2021, 10:12:17 AM
Why were we burned? With no President or AD, a new league with a new sports channel deal, and a situation where their successful coach was moved along, I don't blame Shaka at all for passing. A lot is known now including that Wojo set a very low bar.
But all the reports indicated that Shaka said no because Mrs. Shaka vetoed the move, not because of the leadership situation or the TV deal.
Do you have intel that shows something different?
Never met Scholl, but I get the impression from his actions and also his presser, that putting his own man in as head coach is a very important part of this process. So, while Too Tanned Tommy may be in play with Strong, and shekels can't be ignored, Scholl will ultimately choose the coach without outside influence. To do otherwise would be the exact same ultimatum Woj was put into, hey?
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 21, 2021, 10:16:53 AM
But all the reports indicated that Shaka said no because Mrs. Shaka vetoed the move, not because of the leadership situation or the TV deal.
Do you have intel that shows something different?
I thought the AD and President was one of these reasons she vetoed. We are also only getting one side of the story on how that all went down.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 21, 2021, 10:12:17 AM
Why were we burned? With no President or AD, a new league with a new sports channel deal, and a situation where their successful coach was moved along, I don't blame Shaka at all for passing. A lot is known now including that Wojo set a very low bar.
I think the sense of being burned comes not from Shaka turning down the job, but from giving every indication he would take it and then bailing at the last minute. How much of that is urban myth and how much reality, we'll probably never know.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 21, 2021, 10:18:17 AM
Never met Scholl, but I get the impression from his actions and also his presser, that putting his own man in as head coach is a very important part of this process. So, while Too Tanned Tommy may be in play with Strong, and shekels can't be ignored, Scholl will ultimately choose the coach without outside influence. To do otherwise would be the exact same ultimatum Woj was put into, hey?
Scholl originally wanted to keep Woj, his hand was to a good extent forced by donors. So, his MO is he will cave to donor/alumni demands.
After all, they are the ones footing the bill.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 21, 2021, 10:16:53 AM
But all the reports indicated that Shaka said no because Mrs. Shaka vetoed the move, not because of the leadership situation or the TV deal.
Do you have intel that shows something different?
The Mrs. Shaka Veto is like The Letter. It becomes a nice figurative excuse. Yes, she is a very successful public policy lawyer, but MU was a shytshow. Look at our choices back then: Guys running from other jobs, retreads, and Wojo. Our choices will be much better this time, as is the job. No time to be butt hurt this round as MU is dealing from a position of strength.
Quote from: Warrior2008 on March 21, 2021, 06:56:43 AM
Thank you. The Shaka and Wojo comparisons are laugh out loud stupid. Shaka has a final four at a basketball only school and a conference tournament championship of arguably the best basketball conference in the country. The ncaa success, or lack there of, at Texas isn't great but it's not littered with 20 point drubbings.
As I've said before, I still don't think it'll happen and think the Goodman thing was Shaka using Marquette as leverage. But it's definitely more of a possibility than I previously thought and would be an absolute home run for Marquette if Scholl can pull it off.
Has anyone talked to Shaka's wife?
Quote from: forgetful on March 21, 2021, 10:23:19 AM
Scholl originally wanted to keep Woj, his hand was to a good extent forced by donors. So, his MO is he will cave to donor/alumni demands.
After all, they are the ones footing the bill.
I don't know if that's true. If the assistant coach stuff is true, it sounds more like Scholl gave Wojo every chance to save his job but got to an impasse. Then, I'm guessing went to see if there were the funds to part ways.
I'm guessing it was in the best interest financially to keep Wojo but the process needed to change. It became clear Wojo wasn't willing to change the process.
Lordy, Lordy, here we go again. Almost makes one wish Wojo wasn't fired.
First off, who is assigned to watch FlightAware or FlightRadar24 for Shaka's jet? Not me.
Second, the big question with Shaka, were he to take the job, is how long he stays. If Ms. Shaka hates Milwaukee as much as it appears she does, Shaka will stay long enough to rehab himself and then head for a P5 school. I want that just about as much as I want another year without the NCAA.
I still like the idea of Becky Hammons. A great coach at San Antonio. Knows how to work with and communicate to star athletes and would get us an enormous amount of exposure. Obviously knows the game inside and out. Only question is whether she want to coach in college.
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 21, 2021, 10:32:42 AM
Lordy, Lordy, here we go again. Almost makes one wish Wojo wasn't fired.
I had forgotten how entertaining scoop can be. This is great.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 21, 2021, 10:19:41 AM
I thought the AD and President was one of these reasons she vetoed. We are also only getting one side of the story on how that all went down.
I never saw anything like that. Most of what I saw indicated that she didn't want to move to the midwest.
Quote from: tower912 on March 21, 2021, 10:34:27 AM
I had forgotten how entertaining scoop can be. This is great.
+1
And so Shaka week begins.
I would much rather have Shaka week than Moser week.
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 21, 2021, 10:32:42 AM
Second, the big question with Shaka, were he to take the job, is how long he stays. If Ms. Shaka hates Milwaukee as much as it appears she does, Shaka will stay long enough to rehab himself and then head for a P5 school. I want that just about as much as I want another year without the NCAA.
Obviously that's been the story of the #donedeal saga, but that's not to say that's the whole story. We don't have any idea what kind of commitments were made and reasons for backing out, if there was even a backing out. We've gotten one side of the story.
His wife went to Northwestern for a Masters Degree. So may not have an issue with being in the Midwest.
Honestly, there were a lot of questions about MU at the time. Someone with Shaka's profile might be shooting low at that time. No AD and a President that was quickly hired. Previous coach leaving because he didn't think the new conference could succeed (at least publicly that was the reason). I can't blame her for maybe playing Devil's Advocate or playing he bad guy if Shaka had some second thoughts.
Quote from: Goose on March 21, 2021, 08:58:32 AM
My thoughts on Shaka to MU:
1. I was never angry that Shaka ended up not taking the MU job. There is no doubt I was big time disappointed that he left us at the alter, but I was not bitter towards the decision. I actually thought MU had a steal and were hiring a guy that was actually a better long term answer than Buzz, which seldom happens landing a better coach than when departing.
2. There is zero comparison between Wojo and Shaka as a coach. His pre Wojo resume blows any discussion out of the water. There are many on here that loved making the comparison every time Wojo was called out for lack of success. I would be wiling to say that every team Shaka had at Texas was a better product than what Wojo put on the court and provided far more entertainment value. I want wins in March as much as anyone and believe Shaka will get that done before his career is over. I cannot say that about Wojo.
3. Going back to point 1 to some degree, quite possibly the timing was not right. Following the Buzz success there would have been extremely expectations for Shaka to take that to the next level. To be honest, that might have been hard to do. Buzz provided enough success to keep excitement in the program and building off that would have been a tough task. Right now he would be starting basically from scratch and that might be a great thing for both parties.
4. Style of play means a lot to me and Shaka checks that box.
5. For the past 10+ years I have felt that a program like MU should find the perfect, young black coach and give him the keys to the program. Admittedly I am not up to speed like I was years ago but Shaka sure seems to check that box as well. I think MU would benefit from a black coach, the city of MKE could benefit and MU basketball fans would benefit from Shaka taking over.
6. I am 100% confident that recruiting would be a slam dunk for Shaka and we would own the local kids. In looking back at our best teams over the past twenty years there was always a good mix of local talent, regional and sometime national talent on the team. I have said many times I liked Wojo recruiting like he was at Duke and going national but that was a tough task. I think Shaka would own the MKE market and do exceptional in the other key midwest cities.
7. Someone mentioned yesterday on another post on how Izzo would have handled the Hauser situation and I want to follow up with my take on that. I have always believed that guys in a profession know their peers about 10000% better than I do. I believe that MU hired Shaka that fellow coaches would say it was a major step up for MU. Would even go as far as saying that other BE coaches would be disappointed in the hire.
For the record, I believe the same would be said if MU hired Pitino. Coaches know their business and they know who can really recruit, coach or both.
8. If Shaka is a true candidate I am over the moon happy he lost yesterday. It means it easier to leave his current job and MU can start talking to him today. Anyone that thinks that the loss last night is reason to not hire him truly is not thinking clearly. If he has a chance to end up here, I prefer it to start this week than in three weeks.
To sum it up, I would be an extremely happy fan if Shaka was introduced as the next MU coach.
Perfectly summed up. Bring Shaka in!
Quote from: GOO on March 21, 2021, 10:37:36 AM
And so Shaka week begins.
Shaka-nado, parts one through 4, in 3-D. Will we see Tara Reid?
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 21, 2021, 10:32:42 AM
Lordy, Lordy, here we go again. Almost makes one wish Wojo wasn't fired.
First off, who is assigned to watch FlightAware or FlightRadar24 for Shaka's jet? Not me.
Second, the big question with Shaka, were he to take the job, is how long he stays. If Ms. Shaka hates Milwaukee as much as it appears she does, Shaka will stay long enough to rehab himself and then head for a P5 school. I want that just about as much as I want another year without the NCAA.
I still like the idea of Becky Hammons. A great coach at San Antonio. Knows how to work with and communicate to star athletes and would get us an enormous amount of exposure. Obviously knows the game inside and out. Only question is whether she want to coach in college.
Agree. If he is hired at Marquette he will always be looking for the next gig. He was at his peak at VCU. I lived in Richmond for 28 years and remember the naive belief throughout Richmond that he would never leave. This was reinforced after he turned down the MU offer. Then, next year, the Texas offer was on the table. A Richmond strip club made the news by offering free lap dances for Shaka and his staff (no puns please) if he turned down the Texas job. No, I am NOT making this up!
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 21, 2021, 10:47:07 AM
Agree. If he is hired at Marquette he will always be looking for the next gig. He was at his peak at VCU. I lived in Richmond for 28 years and remember the naive belief throughout Richmond that he would never leave. This was reinforced after he turned down the MU offer. Then, next year, the Texas offer was on the table. A Richmond strip club made the news by offering free lap dances for Shaka and his staff (no puns please) if he turned down the Texas job. No, I am NOT making this up!
That probably made Mrs. Shaka's mind up that it was time to go to Texas.
Quote from: Bad_Reporter on March 21, 2021, 09:50:11 AM
No, however I did see someone post the link.
The 100 year celebration stuck out to me. Crean said a lot of things that made me believe he missed MU. He knew he f'd up and tried to strike gold while the iron was hot. Does he have flaws, absolutely. But Scholl made it clear he wants a coach with previous coaching experience. Crean did well here, and pushed Marquette for the greater cause then just basketball (still waiting for the soccer benefits)
My Intel isn't on a tweet (I don't have Twitter). My intel is on what i was told by someone I trust who is best friends with Scholl.
There you have it. My heads on a chopping block now with fellow scoopers. Just sharing what I know.
This would be so underwhelming
Quote from: willie warrior on March 21, 2021, 06:46:12 AM
Rocky and Hilltop must love all the speculation, opinion, and other comments hitting this board over the last few days. Hope you guys are getting paid somehow for this.
Hah, thanks willie. Fri & Sat were Scoop's biggest ad revenue days ever. Today is Shaka-ing up to be similar.
More Arbys!
(note: we don't pay ourselves, buy this keeps the server running for even longer...)
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 21, 2021, 10:16:53 AM
But all the reports indicated that Shaka said no because Mrs. Shaka vetoed the move, not because of the leadership situation or the TV deal.
Do you have intel that shows something different?
The Mrs. Shaka thing, while fun, is a Scoop myth.
There's definitely a contingent that would love for Crean to be the pick. I think cooler heads prevail.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 21, 2021, 11:29:47 AM
The Mrs. Shaka thing, while fun, is a Scoop myth.
Right. I would imagine it was more of a "this is a really unstable situation" pass by Shaka.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 21, 2021, 11:29:47 AM
The Mrs. Shaka thing, while fun, is a Scoop myth.
Say it ain't so! "Mrs. Shaka hates the Domes, Robin Yount and Kopp's" is always so fun to say!
If it came down to Crean or Shaka, I'd go Crean, easy.
Moser v Crean, tougher choice, I'd go Moser with the higher risk of an implosion.
Quote from: GOO on March 21, 2021, 11:41:31 AM
If it came down to Crean or Shaka, I'd go Crean, easy.
Moser v Crean, tougher choice, I'd go Moser with the higher risk of an implosion.
I highly doubt Shaka and Crean will be in the mix.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 21, 2021, 11:29:47 AM
The Mrs. Shaka thing, while fun, is a Scoop myth.
Like the Hauser letter, a'ina?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 21, 2021, 12:11:02 PM
Like the Hauser letter, a'ina?
I believe all of it. Every part. Even the stuff that contradicts something. It's on the internet = it's true IMO
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 21, 2021, 11:33:53 AM
There's definitely a contingent that would love for Crean to be the pick. I think cooler heads prevail.
Ya can't go home again, Dorothy. Fook 'im, hey?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 21, 2021, 11:29:47 AM
The Mrs. Shaka thing, while fun, is a Scoop myth.
Wrong.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 21, 2021, 12:55:58 PM
Im really not
But he did say yes to Doc twice, correct
Wasn't the "Mrs Shaka" thing more just an IWB fabrication for whiffing on #DoneDeal? Seemed that missing Shaka might have had more to do with our AD/President situation at the time than anything.
Shaka's Wikipedia page currently says he was the coach of Texas until yesterday and is currently a volunteer assistant at Abilene Christian. LOL.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaka_Smart
Shaka Dingani Smart (born April 8, 1977) was an American men's college basketball coach until yesterday. He was the head men's basketball coach at the University of Texas at Austin but has since been sacked. He is currently a volunteer assistant at Abilene Christian University.
Quote from: Goose on March 21, 2021, 10:38:53 AM
I would much rather have Shaka week than Moser week.
Dumb & dangerous
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 21, 2021, 01:24:02 PM
Shaka's Wikipedia page currently says he was the coach of Texas until yesterday and is currently a volunteer assistant at Abilene Christian. LOL.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaka_Smart
Shaka Dingani Smart (born April 8, 1977) was an American men's college basketball coach until yesterday. He was the head men's basketball coach at the University of Texas at Austin but has since been sacked. He is currently a volunteer assistant at Abilene Christian University.
Gotta love Wikipedia. That's effen hilarious!
Quote from: Goose on March 21, 2021, 08:58:32 AM
My thoughts on Shaka to MU:
1. I was never angry that Shaka ended up not taking the MU job. There is no doubt I was big time disappointed that he left us at the alter, but I was not bitter towards the decision. I actually thought MU had a steal and were hiring a guy that was actually a better long term answer than Buzz, which seldom happens landing a better coach than when departing.
2. There is zero comparison between Wojo and Shaka as a coach. His pre Wojo resume blows any discussion out of the water. There are many on here that loved making the comparison every time Wojo was called out for lack of success. I would be wiling to say that every team Shaka had at Texas was a better product than what Wojo put on the court and provided far more entertainment value. I want wins in March as much as anyone and believe Shaka will get that done before his career is over. I cannot say that about Wojo.
3. Going back to point 1 to some degree, quite possibly the timing was not right. Following the Buzz success there would have been extremely expectations for Shaka to take that to the next level. To be honest, that might have been hard to do. Buzz provided enough success to keep excitement in the program and building off that would have been a tough task. Right now he would be starting basically from scratch and that might be a great thing for both parties.
4. Style of play means a lot to me and Shaka checks that box.
5. For the past 10+ years I have felt that a program like MU should find the perfect, young black coach and give him the keys to the program. Admittedly I am not up to speed like I was years ago but Shaka sure seems to check that box as well. I think MU would benefit from a black coach, the city of MKE could benefit and MU basketball fans would benefit from Shaka taking over.
6. I am 100% confident that recruiting would be a slam dunk for Shaka and we would own the local kids. In looking back at our best teams over the past twenty years there was always a good mix of local talent, regional and sometime national talent on the team. I have said many times I liked Wojo recruiting like he was at Duke and going national but that was a tough task. I think Shaka would own the MKE market and do exceptional in the other key midwest cities.
7. Someone mentioned yesterday on another post on how Izzo would have handled the Hauser situation and I want to follow up with my take on that. I have always believed that guys in a profession know their peers about 10000% better than I do. I believe that MU hired Shaka that fellow coaches would say it was a major step up for MU. Would even go as far as saying that other BE coaches would be disappointed in the hire.
For the record, I believe the same would be said if MU hired Pitino. Coaches know their business and they know who can really recruit, coach or both.
8. If Shaka is a true candidate I am over the moon happy he lost yesterday. It means it easier to leave his current job and MU can start talking to him today. Anyone that thinks that the loss last night is reason to not hire him truly is not thinking clearly. If he has a chance to end up here, I prefer it to start this week than in three weeks.
To sum it up, I would be an extremely happy fan if Shaka was introduced as the next MU coach.
Agreed with all of this, Goose. Great post.
Quote from: Goose on March 21, 2021, 08:58:32 AM
My thoughts on Shaka to MU:
1. I was never angry that Shaka ended up not taking the MU job. There is no doubt I was big time disappointed that he left us at the alter, but I was not bitter towards the decision. I actually thought MU had a steal and were hiring a guy that was actually a better long term answer than Buzz, which seldom happens landing a better coach than when departing.
2. There is zero comparison between Wojo and Shaka as a coach. His pre Wojo resume blows any discussion out of the water. There are many on here that loved making the comparison every time Wojo was called out for lack of success. I would be wiling to say that every team Shaka had at Texas was a better product than what Wojo put on the court and provided far more entertainment value. I want wins in March as much as anyone and believe Shaka will get that done before his career is over. I cannot say that about Wojo.
3. Going back to point 1 to some degree, quite possibly the timing was not right. Following the Buzz success there would have been extremely expectations for Shaka to take that to the next level. To be honest, that might have been hard to do. Buzz provided enough success to keep excitement in the program and building off that would have been a tough task. Right now he would be starting basically from scratch and that might be a great thing for both parties.
4. Style of play means a lot to me and Shaka checks that box.
5. For the past 10+ years I have felt that a program like MU should find the perfect, young black coach and give him the keys to the program. Admittedly I am not up to speed like I was years ago but Shaka sure seems to check that box as well. I think MU would benefit from a black coach, the city of MKE could benefit and MU basketball fans would benefit from Shaka taking over.
6. I am 100% confident that recruiting would be a slam dunk for Shaka and we would own the local kids. In looking back at our best teams over the past twenty years there was always a good mix of local talent, regional and sometime national talent on the team. I have said many times I liked Wojo recruiting like he was at Duke and going national but that was a tough task. I think Shaka would own the MKE market and do exceptional in the other key midwest cities.
7. Someone mentioned yesterday on another post on how Izzo would have handled the Hauser situation and I want to follow up with my take on that. I have always believed that guys in a profession know their peers about 10000% better than I do. I believe that MU hired Shaka that fellow coaches would say it was a major step up for MU. Would even go as far as saying that other BE coaches would be disappointed in the hire.
For the record, I believe the same would be said if MU hired Pitino. Coaches know their business and they know who can really recruit, coach or both.
8. If Shaka is a true candidate I am over the moon happy he lost yesterday. It means it easier to leave his current job and MU can start talking to him today. Anyone that thinks that the loss last night is reason to not hire him truly is not thinking clearly. If he has a chance to end up here, I prefer it to start this week than in three weeks.
To sum it up, I would be an extremely happy fan if Shaka was introduced as the next MU coach.
Excellent post. Thanks for typing out what I was far too lazy to put into words.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on March 21, 2021, 01:29:29 PM
Wrong.
I don't know about twice, but verbally agreed to basic terms.
Same source that said a BoT member was involved on Thursday. Same BoT member that isn't hot on Shaka being adjacent to the situation 7 years ago.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on March 21, 2021, 01:29:29 PM
Wrong.
Wasn't TAMU one of the people who guaranteed with no uncertainty that Wojo would be back next year? If so it's hard to believe he really knows anything at all. Yet he always speaks with such certainty. Can anyone here clarify if he is just full of sh*t because that's how it appears.
Farley
Not that TAMU needs my support, but he knows his stuff. Now, sometimes he might draw the line in the sand to make his point, there is no doubt TAMU knows his stuff.
Quote from: Farley36 on March 21, 2021, 02:37:37 PM
Wasn't TAMU one of the people who guaranteed with no uncertainty that Wojo would be back next year? If so it's hard to believe he really knows anything at all. Yet he always speaks with such certainty. Can anyone here clarify if he is just full of sh*t because that's how it appears.
And he was 100% correct until a huge change came on Thursday.
Quote from: Farley36 on March 21, 2021, 02:37:37 PM
Wasn't TAMU one of the people who guaranteed with no uncertainty that Wojo would be back next year? If so it's hard to believe he really knows anything at all. Yet he always speaks with such certainty. Can anyone here clarify if he is just full of sh*t because that's how it appears.
TAMU knows what's going on more than 99.9% of this board. It's legit info.
Quote from: ChitownMoser on March 21, 2021, 02:41:05 PM
TAMU knows what's going on more than 99.9% of this board. It's legit info.
I'll keep an eye out for something he's actually right about because so far he seems to be batting .000%.
Quote from: Goose on March 21, 2021, 02:39:26 PM
Farley
Not that TAMU needs my support, but he knows his stuff. Now, sometimes he might draw the line in the sand to make his point, there is no doubt TAMU knows his stuff.
In this case he's wrong. It's OK, it happens.
And being wrong hasn't stopped most from continuing to post, just look at tower.
Also, as many have said, I agree with Goose's points. I was a bit jaded at the time but have come to get over that. Though I feel a bit like a meme balled up in the corner pleading "don't hurt me again."
Ziggy
TAMU has strong opinions and he definitely feels he is right on most of his posts. That said ,he has street cred with me after the Wojo hire. He nailed it and he nailed it early. I have vastly different opinions than TAMU regarding the MU program and disagree often with him but I do read his posts to see what he has to say.
Thanks Goose. You and I often disagree but I've never questioned your love and expertise on the program. Your posts are must-reads for me.
As for everyone else, I'm just a bum in Texas who spends way too much to thinking about this stuff. I make some good calls and some hilariously bad ones.
TAMU for AD!
Warrior69
Who are the other options for AD?
Quote from: Goose on March 21, 2021, 03:49:13 PM
Warrior69
Who are the other options for AD?
Well I wouldn't pick Ners.
Quote from: Goose on March 21, 2021, 03:49:13 PM
Warrior69
Who are the other options for AD?
Goose
Please start a thread to discuss lists of ADs.
Retire0
A. I don't start threads.
B. I have enough on my plate trying to make sure MU hires the right guy.
C. I would pick Rick Pitino as AD over TAMU.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 21, 2021, 04:03:42 PM
Well I wouldn't pick Ners.
But he could dunk in high school!
Chico.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 21, 2021, 03:33:30 PM
Thanks Goose. You and I often disagree but I've never questioned your love and expertise on the program. Your posts are must-reads for me.
As for everyone else, I'm just a bum in Texas who spends way too much to thinking about this stuff. I make some good calls and some hilariously bad ones.
you're a Texas A&M guy commenting on UofTexas? Is that correct?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 21, 2021, 03:47:54 PM
TAMU for AD!
I guess if your criteria are someone who can adamantly declare themselves always right despite seemingly often proven wrong.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 21, 2021, 05:17:45 PM
Package deal with Hoopaloop and WarriorDad?
Anyone else want Rocky to unban Cheeks so we can collectively bitch slap him
Quote from: Goose on March 21, 2021, 04:23:53 PM
Retire0
A. I don't start threads.
B. I have enough on my plate trying to make sure MU hires the right guy.
C. I would pick Rick Pitino as AD over TAMU.
Goose
Well done.
My list is
1. Craig Pintens
2. Tom Crean
Quote from: Marq3332 on March 21, 2021, 05:15:23 PM
you're a Texas A&M guy commenting on UofTexas? Is that correct?
Im a Marquette guy who gets his paychecks signed by Texas A&M
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 21, 2021, 06:55:36 PM
Im a Marquette guy who gets his paychecks signed by Texas A&M
......Buzz?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 21, 2021, 06:55:36 PM
Im a Marquette guy who gets his paychecks signed by Texas A&M
ok. No shot on my part. Just wondering. Thx!
Quote from: Marq3332 on March 21, 2021, 07:03:47 PM
ok. No shot on my part. Just wondering. Thx!
No worries, didn't think it was a shot. Just saw a chance to declare my fandom.... sound cooler in my head
Quote from: Farley36 on March 21, 2021, 02:37:37 PM
Wasn't TAMU one of the people who guaranteed with no uncertainty that Wojo would be back next year? If so it's hard to believe he really knows anything at all. Yet he always speaks with such certainty. Can anyone here clarify if he is just full of sh*t because that's how it appears.
This right here is why you have
(https://muninetworks.org/sites/www.muninetworks.org/files/credibilityzero.png)
Shaka's seat is definitely warming.
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/college/article/After-Texas-falls-short-again-Shaka-Smart-s-16042467.php
https://longhornswire.usatoday.com/2021/03/21/texas-longhorns-shaka-smart-fire-ncaa-tournament-loss-basketball/
https://hookemheadlines.com/2021/03/21/texas-basketball-shaka-smarts-seat-is-scorching-hot-after-acu-loss/
https://www.hookem.com/story/sports/2021/03/21/bohls-texas-basketballs-loss-puts-shaka-smarts-job-jeopardy/4789045001/
Quote from: Pakuni on March 22, 2021, 09:41:53 AM
Shaka's seat is definitely warming.
https://longhornswire.usatoday.com/2021/03/21/texas-longhorns-shaka-smart-fire-ncaa-tournament-loss-basketball/
"
If he pulls the trigger, Del Conte will face off against blue blood Indiana for the top names in the market. Both athletic directors/fans/donors are going to be desperate to get their programs back on track and have the financial backing to do so."
We get no respect, I tell ya...
Quote from: Pakuni on March 22, 2021, 09:41:53 AM
Shaka's seat is definitely warming.
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/college/article/After-Texas-falls-short-again-Shaka-Smart-s-16042467.php
https://longhornswire.usatoday.com/2021/03/21/texas-longhorns-shaka-smart-fire-ncaa-tournament-loss-basketball/
https://hookemheadlines.com/2021/03/21/texas-basketball-shaka-smarts-seat-is-scorching-hot-after-acu-loss/
https://www.hookem.com/story/sports/2021/03/21/bohls-texas-basketballs-loss-puts-shaka-smarts-job-jeopardy/4789045001/
Good finds.
Definitely expected this sort of thing to come out. Makes him a lot more attractive if there isn't a buyout to worry about.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 22, 2021, 09:41:53 AM
Shaka's seat is definitely warming.
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/college/article/After-Texas-falls-short-again-Shaka-Smart-s-16042467.php
https://longhornswire.usatoday.com/2021/03/21/texas-longhorns-shaka-smart-fire-ncaa-tournament-loss-basketball/
https://hookemheadlines.com/2021/03/21/texas-basketball-shaka-smarts-seat-is-scorching-hot-after-acu-loss/
https://www.hookem.com/story/sports/2021/03/21/bohls-texas-basketballs-loss-puts-shaka-smarts-job-jeopardy/4789045001/
Part of this is what I thought with Wojo, once your seat gets warm, it never cools down.
Warming? I'm surprised Shaka's seat wasn't set on fire - with him in it - at 12:30 a.m. ET Sunday.
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on March 21, 2021, 09:22:17 PM
This right here is why you have
(https://muninetworks.org/sites/www.muninetworks.org/files/credibilityzero.png)
What's your favorite part of loving TAMU? The special tingly feeling he gives you or the intimate conversations that last deep into the night?
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 22, 2021, 09:51:04 AM
Good finds.
Definitely expected this sort of thing to come out. Makes him a lot more attractive if there isn't a buyout to worry about.
I don't get the Shaka love around here. He has like the exact same resume at Texas like Wojo had here. We could of just kept Wojo if we wanted to make the NCAAs every so often and then fail badly.
Quote from: Big Papi on March 22, 2021, 01:26:32 PM
I don't get the Shaka love around here. He has like the exact same resume at Texas like Wojo had here. We could of just kept Wojo if we wanted to make the NCAAs every so often and then fail badly.
People still have tinted glasses about a Wisconsin boy coming home to make another 2011 run. Despite him not doing jack before or after that run
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 22, 2021, 01:40:33 PM
People still have tinted glasses about a Wisconsin boy coming home to make another 2011 run. Despite him not doing jack before or after that run
He made 5 consecutive NCAA tournaments after the F4 run. That's far more than "jack". He also had top 40 defenses all 6 seasons at Texas. Top 26 in four of those years.
Quote from: Big Papi on March 22, 2021, 01:26:32 PM
I don't get the Shaka love around here. He has like the exact same resume at Texas like Wojo had here. We could of just kept Wojo if we wanted to make the NCAAs every so often and then fail badly.
Crean is more likely than Shaka. He wants to be here and will cost less.
Quote from: BM1090 on March 22, 2021, 02:13:28 PM
He made 5 consecutive NCAA tournaments after the F4 run. That's far more than "jack". He also had top 40 defenses all 6 seasons at Texas. Top 26 in four of those years.
1 win for all those appearances. Who else that we all proclaim we don't want again had a final four and no other March success despite being top 25 a bunch? Crean.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 22, 2021, 02:26:35 PM
1 win for all those appearances. Who else that we all proclaim we don't want again had a final four and no other March success despite being top 25 a bunch? Crean.
Sure. It's possible that he's topped out. At age 43, I doubt that's the case.
I fail to see how Moser is more desirable. He followed up his final four with two missed tournaments. He has made 2 NCAA tournaments in 17 years as a head coach.
I'd much prefer Shaka to Moser. Nine years younger, better recruiter/marketer, more entertaining style. The reality is we likely end up with someone less accomplished than both of them.
Quote from: BM1090 on March 22, 2021, 02:31:45 PM
Sure. It's possible that he's topped out. At age 43, I doubt that's the case.
I fail to see how Moser is more desirable. He followed up his final four with two missed tournaments. He has made 2 NCAA tournaments in 17 years as a head coach.
I'd much prefer Shaka to Moser. Nine years younger, better recruiter/marketer, more entertaining style. The reality is we likely end up with someone less accomplished than both of them.
There's a
minor difference in talent level available to access when you coach at Texas vs. Loyola.
How did Shaka follow up his 2018 round 1 loss? Two missed tournaments. People are way too hung up on his pre-Majerus history vs. his post-Majerus history. If you can't see that the guy has "it" then my only conclusion is you have not watched his teams play.
Quote from: BM1090 on March 22, 2021, 02:31:45 PM
Sure. It's possible that he's topped out. At age 43, I doubt that's the case.
I fail to see how Moser is more desirable. He followed up his final four with two missed tournaments. He has made 2 NCAA tournaments in 17 years as a head coach.
I'd much prefer Shaka to Moser. Nine years younger, better recruiter/marketer, more entertaining style. The reality is we likely end up with someone less accomplished than both of them.
The Smart move is Moser not Shaka.
Quote from: BM1090 on March 22, 2021, 02:31:45 PM
Sure. It's possible that he's topped out. At age 43, I doubt that's the case.
I fail to see how Moser is more desirable. He followed up his final four with two missed tournaments. He has made 2 NCAA tournaments in 17 years as a head coach.
I'd much prefer Shaka to Moser. Nine years younger, better recruiter/marketer, more entertaining style. The reality is we likely end up with someone less accomplished than both of them.
Couple of minor details about those missing the tournament years. It's not like they were trash.
1. The year after the final four he won the conference. Rough non conference screwed them over.
2. The second year they were likely out but they came in second. Again not like they fell apart.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 22, 2021, 02:44:38 PM
Couple of minor details about those missing the tournament years. It's not like they were trash.
1. The year after the final four he won the conference. Rough non conference screwed them over.
2. The second year they were likely out but they came in second. Again not like they fell apart.
I don't disagree, but could make similar comments about Shaka's lesser years at Texas.
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on March 22, 2021, 02:37:38 PM
There's a minor difference in talent level available to access when you coach at Texas vs. Loyola.
How did Shaka follow up his 2018 round 1 loss? Two missed tournaments. People are way too hung up on his pre-Majerus history vs. his post-Majerus history. If you can't see that the guy has "it" then my only conclusion is you have not watched his teams play.
I was referring to the years directly following the final four for each coach. Shaka, at VCU, followed it up with four more Tournament berths. Moser missed it twice. VCU is a higher level but Shaka had more consistent success at the mid-major level.
Genuine question. Did he follow it up with two missed tournaments? He missed in 2019. They were 19-12 (9-9) entering the B12 Tournament in 2020. A team with that resume typically makes the tourney. Were they viewed as a team outside the bubble?
EDIT: Bracket matrix archives past years. It does indeed look like they were right on the cusp. Could have gone either way. Shaka also dealt with a ton of injuries at Texas, and one of his best players was diagnosed with cancer. There are legitimate reasons for any underperformance, just like there are for Moser. I just can't understand why Moser is viewed as a great candidate and Shaka a lesser one. I'd prefer Shaka.
Quote from: Big Papi on March 22, 2021, 01:26:32 PM
I don't get the Shaka love around here. He has like the exact same resume at Texas like Wojo had here. We could of just kept Wojo if we wanted to make the NCAAs every so often and then fail badly.
I think a fair bit of it is getting back with the chick who dumped you that you can't get over. The love I don't get is the Wardle in
Shaka's deer-in-the-headlights display against a rinky-dink version of a one-note gimmick defense that HE HIMSELF rode to a fluke final four at one point looks even more shameful in light of how easily UCLA has dispatched with it today.
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on March 22, 2021, 05:51:35 PM
Shaka's deer-in-the-headlights display against a rinky-dink version of a one-note gimmick defense that HE HIMSELF rode to a fluke final four at one point looks even more shameful in light of how easily UCLA has dispatched with it today.
Yeah, you can see today why the best coach in basketball history would have so much trouble solving that D2 team filled with guys Muggsy's size.
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on March 22, 2021, 05:51:35 PM
Shaka's deer-in-the-headlights display against a rinky-dink version of a one-note gimmick defense that HE HIMSELF rode to a fluke final four at one point looks even more shameful in light of how easily UCLA has dispatched with it today.
Yeah. I get that AC was sky high over the opportunity to play the in-state Longhorns, but we saw today why they got a 14 seed. It's pretty astonishing that Shaka couldn't devise a way to beat that defense.
Quote from: MU82 on March 22, 2021, 01:14:52 PM
Warming? I'm surprised Shaka's seat wasn't set on fire - with him in it - at 12:30 a.m. ET Sunday.
Texas fans needed extra time to remember they have basketball.
We're having a little fun with Shaka today, but I know that shyte happens. Games sometimes have inexplicable results. Matchups matter. Luck matters. Good teams have bad games and mediocre teams have great games. All that stuff.
Still, I'm trying to imagine how Scoop would have handled a first-round Marquette loss to a team like Abilene Christian. I'm wondering if our analytics fans would have come up with all kinds of reasons we lost to a 14-seed of short players -- and how the Shaka fans here who aren't bothered in the least about him losing to that team would be absolutely killing Wojo for anything similar.
I mean, we lost to a team with the kid who would be the following season's NBA Rookie of the Year and Wojo got killed (and deservedly so). And any attempt to justify it -- which chicos tried to do over and over again -- would have been laughed at (and deservedly so).
I guess Shaka gets a pass because of his NCAA tournament success ... as long as one is willing to dig back to 2013?
I've always been a big Shaka fan but that loss feels bigger than a single fluke game
Lute Olson lost a lot of bad tournament games. He won a national championship with a 5th place Pac-10 team. Nobody wants to hear it, but weird stuff happens in single elimination tournaments. Weird teams go on nonsensical runs. Need to take all of the Shaka body of work in consideration. My concern wouldn't be one game, but sort of middling results at Texas.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 22, 2021, 06:50:06 PM
Texas fans needed extra time to remember they have basketball.
They leave the bonfires to the Aggies.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 22, 2021, 07:04:46 PM
Lute Olson lost a lot of bad tournament games. He won a national championship with a 5th place Pac-10 team. Nobody wants to hear it, but weird stuff happens in single elimination tournaments. Weird teams go on nonsensical runs. Need to take all of the Shaka body of work in consideration. My concern wouldn't be one game, but sort of middling results at Texas.
I think it's all part of the package. If it were just one or two bad tournament losses, you're absolutely right. But for 5 years at Texas, he was meh. Finally had the kind of season folks were expecting 3-4 years ago ... and then they're humiliated by a scrappy but short and untalented team.
Quote from: MU82 on March 22, 2021, 07:20:02 PM
I think it's all part of the package. If it were just one or two bad tournament losses, you're absolutely right. But for 5 years at Texas, he was meh. Finally had the kind of season folks were expecting 3-4 years ago ... and then they're humiliated by a scrappy but short and untalented team.
All I know is, I'd never want Marquette to play UWM or UWGB in a tournament game. But I get the concerns. I think he'd give the program a shot in the arm and be able to be himself at Marquette. Not sure that's the case at Texas
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on March 21, 2021, 09:22:17 PM
This right here is why you have
(https://muninetworks.org/sites/www.muninetworks.org/files/credibilityzero.png)
That was Dodds
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 22, 2021, 07:26:39 PM
All I know is, I'd never want Marquette to play UWM or UWGB in a tournament game. But I get the concerns. I think he'd give the program a shot in the arm and be able to be himself at Marquette. Not sure that's the case at Texas
If we hire Shaka, I 100% would support him and keep an open mind. His ability to recruit and the change-of-scenery thing is the best arguments for him.
Quote from: MU82 on March 22, 2021, 08:48:35 PM
If we hire Shaka, I 100% would support him and keep an open mind. His ability to recruit and the change-of-scenery thing is the best arguments for him.
The change of scenery argument is the main reason I don't totally fear the thought of Shaka. If he could somehow recreate what he built at VCU, it would be awesome...but if he just brought to Marquette what he brought to Texas, we will be here again in a few years.
Or more succinctly:
VCU Shaka 👍
Texas Shaka 👎
I really can't get over the apparent lunacy of College basketball right now.
Before the big 12 tournament, Texas was considering firing Shaka.
After the big 12 tournament, Shaka's agent was pursuing a new contract, and Texas was considering resigning him to a longer term deal.
Then after the NCAA tournament, reconsidering firing him.
Shows that fickle fans/boosters drive a lot of the boat.
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on March 22, 2021, 02:37:38 PM
There's a minor difference in talent level available to access when you coach at Texas vs. Loyola.
How did Shaka follow up his 2018 round 1 loss? Two missed tournaments. People are way too hung up on his pre-Majerus history vs. his post-Majerus history. If you can't see that the guy has "it" then my only conclusion is you have not watched his teams play.
This is the best Post I've read in years on Scoop. As the primary caregiver for my parents and then my Aunt as they were struggling through their late 80s and early 90s...I didn't get to watch Loyola's run to the Final Four.
After having watched Loyola for the first time in years.....watching Moser's way-less-talented squad completely dismantle an ultra-athletic Illini team which had realistic FF aspirations, I finally see the caliber of coach Moser is. That defense is stellar!! The crispness of passing with the offense's movement so synced-up....wow, that was a sight to behold.
My question is will the higher caliber athlete Moser should be able to bring to Milwaukee be as adept at playing by the same fundamentals? Maybe the best, most methodical TEAM is produced by getting kids who aren't the highest ranked. Will our fans and alums accept a brand of basketball which wins in a different manner? The plethora of mostly 4 ⭐️ and a couple 5 ⭐️ players during the last few coaches' tenures has created some recruiting expectations that may or may not affect a guy like Moser's M.O.
Another reason Shaka may be looking to get out of Texas.
This is from the UT reporter at the Austin American-Statesman:
Brian Davis @BDavisAAS
At the current count, Texas could lose 7 of the 11 players currently on the men's basketball roster.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 23, 2021, 05:01:14 PM
Another reason Shaka may be looking to get out of Texas.
This is from the UT reporter at the Austin American-Statesman:
Brian Davis @BDavisAAS
At the current count, Texas could lose 7 of the 11 players currently on the men's basketball roster.
Whoa yeah that's not good! How would the buyout get taken care of though? I guess he can just make the choice to let it go?
Quote from: Warrior_2002 on March 23, 2021, 05:08:46 PM
Whoa yeah that's not good! How would the buyout get taken care of though? I guess he can just make the choice to let it go?
If Texas wants him gone, the buyout won't be an impediment.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 23, 2021, 05:01:14 PM
Another reason Shaka may be looking to get out of Texas.
This is from the UT reporter at the Austin American-Statesman:
Brian Davis @BDavisAAS
At the current count, Texas could lose 7 of the 11 players currently on the men's basketball roster.
That was part of the original reason I speculated Shaka. Losing a lot. Trying to stay ahead of the curve.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 23, 2021, 05:12:38 PM
If Texas wants him gone, the buyout won't be an impediment.
I think it held them up last year because they had just splashed $24M to get rid of the football coach, but with another year off the deal, I agree that $7-8M won't stop them if they want to get rid of Shaka.
Quote from: geps on March 20, 2021, 11:36:57 PM
The longer this discussion goes, and the various rationals for iffy coaches makes me less sure this Wojo move made sense.
We could be discussing hiring Big Bird or Cookie Monster and firing Wojo would still make sense.
The editing/meming(?) of this is a bit rough but it's unquestionably funny:
https://www.reddit.com/r/CollegeBasketball/comments/mbsfv7/shakas_final_ride/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/CollegeBasketball/comments/mbsfv7/shakas_final_ride/)
Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on March 23, 2021, 05:23:54 PM
We could be discussing hiring Big Bird or Cookie Monster and firing Wojo would still make sense.
Cookie monster without question. Golden Eagle would object to Big Bird especially to one who does not fly.
Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on March 23, 2021, 05:23:54 PM
We could be discussing hiring Big Bird or Cookie Monster and firing Wojo would still make sense.
Big bird a great x and o coach, but can't recruit and is a little soft. Cookie monster can recruit the hell out of it, but comes with baggage and is a little squirmy. Can't control himself in certain situations. My pick would be Oscar. Older guy that's been around and won't take crap from his players.
Quote from: hairy worthen on March 24, 2021, 10:31:37 AM
Big bird a great x and o coach, but can't recruit and is a little soft. Cookie monster can recruit the hell out of it, but comes with baggage and is a little squirmy. Can't control himself in certain situations. My pick would be Oscar. Older guy that's been around and won't take crap from his players.
Yoda, he would not only bring the force he is Jediuit Master.
Quote from: naginiF on March 24, 2021, 10:02:01 AM
The editing/meming(?) of this is a bit rough but it's unquestionably funny:
https://www.reddit.com/r/CollegeBasketball/comments/mbsfv7/shakas_final_ride/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/CollegeBasketball/comments/mbsfv7/shakas_final_ride/)
Tough but fair. We just fired this exact guy. No thanks!
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Quote from: Blackhat on March 24, 2021, 10:53:15 AM
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At least we know he'd run a defensive system like Havoc.
His eyes look kind of beadie and he's twitching. Not sure he'd pass mu's physical/drug test.
Quote from: naginiF on March 24, 2021, 10:02:01 AM
The editing/meming(?) of this is a bit rough but it's unquestionably funny:
https://www.reddit.com/r/CollegeBasketball/comments/mbsfv7/shakas_final_ride/ (https://www.reddit.com/r/CollegeBasketball/comments/mbsfv7/shakas_final_ride/)
Btw, the comments to that meme describe why Shaka might be a lot of smoke and mirrors.
A lot of people credit Will Wade as being the mastermind of the success that Shaka had at VCU, and talk about how Havoc isn't adaptable to high major play.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 24, 2021, 12:40:16 PM
Btw, the comments to that meme describe why Shaka might be a lot of smoke and mirrors.
A lot of people credit Will Wade as being the mastermind of the success that Shaka had at VCU, and talk about how Havoc isn't adaptable to high major play.
He moved away from Havoc at Texas and had Top-40 defenses.
Quote from: hairy worthen on March 24, 2021, 10:31:37 AM
Big bird a great x and o coach, but can't recruit and is a little soft. Cookie monster can recruit the hell out of it, but comes with baggage and is a little squirmy. Can't control himself in certain situations. My pick would be Oscar. Older guy that's been around and won't take crap from his players.
May I nominate Animal for Strength and Conditioning coach?
Quote from: Pakuni on March 23, 2021, 05:01:14 PM
Another reason Shaka may be looking to get out of Texas.
This is from the UT reporter at the Austin American-Statesman:
Brian Davis @BDavisAAS
At the current count, Texas could lose 7 of the 11 players currently on the men's basketball roster.
What driving the departures? NBA? Transfers? Graduation? All of the above?
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 24, 2021, 12:41:26 PM
He moved away from Havoc at Texas and had Top-40 defenses.
Yep. Not concerned one bit about defense if Shaka is the choice. Offense is the concern. His offenses have been hit or miss. His defenses have been consistently good.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 24, 2021, 12:40:16 PM
Shaka might be a lot of smoke and mirrors.
"He's the perfect guy to follow Wojo." -- Mrs. Ellenson
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 24, 2021, 12:40:16 PM
Btw, the comments to that meme describe why Shaka might be a lot of smoke and mirrors.
A lot of people credit Will Wade as being the mastermind of the success that Shaka had at VCU, and talk about how Havoc isn't adaptable to high major play.
Well, I watched a lot of LSU games this year. And a lot of Texas games.
Watching both those teams play or attempt to play defense tells me Shaka was definitely the mastermind on that end.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 24, 2021, 12:56:16 PM
Well, I watched a lot of LSU games this year. And a lot of Texas games.
Watching both those teams play or attempt to play defense tells me Shaka was definitely the mastermind on that end.
I was gonna say...LSU's success has not been driven by defense the last several years.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 24, 2021, 12:40:16 PM
Btw, the comments to that meme describe why Shaka might be a lot of smoke and mirrors.
A lot of people credit Will Wade as being the mastermind of the success that Shaka had at VCU, and talk about how Havoc isn't adaptable to high major play.
Shaka's defenses have been good fairly consistently during his time at Texas while Will Wade's defenses have been pedestrian to outright bad. Different story on offense for sure, but defense is the least of my concern if Shaka were to come to mubb.
Quote from: MU82 on March 24, 2021, 12:55:13 PM
"He's the perfect guy to follow Wojo." -- Mrs. Ellenson
But what does momma Hauser say?
Quote from: LAZER on March 24, 2021, 12:54:08 PM
What driving the departures? NBA? Transfers? Graduation? All of the above?
All of the above. Two players already in the portal, two expected to declare for the draft (Kai Jones and Greg Brown) and three players graduating.
Not sure why but the rumors of Shaka to Marquette floating around kind of leave me feeling meh. I've really warmed to the idea of Moser.
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 24, 2021, 03:44:40 PM
Not sure why but the rumors of Shaka to Marquette floating around kind of leave me feeling meh. I've really warmed to the idea of Moser.
Yeah of the candidates I'd be pumped about (Beilein, Moser, Smith, Gates) Shaka is not one of them. He may do well and that'll be awesome I'll root for him but it's not a hire that screams "were better than what Wojo brought"
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 24, 2021, 03:48:55 PM
Yeah of the candidates I'd be pumped about (Beilein, Moser, Smith, Gates) Shaka is not one of them. He may do well and that'll be awesome I'll root for him but it's not a hire that screams "were better than what Wojo brought"
Maybe with some of the pressure of Texas off, Shaka can be himself.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 24, 2021, 03:48:55 PM
Yeah of the candidates I'd be pumped about (Beilein, Moser, Smith, Gates) Shaka is not one of them. He may do well and that'll be awesome I'll root for him but it's not a hire that screams "were better than what Wojo brought"
And those are?!?!?!
I am not saying I wouldn't be happy with either of them. But there is nothing about them definitively screams better than Wojo.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 24, 2021, 03:48:55 PM
Yeah of the candidates I'd be pumped about (Beilein, Moser, Smith, Gates) Shaka is not one of them. He may do well and that'll be awesome I'll root for him but it's not a hire that screams "were better than what Wojo brought"
I personally think Shaka is heads and shoulders above Wojo, but that's a low bar. I do think that an environment like Marquette will be a place he can thrive.
That said, I'll be excited with any of the ones on your list except for the baggage with Beilein (not a fan of the coach in waiting and the "personal reasons" surrounding his son).
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 24, 2021, 03:54:07 PM
And those are?!?!?!
I am not saying I wouldn't be happy with either of them. But there is nothing about them definitively screams better than Wojo.
Gates I'll give you there's nothing that's extremely definitive but I think Craig Smith is definitively better. He's won big at South Dakota, won big at Utah St, and won big in the NAIA.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 24, 2021, 03:54:07 PM
And those are?!?!?!
I am not saying I wouldn't be happy with either of them. But there is nothing about them definitively screams better than Wojo.
Craig Smith doesn't excite you at all? He builds teams, and gets them into the tournament. .763 winning percentage.
I'd be pretty amped if we got him. Of course he doesn't have the name recognition of Beilein or Shaka.
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 24, 2021, 03:44:40 PM
Not sure why but the rumors of Shaka to Marquette floating around kind of leave me feeling meh. I've really warmed to the idea of Moser.
I'm the complete opposite. Moser is meh and I've warmed to Shaka considerably.
I'm worried that recency bias clouds our judgement with Moser appearing to be much better than he is and Shaka appearing to be much worse than he is.
When I look at their total resumes and experience, I give Shaka the edge. Both have a Final Four on their resume, but Shaka has P6 experience and proven high major recruiting chops.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 24, 2021, 04:02:40 PM
Craig Smith doesn't excite you at all? He builds teams, and gets them into the tournament. .763 winning percentage.
I'd be pretty amped if we got him. Of course he doesn't have the name recognition of Beilein or Shaka.
Excite me more than Shaka?? No.
I am good with any body that has been legitimately rumored for MU.
And I find it completely reasonable if someone would rather we give the "high major chance" to guess like Smith and Gates rather than take someone who has floundered recently.
But Shaka definitely has more of a wow factor and a higher ceiling imo. I just can't say the great unknowns can be easily better than Wojo.
Was 100% in on Shaka right after they lost, but am starting to think Moser is the better fit. I'd be happy with any of the 5 or 6 candidates being mentioned though and recent hires across the country have tempered my expectations as to who MU can land. I fear we end up with option 7 (a name out of nowhere) though and we'll be left guess.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 24, 2021, 03:59:02 PM
Gates I'll give you there's nothing that's extremely definitive but I think Craig Smith is definitively better. He's won big at South Dakota, won big at Utah St, and won big in the NAIA.
Craig Smith is my top choice too, the guy is just a winner. I disagree on Shaka though. Texas and Marquette are wildly different places on many levels and I think it's unfair to assume Shaka wouldn't succeed at Marquette because of his record at Texas. His results at VCU, which is closer to Marquette than Texas IMO, give me enough of a belief to think Shaka would be an excellent hire here.
Quote from: Warrior2008 on March 24, 2021, 04:12:03 PM
Craig Smith is my top choice too, the guy is just a winner. I disagree on Shaka though. Texas and Marquette are wildly different places on many levels and I think it's unfair to assume Shaka wouldn't succeed at Marquette because of his record at Texas. His results at VCU, which is closer to Marquette than Texas IMO, give me enough of a belief to think Shaka would be an excellent hire here.
That's a fair take. Personally, I think his aggressive defense is what got him success and then they made freedom of movement rules and took away hand checking which sort of made Shaka's style against the rules.
But to be clear I wouldn't be against Shaka or upset. just of the candidates I'd be less enthusiastic with Shaka.
Quote from: Lazar's Headband on March 24, 2021, 04:04:53 PM
I'm worried that recency bias clouds our judgement with Moser appearing to be much better than he is and Shaka appearing to be much worse than he is.
When I look at their total resumes and experience, I give Shaka the edge. Both have a Final Four on their resume, but Shaka has P6 experience and proven high major recruiting chops.
You're possibly right about recency bias for most here. Speaking for myself, I was starting to warm up to Shaka and was only meh on Moser ... but then Texas got completely outplayed by a bunch of modestly talented Lilliputians. Meanwhile, Moser thoroughly outcoached Underwood as Loyola beat a 1-seed.
And yes, both have a Final Four on their resumes ... but Moser's is more recent by 7 years.
Totally agree about Shaka being a proven recruiter, though, and that's worth a lot.
I would totally support either, as well as Gates and Smith.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 24, 2021, 03:52:49 PM
Maybe with some of the pressure of Texas off, Shaka can be himself.
As I try to psych myself back up for Shaka, I keep coming back to this, too. He had his dalliance with the alleged "big time," and he might be both humbled and ready to kick arse at a place like Marquette.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 24, 2021, 04:17:38 PM
That's a fair take. Personally, I think his aggressive defense is what got him success and then they made freedom of movement rules and took away hand checking which sort of made Shaka's style against the rules.
But to be clear I wouldn't be against Shaka or upset. just of the candidates I'd be less enthusiastic with Shaka.
I don't think defense has been Shaka's main problem at Texas. Granted maybe I'm just more impressed by Top 40 defenses than I should be after the Wojo era.
Feels more akin to baseball where one often hears "he just needs a fresh start somewhere else to be productive again."
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 24, 2021, 03:52:49 PM
Maybe with some of the pressure of Texas off, Shaka can be himself.
If you can't take the heat...
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 24, 2021, 04:02:40 PM
Craig Smith doesn't excite you at all? He builds teams, and gets them into the tournament. .763 winning percentage.
I'd be pretty amped if we got him. Of course he doesn't have the name recognition of Beilein or Shaka.
Craig's Smith's head coaching experience has occurred at schools located in North Dakota, South Dakota, and Utah. Although, he's taken teams to the NCAA tournament twice, he's lost both games by an average margin of 14.5 points.
Furthermore, Smith only has 2 years of experience at a high major which was when he was an assistant at Nebraska to Tim Miles in the early part of the last decade.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 24, 2021, 01:03:28 PM
But what does momma Hauser say?
She's too busy writing another letter to Coach Izzo to talk.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 24, 2021, 04:20:53 PM
I don't think defense has been Shaka's main problem at Texas. Granted maybe I'm just more impressed by Top 40 defenses than I should be after the Wojo era.
Right. Shaka has had good defenses his whole career. He's clearly adapted to life after Havoc. I don't understand that concern with him.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 24, 2021, 04:17:38 PM
That's a fair take. Personally, I think his aggressive defense is what got him success and then they made freedom of movement rules and took away hand checking which sort of made Shaka's style against the rules.
But to be clear I wouldn't be against Shaka or upset. just of the candidates I'd be less enthusiastic with Shaka.
Defense is what most encourages me about Shaka. It wasn't rule changes that stopped Havoc but rather he changed styles going to Texas. At VCU, he had a large edge in raw athleticism so something frenetic really worked well. In the Big 12, that advantage was muted so he went more conventional. Through it all, he has never had an Adjusted Defensive Efficiency outside the top-40. He even brought in Luke Yaklich as an assistant.
What I like is he's through a major style change, he maintained success. And while successful, he still brought in someone regarded as a defensive expert. I like leaders that are willing to bring in people that will potentially challenge them even on their strengths.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 24, 2021, 04:34:02 PM
Defense is what most encourages me about Shaka. It wasn't rule changes that stopped Havoc but rather he changed styles going to Texas. At VCU, he had a large edge in raw athleticism so something frenetic really worked well. In the Big 12, that advantage was muted so he went more conventional. Through it all, he has never had an Adjusted Defensive Efficiency outside the top-40. He even brought in Luke Yaklich as an assistant.
What I like is he's through a major style change, he maintained success. And while successful, he still brought in someone regarded as a defensive expert. I like leaders that are willing to bring in people that will potentially challenge them even on their strengths.
Gotcha, I honestly didn't follow his post Done deal career but assumed the rule change was a big factor into the lack of success. Didn't realize he adapted so well. Mea culpa scoop fam
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 24, 2021, 04:17:38 PM
But to be clear I wouldn't be against Shaka or upset. just of the candidates I'd be less enthusiastic with Shaka.
WHAT?!?! This is an internet fan board, you need to be outraged if Shaka is the next coach. You need to have an agenda.
Think this crop of candidates is better than post-Buzz. Now watch them hire Archie Miller 😉
Shaka just needs to shave his head again and he will be fine.
Quote from: Warrior2008 on March 24, 2021, 04:12:03 PM
Craig Smith is my top choice too, the guy is just a winner. I disagree on Shaka though. Texas and Marquette are wildly different places on many levels and I think it's unfair to assume Shaka wouldn't succeed at Marquette because of his record at Texas. His results at VCU, which is closer to Marquette than Texas IMO, give me enough of a belief to think Shaka would be an excellent hire here.
Craig Smith is my top choice to. But he's not leaving Utah State. There has been ZERO interest from his camp.
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on March 24, 2021, 04:58:29 PM
Craig Smith is my top choice to. But he's not leaving Utah State. There has been ZERO interest from his camp.
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He doesn't have to leave. Something to be said about waiting for the right job for him
All I know is, we have a better crop of candidates than we did last time. That is encouraging. While I have my preferences, I'm optimistic any of the names consistently mentioned would do better than their predecessor at very least.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 24, 2021, 05:04:52 PM
All I know is, we have a better crop of candidates than we did last time. That is encouraging. While I have my preferences, I'm optimistic any of the names consistently mentioned would do better than their predecessor at very least.
Respect the process, hey?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 24, 2021, 05:04:52 PM
All I know is, we have a better crop of candidates than we did last time. That is encouraging. While I have my preferences, I'm optimistic any of the names consistently mentioned would do better than their predecessor at very least.
Totally agree. My top preferences are Gates, Smith or Moser (the order varies by the day)...but I believe even Shaka would be an upgrade.
I am optimistic we will be in a better place within a couple of years.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 24, 2021, 04:42:22 PM
Think this crop of candidates is better than post-Buzz. Now watch them hire Archie Miller 😉
Could definitely see Archie being the next coach.
TAMU
We definitely have a better field of candidates and I think any of the top 3-4 would be great news. While Shaka is my guy, I will be happy if we get one of the mentioned names. Only concern, is getting behind the eight ball and ending up with one of the non frontrunners. Dominoes fall quickly, like our last go around, and I hope they do not let grass under their feet. Little voice in my head says Moser the leader in the clubhouse and that worries me in regards to how long it could take.
Quote from: blue and gold on March 24, 2021, 04:22:39 PM
Craig's Smith's head coaching experience has occurred at schools located in North Dakota, South Dakota, and Utah. Although, he's taken teams to the NCAA tournament twice, he's lost both games by an average margin of 14.5 points.
Furthermore, Smith only has 2 years of experience at a high major which was when he was an assistant at Nebraska to Tim Miles in the early part of the last decade.
This sounds like you're trying to talk yourself out of Craig Smith. From your post history, I can tell you're new around here and very enamored with Mr Moser.
If you want to compare their accomplishments, by all means. Recruiting kids to go play out in ND, SD, and Utah is probably a bit harder than recruiting players to play in Chicago. They're both proven coaches, and we should be have to have either of them as our next coach.
Quote from: Lazar's Headband on March 24, 2021, 04:04:53 PM
I'm the complete opposite. Moser is meh and I've warmed to Shaka considerably.
I'm worried that recency bias clouds our judgement with Moser appearing to be much better than he is and Shaka appearing to be much worse than he is.
When I look at their total resumes and experience, I give Shaka the edge. Both have a Final Four on their resume, but Shaka has P6 experience and proven high major recruiting chops.
I'm definitely guilty of recency bias but watching Moser coach his team out of a huge early deficit vs Tech then come up with a brilliant gameplan vs IL was enough to convince me. Otoh watching that uninspired UT team lose to a vastly inferior team soured me a bit on Shaka
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 24, 2021, 06:20:41 PM
I'm definitely guilty of recency bias but watching Moser coach his team out of a huge early deficit vs Tech then come up with a brilliant gameplan vs IL was enough to convince me. Otoh watching that uninspired UT team lose to a vastly inferior team soured me a bit on Shaka
And IMHO it's totally reasonable to think this way.
We had Wojo ... and even in his good years, the ones capped by NCAAT appearances, he cr@pped the bed at the end. So here we see the brilliant Shaka Smart ... and he goes out and loses in the first round to an Abilene Christian team that wasn't half as good as the Murray State and South Carolina teams Wojo lost to.
So sure, it's recency bias. And human nature. But it's also common sense. We - all of us, including Scholl - have said a bazillion times we want somebody who's gonna win NCAAT games. Of Moser and Shaka, only one has done that in the last 8 years. And the one who has can count Final Four and Sweet 16 appearances on his ledger.
Like TAMU, brew and others have said, that doesn't mean you dismiss the overall body of work for either guy. Most of us could make a very nice argument for Shaka - several Scoopers have.
But I think it's totally fair to look at what Marquette fans have just spent 7 years watching ... look at what happened to Shaka's team last week ... look back at his previous 7 seasons too ... and say, "Really?"
Quote from: Goose on March 24, 2021, 05:47:39 PM
TAMU
We definitely have a better field of candidates and I think any of the top 3-4 would be great news. While Shaka is my guy, I will be happy if we get one of the mentioned names. Only concern, is getting behind the eight ball and ending up with one of the non frontrunners. Dominoes fall quickly, like our last go around, and I hope they do not let grass under their feet. Little voice in my head says Moser the leader in the clubhouse and that worries me in regards to how long it could take.
The real question is will MU pay up for a HC? None of the names thrown around will come cheap. Part of me thinks another assistant could be likely. Some chatter of Dwayne Stephens at MSU.
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 24, 2021, 08:15:32 PM
The real question is will MU pay up for a HC? None of the names thrown around will come cheap. Part of me thinks another assistant could be likely. Some chatter of Dwayne Stephens at MSU.
Are they nuts? Hiring another coach who has been an assistant for 15+ years on the same staff sounds like the worst idea possible.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 24, 2021, 08:17:50 PM
Are they nuts? Hiring another coach who has been an assistant for 15+ years on the same staff sounds like the worst idea possible.
Hopefully just due diligence while buying time
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 24, 2021, 08:15:32 PM
The real question is will MU pay up for a HC? None of the names thrown around will come cheap. Part of me thinks another assistant could be likely. Some chatter of Dwayne Stephens at MSU.
Good god no. With all respect to Dwayne, all this talk and then hiring a 50 year old career assistant who has spent nearly all his time within the MSU umbrella would be a nightmare. Make Ben Johnson at Minnesota's hiring look like a slam dunk. I'd rather have Crean back.
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 24, 2021, 08:15:32 PM
The real question is will MU pay up for a HC? None of the names thrown around will come cheap. Part of me thinks another assistant could be likely. Some chatter of Dwayne Stephens at MSU.
I doubt any assistants are being considered. I also think they could get Gates cheaper than Wojo. The others I think will be in the same neighborhood
The Athletic had an article about Kai Jones going pro and hiring an agent. In the "What's next for Texas" segment, the writer said:
The loss of Jones is a hit to the Texas frontcourt, but an expected one. The Longhorns will lose Jericho Sims, Jones and likely Greg Brown up front. Kamaka Hepa is the player most likely to benefit from this decision. Hepa, who played in only nine games and basically treated this season like a redshirt year, should be in line to start.
Don't be surprised to see Texas go to more of a small-ball option at the 4 with either Jase Febres or Brock Cunningham. Other options will be incoming freshmen David Joplin or Keeyan Itejere. Shaka Smart could also look to the transfer portal to restock up front.
Didn't say boo about Shaka possibly leaving for Marquette or elsewhere, or possibly getting fired. Not a word. Just routinely wrote what Smart might do next at Texas. And The Athletic is usually fairly plugged in. How 'bout that?
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 24, 2021, 08:15:32 PM
The real question is will MU pay up for a HC? None of the names thrown around will come cheap. Part of me thinks another assistant could be likely. Some chatter of Dwayne Stephens at MSU.
Hard. Pass.
Quote from: MU82 on March 25, 2021, 08:48:35 AM
The Athletic had an article about Kai Jones going pro and hiring an agent. In the "What's next for Texas" segment, the writer said:
The loss of Jones is a hit to the Texas frontcourt, but an expected one. The Longhorns will lose Jericho Sims, Jones and likely Greg Brown up front. Kamaka Hepa is the player most likely to benefit from this decision. Hepa, who played in only nine games and basically treated this season like a redshirt year, should be in line to start.
Don't be surprised to see Texas go to more of a small-ball option at the 4 with either Jase Febres or Brock Cunningham. Other options will be incoming freshmen David Joplin or Keeyan Itejere. Shaka Smart could also look to the transfer portal to restock up front.
Didn't say boo about Shaka possibly leaving for Marquette or elsewhere, or possibly getting fired. Not a word. Just routinely wrote what Smart might do next at Texas. And The Athletic is usually fairly plugged in. How 'bout that?
its a shame Joplin got away. Brookfield product. Did well vs Baldwin (same conf). Will be a stud. Not sure if Woj offered him. Mute point now, I suppose.
Quote from: Marq3332 on March 25, 2021, 09:03:29 AM
its a shame Joplin got away. Brookfield product. Did well vs Baldwin (same conf). Will be a stud. Not sure if Woj offered him. Mute point now, I suppose.
Before all this is over, he may be available.
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 24, 2021, 08:15:32 PM
The real question is will MU pay up for a HC? None of the names thrown around will come cheap. Part of me thinks another assistant could be likely. Some chatter of Dwayne Stephens at MSU.
Yeah that's 1000% not happening.