As mentioned in another thread I grew up down the street from Porter Moser and also went to Benet Academy (a big Marquette feeder school) with him although he was two years older than me.
It's all good on Porter. He was a high school stud who was the star of the basketball team who was well built so he never lacked attention from girls or had sand kicked in his face. However in spite of this he was always a real nice guy who would walk the school halls and always smile and nod to everyone.
He was a very good outside shooter and played defense pretty well too but he wasn't amazingly athletic nor did he really ever create his own shot well so at 6'2+/- it was Creighton as a preferred walk-on I believe.
His grandfather, Harold Moser, was Naperville royalty who was a dynamic entrepreneur who built houses and also owned a lumberyard.
We both attended Ray Meyer Basketball Camp during the DePaul heyday of the early 1980's when DePaul was always in the top 10 in national rankings before losing the first or second game of every NCAA tournament. I specifically remember one summer Al McGuire (who was tight with Ray and Joey) came up for a weekend to film a halftime piece for NBC sports to be aired during the season.
The rest of his story we know with his mentee/mentor relationship with Rick Majerus at St. Louis and the success he's had at Loyola. So obviously very engrained with Midwest Jesuit Universities.
About two years ago I saw him at a Benet family wake and talked to him some saying how proud we were of him and that I went to Loyola too (for my MBA). I also told him I went to Marquette undergrad and said I hoped he would strongly consider us if the job opened up... he just laughed and said Wojo would never leave.
He's now 52+/- so he knows he's not going to be getting too many job offers for major programs going forward as a lot of programs prefer younger coaches who are willing to take on the rigors of recruiting that a lot of older coaches don't care for.
So Marquette makes an awful lot of sense for both him and us and have no doubt he'd take the job if offered.
Thanks for the personal history lesson that no one asked for.
Quote from: duanewade on March 20, 2021, 12:43:16 PM
As mentioned in another thread I grew up down the street from Porter Moser and also went to Benet Academy (a big Marquette feeder school) with him although he was two years older than me.
It's all good on Porter. He was a high school stud who was the star of the basketball team who was well built so he never lacked attention from girls or had sand kicked in his face. However in spite of this he was always a real nice guy who would walk the school halls and always smile and nod to everyone.
He was a very good outside shooter and played defense pretty well too but he wasn't amazingly athletic nor did he really ever create his own shot well so at 6'2+/- it was Creighton as a preferred walk-on I believe.
His grandfather, Harold Moser, was Naperville royalty who was a dynamic entrepreneur who built houses and also owned a lumberyard.
We both attended Ray Meyer Basketball Camp during the DePaul heyday of the early 1980's when DePaul was always in the top 10 in national rankings before losing the first or second game of every NCAA tournament. I specifically remember one summer Al McGuire (who was tight with Ray and Joey) came up for a weekend to film a halftime piece for NBC sports to be aired during the season.
The rest of his story we know with his mentee/mentor relationship with Rick Majerus at St. Louis and the success he's had at Loyola. So obviously very engrained with Midwest Jesuit Universities.
About two years ago I saw him at Benet family wake and talked to him some saying how proud we were of him and that I went to Loyola too (for my MBA). I also told him I went to Marquette undergrad and said I hoped he would strongly consider us if the job opened up... he just laughed and said Wojo would never leave.
He's now 52+/- so he knows he's not going to be getting too many job offers for major programs going forward as a lot of programs prefer younger coaches who are willing to take on the rigors of recruiting that a lot of older coaches don't care for.
So Marquette makes an awful lot of sense for both him and us and have no doubt he'd take the job if offered.
A good story. It provided additional insight on Moser. Thank you.
Thanks Wade. Whatever...I think it's a cool story and appreciate it. Sounds like a very good option and given his experience I think he beats out a number of candidates discussed on this board.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 20, 2021, 12:46:17 PM
Thanks for the personal history lesson that no one asked for.
C'mon Man. The guy is just trying to share some personal background on the guy. Nothing wrong with that. And is likely to be appreciated by some who are interested in learning more about a potential candidate.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 20, 2021, 12:46:17 PM
Thanks for the personal history lesson that no one asked for.
Thank you for the crappy comment that no one asked for.
I heard Moser interviewed on the Score a couple of weeks and would love to have a beer with him and get his take on who he thinks MU should hire.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 20, 2021, 12:46:17 PM
Thanks for the personal history lesson that no one asked for.
When's the last time anyone has "asked for" anything on this board?
Quote from: mujivitz06 on March 20, 2021, 01:00:57 PM
When's the last time anyone has "asked for" anything on this board?
I specifically asked for Mbakwe expressions, haikus, and Arby's jokes.
Thanks for writing this. It confirms the impression I have had regarding Porter Moser. He sounds like the type of guy who is willing to learn and not let his ego get in the way of that. There has been a lot of criticism about his coaching record over the past 17 years or so. I think he learned from his mistakes and made the necessary changes. This is exactly what our Dukie Golden Boy could never, ever do.
He has won a lot in recent years. That, to me, is what I think we should be focusing on. Look at Loyola's rankings on defense, their ranking in the top 25 poll. Look at appearances in two tourneys and, even after considering the unusual number of upsets in their region, their appearance in a Final Four.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 20, 2021, 12:46:17 PM
Thanks for the personal history lesson that no one asked for.
Wow, now I know who the jerk store will be looking for when they call
Appreciate the info on Moser. Sounds like a legitimately decent guy.
He still wouldn't be my #1 choice, but he wouldn't be the worst hire either.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 20, 2021, 12:56:59 PM
C'mon Man. The guy is just trying to share some personal background on the guy. Nothing wrong with that. And is likely to be appreciated by some who are interested in learning more about a potential candidate.
He has started like 3 threads about the guy saying the same thing in each. Let's talk about how the guy is or is not a good coach.
If being a good person has anything to do with who we hire, then we should have kept wojo, right?
Quote from: Goose on March 20, 2021, 01:00:18 PM
I heard Moser interviewed on the Score a couple of weeks and would love to have a beer with him and get his take on who he thinks MU should hire.
What would the beer choice be? Leiney, Pabst, Blatz, Spotted Cow or perhaps an exotic like San Miguel which one can barely find.
Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on March 20, 2021, 12:58:55 PM
Thank you for the crappy comment that no one asked for.
You'd know plenty about that, so all I can say is that, you're welcome!
Crazy stat - Moser's Loyola teams have been in the NCAA's twice and won both opening round games. So far, those teams are 5-1 in the NCAA's.
Quote from: warriorfred on March 20, 2021, 01:15:50 PM
Crazy stat - Moser's Loyola teams have been in the NCAA's twice and won both opening round games. So far, those teams are 5-1 in the NCAA's.
He's 2-2 in NCAA first round games in a decade of coaching Loyola. Not sure how that's crazy. It's like people being like "wow, Moser is 3-0 in the NCAAs as a HC" when they won in the S16. Honestly doesn't reflect super positively
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 20, 2021, 12:46:17 PM
Thanks for the personal history lesson that no one asked for.
I'm not high on Moser but even I appreciated this story.
Kind of half-joking, it's been so long since Marquette won a NCCA Tournament game that 2 first-round wins seems like wild success. Also, it represents a sad commentary on the Wojo era.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 20, 2021, 01:20:47 PM
He's 2-2 in NCAA first round games in a decade of coaching Loyola. Not sure how that's crazy. It's like people being like "wow, Moser is 3-0 in the NCAAs as a HC" when they won in the S16. Honestly doesn't reflect super positively
Yeah man, this is what I don't get. I think a lot of people are talking themselves into Moser because of recency bias. His lifetime head coaching record is just over .500. He has been fired from mid majors as well. Is he having a great couple of years at Loyola? Of course, but I worry that we might be buying a guy at ATH.
Having said that, I'd be okay with giving him a go. Not at the top of my list, but acceptable.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 20, 2021, 01:31:24 PM
I'm not high on Moser but even I appreciated this story.
Yeah I think it's more about me being cranky lately. I apologize to OP.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 20, 2021, 12:46:17 PM
Thanks for the personal history lesson that no one asked for.
Looks like someone was never loved by his mother.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 20, 2021, 01:07:25 PM
He has started like 3 threads about the guy saying the same thing in each. Let's talk about how the guy is or is not a good coach.
If being a good person has anything to do with who we hire, then we should have kept wojo, right?
I didn't say anything about a good person.
And since you mentioned the good person angle, are you on board with a Pitino hire who we know can coach but is likely not areal good person.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 20, 2021, 01:32:45 PM
Yeah man, this is what I don't get. I think a lot of people are talking themselves into Moser because of recency bias. His lifetime head coaching record is just over .500. He has been fired from mid majors as well. Is he having a great couple of years at Loyola? Of course, but I worry that we might be buying a guy at ATH.
Having said that, I'd be okay with giving him a go. Not at the top of my list, but acceptable.
Yep. The buying at ATH is my fear too. People here, even in favor of him, have worried about him recruiting at a high level. Which is totally fair...but to me that's even worse when you add in his slow methodical style.
Tony Bennett, in 12 years at UVA, has only landed 5 top 50 guys. And only 2 of those were in his first 7 years. And Moser isn't Tony Bennett.
When you win, all is good, but struggling to score 60 points with no top 75 recruits on the horizon is a tough sell if they hire Moser doesn't hit the ground running.
Fun fact, Moser was committed to play at Marquette in 86 but MU pulled his scholly.
That's how he ended up as a walk-on at Creighton.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 20, 2021, 01:44:42 PM
Fun fact, Moser was committed to play at Marquette in 86 but MU pulled his scholly.
That's how he ended up as a walk-on at Creighton.
Interesting.
Musta been because we had so much talent in the late 80s....
Quote from: willie warrior on March 20, 2021, 01:41:14 PM
I didn't say anything about a good person.
And since you mentioned the good person angle, are you on board with a Pitino hire who we know can coach but is likely not areal good person.
Pitino can suck turds, he doesn't belong here, and has zero chance of being our coach.
What does Moser's tie to Creighton look like? Don't want to give someone their dream job only to figure out they have another slightly more dream job.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 20, 2021, 01:47:35 PM
Pitino can suck turds, he doesn't belong here, and has zero chance of being our coach.
I think you are right
https://youtube.com/v/1cxcJB8kC9o
Defense. You and your crazy ideas.
Do Porter's teams slap the floor?
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 20, 2021, 02:22:12 PM
Do Porter's teams slap the floor?
No, but they have perfected slaps of five.
Quote from: warriorfred on March 20, 2021, 01:03:45 PM
I specifically asked for Mbakwe expressions, haikus, and Arby's jokes.
Joking about Arbys will get you...
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Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on March 20, 2021, 02:51:19 PM
Joking about Arbys will get you...
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My boss once gave me an Arby's calendar and told me the coupons were my bonus. Guess you had to be there.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 20, 2021, 01:54:27 PM
I think you are right
He has zero chance of being at MU but he would be the far superior choice to whoever they do pick.
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Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 20, 2021, 01:47:26 PM
Interesting.
Musta been because we had so much talent in the late 80s....
Ha, that wasn't it.
In terms of evaluating Porter, I'd look more to what he built at Loyola rather than overall career record. He got his first head job very young at Ark Little Rock I believe. Did well there and was seen as a hot shot up and comer. IL State was in bad shape and had lousy resources when he took over. That was humbling and led to his time with Majerus at St. Louis where he learned a lot and was much better prepared for the opportunity at Loyola.
He was a good guy back in HS as a star player, and has stayed the same guy with growth through some tough times from what I've heard from people close to him.
I love the way his teams play. My only question would be recruiting on BE level, but he is a pretty charismatic guy who has had recent success so I would think the opportunities Marquette presents would lead to good results. We could do a lot worse.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 20, 2021, 02:23:58 PM
No, but they have perfected slaps of five.
Do they practice free throws?
Quote from: warriorfred on March 20, 2021, 03:12:08 PM
My boss once gave me an Arby's calendar and told me the coupons were my bonus. Guess you had to be there.
I wasn't there, but I still find that pretty funny.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 20, 2021, 02:17:33 PM
https://youtube.com/v/1cxcJB8kC9o
Oh man this video is great thank you for posting
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on March 20, 2021, 04:52:46 PM
Oh man this video is great thank you for posting
If you know Rick, that's his defense. So nuanced.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 20, 2021, 04:59:39 PM
If you know Rick, that's his defense. So nuanced.
Agreed. Has me drooling. Would love to watch 30+ games of that every year
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 20, 2021, 12:46:17 PM
Thanks for the personal history lesson that no one asked for.
harsh, bro
Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on March 20, 2021, 12:58:55 PM
Thank you for the crappy comment that no one asked for.
Ding, Ding, Ding, winner winner-----chicken dinner!
So, are we only supposed to judge Moser since he's been at Loyola? Or only since the final four?
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 20, 2021, 09:05:53 PM
So, are we only supposed to judge Moser since he's been at Loyola? Or only since the final four?
His time at Illinois State raises eyebrows, but there are many conflicting stories on the state the program during his time there. The 4 years at SLU with Majerus had to help.
He's been at Loyola for 8 seasons, with 6 winning seasons, The last 4 years have been Final 4, NIT, Nothing (but 2d in the MVC), and this year, 2d round of the NCAAs . . . maybe more. He has consistent winning records.
Moser's last 4 years at Loyola have been a success, If Wojo had similar success would be on a short list to replace Coach K (not saying Wojo would be selected, but he would be in the discussion).
I think it should be a package deal: Moser as coach; Sister Jean as the new President of MU.
I'd take Porter Moser as our next coach in a heartbeat. He took a small Jesuit school to the Final Four and has them super competitive again this year. His squad plays smart, team-focused ball. And remember, Buzz was a failed HC at New Orleans and that didn't seem to hold him back at MU
Quote from: MarquetteVol on March 20, 2021, 10:21:33 PM
I'd take Porter Moser as our next coach in a heartbeat. He took a small Jesuit school to the Final Four and has them super competitive again this year. His squad plays smart, team-focused ball. And remember, Buzz was a failed HC at New Orleans and that didn't seem to hold him back at MU
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He's a Majerus disciple that's taken a small Jesuit school to the final 4. That's all I need to hear.
Quote from: ChitownMoser on March 20, 2021, 01:44:42 PM
Fun fact, Moser was committed to play at Marquette in 86 but MU pulled his scholly.
That's how he ended up as a walk-on at Creighton.
Marquette pulled his scholarship
Marquette ran off his mentor
Moser has already turned down St. John's mega offer
Moser seems really happy at Loyola
If MU is interested the sniff test tells me the feeling won't be mutual.
For those who know how these things work, how common are "informal" conversations while the tournament is still ongoing? Assuming for the sake or argument that Moser will at least be one of Marquette's targets, what is likely to happen in the five days between games for Loyola? Nothing at all? Speaking through a proxy? Full-on interviews? If you'd rather, feel free to convert the questions to a generic school and a generic potential coach. Five days can be a looooong time in this context, and I'd imagine that a school wouldn't want to wait that long only to learn that the target has no interest or is interested in another open position.
Quote from: MarquetteVol on March 20, 2021, 10:21:33 PM
I'd take Porter Moser as our next coach in a heartbeat. He took a small Jesuit school to the Final Four and has them super competitive again this year. His squad plays smart, team-focused ball. And remember, Buzz was a failed HC at New Orleans and that didn't seem to hold him back at MU
I think that "small" Jesuit school is bigger than Marquette.
When my wife was MS/MBA from Loyola back in 90's.....The graduation class was certainly not even close to the size of MU.....
Quote from: burger on March 22, 2021, 09:16:10 AM
When my wife was MS/MBA from Loyola back in 90's.....The graduation class was certainly not even close to the size of MU.....
>17,000 students at LUC
Approx 12,000 at MU
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 22, 2021, 09:10:23 AM
For those who know how these things work, how common are "informal" conversations while the tournament is still ongoing? Assuming for the sake or argument that Moser will at least be one of Marquette's targets, what is likely to happen in the five days between games for Loyola? Nothing at all? Speaking through a proxy? Full-on interviews? If you'd rather, feel free to convert the questions to a generic school and a generic potential coach. Five days can be a looooong time in this context, and I'd imagine that a school wouldn't want to wait that long only to learn that the target has no interest or is interested in another open position.
I have similar thoughts on this. My guess is that Moser's agent is busy with evaluating offers and knows Moser well enough to negotiate a proposed contract that could be on a "mutual understanding/agreement " basis, awaiting final details and a signature shortly after Loyola is out of the tourney.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 22, 2021, 09:29:24 AM
I have similar thoughts on this. My guess is that Moser's agent is busy with evaluating offers and knows Moser well enough to negotiate a proposed contract that could be on a "mutual understanding/agreement " basis, awaiting final details and a signature shortly after Loyola is out of the tourney.
Gotta be the case. I imaging it's offers into his agent, sketched out from all options (including a new contract at Loyola), racked & stacked, ready to move quickly on the most preferred within days of their tourney exit. I hope MU is it!
Quote from: Donnybrook on March 22, 2021, 09:03:10 AM
Marquette pulled his scholarship
Marquette ran off his mentor
Moser has already turned down St. John's mega offer
Moser seems really happy at Loyola
If MU is interested the sniff test tells me the feeling won't be mutual.
As Buzz said, "don't mess with happy". Always been one of my core values. As a young man I didn't know about that saying.
Quote from: burger on March 22, 2021, 09:16:10 AM
When my wife was MS/MBA from Loyola back in 90's.....The graduation class was certainly not even close to the size of MU.....
Guessin' that MBA wasn't focusing on accounting, aina?
They changed it mid time she was going there from MS to MBA in "Organizational Development"......AKA......HR.......Who knows why.....
I think a harder school than DePaul......Pretty easy.....vs. Marquette......Much harder in some disciplines....Somewhere in between.....But her Master's was above my pay grade.....
On the subject at hand.....Let this play out.....If he is the "fit".....It will work out shortly after Loyola is out.....Everybody needs to just "be silent"....."Respect for all sides".....
My opinion with no outside info......We will have an "impressive" coach in the next couple of weeks.....
Quote from: Donnybrook on March 22, 2021, 09:03:10 AM
Marquette pulled his scholarship
Marquette ran off his mentor
Moser has already turned down St. John's mega offer
Moser seems really happy at Loyola
If MU is interested the sniff test tells me the feeling won't be mutual.
Goodman also reported Moser "covets" the MU job.
We should offer it to Moser and then revoke the offer just like the scholarship
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 22, 2021, 11:40:34 AM
We should offer it to Moser and then revoke the offer just like the scholarship
If Bob Dukiet didn't want Porter, maybe that should add a feather in his cap this time?
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 22, 2021, 11:49:04 AM
If Bob Dukiet didn't want Porter, maybe that should add a feather in his cap this time?
Ha, probably true. Majerus wanted him, Dukiet didn't.
Quote from: DienerTime34 on March 22, 2021, 11:34:59 AM
Goodman also reported Moser "covets" the MU job.
If I remember correctly it seemed like Buzz always used Goodman's leaked reports as a bargaining chip with MU.
Maybe it was Crean.
Hope that's not the case here.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 22, 2021, 11:40:34 AM
We should offer it to Moser and then revoke the offer just like the scholarship
Well played.
Have to think that the MU job is perfect for Moser. Heck he doesn't have to even uproot his family and move if he doesn't want to.
Way more resources, way more money and really not that much pressure. We kept Wojo for 7 years so just 1 Sweet 16 run should buy him 10 years minimum. A P6 conference without the pressure and other than Jay Wright, he probably becomes the second best coach in the conference. Its the perfect job for him. In fact, if he turned down MU, I would have to question his smarts.
Its going to be Moser unless a coach blows Scholl away with an incredible interview.
Quote from: burger on March 22, 2021, 11:18:55 AM
On the subject at hand.....Let this play out.....If he is the "fit".....It will work out shortly after Loyola is out.....Everybody needs to just "be silent"....."Respect for all sides".....
RESPECT THE PROCESS!!