Saw on MU Barstool Instagram that a driving billboard is on MU's campus today calling for Wojo to be fired:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CMkNsvsnPEK/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link BBB (https://www.instagram.com/p/CMkNsvsnPEK/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link%20BBB)
Beautiful
Wow
It's not going to be good for anyone if/when Wojo stays next year. We will either have empty seats at Fiserv or the fans that are there will be booing the team/Wojo.
Ultimately, with the noise getting loud today in March, the school cannot ignorantly claim that they are confident in next year and the direction. The fans and alumni are speaking. If they choose not to listen, it is on school leadership and athletic department, which could affect their roles at the school.
wow. this story has wheels...
perhaps we should get this thread shut down like the previous one was for the good of the program!
Quote from: BigWilly77 on March 18, 2021, 12:36:17 PM
Saw on MU Barstool Instagram that a driving billboard is on MU's campus today calling for Wojo to be fired:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CMkNsvsnPEK/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link BBB (https://www.instagram.com/p/CMkNsvsnPEK/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link%20BBB)
Who slapped that together? It looks so amateur.
The longer this goes on, the more you have to question the competency of decision makers.
PT, CS and AE put out a well researched, well written article that lays out the anti-Wojo case nicely.
Barstool buys a mobile billboard that is so lame that it probably does more harm than good to those who want Wojo gone.
Two steps forward, one step back...
dangit, gave a Barstool site a click. Put up warnings, geez.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 18, 2021, 12:51:34 PM
Barstool buys a mobile billboard that is so lame that it probably does more harm than good to those who want Wojo gone.
Must have gotten a deal with the blownout pixels.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 18, 2021, 12:44:19 PM
Who slapped that together? It looks so amateur.
Well it likely wasn't a major advertising firm. Probably just a couple fans that kicked in a few hundred bucks each. I don't think it being a glistening aesthetic dream would be any more impactful.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 18, 2021, 12:51:34 PM
PT, CS and AE put out a well researched, well written article that lays out the anti-Wojo case nicely.
Barstool buys a mobile billboard that is so lame that it probably does more harm than good to those who want Wojo gone.
Two steps forward, one step back...
Thats just the IG account posting it. Which is just essentially a campus specific viral account.
Quote from: jficke13 on March 18, 2021, 12:52:31 PM
dangit, gave a Barstool site a click. Put up warnings, geez.
No you didn't. Its an IG account. You gave some random Marquette student who runs the account a view on his video. Relax
Clones, no down side. Who knows, maybe set-up by a couple light-on -funds students. Good to know the frustration with the destruction of a proud basketball program is gaining steam.
My nephew who is a sophomore said that he heard Delta Chi put up the money for it.
Quote from: BigWilly77 on March 18, 2021, 01:06:09 PM
My nephew who is a sophomore said that he heard Delta Chi put up the money for it.
It would be Delta Chi...
Love it. Well done to whoever made this happen.
Quote from: BigWilly77 on March 18, 2021, 01:06:09 PM
My nephew who is a sophomore said that he heard Delta Chi put up the money for it.
For a second, I thought this was referring to Wojo's buyout. It's great though and this, along with the article, helps force the higher ups to at least address it or make a statement which they absolutely would not have otherwise.
I'm very much looking forward to when people stop using "Make ____ Great Again" for stuff. Is it that hard to come up with your own slogan?
Quote from: Warrior Code on March 18, 2021, 01:15:58 PM
I'm very much looking forward to when people stop using "Make ____ Great Again" for stuff. Is it that hard to come up with your own slogan?
Was "Marquette Strong" taken???
Quote from: Warrior Code on March 18, 2021, 01:15:58 PM
I'm very much looking forward to when people stop using "Make ____ Great Again" for stuff. Is it that hard to come up with your own slogan?
Make Slogans Great Again.
Keep MU Hoops Alive!
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 18, 2021, 01:23:29 PM
Dick Strong Again?
The Dick Strong years were pretty good years. Don't know if we can get that up again.
Who cares if it looks low rent? As many people putting pressure on the admin, from as many different places as possible, is a good thing. Let's keep making noise. As fans, it's all we can do.
Uh Oh! Using that slogan just might get Marquette Basketball canceled.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 18, 2021, 01:33:20 PM
Who cares if it looks low rent? As many people putting pressure on the admin, from as many different places as possible, is a good thing. Let's keep making noise. As fans, it's all we can do.
Quality implies that it isn't just a couple of kooks that were bored on a Wednesday afternoon sixteen beers into a case.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 18, 2021, 01:45:31 PM
Quality implies that it isn't just a couple of kooks that were bored on a Wednesday afternoon sixteen beers into a case.
Freeway still around? The quality would suggest he was a part of this.
WHAT do you think about WOJOOOH?
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 18, 2021, 01:45:31 PM
Quality implies that it isn't just a couple of kooks that were bored on a Wednesday afternoon sixteen beers into a case.
It's also better than nothing, and if the rumors on here are to be believed, it was students who did it, so the low quality is understandable.
From Scholl's statement in the CS article, I get the strong sense that the administration was simply not going to address anything if the fans didn't make noise. They seem to be caught pretty off guard by all this.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 18, 2021, 01:50:20 PM
Freeway still around? The quality would suggest he was a part of this.
WHAT do you think about WOJOOOH?
WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK OF CINCINNATI?
WHO WAS MOST UPSET WITH THE LOSS TO LOUISVILLE?
"uhhh Steve Novak?"
BESIDES HIM
"uhhhhhh Scott Merrit?"
BESIDES HIM
"uhhhh I don't know man, Tom Crean?"
BESIDES HIM
"Just tell me"
TRAVIS DIENER
"okay"
It's a waste of money. And its not going to force "the administration" to do anything.
The decision has been made and isn't going to be reversed by a couple dumb billboards. It's not even going to be reversed by a well written blog post. It will only be reversed by people with money and leverage. And this aint leverage.
I'm of the camp that the more the better.
Well reasoned argument from 3 top blogs citing nothing but facts - CHECK
Endless barbs from a twitter account who is probably jealous of Wojo's pedigree - CHECK
Slightly hot take article from MJS beat writer - CHECK
Tacky truck billboard - CHECK
Conversation within the CBB twitterverse - CHECK
Everyone gets influenced differently so all these messages no matter how "juvenile" or how well constructed work towards the same goal.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 18, 2021, 02:03:14 PM
It's a waste of money. And its not going to force "the administration" to do anything.
The decision has been made and isn't going to be reversed by a couple dumb billboards. It's not even going to be reversed by a well written blog post. It will only be reversed by people with money and leverage. And this aint leverage.
Well none of then are Fluffy Blue Monsters. Do something!! Attack.
Quote from: The Lens on March 18, 2021, 02:07:50 PM
I'm of the camp that the more the better.
Well reasoned argument from 3 top blogs citing nothing but facts - CHECK
Endless barbs from a twitter account who is probably jealous of Wojo's pedigree - CHECK
Slightly hot take article from MJS beat writer - CHECK
Tacky truck billboard - CHECK
Conversation within the CBB twitterverse - CHECK
Everyone gets influenced differently so all these messages no matter how "juvenile" or how well constructed work towards the same goal.
What was the gist of Steele's article, for those who don't subscribe to the MJS?
Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 18, 2021, 02:12:32 PM
What was the gist of Steele's article, for those who don't subscribe to the MJS?
He addressed 3 questions
Should MU fire Wojo?
Should Wojo change his style?
Could more help fix this?
It was a very soft article but Ben has to "work with" Wojo everyday so I wouldn't expect a beat writer to come down as hard as say a columnist would.
Quote from: The Lens on March 18, 2021, 02:19:40 PM
He addressed 3 questions
Should MU fire Wojo?
Should Wojo change his style?
Could more help fix this?
It was a very soft article but Ben has to "work with" Wojo everyday so I wouldn't expect a beat writer to come down as hard as say a columnist would.
What did he say in regards to the "fire Wojo" question? I do understand Steele's position. Wish he wasn't the most visible media presence for MU, at least not for stuff like this.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 18, 2021, 02:24:17 PM
What did he say in regards to the "fire Wojo" question? I do understand Steele's position. Wish he wasn't the most visible media presence for MU, at least not for stuff like this.
Quote
The coach?
The most immediate change a program can make is with its head coach.
Wojciechowski's seven-season record is underwhelming. Both of MU's NCAA Tournament losses in his tenure were blowouts: vs. South Carolina in 2017 and Murray State in 2019. Wojciechowski is also 4-6 in the Big East tournament, never advancing to the championship game.
Wojciechowski is 59-68 in the Big East, including 16-21 over the last two seasons. Most worrying for MU fans are the late-season slides, including losing six of seven games to end the 2018-19 and 2019-20 seasons. Four straight losses to end the regular season in 2018-19 cost the Golden Eagles a Big East championship.
MU gave Wojciechowski a new contract after the 2018-19 season that runs through 2023-24. Buyout terms have not been made public, but any significant cost could be tough to stomach for a university that is navigating financial issues.
If Wojciechowski is on the sideline next season, he almost certainly will be on any list of coaching names on the "hot seat." (https://www.si.com/college/2021/02/08/ncaa-basketball-john-calipari-jim-boeheim-status)
I appreciate the passion. I really do. But just like riots in Kenosha didn't affect the police and storming the capitol didn't change the election, a billboard and blogs aren't going to change the Wojo's job status.
They can be point of discussion, but in the end Wojo has to win next year to get fans back on his side. And for those that say "that wouldn't be enough!" - yes it would. Will he do it, we'll see.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 18, 2021, 02:27:51 PM
I appreciate the passion. I really do. But just like riots in Kenosha didn't affect the police and storming the capitol didn't change the election, a billboard and blogs aren't going to change the Wojo's job status.
They can be point of discussion, but in the end Wojo has to win next year to get fans back on his side. And for those that say "that wouldn't be enough!" - yes it would. Will he do it, we'll see.
💯
Quote from: JimsTimeOutFan on March 18, 2021, 12:43:23 PM
wow. this story has wheels...
perhaps we should get this thread shut down like the previous one was for the good of the program!
Unlike the "Lewis is gone" post, the billboard is something immediately provable because it exists.
Besides, the information in that thread was simply moved to another thread.
So stop being a drama queen.
Now run along and change your name again before the mods catch on.
Quote from: BigWilly77 on March 18, 2021, 01:06:09 PM
My nephew who is a sophomore said that he heard Delta Chi put up the money for it.
Does he wear a pledge pin?!?
On his uniforrrrrrrrmmmm?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 18, 2021, 01:50:20 PM
Freeway still around? The quality would suggest he was a part of this.
WHAT do you think about WOJOOOH?
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Quote from: MuggsyB on March 18, 2021, 02:08:37 PM
Well none of then are Fluffy Blue Monsters. Do something!! Attack.
I laughed. Well done, Muggsy.
Good for the students who did this. Won't change Lovell's mind but so what?
Just glad to see some on campus are concerned about the direction of MU bball.
Almost would go to a game next season just to hear the boos Wojo gets
Would not be surprised at all for Lovell to come out publicly in support of Wojo, which will only serve to alienate the fanbase even more
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on March 18, 2021, 03:13:12 PM
Would not be surprised at all for Lovell to come out publicly in support of Wojo, which will only serve to alienate the fanbase even more
Yep, I can feel it coming. And it'll go over like a lead balloon.
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on March 18, 2021, 03:13:12 PM
Good for the students who did this. Won't change Lovell's mind but so what?
Just glad to see some on campus are concerned about the direction of MU bball.
Almost would go to a game next season just to hear the boos Wojo gets
Would not be surprised at all for Lovell to come out publicly in support of Wojo, which will only serve to alienate the fanbase even more
If an extension is coming, I wonder if it's announced tomorrow. Bury it on a Friday with the NCAA tourney. Or else it'll be a random day in the summer I bet.
I think Wojo was coming back anyway.
I think admin was unaware of the level of animus.
I think the article and billboard are going to cause Wojo, Scholl, and Lovell to dig their heels in.
I expect a declaration of support in order to reassure recruits and to assist on landing transfers.
If they had fired him, fine.
But they are going to feel they can't now. I think they are going to feel painted into a corner and won't want to appear bullied.
Quote from: tower912 on March 18, 2021, 03:35:48 PM
But they are going to feel they can't now. I think they are going to feel painted into a corner and won't want to appear bullied.
Yup.
Again, the only way a change is made now is if the people with money or leverage want it to happen and are willing to pay and push for it to happen.
Quote from: tower912 on March 18, 2021, 03:35:48 PM
I think Wojo was coming back anyway.
I think admin was unaware of the level of animus.
I think the article and billboard are going to cause Wojo, Scholl, and Lovell to dig their heels in.
I expect a declaration of support in order to reassure recruits and to assist on landing transfers.
If they had fired him, fine.
But they are going to feel they can't now. I think they are going to feel painted into a corner and won't want to appear bullied.
In Taxi Driver, Travis Bickle says, "Maybe someday a real rain will come down and wash all the scum off these streets."
For Wojo, Scholl, and Lovell, that rain is angry fans, and it's come pouring down on them today. And it will only get worse after Scholl issues a public show of support. Which I agree he will.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 18, 2021, 03:40:39 PM
Yup.
Again, the only way a change is made now is if the people with money or leverage want it to happen and are willing to pay and push for it to happen.
Is that really different than before today? I don't think there was much chance he was fired unless a big donation was coming for it. We had some speculation here that the administration didn't really grasp how upset the fans were.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 18, 2021, 12:44:19 PM
Who slapped that together? It looks so amateur.
So it's perfectly appropriate for addressing Wojo's coaching.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 18, 2021, 03:44:41 PM
In Taxi Driver, Travis Bickle says, "Maybe someday a real rain will come down and wash all the scum off these streets."
For Wojo, Scholl, and Lovell, that rain is angry fans, and it's come pouring down on them today. And it will only get worse after Scholl issues a public show of support. Which I agree he will.
Lol. At least Wojo isn't the cop in Reservoir Dogs.
Quote from: NolongerWarriors on March 18, 2021, 03:13:12 PM
Good for the students who did this. Won't change Lovell's mind but so what?
Just glad to see some on campus are concerned about the direction of MU bball.
Almost would go to a game next season just to hear the boos Wojo gets
Would not be surprised at all for Lovell to come out publicly in support of Wojo, which will only serve to alienate the fanbase even more
To me this just proves that if a bunch of students are willing to pitch together and buy a billboard that some big money alum would do the same to pay the buyout. The problem is that the administration have not asked them too because they simply have not been around long enough and don't get it.
I can see "the admin" being clueless about the level of fan discontent, but isn't that part of Scholl's job? Isn't he putting the squeeze on athletic donors, and doesn't he hear what they are saying?
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 18, 2021, 02:08:37 PM
Well none of then are Fluffy Blue Monsters. Do something!! Attack.
He aint doin anything. He is a slurper.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 18, 2021, 04:16:51 PM
He aint doin anything. He is a slurper.
He isn't and hasn't been
Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 18, 2021, 03:44:41 PM
In Taxi Driver, Travis Bickle says, "Maybe someday a real rain will come down and wash all the scum off these streets."
For Wojo, Scholl, and Lovell, that rain is angry fans, and it's come pouring down on them today. And it will only get worse after Scholl issues a public show of support. Which I agree he will.
F*cking weird, dude.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 18, 2021, 02:01:06 PM
WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK OF CINCINNATI?
WHO WAS MOST UPSET WITH THE LOSS TO LOUISVILLE?
"uhhh Steve Novak?"
BESIDES HIM
"uhhhhhh Scott Merrit?"
BESIDES HIM
"uhhhh I don't know man, Tom Crean?"
BESIDES HIM
"Just tell me"
TRAVIS DIENER
"okay"
I still have "What are you going to do about Joe Dumars?" Stuck in my head. He would always say it at OD's. Even my kids say it to this day and they never got to see Dumars play until the Last Dance.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 18, 2021, 04:16:51 PM
He aint doin anything. He is a slurper.
This isn't accurate.
I have been an MU fan for over 50 years. I have been a season ticket holder and I am a graduate of Marquette. Never have I been so ashamed of alleged MU basketball fans. The anger and malice directed toward coach wojo is beyond any sense of proportion. I remember The Dukiet years and there is no comparison between then and now. While coach wojo has been something of a disappointment, he certainly does not deserve the lack of respect and indignity shown him in these posts.
You should be embarrassed by your self-serving, egotistical and entitled response to this situation. No doubt you are not embarrassed as you are so solidly wrapped in you self-righteousness. Compassion,understanding and respect used to be hall marks of Catholic education and foundational to the Marquette tradition. I guess that is not so much the case now. That is not a failure of the basketball program but the failure of the educational system. Coach wojo has a family, how hurtful your antics mus be to them. I apologize on your behalf.
If you are successful in your endeavor of unseating coach wojo and your champion should prove no better remember what you have done and fess up to it. As for coach K exppect he will go somewhere else make some more coin and be successful much like Majerus was. Good work boys and girls.
Quote from: hawk on March 18, 2021, 05:32:02 PM
I have been an MU fan for over 50 years. I have been a season ticket holder and I am a graduate of Marquette. Never have I been so ashamed of alleged MU basketball fans. The anger and malice directed toward coach wojo is beyond any sense of proportion. I remember The Dukiet years and there is no comparison between then and now. While coach wojo has been something of a disappointment, he certainly does not deserve the lack of respect and indignity shown him in these posts.
You should be embarrassed by your self-serving, egotistical and entitled response to this situation. No doubt you are not embarrassed as you are so solidly wrapped in you self-righteousness. Compassion,understanding and respect used to be hall marks of Catholic education and foundational to the Marquette tradition. I guess that is not so much the case now. That is not a failure of the basketball program but the failure of the educational system. Coach wojo has a family, how hurtful your antics mus be to them. I apologize on your behalf.
If you are successful in your endeavor of unseating coach wojo and your champion should prove no better remember what you have done and fess up to it. As for coach K exppect he will go somewhere else make some more coin and be successful much like Majerus was. Good work boys and girls.
This is big time college athletics. Results based industry. Don't cry for the underachieving coach making almost 8 figures in seven seasons.
Quote from: hawk on March 18, 2021, 05:32:02 PM
I have been an MU fan for over 50 years. I have been a season ticket holder and I am a graduate of Marquette. Never have I been so ashamed of alleged MU basketball fans. The anger and malice directed toward coach wojo is beyond any sense of proportion. I remember The Dukiet years and there is no comparison between then and now. While coach wojo has been something of a disappointment, he certainly does not deserve the lack of respect and indignity shown him in these posts.
You should be embarrassed by your self-serving, egotistical and entitled response to this situation. No doubt you are not embarrassed as you are so solidly wrapped in you self-righteousness. Compassion,understanding and respect used to be hall marks of Catholic education and foundational to the Marquette tradition. I guess that is not so much the case now. That is not a failure of the basketball program but the failure of the educational system. Coach wojo has a family, how hurtful your antics mus be to them. I apologize on your behalf.
If you are successful in your endeavor of unseating coach wojo and your champion should prove no better remember what you have done and fess up to it. As for coach K exppect he will go somewhere else make some more coin and be successful much like Majerus was. Good work boys and girls.
Coach K?
Quote from: Steve Buscemi on March 18, 2021, 05:42:42 PM
Coach K?
My guess was Dodds.
Nobody here has said anything about Wojo's character. In fact it's quite the opposite, he's pretty well respected as a person.
But the man can't coach worth a lick.
Quote from: hawk on March 18, 2021, 05:32:02 PM
I have been an MU fan for over 50 years. I have been a season ticket holder and I am a graduate of Marquette. Never have I been so ashamed of alleged MU basketball fans. The anger and malice directed toward coach wojo is beyond any sense of proportion. I remember The Dukiet years and there is no comparison between then and now. While coach wojo has been something of a disappointment, he certainly does not deserve the lack of respect and indignity shown him in these posts.
You should be embarrassed by your self-serving, egotistical and entitled response to this situation. No doubt you are not embarrassed as you are so solidly wrapped in you self-righteousness. Compassion,understanding and respect used to be hall marks of Catholic education and foundational to the Marquette tradition. I guess that is not so much the case now. That is not a failure of the basketball program but the failure of the educational system. Coach wojo has a family, how hurtful your antics mus be to them. I apologize on your behalf.
If you are successful in your endeavor of unseating coach wojo and your champion should prove no better remember what you have done and fess up to it. As for coach K exppect he will go somewhere else make some more coin and be successful much like Majerus was. Good work boys and girls.
Hahahahahah, ok Boomer.
The guy has made close to $10 million to grind an historic college basketball program into dust. If he didn't want to get berated constantly for his awful performance, he should spare us all and QUIT and go retire somewhere with his family and his stolen $10 million.
Wojo has exactly 0 achievements that matter in 7 years. His successor couldn't possibly be worse. Even if a new coach went 0-20 in conference his resume would read the same as Wojo's: perennial loser searching for my first NCAA win.
Quote from: hawk on March 18, 2021, 05:32:02 PM
I have been an MU fan for over 50 years. I have been a season ticket holder and I am a graduate of Marquette. Never have I been so ashamed of alleged MU basketball fans. The anger and malice directed toward coach wojo is beyond any sense of proportion. I remember The Dukiet years and there is no comparison between then and now. While coach wojo has been something of a disappointment, he certainly does not deserve the lack of respect and indignity shown him in these posts.
You should be embarrassed by your self-serving, egotistical and entitled response to this situation. No doubt you are not embarrassed as you are so solidly wrapped in you self-righteousness. Compassion,understanding and respect used to be hall marks of Catholic education and foundational to the Marquette tradition. I guess that is not so much the case now. That is not a failure of the basketball program but the failure of the educational system. Coach wojo has a family, how hurtful your antics mus be to them. I apologize on your behalf.
If you are successful in your endeavor of unseating coach wojo and your champion should prove no better remember what you have done and fess up to it. As for coach K exppect he will go somewhere else make some more coin and be successful much like Majerus was. Good work boys and girls.
Sir, this is an Arby's.
Quote from: hawk on March 18, 2021, 05:32:02 PM
I have been an MU fan for over 50 years. I have been a season ticket holder and I am a graduate of Marquette. Never have I been so ashamed of alleged MU basketball fans. The anger and malice directed toward coach wojo is beyond any sense of proportion. I remember The Dukiet years and there is no comparison between then and now. While coach wojo has been something of a disappointment, he certainly does not deserve the lack of respect and indignity shown him in these posts.
You should be embarrassed by your self-serving, egotistical and entitled response to this situation. No doubt you are not embarrassed as you are so solidly wrapped in you self-righteousness. Compassion,understanding and respect used to be hall marks of Catholic education and foundational to the Marquette tradition. I guess that is not so much the case now. That is not a failure of the basketball program but the failure of the educational system. Coach wojo has a family, how hurtful your antics mus be to them. I apologize on your behalf.
If you are successful in your endeavor of unseating coach wojo and your champion should prove no better remember what you have done and fess up to it. As for coach K exppect he will go somewhere else make some more coin and be successful much like Majerus was. Good work boys and girls.
Coach K on the move?
Quote from: hawk on March 18, 2021, 05:32:02 PM
I have been an MU fan for over 50 years. I have been a season ticket holder and I am a graduate of Marquette. Never have I been so ashamed of alleged MU basketball fans. The anger and malice directed toward coach wojo is beyond any sense of proportion. I remember The Dukiet years and there is no comparison between then and now. While coach wojo has been something of a disappointment, he certainly does not deserve the lack of respect and indignity shown him in these posts.
You should be embarrassed by your self-serving, egotistical and entitled response to this situation. No doubt you are not embarrassed as you are so solidly wrapped in you self-righteousness. Compassion,understanding and respect used to be hall marks of Catholic education and foundational to the Marquette tradition. I guess that is not so much the case now. That is not a failure of the basketball program but the failure of the educational system. Coach wojo has a family, how hurtful your antics mus be to them. I apologize on your behalf.
If you are successful in your endeavor of unseating coach wojo and your champion should prove no better remember what you have done and fess up to it. As for coach K exppect he will go somewhere else make some more coin and be successful much like Majerus was. Good work boys and girls.
This is a joke, right?
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 18, 2021, 05:44:04 PM
My guess was Dodds.
Nobody here has said anything about Wojo's character. In fact it's quite the opposite, he's pretty well respected as a person.
But the man can't coach worth a lick.
Nah, poster used full sentences...no ellipses....couldn't be Dodds....not sure he could break that habit...
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on March 18, 2021, 05:55:03 PM
Nah, poster used full sentences...no ellipses....couldn't be Dodds....not sure he could break that habit...
Beat me to it
You know who never had to sit through the Dukiet years as a student? Anyone under 50. The people who keep bringing him up are kinda proving the point as to how dire it has become.
And if anyone's wondering why people are fed up....
Dukiet: 3 seasons. Final Season: 13-15.
Deane: 5 seasons. Final Season: 14-15.
Wojo: 7 seasons. Unfortunately, not his final season: 13-14.
The AD used to at least be swift about knowing when to cut bait. 95% of this fanbase knows Wojo needs to go and nothing is going to happen. Seven years of zero tournament wins and zero top 25 finishes, and we're gonna run it back for season eight. Yeesh.
Marquette hoops fans have shown extraordinary patience the past few years. Everyone here is on the same side and we all deserve a round of applause if anything. The sympathy card is honestly ridiculous. This isn't 1st grade T-Ball. We have a coach making 2 mill a year. WTF? It's called big boy sports and accountability.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 18, 2021, 06:24:06 PM
Marquette hoops fans have shown extraordinary patience the past few years. Everyone here is on the same side and we all deserve a round of applause if anything. The sympathy card is honestly ridiculous. This isn't 1st grade T-Ball. We have a coach making 2mill a year. WTF? It's called big boy sports and accountability.
15 years to judge muggsy. First year doesn't count, covid year doesn't count, we couldn't possibly judge him the two years after we lost the Hauser's...
classless. DM me. I know who is behind this.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 18, 2021, 06:24:06 PM
Marquette hoops fans have shown extraordinary patience the past few years. Everyone here is on the same side and we all deserve a round of applause if anything. The sympathy card is honestly ridiculous. This isn't 1st grade T-Ball. We have a coach making 2 mill a year. WTF? It's called big boy sports and accountability.
You think you deserve a round of applause?? For what?
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on March 18, 2021, 06:36:48 PM
You think you deserve a round of applause?? For what?
Dealing with utter misery. :)
Quote from: hawk on March 18, 2021, 05:32:02 PM
I have been an MU fan for over 50 years. I have been a season ticket holder and I am a graduate of Marquette. Never have I been so ashamed of alleged MU basketball fans. The anger and malice directed toward coach wojo is beyond any sense of proportion. I remember The Dukiet years and there is no comparison between then and now. While coach wojo has been something of a disappointment, he certainly does not deserve the lack of respect and indignity shown him in these posts.
You should be embarrassed by your self-serving, egotistical and entitled response to this situation. No doubt you are not embarrassed as you are so solidly wrapped in you self-righteousness. Compassion,understanding and respect used to be hall marks of Catholic education and foundational to the Marquette tradition. I guess that is not so much the case now. That is not a failure of the basketball program but the failure of the educational system. Coach wojo has a family, how hurtful your antics mus be to them. I apologize on your behalf.
If you are successful in your endeavor of unseating coach wojo and your champion should prove no better remember what you have done and fess up to it. As for coach K exppect he will go somewhere else make some more coin and be successful much like Majerus was. Good work boys and girls.
Be honest, if the team went 5 and 20 but had upstanding and respectful young men, would you rather that than a team that won a conference title and a S16 but had a player suspended for fighting? Or for, gasp, marijuana? "Somewhat disappointing"...I'd hate to see what truly disappointing was.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on March 18, 2021, 06:36:48 PM
You think you deserve a round of applause?? For what?
Wtf? Nobody is asking for a round of applause, but acting like any frustration or disgust with Wojo and the program is premature or baseless is equally silly. The dude was saying we should be ashamed of being disgusted and angry with Wojo and his performance.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on March 18, 2021, 05:55:03 PM
Nah, poster used full sentences...no ellipses....couldn't be Dodds....not sure he could break that habit...
What...makes...you...say...that?
Quote from: hawk on March 18, 2021, 05:32:02 PM
I have been an MU fan for over 50 years. I have been a season ticket holder and I am a graduate of Marquette. Never have I been so ashamed of alleged MU basketball fans. The anger and malice directed toward coach wojo is beyond any sense of proportion. I remember The Dukiet years and there is no comparison between then and now. While coach wojo has been something of a disappointment, he certainly does not deserve the lack of respect and indignity shown him in these posts.
You should be embarrassed by your self-serving, egotistical and entitled response to this situation. No doubt you are not embarrassed as you are so solidly wrapped in you self-righteousness. Compassion,understanding and respect used to be hall marks of Catholic education and foundational to the Marquette tradition. I guess that is not so much the case now. That is not a failure of the basketball program but the failure of the educational system. Coach wojo has a family, how hurtful your antics mus be to them. I apologize on your behalf.
If you are successful in your endeavor of unseating coach wojo and your champion should prove no better remember what you have done and fess up to it. As for coach K exppect he will go somewhere else make some more coin and be successful much like Majerus was. Good work boys and girls.
I've been a fan for 25. Would like to enjoy the next 25 cheering for a team with a coach who knows what he is doing.
Read Muggsy's post again. His exact words.
Quote from: hawk on March 18, 2021, 05:32:02 PM
I have been an MU fan for over 50 years. I have been a season ticket holder and I am a graduate of Marquette. Never have I been so ashamed of alleged MU basketball fans. The anger and malice directed toward coach wojo is beyond any sense of proportion. I remember The Dukiet years and there is no comparison between then and now. While coach wojo has been something of a disappointment, he certainly does not deserve the lack of respect and indignity shown him in these posts.
You should be embarrassed by your self-serving, egotistical and entitled response to this situation. No doubt you are not embarrassed as you are so solidly wrapped in you self-righteousness. Compassion,understanding and respect used to be hall marks of Catholic education and foundational to the Marquette tradition. I guess that is not so much the case now. That is not a failure of the basketball program but the failure of the educational system. Coach wojo has a family, how hurtful your antics mus be to them. I apologize on your behalf.
If you are successful in your endeavor of unseating coach wojo and your champion should prove no better remember what you have done and fess up to it. As for coach K exppect he will go somewhere else make some more coin and be successful much like Majerus was. Good work boys and girls.
Unironically the best troll post this site has ever seen. Bravo
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on March 18, 2021, 06:10:13 PM
You know who never had to sit through the Dukiet years as a student? Anyone under 50. The people who keep bringing him up are kinda proving the point as to how dire it has become.
And if anyone's wondering why people are fed up....
Dukiet: 3 seasons. Final Season: 13-15.
Deane: 5 seasons. Final Season: 14-15.
Wojo: 7 seasons. Unfortunately, not his final season: 13-14.
The AD used to at least be swift about knowing when to cut bait. 95% of this fanbase knows Wojo needs to go and nothing is going to happen. Seven years of zero tournament wins and zero top 25 finishes, and we're gonna run it back for season eight. Yeesh.
The difference is night and day. Dukiet coached in the MCC and I was at the media day in the fall of 1988 when Dukiet had one player on scholarship who was D3 level and the only recruit he signed that fall was in for an official visit and never saw time at Marquette and had limited minutes at a lower level D1 program after he transferred.
I understand if people are frustrated, but some of this stuff is getting out of control.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 18, 2021, 06:24:06 PM
Marquette hoops fans have shown extraordinary patience the past few years. Everyone here is on the same side and we all deserve a round of applause if anything. The sympathy card is honestly ridiculous. This isn't 1st grade T-Ball. We have a coach making 2 mill a year. WTF? It's called big boy sports and accountability.
I don't think it was probably the wisest to make the billboard. Hurts the brand of the program since now we have "crazy" fans. I do hope this doesn't push any players to transfer.
Quote from: TedBaxter on March 18, 2021, 07:31:13 PM
The difference is night and day. Dukiet coached in the MCC and I was at the media day in the fall of 1988 when Dukiet had one player on scholarship who was D3 level and the only recruit he signed that fall was in for an official visit and never saw time at Marquette and had limited minutes at a lower level D1 program after he transferred.
I understand if people are frustrated, but some of this stuff is getting out of control.
Marquette has been mediocre/bad for a long time in a top conference with Wojo.
Marquette was bad in a mid major conference with Dukiet.
The fact that there are parallels is an indictment.
Quote from: panda on March 18, 2021, 07:36:02 PM
Marquette has been mediocre/bad for a long time in a top conference with Wojo.
Marquette was bad in a mid major conference with Dukiet.
The fact that there are parallels is an indictment.
They really aren't parallels. That's Ted's point.
Quote from: TedBaxter on March 18, 2021, 07:31:13 PM
The difference is night and day. Dukiet coached in the MCC and I was at the media day in the fall of 1988 when Dukiet had one player on scholarship who was D3 level and the only recruit he signed that fall was in for an official visit and never saw time at Marquette and had limited minutes at a lower level D1 program after he transferred.
I understand if people are frustrated, but some of this stuff is getting out of control.
And that was his last year. The admin admitted they blew it and didn't even allow Dukiet five years to be judged. It was a terrible hire.
It's time for Wojo's tenure to come to an end as well, but it won't. Fiserv is gonna be ugly next year. That's the choice this administration is making.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 18, 2021, 07:40:21 PM
They really aren't parallels. That's Ted's point.
So Wojo would do better if he went back in time and replaced Dukiet in the same situation?
Quote from: panda on March 18, 2021, 07:43:01 PM
So Wojo would do better if he went back in time and replaced Dukiet in the same situation?
Undoubtedly. Dukiet was a truly terrible coach and the basketball situation was much worse.
Quote from: panda on March 18, 2021, 07:43:01 PM
So Wojo would do better if he went back in time and replaced Dukiet in the same situation?
I actually have a theory that if Wojo was cutting his teeth occasionally winning in a mid-major conference people would be here touting him as a potential replacement. But hey, that's where we are. "Any guy off the street" could do a better job I've heard.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 18, 2021, 07:40:21 PM
They really aren't parallels. That's Ted's point.
Did 90% of the fanbase really believe it was time for Dukiet to go after his second year?
Quote from: hawk on March 18, 2021, 05:32:02 PM
I have been an MU fan for over 50 years. I have been a season ticket holder and I am a graduate of Marquette. Never have I been so ashamed of alleged MU basketball fans. The anger and malice directed toward coach wojo is beyond any sense of proportion. I remember The Dukiet years and there is no comparison between then and now. While coach wojo has been something of a disappointment, he certainly does not deserve the lack of respect and indignity shown him in these posts.
You should be embarrassed by your self-serving, egotistical and entitled response to this situation. No doubt you are not embarrassed as you are so solidly wrapped in you self-righteousness. Compassion,understanding and respect used to be hall marks of Catholic education and foundational to the Marquette tradition. I guess that is not so much the case now. That is not a failure of the basketball program but the failure of the educational system. Coach wojo has a family, how hurtful your antics mus be to them. I apologize on your behalf.
If you are successful in your endeavor of unseating coach wojo and your champion should prove no better remember what you have done and fess up to it. As for coach K exppect he will go somewhere else make some more coin and be successful much like Majerus was. Good work boys and girls.
Say hello to Steve for us!
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on March 18, 2021, 07:04:39 PM
Read Muggsy's post again. His exact words.
What are you upset with me about? The fact that I said we should all be applauded? That was in jest my friend. Do you think I literally believe that? The point is we have been patient. Very patient.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 18, 2021, 02:27:51 PM
I appreciate the passion. I really do. But just like riots in Kenosha didn't affect the police and storming the capitol didn't change the election, a billboard and blogs aren't going to change the Wojo's job status.
They can be point of discussion, but in the end Wojo has to win next year to get fans back on his side. And for those that say "that wouldn't be enough!" - yes it would. Will he do it, we'll see.
those are your best analogies?
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 18, 2021, 07:51:50 PM
What are you upset with me about? The fact that I said we should all be applauded? That was in jest my friend. Do you think I literally believe that? The point is we have been patient. Very patient.
I'm not upset. I was just wondering what you meant as I found it a very odd thing to say.
Quote from: Marq3332 on March 18, 2021, 07:52:05 PM
those are your best analogies?
Lol, you compared Wojo to a low level salesman the other day:
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=61655.msg1323839#msg1323839
MU fans are essentially "rioting" right now, and I don't expect anything to come from it. Sorry if my analogies made the point go over your head.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on March 18, 2021, 07:53:43 PM
I'm not upset. I was just wondering what you meant as I found it a very odd thing to say.
That's fair. I write odd things sometimes. I didn't literally mean we should be applauded as fans. My bad and no hard feelings.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 18, 2021, 07:40:21 PM
They really aren't parallels. That's Ted's point.
WOJO--Not Quite as Bad as Dukiet! I think we have a new billboard.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 18, 2021, 07:56:24 PM
Lol, you compared Wojo to a low level salesman the other day:
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=61655.msg1323839#msg1323839
MU fans are essentially "rioting" right now, and I don't expect anything to come from it. Sorry if my analogies made the point go over your head.
Rioting virtually mind you. Super effective it is not likely to be.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 18, 2021, 07:57:24 PM
That's fair. I write odd things sometimes. I didn't literally mean we should be applauded as fans. My bad and no hard feelings.
Dude of course not. Keep writing you are providing a lot of content.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on March 18, 2021, 07:47:55 PM
Did 90% of the fanbase really believe it was time for Dukiet to go after his second year?
Yeah I think a banner was unfurled during my junior year. That was #2.
Quote from: hawk on March 18, 2021, 05:32:02 PM
I have been an MU fan for over 50 years. I have been a season ticket holder and I am a graduate of Marquette. Never have I been so ashamed of alleged MU basketball fans. The anger and malice directed toward coach wojo is beyond any sense of proportion. I remember The Dukiet years and there is no comparison between then and now. While coach wojo has been something of a disappointment, he certainly does not deserve the lack of respect and indignity shown him in these posts.
You should be embarrassed by your self-serving, egotistical and entitled response to this situation. No doubt you are not embarrassed as you are so solidly wrapped in you self-righteousness. Compassion,understanding and respect used to be hall marks of Catholic education and foundational to the Marquette tradition. I guess that is not so much the case now. That is not a failure of the basketball program but the failure of the educational system. Coach wojo has a family, how hurtful your antics mus be to them. I apologize on your behalf.
If you are successful in your endeavor of unseating coach wojo and your champion should prove no better remember what you have done and fess up to it. As for coach K exppect he will go somewhere else make some more coin and be successful much like Majerus was. Good work boys and girls.
birdman, er, Hawk, this ain't HS. This ain't intramural basketball. This is big time money making D-1 basketball. Woj is paid...a lot! Under his watch a historic basketball program is turning to sh!t. Bad enough we are the golden eagles. Now we are the sh!!ty golden eagles. Woj gots to go. We'll take our chances with next up. Yes?
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 18, 2021, 08:02:06 PM
Yeah I think a banner was unfurled during my junior year. That was #2.
Okay, fair enough. I guess the admin was a year late like they'll be on Wojo.
Orange's point, as I read it, is the abysmal state of our program during the Dukiet years isn't a barometer for "unacceptable" when it comes to our program so when it's referenced by someone who's been a fan for 50 years it doesn't mean jack
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 18, 2021, 07:46:22 PM
I actually have a theory that if Wojo was cutting his teeth occasionally winning in a mid-major conference people would be here touting him as a potential replacement. But hey, that's where we are. "Any guy off the street" could do a better job I've heard.
He'd do better with less resources?
Worst case scenario is this uprising lights a fire under wojo's *ss to change the direction of this program.
We ain't DePaul and won't sit quietly on our hands
Quote from: WellsstreetWanderer on March 18, 2021, 08:08:12 PM
Worst case scenario is this uprising lights a fire under wojo's *ss to change the direction of this program.
We ain't DePaul and won't sit quietly on our hands
This would imply he's capable
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 18, 2021, 07:46:22 PM
I actually have a theory that if Wojo was cutting his teeth occasionally winning in a mid-major conference people would be here touting him as a potential replacement. But hey, that's where we are. "Any guy off the street" could do a better job I've heard.
We're shaving the salami pretty thin if the argument is "Wojo should be fired but don't say he's worse than ANY guy off the street".
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 18, 2021, 07:56:24 PM
Lol, you compared Wojo to a low level salesman the other day:
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=61655.msg1323839#msg1323839
MU fans are essentially "rioting" right now, and I don't expect anything to come from it. Sorry if my analogies made the point go over your head.
i got you. But that low level salesman analogy wasn't bad. Admit it.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 18, 2021, 05:45:04 PM
Hahahahahah, ok Boomer.
The guy has made close to $10 million to grind an historic college basketball program into dust. If he didn't want to get berated constantly for his awful performance, he should spare us all and QUIT and go retire somewhere with his family and his stolen $10 million.
Wojo has exactly 0 achievements that matter in 7 years. His successor couldn't possibly be worse. Even if a new coach went 0-20 in conference his resume would read the same as Wojo's: perennial loser searching for my first NCAA win.
Looks like somebody forgot all about the 2015 Fan Duel Legends Championship.
Quote from: WellsstreetWanderer on March 18, 2021, 08:08:12 PM
Worst case scenario is this uprising lights a fire under wojo's *ss to change the direction of this program.
We ain't DePaul and won't sit quietly on our hands
LOL at the idea that all that was missing was motivation. This won't magically make him a better in game coach or fix his inability to create a roster and rotations
Quote from: panda on March 18, 2021, 08:06:11 PM
He'd do better with less resources?
It's just a theory, and one that cannot be proven or disproven.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 18, 2021, 08:09:40 PM
We're shaving the salami pretty thin if the argument is "Wojo should be fired but don't say he's worse than ANY guy off the street".
I think it's fair game to shame all hyperbole, even if it is my own!
Quote from: Marq3332 on March 18, 2021, 08:10:28 PM
i got you. But that low level salesman analogy wasn't bad. Admit it.
I thought it was not good at all - but I got the point.. But whatever, I just found it odd to be called out for my analogy, not my point.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 18, 2021, 08:19:00 PM
It's just a theory, and one that cannot be proven or disproven.
I think it's fair game to shame all hyperbole, even if it is my own!
I thought it was not good at all - but I got the point.. But whatever, I just found it odd to be called out for my analogy, not my point.
Fair enough. Here's to hoping he can do more
With more next year.
Quote from: hawk on March 18, 2021, 05:32:02 PM
I have been an MU fan for over 50 years. I have been a season ticket holder and I am a graduate of Marquette. Never have I been so ashamed of alleged MU basketball fans. The anger and malice directed toward coach wojo is beyond any sense of proportion. I remember The Dukiet years and there is no comparison between then and now. While coach wojo has been something of a disappointment, he certainly does not deserve the lack of respect and indignity shown him in these posts.
You should be embarrassed by your self-serving, egotistical and entitled response to this situation. No doubt you are not embarrassed as you are so solidly wrapped in you self-righteousness. Compassion,understanding and respect used to be hall marks of Catholic education and foundational to the Marquette tradition. I guess that is not so much the case now. That is not a failure of the basketball program but the failure of the educational system. Coach wojo has a family, how hurtful your antics mus be to them. I apologize on your behalf.
If you are successful in your endeavor of unseating coach wojo and your champion should prove no better remember what you have done and fess up to it. As for coach K exppect he will go somewhere else make some more coin and be successful much like Majerus was. Good work boys and girls.
Ok
Quote from: WellsstreetWanderer on March 18, 2021, 08:08:12 PM
Worst case scenario is this uprising lights a fire under wojo's *ss to change the direction of this program.
We ain't DePaul and won't sit quietly on our hands
Lol, that's the worst case scenario? I'm pretty sure the worst case scenario has Marquette finishing at the bottom of the Big East and sucking repeatedly year after year.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 18, 2021, 08:02:06 PM
Yeah I think a banner was unfurled during my junior year. That was #2.
Fluff, what year did you graduate?
I was Class of 1990.
Quote from: TedBaxter on March 18, 2021, 07:31:13 PM
The difference is night and day. Dukiet coached in the MCC and I was at the media day in the fall of 1988 when Dukiet had one player on scholarship who was D3 level and the only recruit he signed that fall was in for an official visit and never saw time at Marquette and had limited minutes at a lower level D1 program after he transferred.
I understand if people are frustrated, but some of this stuff is getting out of control.
I believe the low water mark came a year or so later when his entire recruiting class was denied admission to MU. I think it was 4 or 5 players.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 18, 2021, 07:40:21 PM
They really aren't parallels. That's Ted's point.
On the other hand, Fluffy, the Dukiet era was probably the bottom in terms of investment in the program and resources available.
I vaguely recall a story about KO needing to go out and buy basketballs for his first practices as coach.
Wojo has had a wild abundance of financial support and state of the art facilities.
Comparing the two, Wojo has done far less with far more.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 18, 2021, 06:24:06 PM
Marquette hoops fans have shown extraordinary patience the past few years. Everyone here is on the same side and we all deserve a round of applause if anything. The sympathy card is honestly ridiculous. This isn't 1st grade T-Ball. We have a coach making 2 mill a year. WTF? It's called big boy sports and accountability.
Not according to Dodds. He does not want to lose his court side seat. He is on his knees in full slurp mode.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 18, 2021, 03:40:39 PM
Yup.
Again, the only way a change is made now is if the people with money or leverage want it to happen and are willing to pay and push for it to happen.
That would be what is required. Let's see if it happens.
Quote from: hawk on March 18, 2021, 05:32:02 PM
I have been an MU fan for over 50 years. I have been a season ticket holder and I am a graduate of Marquette. Never have I been so ashamed of alleged MU basketball fans. The anger and malice directed toward coach wojo is beyond any sense of proportion. I remember The Dukiet years and there is no comparison between then and now. While coach wojo has been something of a disappointment, he certainly does not deserve the lack of respect and indignity shown him in these posts.
You should be embarrassed by your self-serving, egotistical and entitled response to this situation. No doubt you are not embarrassed as you are so solidly wrapped in you self-righteousness. Compassion,understanding and respect used to be hall marks of Catholic education and foundational to the Marquette tradition. I guess that is not so much the case now. That is not a failure of the basketball program but the failure of the educational system. Coach wojo has a family, how hurtful your antics mus be to them. I apologize on your behalf.
If you are successful in your endeavor of unseating coach wojo and your champion should prove no better remember what you have done and fess up to it. As for coach K exppect he will go somewhere else make some more coin and be successful much like Majerus was. Good work boys and girls.
Hawk you're getting a lot of crap for this, and I don't agree with everything you say, and I do want Wojo fired, but I appreciate the point you are bringing up. Wojo has done a poor job and deserves to be fired. But that doesn't change the fact that he is a human being and a father to two young boys. I don't necessarily "feel" for Wojo as $2 million a year can soften a lot of blows. But I do feel for his family who have to endure all the vitriol that is thrown his way. That can't be easy. I couldn't imagine having a public figure for a father and having to listen to people boo him, call for him to lose his job, cuss him out, and probably a lot worse than what gets posted on this board. I'm sure they do their best to shield them from the worst of it but it has to be impossible to keep all of it out.
We did win the TBT ! Oh
Quote from: Tha Hound on March 18, 2021, 07:24:15 PM
Unironically the best troll post this site has ever seen. Bravo
That guy is a solid Wojo-Dukiet homer.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 19, 2021, 01:02:57 AM
Hawk you're getting a lot of crap for this, and I don't agree with everything you say, and I do want Wojo fired, but I appreciate the point you are bringing up. Wojo has done a poor job and deserves to be fired. But that doesn't change the fact that he is a human being and a father to two young boys. I don't necessarily "feel" for Wojo as $2 million a year can soften a lot of blows. But I do feel for his family who have to endure all the vitriol that is thrown his way. That can't be easy. I couldn't imagine having a public figure for a father and having to listen to people boo him, call for him to lose his job, cuss him out, and probably a lot worse than what gets posted on this board. I'm sure they do their best to shield them from the worst of it but it has to be impossible to keep all of it out.
I don't know how to say this without sounding sh!tty, so I'm just gonna say it.
Wojo is the coach of a big time sports team. When he signed on the dotted line, he knew what he was getting into. I think its unfortunate that he's in the position of having to shield his family from the fallout of his doing a crappy job, but as Don Draper said, "That's what the money's for." If you factor in his former salary as a Duke assistant, Wojo has probably made around $20 million coaching college basketball. His children's grandchildren are set for life. He's also a very, very minor celebrity. If he stepped down today and moved out of Milwaukee, neither he nor his family would ever even hear the word "Marquette" again.
Is he a human being? Yes. But this is the life he's chosen. What you wrote is true of any famous coach, actor, politician, whatever. It's unfortunate, but it comes with the territory.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 19, 2021, 01:02:57 AM
Hawk you're getting a lot of crap for this, and I don't agree with everything you say, and I do want Wojo fired, but I appreciate the point you are bringing up. Wojo has done a poor job and deserves to be fired. But that doesn't change the fact that he is a human being and a father to two young boys. I don't necessarily "feel" for Wojo as $2 million a year can soften a lot of blows. But I do feel for his family who have to endure all the vitriol that is thrown his way. That can't be easy. I couldn't imagine having a public figure for a father and having to listen to people boo him, call for him to lose his job, cuss him out, and probably a lot worse than what gets posted on this board. I'm sure they do their best to shield them from the worst of it but it has to be impossible to keep all of it out.
I agree. The money these coaches/athletes make has nothing to do with how they should be treated as humans. They should be held accountable for their own actions as well. Pretty hypocritical to say we should treat all people with respect, except if they make 2 million per year, then they are dirt.
Having said that, if a coach isn't performing to expectations, he should be held accountable. There is nothing wrong with firing a coach for under-performing and it does come with the territory. The problem is it should have never gotten to this point. The longer they wait to pull the plug, the worse this will get. It is not fair to the fans, the program and to Wojo to drag this out and hem and haw. Either pull the damn plug or come out and make some type of statement of support or direction for the program.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 19, 2021, 06:35:01 AM
I don't know how to say this without sounding sh!tty, so I'm just gonna say it.
Wojo is the coach of a big time sports team. When he signed on the dotted line, he knew what he was getting into. I think its unfortunate that he's in the position of having to shield his family from the fallout of his doing a crappy job, but as Don Draper said, "That's what the money's for." If you factor in his former salary as a Duke assistant, Wojo has probably made around $20 million coaching college basketball. His children's grandchildren are set for life. He's also a very, very minor celebrity. If he stepped down today and moved out of Milwaukee, neither he nor his family would ever even hear the word "Marquette" again.
Is he a human being? Yes. But this is the life he's chosen. What you wrote is true of any famous coach, actor, politician, whatever. It's unfortunate, but it comes with the territory.
And what they wrote wasn't personal. It was well-thought out and supported by fact. Emotion partly lead to the writing, but it never became personal. There was no Skip Bayless hot takes and no anonymous message board personal attacks against Wojo. Had it included any of that, it would have been easy to dismiss. I applaud the work they did. They took off the Rose-colored glasses of fandom and laid out a damning indictment of where the program is and why it's there.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 19, 2021, 01:02:57 AM
Hawk you're getting a lot of crap for this, and I don't agree with everything you say, and I do want Wojo fired, but I appreciate the point you are bringing up. Wojo has done a poor job and deserves to be fired. But that doesn't change the fact that he is a human being and a father to two young boys. I don't necessarily "feel" for Wojo as $2 million a year can soften a lot of blows. But I do feel for his family who have to endure all the vitriol that is thrown his way. That can't be easy. I couldn't imagine having a public figure for a father and having to listen to people boo him, call for him to lose his job, cuss him out, and probably a lot worse than what gets posted on this board. I'm sure they do their best to shield them from the worst of it but it has to be impossible to keep all of it out.
Maybe I'm missing it, or maybe I'm just not easily offended, but I can't see the "malice" or "vitriol." I think Wojo is a nice guy. I respect that he runs a clean program that is apparently responsive to the needs of (most) of his players. I am very, very sad that he has performed as poorly as he has, but the facts are the facts, and pointing out those facts, even going so far as to express your opinion on on a billboard, is not malicious. Saying it is time for a change and explaining why may not be pleasant for him or his family to hear, but it is the life he has chosen.
Agree with much of what hawk had to say.
My feelings on it are mixed. It seems everyone in the world today must come down on one side of an extreme or the other from the beginning, & then only concern themselves with only the things that validate that stance. Those that were determined to be against Wojo have beat their chest from day 1 at any inkling of failure. Worse, because so many of them also seem to have their own mental state wrapped up around the success of the team, & also that the internet is so impersonal, the natural progression is to make it personal about Wojo & dehumanize. But, all of those themes have accelerated across all sports teams & pretty much everything in society at this point. I am right, I was the first person to be right, & everything that happens is evidence I'm right (& I don't have to pay attention or listen to anyone with other evidence). It's nowhere near unique to MU.
That said, we were promised over the years that this hire was about upside & development, that he might be a bit rough the first few years but would grow into the role of a high major head coach. Objectively, I just don't see that has happened; coach is about as elite of a recruiter as he was when we first got him. His teaching ability, in-game, & analytical/troubleshooting skills have not substantially developed. I'm also not convinced that he's advanced enough in assuring the right mix of player abilities. It was a funny novelty during the Rowsey/Markus times but, things like that keep cropping up.
I give coach a ton of credit for keeping his teams together, in spite of the late-season troubles & disappointing results. I do believe the players genuinely like him & identify with him. I don't blame the late season slides on Wojo as a person, that he doesn't work hard enough (he clearly does), or that the players "didn't buy in" or he "lost the team". That isn't what we've seen at all. It has almost entirely to do with the fine tuning ability, game adjustments, & growth needed as the season goes along, once other teams "figure you out". IMO.
Wojo is a great representative of the school. It's time for him to move on. The celebration that Wojo personally be shamed is a disgrace & merely representative of those individuals' anger & perspective of the world.
Did I miss the part where people were going to his house to berate his family? Attack them? Shame them in public? Where is all of this?
Baron Trump was publicly shamed and embarrassed because of his father.
I have seen zero evidence of wojos family getting any unkind treatment. Oh his dad got bood at a game? Let's be real.
Quote from: The Hamberdler on March 19, 2021, 07:10:50 AM
Wojo is a great representative of the school. It's time for him to move on. The celebration that Wojo personally be shamed is a disgrace &
merely representative of those individuals' anger & perspective of the world.
Yeah, this.
It's best for everyone at this point that Wojo moves on.
But the personal invective, hoping he gets booed, and stunts like this billboard are the kind of low-class behavior I'd expect from Big Blue Nation, not Marquette. Dukiet and Deane were treated far better on their way out the door, and the latter in particular was a much worse representative for Marquette.
Of course, given that a loud segment of Scoop seems to believe Quick Rick is the answer, maybe I'm giving the fanbase too much credit.
Quote from: #UnleashWojo'sbuyout on March 19, 2021, 07:25:29 AM
Did I miss the part where people were going to his house to berate his family? Attack them? Shame them in public? Where is all of this?
Baron Trump was publicly shamed and embarrassed because of his father.
I have seen zero evidence of wojos family getting any unkind treatment. Oh his dad got bood at a game? Let's be real.
Well, as long as his children aren't being beaten on the playground and Mrs. Wojo isn'tbeing harassed at the grocery store, everything is OK.
I don't think the Billboard was neccessary but as far as fans being malicious towards Wojo personally? And that this impacts his family? I can't imagine he would come to that conclusion. He has the most lucrative job at Marquette University and our reactions are consistent with any fanbase.
It is what it is, results matter in all professions. The pressure is intense and he's a public figure. Fans by their nature, myself included, can go over the top. But I haven't read anything malicious or personal, including the "billboard". If he thinks MU fans have been malicious and unreasonable? He will not find anything different from 50 other fanbases in major college hoops. Wojo is a quality guy and will be just fine. Unfortunately, things have not gone well for him as the HC of MU Men's Basketball. He's fully aware of his current situation and he's not being treated unfairly.
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Quote from: D'Lo Brown on March 19, 2021, 07:10:50 AM
Agree with much of what hawk had to say.
My feelings on it are mixed. It seems everyone in the world today must come down on one side of an extreme or the other from the beginning, & then only concern themselves with only the things that validate that stance. Those that were determined to be against Wojo have beat their chest from day 1 at any inkling of failure. Worse, because so many of them also seem to have their own mental state wrapped up around the success of the team, & also that the internet is so impersonal, the natural progression is to make it personal about Wojo & dehumanize. But, all of those themes have accelerated across all sports teams & pretty much everything in society at this point. I am right, I was the first person to be right, & everything that happens is evidence I'm right (& I don't have to pay attention or listen to anyone with other evidence). It's nowhere near unique to MU.
That said, we were promised over the years that this hire was about upside & development, that he might be a bit rough the first few years but would grow into the role of a high major head coach. Objectively, I just don't see that has happened; coach is about as elite of a recruiter as he was when we first got him. His teaching ability, in-game, & analytical/troubleshooting skills have not substantially developed. I'm also not convinced that he's advanced enough in assuring the right mix of player abilities. It was a funny novelty during the Rowsey/Markus times but, things like that keep cropping up.
I give coach a ton of credit for keeping his teams together, in spite of the late-season troubles & disappointing results. I do believe the players genuinely like him & identify with him. I don't blame the late season slides on Wojo as a person, that he doesn't work hard enough (he clearly does), or that the players "didn't buy in" or he "lost the team". That isn't what we've seen at all. It has almost entirely to do with the fine tuning ability, game adjustments, & growth needed as the season goes along, once other teams "figure you out". IMO.
Wojo is a great representative of the school. It's time for him to move on. The celebration that Wojo personally be shamed is a disgrace & merely representative of those individuals' anger & perspective of the world.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 19, 2021, 07:28:44 AM
Well, as long as his children aren't being beaten on the playground and Mrs. Wojo isn'tbeing harassed at the grocery store, everything is OK.
Again, has anything malicious happened?
Posting a billboard and booing are not malicious.
Quote from: hawk on March 18, 2021, 05:32:02 PM
I have been an MU fan for over 50 years. I have been a season ticket holder and I am a graduate of Marquette. Never have I been so ashamed of alleged MU basketball fans. The anger and malice directed toward coach wojo is beyond any sense of proportion. I remember The Dukiet years and there is no comparison between then and now. While coach wojo has been something of a disappointment, he certainly does not deserve the lack of respect and indignity shown him in these posts.
You should be embarrassed by your self-serving, egotistical and entitled response to this situation. No doubt you are not embarrassed as you are so solidly wrapped in you self-righteousness. Compassion,understanding and respect used to be hall marks of Catholic education and foundational to the Marquette tradition. I guess that is not so much the case now. That is not a failure of the basketball program but the failure of the educational system. Coach wojo has a family, how hurtful your antics mus be to them. I apologize on your behalf.
If you are successful in your endeavor of unseating coach wojo and your champion should prove no better remember what you have done and fess up to it. As for coach K exppect he will go somewhere else make some more coin and be successful much like Majerus was. Good work boys and girls.
Oh get bent, this is a multi million dollar program that has been fading towards irrelevance for years. How in the hell can you clutch your pearls and defend this dumpster fire? Wojo has a duty to put together a successful basketball program. Period. His family, and ego can take a back seat. He signed up for this pressure 7 years ago. Wojo has gotten the lions share of compassion, understanding, and respect that he deserves.
Nearly everyone here acknowledges that Wojo seems like a fine person and a stand up guy. But he was hired to be a successful basketball coach. And he isn't.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 19, 2021, 07:26:50 AM
Yeah, this.
It's best for everyone at this point that Wojo moves on.
But the personal invective, hoping he gets booed, and stunts like this billboard are the kind of low-class behavior I'd expect from Big Blue Nation, not Marquette. Dukiet and Deane were treated far better on their way out the door, and the latter in particular was a much worse representative for Marquette.
Of course, given that a loud segment of Scoop seems to believe Quick Rick is the answer, maybe I'm giving the fanbase too much credit.
If the internet was around for the Dukiet and Deane years, we'd probably have a different story on our hands.
Quote from: #UnleashWojo'sbuyout on March 19, 2021, 07:38:33 AM
Again, has anything malicious happened?
Posting a billboard and booing are not malicious.
I suspect that if someone drove an electronic billboard around your workplace today featuring unflattering images of you and flashing "Fire UnleashWojo'sbouyout," you'd feel it was fairly malicious.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 19, 2021, 07:50:25 AM
If the internet was around for the Dukiet and Deane years, we'd probably have a different story on our hands.
The internet was around for the Deane years. And Chico's was Deane's biggest cheerleader (no lie).
Quote from: Pakuni on March 19, 2021, 07:53:21 AM
I suspect that if someone drove an electronic billboard around your workplace today featuring unflattering images of you and flashing "Fire UnleashWojo'sbouyout," you'd feel it was fairly malicious.
You saw that thing, right? Personally, I'd think it was hilarious if that was the best they could come up with.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 19, 2021, 07:54:54 AM
The internet was around for the Deane years. And Chico's was Deane's biggest cheerleader (no lie).
While that doesn't surprise me at all... the internet was still a fairly new concept and there probably weren't forums like this one that were frequented by the local degenerates we all are.
So this is what college kids do with their stimulus checks.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 19, 2021, 07:58:06 AM
While that doesn't surprise me at all... the internet was still a fairly new concept and there probably weren't forums like this one that were frequented by the local degenerates we all are.
No, there definitely was an active Marquette board back then called Ringoutahoya.com. I was there! It later became part of the Rivals network and eventually merged with Dodds.
Here's the history:
https://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/marquette_internet_forum_history
Quote from: Pakuni on March 19, 2021, 08:03:53 AM
No, there definitely was an active Marquette board back then called Ringoutahoya.com. I was there! It later became part of the Rivals network and eventually merged with Dodds.
Here's the history:
https://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/marquette_internet_forum_history
oooooo geocities... I can just picture the layout!
edit: oh, that was pre-ringoutahoya.com... that's too bad.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 19, 2021, 07:26:50 AM
Yeah, this.
It's best for everyone at this point that Wojo moves on.
But the personal invective, hoping he gets booed, and stunts like this billboard are the kind of low-class behavior I'd expect from Big Blue Nation, not Marquette. Dukiet and Deane were treated far better on their way out the door, and the latter in particular was a much worse representative for Marquette.
Of course, given that a loud segment of Scoop seems to believe Quick Rick is the answer, maybe I'm giving the fanbase too much credit.
Agreed. Just goes to show that we are as bad as those other fan bases out there that we like to judge as being over the top and single minded in their goals.
Quote from: Jables1604 on March 18, 2021, 10:05:33 PM
Fluff, what year did you graduate?
I was Class of 1990.
Ditto.
Quote from: hairy worthen on March 19, 2021, 06:40:08 AM
I agree. The money these coaches/athletes make has nothing to do with how they should be treated as humans. They should be held accountable for their own actions as well. Pretty hypocritical to say we should treat all people with respect, except if they make 2 million per year, then they are dirt.
Agree. The billboard reflects more on the people who funded it than it does on Wojo.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 19, 2021, 08:41:24 AM
Agree. The billboard reflects more on the people who funded it than it does on Wojo.
Yep. If he won more, Wojo would be a perfect coach for Marquette. Checks all the boxes except the big one that matters most. There is zero reason to denigrate him as a person.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 19, 2021, 08:41:24 AM
Agree. The billboard reflects more on the people who funded it than it does on Wojo.
Saying "Fire Wojo" on a billboard is pretty tame no?
My eyesight is not what it use to be, but what was so vitriolic toward Wojo on the billboard?
https://twitter.com/Csgkam/status/1372796589698248708
Regardless of all this, I appreciate seeing Kam respond in support of his future coach.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 19, 2021, 08:46:20 AM
Yep. If he won more, Wojo would be a perfect coach for Marquette. Checks all the boxes except the big one that matters most. There is zero reason to denigrate him as a person.
I guess Crean and Buzz are not people.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 19, 2021, 07:54:54 AM
The internet was around for the Deane years. And Chico's was Deane's biggest cheerleader (no lie).
Guess our best chance of success is to hire somebody Cheeks doesn't like.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 19, 2021, 08:46:20 AM
Yep. If he won more, Wojo would be a perfect coach for Marquette. Checks all the boxes except the big one that matters most. There is zero reason to denigrate him as a person.
I disagree that he'd be a perfect coach for Marquette. He's a clean cut guy who's never gonna make waves. He's boring. I prefer coaches like Buzz, Al, Majerus. Guys who had a little flavor and some philosopher in them. Wojo is just a bland jock.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 19, 2021, 08:57:11 AM
I disagree that he'd be a perfect coach for Marquette. He's a clean cut guy who's never gonna make waves. He's boring. I prefer coaches like Buzz, Al, Majerus. Guys who had a little flavor and some philosopher in them. Wojo is just a bland jock.
If he were a bland jock who won more, no one would give a sh*t about what you "prefer." He brings in quality guys. They give to their community while they are here. Don't get in trouble. They graduate.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 19, 2021, 08:57:11 AM
I disagree that he'd be a perfect coach for Marquette. He's a clean cut guy who's never gonna make waves. He's boring. I prefer coaches like Buzz, Al, Majerus. Guys who had a little flavor and some philosopher in them. Wojo is just a bland jock.
Are you 16? Who groups people with terms like this outside of high school and Middle school?
Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 19, 2021, 08:57:11 AM
I disagree that he'd be a perfect coach for Marquette. He's a clean cut guy who's never gonna make waves. He's boring. I prefer coaches like Buzz, Al, Majerus. Guys who had a little flavor and some philosopher in them. Wojo is just a bland jock.
Which was your favorite Buzz "wave?" The sex assault investigation? The NCAA violation? The off-court incidents?
Buzz was a terrific coach at MU, but I could have done without the waves.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 19, 2021, 09:01:00 AM
If he were a bland jock who won more, no one would give a sh*t about what you "prefer." He brings in quality guys. They give to their community while they are here. Don't get in trouble. They graduate.
Are you suggesting people give a sh*t what you prefer?
Quote from: zcg2013 on March 19, 2021, 08:50:12 AM
https://twitter.com/Csgkam/status/1372796589698248708
Regardless of all this, I appreciate seeing Kam respond in support of his future coach.
Once again - I feel bad for the kids. They don't deserve this negativity and so far, none of it has been directed towards them.
This does show the newcomers really don't have any idea what the temperature in the room is either.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 19, 2021, 09:14:45 AM
Are you suggesting people give a sh*t what you prefer?
No. I have never stated what I prefer. A coach who does what Wojo has done but wins more, is perfect. I don't care what his personality is or how "boring" or "exciting" he is.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 19, 2021, 09:01:22 AM
Huh?
How many times have posters here perhaps seriously and in jest have said "Crean sucks". Did I miss the teal on denigrating him as a person? If so I do apologize as we always seem to communicate on different frequencies.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 19, 2021, 08:57:11 AM
I disagree that he'd be a perfect coach for Marquette. He's a clean cut guy who's never gonna make waves. He's boring. I prefer coaches like Buzz, Al, Majerus. Guys who had a little flavor and some philosopher in them. Wojo is just a bland jock.
I remember I was excited for some blandness off the court after Buzz. I liked Buzz as a coach but some of the off the court stuff was a bit exhausting.
If Wojo was winning at a high level, I couldn't care less if he said the same thing in every interview and was the most boring coach in the country.
Quote from: panda on March 19, 2021, 09:15:57 AM
Once again - I feel bad for the kids. They don't deserve this negativity and so far, none of it has been directed towards them.
This does show the newcomers really don't have any idea what the temperature in the room is either.
Yup. New recruits are almost always going to have a really good relationship with the coach who recruited them. Probably the main reason they committed.
High major basketball is a completely different animal then even the best high school teams though.
It's gonna be ugly with fans next year. Feel for the players like yourself. Hope they're able to separate the disappointment for the coach with the team itself.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 19, 2021, 09:10:02 AM
Which was your favorite Buzz "wave?" The sex assault investigation? The NCAA violation? The off-court incidents?
Buzz was a terrific coach at MU, but I could have done without the waves.
And Tom Izzo, whose had all of those and more is loved and fawned on by alumni and press alike. And, worse...MU fans (most half seriously) would take Pitino.
MU wants higher academic student athletes with clean off the court behavior. But they confuse us fanatics when they also claim we should compete for national championships. Seldom do they go hand in hand, and MU needs to step in and manage these fan and alumni expectations.
The next PAC article should delve into the academic and off court accomplishments in their next case on Wojo. This is one of the main points why Wojo was hired. Or maybe they need to court appoint Cheeks as the counsel for the defense?
ND sucks.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 19, 2021, 10:02:14 AM
And Tom Izzo, whose had all of those and more is loved and fawned on by alumni and press alike. And, worse...MU fans (most half seriously) would take Pitino.
MU wants higher academic student athletes with clean off the court behavior. But they confuse us fanatics when they also claim we should compete for national championships. Seldom do they go hand in hand, and MU needs to step in and manage these fan and alumni expectations.
The next PAC article should delve into the academic and off court accomplishments in their next case on Wojo. This is one of the main points why Wojo was hired. Or maybe they need to court appoint Cheeks as the counsel for the defense?
Ah, the ever popular false dilemma fallacy, in which Marquette's sole options are a seedy program that wins or a respectable program that loses.
What if I were to tell you it's possible to have a successful program without completely compromising one's ethics? What if I were to tell you such programs actually exist?
Not scandal free, because you can never count on college kids to be perfect and the NCAA rulebook is so convoluted that unintentional violations are hard to avoid. But also not one that embraces the worst aspects of college athletics for the sake of a few more wins.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 19, 2021, 08:49:23 AM
My eyesight is not what it use to be, but what was so vitriolic toward Wojo on the billboard?
It showed his coaching record at MU.....which is a scary.....and apparently some here find it unfair and malicious.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 19, 2021, 09:21:46 AM
No. I have never stated what I prefer. A coach who does what Wojo has done but wins more, is perfect. I don't care what his personality is or how "boring" or "exciting" he is.
In this post you are stating what you prefer. You're not only doing that but going even further to suggest it's perfect.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 19, 2021, 10:02:14 AM
And Tom Izzo, whose had all of those and more is loved and fawned on by alumni and press alike. And, worse...MU fans (most half seriously) would take Pitino.
MU wants higher academic student athletes with clean off the court behavior. But they confuse us fanatics when they also claim we should compete for national championships. Seldom do they go hand in hand, and MU needs to step in and manage these fan and alumni expectations.
The next PAC article should delve into the academic and off court accomplishments in their next case on Wojo. This is one of the main points why Wojo was hired. Or maybe they need to court appoint Cheeks as the counsel for the defense?
Who here is confused? I don't think anyone is confused. It's time to stop pretending big time college athletics is anything but that. If the kids are great students that's fantastic but the primary focus should be on winning. If that's not what the administration believes then the results will not change. A whole lot of self righteous people can get up in arms but the truth is we should be recruiting the best basketball players we can get into the program even more f poor students or no path to graduate. Many of those kids need a way to get ahead in life and will benefit from their MU experience even if not excelling academically.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 19, 2021, 08:04:50 AM
oooooo geocities... I can just picture the layout!
Here's the layout of the sportsonly forum:
https://web.archive.org/web/19981205150452/http://www.sportsonly.com/a/6025/
https://web.archive.org/web/20010614072856/http://www.sportsonly.com/a/6025/
Quote from: Pakuni on March 19, 2021, 10:31:21 AM
Ah, the ever popular false dilemma fallacy, in which Marquette's sole options are a seedy program that wins or a respectable program that loses.
What if I were to tell you it's possible to have a successful program without completely compromising one's ethics? What if I were to tell you such programs actually exist?
Not scandal free, because you can never count on college kids to be perfect and the NCAA rulebook is so convoluted that unintentional violations are hard to avoid. But also not one that embraces the worst aspects of college athletics for the sake of a few more wins.
Nice deflection. Coach K, Cal, $ Bill Self, Brad Underwood, Will Wade, Boeheim, Drew, Ole Roy, Pitino say hi too. Btw, they are all dancing but K this year. Heck, how did Texas Tech get so good so quickly? Oh, they have Adams sitting on the bench.
I will be cheering for Few and Wright, but they are the exceptions. If MU truly wants to be like them, then they need to stop hiring top assistants or the next great mid-major coach. Or stop overbuilding on court promise followed up by hollow excuses as why the team underachieved on the court.
MU has done a horrible job of communicating the expectations they have of the program on the court to alumni and fans. As the result, you get this public display and Wojo gets 100% of the fan blame, when in fact, the admin is very pleased with Wojo.
It will be telling if MU addresses this or not. Are they getting pressed?
Quote from: Marquette Overload on March 19, 2021, 10:57:16 AM
Here's the layout of the sportsonly forum:
https://web.archive.org/web/19981205150452/http://www.sportsonly.com/a/6025/
https://web.archive.org/web/20010614072856/http://www.sportsonly.com/a/6025/
Ah yes, like caveman scratching on stone walls. Looks great!
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 19, 2021, 11:04:23 AM
Ah yes, like caveman scratching on stone walls. Looks great!
The depressing part is UCLA's main forum is still in that format
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 19, 2021, 11:04:05 AM
Nice deflection. Coach K, Cal, $ Bill Self, Brad Underwood, Will Wade, Boeheim, Drew, Ole Roy, Pitino say hi too. Btw, they are all dancing but K this year. Heck, how did Texas Tech get so good so quickly? Oh, they have Adams sitting on the bench.
I will be cheering for Few and Wright, but they are the exceptions. If MU truly wants to be like them, then they need to stop hiring top assistants or the next great mid-major coach. Or stop overbuilding on court promise followed up by hollow excuses as why the team underachieved on the court.
MU has done a horrible job of communicating the expectations they have of the program on the court to alumni and fans. As the result, you get this public display and Wojo gets 100% of the fan blame, when in fact, the admin is very pleased with Wojo.
It will be telling if MU addresses this or not. Are they getting pressed?
Wright was head coach at Hofstra and Few was an assistant at Gonzaga before being named HC. Where do people get the idea that all these other top schools are poaching sitting high major coaches?
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 19, 2021, 11:04:05 AM
Nice deflection. Coach K, Cal, $ Bill Self, Brad Underwood, Will Wade, Boeheim, Drew, Ole Roy, Pitino say hi too. Btw, they are all dancing but K this year. Heck, how did Texas Tech get so good so quickly? Oh, they have Adams sitting on the bench.
I will be cheering for Few and Wright, but they are the exceptions. If MU truly wants to be like them, then they need to stop hiring top assistants or the next great mid-major coach. Or stop overbuilding on court promise followed up by hollow excuses as why the team underachieved on the court.
MU has done a horrible job of communicating the expectations they have of the program on the court to alumni and fans. As the result, you get this public display and Wojo gets 100% of the fan blame, when in fact, the admin is very pleased with Wojo.
It will be telling if MU addresses this or not. Are they getting pressed?
WOW
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 19, 2021, 11:11:17 AM
Wright was head coach at Hofstra and Few was an assistant at Gonzaga before being named HC. Where do people get the idea that all these other top schools are poaching sitting high major coaches?
I think Jay Wright is a good comparison for a coach developing. I don't think Villanova is too dissimilar to Marquette in terms of resources, in fact Marquette's basketball resources may be better.
But Jay struggled his first three years, and then went S16, E8, R64, S16, F4 in his next five years. I do think people were overly critical of Wojo in his first few seasons, but he hasn't shown the improvement since then.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 19, 2021, 11:15:16 AM
I think Jay Wright is a good comparison for a coach developing. I don't think Villanova is too dissimilar to Marquette in terms of resources, in fact Marquette's basketball resources may be better.
But Jay struggled his first three years, and then went S16, E8, R64, S16, F4 in his next five years. I do think people were overly critical of Wojo in his first few seasons, but he hasn't shown the improvement since then.
I don't like the argument of people not judging him for the first couple of years. Not winning because of personal is fine.
Those of us who called for wojo to be out early just recognized what the rest of you finally have. He can't coach.
Quote from: Farley36 on March 19, 2021, 10:49:19 AM
Who here is confused? I don't think anyone is confused. It's time to stop pretending big time college athletics is anything but that. If the kids are great students that's fantastic but the primary focus should be on winning. If that's not what the administration believes then the results will not change. A whole lot of self righteous people can get up in arms but the truth is we should be recruiting the best basketball players we can get into the program even more f poor students or no path to graduate. Many of those kids need a way to get ahead in life and will benefit from their MU experience even if not excelling academically.
That is a fine perspective IF you are not an alumni (I'm assuming you are not) and look at the athletes in the program a pure commodities.
Thankfully Marquette doesn't view it the way you do. The student athletes represent the university on the court, in the classroom, in the community, and in society after they graduate. The institution should take all of those attributes into consideration when recruiting and do everything in its power to support them to be successful in those areas. That's not being self righteous, it's doing the right thing for the student athletes and Marquette as an institution.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 19, 2021, 11:04:05 AM
Nice deflection. Coach K, Cal, $ Bill Self, Brad Underwood, Will Wade, Boeheim, Drew, Ole Roy, Pitino say hi too. Btw, they are all dancing but K this year. Heck, how did Texas Tech get so good so quickly? Oh, they have Adams sitting on the bench.
I will be cheering for Few and Wright, but they are the exceptions. If MU truly wants to be like them, then they need to stop hiring top assistants or the next great mid-major coach. Or stop overbuilding on court promise followed up by hollow excuses as why the team underachieved on the court.
MU has done a horrible job of communicating the expectations they have of the program on the court to alumni and fans. As the result, you get this public display and Wojo gets 100% of the fan blame, when in fact, the admin is very pleased with Wojo.
It will be telling if MU addresses this or not. Are they getting pressed?
Nobody's deflecting. You're just laying out a false choice.
You know who else says hi? Bennett, Painter, Musselman, Oats, McCaffery, Smart, Barnes, Kruger, Holtman, Pope, Boyle and even (gulp) Gard.
Most of these guys, by the way, were hired to their current gigs from mid-majors ... as were Beard, Drew, Wright, Altman, Wade and so on.
If you're confused by what the athletic department's mission is, that's on you, because they've been telling you with their actions for the last 20+ years. They want to build a competitive program while also adhering to the university's ethics and mission.
That's really hard and there's no guarantee of success, as we've seen. But as we've also seen, it's not impossible. If you prefer an easier route to wins, maybe your loyalties are misplaced.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 19, 2021, 12:14:31 PM
Nobody's deflecting. You're just laying out a false choice.
You know who else says hi? Bennett, Painter, Musselman, Oats, McCaffery, Smart, Barnes, Kruger, Holtman, Pope, Boyle and even (gulp) Gard.
Most of these guys, by the way, were hired to their current gigs from mid-majors ... as were Beard, Drew, Wright, Altman, Wade and so on.
If you're confused by what the athletic department's mission is, that's on you, because they've been telling you with their actions for the last 20+ years. They want to build a competitive program while also adhering to the university's ethics and mission.
That's really hard and there's no guarantee of success, as we've seen. But as we've also seen, it's not impossible. If you prefer an easier route to wins, maybe your loyalties are misplaced.
Okay, cool, moral high horse and other ways to win and yada yada yada. You're right, there are coaches who win, and win clean. But Wojo's not one of the guys who can do that, and he needs to go. Do you disagree with this?
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 19, 2021, 11:04:05 AM
Nice deflection. Coach K, Cal, $ Bill Self, Brad Underwood, Will Wade, Boeheim, Drew, Ole Roy, Pitino say hi too. Btw, they are all dancing but K this year. Heck, how did Texas Tech get so good so quickly? Oh, they have Adams sitting on the bench.
I will be cheering for Few and Wright, but they are the exceptions. If MU truly wants to be like them, then they need to stop hiring top assistants or the next great mid-major coach. Or stop overbuilding on court promise followed up by hollow excuses as why the team underachieved on the court.
MU has done a horrible job of communicating the expectations they have of the program on the court to alumni and fans. As the result, you get this public display and Wojo gets 100% of the fan blame, when in fact, the admin is very pleased with Wojo.
It will be telling if MU addresses this or not. Are they getting pressed?
If only the admin would tell me they are ok with no NCAA wins in 7 seasons and being a consistently bottom half team in the Big East. If they had I'd be completely happy with Wojo. Glad I now know what to think. 🙄
Quote from: naginiF on March 19, 2021, 11:50:54 AM
That is a fine perspective IF you are not an alumni (I'm assuming you are not) and look at the athletes in the program a pure commodities.
Thankfully Marquette doesn't view it the way you do. The student athletes represent the university on the court, in the classroom, in the community, and in society after they graduate. The institution should take all of those attributes into consideration when recruiting and do everything in its power to support them to be successful in those areas. That's not being self righteous, it's doing the right thing for the student athletes and Marquette as an institution.
Interesting, I look forward to Marquette pushing for NIL this off season then.
Quote from: naginiF on March 19, 2021, 11:50:54 AM
That is a fine perspective IF you are not an alumni (I'm assuming you are not) and look at the athletes in the program a pure commodities.
Thankfully Marquette doesn't view it the way you do. The student athletes represent the university on the court, in the classroom, in the community, and in society after they graduate. The institution should take all of those attributes into consideration when recruiting and do everything in its power to support them to be successful in those areas. That's not being self righteous, it's doing the right thing for the student athletes and Marquette as an institution.
Not only am I am alumni, I am a 2x alumni. Undergrad and MU Law. You also can do the right thing for basketball players who come from bad backgrounds and are not great students.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 19, 2021, 12:18:48 PM
Okay, cool, moral high horse and other ways to win and yada yada yada. You're right, there are coaches who win, and win clean. But Wojo's not one of the guys who can do that, and he needs to go. Do you disagree with this?
No, I think it's best if Wojo goes. I just don't buy the notion that the only way to win is by hiring the likes of Rick Pitino and abandoning the university's ethics and mission. Or that coaches that run generally clean programs and win are unicorns.
Quote from: naginiF on March 19, 2021, 11:50:54 AM
That is a fine perspective IF you are not an alumni (I'm assuming you are not) and look at the athletes in the program a pure commodities.
Thankfully Marquette doesn't view it the way you do. The student athletes represent the university on the court, in the classroom, in the community, and in society after they graduate. The institution should take all of those attributes into consideration when recruiting and do everything in its power to support them to be successful in those areas. That's not being self righteous, it's doing the right thing for the student athletes and Marquette as an institution.
It's also very telling that most of your opinion is based on how the student athletes will represent the university rather than a student centric view of how can MU best serve these basketball players once they step through the doors.
The program should recruit the best basketball players possible (that aren't criminals) and help them be as successful as possible in life. If that's preparing them for a basketball career they should. If it's helping someone from an underserved demographic do enough in school to better their situation in life then they should do that.
Screw needing to focus on student athletes who fit a certain model a bunch of old, white boomers seem acceptable representatives of the University.
Quote from: Farley36 on March 19, 2021, 12:27:14 PM
Not only am I am alumni, I am a 2x alumni. Undergrad and MU Law. You also can do the right thing for basketball players who come from bad backgrounds and are not great students.
I must have misinterpreted the "no path to graduate"
Quote from: Farley36 on March 19, 2021, 10:49:19 AM
A whole lot of self righteous people can get up in arms but the truth is we should be recruiting the best basketball players we can get into the program even more f poor students or no path to graduate.