For the first time over a decade of existence, Cracked Sidewalks, Anonymous Eagle and Paint Touches have united to create and publish a post concurrently. We have seen enough.
The case against Wojo as Marquette's head coach is clear. The #mubbPAC of @PaintTouches, @AnonymousEagle and @CrackedSidewlks makes the case that it's time to move on.
http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2021/03/the-case-against-steve-wojciechowski.html
Boom goes the dynamite.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 18, 2021, 10:00:47 AM
For the first time over a decade of existence, Cracked Sidewalks, Anonymous Eagle and Paint Touches have united to create and publish a post concurrently. We have seen enough.
The case against Wojo as Marquette's head coach is clear. The #mubbPAC of @PaintTouches, @AnonymousEagle and @CrackedSidewlks makes the case that it's time to move on.
http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2021/03/the-case-against-steve-wojciechowski.html
Bravo, guys. Thoughtful, rational and realistic.
You're supposed to wait until after Utah hires him! :-)
Well done.
Now THAT'S an article. Well done!
Ya oughta email dis two da administration, aina?
Quote from: panda on March 18, 2021, 10:12:16 AM
You're supposed to wait until after Utah hires him! :-)
Well done.
That was my first thought. Hopefully he doesn't put this in the appendix of his PPT.
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Pretty much the entire fan base is now against him. Why would he even want to stay? He must not be able to get a job anywhere else.
Someone should post that on Dodds board and watch his head explode.
Clear, comprehensive and convincing. Boom.
The storm is upon us.
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 18, 2021, 10:25:18 AM
Someone should post that on Dodds board and watch his head explode.
He's banned everyone and anyone with dissenting opinions.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 18, 2021, 10:13:13 AM
Ya oughta email dis two da administration, aina?
Considering Bill Scholl was quoted for this article in the opening, I'm sure they'll see it. ;)
Itz knot weather ya fall dat mattas, itz how ya get up, aina?
Utterly fantastic, and kudos to all involved not just for the article, but for making the effort to create a strong and unified voice to show how dire the situation is.
Great article. There is a small typo at the links just below the four factors argument. May want to fix!
This is an indictment on how bad of a coach he is, and his seeming refusal to change. Thank you all for researching this info.
Every person involved in decisions about our basketball program, from the President, BOT, AD, and the entire administration, should receive 1000 copies of this article and synopsis every day until a change is made. #Enough is Enough
Thanks guys. I am not a numbers person, and had many of the same opinions. The numbers make the situation even worse than the visual impressions.
Uh uh. Tower and Tamu and the other defenders need to start researching for better excuses.
That said, Hausergate is what finally did it for me, and a number here tended to slough that off.
Now it certainly is up to the ghost powers that be to make a decision. It may already be too late.
While people can post their opinions on MU BB here, right now the most important and central focus should be: what now?
That is an excellent article.
Thank you.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 18, 2021, 10:44:19 AM
Uh uh. Tower and Tamu and the other defenders need to start researching for better excuses.
That said, Hausergate is what finally did it for me, and a number here tended to slough that off.
Now it certainly is up to the ghost powers that be to make a decision. It may already be too late.
While people can post their opinions on MU BB here, right now the most important and central focus should be: what now?
TAMU literally writes for Paint Touches
Wow. Haymaker after haymaker, and not one lie spoken. Wojo's issues were evident very early and this is as comprehensive a detailing as possible. It's refreshing to see the fanbase is finally galvanized
Great compilation and unified message. I would have gone deeper on roster composition, a point I started with early in his tenure. That said, most if not all of this has been debated going back years on Scoop. Not a lot new in here other than the entire prosecutor's case all in one place.
However, Scholl's response should be telling to us Scoopers: This reads to me that Wojo is coming back and that the MU Admin values his off court performance more than his on-court. Let's hope MU wins everyday on the waiver wire.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 18, 2021, 10:36:25 AM
Great article. There is a small typo at the links just below the four factors argument. May want to fix!
This:
QuoteMU's era-long struggles defensively have been chronicled for years and years and years. struggles defensively have been chronicled for years and years and years.
When did Scholl say that?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 18, 2021, 10:45:11 AM
TAMU literally writes for Paint Touches
Beat me to it.
I do think it would be more beneficial if a national outlet picked this up instead of just an email campaign.
You can hide emails from the public, not so much an article that gets passed around from sports outlet to sports outlet.
Where's Rush when ya need 'im, hey?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 18, 2021, 10:45:11 AM
TAMU literally writes for Paint Touches
Your point? He also literally writes to support Wojo. As you do.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 18, 2021, 10:49:57 AM
When did Scholl say that?
It's in the article, near the beginning.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 18, 2021, 10:48:01 AM
Great compilation and unified message. I would have gone deeper on roster composition, a point I started with early in his tenure. That said, most if not all of this has been debated going back years on Scoop. Not a lot new in here other than the entire prosecutor's case all in one place.
However, Scholl's response should be telling to us Scoopers: This reads to me that Wojo is coming back and that the MU Admin values his off court performance more than his on-court. Let's hope MU wins everyday on the waiver wire.
Without fans in the stands this year, I believe the powers that be truly don't understand the level of frustration from the fan base. At the very least, the reception of "The Letter 2.0" should open up the eyes of Scholl et all. If Wojo is back next year, I already feel for the kids on the team who will have to deal with boo birds and significant amounts of negativity which the leaders of the program have brought upon themselves.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 18, 2021, 10:54:59 AM
It's in the article, near the beginning.
I mean did they reach him for comment on the article and that's his response? Did he give a press conference? Did someone email him saying "fire Wojo" and that was his response?
Im just curious about the context of it.
I think most agree that the kids on the court/bench do not deserve boos. Wojo-Dukiet does and likely will. Admin needs to prepare for that also.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 18, 2021, 10:59:51 AM
I think most agree that the kids on the court/bench do not deserve boos. Wojo-Dukiet does and likely will. Admin needs to prepare for that also.
Absolutely correct.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 18, 2021, 10:58:26 AM
I mean did they reach him for comment on the article and that's his response? Did he give a press conference? Did someone email him saying "fire Wojo" and that was his response?
Im just curious about the context of it.
We reached out for comment and Scholl called to give this response. He was responding not to the content of the article, which was not complete at the time of the call, but the state of the program.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 18, 2021, 11:03:08 AM
We reached out for comment and Scholl called to give this response. He was responding not to the content of the article, which was not complete at the time of the call, but the state of the program.
Gotcha, thanks for context.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 18, 2021, 10:54:38 AM
Your point? He also literally writes to support Wojo. As you do.
No, we don't.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 18, 2021, 11:03:08 AM
We reached out for comment and Scholl called to give this response. He was responding not to the content of the article, which was not complete at the time of the call, but the state of the program.
And he certainly isn't going to be anything but 100% supportive of his coach while giving a quote regardless of the circumstances.
Also, if the content of this article is concerning to anyone here, I would urge you to share it with Marquette's administration and Athletic Department. Particular season ticket holders and boosters. They know our opinion, but I do think it matters if they hear others who contribute financially to the program share that opinion or have similar concerns.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 18, 2021, 11:05:16 AM
No, we don't.
OK. I stand corrected. Not anymore, but previously.
great fact based writing and very good wrap up.
Great article. But Wojo isn't going anywhere.
nm
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 18, 2021, 11:11:12 AM
Great article. But Wojo isn't going anywhere.
Yep. I think that is a fairly accurate statement.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 18, 2021, 10:44:19 AM
Uh uh. Tower and Tamu and the other defenders need to start researching for better excuses.
That said, Hausergate is what finally did it for me, and a number here tended to slough that off.
Now it certainly is up to the ghost powers that be to make a decision. It may already be too late.
While people can post their opinions on MU BB here, right now the most important and central focus should be: what now?
What now? Attack relentlessly like an unstoppable rebel force. Demand a termination and immediate change. But without violence of course. "Between my finger and my thumb the squat pen rests snug as a gun". This comprehensive and 100% accurate plea by these fine writers is a step in the right direction. It needs national exposure.
Crean sucks
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 18, 2021, 11:16:29 AM
I'd take Tanned Tommy in a heartbeat
Provided he quits zipping his pants up when on the sidelines. Where is that clip when you need it?
I'm positive the target audience for this editorial is the administration who sees no bad basketball, does not want to hear how bad we play basketball and definitely will not speak badly about the program. Otherwise your preaching to the choir who with a resounding crescendo is singing hit the road Steve and don't you come back no more no more.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 18, 2021, 11:03:08 AM
We reached out for comment and Scholl called to give this response. He was responding not to the content of the article, which was not complete at the time of the call, but the state of the program.
Hard to read into this one way or another, but if they were on the verge of making a change I can't imagine he would've responded at all.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 18, 2021, 11:12:45 AM
What now? Attack relentlessly like an unstoppable rebel force. Demand a termination and immediate change. But without violence of course. "Between my finger and my thumb the squat pen rests snug as a gun". This comprehensive and 100% accurate plea by these fine writers is a step in the right direction. It needs national exposure.
Lots of great detail and analysis in this article, does all the homework for national-level sportswriters and on-air sports people. Is this a major issue for a national discussion—probably not. But never underestimate the powers of pre-packaged controversy to fill air time and create article clicks
Get it out there and start tracking metrics to see where this info gets discussed.
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 18, 2021, 11:21:23 AM
Hard to read into this one way or another, but if they were on the verge of making a change I can't imagine he would've responded at all.
Couldn't agree more, there's no change coming. Very well written article though 👏👏
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 18, 2021, 11:16:29 AM
I'd take Tanned Tommy in a heartbeat
Nah man, have some self-respect, hey?
Starting to take off a bit.
https://twitter.com/coachingchanges/status/1372585488402448388?s=21
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 18, 2021, 11:27:13 AM
Nah man, have some self-respect, hey?
How about Ners. Remember him?
QuoteMarquette spends more on basketball than any other Big East team, and in the top 10 nationally, per the 2019 Department of Education report. The accounting on how schools get to these exact numbers isn't always clear, but even with that caveat, it is fair to say that MU is in the top .03% of all schools when it comes to funding the men's basketball team.
For numbers guys I'd expect you to know top 10 is top 3%, top .03% would make us...the top spending program, by about tenfold ;D
I also wish you wouldn't have thrown kenpom preseason into the argument, but that's a personal nit. Don't discredit yourself by using computer numbers that are guesses.
Barstool Marquette with an Instagram post of a truck billboard that says make Marquette great again.. fire Wojo..
advertising to go with the article drop..
Quote from: Boston Warrior on March 18, 2021, 11:45:54 AM
Barstool Marquette with an Instagram post of a truck billboard that says make Marquette great again.. fire Wojo..
advertising to go with the article drop..
Seemed like it was parked out in front of the Al, too
Hard to argue with that.
Alan, we all appreciate your strong voice on this.
Although I have serious doubts whether this or anything else will lead to Wojo being shown the door, it was filled with solid data.
Well done, and keep up the fight!
Quote from: PaceArrow02 on March 18, 2021, 11:23:59 AM
Couldn't agree more, there's no change coming. Very well written article though 👏👏
It should be easy enough to update next March.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 18, 2021, 11:37:35 AM
For numbers guys I'd expect you to know top 10 is top 3%, top .03% would make us...the top spending program, by about tenfold ;D
I also wish you wouldn't have thrown kenpom preseason into the argument, but that's a personal nit. Don't discredit yourself by using computer numbers that are guesses.
Fixed the math glitch, thanks. Can't believe I didn't catch that in editing ;D
As far as the kenpom preseason part, it was used as a piece of the whole to underscore how his teams have underachieved. Whether you place value on overall winning percentage (paragraph 1 of the section), March success (paragraph 2), Big East results (paragraph 3), Big East results compared to preseason expectations (paragraph 4), or advanced metric expectations (paragraph 5) Wojo's teams have consistently underperformed all of those criteria.
@CoachingChanges retweeted cracked sidewalks link.
mmmmm national news
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 18, 2021, 11:11:12 AM
Great article. But Wojo isn't going anywhere.
All of you who keep bringing this point up seem to think that since he's coming back there should be no discussion of what a horrible coach he is and all the damage he's done to Marquette basketball.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 18, 2021, 11:58:39 AM
@CoachingChanges retweeted cracked sidewalks link.
mmmmm national news
Now Rob Dauster. Definitely getting out there. Also, gives more credence that national media is retweeting. This isn't just a few upset MU fans that see a problem.
https://twitter.com/robdauster/status/1372593424860385281?s=21
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 18, 2021, 11:58:05 AM
Fixed the math glitch, thanks. Can't believe I didn't catch that in editing ;D
As far as the kenpom preseason part, it was used as a piece of the whole to underscore how his teams have underachieved. Whether you place value on overall winning percentage (paragraph 1 of the section), March success (paragraph 2), Big East results (paragraph 3), Big East results compared to preseason expectations (paragraph 4), or advanced metric expectations (paragraph 5) Wojo's teams have consistently underperformed all of those criteria.
Great!
I get the "all metrics" part, but computer preseason and early season numbers are largely crap. In fact most preseason numbers (human too) are crap. For Wojo, I think it's enough to say the end of season numbers are not trending in the right direction.
Absolutely wonderful article. Thank you to the writers and contributors behind it. Our voices are getting louder and the movement grows stronger.
This is not a good situation for anyone but change is needed. Hope something happens in the coming days. Otherwise next year will make these past few years look like a Disney picnic.
This is a rare professional, grade "A" piece, and a work of true journalism. It may not get the job done this year, but it has probably resulted in a mortal wound.
As a footnote, it ended for me, when the Hauser brothers left ... and, the coach was so unapproachable, or so clueless, they had to write a letter to make sure there was a record. Management 101 teaches one to never let such a thing develop ... unless, of course, you don't get it. Wojo clearly doesn't get it.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 18, 2021, 12:03:39 PM
Now Rob Dauster. Definitely getting out there. Also, gives more credence that national media is retweeting. This isn't just a few upset MU fans that see a problem.
https://twitter.com/robdauster/status/1372593424860385281?s=21
Yup, that's what the article needed. If Goodman or Rothstein retweet it at all admin has to at least come out with a statement.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 18, 2021, 12:14:58 PM
Yup, that's what the article needed. If Goodman or Rothstein retweet it at all admin has to at least come out with a statement.
"We played through a pandemic; the kids were tired. Firmly believe in and stand by Steve leading our program forward"
Paywall so I can't read it, but Steele with an article today too:
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2021/03/18/marquette-last-made-ncaa-tournament-2013/4745378001/
Quote from: Farley36 on March 18, 2021, 12:01:18 PM
All of you who keep bringing this point up seem to think that since he's coming back there should be no discussion of what a horrible coach he is and all the damage he's done to Marquette basketball.
Literally nobody thinks this.
What some of us have said is that every post -- even those on Superbar subjects like what TV shows people are watching -- doesn't need to be turned into a Fire Wojo thread because there are dozens of those.
But you be you.
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on March 18, 2021, 12:16:35 PM
"We played through a pandemic; the kids were tired. Firmly believe in and stand by Steve leading our program forward"
That's fine if they say that but that only makes them and Wojo look worse.
Quote from: Farley36 on March 18, 2021, 12:01:18 PM
All of you who keep bringing this point up seem to think that since he's coming back there should be no discussion of what a horrible coach he is and all the damage he's done to Marquette basketball.
"All the damage he has done", a little dramatic. I love the discussion and have been an active contributor to the discussion. Just managing my own expectations and reminding myself that if the change hasn't happened yet it won't happen now just cause a few Marquette die hard fans/bloggers put together a fantastic argument for it and one that largely supports the views of the overall fan base. If can dissatisfaction was enough the change would have been made at the end of last year or as soon as this season ended imo.
It's either BOT is happy with the way the program is being run despite lackluster results or financial reasons for keeping him around. Fan input doesn't appear to be in the equation at this point.
Quote from: MU82 on March 18, 2021, 12:18:56 PM
Literally nobody thinks this.
What some of us have said is that every post -- even those on Superbar subjects like what TV shows people are watching -- doesn't need to be turned into a Fire Wojo thread because there are dozens of those.
But you be you.
Literally in every discussion on Wojo there is someone like you who says doesn't matter because he's not getting fired. this thread is about an article laying out why he should be fired and a couple people had to say some version "good article but he's not getting fired." You and I both know the intent of that is "shut up about Wojo because he'll be here next year."
Quote from: PaceArrow02 on March 18, 2021, 12:21:56 PM
"All the damage he has done", a little dramatic. I love the discussion and have been an active contributor to the discussion. Just managing my own expectations and reminding myself that if the change hasn't happened yet it won't happen now just cause a few Marquette die hard fans/bloggers put together a fantastic argument for it and one that largely supports the views of the overall fan base. If can dissatisfaction was enough the change would have been made at the end of last year or as soon as this season ended imo.
It's either BOT is happy with the way the program is being run despite lackluster results or financial reasons for keeping him around. Fan input doesn't appear to be in the equation at this point.
All the damage he has done is dramatic? Did you read the article? 😂 You seem to be under the impression that because the administration is dumb enough to retain him that we should all be happy and shut up about it.
Dodd's head is so far up the administration's ass that he either could not read it or it would keep his head from exploding.
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 18, 2021, 10:25:18 AM
Someone should post that on Dodds board and watch his head explode.
Good analysis and well written. Wojo may run a clean program (important) and be a nice guy, but facts don't care about feelings and you lay out the facts concisely. Hopefully, it at least gives the BoT and administration something to think about (more likely next year than this).
Quote from: Farley36 on March 18, 2021, 12:25:25 PM
All the damage he has done is dramatic? Did you read the article? 😂 You seem to be under the impression that because the administration is dumb enough to retain him that we should all be happy and shut up about it.
I said the exact opposite.
Quote from: Farley36 on March 18, 2021, 12:25:25 PM
All the damage he has done is dramatic? Did you read the article? 😂 You seem to be under the impression that because the administration is dumb enough to retain him that we should all be happy and shut up about it.
"I'm so angry at the situation I'm going to a fan forum and incessantly complain that others aren't angry enough!"
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 18, 2021, 12:04:18 PM
Great!
I get the "all metrics" part, but computer preseason and early season numbers are largely crap. In fact most preseason numbers (human too) are crap. For Wojo, I think it's enough to say the end of season numbers are not trending in the right direction.
Actually, they are based on models and the thing about models, they can be validated. KPom is one of the best (TRank is the lowest). But of course the error bands. For his, it's plus or minus 20% at the SD. It's a great, objective benchmark to irrational fan expectations.
So when you say "crap", I'd take that any day for accuracy compared to trend spotters (about 90% WRONG) or new products (about 90% failure rate). I did a CS piece way back on rating the experts on polls (reporters and coaches), and their preseason rankings were about 57% accurate. Give me KPom, Luddites!
This is a pretty damning article. Good read. Hard for the administration to ignore, one would think.
While Wojo is likely here next year, there is still a possibility that, whether he finds a school foolish enough to hire him or somehow, despite MU's financial problems, he is fired. I know that the longer there is no announcement the more it looks like we are stuck with him. Hopefully, there will be enough national embarrassment after this circulates that the BOT, Lovell and Scholl may decide to reconsider their (assumed) decision to keep him.
Scholl's comments mean nothing to me. Instead of coachspeak we got ADspeak.
Quote from: naginiF on March 18, 2021, 12:31:05 PM
"I'm so angry at the situation I'm going to a fan forum and incessantly complain that others aren't angry enough!"
No I'm actually complaining that some fans seem to think that everyone should stop talking about the only important MUBB issue there is just because the administration is stupid enough to let the problem persist.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 18, 2021, 12:31:19 PM
Actually, they are based on models and the thing about models, they can be validated. KPom is one of the best (TRank is the lowest). But of course the error bands. For his, it's plus or minus 20% at the SD. It's a great, objective benchmark to irrational fan expectations.
So when you say "crap", I'd take that any day for accuracy compared to trend spotters (about 90% WRONG) or new products (about 90% failure rate). I did a CS piece way back on rating the experts on polls (reporters and coaches), and their preseason rankings were about 57% accurate. Give me KPom, Luddites!
And I think the point of including them isn't that the pre-season ranks aren't always 100% accurate, but that that he is constantly underperforming them.
Outstanding article by guys who routinely do great work. You have my appreciation.
Wojo is just a generic caricature of a coach. He does nothing well while helming his team. He is as bland on the bench as he is in real life. His only ability is recruiting - and even that is overrated at times.
Quote from: Farley36 on March 18, 2021, 12:36:59 PM
No I'm actually complaining that some fans seem to think that everyone should stop talking about the only important MUBB issue there is just because the administration is stupid enough to let the problem persist.
I've yet to see anyone who seems to think that people should stop talking about it. I don't think saying, "he's not getting fired" is even remotely the same thing as telling people to talk talking about it. From a lot of the people who say it, it's just an expression of still more frustration/pessimism about the situation.*
*And also an opinion that not every thread on the site must be about what a train wreck we have on our hands.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 18, 2021, 12:31:19 PM
I did a CS piece way back on rating the experts on polls (reporters and coaches), and their preseason rankings were about 57% accurate. Give me KPom, Luddites!
Isn't that similar to wojo's winning %? Success! lol.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 18, 2021, 12:42:27 PM
And I think the point of including them isn't that the pre-season ranks aren't always 100% accurate, but that that he is constantly underperforming them.
Generally underperforming. But again, it doesn't matter where you start. It only matters where you end. I love kenpom, but preseason computer models are crap.
Keep attacking boys.
Attack, attack, attack.
#Attack and Sack Wojo
:)
I think you all have me and most of the realists wrong.
We know the record. It sucks.
We know how good Marquette can be. Many of us were then when ....
Our good friends at Cracked Sidewalks, Anonymous Eagle and Paint Touches went beyond the record and explained, "why." Cracked Sidewalks was right on with the Hausers being the defining moment and it being a Management breakdown.
It's not what we want -- good lord, most of us if asked point blank, would argue a change is necessary. Period. Me included.
But, we love the program and we love Marquette University. We're realistic enough to believe that Wojo is going no where because there's no appetite for a change. So, if he's going to stay, other things have to change. And, as I pointed out yesterday, you have to sell that a difference is coming. Something we all acknowledge hasn't happened so far. I wish the Administration would see this -- I'm not sure they do -- and I really don't have a lot of confidence in their ability to find someone like Nate Oats who can lead us back to what we once were.
This year, I felt like the team was more concerned about social issues than they were about winning. The issues are important and the players' opinions matter, but they're there to win. You need to worry about the distractions off the court. When they wore black at home the one game they were protesting, I turned the TV off. I knew they were going to get clobbered because their minds were elsewhere.
I'll admit that as the season wore on, I watched less and less. I was disgusted by the turnovers, poor plays and lousy schemes. When we won and my MU grad wife saw a sign of relief and asked, "did we win?" I just grimaced and said, "I guess that's what you call it."
This article is absolutely fantastic. Factually presented without emotion. It makes defending Wojo and the product over the last seven years impossible from a basketball perspective.
But as I see it, there are two questions that need to be answered for Wojo to be fired.
1. Does Wojo's performance as a coach warrant firing? Undoubtedly as the article clearly articulates.
2. Does it make financial sense for the university to fire Wojo? This is the problem and I don't know the answer. Marquette already spends a lot on basketball and isn't some bottomless coffer. As has been well documented, the university is going through a downsizing due to financial pressures thanks to covid and demographics. It is not prudent for the university financially or optically to be paying millions of dollars to get rid of a coach while slashing budgets across the campus. Perhaps some will see that as a copout, but its reality. So unless there are alumni and boosters out there willing to personally pay for Wojo to be gone ala Indiana and Archie, he will most definitely be the coach next season.
What's not entirely clear to me though is the risk of retaining Wojo. How many alums and season ticket holders will cancel tickets? Is Scoop representative of the larger mubb fanbase or is it just a vocal minority? There is clearly a level of apathy that has begun to creep in, but at this point its anyone's guess as to how much that translates to the financial bottom line. If I were Scholl, that's what I would be trying to figure out asap.
Seeing MU fans band together like this is inspiring. Shows what a passionate fan base we are. Enough is enough!
One thing is certain: If Wojo's back next year, he'll have the hottest seat in the country.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 18, 2021, 01:34:56 PM
Seeing MU fans band together like this is inspiring. Shows what a passionate fan base we are. Enough is enough!
One thing is certain: If Wojo's back next year, he'll have the hottest seat in the country.
Heres the problem, short of a conference championship/s16 run, nothing changes. And even then, that's the absolute bare minimum.
Just rip the bandaid off and start over. I know it's easier said than done with the financial situation, but the money isn't going to magically rectify itself in on year either.
The representatives of MU fan nation have spoken. As LBJ said, "If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost middle America."
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 18, 2021, 01:42:18 PM
Heres the problem, short of a conference championship/s16 run, nothing changes. And even then, that's the absolute bare minimum.
Just rip the bandaid off and start over. I know it's easier said than done with the financial situation, but the money isn't going to magically rectify itself in on year either.
Yep - he's a lame duck coach. Nothing will save him next year.
You realize all of this stuff is late and would actually make it more difficult for Wojo to obtain employment elsewhere (like Utah) as many of you have suggested?
I agree that Scholl needs to figure this out quickly. His brief legacy is on the line as well. Leaving the MBBall program worse off than he found it would be a huge indictment of him as well as Wojo.
Quote from: Gato78 on March 18, 2021, 01:47:34 PM
You realize all of this stuff is late and would actually make it more difficult for Wojo to obtain employment elsewhere (like Utah) as many of you have suggested?
Moving on from Wojo shouldn't be contingent on him finding employment elsewhere so it's moot.
Quote from: Gato78 on March 18, 2021, 01:47:34 PM
You realize all of this stuff is late and would actually make it more difficult for Wojo to obtain employment elsewhere (like Utah) as many of you have suggested?
I don't think he's landing another HC gig immediately - unless he wants to go low-major - whether they dismissed him last week, or they do it next week or next year.
He'll need to take a year or or be an assistant to rehabilitate his reputation. Given the way his tenure ended, I'd be very surprised if a P6 program is going to hire him to run the show.
Richard Pitino recovered pretty quickly.
Quote from: Gato78 on March 18, 2021, 01:47:34 PM
You realize all of this stuff is late and would actually make it more difficult for Wojo to obtain employment elsewhere (like Utah) as many of you have suggested?
This wasn't written to help Wojo get a job elsewhere. It wasn't written to undermine his recruiting ability. It wasn't even written with an honest hope of getting him dismissed.
It was written to lay bare the problematic facts about the state of the program in a way that makes it clear to fans, administrators, and others exactly where we stand. What others do with the publicly collected information is their business.
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 18, 2021, 01:50:17 PM
Moving on from Wojo shouldn't be contingent on him finding employment elsewhere so it's moot.
Not contingent, but it could be a part of any buyout negotiation. It shouldn't necessarily be a determining factor, but it's not irrelevant either, especially with money being tight.
Quote from: Gato78 on March 18, 2021, 01:47:34 PM
You realize all of this stuff is late and would actually make it more difficult for Wojo to obtain employment elsewhere (like Utah) as many of you have suggested?
The article was written to factual show how he's failed to meet expectations and that expecting change at this point is a leap of faith.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 18, 2021, 12:14:58 PM
Yup, that's what the article needed. If Goodman or Rothstein retweet it at all admin has to at least come out with a statement.
Sadness?
No, just Marquette basketball.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on March 18, 2021, 01:57:49 PM
Sadness?
No, just Marquette basketball.
The ultimate t-shirt for the era
Praise and thanks to Paint, Cracked, Anonymous and Brewcity;
Favorite line. "It's the coach and the scheme".
Precisely
Quote from: Gato78 on March 18, 2021, 01:47:34 PM
You realize all of this stuff is late and would actually make it more difficult for Wojo to obtain employment elsewhere (like Utah) as many of you have suggested?
You realize all of this "stuff" is easily accessible via the internet and any AD / search firm worth their salt could pull it together? What is keeping Wojo from taking another job is not a blog post on a fan site, it's Wojo's resume. MU would let him walk for free and no one wants him, that alone should be reason to fire him yesterday.
Excellent article, well written, based in fact and uses all the facts to make the point. What amazes me is that - even at 3000+ words it did not include additional damning issues like:
- player development
- not filling the roster and ending up with a short bench
- in game coaching issues
I could probably come up with a few more as well, given the time.
The ONLY good thing Wojo brings at this point is a clean program. And I personally appreciate that. I'm sure there are 200 other guys out there with NCAA head coaching experience who could provide a clean program AND win lots more games.
As for Wojo finding another job... I wish him well. A dumpster fire like Arizona that needs a real clean up could use a guy like him. He could land a great job like that based only on recruiting and running a clean program.
Thanks very much to the authors for putting together such an outstanding piece. Please send copies to Scholl and Lovell.
Quote from: Gato78 on March 18, 2021, 01:47:34 PM
You realize all of this stuff is late and would actually make it more difficult for Wojo to obtain employment elsewhere (like Utah) as many of you have suggested?
Maybe if people don't print anything bad about Wojo no one will notice the flaming dumpster fire behind him right? Then someone can just take him off our hands without doing any due diligence like literally every AD in the country would do.
Quote from: Warrior2008 on March 18, 2021, 02:24:56 PM
Maybe if people don't print anything bad about Wojo no one will notice the flaming dumpster fire behind him right? Then someone can just take him off our hands without doing any due diligence like literally every AD in the country would do.
You can bet that a search firm will include stuff like that article in its submissions.
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Quote from: WarriorFan on March 18, 2021, 02:23:21 PM
Excellent article, well written, based in fact and uses all the facts to make the point. What amazes me is that - even at 3000+ words it did not include additional damning issues like:
- player development
- not filling the roster and ending up with a short bench
- in game coaching issues
I could probably come up with a few more as well, given the time.
The ONLY good thing Wojo brings at this point is a clean program. And I personally appreciate that. I'm sure there are 200 other guys out there with NCAA head coaching experience who could provide a clean program AND win lots more games.
As for Wojo finding another job... I wish him well. A dumpster fire like Arizona that needs a real clean up could use a guy like him. He could land a great job like that based only on recruiting and running a clean program.
Thanks very much to the authors for putting together such an outstanding piece. Please send copies to Scholl and Lovell.
You're absolutely right that some stuff (e.g., player development) wasn't mentioned, but it's hard to quantify those in the type of statistics used in the article.
As to your other points, absolutely correct.
Quote from: Farley36 on March 18, 2021, 12:22:47 PM
Literally in every discussion on Wojo there is someone like you who says doesn't matter because he's not getting fired. this thread is about an article laying out why he should be fired and a couple people had to say some version "good article but he's not getting fired." You and I both know the intent of that is "shut up about Wojo because he'll be here next year."
More lies from you.
Keep going. Now that hoopaloop has been retired, his record is within reach.
Quote from: Gato78 on March 18, 2021, 02:26:34 PM
You can bet that a search firm will include stuff like that article in its submissions.
The article isn't the problem. It's fact based. Wojo created this problem himself. I know you want to keep him around, but this is how things are going to be moving forward. The cat's out of the bag.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 18, 2021, 02:30:23 PM
The article isn't the problem. It's fact based. Wojo created this problem himself. I know you want to keep him around, but this is how things are going to be moving forward. The cat's out of the bag.
The cat is out of the bag and it's going to get ugly.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 18, 2021, 02:30:23 PM
The article isn't the problem. It's fact based. Wojo created this problem himself. I know you want to keep him around, but this is how things are going to be moving forward. The cat's out of the bag.
Some people are always looking to blame someone else for Wojo's consistent underachievement. Dodd's is doing the same thing
https://247sports.com/college/marquette/board/104085/Contents/3-mu-focused-websites-joint-appeal-for-wojo-ouster-162618023/
QuoteTell me more about the 'focused' websites? Who runs them? All MU alumni? Did they help fund the mobile billboard?
My read is that Wojo stays and the staff is hard at work trying to add top transfers and 2021 HS recruits who might have slipped through the cracks. Just curious....do these 'focused' websites want MU to add top talent this Spring...or is there a different objective?
So now if we suck next year it's because three Marquette blogs sabotaged Wojo. The lengths some go to.
Nice job fellas, well written and using the facts/stats that matter most. Expectations and failure to meet them (by a lot!)
I still have hope (likely false hope) he will still get fired but perhaps they are waiting for coaches eliminated from the NCAAT. Is it possible they are even talking to some but to keep the focus off them they are waiting? #graspingatstraws
If you guys want some free entertainment, Dodds is steamed! Wojo gets another year beyond the next one now. Can't be expected to win next year when blogs and a $100 truck rental prevent recruits and transfers from coming in ;D
Quote from: DienerTime34 on March 18, 2021, 02:42:49 PM
If you guys want some free entertainment, Dodds is steamed! Wojo gets another year beyond the next one now. Can't be expected to win next year when blogs and a $100 truck rental prevent recruits and transfers from coming in ;D
How dare anyone undermine the least successful coach in Marquette history not named Bob Dukiet?!
I like to imagine Wojo opening his email, reading this article that someone forwarded to him with the same deer in headlights look of bewilderment on his face that he has while DePaul goes on a game ending 11-2 run, handing his team their 6th loss in 7 games, and eliminating them from an at-large NCAA bid.
His original plan was to click on the article simply to see what it says. Upon starting he realized that, similar to his game planning, there is no alternative plan. So instead of closing the window he just sits there, continuing to read until the article ends, seething through the entire thing.
http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2021/03/the-wojo-era-review.html (http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2021/03/the-wojo-era-review.html)
If you prefer the audio medium and/or are interested in some of the sausage making, we did a podcast around the intent of the article.
QuoteTell me more about the 'focused' websites? Who runs them? All MU alumni? Did they help fund the mobile billboard?
My read is that Wojo stays and the staff is hard at work trying to add top transfers and 2021 HS recruits who might have slipped through the cracks. Just curious....do these 'focused' websites want MU to add top talent this Spring...or is there a different objective?
Well John, they are people who actually pay to get into MU games.
IMO MU should be more interested in the concerns of their STHs not their stats guy.
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 18, 2021, 12:53:53 PM
I think you all have me and most of the realists wrong.
We know the record. It sucks.
We know how good Marquette can be. Many of us were then when ....
Our good friends at Cracked Sidewalks, Anonymous Eagle and Paint Touches went beyond the record and explained, "why." Cracked Sidewalks was right on with the Hausers being the defining moment and it being a Management breakdown.
It's not what we want -- good lord, most of us if asked point blank, would argue a change is necessary. Period. Me included.
But, we love the program and we love Marquette University. We're realistic enough to believe that Wojo is going no where because there's no appetite for a change. So, if he's going to stay, other things have to change. And, as I pointed out yesterday, you have to sell that a difference is coming. Something we all acknowledge hasn't happened so far. I wish the Administration would see this -- I'm not sure they do -- and I really don't have a lot of confidence in their ability to find someone like Nate Oats who can lead us back to what we once were.
This year, I felt like the team was more concerned about social issues than they were about winning. The issues are important and the players' opinions matter, but they're there to win. You need to worry about the distractions off the court. When they wore black at home the one game they were protesting, I turned the TV off. I knew they were going to get clobbered because their minds were elsewhere.
I'll admit that as the season wore on, I watched less and less. I was disgusted by the turnovers, poor plays and lousy schemes. When we won and my MU grad wife saw a sign of relief and asked, "did we win?" I just grimaced and said, "I guess that's what you call it."
hang in there brother dgies. The seashells are aplenty and the balloons shall float high again.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 18, 2021, 01:34:56 PM
Seeing MU fans band together like this is inspiring. Shows what a passionate fan base we are. Enough is enough!
One thing is certain: If Wojo's back next year, he'll have the hottest seat in the country.
Yes SV!!
We will be back.
But continue to attack
:)
Quote from: willie warrior on March 18, 2021, 10:44:19 AM
Uh uh. Tower and Tamu and the other defenders need to start researching for better excuses.
That said, Hausergate is what finally did it for me, and a number here tended to slough that off.
Now it certainly is up to the ghost powers that be to make a decision. It may already be too late.
While people can post their opinions on MU BB here, right now the most important and central focus should be: what now?
TAMU has been very clear that he wants Wojo to be fired.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 18, 2021, 10:12:25 AM
Now THAT'S an article. Well done!
Fluffy, do we actually agree on something???
:)
Cracked Sidewalks Contributor Chico Bail Bonds is flying around twitter saying: WHO WOULD WE HIRE, WHO WOULD WE HIRE?
That's when you know the Fire Wojo article is well written, no complaints with the content, just pretending to make up a problem. There are dozens and dozens of assistant coaches that could outperform Steve.
Quote from: The Lens on March 18, 2021, 04:29:38 PM
Cracked Sidewalks Contributor Chico Bail Bonds is flying around twitter saying: WHO WOULD WE HIRE, WHO WOULD WE HIRE?
That's when you know the Fire Wojo article is well written, no complaints with the content, just pretending to make up a problem. There are dozens and dozens of assistant coaches that could outperform Steve.
That guy is a certified moron. How can you possibly sit back and think you have a zinger comeback, with - WHO WOULD WE HIRE? How about a coach with a pulse?
Quote from: The Lens on March 18, 2021, 04:29:38 PM
Cracked Sidewalks Contributor Chico Bail Bonds is flying around twitter saying: WHO WOULD WE HIRE, WHO WOULD WE HIRE?
That's when you know the Fire Wojo article is well written, no complaints with the content, just pretending to make up a problem. There are dozens and dozens of assistant coaches that could outperform Steve.
Chicos has never met a starchy white dude he wouldn't back
Quote from: The Lens on March 18, 2021, 04:29:38 PM
Cracked Sidewalks Contributor Chico Bail Bonds is flying around twitter saying: WHO WOULD WE HIRE, WHO WOULD WE HIRE?
That's when you know the Fire Wojo article is well written, no complaints with the content, just pretending to make up a problem. There are dozens and dozens of assistant coaches that could outperform Steve.
Clearly he doesn't get that it was never our intent to fire all our guns in one shot.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 18, 2021, 11:05:16 AM
No, we don't.
Guess you have not read a lot of his and your excusing posts.
But good defense attorney comeback, "No we don't"
Ride the green horse.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 18, 2021, 04:38:12 PM
Clearly he doesn't get that it was never our intent to fire all our guns in one shot.
Save money on the coaching search firm - Hire the mubbPAC !
Quote from: willie warrior on March 18, 2021, 04:39:07 PM
Guess you have not read a lot of his and your excusing posts.
But good defense attorney comeback, "No we don't"
Ride the green horse.
I do read them. Just because every post isn't about the coach doesn't mean anyone is excusing anything. If you're too stupid to understand that, that's on you
Quote from: The Lens on March 18, 2021, 04:29:38 PM
Cracked Sidewalks Contributor Chico Bail Bonds is flying around twitter saying: WHO WOULD WE HIRE, WHO WOULD WE HIRE?
That's when you know the Fire Wojo article is well written, no complaints with the content, just pretending to make up a problem. There are dozens and dozens of assistant coaches that could outperform Steve.
Chicos got kicked off Cracked Sidewalks ages ago. Just like he got kicked off Scoop. He is NOT a contributor.
Quote from: Henry Sugar on March 18, 2021, 04:49:58 PM
Chicos got kicked off Cracked Sidewalks ages ago. Just like he got kicked off Scoop. He is NOT a contributor.
My bad, I thought I recently saw his name under contributors but I realize he's not listed anymore.
Quote from: The Lens on March 18, 2021, 04:29:38 PM
Cracked Sidewalks Contributor Chico Bail Bonds is flying around twitter saying: WHO WOULD WE HIRE, WHO WOULD WE HIRE?
That's when you know the Fire Wojo article is well written, no complaints with the content, just pretending to make up a problem. There are dozens and dozens of assistant coaches that could outperform Steve.
Didn't Chico's always brag that he didn't Twitter and found it "creepy" for folks that did?
Quote from: The Lens on March 18, 2021, 04:57:27 PM
My bad, I thought I recently saw his name under contributors but I realize he's not listed anymore.
It's a fair question to ask "who's next?". I ask that all the time and we end up down the rabbit hole of unrealistic expectations.
That wasn't the point of what was written, though. What was written laid out a convincing case of why the current coach isn't the guy to lead Marquette. It's classic Chico's to distract from the issue at hand to about hypotheticals. There's no doubt the next guy could be worse. That doesn't excuse the current guy. Expecting different results from the current guy because they next guy could be worse is running in place.
We can discuss candidates and their worth. We don't know how they'll do, though we can extrapolate how they may do. What we do know is, the current guy isn't it and has shown us no reason to think otherwise
Quote from: swoopem on March 18, 2021, 05:02:18 PM
Didn't Chico's always brag that he didn't Twitter and found it "creepy" for folks that did?
Chicos has followed me on twitter for ages. Think he meant talking to recruits on twitter, which I can understand.
Quote from: The Lens on March 18, 2021, 04:57:27 PM
My bad, I thought I recently saw his name under contributors but I realize he's not listed anymore.
No worries. I just don't want to be affiliated with him. EVER.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 18, 2021, 04:38:12 PM
Clearly he doesn't get that it was never our intent to fire all our guns in one shot.
Like brew says, we are already working on Part 2
Quote from: Henry Sugar on March 18, 2021, 05:07:19 PM
Like brew says, we are already working on Part 2
Wow.
I hope you're telling us who the university SHOULD hire.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 18, 2021, 04:48:24 PM
I do read them. Just because every post isn't about the coach doesn't mean anyone is excusing anything. If you're too stupid to understand that, that's on you
Yes, I sense you feel that your BS is waning by resorting to name calling. That is a classic bit of deflection. Stupid sometimes is found in a mirror, sir. But since you have such a high degree of superiority complex about yourself, by all means deflect away. Deflection from your boy Wojo-Dukiets mediocrity might work, but not now. And many of you past posts supported Wojo-Dukiet until recently, and you know it.
Hopefully you will be able to recognize that the goal should be to find the best replacement available, whoever that is, rather than resort to insults. If you dont understand that, then that is on you.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 18, 2021, 05:35:31 PM
Yes, I sense you feel that your BS is waning by resorting to name calling. That is a classic bit of deflection. Stupid sometimes is found in a mirror, sir. But since you have such a high degree of superiority complex about yourself, by all means deflect away. Deflection from your boy Wojo-Dukiets mediocrity might work, but not now. And many of you past posts supported Wojo-Dukiet until recently, and you know it.
Hopefully you will be able to recognize that the goal should be to find the best replacement available, whoever that is, rather than resort to insults. If you dont understand that, then that is on you.
They did support the coach in the past. I freely admit that. Plenty of people have admitted that. Your inability to understand that opinions can change results in you calling them "slurpers" without any fact in basis. Every topic is interrupted by you calling someone slurpers. Gets pretty old
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 18, 2021, 05:04:20 PM
It's a fair question to ask "who's next?". I ask that all the time and we end up down the rabbit hole of unrealistic expectations.
That wasn't the point of what was written, though. What was written laid out a convincing case of why the current coach isn't the guy to lead Marquette. It's classic Chico's to distract from the issue at hand to about hypotheticals. There's no doubt the next guy could be worse. That doesn't excuse the current guy. Expecting different results from the current guy because they next guy could be worse is running in place.
We can discuss candidates and their worth. We don't know how they'll do, though we can extrapolate how they may do. What we do know is, the current guy isn't it and has shown us no reason to think otherwise
I would love to discuss "who do we hire NOW".
There are many mid-major HCs and P5 assistants that could do a great job coaching. The question is always "can they recruit big-time (Top 150) players.
As we saw this year, even the "great" ones can't coach without players. Calipari, K, Izzo, Wright, etc.
Quote from: Jockey on March 18, 2021, 06:11:49 PM
I would love to discuss "who do we hire NOW".
There are many mid-major HCs and P5 assistants that could do a great job coaching. The question is always "can they recruit big-time (Top 150) players.
As we saw this year, even the "great" ones can't coach without players. Calipari, K, Izzo, Wright, etc.
Here are a bunch of names I mentioned once before and I added some more
Scott Nagy
Joe Pasternack
Craig Miller
Jeff Boals
Dennis Gates
Pat Kelsey
Porter Moser
Darian Devries
Niko Medved
Mark Schmidt
Wes Miller
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 18, 2021, 05:08:35 PM
Wow.
I hope you're telling us who the university SHOULD hire.
There will be some of that, yes......not all change requires the HC to change. If Wojo and/or the admin recognize the need to change the approach, there is still non-Arbys based hope to be had
Quote from: mu03eng on March 18, 2021, 06:29:16 PM
There will be some of that, yes......not all change requires the HC to change. If Wojo and/or the admin recognize the need to change the approach, there is still non-Arbys based hope to be had
But without Aby's, why?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 18, 2021, 04:48:24 PM
I do read them. Just because every post isn't about the coach doesn't mean anyone is excusing anything. If you're too stupid to understand that, that's on you
Deep thinking isn't a strength of willies. Usually breathing and walking take up most of his brain power.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 18, 2021, 06:37:18 PM
Deep thinking isn't a strength of willies. Usually breathing and walking take up most of his brain power.
I heard a rumor that insulting people isn't allowed here. I'm assuming that rule applies to everyone.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 18, 2021, 06:20:27 PM
Here are a bunch of names I mentioned once before and I added some more
Scott Nagy
Joe Pasternack
Craig Miller
Jeff Boals
Dennis Gates
Pat Kelsey
Porter Moser
Darian Devries
Niko Medved
Mark Schmidt
Wes Miller
Good list. Pasternack has some kismet. Former UNO HC like Buzz and a former top assistant at Zona like KO. I actually really like him.
Boals I'm still hesitant on. Was decent at Stony Brook but had a pretty establish strong program he took over from Pickiell. He's just been alright at OU, conference tourney run aside this year.
Personally a huge fan of Wes Miller, but feels like he's biding his time for UNC.
Yeah, I saw Chico arguing with a few folks on Twitter. Still spewing his unique brand of BS. Can't wait till the second article about who we *should* hire comes out. Great work, guys!
As an aside, there's one poster on here who likes to ask, "Or else what?" when fans complain. Well, this is the "or else". Billboards on campus calling for Wojo's firing and a literary dump on his forehead by the three biggest Marquette blogs on the internet.
Quote from: Farley36 on March 18, 2021, 06:45:19 PM
I heard a rumor that insulting people isn't allowed here. I'm assuming that rule applies to everyone.
Actually I gave him a compliment. Most people would assume those tasks take up *all* his brain power.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 18, 2021, 06:49:07 PM
Good list. Pasternack has some kismet. Former UNO HC like Buzz and a former top assistant at Zona like KO. I actually really like him.
You want kismet? He was born in 1977.
Hire Joe Pasternak!
Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 18, 2021, 06:50:15 PM
As an aside, there's one poster on here who likes to ask, "Or else what?" when fans complain. Well, this is the "or else". Billboards on campus calling for Wojo's firing and a literary dump on his forehead by the three biggest Marquette blogs on the internet.
Lets say you make great money, and your boss likes you (high bar, I know). Do you even break a sweat when some randos hire a digital billboard for a few hours, and more randos post some stuff on the internet showing you've had a mediocre career
success?
You probably laugh at them for wasting their time & money. You make good money and your boss likes you. No sweat, back to calling guys on the transfer portal (another thing you wouldn't be doing if you were packing your office...)
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 18, 2021, 07:12:04 PM
Lets say you make great money, and your boss likes you (high bar, I know). Do you even break a sweat when some randos hire a digital billboard for a few hours, and more randos post some stuff on the internet showing you've had mediocre success?
You probably laugh at them for wasting their time & money. You make good money and your boss likes you. No sweat, back to calling guys on the transfer portal (another thing you wouldn't be doing if you were packing your office...)
Yep yep. People who think this billboard was effective really don't understand how this works.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 18, 2021, 07:12:04 PM
Lets say you make great money, and your boss likes you (high bar, I know). Do you even break a sweat when some randos hire a digital billboard for a few hours, and more randos post some stuff on the internet showing you've had mediocre success?
You probably laugh at them for wasting their time & money. You make good money and your boss likes you. No sweat, back to calling guys on the transfer portal (another thing you wouldn't be doing if you were packing your office...)
In all my years as a Marquette fan, I've never seen anything like what transpired today. That article is a bombshell and will be shared among even casual fans who don't normally look at the blogs.
I think you're underplaying the level of what's going on here.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 18, 2021, 07:16:50 PM
I think you're underplaying the level of what's going on here.
Ok.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 18, 2021, 07:16:50 PM
In all my years as a Marquette fan, I've never seen anything like what transpired today. That article is a bombshell and will be shared among even casual fans who don't normally look at the blogs.
I think you're underplaying the level of what's going on here.
I shared the article with my casual fan friends. They said it was too long and too much info. Especially when they already know/think wojo stinks.
So, I'm not really sure who the article is for, to be honest.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 18, 2021, 07:16:50 PM
In all my years as a Marquette fan, I've never seen anything like what transpired today. That article is a bombshell and will be shared among even casual fans who don't normally look at the blogs.
I think you're underplaying the level of what's going on here.
Whose minds would it change and how much influence do those people have? My guess is "not much" to both.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 18, 2021, 07:22:48 PM
Whose minds would it change and how much influence do those people have? My guess is "not much" to both.
Why do fans boo? People can express dissatisfaction without the expectation it will change things.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on March 18, 2021, 07:25:57 PM
Why do fans boo? People can express dissatisfaction without the expectation it will change things.
Exactly. I have no problem that the article was written. I just don't expect it to change the minds of those who matter. And IMO it will largely be forgotten about by next week.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 18, 2021, 07:14:49 PM
Yep yep. People who think this billboard was effective really don't understand how this works.
Is it a bad thing in your opinion?
This should have been made a long time ago. Somehow these blogs which have been silent on Wojo's disastrous performance for years just now decide to post this article when the entire fanbase has finally turned on Wojo? Cmon
Edit - I should say this is a "better late than never" situation
Quote from: panda on March 18, 2021, 07:27:45 PM
Is it a bad thing in your opinion?
Is what a bad thing? I think Wojo should be fired but don't think people who buy low rent billboards should have much influence in the process.
Quote from: Tha Hound on March 18, 2021, 07:28:58 PM
This should have been made a long time ago. Somehow these blogs which have been silent on Wojo's disastrous performance for years just now decide to post this article when the entire fanbase has finally turned on Wojo? Cmon
They've written their fair share of critical pieces of Wojo and the program
Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 18, 2021, 07:16:50 PM
I think you're underplaying the level of what's going on here.
I haven't seen any news of wojo's billboard. But this happened in 2019 (sound familiar?):
https://www.wric.com/news/ur-alumni-fans-rent-billboard-calling-for-coach-mooney-firing-we-want-our-program-back/
And in 2020 Mooney was still there and given an extension:
https://richmond.com/sports/college/richmond/chris-mooney-and-richmond-agree-to-two-year-contract-extension-running-through-2023-24/article_9118df96-ae45-5b59-af57-703cf3de50ea.html
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 18, 2021, 07:29:27 PM
Is what a bad thing? I think Wojo should be fired but don't think people who buy low rent billboards should have much influence in the process.
You seem to be spending a lot of time commenting on something that you believe to be so inconsequential in your mind.
Quote from: panda on March 18, 2021, 07:37:03 PM
You seem to be spending a lot of time commenting on something that you believe to be so inconsequential in your mind.
Fluffy has never been a low-volume poster. hah.
Quote from: panda on March 18, 2021, 07:37:03 PM
You seem to be spending a lot of time commenting on something that you believe to be so inconsequential in your mind.
Sorry. I should be feeding the poor instead I guess.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 18, 2021, 07:38:22 PM
Fluffy has never been a low-volume poster. hah.
Lol just giving him a hard time.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 18, 2021, 07:16:50 PM
In all my years as a Marquette fan, I've never seen anything like what transpired today. That article is a bombshell and will be shared among even casual fans who don't normally look at the blogs.
I think you're underplaying the level of what's going on here.
I forwarded that article to a former BOT. Trust me, it will make the rounds.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 18, 2021, 07:39:20 PM
Sorry. I should be feeding the poor instead I guess.
Or just not comment on something you don't care about lol
Quote from: Gato78 on March 18, 2021, 02:26:34 PM
You can bet that a search firm will include stuff like that article in its submissions.
What's your point
Quote from: Tha Hound on March 18, 2021, 07:28:58 PM
This should have been made a long time ago. Somehow these blogs which have been silent on Wojo's disastrous performance for years just now decide to post this article when the entire fanbase has finally turned on Wojo? Cmon
Edit - I should say this is a "better late than never" situation
I think all have posted critical pieces. The Scrambled Eggs pod has been pretty critical too. This is just the furthest I've seen them go.
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on March 18, 2021, 07:45:42 PM
What's your point
He thinks the search firm wouldn't have been able to discover any of that information until several unpaid bloggers spent a few hours writing an article....
Never forget that John Dodds was one of the most outspoken critics of moving on from Brett Favre to Aaron Rodgers.
When John Dodds advocates for another year, you better be pulling the plug.
Quote from: The Lens on March 18, 2021, 08:04:24 PM
Never forget that John Dodds was one of the most outspoken critics of moving on from Brett Favre to Aaron Rodgers.
When John Dodds advocates for another year, you better be pulling the plug.
Bringing up something dumb he said 13 years ago? What are you, his wife?
Quote from: Pakuni on March 18, 2021, 08:13:47 PM
Bringing up something dumb he said 13 years ago? What are you, his wife?
For TWO years he referred to Rodgers as Randy (Randy Wright).
Whoa, really did some damage if Gato left the pearly gates to yell at bloggers.
Part 2 will surely activate the Irritated White Boy.
You guys made me look up Chico's twitter. That's 45 seconds of my life I'm not getting back.
Quote from: Retire0 on March 18, 2021, 08:25:23 PM
Whoa, really did some damage if Gato left the pearly gates to yell at bloggers.
Part 2 will surely activate the Irritated White Boy.
Gato is still on the Wojo train, but I'm not sure IWB ever got on. He's never been a cheerleader for this staff that I've seen.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 18, 2021, 08:34:58 PM
Gato is still on the Wojo train, but I'm not sure IWB ever got on. He's never been a cheerleader for this staff that I've seen.
No, but he's not happy about the PAC I am sure.
Quote from: Retire0 on March 18, 2021, 08:35:53 PM
No, but he's not happy about the PAC I am sure.
He does have some differences there...
I wandered over to Dodds.com today. Hoo boy that's an interesting place.
Props to KeadysCombOver for fighting the good fight. I miss that guy in my life.
Also I saw Tower over there BUT he didn't share any of our secrets so it's cool.
Oh and Murff is alive & well. That warmed my heart a little. Only thing missing was IceMan.
Quote from: The Lens on March 18, 2021, 08:17:35 PM
For TWO years he referred to Rodgers as Randy (Randy Wright).
Yeah, I don't really care about Dodds or his bad takes. I just thought it funny you dredged something dumb from a lifetime ago.
Quote from: The Lens on March 18, 2021, 08:44:51 PM
I wandered over to Dodds.com today. Hoo boy that's an interesting place.
Props to KeadysCombOver for fighting the good fight. I miss that guy in my life.
Also I saw Tower over there BUT he didn't share any of our secrets so it's cool.
Oh and Murff is alive & well. That warmed my heart a little. Only thing missing was IceMan.
I always liked the MU historical stuff Murff posted. Cool inside stories from back in the day...
Quote from: Pakuni on March 18, 2021, 08:47:36 PM
Yeah, I don't really care about Dodds or his bad takes. I just thought it funny you dredged something dumb from a lifetime ago.
I'm celebrating 20+ years of reading MU message boards on a daily basis, I have some issues.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 18, 2021, 08:58:33 PM
I always liked the MU historical stuff Murff posted. Cool inside stories from back in the day...
Used to chat him up at Turners. He's a good guy and a wealth of knowledge.
Quote from: Tha Hound on March 18, 2021, 07:28:58 PM
This should have been made a long time ago. Somehow these blogs which have been silent on Wojo's disastrous performance for years just now decide to post this article when the entire fanbase has finally turned on Wojo? Cmon
Edit - I should say this is a "better late than never" situation
Could you point us to the blog you've been managing that has been super critical of Wojo?
I'm 100% sure you've used your time as a passionate MU hoops fan on providing more insightful content and I look forward to what you have. (assuming you don't have the cache of critique you should probably sit down)
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 18, 2021, 08:34:58 PM
Gato is still on the Wojo train, but I'm not sure IWB ever got on. He's never been a cheerleader for this staff that I've seen.
I will support this sentiment.
When they start hot next year and then drop 6 of 7 I'm looking forward to how they blame the blogs for it.
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 18, 2021, 09:46:39 PM
When they start hot next year and then drop 6 of 7 I'm looking forward to how they blame the blogs for it.
"3,000 words destroyed the program. Not the coach who hasn't done anything of note for seven seasons."
Quote from: panda on March 18, 2021, 09:55:40 PM
"3,000 words destroyed the program. Not the coach who hasn't done anything of note for seven seasons."
"The players read it and got confused by the math. Lost confidence."
Quote from: The Lens on March 18, 2021, 08:44:51 PM
I wandered over to Dodds.com today. Hoo boy that's an interesting place.
Props to KeadysCombOver for fighting the good fight. I miss that guy in my life.
Also I saw Tower over there BUT he didn't share any of our secrets so it's cool.
Oh and Murff is alive & well. That warmed my heart a little. Only thing missing was IceMan.
Dodds has zero tolerance for opposing views. His board has deteriorated over the years. He is down to about 15 posters. He likes to hear himself talk. Apparently he does not want to risk his court side seat.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 18, 2021, 07:39:20 PM
Sorry. I should be feeding the poor instead I guess.
I suspect that's the reason we haven't heard from Keefe around here lately- he's feeding poor indians and women. Every Sunday morning.
Quote from: The Lens on March 18, 2021, 09:02:25 PM
I'm celebrating 20+ years of reading MU message boards on a daily basis, I have some issues.
Used to chat him up at Turners. He's a good guy and a wealth of knowledge.
Ever read Dodd's late political board- if "Murf" is the same poster as "Gr8one1" , he is a seriously disturbed nazi and a stone cold bigot.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 18, 2021, 10:48:01 AM
Great compilation and unified message. I would have gone deeper on roster composition, a point I started with early in his tenure. That said, most if not all of this has been debated going back years on Scoop. Not a lot new in here other than the entire prosecutor's case all in one place.
However, Scholl's response should be telling to us Scoopers: This reads to me that Wojo is coming back and that the MU Admin values his off court performance more than his on-court. Let's hope MU wins everyday on the waiver wire.
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Excellent article. If the jury adjourns after this, it wouldn't take long for a verdict to be returned. But Scholl's response says it all. The coaches are working in fixing these things. For 7 years. And probably at least one more.
Quote from: The Lens on March 18, 2021, 08:44:51 PM
I wandered over to Dodds.com today. Hoo boy that%u2019s an interesting place.
Props to KeadysCombOver for fighting the good fight. I miss that guy in my life.
Also I saw Tower over there BUT he didn%u2019t share any of our secrets so it%u2019s cool.
Oh and Murff is alive & well. That warmed my heart a little. Only thing missing was IceMan.
Keady is a fantastic poster, super smart, and a extremely knowledgeable MU fan. I can't recall him ever being off on his insights.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 18, 2021, 10:40:27 AM
Every person involved in decisions about our basketball program, from the President, BOT, AD, and the entire administration, should receive 1000 copies of this article and synopsis every day until a change is made. #Enough is Enough
Agree with this
Im sure this has been mentioned before, but do we know the timing on Wojos buyout? Is it still.possible the drop.xomes on April 1 or after the tourney or something like that and that is what we're waiting on?
Quote from: Marq3332 on March 18, 2021, 07:41:29 PM
I forwarded that article to a former BOT. Trust me, it will make the rounds.
Thank you for your service.
lol
Quote from: The Lens on March 18, 2021, 08:44:51 PM
I wandered over to Dodds.com today. Hoo boy that's an interesting place.
Props to KeadysCombOver for fighting the good fight. I miss that guy in my life.
Also I saw Tower over there BUT he didn't share any of our secrets so it's cool.
Oh and Murff is alive & well. That warmed my heart a little. Only thing missing was IceMan.
Iceman is Guru on this board...and he's active on other boards.
Quote from: BM1090 on March 19, 2021, 08:57:38 AM
Iceman is Guru on this board...and he's active on other boards.
Whatever you do don't look up his Twitter... you can't unsee some things
Quote from: BM1090 on March 19, 2021, 08:57:38 AM
Iceman is Guru on this board...and he's active on other boards.
Wow, I have a sudden clarity now, so much makes sense.
Quote from: Mutaman on March 18, 2021, 11:53:01 PM
Ever read Dodd's late political board- if "Murf" is the same poster as "Gr8one1" , he is a seriously disturbed nazi and a stone cold bigot.
Oh God, a Dodds political board...no I have never wandered that far.
Quote from: The Lens on March 19, 2021, 09:02:50 AM
Wow, I have a sudden clarity now, so much makes sense.
Oh God, a Dodds political board...no I have never wandered that far.
Mutaman is NOT being hyperbolic in his description of gr8one, just awful
Quote from: naginiF on March 19, 2021, 09:16:45 AM
Mutaman is NOT being hyperbolic in his description of gr8one, just awful
gr8one also has some interesting takes on gargling and proper ankle taping.
Dodds is essentially state run media for the Athletic Dept. and people shouldn't expect anything else. He's not going to bite the hand that lets him sit for free at the scorers table.
What's Ganzer been up to these days? Haven't heard from him in awhile.
Quote from: Warrior2008 on March 19, 2021, 09:56:22 AM
Dodds is essentially state run media for the Athletic Dept. and people shouldn't expect anything else. He's not going to bite the hand that lets him sit for free at the scorers table.
His response to The Letter 2.0 was pathetic and confirms he's nothing but a shill for the program.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 19, 2021, 09:58:38 AM
What's Ganzer been up to these days? Haven't heard from him in awhile.
He's running his own board. My opinion is when IWB started his board, that's when Dodds board became an afterthought. IWB used to post some nuggets on Dodds' free board and brought value to the Premium Board.
So how ugly is next year going to be for Wojo?
The last home game with fans (Seton Hall 2/29/20), two got booted for heckling him. Add another terrible year. Sounded like he was booed at the only game with 1,800 fans, which were probably the most loyal/well connected fans to get those tickets. Then the trifecta of this week with the blogs, billboard, and JS article.
I'm guessing he gets booed the first game of the season with fans during the intro and anytime the team is playing subpar at home. It's going to be a long uncomfortable year for everyone.
Quote from: Buzzed on March 19, 2021, 10:19:38 AM
So how ugly is next year going to be for Wojo?
The last home game with fans (Seton Hall 2/29/20), two got booted for heckling him. Add another terrible year. Sounded like he was booed at the only game with 1,800 fans, which were probably the most loyal/well connected fans to get those tickets. Then the trifecta of this week with the blogs, billboard, and JS article.
I'm guessing he gets booed the first game of the season with fans during the intro and anytime the team is playing subpar at home. It's going to be a long uncomfortable year for everyone.
I envision some "Fire Wojo" chants from the students. Especially during/after a loss. I hope it doesn't happen, but kids are kids. The billboard doesn't give me much hope that it will be a friendly student section.
MU is going to have to have a heck of a non-conference this upcoming year.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 19, 2021, 10:24:36 AM
I envision some "Fire Wojo" chants from the students. Especially during/after a loss. I hope it doesn't happen, but kids are kids. The billboard doesn't give me much hope that it will be a friendly student section.
MU is going to have to have a heck of a non-conference this upcoming year.
There is still a small split amongst older alums on projo vs nojo, but as far as recent graduates and current students go, I'd say it's nearing 95/100% nojo. These are the fans who only know the DWade, Jimmy Butler, etc. Marquette.
The student support base is lost and that will be the loudest voice at games next season, if they even bother to show up.
Quote from: Buzzed on March 19, 2021, 10:19:38 AM
So how ugly is next year going to be for Wojo?
The last home game with fans (Seton Hall 2/29/20), two got booted for heckling him. Add another terrible year. Sounded like he was booed at the only game with 1,800 fans, which were probably the most loyal/well connected fans to get those tickets. Then the trifecta of this week with the blogs, billboard, and JS article.
I'm guessing he gets booed the first game of the season with fans during the intro and anytime the team is playing subpar at home. It's going to be a long uncomfortable year for everyone.
There was that game too when fans went up to Markus Howard family by recruits and were berating the team. Forgot all the details
I would imagine the student section will be super dead next season.
Both the Freshman and Sophomores have had zero experience with going to games and will be hard to convince. The Seniors were Sophs when they last could go to a game. They'll find better things to do.
If Wojo stays, hard to convince any students it's worth their time to attend.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 19, 2021, 11:28:11 AM
I would imagine the student section will be super dead next season.
Both the Freshman and Sophomores have had zero experience with going to games and will be hard to convince. The Seniors were Sophs when they last could go to a game. They'll find better things to do.
If Wojo stays, hard to convince any students it's worth their time to attend.
I agree and that makes any decision to keep Wojo at the fault and responsibility of the athletic department and school leadership. The writing is on the wall. The fan base wants to move on. If the school ignorantly chooses to ignore the voice of all the supporters, fans and alumni, the consequences, financially, will be even worse next season.
And, at that point, the job security of others should definitely be questioned, as those individuals would have clearly put MUBB down a path of significant turmoil and hardship.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 19, 2021, 11:28:11 AM
I would imagine the student future donor section will be super dead next season.
Both the Freshman and Sophomores have had zero experience with going to games and will be hard to convince. The Seniors were Sophs when they last could go to a game. They'll find better things to do.
If Wojo stays, hard to convince any students it's worth their time to attend.
Something that I'm not sure that the admin understands is that the students of today donate for teams of the future. If they never get excited about basketball, I'm sure the chances of them donating to the program in the future are slim to none.
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 19, 2021, 12:15:35 PM
Something that I'm not sure that the admin understands is that the students of today donate for teams of the future. If they never get excited about basketball, I'm sure the chances of them donating to the program in the future are slim to none.
Ehhh, that's not a guarantee one way or the other though. I went to almost every game my four years, waited outside for hours upon hours, but haven't had season tickets since I was a student or donated to the B&G fund.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 19, 2021, 12:17:23 PM
Ehhh, that's not a guarantee one way or the other though. I went to almost every game my four years, waited outside for hours upon hours, but haven't had season tickets since I was a student or donated to the B&G fund.
Same, but we are young(ish) and not flush with cash yet. I just finished paying off my loans last year. And I don't live close enough to justify season tix.
Coaching Changes
@CoachingChanges
Wojo deserved to get fired, 100%. Still tho it's cuck level pathetic how much the fanboy websites drove this decision. Why are so many administrators invertebrates?
12:39 PM · Mar 19, 2021·Twitter Web App
Quote from: Hards_Alumni on March 19, 2021, 12:49:54 PM
Coaching Changes
@CoachingChanges
Wojo deserved to get fired, 100%. Still tho it's cuck level pathetic how much the fanboy websites drove this decision. Why are so many administrators invertebrates?
12:39 PM · Mar 19, 2021·Twitter Web App
Yeah I don't think that's what happened.
It was the billboard.
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Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 18, 2021, 07:12:04 PM
Lets say you make great money, and your boss likes you (high bar, I know). Do you even break a sweat when some randos hire a digital billboard for a few hours, and more randos post some stuff on the internet showing you've had a mediocre career success?
You probably laugh at them for wasting their time & money. You make good money and your boss likes you. No sweat, back to calling guys on the transfer portal (another thing you wouldn't be doing if you were packing your office...)
This ended up being an awful take. Yep, his bosses sure loved him!
Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 19, 2021, 02:41:50 PM
This ended up being an awful take. Yep, his bosses sure loved him!
I've already admitted I'm surprised. And I really hope Marquette hires a charismatic X's & Os guy to replace him.
But lets be clear, there's a few (seatbelt...) that at least shared good info/made a good prediction. Guys like you, 5$, and willie have just been miserable fans, bitching here and provided no good info.
And it appears that in getting your wish, you all choose to still just be miserable.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 19, 2021, 02:54:39 PM
I've already admitted I'm surprised. And I really hope Marquette hires a charismatic X's & Os guy to replace him.
But lets be clear, there's a few (seatbelt...) that at least shared good info/made a good prediction. Guys like you, 5$, and willie have just been miserable fans, bitching here and provided no good info.
And it appears that in getting your wish, you all choose to still just be miserable.
(https://media.tenor.com/images/94d585472d2e8cba723524cb5045ede1/raw)
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 19, 2021, 02:54:39 PM
I've already admitted I'm surprised. And I really hope Marquette hires a charismatic X's & Os guy to replace him.
But lets be clear, there's a few (seatbelt...) that at least shared good info/made a good prediction. Guys like you, 5$, and willie have just been miserable fans, bitching here and provided no good info.
And it appears that in getting your wish, you all choose to still just be miserable.
I think actually most seem pretty darn happy and are gleefully dishing out some Karmic retribution on the smug and condescending. I don't place you in that category oh great Thanos.
Quote from: Warrior2008 on March 19, 2021, 09:56:22 AM
Dodds is essentially state run media for the Athletic Dept. and people shouldn't expect anything else. He's not going to bite the hand that lets him sit for free at the scorers table.
Well said. You are exactly right. Dodds has zero tolerance for any views that oppose his. Probably why he is down to about 15-20 posters.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 19, 2021, 02:54:39 PM
I've already admitted I'm surprised. And I really hope Marquette hires a charismatic X's & Os guy to replace him.
But lets be clear, there's a few (seatbelt...) that at least shared good info/made a good prediction. Guys like you, 5$, and willie have just been miserable fans, bitching here and provided no good info.
And it appears that in getting your wish, you all choose to still just be miserable.
Thanks for the compliment Rocky. At least you recognize that I am a fan. I call them like I see them. And contrary to your opinion, I have not been a miserable fan. I have bitched because The jury on Wojo- Dukiet should have come in 2 years ago.I have been an MU fan since the Kojis days and I want MU in top 25 and competing for titles in BEast, which Wojo-Dukiet was incapable of doing, so if that is bitching, then you are right. Hausergate did it finally for me.
And i will make a promise to you Rocky, if you promise to support the next MU coach as you have supported Wojo-Dukiet, then I will also. Even though neither of us knows right now who that will be.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 19, 2021, 03:11:55 PM
And i will make a promise to you Rocky, if you promise to support the next MU coach as you have supported Wojo-Dukiet, then I will also. Even though neither of us knows right now who that will be.
Willie - I know you're a fan. You woulda been permabanned years ago if I thought you were just a troll. You just don't seem to post much on your joyous days ;D
I'll always support Marquette, and generally their coach. I think if you look back at my history, I've done that with Crean, Buzz, and Wojo. I do think all of them have suffered from a lack of class from some MU fans, and that's where I'll defend them. You should always treat others with class.
And this is where I find any infighting weird right now: We all want MU to hire a guy that will win multiple championships. As unlikely as that is to happen...
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 19, 2021, 03:18:54 PM
Willie - I know you're a fan. You woulda been permabanned years ago if I thought you were just a troll. You just don't seem to post much on your joyous days ;D
I'll always support Marquette, and generally their coach. I think if you look back at my history, I've done that with Crean, Buzz, and Wojo. I do think all of them have suffered from a lack of class from some MU fans, and that's where I'll defend them. You should always treat others with class.
And this is where I find any infighting weird right now: We all want MU to hire a guy that will win multiple championships. As unlikely as that is to happen...
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OK you are right. Not trying to infight. I sometimes wear my passion for MU on my sleeve, because I want them to do way better than where we are at now. I plan to give the new hire at least 3 years to show his stuff. I do not have any one in mind. Hell, if they rehired the cowboy, I would even refrain from calling him the lonely downhome cowboy. At least for a while. And now I will refrain from the bitch mode to keep an open mind on what transpires over the next few weeks. Joyous days are ahead.