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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: 1SE on March 10, 2021, 03:12:04 PM
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To fire Wojo, then how can we credibly tell a new coach in 2022-2023 that we commit the resources needed for a winning program.
If we can't find the money to fire Wojo, let's just hire Wardle or Chapman or Acker or Diener for 250k a year, tell them all that matters is running a clean program, and settle into life battling DePaul for the cellar
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1SE
I have said repeatedly that is an option, but a bad one. Wardle would stay here for 30 years if he was paid $600k (pick a number) and no one would ever call it a skipping stone job again. To spend the money they spend and not have success is insane. If they are serious about the program, they need to pony up and let Woj go.
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1SE
I have said repeatedly that is an option, but a bad one. Wardle would stay here for 30 years if he was paid $600k (pick a number) and no one would ever call it a skipping stone job again. To spend the money they spend and not have success is insane. If they are serious about the program, they need to pony up and let Woj go.
Yeah, if you can't find the money to let him go you can't find the money to have a winning program. Hire a "local" and use the savings to save the faculty. If all were going to do is lose it might as well be cheap.
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Those are 2 entirely different things that also manage to ignore the current financial reality of the world, nation, state, and university
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I would be interested in how much revenue they were counting on. I can’t imagine season ticket renewals will be pretty.
I think a Wojo buyout fund raiser could be Lovell’s best fund raising campaign.
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Yeah, if you can't find the money to let him go you can't find the money to have a winning program. Hire a "local" and use the savings to save the faculty. If all were going to do is lose it might as well be cheap.
We have the money. And the faculty don’t need “saving.”
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Have MU throw its endowment into Gamestop tomorrow & see what happens.
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1SE
It all depends on how they value the program and it's role at the university. Some posters believe they are 100% committed to have a top tier program, I am not one of those posters.
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I would be interested in how much revenue they were counting on. I can’t imagine season ticket renewals will be pretty.
I think a Wojo buyout fund raiser could be Lovell’s best fund raising campaign.
I am sure many would even say 50% of my donation would go to the WIDTMF*, the other 50% as a regular donation.
*Wojo is Dead to Me Fund
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I've never donated to the university. I would to get Wojo fired.
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I would be interested in how much revenue they were counting on. I can’t imagine season ticket renewals will be pretty.
I think a Wojo buyout fund raiser could be Lovell’s best fund raising campaign.
he could do one on his Peloton, there are enough MU grads riding and Lovell is on there all of the time already.
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I've never donated to the university. I would to get Wojo fired.
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I've never donated to the university. I would to get Wojo fired.
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1SE
It all depends on how they value the program and it's role at the university. Some posters believe they are 100% committed to have a top tier program, I am not one of those posters.
Goose, Unfortunately, Wojo will be back. I have said many times, I am not a fan of Lovell. The University is facing some tough decisions. Change needs to start at the top.
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1SE
It all depends on how they value the program and it's role at the university. Some posters believe they are 100% committed to have a top tier program, I am not one of those posters.
Goose... do you feel the commitment to the program has changed with Lovell? Frankly I view Wojo’s tenure as a complete embarassment. With all the talent, we’re just not taking the next step. I don’t buy the argument that we need to keep him to keep a good recruiting class together. Let’s not use COVID for the horrible performance this year.
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I think Lovell is a disaster
He came from UWM / does not care about what hoops means to MU
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Need to put out a hoops alum APB, scrounge up some scrilla from the $1billion (rounded to the nearest billion) our guys have made collectively this millennium. This cannot be allowed to continue if any of them truly care about their alma mater!
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I'm all for hiring Joe Chapman.
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I'm all for hiring Joe Chapman.
Love Chapman. Set your sights higher though. Chase a bigger cheese ball.
Would love to see him get his feet wet at a lower program for a while then step into a prime power program like MU if/when the opportunity arises down the road. This is an emergency, need a proven head coach, can't roll the dice on this one.
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Have MU throw its endowment into Gamestop tomorrow & see what happens.
I haven’t found much to laugh about today, but this is pretty funny. Thanks!
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Come on, folks. You do not hire a Chapman or a Wardle if you want real success with the program. MU is at a crossroads in a lot of places and basketball should be a top priority for the revenue generated.
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I'm all for hiring Joe Chapman.
as a #3 assistant? I'm down with that.
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1SE
It all depends on how they value the program and it's role at the university. Some posters believe they are 100% committed to have a top tier program, I am not one of those posters.
The commitment to a top tier program faded a little bit every year until we got to where we are today. Wojo and his teams were always just good enough to make you believe there was a turn just ahead.
Unfortunately, our best chance for a run would have been with the Hausers last year, but COVID19 had other plans as well.
In any event, do not expect a change. And more because there’s been enough uncertainty due to C19 as opposed to finances. In other words, C19 cooled Wojo’s seat while the university deals with much more pressing issues.
Hope you all get your vaccines soon and I see you at a packed Fiserv in the fall.
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Love Chapman. Set your sights higher though. Chase a bigger cheese ball.
Would love to see him get his feet wet at a lower program for a while then step into a prime power program like MU if/when the opportunity arises down the road. This is an emergency, need a proven head coach, can't roll the dice on this one.
We had a shot at Howland (proven head coach, etc...) last time and, instead, well...you know what happened.
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We had a shot at Howland (proven head coach, etc...) last time and, instead, well...you know what happened.
Am I happy with Wojo now?
NOPE.
But howland? If you wanted him then you’re a clown. 🤡🤡🤡🤡
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Am I happy with Wojo now?
NOPE.
But howland? If you wanted him then you’re a clown. 🤡🤡🤡🤡
I guess I'm a clown. If I recall, he was one of a handful of names being thrown around and aside from the #donedeal, Howland was the only one of them with a proven ability to win in March. Our program would be years ahead of where it is now had we gone with him, IMO.
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I guess I'm a clown. If I recall, he was one of a handful of names being thrown around and aside from the #donedeal, Howland was the only one of them with a proven ability to win in March. Our program would be years ahead of where it is now had we gone with him, IMO.
I’m gonna guess you haven’t looked into howland and his Mississippi state team and record?
“Years ahead” hey?
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I’m gonna guess you haven’t looked into howland and his Mississippi state team and record?
“Years ahead” hey?
His record at Miss. St. has been similar to Wojo's at Marquette. I imagine he'd be doing better given our schools commitment to and focus on bball. The records are at least similar. Hindsights 20/20, but moving forward, if the option is an unproven coach vs. one with a history of success (6 conference championships in 14 Big East/Pac12 seasons), sign me up for Howland all day.
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I guess I'm a clown. If I recall, he was one of a handful of names being thrown around and aside from the #donedeal, Howland was the only one of them with a proven ability to win in March. Our program would be years ahead of where it is now had we gone with him, IMO.
Howland carried baggage from UCLA that MU, rightfully, didn't want to deal with. That's why he's at a program like Mississippi State.
https://www.si.com/more-sports/2012/02/29/ucla
https://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaab--losing--off-court-issues-justifiably-lead-to-firings-of-ben-howland--tubby-smith-000403175.html
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Howland?
C'mon.
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Howland?
C'mon.
Wojo?
Get out.
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The game ended around 4 pm. If MU gave a chit about men's basketball, Wojo would have been terminated by now, hey?
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Here's a follow up to my we-should-have-hired-Howland comment.
Howland's first year at Miss State was 2015/2016, while Wojo was 14/15 at MU.
I'm 14/15 MU and Mississippi State had identical 13-19 records, so that year is a push.
Comparing Wojo vs. Howland when both were in place, it's close:
Wojo:. 115 - 76
Howland:. 112 - 80
But... Looking back at what each inherited, I look back to Buzz's record vs. Mississippi State's record.
Buzz:. 139 - 69 (5 NCAA bids, 2 16s, 1 Elite 8)
MSU:. 122 - 100 (1 NCAA bid - in Buzz's first year at MU, 2 NITs)
Howland inherited a MUCH weaker program than Wojo. It isn't even close. Buzz missed the NCAAs once in six years. MSU made it once in six years.
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4ever
I went out to dinner with my 70y sister for the first time in a year and has my fingers crossed he was canned. If they gave a fxxk he would be gone within 24 hours.
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MU doesn't operate that way.
5:00 Friday news dump, baby.
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MU doesn't operate that way.
5:00 Friday news dump, baby.
I'm a patient guy. I can wait till then.
Here's hoping.
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The game ended around 4 pm. If MU gave a chit about men's basketball, Wojo would have been terminated by now, hey?
They should make him canoe the Erie canal from MSG through the chain of Great Lakes back to Milwaukee in homage to Jacques Marquette if he wants a chance to keep his job. Then they should fire him the second he steps foot back on campus. It would be a good prank.
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They should make him canoe the Erie canal from MSG through the chain of Great Lakes back to Milwaukee in homage to Jacques Marquette if he wants a chance to keep his job. Then they should fire him the second he steps foot back on campus. It would be a good prank.
Why let him get out of the canoe?
Don't they have bullhorns in Milwaukee any more?
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The university should have bought BitCoin a year ago at 5000....
Bought some for my kids 401k's......Now they think I am cool.....
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Here's a follow up to my we-should-have-hired-Howland comment.
Howland's first year at Miss State was 2015/2016, while Wojo was 14/15 at MU.
I'm 14/15 MU and Mississippi State had identical 13-19 records, so that year is a push.
Comparing Wojo vs. Howland when both were in place, it's close:
Wojo:. 115 - 76
Howland:. 112 - 80
But... Looking back at what each inherited, I look back to Buzz's record vs. Mississippi State's record.
Buzz:. 139 - 69 (5 NCAA bids, 2 16s, 1 Elite 8)
MSU:. 122 - 100 (1 NCAA bid - in Buzz's first year at MU, 2 NITs)
Howland inherited a MUCH weaker program than Wojo. It isn't even close. Buzz missed the NCAAs once in six years. MSU made it once in six years.
Random Thoughts. Beilein would be my choice. But I heard Mr Strong liked Howland when we hired Wojo. Talked with Howland at the Final Four in 2003. He was leaving PITT for UCLA. He asked me about Crean. I told him Tom is staying we love him at Marquette. Buzz has had two nothing years at Texas AandM. Thoughts on how Buzz will do next year
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Random Thoughts. Beilein would be my choice. But I heard Mr Strong liked Howland when we hired Wojo. Talked with Howland at the Final Four in 2003. He was leaving PITT for UCLA. He asked me about Crean. I told him Tom is staying we love him at Marquette. Buzz has had two nothing years at Texas AandM. Thoughts on how Buzz will do next year
It seems that Buzz had improved every program he's coached. Some quickly, some seem to take a couple years.
If I had two bet money, is put it on Buzz making A&M much better.
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I think Lovell is a disaster
He came from UWM / does not care about what hoops means to MU
100%
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4ever
I went out to dinner with my 70y sister for the first time in a year and has my fingers crossed he was canned. If they gave a fxxk he would be gone within 24 hours.
The University just can't seem to think like a business thinks. The question that begs to be asked is why was Woj continually given contract extensions? Seems like like the powers that be peed down their legs, hey?
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I've never donated to the university. I would to get Wojo fired.
Besides my outrageously overpriced education, I’ve never donated to the university either. Don’t plan to until the only thing that keeps me interested in the school (the basketball program) returns to some respectability. It’s a joke right now.
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Is there anyone the ordinary fan can make a difference? Has anyone ever gotten a response from an email, letter, or phone call? Would they even matter?
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The University just can't seem to think like a business thinks. The question that begs to be asked is why was Woj continually given contract extensions? Seems like like the powers that be peed down their legs, hey?
Interesting comment Doc. At the top levels, the public image of university presidents is that of administrators/academics above the fray of business, yet their primary responsibilities are business management and fund raising. I think you have described the problem with Lovell. The basketball program is business, is important to many who donate, and is a factor that prospective students consider when applying. Those applicants are potential business. They are potential income.
I need to balance this by saying that Marquette is much more than a business. Lovell's goals of first-in-family college graduates and Marquette's Jesuit traditions and goals are at the heart of Marquette under Lovell or any other president. If he cannot understand the importance of bball's money and marketing presence in making Marquette be all it can be, then he is failing on the business side of the big picture.
Our best hope that some major donors who really understand business step in and insist that he clean up the Wojo fiasco. Let's hope they start by offering to help out with Wojo's buyout. I no longer think he can find a comparable job anywhere, so the possibility of his leaving on his own is becoming very unlikely.
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His record at Miss. St. has been similar to Wojo's at Marquette. I imagine he'd be doing better given our schools commitment to and focus on bball. The records are at least similar. Hindsights 20/20, but moving forward, if the option is an unproven coach vs. one with a history of success (6 conference championships in 14 Big East/Pac12 seasons), sign me up for Howland all day.
IMO Howland has been worse. You can make a better example than this.
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The University just can't seem to think like a business thinks. The question that begs to be asked is why was Woj continually given contract extensions? Seems like like the powers that be peed down their legs, hey?
Marquette needs much better leadership at the top. It all starts there.
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Interesting comment Doc. At the top levels, the public image of university presidents is that of administrators/academics above the fray of business, yet their primary responsibilities are business management and fund raising. I think you have described the problem with Lovell. The basketball program is business, is important to many who donate, and is a factor that prospective students consider when applying. Those applicants are potential business. They are potential income.
I need to balance this by saying that Marquette is much more than a business. Lovell's goals of first-in-family college graduates and Marquette's Jesuit traditions and goals are at the heart of Marquette under Lovell or any other president. If he cannot understand the importance of bball's money and marketing presence in making Marquette be all it can be, then he is failing on the business side of the big picture.
Our best hope that some major donors who really understand business step in and insist that he clean up the Wojo fiasco. Let's hope they start by offering to help out with Wojo's buyout. I no longer think he can find a comparable job anywhere, so the possibility of his leaving on his own is becoming very unlikely.
Correct me if I am wrong but didn't this admin basically tell Dick Strong - the definition of a major supporter - to f-off when Strong indicated he did not want Wojo hired?
If so, I wonder what it will take for this admin to come around to your very logical view.
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Correct me if I am wrong but didn't this admin basically tell Dick Strong - the definition of a major supporter - to f-off when Strong indicated he did not want Wojo hired?
Not quite. They hired Wojo without Strong knowing about it.
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Not quite. They hired Wojo without Strong knowing about it.
Ok, I wasn't sure. Thanks for clarifying.
My follow-up question is then: How tone deaf/clueless does this admin have to be to make a hire like Wojo without giving a heads up to a major donor the size of Dick Strong?
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Ok, I wasn't sure. Thanks for clarifying.
My follow-up question is then: How tone deaf/clueless does this admin have to be to make a hire like Wojo without giving a heads up to a major donor the size of Dick Strong?
Well Lovell was new - like just a couple weeks into the gig. So someone should have told him to circle back with Strong. Cords possibly.
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Well Lovell was new - like just a couple weeks into the gig. So someone should have told him to circle back with Strong. Cords possibly.
A big part was that Strong had a relationship with Lovell at UWM and pushed him for the MU job (felt the new President should know MKE, Wisconsin). And then he was cut out including the managing of MU funds.
Hitting him with his charity and business was not a formula for a successful relationship. 😂
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A big part was that Strong had a relationship with Lovell at UWM and pushed him for the MU job (felt the new President should know MKE, Wisconsin). And then he was cut out including the managing of MU funds.
Hitting him with his charity and business was not a formula for a successful relationship. 😂
Ah that's interesting.
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Correct me if I am wrong but didn't this admin basically tell Dick Strong - the definition of a major supporter - to f-off when Strong indicated he did not want Wojo hired?
If so, I wonder what it will take for this admin to come around to your very logical view.
Not so. Strong was very pro-Howland. MU was not and was correct to be against him. He had massive skeletons in the closet and was...not a pleasant person to be around. There's a reason it took time for him to be hired and several high majors passed on him. Since he got to MSST he's done nothing to prove that he would have been successful here. Strong was not consulted on Wojo, which he may have taken as an "F-off", but he was only anti-Wojo in the sense that he wasn't Howland.
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Not so. Strong was very pro-Howland. MU was not and was correct to be against him. He had massive skeletons in the closet and was...not a pleasant person to be around. There's a reason it took time for him to be hired and several high majors passed on him. Since he got to MSST he's done nothing to prove that he would have been successful here. Strong was not consulted on Wojo, which he may have taken as an "F-off", but he was only anti-Wojo in the sense that he wasn't Howland.
I believe Strong also threw his support behind Shaka. He was rumored to be on the plane to Virginia ( or supplied the plane).
I think it was smart to not go with Howland. I’m kind of curious, who would have been the best hire of that year?
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Not so. Strong was very pro-Howland. MU was not and was correct to be against him. He had massive skeletons in the closet and was...not a pleasant person to be around. There's a reason it took time for him to be hired and several high majors passed on him. Since he got to MSST he's done nothing to prove that he would have been successful here. Strong was not consulted on Wojo, which he may have taken as an "F-off", but he was only anti-Wojo in the sense that he wasn't Howland.
Here's a follow up to my we-should-have-hired-Howland comment.
Howland's first year at Miss State was 2015/2016, while Wojo was 14/15 at MU.
I'm 14/15 MU and Mississippi State had identical 13-19 records, so that year is a push.
Comparing Wojo vs. Howland when both were in place, it's close:
Wojo:. 115 - 76
Howland:. 112 - 80
But... Looking back at what each inherited, I look back to Buzz's record vs. Mississippi State's record.
Buzz:. 139 - 69 (5 NCAA bids, 2 16s, 1 Elite 8)
MSU:. 122 - 100 (1 NCAA bid - in Buzz's first year at MU, 2 NITs)
Howland inherited a MUCH weaker program than Wojo. It isn't even close. Buzz missed the NCAAs once in six years. MSU made it once in six years.
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Not so. Strong was very pro-Howland. MU was not and was correct to be against him. He had massive skeletons in the closet and was...not a pleasant person to be around. There's a reason it took time for him to be hired and several high majors passed on him. Since he got to MSST he's done nothing to prove that he would have been successful here. Strong was not consulted on Wojo, which he may have taken as an "F-off", but he was only anti-Wojo in the sense that he wasn't Howland.
As to Howland's skeletons, please don't think that we are immune to that at MU. We just got lucky that some of the big ones happened in a different era.
Before I go on, I do not KNOW the following is truthful and if it is, how accurate the story is. I DO know that the person I heard it from many years ago was: 1) a very high integrity individual, 2) not prone to hyperbole, and 3) well-respected and connected in the MU community.
With that out of the way...
Back in early '70s during Maurice Lucas' time at MU, apparently someone made the terrible mistake of using the "N"-word to Maurice.
Maurice responded as one would expect, not well. The person who committed the offense found himself being held by his ankles out a window at McCormick Hall (I think it was McCormick but I cannot recall that detail). The police were called and the police then called Al, who took care of it and smoothed things out.
Just out of curiosity, if that had happened at the same time that Howland had his issues at UCLA, do you think Al may have had some negative PR blowback? Could it perhaps qualify as a "skeleton"?
I am not absolving Howland for letting the inmates run the asylum at UCLA but I said then and I say now that anyone can make a mistake. And that mistake can either define them or lead them to do it better if given another chance.
Howland wanted to be here and - consistent with Jesuit teachings - should have been eligible for redemption. Add in the fact that the guy has an enviable record of success, I felt than and feel now that he was a better risk than Wojo.
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As to Howland's skeletons, please don't think that we are immune to that at MU. We just got lucky that some of the big ones happened in a different era.
Before I go on, I do not KNOW the following is truthful and if it is, how accurate the story is. I DO know that the person I heard it from many years ago was: 1) a very high integrity individual, 2) not prone to hyperbole, and 3) well-respected and connected in the MU community.
With that out of the way...
Back in early '70s during Maurice Lucas' time at MU, apparently someone made the terrible mistake of using the "N"-word to Maurice.
Maurice responded as one would expect, not well. The person who committed the offense found himself being held by his ankles out a window at McCormick Hall (I think it was McCormick but I cannot recall that detail). The police were called and the police then called Al, who took care of it and smoothed things out.
Just out of curiosity, if that had happened at the same time that Howland had his issues at UCLA, do you think Al may have had some negative PR blowback? Could it perhaps qualify as a "skeleton"?
I am not absolving Howland for letting the inmates run the asylum at UCLA but I said then and I say now that anyone can make a mistake. And that mistake can either define them or lead them to do it better if given another chance.
Howland wanted to be here and - consistent with Jesuit teachings - should have been eligible for redemption. Add in the fact that the guy has an enviable record of success, I felt than and feel now that he was a better risk than Wojo.
In 2014, MU was looking for the exact opposite of Buzz. Howland, after that damning Sports Illustrated article, was simply too close to Buzz. That was the end of it for him, full stop.
For what it’s worth, I would’ve rather had Howland, and wanted him after we missed on Shaka. But it was never going to happen.
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In 2014, MU was looking for the exact opposite of Buzz. Howland, after that damning Sports Illustrated article, was simply too close to Buzz. That was the end of it for him, full stop.
For what it’s worth, I would’ve rather had Howland, and wanted him after we missed on Shaka. But it was never going to happen.
I agree with this. Wojo was unproven but spotless
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Here's a follow up to my we-should-have-hired-Howland comment.
Howland's first year at Miss State was 2015/2016, while Wojo was 14/15 at MU.
I'm 14/15 MU and Mississippi State had identical 13-19 records, so that year is a push.
Comparing Wojo vs. Howland when both were in place, it's close:
Wojo:. 115 - 76
Howland:. 112 - 80
But... Looking back at what each inherited, I look back to Buzz's record vs. Mississippi State's record.
Buzz:. 139 - 69 (5 NCAA bids, 2 16s, 1 Elite 8)
MSU:. 122 - 100 (1 NCAA bid - in Buzz's first year at MU, 2 NITs)
Howland inherited a MUCH weaker program than Wojo. It isn't even close. Buzz missed the NCAAs once in six years. MSU made it once in six years.
How is 3 NCAAT appearances (Wojo) and 1 NCAAT appearance (Howland) "close"?
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How is 3 NCAAT appearances (Wojo) and 1 NCAAT appearance (Howland) "close"?
Wojo doesn’t have 3 NCAA appearances
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Back in early '70s during Maurice Lucas' time at MU, apparently someone made the terrible mistake of using the "N"-word to Maurice.
Maurice responded as one would expect, not well. The person who committed the offense found himself being held by his ankles out a window at McCormick Hall (I think it was McCormick but I cannot recall that detail). The police were called and the police then called Al, who took care of it and smoothed things out.
Just out of curiosity, if that had happened at the same time that Howland had his issues at UCLA, do you think Al may have had some negative PR blowback? Could it perhaps qualify as a "skeleton"?
If Al had been coaching in the 2010s (when Howland had his issues at UCLA), he would have been fired for some of the things that happened. Tackling Lloyd Walton in the locker room at the '74 Final Four? Exchanging punches with Bernard Toone?
I love Al and his legacy as much as anyone, but there is no way his style would have worked in this millennium.
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Wojo doesn’t have 3 NCAA appearances
Yeah, I don’t know where he got that number from. Wojo has two NCAA appearances. Those are the facts, not some number that was thrown out there based on emotion.
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The Maurice Lucas story is/was fairly well known. Doesn't mean it is true.
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Reposted below.
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Yeah, I don’t know where he got that number from. Wojo has two NCAA appearances. Those are the facts, not some number that was thrown out there based on emotion.
Some people here like to give him credit for last year but the fact is we closed the regular season with six losses in seven games. We likely would’ve laid an egg in the big East tourney. That, in addition to any bid stealers, would’ve put us in a similar position as the 2018 March madness, 18-13 and on the bubble. We were certainly NOT a lock.
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Wojo doesn’t have 3 NCAA appearances
Yeah, I don’t know where he got that number from. Wojo has two NCAA appearances. Those are the facts, not some number that was thrown out there based on emotion.
Sigh.
Wojo has 2 NCAAT appearances and was considered a stone cold lock for a third NCAAT appearance, appearing in 100% of over 100 bracketologists projections prior to the NCAAT being cancelled by a global pandemic.
Do you see why someone might shorthand that to "3 NCAAT appearances" when everyone knows what is meant by it?
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Are we arguing that Mississippi state is on the same level as Marquette? Come on man.
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Since we can't count the 2020 season as an NCAA Tournament appearance, at least we can celebrate the fact that Wojo has tied for the longest streak of most straight NCAA Tournament appearances in the country until Sunday.
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"Close" referred to the won/loss record that I put immediately below that statement.
What relevance does overall W-L record have if the teams played completely different levels of schedules?
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Some people here like to give him credit for last year
Because he was the coach last year and the team played a full regular season and did more than enough to earn at an large bid.
but the fact is we closed the regular season with six losses in seven games.
Which isn't a factor considered by the selection committee
We likely would’ve laid an egg in the big East tourney.
So we're not allowed to say that we were a lock for the NCAAT when its backed up by facts, but we are allowed to assume the outcome of a game that was never played.
That, in addition to any bid stealers
It would have taken at least 7 bid-stealers out of a possible 9. Literally has never happened.
would’ve put us in a similar position as the 2018 March madness, 18-13 and on the bubble. We were certainly NOT a lock.
Only if you don't understand how NCAAT selection works.
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Repost.
"Close" referred to the won/loss record that I put immediately below that statement.
We could also look at progress:
MU
2015/2016: 20-13, no post season
2016/2017: 19-13, NCAA 1st round loss (20 point loss to South Carolina)
2017/2018: 21-14, NIT quarters
2018/2019: 24-10, NCAA 1st round loss (19 point loss to Murray State)
2019/2020: 18-12, T6th in BE
2020/2021: 13-14, 8th in BE, 1st round BET loss, no post season
Mississippi State
2015/2016: 14-17, no post season
2016/2017: 16-16, no post season
2017/2018: 25-12, NIT semis
2018/2019: 23-11, NCAA 1st round loss (4pt loss to Liberty)
2019/2020: 20-11, T4th in SEC
2020/2021: 14-13, 9th in SEC, advanced to 2nd round of SEC tournament
Wojo beats Howland in NCAA bids, 2-1 (but considering MU's performance, I do not know if this is a good thing).
As far as trajectory, I would take Mississippi State over MU - especially considering the respective starting points. As I posted previously, Wojo inherited a program that had been to the NCAAs in five of the prior six year, while Howland walked into one with one NCAA bid in the last six years (and that bid was six years prior to his arrival).
The W/L records are close but Howland has a lot tougher climb than Wojo. In terms of post season, I will take any bet that you want to make regarding post-season success over whatever time period you want to cover.
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Sigh.
Wojo has 2 NCAAT appearances and was considered a stone cold lock for a third NCAAT appearance, appearing in 100% of over 100 bracketologists projections prior to the NCAAT being cancelled by a global pandemic.
Do you see why someone might shorthand that to "3 NCAAT appearances" when everyone knows what is meant by it?
Why stop there?
Woo hoo! We won another NCAA Championship!
Congrats everyone!!!! We are Marquette!!!
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Why stop there?
Woo hoo! We won another NCAA Championship!
Congrats everyone!!!! We are Marquette!!!
That's not backed up by facts. Us making the tournament is.
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Why stop there?
Woo hoo! We won another NCAA Championship!
Congrats everyone!!!! We are Marquette!!!
Hang the banner. Stone cold lock as a 11 seed, last 5 in, prior to the conference tourneys. Stone cold lock.
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That's not backed up by facts. Us making the tournament is.
Definition of fact:
1a: something that has actual existence
space exploration is now a fact
b: an actual occurrence
prove the fact of damage
2: a piece of information presented as having objective reality
These are the hard facts of the case.
3: the quality of being actual : ACTUALITY
a question of fact hinges on evidence
4: a thing done
I'm sorry...which definition of "FACT" are you using in your statement?
Considering the NCAA Tournament didn't happen -or even get to selection - I am interested in how this is a type of "fact" that escaped Merriam-Webster.
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Repost.
"Close" referred to the won/loss record that I put immediately below that statement.
We could also look at progress:
MU
2015/2016: 20-13, no post season
2016/2017: 19-13, NCAA 1st round loss (20 point loss to South Carolina)
2017/2018: 21-14, NIT quarters
2018/2019: 24-10, NCAA 1st round loss (19 point loss to Murray State)
2019/2020: 18-12, T6th in BE
2020/2021: 13-14, 8th in BE, 1st round BET loss, no post season
Mississippi State
2015/2016: 14-17, no post season
2016/2017: 16-16, no post season
2017/2018: 25-12, NIT semis
2018/2019: 23-11, NCAA 1st round loss (4pt loss to Liberty)
2019/2020: 20-11, T4th in SEC
2020/2021: 14-13, 9th in SEC, advanced to 2nd round of SEC tournament
Wojo beats Howland in NCAA bids, 2-1 (but considering MU's performance, I do not know if this is a good thing).
As far as trajectory, I would take Mississippi State over MU - especially considering the respective starting points. As I posted previously, Wojo inherited a program that had been to the NCAAs in five of the prior six year, while Howland walked into one with one NCAA bid in the last six years (and that bid was six years prior to his arrival).
The W/L records are close but Howland has a lot tougher climb than Wojo. In terms of post season, I will take any bet that you want to make regarding post-season success over whatever time period you want to cover.
It's 3-1 in seasons where you played well enough to earn an NCAAT appearance.
How is peaking in Year 4 and trending down (MSST) better trajectory than peaking in year 5 and trending down (MU)? Especially when the year after their respective peaks, MSST was a lock for the NIT and MU was a lock for the NCAAs prior to COVID?
Wojo did inherit a better program. His ceiling should be higher. But they inherited similar rosters. KenPom rated Wojo's first roster as 93rd, Howland's as 110th. Their potential floors were about the same.
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Ok.
You're right.
But i highlight that you did not take me up on my bet.
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If you’re arguing Howland’s record is better at MSU than Wojo at MUBB, then you’re not serious about having “higher expectations”
And for the people that don’t understand the economics of major college athletics and dismiss the notion Mississippi State doesn’t spend on basketball, take a look at their operating budget and how much more they can afford on a program they don’t care about. SEC money versus Big East money is staggering.
Mississippi State has as many Final 4’s as Marquette since the tournament expanded to 64. Rick Stansbury took them to as many NCAA tournaments as Tom Crean took Marquette in the same time frame.
As for Ben Howland, ask yourself how a coach who went to 3 straight Final 4’s wandered around looking for a job and the best he could do was the “bad” Mississippi State job?
You can complain about the Wojo era, it’s a bust, but if you think hiring Howland was some missed opportunity, I have to question if you pay attention to college basketball
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Hang the banner. Stone cold lock as a 11 seed, last 5 in, prior to the conference tourneys. Stone cold lock.
We were a 9 seed prior to the conference tourneys. Conference tourneys don't move teams more than a seed line in either direction, Brew did an excellent article on it recently.
Definition of fact:
1a: something that has actual existence
space exploration is now a fact
b: an actual occurrence
prove the fact of damage
2: a piece of information presented as having objective reality
These are the hard facts of the case.
3: the quality of being actual : ACTUALITY
a question of fact hinges on evidence
4: a thing done
I'm sorry...which definition of "FACT" are you using in your statement?
Considering the NCAA Tournament didn't happen -or even get to selection - I am interested in how this is a type of "fact" that escaped Merriam-Webster.
You missed the fact that we played the entire regular season, the criteria which decides whether or not you make the NCAAT, and had played well enough that over 100 bracketologists universally agreed that our resume was strong enough to earn us a bid. You can also use common sense and realize that we had done enough to earn a bid.
We were going to get a NCAAT bid last season. There is plenty of evidence to support that and none to dispute it. I get it, I want him fired too but there is plenty to bag on Wojo for, you don't need to pretend that we weren't going to get a bid next season.
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But i highlight that you did not take me up on my bet.
Are you talking about this?
In terms of post season, I will take any bet that you want to make regarding post-season success over whatever time period you want to cover.
I already won the bet. Wojo has had more postseason success than Howland over the time period that they were both head coaches at the same time. If you are talking future success, no interest. I want Wojo fired. But also don't want Howland hired to replace him. This conversation started because I said "Howland has done nothing to prove that he would have done any better" which is true. Maybe he would have done better. Maybe he would have done worse. But nothing about what he has done at MSST leads me to believe that he would have been an improvement.
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Zero interest on chasing after Howland from this alum.
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Are you talking about this?
I already won the bet. Wojo has had more postseason success than Howland over the time period that they were both head coaches at the same time. If you are talking future success, no interest. I want Wojo fired. But also don't want Howland hired to replace him. This conversation started because I said "Howland has done nothing to prove that he would have done any better" which is true. Maybe he would have done better. Maybe he would have done worse. But nothing about what he has done at MSST leads me to believe that he would have been an improvement.
NEXT five years. Post season: Wojo vs. Howland.
You name the amount. I'll take Howland.
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NEXT five years. Post season: Wojo vs. Howland.
You name the amount. I'll take Howland.
So if Marquette had performed at the same level as Mississippi St under Howland, you’d be satisfied?
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If you’re arguing Howland’s record is better at MSU than Wojo at MUBB, then you’re not serious about having “higher expectations”
And for the people that don’t understand the economics of major college athletics and dismiss the notion Mississippi State doesn’t spend on basketball, take a look at their operating budget and how much more they can afford on a program they don’t care about. SEC money versus Big East money is staggering.
Mississippi State has as many Final 4’s as Marquette since the tournament expanded to 64. Rick Stansbury took them to as many NCAA tournaments as Tom Crean took Marquette in the same time frame.
As for Ben Howland, ask yourself how a coach who went to 3 straight Final 4’s wandered around looking for a job and the best he could do was the “bad” Mississippi State job?
You can complain about the Wojo era, it’s a bust, but if you think hiring Howland was some missed opportunity, I have to question if you pay attention to college basketball
I am saying the W/L records are even. Considering the starting points of Wojo and Howland, Howland had more work to do to get there.
That is what I am saying.
I respectfully disagree on Howland being a missed opportunity. He had some well-known baggage that kept him out of work for a few years - and I already stated my opinion on that - but you cannot dispute his track record of success. If you feel this means I don't "pay attention to college basketball". Quite the opposite is true and has been since mid-70s.
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So if Marquette had performed at the same level as Mississippi St under Howland, you’d be satisfied?
Rico,
My bet is on postseason success. No postseason, no win the bet.
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Zero interest on chasing after Howland from this alum.
We should be able to do better than this has been, hey?
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We should be able to do better than this has been, hey?
Warrior, I am not advocating for going after Howland (and I would like to think you are right above). I am saying that he would have been a better choice seven years ago. I also think that if we want to compare Wojo to Howland in the future, I will happily bet a certain poster on who will have better post-season success.
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Would Wojo have been fired already if they were going to make a move? It’s complete incompetence if they don’t do it until a few weeks from now since transfers have already started hitting the market and recruits are backing out of their commitments. The search should have started yesterday at 4:05 CST.
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Would Wojo have been fired already if they were going to make a move? It’s complete incompetence if they don’t do it until a few weeks from now since transfers have already started hitting the market and recruits are backing out of their commitments. The search should have started yesterday at 4:05 CST.
I'm crossing my fingers for the classic Friday afternoon news dump. I'm not expecting, but hoping for it to happen.
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NEXT five years. Post season: Wojo vs. Howland.
You name the amount. I'll take Howland.
I already answered this. I want Wojo fired. Why would I bet on him to have any postseason success.
This conversation was about whether or not we should have hired Howland in 2014, and the answer is no.
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Would Wojo have been fired already if they were going to make a move? It’s complete incompetence if they don’t do it until a few weeks from now since transfers have already started hitting the market and recruits are backing out of their commitments. The search should have started yesterday at 4:05 CST.
Not necessarily. Wojo's buyout likely drops when this season is over. I don't know how Wojo's contract defines the end of a season. If it means saving a few million, waiting a few days makes sense.
That being said, I have heard nothing that makes me believe that a move is coming. The narrative we've been told for months is that COVID will save Wojo's job. I've heard nothing to counteract that.
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I am saying the W/L records are even. Considering the starting points of Wojo and Howland, Howland had more work to do to get there.
That is what I am saying.
I respectfully disagree on Howland being a missed opportunity. He had some well-known baggage that kept him out of work for a few years - and I already stated my opinion on that - but you cannot dispute his track record of success. If you feel this means I don't "pay attention to college basketball". Quite the opposite is true and has been since mid-70s.
What were their rosters like when they started? That seems a pretty important variable in comparing the 2 starting points
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TAMU
I hope you keep us updated if you hear otherwise. You were a great resource prior to Wojo being hired and I hope we count on you again. Also, happy to see you feel he should be canned. While I have bitched about him for 3-4 years I had hoped he would prove me wrong. I do not think he will be let go, but he should be.
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Warrior, I am not advocating for going after Howland (and I would like to think you are right above). I am saying that he would have been a better choice seven years ago. I also think that if we want to compare Wojo to Howland in the future, I will happily bet a certain poster on who will have better post-season success.
With the way things ended at UCLA for Howland, he was never a serious option at MU.
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With the way things ended at UCLA for Howland, he was never a serious option at MU.
Yeah, you don't replace a coach with off the court problems with one who had off the court problems.
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What were their rosters like when they started? That seems a pretty important variable in comparing the 2 starting points
I am also putting some weight on the "we've been to the Big Dance in five of the last six years, with three Sweet 16s or better" carrying more weight than "we went to the Big Dance six years ago and the NIT twice since then", on the recruiting trail.
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I think someone asked who the best hire was that year. It's pretty obvious if you go back and look at the list...
- 1. Kelvin Sampson, Houston: After a rough start, Sampson had consistent improvement, improving over their projected kenpom ranking every year except the first, with an average improvement of 33.8 spots in the past 6 seasons. They are now a perennial top-20 team and trending toward a 2/3 seed this year. I know...Marquette wasn't going to hire someone with that baggage, but considering what Houston got out of a guy with baggage, maybe we shouldn't rule people out on the basis of past misdeeds if we want to win.
- 2. Craig Smith, South Dakota: Hiring a Nebraska assistant wouldn't have excited many, but in 4 years at USD he averaged an 82.5 spot improvement in kenpom and he took them from a perennial sub-200 team to the top-100 before moving on to Utah State.
- 3. Bruce Pearl, Auburn: We were never going to hire Pearl either, but Auburn had been sub-100 in 8/10 seasons before Pearl arrived. He took them to the Final Four and consistent top-35 rankings before this season.
- 4. Chris Jans, Bowling Green: He wasn't on our radar and had obvious issues at Bowling Green, but his results at New Mexico State have been incredible. With his JUCO background, was probably exactly what Marquette was trying to get away from, but considering his issues came after this hiring cycle, might've worked out.
- 5. Buzz Williams, Virginia Tech: Well...he probably was never coming back.
Anyone like other names better? Honestly, considering what Marquette was looking for, the crop wasn't great. Cuonzo would've been okay, but I don't think he would still be here. He wasn't running to something, he was running from something.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/hirings-and-firings-2014-college-basketball-coaching-changes/
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I think someone asked who the best hire was that year. It's pretty obvious if you go back and look at the list...
- 1. Kelvin Sampson, Houston: After a rough start, Sampson had consistent improvement, improving over their projected kenpom ranking every year except the first, with an average improvement of 33.8 spots in the past 6 seasons. They are now a perennial top-20 team and trending toward a 2/3 seed this year. I know...Marquette wasn't going to hire someone with that baggage, but considering what Houston got out of a guy with baggage, maybe we shouldn't rule people out on the basis of past misdeeds if we want to win.
- 2. Craig Smith, South Dakota: Hiring a Nebraska assistant wouldn't have excited many, but in 4 years at USD he averaged an 82.5 spot improvement in kenpom and he took them from a perennial sub-200 team to the top-100 before moving on to Utah State.
- 3. Bruce Pearl, Auburn: We were never going to hire Pearl either, but Auburn had been sub-100 in 8/10 seasons before Pearl arrived. He took them to the Final Four and consistent top-35 rankings before this season.
- 4. Chris Jans, Bowling Green: He wasn't on our radar and had obvious issues at Bowling Green, but his results at New Mexico State have been incredible. With his JUCO background, was probably exactly what Marquette was trying to get away from, but considering his issues came after this hiring cycle, might've worked out.
- 5. Buzz Williams, Virginia Tech: Well...he probably was never coming back.
Anyone like other names better? Honestly, considering what Marquette was looking for, the crop wasn't great. Cuonzo would've been okay, but I don't think he would still be here. He wasn't running to something, he was running from something.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/hirings-and-firings-2014-college-basketball-coaching-changes/
None of those five would have been on Marquette’s radar. And Jans was fired at BGSU for lewd and drunk behavior.
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None of those five would have been on Marquette’s radar. And Jans was fired at BGSU for lewd and drunk behavior.
I would argue Sampson should've been. His NCAA violations were always stupid and are not even violations any more.
Smith wasn't, but many seem to think he should be now.
Jans I don't think would've been because of his JUCO past, but the things that got him fired at BGSU would've been completely irrelevant in 2014 when he was hired at BGSU. We couldn't have held actions against him that hadn't yet happened.
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Scoop bake sale.
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Scoop bake sale.
You're thinking too small. Local Arby's will host a night for a nonprofit where 10% of sales go to the NP. A coordinated "Eat at Arby's" night across the country could bring in dozens of dollars.
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None of those five would have been on Marquette’s radar. And Jans was fired at BGSU for lewd and drunk behavior.
Four of the five are squirmy
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Howland was and is a total joke. Wojo was the right hire at the time and we need to accept that we should be gunning for the next up and comer who can keep us in the tourney year in and year out. Having said that Wojo is not that guy but it felt like he could’ve been. This was the year he had a balanced talented roster and it was nothing but uninspired on the court.
I have heard it with my own ears from Scholl that schools don’t fire coaches that make the ncaa tourney… well this coach doesn’t do that.
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We did this exercise a while ago. Of coaches MU could have conceivably hired at the time (Sampson/Pearl too dirty, Beard/C Smith too unknown), I think the only one I would say that has been definitively better is Mike White who was hired a year later at Florida. With Mizzou getting back on track, maybe Cuonzo passes Wojo. Maybe Steve Pikiell but he may have fall into the too unknown category when Wojo was hired.
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Howland was and is a total joke. Wojo was the right hire at the time and we need to accept that we should be gunning for the next up and comer who can keep us in the tourney year in and year out. Having said that Wojo is not that guy but it felt like he could’ve been. This was the year he had a balanced talented roster and it was nothing but uninspired on the court.
I have heard it with my own ears from Scholl that schools don’t fire coaches that make the ncaa tourney… well this coach doesn’t do that.
Howland a total joke?
Yeah. With how many Final Fours under his belt?
Did he screw up at the end at UCLA? Yeah. A total joke? No. That's Wojo, not Howland.
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I think someone asked who the best hire was that year. It's pretty obvious if you go back and look at the list...
- 1. Kelvin Sampson, Houston: After a rough start, Sampson had consistent improvement, improving over their projected kenpom ranking every year except the first, with an average improvement of 33.8 spots in the past 6 seasons. They are now a perennial top-20 team and trending toward a 2/3 seed this year. I know...Marquette wasn't going to hire someone with that baggage, but considering what Houston got out of a guy with baggage, maybe we shouldn't rule people out on the basis of past misdeeds if we want to win.
- 2. Craig Smith, South Dakota: Hiring a Nebraska assistant wouldn't have excited many, but in 4 years at USD he averaged an 82.5 spot improvement in kenpom and he took them from a perennial sub-200 team to the top-100 before moving on to Utah State.
- 3. Bruce Pearl, Auburn: We were never going to hire Pearl either, but Auburn had been sub-100 in 8/10 seasons before Pearl arrived. He took them to the Final Four and consistent top-35 rankings before this season.
- 4. Chris Jans, Bowling Green: He wasn't on our radar and had obvious issues at Bowling Green, but his results at New Mexico State have been incredible. With his JUCO background, was probably exactly what Marquette was trying to get away from, but considering his issues came after this hiring cycle, might've worked out.
- 5. Buzz Williams, Virginia Tech: Well...he probably was never coming back.
Anyone like other names better? Honestly, considering what Marquette was looking for, the crop wasn't great. Cuonzo would've been okay, but I don't think he would still be here. He wasn't running to something, he was running from something.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/hirings-and-firings-2014-college-basketball-coaching-changes/
Kelvin Sampson is a great college basketball coach. The Indiana nonsense was just that, nonsense. That said, Indiana wasn’t a good fit for him. I believe this, had he come to Marquette, Marquette would have won a lot
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Kelvin Sampson is a great college basketball coach. The Indiana nonsense was just that, nonsense. That said, Indiana wasn’t a good fit for him. I believe this, had he come to Marquette, Marquette would have won a lot
Did he get hired away from the Bucks as an assistant to go to Houston or was there a stop in between?
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Did he get hired away from the Bucks as an assistant to go to Houston or was there a stop in between?
He was an assistant with the Bucks for 3 years, then with the Rockets for 3 years. He also had a 5 year show cause, so he couldn't have coached in the NCAA before then.
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Kelvin Sampson is a great college basketball coach. The Indiana nonsense was just that, nonsense. That said, Indiana wasn’t a good fit for him. I believe this, had he come to Marquette, Marquette would have won a lot
What about the Oklahoma nonsense?
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What about the Oklahoma nonsense?
The same nonsense that is no longer a violation.
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I would argue Sampson should've been. His NCAA violations were always stupid and are not even violations any more.
They are stupid. But he was a repeat violator of said rules and lied about breaking them to the IU AD. There was zero chance MU was going to hire him.
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The same nonsense that is no longer a violation.
That's a lot of squirmy
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelvin_Sampson#NCAA_violations
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They are stupid. But he was a repeat violator of said rules and lied about breaking them to the IU AD. There was zero chance MU was going to hire him.
Agree with all this. Marquette wasn’t hiring him, so it’s a non-starter. Houston was a perfect spot for him. Starts over in a low pressure environment with little expectations
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The same nonsense that is no longer a violation.
It isn't, but that isn't what got Sampson canned. It was finding impermissible ways around his restrictions and lying about it.
Plus, the program atmosphere Sampson left was a crapshow. Ignoring multiple positive drug tests (11 or 13 guys tested positive at least one time during the season), academic disasters. There is NO WAY MU was going to hire someone like that. All they would have to do is reach out to TC to learn how the program he inherited had been run.
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It isn't, but that isn't what got Sampson canned. It was finding impermissible ways around his restrictions and lying about it.
Plus, the program atmosphere Sampson left was a crapshow. Ignoring multiple positive drug tests (11 or 13 guys tested positive at least one time during the season), academic disasters. There is NO WAY MU was going to hire someone like that. All they would have to do is reach out to TC to learn how the program he inherited had been run.
Yep - I think Crean kicked off almost all returning players his first year? They won like 7 games his first year because they barely had anyone left.
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Yep - I think Crean kicked off almost all returning players his first year? They won like 7 games his first year because they barely had anyone left.
Only one player who returned to TC's first team had actually scored for IU: a walk-on. The only guys who didn't have a positive test were DJ White and Eric Gordon, the guys who knew they were NBA bound the next season.
There was also the potted plant incident after TC caught the kid lying.
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Yep - I think Crean kicked off almost all returning players his first year? They won like 7 games his first year because they barely had anyone left.
Let's not forget the potted plant incident.
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And 6 years later, it seems Sampson isn't really having any issues. Maybe they should've talked to him to see where he was at after his show cause rather than not even considering the best hire of the year.
I'm not surprised MU didn't call Sampson, but it's painfully obvious they should have and hiring him would've been an infinitely better one than the decision they made.
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And 6 years later, it seems Sampson isn't really having any issues. Maybe they should've talked to him to see where he was at after his show cause rather than not even considering the best hire of the year.
I'm not surprised MU didn't call Sampson, but it's painfully obvious they should have and hiring him would've been an infinitely better one than the decision they made.
They won the press conference though. They got the guy with a gelled side part & a CFO's monotone speech pattern. Wonderful representative for the University, which is really all that matters.
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And 6 years later, it seems Sampson isn't really having any issues. Maybe they should've talked to him to see where he was at after his show cause rather than not even considering the best hire of the year.
I'm not surprised MU didn't call Sampson, but it's painfully obvious they should have and hiring him would've been an infinitely better one than the decision they made.
Hey google "define hindsight"
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Hey google "define hindsight"
It's a lesson that should be learned when next we go into the coaching market.
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So I was scrolling through Buckyville to see what they were saying about Wojo. One poster on there said he has a couple friends on the Marquette BOT, and mentioned that he’d heard Wojo’s buyout, were he to be fired this year, would be $9.3 million. The thing is, he said it matter-of-factly, didn’t sound like he was trolling or hating on MU or anything.
For those in the know, could that be close to accurate? If so, that is an *insane* number.
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So I was scrolling through Buckyville to see what they were saying about Wojo. One poster on there said he has a couple friends on the Marquette BOT, and mentioned that he’d heard Wojo’s buyout, were he to be fired this year, would be $9.3 million. The thing is, he said it matter-of-factly, didn’t sound like he was trolling or hating on MU or anything.
For those in the know, could that be close to accurate? If so, that is an *insane* number.
Gosh I hope not. Three years left on his 2 mil/year deal would mean it’s probably around 6ish. No inside info, but if it’s around 9 million, everyone involved with that contract needs to be let go yesterday.
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So I was scrolling through Buckyville to see what they were saying about Wojo. One poster on there said he has a couple friends on the Marquette BOT, and mentioned that he’d heard Wojo’s buyout, were he to be fired this year, would be $9.3 million. The thing is, he said it matter-of-factly, didn’t sound like he was trolling or hating on MU or anything.
For those in the know, could that be close to accurate? If so, that is an *insane* number.
I heard from a friend who saw both Scholl AND Broeker passed out at Baskin Robins last night that the buyout was $9.3M. So yeah, I guess it's pretty serious.
*same credibility*
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It all depends on how they value the program and it's role at the university. Some posters believe they are 100% committed to have a top tier program, I am not one of those posters.
Hmmm. For many years Marquette has spent big money, as much as second most, isn't that proof they want dps a top tier team? I believe they do, but haven't gotten it out of Wojo and company.