1. I can't wait until Garcia gets some time in the weight room.
2. So many lay ups missed early. And late.
3. Robinson-Earl, man. But if it isn't him, it is somebody else.
4. Nova's ball movement is beautiful. Dribbling, dishing, next pass, open look. Lather, rinse, repeat.
5. Predictable. Short bench. Can't defend Villanova's motion. Stayed with them for a while. A couple of turnovers and dumb plays and the avalanche began. And with Nova, once it starts, it isn't stopping.
6. Lack of talent onMU
7. One lazy pass after another
8. Horrible coach.
There's literally nothing else to say. These guys are checked out.
Wojo will be gone. Hopefully the players stay because there is talent, just zero coaching.
Jesus where to start.
When you have a starter foul out, another with 7 turnovers, and still have 0 bench points something is horribly wrong.
Its time to reboot.
It literally looks like s pro team vs a college team.
Rock bottom.
Ball movement, just like Creighton. MU has no ball movement, just dribble around the key and hand off. Every game.
Carton too many soft passes, heck, he even passed to himself. 6 turnovers so far. One day he will put together a complete game.
Bench. Dex, Perez, Sy and Elliott. No made field goals, zero points and four turnovers. The future guards for next year.
Nova needs to pay Marquette. We didn't play any better than any potential buy game.
Can't wait for the next DePaul loss
Quote from: Bad_Reporter on February 10, 2021, 09:59:22 PM
Wojo will be gone. Hopefully the players stay because there is talent, just zero coaching.
Three legitimate players. Jury is out in Perez and Oso. The rest are not Big East quality. Next years class may be legit. We just don't know. Need impact transfers in and weak transfers out.
Marquette just has no identity in any facet of the game. Period.
Quote from: nyg on February 10, 2021, 10:03:52 PM
Ball movement, just like Creighton. MU has no ball movement, just dribble around the key and hand off. Every game.
Carton too many soft passes, heck, he even passed to himself. 6 turnovers so far. One day he will put together a complete game.
Bench. Dex, Perez, Sy and Elliott. One made field goals, three points and five turnovers. The future guards for next year.
Welp, Nova is a fine tuned Italian sportscar, they are an absolute machine and laid the wood. MU got it down to 9, and Nova went on something like a 20-4 run.
Feels like the guys legit bust their butts and give effort, but the lack of depth and talent is just obnoxious.
Just think, wojo stole $77,000 for that performance.
Perez hit a three, Elliott, Dex and Symr are not Big East players, need to move on, not one of those 4 players is tough, all soft, Elliott maybe the softest guard I have seen all year.
Quote from: nyg on February 10, 2021, 10:03:52 PM
Bench. Dex, Perez, Sy and Elliott. No made field goals, zero points and four turnovers. The future guards for next year.
Throw Osa in there and that is ~65% of our returning players for next year. Let that sink in for a minute.
Did people really expect a win tonight? Shheeesh.
Quote from: MU24 on February 10, 2021, 10:08:37 PM
Did people really expect a win tonight? Shheeesh.
Sure but a lost by 32? Wait I guess I expected that too lol.
Quote from: MU24 on February 10, 2021, 10:08:37 PM
Did people really expect a win tonight? Shheeesh.
A win? No. A 32 point ass kicking? I think we could've done a little better than that.
Woj is Steve Yoder
Jay Wright is Bobby Knight
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 10, 2021, 10:08:22 PM
Throw Osa in there and that is ~65% of our returning players for next year. Let that sink in for a minute.
Oh, it has sunk in. Two of them have to replace Koby and Cain. Just think about that.
Have expectations truly devolved to the point where it's unfair to expect us to not get the doors blown off against Villanova in a head to head matchup?
What a culture we've created over the last 7 years. Win every day, right?
Perez is not a BE-caliber player
Quote from: Afroman on February 10, 2021, 10:10:33 PM
Woj is Steve Yoder
Jay Wright is Bobby Knight
If you're going to use UW analogies, we need our Brad Soderberg.
Heck, he'd probably be a better permanent coach than Wojo.
Quote from: Boone on February 10, 2021, 10:14:29 PM
Perez is not a BE-caliber player
Just a completely bizarre situation. Quits Gardner Webb half way through the year with no explanation, transfers to Marquette and is probably the only transfer in the country who said "no thanks, I'd rather sit" rather than a free year of play. Only playing now because he's been forced into action.
Quote from: panda on February 10, 2021, 10:16:16 PM
Just a completely bizarre situation. Quits Gardner Webb half way through the year with no explanation, transfers to Marquette and is probably the only transfer in the country who said "no thanks, I'd rather sit" rather than a free year of play. Only playing now because he's been forced into action.
Must have had Covid. I think we need to give him a chance.
We remain projected to lose out (maybe favored to beat DePaul). Team continues to play and perform like a JV team with three seniors in John, Cain and Elliott, and underclassmen that are completely and totally overmatched (Torrence, Akanno, Perez).
I remain convinced Wojo is not our coach next season (unless MU wants an empty Fiserv next year, or the crowd booing the home team or cheering the road team).
Theo gets a weak flagrant foul call and crickets from Wojo. Nova gets called for a blocking call 1 minute later and Wright is working the ref over even with a comfortable double digit lead. Way to go Wojo.
Quote from: mufanatic on February 10, 2021, 10:21:22 PM
Theo gets a weak flagrant foul call and crickets from Wojo. Nova gets called for a blocking call 1 minute later and Wright is working the ref over even with a comfortable double digit lead. Way to go Wojo.
Agreed
Wish I was as understanding, but there's been nothing to suggest he had covid. He's got a bad game and an even worse body
Quote from: tower912 on February 10, 2021, 09:51:35 PM
1. I can't wait until Garcia gets some time in the weight room.
for Minnesota
If the reason for keeping Wojo is retention of players, I don't see that argument being helpful. Lewis and Dawson are good, and DJ can be helpful, but the rest are not BE players. Worst case scenario is those guys flee and we're still stuck with Wojo. At least with Deane you felt like you had a puncher's chance of beating good teams.
Quote from: Boone on February 10, 2021, 10:23:27 PM
Wish I was as understanding, but there's been nothing to suggest he had covid. He's got a bad game and an even worse body
The thing is he looks infinitely more comfortable on a basketball court than the entire bench besides Lewis obviously. He spaces the floor well, moves well without the ball, and plays good team defense. I agree he is not athletic and may still not be in shape. I'm hearing Covid from my contacts, which is probably worth nothing for what it's worth.
Quote from: panda on February 10, 2021, 10:02:39 PM
Rock bottom.
You underestimate Wojo's incompetence. Plenty of games left to sink lower than tonight.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on February 10, 2021, 10:30:11 PM
You underestimate Wojo's incompetence. Plenty of games left to sink lower than tonight.
Depaul is still on the schedule :-/
Worst defensive performance of KenPom era for MU. Wild.
I could see a player or two leaving the team before the season ends.
Sounds like it's time to get a DraftKings account to start making some money off this dumpster fire.
I am enervated - not at all surprised. The yawning chasm between these teams is astounding.
Often, you see one team better than another and you say if they played 10 times, one would win 8 or 9. If these two teams played 100 games, I don't see how one of them could win even one.
It is an embarrassment. If Scoopers ruled the world, Wojo would already be gone. The problem is that the board, the president, probably the AD, and the vast majority of alumni don't care even a fraction of what we do about MU hoops. The end result of that is, guess what? No end in sight to our long national nightmare.
Tower, do you honestly believe there is any chance that Wojo can still be the long term solution at Marquette? Yes or no.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on February 10, 2021, 10:11:31 PM
Have expectations truly devolved to the point where it's unfair to expect us to not get the doors blown off against Villanova in a head to head matchup?
What a culture we've created over the last 7 years. Win every day, right?
The new quote is "Win Some Day" :-\
Honestly hoping there's no Big East Tournament this year. The conference sucks and we suck. Take this season out back and shoot it.
Quote from: WarriorFan on February 10, 2021, 10:15:03 PM
If you're going to use UW analogies, we need our Brad Soderberg.
Heck, he'd probably be a better permanent coach than Wojo.
Yoder coached forever and lost without consequence. Steve = Steve.
I knew it was over when Wojo hit the surrender cobra on the shot just before the half.
Does anyone have the points off of turns stat tonight. I'm guessing Nova had over 24.
It just seems like we are trying to make basketball more difficult than it really is.
Jay Wright thinks Marquette is well coached...
https://twitter.com/vucoachjwright/status/1359728169209757696?s=21
Quote from: ski44 on February 10, 2021, 11:48:26 PM
Jay Wright thinks Marquette is well coached...
https://twitter.com/vucoachjwright/status/1359728169209757696?s=21
Because Jay Wright is a class act. Always.
Quote from: ski44 on February 10, 2021, 11:48:26 PM
Jay Wright thinks Marquette is well coached...
https://twitter.com/vucoachjwright/status/1359728169209757696?s=21
This is something Wojo's supporters would've pointed out in earnest in previous seasons. Wright would love for Wojo to stick around. It's one less program for him to have to worry about competing against.
lol what a Patronizing tweet
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on February 10, 2021, 10:20:34 PM
We remain projected to lose out (maybe favored to beat DePaul). Team continues to play and perform like a JV team with three seniors in John, Cain and Elliott, and underclassmen that are completely and totally overmatched (Torrence, Akanno, Perez).
KenPom projects us to go 2-3 the rest of the way. 1-4 if you go by individual games but that's not how projections work.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 11, 2021, 12:05:16 AM
KenPom projects us to go 2-3 the rest of the way. 1-4 if you go by individual games but that's not how projections work.
So, a while back you said if we lost three more games, you'd be on the "fire Wojo" train. Well, we've lost three games since then. Do you think he needs to go.
Honestly, what I saw was us playing them close to even for 28ish minutes. The difference in the game at that point was a stupid technical on Koby and a bad flagrant on Theo. Then JRE caught fire, pushed the lead from 9 to 16 in 90 seconds, and the team just broke mentally while Nova's confidence swelled.
Dawson was amazing tonight. Loved that he shook off the early stuff and kept attacking all night. We got to see aggressive DJ for most of the game but he unfortunately coupled that with lazy pass DJ.
Elliott can't physically cut it anymore. He couldn't stay in front of Cole Swider and he's about the slowest guy in the Big East. If he can't hit the corner three, he doesn't bring any value. I would give all of his minutes to Dexter/Jose. They are the future, Elliott is not.
Tonight sucked. First time I felt like the team actually gave up (despite that claim being made here repeatedly in the past). Only way to salvage this season is to either win out the regular season or win the BET. I have less than zero faith that will happen.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on February 11, 2021, 12:16:00 AM
So, a while back you said if we lost three more games, you'd be on the "fire Wojo" train. Well, we've lost three games since then. Do you think he needs to go.
I believe you are off by a game. I think it was four more games and we have lost three. It's all about earning an at large to the tournament. It can still happen if we win out. As I mention above, I don't see that happening.
Quote from: cheese ball chaser on February 10, 2021, 09:58:23 PM
These guys are checked out.
I have seen no signs of this at all. When we cut it to 9 with 11 minutes to go, the guys were still vocal, still had bounce, were still encouraging each other.
Our guys then played like crap while Nova showed how much better they are, and the rout was on, but that's not the same as "checking out."
As I've said in the past, I don't think college basketball players deserve extra gold stars for not checking out. I'd be disappointed if they did check out. But I wish folks would stop saying stuff like this when, by every appearance, the exact opposite is true.
We have been blown out twice all season, both by Nova. Every other game has been close. No gold stars for that, either, but over and over and over again, we haven't "checked out."
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 11, 2021, 12:24:37 AM
I believe you are off by a game. I think it was four more games and we have lost three.
In the words of Ignatius J. Reilly, "Oh, my God."
Quote from: MU82 on February 11, 2021, 12:25:29 AM
We have been blown out twice all season, both by Nova. Every other game has been close. No gold stars for that, either, but over and over and over again, we haven't "checked out."
Nor has Wojo "lost the team". More accurately Wojo's current team has lost more games that we think they should have.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 11, 2021, 12:22:12 AM
I would give all of his minutes to Dexter/Jose. They are the future
Do you really believe this is true?
I was curious about what changed when Nova went on their run to turn this into a laugher. A theme continued from this season with unguarded threes. In the first 28.75 minutes, we only gave up 3 unguarded threes (not bad against a team like Nova) which Nova went 2/3 on (one of which was on an offensive rebound that went straight to Gillespie who kicked to an open Daniels). In the following 8 minutes, we gave up double that amount and Nova went 5/6. I don't know if it's fatigue, change in strategy, or after the first couple the team just buckled. Either way, both going 6/13 on guarded threes and 7/9 on unguarded threes is absurd, especially when 5 of those 7 are from a 27% 3P shooter. Nova is ridiculous.
Prior to 2H 11:11 mark:
Samuels: 1/1 (G) 0/1 (U)
Gillespie: 1/2 (G)
Daniels: 0/1 (G) 1/1 (U)
JRE: 1/1 (U)
Moore: 2/4 (G)
Totals: 4/8 (G) 2/3 (U)
2H 11:11 to 2:51 mark:
JRE: 4/4 (U)
Gillespie: 0/1 (G) 1/1 (U)
Daniels: 1/1 (G) 0/1 (U)
Slater: 1/1 (G)
Swider: 0/1 (G)
Moore: 0/1 (G)
Totals: 2/5 (G) 5/6 (U)
Game Totals: 6/13 (G) 7/9 (U)
Quote from: ski44 on February 10, 2021, 11:48:26 PM
Jay Wright thinks Marquette is well coached...
https://twitter.com/vucoachjwright/status/1359728169209757696?s=21
Chicos?
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on February 10, 2021, 10:32:26 PM
Worst defensive performance of KenPom era for MU. Wild.
Wojo says 75% of practice time has been spent on defense.
And the defense is worst in the BEAST.
The more a bad coach focuses on something, the worse the team gets.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 11, 2021, 01:12:27 AM
Over Elliott? Yes.
There's probably a better chance of Elliott being on the team next year than either Akanno or Perez. Perez is gonna get Buzz cut, hey?
Quote from: goldeneagle91114 on February 10, 2021, 10:05:39 PM
Nova needs to pay Marquette. We didn't play any better than any potential buy game.
This was exactly what I was thinking. We were the Nova buy game opponent.
Quote from: The Lens on February 10, 2021, 11:24:09 PM
Yoder coached forever and lost without consequence. Steve = Steve.
once Pat Richter took over as AD at UW, an all-hands-on-deck effort was made to elevate the sports program (basketball and football). Salary. Facilities. Recruiting budgets. Barry 'crook' Alvarez has been effective as AD and results speak for themselves. Wojo is probably making close to $1M more than Greg Gard and compare results. btw, Soderberg might be available...although an asst at UVA might be preferable to MU HC. 😀
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 11, 2021, 01:10:39 AM
I was curious about what changed when Nova went on their run to turn this into a laugher. A theme continued from this season with unguarded threes. In the first 28.75 minutes, we only gave up 3 unguarded threes (not bad against a team like Nova) which Nova went 2/3 on (one of which was on an offensive rebound that went straight to Gillespie who kicked to an open Daniels). In the following 8 minutes, we gave up double that amount and Nova went 5/6. I don't know if it's fatigue, change in strategy, or after the first couple the team just buckled. Either way, both going 6/13 on guarded threes and 7/9 on unguarded threes is absurd, especially when 5 of those 7 are from a 27% 3P shooter. Nova is ridiculous.
Prior to 2H 11:11 mark:
Samuels: 1/1 (G) 0/1 (U)
Gillespie: 1/2 (G)
Daniels: 0/1 (G) 1/1 (U)
JRE: 1/1 (U)
Moore: 2/4 (G)
Totals: 4/8 (G) 2/3 (U)
2H 11:11 to 2:51 mark:
JRE: 4/4 (U)
Gillespie: 0/1 (G) 1/1 (U)
Daniels: 1/1 (G) 0/1 (U)
Slater: 1/1 (G)
Swider: 0/1 (G)
Moore: 0/1 (G)
Totals: 2/5 (G) 5/6 (U)
Game Totals: 6/13 (G) 7/9 (U)
You over analyze things. That's how basketball is, teams go on runs. The only stat you need to look at is the final score.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 11, 2021, 01:10:39 AM
I was curious about what changed when Nova went on their run to turn this into a laugher. A theme continued from this season with unguarded threes. In the first 28.75 minutes, we only gave up 3 unguarded threes (not bad against a team like Nova) which Nova went 2/3 on (one of which was on an offensive rebound that went straight to Gillespie who kicked to an open Daniels). In the following 8 minutes, we gave up double that amount and Nova went 5/6. I don't know if it's fatigue, change in strategy, or after the first couple the team just buckled. Either way, both going 6/13 on guarded threes and 7/9 on unguarded threes is absurd, especially when 5 of those 7 are from a 27% 3P shooter. Nova is ridiculous.
I dunno how closely you're following the Bucks this season, but this is the same complaint people have about the Bucks' defense. Bud's gameplan is to pack the paint and give up lots of threes (but no twos). Some days it works. Some days it does not. The problem for the Bucks is that the NBA is getting much better at the 3-ball, so the strategy does not work as well as it once did. The same is probably true for Marquette in general, but giving up threes to prevent twos is NEVER going to work against Nova.
I went to bed at halftime. Looks like that was a good decision.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 11, 2021, 12:24:37 AM
I believe you are off by a game. I think it was four more games and we have lost three. It's all about earning an at large to the tournament. It can still happen if we win out. As I mention above, I don't see that happening.
You said three after the Providence game. We had this talk before our last loss where I said "my bad you did say three but it was after the Providence game not before" then I found this quote where is says three.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on January 27, 2021, 10:50:09 PM
If the season wasn't in such a desperate state, this one wouldn't have bothered me much. Since that's not where we are...3 more regular season losses and im ready for Wojo to be gone
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 11, 2021, 08:18:31 AM
You said three after the Providence game. We had this talk before our last loss where I said "my bad you did say three but it was after the Providence game not before" then I found this quote where is says three.
Thank you, that's what I thought as well. There's this great book by Charles Jackson called "The Lost Weekend" where the main character describes his alcoholism by saying, "One is too many and a hundred's not enough." I think you could sort of rework that quote to describe how many more losses TAMU needs to see before he wants Wojo fired: "One isn't enough and neither is 100."
Quote from: ski44 on February 10, 2021, 11:48:26 PM
Jay Wright thinks Marquette is well coached...
https://twitter.com/vucoachjwright/status/1359728169209757696?s=21
Jay Wright says something positive about every coach and team they play, after every game, win or lose.
Quote from: shoothoops on February 11, 2021, 08:37:44 AM
Jay Wright says something positive about every coach and team they play, after every game, win or lose.
He's been the one constant since the new Big East formed and has pretty much single-handedly kept the conference afloat this year.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on February 11, 2021, 05:21:18 AM
Perez is gonna get Buzz cut, hey?
You "cut" a player when you need his scholarship. Are you foreseeing a bunch of recruits suddenly storming our gates, so many that we need to cut those who have been promised scholarships?
Watt wee kneed iz an insurrection at Zilber, aina?
Most discouraging thing to me in last night's loss were how many poor, lazy passes we threw on the perimeter.
It's one thing to commit a turnover while trying to make a perfect pass for a dunk, or trying to drive to the hoop. Those often are forgivable.
But to be 30-35 feet away from the basket and to throw a soft, telegraphed pass that is easily stolen and often converted into an easy hoop ... that sucks. And to do it again and again and again and again -- not just in this game or this season, but for years -- it REALLY sucks, and it speaks very poorly of the coach (and some of the players).
Sometimes it isn't just the passer, either. It is the intended recipient just standing 30 feet away from the hoop with his hand up. He makes himself a poor target, doesn't battle for position, doesn't step to the ball. When I was an assistant HS coach, our head coach was constantly demanding: "Step to the ball!" If you didn't step to the ball for a pass in practice, the entire team had to run. In games, we rarely failed to step to the ball.
So either Wojo is not emphasizing these kinds of basic fundamentals in practice, or his players are incapable of following the most basic of basketball tenets. Frankly, I find the latter hard to believe.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 10, 2021, 11:39:36 PM
Does anyone have the points off of turns stat tonight. I'm guessing Nova had over 24.
Villanova scored 30 points on Warrior turnovers. As noted before, a good coach teaches first and then coaches. An indication a coach is not teaching is the coach's team have the same shortcoming year to year, team to team - as in, turnovers. Wojo is not teaching.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on February 11, 2021, 08:18:31 AM
You said three after the Providence game. We had this talk before our last loss where I said "my bad you did say three but it was after the Providence game not before" then I found this quote where is says three.
I also said this:
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 02, 2021, 10:16:40 AM
It wasn't two games ago, it was last game. Or if it was two games ago it was four more regular season losses. That's changed a little with the Nova game because that changes the math required to make the tournament. And there's a difference for me between deciding that I don't think he's the guy and expecting the university to fire him despite the pandemic.
It's always been about whether or not we make the tournament (I have zero expectation that we do). Adding a Q1A game like at Nova changed the math.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on February 11, 2021, 08:23:31 AM
Thank you, that's what I thought as well. There's this great book by Charles Jackson called "The Lost Weekend" where the main character describes his alcoholism by saying, "One is too many and a hundred's not enough." I think you could sort of rework that quote to describe how many more losses TAMU needs to see before he wants Wojo fired: "One isn't enough and neither is 100."
Nope, one more will be sufficient...unless we make up the two open games on our schedule.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 11, 2021, 09:52:47 AM
I also said this:
It's always been about whether or not we make the tournament (I have zero expectation that we do). Adding a Q1A game like at Nova changed the math.
Nope, one more will be sufficient...unless we make up the two open games on our schedule.
I'll start reading a little closer next time rather than skimming.
Quote from: UticaBusBarn on February 11, 2021, 09:37:29 AM
Villanova scored 30 points on Warrior turnovers. As noted before, a good coach teaches first and then coaches. An indication a coach is not teaching is the coach's team have the same shortcoming year to year, team to team - as in, turnovers. Wojo is not teaching.
Very reasonable point.
Quote from: UticaBusBarn on February 11, 2021, 09:37:29 AM
Villanova scored 30 points on Warrior turnovers. As noted before, a good coach teaches first and then coaches. An indication a coach is not teaching is the coach's team have the same shortcoming year to year, team to team - as in, turnovers. Wojo is not teaching.
Part of this is player development.
Part of this is recruiting.
Part of this is scheme.
All of it falls under the Head Coach's ultimate responsibilities for a program.