Friared into the sun

[brewcity77]

No tower, so here's my thoughts...

• I believe Sultan mentioned the story of his son asking "why do you watch this s**t" about the MU/DePaul game. That's how I felt watching two teams combine for 22 points in the first 12 minutes. Bad basketball on both sides.
  
• Lost the turnover battle 15-8, lost offensive rebounds 12-3, and that's the game. Can't give the opponent that many more times to score.
  
• I'm ready to say the loss of Stan was bigger than we realized. Has anyone else noticed that instead of running plays in ATO & BOOB situations, we just bomb passes to midcourt?
  
• What did Akanno do to get those early minutes ahead of Greg?
  
• The staff doesn't understand modern basketball, part one: Torrence taking a 3 with 20 seconds in the half, guaranteeing PC got another full possession. They didn't score, but that was really stupid basketball. The team needs to understand time and situation better than that.
  
• Garcia has 7 made shots & 9 turnovers in the past 3 games.
  
• Second half defense was good. Offense was good once it adjusted to the zone.
  
• Would be nice if Carton could play 40 minutes. He has phenomenal stretches, but equally frustrating stretches in the same game.
  
• Just had nothing left in overtime.
  
• The staff doesn't understand modern basketball, part two: Why on Earth are we fouling down 7 with 10 seconds left? Two more points, hurts our efficiency metrics, NET, kenpom, stupidity like that makes it more difficult to get to the tournament.
  
• I still love this team. I still watch them and cheer for them. But man, that was not fun to watch.

[CTWarrior]

No tower, so here's my thoughts...

• I believe Sultan mentioned the story of his son asking "why do you watch this s**t" about the MU/DePaul game. That's how I felt watching two teams combine for 22 points in the first 12 minutes. Bad basketball on both sides.
  
• Lost the turnover battle 15-8, lost offensive rebounds 12-3, and that's the game. Can't give the opponent that many more times to score.
  
• I'm ready to say the loss of Stan was bigger than we realized. Has anyone else noticed that instead of running plays in ATO & BOOB situations, we just bomb passes to midcourt?
  
• What did Akanno do to get those early minutes ahead of Greg?
  
• The staff doesn't understand modern basketball, part one: Torrence taking a 3 with 20 seconds in the half, guaranteeing PC got another full possession. They didn't score, but that was really stupid basketball. The team needs to understand time and situation better than that.
  
• Garcia has 7 made shots & 9 turnovers in the past 3 games.
  
• Second half defense was good. Offense was good once it adjusted to the zone.
  
• Would be nice if Carton could play 40 minutes. He has phenomenal stretches, but equally frustrating stretches in the same game.
  
• Just had nothing left in overtime.
  
• The staff doesn't understand modern basketball, part two: Why on Earth are we fouling down 7 with 10 seconds left? Two more points, hurts our efficiency metrics, NET, kenpom, stupidity like that makes it more difficult to get to the tournament.
  
• I still love this team. I still watch them and cheer for them. But man, that was not fun to watch.

The first half was beyond brutal, but I thought we played well in the second half.  Big missed FTs by DJ and Garcia, and that last possession in regulation was brutal.  We need a PG and a real post scorer in the worst way.

[MuggsyB]

The first half was beyond brutal, but I thought we played well in the second half.  Big missed FTs by DJ and Garcia, and that last possession in regulation was brutal.  We need a PG and a real post scorer in the worst way.

Your thoughts on the last possession before overtime? 

[cheebs09]

Wojo said Dexter got in early because he had a good week of practice and wanted to reward him for that.

[CTWarrior]

Your thoughts on the last possession before overtime?

I believe I described it a brutal.  Koby slipped and all, but the play was blown up and we weren't getting anything but a prayer at that point anyway.

[MuggsyB]

I believe I described it a brutal.  Koby slipped and all, but the play was blown up and we weren't getting anything but a prayer at that point anyway.

We had the ball with 29 secs in a tie game and got that shot?  Abysmal execution and coaching.  DJ didn't look to attack until 8 secs?  Can't happen.

[dgies9156]

• The staff doesn't understand modern basketball, part two: Why on Earth are we fouling down 7 with 10 seconds left? Two more points, hurts our efficiency metrics, NET, kenpom, stupidity like that makes it more difficult to get to the tournament.
  

It's quaint you still think this matters.

It doesn't.

[brewcity77]

It's quaint you still think this matters.

It doesn't.

It's amusing that anyone doesn't realize it absolutely does.

[BM1090]

We had the ball with 29 secs in a tie game and got that shot?  Abysmal execution and coaching.  DJ didn't look to attack until 8 secs?  Can't happen.

8 seconds is typical for any team in a tie game.

The play and/or execution was awful.

[jesmu84]

It's amusing that anyone doesn't realize it absolutely does.

I'll assume dgies was saying it doesn't matter to us this season cause we aren't gonna make the tourney regardless

[brewcity77]

I'll assume dgies was saying it doesn't matter to us this season cause we aren't gonna make the tourney regardless

It wasn't about this season. It's about the staff and not understanding the modern game. It's been a problem for years. This staff clearly doesn't understand the metrics that determine their ability to succeed.

[We R Final Four]

No tower, so here's my thoughts...

• I believe Sultan mentioned the story of his son
  

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[TAMU, Knower of Ball]

Thought we played well overall. Defense was solid throughout. Offense took too long to adjust but once it did it was clinical.  Difference in regulation was providence getting to the double bonus before MU got to 5 fouls.

With 15 seconds left, I'm a fan of not calling a timeout. With 27 seconds left,  Id call a timeout. Mistake on Wojos part.

Agree with brew that staff needs to call off the dogs off earlier. Computer numbers are important.

If the season wasn't in such a desperate state,  this one wouldn't have bothered me much.  Since that's not where we are...3 more regular season losses and im ready for Wojo to be gone

[brewcity77]

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Might've been somewhere else, but that was pretty much the story. Watching the DePaul game, got up and walked out, saying "I don't know why you watch this s**t" because it simply isn't very entertaining basketball.

[We R Final Four]

*] I'm ready to say the loss of Stan was bigger than we realized. Has anyone else noticed that instead of running plays in ATO & BOOB situations, we just bomb passes to midcourt?

I've been bitching about this 4th grade girls base line OOB Plays all year. Not only do we not score.......we turn the ball over....on our inbound play.
Two things about that.....Wojo and his team seem to accept that as part of the game. In the last two games we have seen JL and DG foul...yes FUCKING foul on OUR inbound play. We didn't score. We didn't get fouled. We fouled. And you know what? It. Happened. The. Very. Next. Game.
As a coach of 4th grade girls....we change things out. But, for some reason Wojo doesn't. Hard to cheer for that.

[brewcity77]

I've been bitching about this 4th grade girls base line OOB Plays all year. Not only do we not score.......we turn the ball over....on our inbound play.
Two things about that.....Wojo and his team seem to accept that as part of the game. In the last two games we have seen JL and DG foul...yes unnatural carnal knowledgeING foul on OUR inbound play. We didn't score. We didn't get fouled. We fouled. And you know what? It. Happened. The. Very. Next. Game.
As a coach of 4th grade girls....we change things out. But, for some reason Wojo doesn't. Hard to cheer for that.

Yeah, I feel like we have gone from a very good ATO/BOOB team to a terrible one. Maybe it's Howard, but maybe it's Stan. After all, LMU is much better at ATO situations this year.

[Spaniel with a Short Tail]

I liked aggressive and involved DJ. Wojo needs to turn him loose the rest of the way, offensively and defensively.

[We R Final Four]

Yeah, I feel like we have gone from a very good ATO/BOOB team to a terrible one. Maybe it's Howard, but maybe it's Stan. After all, LMU is much better at ATO situations this year.

Our only OOB of success is the "catch them napping" lob to Jamal. Wojo will keep trying it...but those days are over.
I predicted tonight that you will see oppositingvteams go after the "safety" pass deep into the backcourt. Guess what....not a steal but a deflection.
Imagine telling DJ(2 TOS on OOB btw)if there is nothing there throw it 60 feet and hope that works.

[CTWarrior]

It wasn't about this season. It's about the staff and not understanding the modern game. It's been a problem for years. This staff clearly doesn't understand the metrics that determine their ability to succeed.

I could have sworn the announcer mentioning that Wojo was calling for no fouls and was surprised that we fouled anyway.  I may have misinterpreted.

[The Sultan]

Scoop

I liked aggressive and involved DJ. Wojo needs to turn him loose the rest of the way, offensively and defensively.

Also Scoop: "Our offense sucks because we play hero ball too much."

[shoothoops]

I believe some people, sometimes, don't understand how it often works with good, solid, Freshman players.

Let's take Garcia and Lewis. They are good recruits, they are playing often, showing flashes, ups and downs typical of Freshman etc...getting better steadily for future seasons, sometimes hitting Freshman challenges.

What this means is you need to have other more experienced players as some of your main sources of production. This is where MU has challenges with roster construction. It also often times can take bigs longer to develop. String together multiple balanced classes in recruiting. Greg's injuries were unfortunate as he would otherwise be that type of player. But we've known a long time that will able to contribute off of the bench for periods, Greg is limited with his injuries.

My focus is often on the more experienced players. Where are the go to veteran players on the team?

From just a basketball point of view, MU doesn't have the handles to pound the dribble to not play without spacing, ball movement, and moving without the ball, making the extra pass.

Last night, Theo was a physical mismatch on offense, and the ball often went through him. However, he doesn't have the polished offensive skills to successfully do that for more than part of a game.

[cheebs09]

I believe some people, sometimes, don't understand how it often works with good, solid, Freshman players.

Let's take Garcia and Lewis. They are good recruits, they are playing often, showing flashes, ups and downs typical of Freshman etc...getting better steadily for future seasons, sometimes hitting Freshman challenges.

What this means is you need to have other more experienced players as some of your main sources of production. This is where MU has challenges with roster construction. It also often times can take bigs longer to develop. String together multiple balanced classes in recruiting. Greg's injuries were unfortunate as he would otherwise be that type of player. But we've known a long time that will able to contribute off of the bench for periods, Greg is limited with his injuries.

My focus is often on the more experienced players. Where are the go to veteran players on the team?

From just a basketball point of view, MU doesn't have the handles to pound the dribble to not play without spacing, ball movement, and moving without the ball, making the extra pass.

Last night, Theo was a physical mismatch on offense, and the ball often went through him. However, he doesn't have the polished offensive skills to successfully do that for more than part of a game.

And that's where I lose hope with Wojo. We aren't improving as the year goes on, and the upperclassmen are still making the same mistakes.

The number of times we travel before dribbling is infuriating. I think Koby does it at least once a game, and could probably be called for more. Theo gets the same fouls and always looks stunned. The goaltend last gamewas kind of my breaking point as we've lost a number of points due to goaltending shots that have no chance of going in.

It's not just the inconsistency of young players that we are seeing, but still the same mistakes from experienced players that doesn't seem to change. At some point, that's a coaching fail.

[The Sultan]

And that's where I lose hope with Wojo. We aren't improving as the year goes on, and the upperclassmen are still making the same mistakes.

The number of times we travel before dribbling is infuriating. I think Koby does it at least once a game, and could probably be called for more. Theo gets the same fouls and always looks stunned. The goaltend last gamewas kind of my breaking point as we've lost a number of points due to goaltending shots that have no chance of going in.

It's not just the inconsistency of young players that we are seeing, but still the same mistakes from experienced players that doesn't seem to change. At some point, that's a coaching fail.

I can put up with rebuilding years if I had faith in the coach doing the rebuilding. 

[shoothoops]

And when one looks at roster construction for next year, MU looks thin at the 2 and 3 for both immediate production and depth.

[Mr. Nielsen]

I could have sworn the announcer mentioning that Wojo was calling for no fouls and was surprised that we fouled anyway.  I may have misinterpreted.

You heard correct. Andrew Catalon (CBSSN) said that.