Promote him to some new made up position, "senior BB VP " and make Wojo report to him.
Probably won't make a lick of difference but what is there to lose. He might go Gard and right the ship. Probably only chance of keeping Garcia and Lewis - probably Carton too if he thinks he could get another waiver (I suspect NCAA will be pretty liberal with them).
If Wojo has a shred of dignity or professionalism he'll resign. If not, keep him on staff and let him be the world's highest paid ball boy for another two years.
No one can possibly think Wojo is the long term answer at MU anymore. Let's get creative and move on.
Quote from: 1SE on January 31, 2021, 05:00:28 PMProbably only chance of keeping Garcia and Lewis - probably Carton too if he thinks he could get another waiver (I suspect NCAA will be pretty liberal with them).
If Wojo is going to go, then let the roster go along with him. It will be a rebuild that goes as far as the new coach can take it. No use trying to figure out how to save the team of the guy that we don't want anyway. Let the new coach figure that out.
What about Jamie McNeily???
Killings?
He's worse than Steve in every way.
Quote from: Bad_Reporter on January 31, 2021, 05:03:40 PM
Killings?
He's worse than Steve in every way.
Seriously wtf??
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 31, 2021, 05:02:12 PM
If Wojo is going to go, then let the roster go along with him. It will be a rebuild that goes as far as the new coach can take it. No use trying to figure out how to save the team of the guy that we don't want anyway. Let the new coach figure that out.
If Killings can gel this team great- it IS a talented group.
If not, and a new coach came In and there was mutual interest grwar, if not sure, empty the cupboard and start fresh. That's probably what's going to happen anyway.
Quote from: 1SE on January 31, 2021, 05:00:28 PM
Promote him to some new made up position, "senior BB VP " and make Wojo report to him.
Probably won't make a lick of difference but what is there to lose. He might go Gard and right the ship. Probably only chance of keeping Garcia and Lewis - probably Carton too if he thinks he could get another waiver (I suspect NCAA will be pretty liberal with them).
If Wojo has a shred of dignity or professionalism he'll resign. If not, keep him on staff and let him be the world's highest paid ball boy for another two years.
No one can possibly think Wojo is the long term answer at MU anymore. Let's get creative and move on.
1. Then he couldn't coach.
2. We've replaced the Cult of Stan with the Cult of Killings? SMH.
Carton wouldn't get a waiver for a second voluntary transfer.
Quote from: Bad_Reporter on January 31, 2021, 05:03:40 PM
Killings?
He's worse than Steve in every way.
Very well could be, but mufht as well huve him a shot and try to put some pressure on Wojo to resign.
Why not hire Joe Chapman?
why not? Wojo is not going to right this Ship. Try anyone. If Wojo doesn't have the decency to resign make him sweep the gym floor to earn his 2 million per year.
Woj made 74k for this game. Let that sink in.
provably about the starting salary for am assistant Prof
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 31, 2021, 05:02:12 PM
If Wojo is going to go, then let the roster go along with him. It will be a rebuild that goes as far as the new coach can take it. No use trying to figure out how to save the team of the guy that we don't want anyway. Let the new coach figure that out.
No issue with moving on from Wojo but I don't think it's as simple as letting the whole roster go. Carton, Dawson and JL are really nice young pieces.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 31, 2021, 05:18:51 PM
No issue with moving on from Wojo but I don't think it's as simple as letting the whole roster go. Carton, Dawson and JL are really nice young pieces.
Yeah, if they and a new coach hot of off im totally on board with keeping that core.
Wojo is, yet again, squandering the talent he somehow brings in
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 31, 2021, 05:18:51 PM
No issue with moving on from Wojo but I don't think it's as simple as letting the whole roster go. Carton, Dawson and JL are really nice young pieces.
They will all leave with Wojo...so be it, to be expected. Carton is maddening, Dawson and Lewis deserve better.
If you want to get rid of the head coach, you have to expect that there will be some player turnover.
What you have to decide is, is the former worth the latter?
Personally, I have seen enough. If Wojo got the axe and everyone on the roster bailed and all of the commits opted out, I'd still think we were on the right path.
I've tried to dislike Wojo, but that's not fair. I'm transferring my thoughts about the ball he produces onto him. He is upright, stands by his players, gives boring interviews, and, of course runs a "clean" program.
Seven years of mediocrity and ineptitude have demonstrated that it is extremely unlikely that Marquette University will ever have a reasonably successful men's basketball program with this head coach.
Give this program an enema and let's start fresh with some probiotics, aina?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 31, 2021, 05:18:51 PM
No issue with moving on from Wojo but I don't think it's as simple as letting the whole roster go. Carton, Dawson and JL are really nice young pieces.
Sure, and if they want to stay, you let them stay, but you don't keep a coach or retain part of his staff to keep players that will be here at most 3 years. Hiring a coach is a process that lasts 6-20 years. It requires that coach being able to put their stamp and style into the program. I'd rather just let the new coach make those decisions than try to keep alive vestiges of an era that we so desperately want to say goodbye to.
Quote from: brewcity77 on January 31, 2021, 05:38:54 PM
Sure, and if they want to stay, you let them stay, but you don't keep a coach or retain part of his staff to keep players that will be here at most 3 years. Hiring a coach is a process that lasts 6-20 years. It requires that coach being able to put their stamp and style into the program. I'd rather just let the new coach make those decisions than try to keep alive vestiges of an era that we so desperately want to say goodbye to.
Completely fair. I guess I'm just hoping for the best of both worlds. I'm also not particularly confident they'll chose the right replacement. That's certainly not a reason not to make a change but I'm worried about worst-case scenario.
Fire Wojo today.
Make Killings the interim coach.
Get a jump on the coaching search.
Regarding the roster and next year's recruits ... whatever happens happens. You can't be afraid to fire the coach if it's the right thing to do.
Quote from: Knights Commission on January 31, 2021, 05:03:00 PM
What about Jamie McNeily???
LOL! Haven't heard that name in ages. Wonder if he's still involved with Buzz?
google is your friend:
https://12thman.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/jamie-mcneilly/1303 (https://12thman.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/jamie-mcneilly/1303)
Quote from: BigWilly77 on January 31, 2021, 11:43:41 PM
LOL! Haven't heard that name in ages. Wonder if he's still involved with Buzz?
Quote from: MU82 on January 31, 2021, 11:16:01 PM
Fire Wojo today.
Make Killings the interim coach.
Get a jump on the coaching search.
Regarding the roster and next year's recruits ... whatever happens happens. You can't be afraid to fire the coach if it's the right thing to do.
click bait....sit down! lol
Quote from: cheese ball chaser on January 31, 2021, 05:06:38 PM
Why not hire Joe Chapman?
He's got more championships then wojo has tournament wins.
The problem with Killings is it might be more of the same. Incompetence enjoys being surrounded by incompetence. The goal is to get Wojo to resign and not pay a buy-out. The season could be a write-off already, so have some fun with it. Take a lesson from the EPL and bring in a "caretaker" for the remainder of the season. Move Wojo to an administrative role until he goes. Take away his office, his budget, his staff and give him a little desk in the athletic department bullpen and some towels to wash.
The caretaker could be anyone. Tony Smith, Novak, Fitz, Heldt, McIlvane. Get the guys to have fun, play hard and play with some freedom, knowing that they will all probably leave due to the coaching change. Meanwhile look for a good coach and make the hire as soon as the season ends - or even before - so the recruiting can begin.
Quote from: MUHoopsFan2 on February 01, 2021, 12:14:32 AM
click bait....sit down! lol
Learn the definition of "click bait."
Saying something not especially controversial in the middle of a fanboard thread and without its own headline doesn't meet most people's definitions of the term.
I'm sure candidates for the opening would love to hear about how we treated the old coach.
Honest question, besides scandal or the coach themselves making the decision to leave, has any modern college basketball program fired a coach mid-season and installed a "caretaker"?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 01, 2021, 10:04:47 AM
I'm sure candidates for the opening would love to hear about how we treated the old coach.
Honest question, besides scandal or the coach themselves making the decision to leave, has any modern college basketball program fired a coach mid-season and installed a "caretaker"?
https://www.google.com/amp/s/watchstadium.com/an-examination-of-midseason-coaching-changes-in-college-basketball-01-02-2019/amp/
Quote from: panda on February 01, 2021, 10:05:52 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/watchstadium.com/an-examination-of-midseason-coaching-changes-in-college-basketball-01-02-2019/amp/
Hilariously, the only two winning records for teams that had midseason coaching changes in the last twenty years belong to the Badgers, but as was stated in another thread, those were calculated moves by Bennett and Ryan to give "their guy" a shot at the big job.
Most interim coaches did not perform well for the remainder of the season, which figures, because the coach likely wouldn't have been dismissed if the team didn't suck.
Quote from: PointWarrior on January 31, 2021, 11:52:01 PM
google is your friend:
https://12thman.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/jamie-mcneilly/1303 (https://12thman.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/jamie-mcneilly/1303)
Associate Head at TAMU? He's ascended the ranks quite nicely and I do like a guy who has been learning under Buzz for <11 seasons. #GTST
Don't want to be too vocal yet while we are still under the tutelage of Wojo but maybe a name to add to my internal shortlist in the future.
Quote from: panda on February 01, 2021, 10:05:52 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/watchstadium.com/an-examination-of-midseason-coaching-changes-in-college-basketball-01-02-2019/amp/
Thanks. I'm not sure I'd count John Groce and Anthony Grant count as "mid-season" as they were fired after the regular season. I had forgotten about Alford getting canned mid-season. So that leaves Alford as the only coach fired mid-regular season since former Marquette coach Kevin O'Neill in 2013.
Going back in order, UCLA seems to have made a good hire in Mick Cronin.
Illinois made a really good hire in Brad Underwood.
Alabama fired Avery Johnson after an uninspiring start in his first two seasons
USC likely has buyer's remorse with Andy Enfield.
Oliver Purnell sucked but it was DePaul so it's hard to blame him.
Mark Fox had a goodish run at Georgia though at one point he held the record for longest tenured P6 coach without consecutive tournament appearances.
Trent Johnson was fired from LSU after 4 unremarkable seasons.
Craig Robinson had 1 winning season in 6 seasons at Oregon State.
Tim Floyd did well at USC but was fired for rampant cheating.
Norm Roberts had 6 seasons at St. John's, he got 1 win above .500 twice and was sub .500 in the other 4.
Hard to blame the hires because they were taking over struggling programs, but the track record of firing coaches mid-season is not very good. I could be convinced that firing a coach after the regular season but before an NIT is smart to get a jump start on the coaching search.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 01, 2021, 10:04:47 AM
I'm sure candidates for the opening would love to hear about how we treated the old coach.
Honest question, besides scandal or the coach themselves making the decision to leave, has any modern college basketball program fired a coach mid-season and installed a "caretaker"?
Illinois fired John Groce right after a first-round loss in the 2017 Big 14 tournament and hired assistant Jamall Walker as "caretaker" to coach the team during the NIT, where Illinois won 2 games.
Illinois then hired Brad Underwood, who had 2 rebuilding seasons (26-39 record, no postseason) before turning things around last year. Led by a couple of total studs, the Illini are B14 contenders this season.
That's probably the closest I could find to a situation -- and a preferred outcome -- that would resemble Marquette's if we fired Wojo any time between now and season's end.
It should be noted that Groce's record was considerably worse than Wojo's, as his teams got worse every season. He also was a weak recruiter.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 01, 2021, 10:33:22 AM
Thanks. I'm not sure I'd count John Groce and Anthony Grant count as "mid-season" as they were fired after the regular season. I had forgotten about Alford getting canned mid-season. So that leaves Alford as the only coach fired mid-regular season since former Marquette coach Kevin O'Neill in 2013.
Going back in order, UCLA seems to have made a good hire in Mick Cronin.
Illinois made a really good hire in Brad Underwood.
Alabama fired Avery Johnson after an uninspiring start in his first two seasons
USC likely has buyer's remorse with Andy Enfield.
Oliver Purnell sucked but it was DePaul so it's hard to blame him.
Mark Fox had a goodish run at Georgia though at one point he held the record for longest tenured P6 coach without consecutive tournament appearances.
Trent Johnson was fired from LSU after 4 unremarkable seasons.
Craig Robinson had 1 winning season in 6 seasons at Oregon State.
Tim Floyd did well at USC but was fired for rampant cheating.
Norm Roberts had 6 seasons at St. John's, he got 1 win above .500 twice and was sub .500 in the other 4.
Hard to blame the hires because they were taking over struggling programs, but the track record of firing coaches mid-season is not very good. I could be convinced that firing a coach after the regular season but before an NIT is smart to get a jump start on the coaching search.
Norm roberts is a prime example of why you fire a coach when he's bad even if the next season is promising. That next year they had 11 upper class men 10 of whom were seniors return from an NIT team. they could have put a chimp on the sidelines and still made the NCAA tournament in 2011. But they still let him go because he was not getting it done at the moment nor had he previously.
Quote from: MU82 on February 01, 2021, 10:33:47 AM
Illinois fired John Groce right after a first-round loss in the 2017 Big 14 tournament and hired assistant Jamall Walker as "caretaker" to coach the team during the NIT, where Illinois won 2 games.
Illinois then hired Brad Underwood, who had 2 rebuilding seasons (26-39 record, no postseason) before turning things around last year. Led by a couple of total studs, the Illini are B14 contenders this season.
There's a difference between elevating an assistant to finish the season and what WarriorFan is proposing - bringing in someone from the outside.
Quote from: BigWilly77 on February 01, 2021, 10:32:12 AM
Associate Head at TAMU? He's ascended the ranks quite nicely and I do like a guy who has been learning under Buzz for <11 seasons. #GTST
Don't want to be too vocal yet while we are still under the tutelage of Wojo but maybe a name to add to my internal shortlist in the future.
We got the Associate HC of the best program in the last 30 years ready to be burned in effigy and you're thinking the Associate HC of a basement SEC program would be a good replacement?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 01, 2021, 11:42:58 AM
There's a difference between elevating an assistant to finish the season and what WarriorFan is proposing - bringing in someone from the outside.
I missed WarriorFan's post before. I don't think it's realistic to bring in an outside coach in the middle of a season. Matta could be the one and only exception, but it isn't gonna happen so the conversation isn't realistic.
I already have said that I think Wojo should be fired now and replaced on an interim basis by Killings.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on January 31, 2021, 05:35:52 PM
Give this program an enema and let's start fresh with some probiotics, aina?
That should do the trick. :o
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 01, 2021, 10:04:47 AM
I'm sure candidates for the opening would love to hear about how we treated the old coach.
We will have treated Wojo fine, even if we fire him today.
Hired a guy with zero head-coaching experience - not even HS ball. Gave him a beautiful, new NBA arena and a wonderful practice/office facility. Gave him a huge budget that let him recruit nationally and take charter flights to all games. Gave him a 7-figure contract and then extended it. Gave him 7 years to lead us to success, keeping him even after the program took a step backward in 2017-18, sustained a player mutiny in 2018-19, and took another step back in 2019-20.
Coaches know it's a business. As long as MU honchos didn't bad-mouth Wojo on the way out (and probably even if they did), it wouldn't hurt our coaching search one iota IMHO. This happens all the time in college basketball and football.
Quote from: MU82 on February 01, 2021, 12:10:20 PM
We will have treated Wojo fine, even if we fire him today.
I was referring to WarriorFan's suggestion of demoting him, taking away his office, etc. But if you don't think firing a coach mid-season in a sport where that is extremely rare wouldn't raise an eyebrow for potential candidates, you're not being honest. Keep in mind, that while the results have not been good, they haven't been bad either. We aren't talking about Groce at Illinois or KO at USC.
Again, I could be convinced that firing a coach after the regular season but before the NIT or other lower tournament is a good idea. Mid-regular season? Not so much.
Quote from: Golden Avalanche on February 01, 2021, 11:55:20 AM
We got the Associate HC of the best program in the last 30 years ready to be burned in effigy and you're thinking the Associate HC of a basement SEC program would be a good replacement?
Look at the track record of Duke assistants. Just because they come from Duke doesn't mean they're destined to be successful. They have so many advantages at Duke no other program has and K doesn't give them much autonomy as assistants. Not that I would ever advocate for anyone associated with Buzz. I want a proven head coach.
Duke assistants:
Amaker - mediocre at Seton Hall and Michigan, strong at Harvard (playing fast and loose there though)
Henderson - a disaster at Delaware
Snyder - flamed out at Mizzou, was sketchy as hell there
Dawkins - mediocre at Stanford, doing better at UCF
Capel - good at VCU, fired from Oklahoma, decent but not great at Pitt
Collins - one good year at Northwestern
Wojo - mediocre at MU
Bray is the only real success story and even he has been uneven at ND. Plus, he had experience at programs other than Duke.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 01, 2021, 10:04:47 AM
I'm sure candidates for the opening would love to hear about how we treated the old coach.
Honest question, besides scandal or the coach themselves making the decision to leave, has any modern college basketball program fired a coach mid-season and installed a "caretaker"?
Wojo has been treated very well by the University and administration. He has been given enough time and resources to succeed. Fans are fans and will be idiots now and again. Coaches know that and know it comes with the territory and the money they are making. This isn't the local CYM league. One way to stop idiot fans? win games.
I think firing a coach before the season is over is the wrong move.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 01, 2021, 12:25:31 PM
I was referring to WarriorFan's suggestion of demoting him, taking away his office, etc. But if you don't think firing a coach mid-season in a sport where that is extremely rare wouldn't raise an eyebrow for potential candidates, you're not being honest. Keep in mind, that while the results have not been good, they haven't been bad either. We aren't talking about Groce at Illinois or KO at USC.
Again, I could be convinced that firing a coach after the regular season but before the NIT or other lower tournament is a good idea. Mid-regular season? Not so much.
Wojo's results, this year, have been bad. His teams also collapsed at the end of the previous two seasons.
For whatever reason, this "we treated Wojo poorly" narrative is pleasing to you. I agree with everything MU82 said above; we gave Wojo the keys to a college basketball kingdom and plenty of time to get the job done, and he's been a failure. If we move on after the season, no one can say we didn't give him every chance to prove himself. Demoting him to mopping floors at the Al and moving his office to a bathroom stall while some other guy comes in to coach the team for the rest of the year is an idea so wild it's not even worth entertaining. In the real world, if we fired him now or at the end of the year, it would not reflect poorly on us. He's been given ample time, and he's made his bed.
Sigh, multiple people are jumping on this "how we treated the old coach" line. To explain again, that was not in reference to anything that has actually happened. I am not saying and have never said that Wojo has been treated poorly. The line is referencing WarriorFan's suggestion of demoting Wojo, taking away his office, and bringing in an outside guy to coach the team. It also refers to the idea of firing him midseason, again not something that has happened but something that is being suggested repeatedly.
Here is a list of coaches who have been fired, or who have otherwise left mid-season.
https://watchstadium.com/an-examination-of-midseason-coaching-changes-in-college-basketball-01-02-2019/
Two observations:
1. It happens more regularly than I would have thought.
2. It seemingly has no bearing on the quality of coach hired afterward.
Imagine firing ole Jerry Wainwright to get a head start on your coaching search, winning one in 15 with Tracy Webster as your interim....and then hiring Oliver Purnell.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on February 01, 2021, 12:54:24 PM
Here is a list of coaches who have been fired, or who have otherwise left mid-season.
https://watchstadium.com/an-examination-of-midseason-coaching-changes-in-college-basketball-01-02-2019/
Two observations:
1. It happens more regularly than I would have thought.
2. It seemingly has no bearing on the quality of coach hired afterward.
Imagine firing ole Jerry Wainwright to get a head start on your coaching search, winning one in 15 with Tracy Webster as your interim....and then hiring Oliver Purnell.
A lot of these have back stories to them other than record.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 01, 2021, 12:49:09 PM
Sigh, multiple people are jumping on this "how we treated the old coach" line. To explain again, that was not in reference to anything that has actually happened. I am not saying and have never said that Wojo has been treated poorly. The line is referencing WarriorFan's suggestion of demoting Wojo, taking away his office, and bringing in an outside guy to coach the team. It also refers to the idea of firing him midseason, again not something that has happened but something that is being suggested repeatedly.
Sorry that I misinterpreted your response to WF.
WF's suggestion of what to do with Wojo was either way over-the-top sarcasm or complete idiocy because obviously it would never, ever, ever, ever, ever happen, at Marquette or anywhere else.
So I never even considered it when I first read your response.
I would rather fire Wojo today, replace him with Killings on an interim basis and get going on the hiring search. I don't think it would hurt us in the eyes of legit candidates at all, so we'll agree to disagree there. But yes, I realize that waiting till the end of a season is more common, so I wouldn't have a problem with it -- not that anyone from Marquette is asking me, you or any other Scooper.
And then there's this: Even if we don't win another game this season, Wojo will be back next season IMHO.
COVID, $$$, recruits, whatever, will be the justifications. So all of this is just fartin' into the wind. But hey, what else are we supposed to talk about now that all but the biggest optimists in Scoopdom know that this season is going nowhere?
Quote from: Silent Verbal on February 01, 2021, 12:36:58 PM
Wojo's results, this year, have been bad. His teams also collapsed at the end of the previous two seasons.
For whatever reason, this "we treated Wojo poorly" narrative is pleasing to you. I agree with everything MU82 said above; we gave Wojo the keys to a college basketball kingdom and plenty of time to get the job done, and he's been a failure. If we move on after the season, no one can say we didn't give him every chance to prove himself. Demoting him to mopping floors at the Al and moving his office to a bathroom stall while some other guy comes in to coach the team for the rest of the year is an idea so wild it's not even entertaining. In the real world, if we fired him now or at the end of the year, it would not reflect poorly on us. He's been given ample time, and he's made his bed.
Why? He makes twice as much as Lovell. What's our return? If he's too fixated on getting paid to resign if he were asked to (or too willfully blind to how medicore he's been) I'd have no problem asking him to mop floors to get his paycheck. I'm sure his contract has an "other duties" clause. If he doesn't like it he can quit.
Quote from: 1SE on February 01, 2021, 04:05:15 PM
Why? He makes twice as much as Lovell. What's our return? If he's too fixated on getting paid to resign if he were asked to (or too willfully blind to how medicore he's been) I'd have no problem asking him to mop floors to get his paycheck. I'm sure his contract has an "other duties" clause. If he doesn't like it he can quit.
Because that's not the norm for this industry. You pay the buy out and move on OR you fire him for cause if he broke NCAA regulations or something like that. And since that didn't happen, you just pay up.
Quote from: 1SE on February 01, 2021, 04:05:15 PM
Why? He makes twice as much as Lovell. What's our return? If he's too fixated on getting paid to resign if he were asked to (or too willfully blind to how medicore he's been) I'd have no problem asking him to mop floors to get his paycheck. I'm sure his contract has an "other duties" clause. If he doesn't like it he can quit.
Maybe we should take away his MU gear and make him coach in a plain white tshirt.
If he's such a great guy and strong asset to the university then put him in as a deputy AD or chief of fund-raising. There is no evidence, by the way, that he's not a great guy.
What he is not, is a good basketball coach. In business sometimes you run into 'unfireable' people so you just put them into a nothing job where they can't hurt anything until they leave. Sometimes that costs less money than firing them.
My main point is that it's better to make the change now. More time for the hiring process and more time for recruiting. The buy out is large and untimely, therefore re-deploy him.
Heck, ask Megan Duffy to coach both programs for the rest of the year. She's a better coach than Wojo.
Now? Or is an almost-comeback/ almost turn the season around worth a couple years of extension?
Time to make the break. Today.
Wojo is not evil, and is not even a horrible coach. Horrible coaches don't recruit like he has and don't go to the NCAA tournament 3 times in 4 years.
He simply isn't good enough. We simply can do better. 6 1/2 years has given us plenty of time to see that a change is necessary.
Nah Nads, iz Stuper Bowl Sunday. Wee won't get no ink in da papers wit dis nail bitin' decision. Gotta wait, aina?
Quote from: 1SE on February 07, 2021, 02:02:01 AM
Now? Or is an almost-comeback/ almost turn the season around worth a couple years of extension?
LOL!
All jokes aside, Wojo has done nothing in the past two years (since his last extension) to justify an extension. IF MU gives him an extension (something I doubt) it would be to set the table for a small buyout after next year. It maybe a solid strategy by MU but it could also take the wind out of Wojo's sails and we could see him mail it in next year.
Such is the world of big time college basketball. There are no great options when programs pick the wrong guy for the job. Nothing unique to MU.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 07, 2021, 09:19:38 AM
Nah Nads, iz Stuper Bowl Sunday. Wee won't get no ink in da papers wit dis nail bitin' decision. Gotta wait, aina?
Buhht wirunt yu sayun ink-in-da-papers wasint emportunt wen Markus browt it 2 us doe?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 07, 2021, 09:23:40 AM
LOL!
All jokes aside, Wojo has done nothing in the past two years (since his last extension) to justify an extension. IF MU gives him an extension (something I doubt) it would be to set the table for a small buyout after next year. It maybe a solid strategy by MU but it could also take the wind out of Wojo's sails and we could see him mail it in next year.
Such is the world of big time college basketball. There are no great options when programs pick the wrong guy for the job. Nothing unique to MU.
Nope.
For "Removing Wind 💨 from Sails 🚣♀️" see Buzz/Larry/Pilarz
Quote from: NorthernDancerColt on February 07, 2021, 09:46:43 AM
Buhht wirunt yu sayun ink-in-da-papers wasint emportunt wen Markus browt it 2 us doe?
The goal is not to have a good player.
Our kenpom during the Markus era was 31, 33, 53, 32. Definition of mediocre. The fact we couldn't build a decent team around an all American is actually the most damning example that Wojo isn't up for it.
I don't know much about how programs use their assistant coaches, but aren't all 3 guys usually recruiting? Who have Gainey or Prusetti brought to the program? I know Killings landed Justin Lewis and Torrence, but not sure who is/was the lead on any of the other current players or incoming players.
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 07, 2021, 10:06:35 AM
I don't know much about how programs use their assistant coaches, but aren't all 3 guys usually recruiting? Who have Gainey or Prusetti brought to the program? I know Killings landed Justin Lewis and Torrence, but not sure who is/was the lead on any of the other current players or incoming players.
Gainey was the lead recruiter with Aidoo. He's only been here since last summer so that's probably it.
No idea about Prusetti.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 07, 2021, 09:23:40 AM
LOL!
All jokes aside, Wojo has done nothing in the past two years (since his last extension) to justify an extension. IF MU gives him an extension (something I doubt) it would be to set the table for a small buyout after next year. It maybe a solid strategy by MU but it could also take the wind out of Wojo's sails and we could see him mail it in next year.
Such is the world of big time college basketball. There are no great options when programs pick the wrong guy for the job. Nothing unique to MU.
Why would he mail it in when it would be easier for MU to fire him?
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 07, 2021, 10:06:35 AM
I don%u2019t know much about how programs use their assistant coaches, but aren%u2019t all 3 guys usually recruiting? Who have Gainey or Prusetti brought to the program? I know Killings landed Justin Lewis and Torrence, but not sure who is/was the lead on any of the other current players or incoming players.
Here's what i recollect as far as the lead assistant on each guy
Current:Carton--??
McKewen--Stan
Elliott--??
Cain--Stan
Torrence--Killings
John--Stan
Perez--Killings
Akanno--Stan
Lewis--Killings
Oso--Stan
Garcia--Stan
Incoming:Mitchell--Killings
Jones--Killings
Aidoo--Gainey
Quote from: NorthernDancerColt on February 07, 2021, 09:50:40 AM
Nope.
For "Removing Wind 💨 from Sails 🚣♀️" see Buzz/Larry/Pilarz
I don't follow. "Nope" it would not it would not take the wind out of Wojo's sails? Buzz/Larry/Pilarz have used up MU's coaches' ability to have the wind taken from their sails the next 20 years?
I assume you then think it is a solid strategy to extend him to position MU for a low buyout next year? I would not disagree with that position.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on February 07, 2021, 10:13:45 AM
Gainey was the lead recruiter with Aidoo. He's only been here since last summer so that's probably it.
No idea about Prusetti.
Which looks to be a nice get, so thank you. YoungMUFan4 provided a list and I'm not seeing Prusetti's name listed at all. Was just wondering what his role was.
Quote from: YoungMUFan4 on February 07, 2021, 10:17:47 AM
Here's what i recollect as far as the lead assistant on each guy
Current:
Carton--??
McKewen--Stan
Elliott--??
Cain--Stan
Torrence--Killings
John--Stan
Perez--Killings
Akanno--Stan
Lewis--Killings
Oso--Stan
Garcia--Stan
Incoming:
Mitchell--Killings
Jones--Killings
Aidoo--Gainey
I thought both Cain & Elliott were Brett Nelson recruits.
I thought DJ was a Wojo recruit. Isn't the story that DJ was at Wojo's camp and that they had built a relationship that mattered once DJ became a free agent? Or am I thinking of somebody else?
Quote from: MU82 on February 07, 2021, 09:16:16 AM
Time to make the break. Today.
Wojo is not evil, and is not even a horrible coach. Horrible coaches don't recruit like he has and don't go to the NCAA tournament 3 times in 4 years.
He simply isn't good enough. We simply can do better. 6 1/2 years has given us plenty of time to see that a change is necessary.
If they didn't want to fire him before the Creighton game, nothing that happened during the Creighton game that would have changed that opinion.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 07, 2021, 03:08:25 PM
If they didn't want to fire him before the Creighton game, nothing that happened during the Creighton game that would have changed that opinion.
Of course you are correct. I don't expect them to fire him after the season, either, even if we end up with only the same 9 wins we have today.
Doesn't change my opinion, which I think is reasonable. I know you disagree about firing him in the season, and I respect that.
I don't know that firing him mid-season is the best move. For one, I don't want them to think Killings is the guy if they go on a little bit of a run at the end of the year just because they made some changes. Gard is turning out to be a good coach, but it put them in pretty awkward position.
Also, I don't know that a mid-season firing makes this job more attractive to other coaches.
Quote from: cheebs09 on February 08, 2021, 07:44:46 AM
Gard is turning out to be a good coach, but it put them in pretty awkward position.
....by Bo's design.
YOU'RE FIRED!
Good for T.V., but no way to run a railroad.
To continue, we are on the right track notwithstanding that is very, very painful to watch.
Now? Or do we cut Wojo slack because had he had Lewis this wouldn't have been a 32 point loss?
Clean house. We shouldn't want any fingerprint of the Wojo era in our program moving forward.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on February 10, 2021, 10:33:37 PM
Clean house. We shouldn't want any fingerprint of the Wojo era in our program moving forward.
Exactly! Almost as insane as keeping the Duke failure. There's zero reason to believe any of them can coach. They're part of this raging dumpster fire after all.
Bring back Wainwright as caretaker coach.
Quote from: ZiggysFryBoy on February 10, 2021, 10:40:25 PM
Bring back Wainwright as caretaker coach.
That is funny. Thank you. Now I can go to bed smiling.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on February 10, 2021, 10:41:47 PM
That is funny. Thank you. Now I can go to bed smiling.
I was serious.
;D
I wonder if Joe Chapman is busy for the next few weeks?
Quote from: 1SE on February 10, 2021, 10:55:08 PM
I wonder if Joe Chapman is busy for the next few weeks?
I'm much more excited for TBT than the rest of this season. Hope the guys can repeat. It was fun to watch!
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 10, 2021, 10:57:16 PM
I'm much more excited for TBT than the rest of this season. Hope the guys can repeat. It was fun to watch!
It will be the only MUBB worth watching until Wojo is gone
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 10, 2021, 10:57:16 PM
I'm much more excited for TBT than the rest of this season. Hope the guys can repeat. It was fun to watch!
Now? Or moral victory covering the spread?
Today's issue wasn't coaching.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on February 14, 2021, 03:59:07 PM
Today's issue wasn't coaching.
What about making the team stop shooting 3s and go to the hoop which was paying off?
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on February 14, 2021, 03:59:07 PM
Today's issue wasn't coaching.
Figurin' tired legs got 'em again, hey?
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on February 14, 2021, 03:59:07 PM
Today's issue wasn't coaching.
This is the team he recruited and developed
Quote from: Daniel on February 14, 2021, 04:00:11 PM
What about making the team stop shooting 3s and go to the hoop which was paying off?
Many of the threes were wide open. Shooters gotta shoot sometimes.
Look I don't think Wojo is good. This game wasn't an example of that. Scorers were put in a position to score and couldn't.
Quote from: Daniel on February 14, 2021, 04:00:11 PM
What about making the team stop shooting 3s and go to the hoop which was paying off?
We don't really have the guys to drive to the basket.
This is how I expected our losses to be this year. Poor shooting and a few untimely mistakes based on some newer guys.
On most days the coaching isn't good enough. On the rare occasion that it is, like today, the players aren't good enough.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on February 14, 2021, 03:59:07 PM
Today's issue wasn't coaching.
If coaching includes the recruiting of subpar players, then it's an issue.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on February 14, 2021, 04:02:13 PM
Many of the threes were wide open. Shooters gotta shoot sometimes.
Look I don't think Wojo is good. This game wasn't an example of that. Scorers were put in a position to score and couldn't.
We had one stretch in which Garcia, Cain, Elliott and McEwen each missed an open 3. Greg's was on a very well-run play to get him wide open. It was painful to watch, but I agree that shooters gotta shoot.
Who said they are shooters? Large part of coaching is developing a player's strength and then drawing up a game plan that brings out the best in each individual's game. Woj fails miserably in both areas, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 14, 2021, 04:53:24 PM
Who said they are shooters?
Big East statistics said it.
Percentages from 3 going into the game:
Cain - .423 (8th in Big East)
Garcia - .396 (11th in Big East)
McEwen - .368 (24th in Big East)
Elliott - .421 (would have been 9th in Big East if had enough attempts)
Combined going into the game: 99-249 (.398)
Sunday: 1-18 (.056)
The ball obviously wasn't going in. So we came out in the second half determined to pound the ball inside. Tried only four 3s in the first 10 minutes of the second half, two of which came on desperation tries at the shot clock.
Wojo needs to coach better; I'd have fired him weeks ago. But he can't make open 3s for guys who are shooting 40% from behind the arc.
Quote from: MU82 on February 14, 2021, 05:09:05 PM
Big East statistics said it.
Percentages from 3 going into the game:
Cain - .423 (8th in Big East)
Garcia - .396 (11th in Big East)
McEwen - .368 (24th in Big East)
Elliott - .421 (would have been 9th in Big East if had enough attempts)
Combined going into the game: 99-249 (.398)
Sunday: 1-18 (.056)
The ball obviously wasn't going in. So we came out in the second half determined to pound the ball inside. Tried only four 3s in the first 10 minutes of the second half, two of which came on desperation tries at the shot clock.
Wojo needs to coach better; I'd have fired him weeks ago. But he can't make open 3s for guys who are shooting 40% from behind the arc.
I'm starting to wonder how good Wojo is as opposed to his assistants. Our 3PFG% is the lowest of Wojo's tenure. We're ranked 9th in Big East play in team 3PFG%. Is that maybe due to Brett Nelson leaving, who was regarded as the shooting specialist?
Our ATO & BOOB plays are terrible, with more examples of just firing it from under the offensive hoop into the defensive backcourt yesterday. Is that maybe due to Stan Johnson leaving, who was often seen leading ATO situations in timeouts (while LMU is much improved in the same regard this year)?
With the promotion of Jake Presutti to assistant and Danny Mads to DOBO, who is even our film and advanced stats expert? The advanced stats always seemed to be a weak point, but promoting the guys who were supposed to be the experts in that regard and not replacing the film position seems like a significant head coaching error.
It feels like not just Markus, but the coaching staff as a whole covered deficiencies that Wojo had, and now that his best talent is leaving, he can't keep up.