Marquette is down to -2.5. SHU has a few good, experienced bigs who could give MU's young guys some trouble. Hopefully MU can build some momentum with another win
James Breeding in the house. Theo tossed over/under?
I think this is the first game I watched that did not start right on time.
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Go figure. Game before is actually super fast. We don't tip til 8:15
Mamukelashvili did whatever he wanted against St John's, we gotta make it tough for him
I cannot recall the last time we scored on our first possession at home.
Theo gotta be alert
Like what we are trying to do on O though.
LOL THeo just a sniper
Theo! The streak continues!
Threeo
Mamu's 4 possessions so far
And 1 poster
Missed easy layup
Pass to open 3
Free throw line
Bricks
TOs are fun
This is dreadful.
TO's and bricks every possession and its now lead to D break downs and they are cashing
Getting pretty open shots when we're not throwing the ball away. Gotta start making them.
Brutal start. TO city and just bricking open shots. Come on guys, pull it together
It's early. Not worried yet. Shots are looking a bit rushed, need to settle it down
Quote from: BM1090 on December 17, 2020, 08:25:07 PM
Getting pretty open shots when we're not throwing the ball away. Gotta start making them.
Gotta stop throwing the ball away!
Tons of time left.
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on December 17, 2020, 08:18:38 PM
I cannot recall the last time we scored on our first possession at home.
Who really remembers this stuff though
Of course AIken is available for this
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 17, 2020, 08:30:36 PM
Of course AIken is available for this
SHU lying on the injury report. They are insufferable.
Let's go Jamal
So I assume 4ever has tuned the game off by now expecting the usual loss to SHU?
Great positioning Theo
Gonna have to start stringing together stops and scores together.
Finally get 2 stops and we don't score then leads to a run out.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 17, 2020, 08:32:51 PM
So I assume 4ever has tuned the game off by now expecting the usual loss to SHU?
Obsess much. Creepy.
Dawson needs to stop just launching out of rythmn 3s for what appears to be simply the sake of doing it.
Catch and shoot or get down in the paint.
Reminding me of Senior Day last year when we had no answers for their offense.
Quote from: hairy worthen on December 17, 2020, 08:38:45 PM
Obsess much. Creepy.
Guess I could say the same given you're commenting on my comment. AHA! lol
Quote from: TSmith34 on December 17, 2020, 08:40:19 PM
Reminding me of Senior Day last year when we had no answers for their offense.
Nobody to guard Mamu. Lewis and Garcia are getting torched.
One thing that has bothered me for a while is how we just absolutely refuse to take charges.... we would rather jump and try to block and hack guys streaming through a congested lane... it's pretty damn annoying
Quote from: T.V. Diener 34 on December 17, 2020, 08:41:29 PM
One thing that has bothered me for a while is how we just absolutely refuse to take charges.... we would rather jump and try to block and hack guys streaming through a congested lane... it's pretty damn annoying
Yeah that guy was going in with a purpose, definitely shoulda tried for a charge there.
Need to control the pace. Setttle down, run the plays. Get free.
We've missed so many shots. Settle. Goooo Marquette!
Turnovers and allowing wide open jumpers doesn't seem to be the best of strategies.
Couldn't tell. Did Koby get that off in time?
Gotta have DJ start looking for his shot a bit.
Koby playing too out of control, needs to settle down.
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on December 17, 2020, 08:47:07 PM
Couldn't tell. Did Koby get that off in time?
I initially thought so, but went back and rewatched it and it was closer than I thought. Looked like a violation on second viewing.
Garcia gets his shot blocked alot for a big guy.
Alright getting some stops. Fast break dunk. Drawing some fouls.
Now lets get the half court O going
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 17, 2020, 08:48:46 PM
Alright getting some stops. Fast break dunk. Drawing some fouls.
Now lets get the half court O going
DJ decides to get his pocket picked twice on one possession.
so I know he has made some big plays but my God how many times is Carton going to get the ball stolen from him this season????????
Rough possession for DJ there.
Carton was really intent on that turnover. Theo tried to bail him out, but Carton was like "nope, I'm giving it to SHU come hell or high water!"
SHU playing aggressive D. Need to draw more fouls on them...
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 17, 2020, 08:51:25 PM
SHU playing aggressive D. Need to draw more fouls on them...
There have been 5+ the refs haven't called. Not complaining, though. They've been letting them play both ways.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 17, 2020, 08:49:50 PM
DJ decides to get his pocket picked twice on one possession.
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Letting them play in the first half. Which means 15 fouls will be called in the first 5 minutes of the second half.
Nice passing there
Nice dime Theo
Sloppy ball handling all year so far. Need to value the ball. We cannot let SH control the tempo. Buckle down. No more turnovers! Gooooo Marquette!!
Theo waaaaaaaaay too hard.
Koby had excellent D on Aiken the possession before
TURNOVERS.
We are our own momentum killer.
These are absolute grade school TO's every time we start looking like momentum is shifting. Just somehow some way stop doing this....we can win this.
Just an absolutely awful final 4 possesions after getting it to 4 with the ball.
Hall letting us hang around though. Lets make them pay
Lucky only to be down 6 at half.
can't say anyone played well, but only down 6. That is the only positive
So. Many. Turnovers. Lucky to be down by 6. Second half team, make it happen
I've come to expect Wojo teams to turn the ball over with alarming regularity, but this is ridiculous.
They are overplaying every passing lane. Multiple opportunities for back door cuts and we haven't done it once.
Down 6 after that mess? Doable.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 17, 2020, 08:32:51 PM
So I assume 4ever has tuned the game off by now expecting the usual loss to SHU?
Dreaming of 70 year old cheerleaders
Seton Hall watched some OSU vs MU film with that press.
Down four and Theo throws a brick hook.
Still down four and Theo just gives it to Mamu.
Down six with last shot, not a good one.
Those possessions stunk......could have gave MU huge momentum, but did not. Wojo not happy was going nuclear on sidelines.
Dawson hasnt hit a three since Green bay game. dudes gotta find that stroke
This team always scraps at least and the D clamped down after the mid half breakdowns.
Being down 6 with basically 0 outside shooting and what feels like 35 TO's makes this doable.
But Mamu hasnt really gotten going yet either. His PTs have been off our terrible TOs
Theo John has huge arms but needs to work on his hand strength holding onto the ball.
I had concerns about DJ's handle even against the 'cakes. He's going to have to work on it.
He should have sensed dribbling into the double-team. I know, he's only played in enough games to probably still be a frosh.
We were down more to a much better team.
Quote from: nyg on December 17, 2020, 09:01:34 PM
Down four and Theo throws a brick hook.
Still down four and Theo just gives it to Mamu.
Down six with last shot, not a good one.
Those possessions stunk......could have gave MU huge momentum, but did not. Wojo not happy was going nuclear on sidelines.
In there Theo also completely botched a loose ball/O rebound but SHU luckily chucked it out of bounds right after.
Coulda been down 16 at half. So gotta spin that into a positive in the locker room.
Quote from: Autoengineer on December 17, 2020, 09:02:44 PM
Theo John has huge arms but needs to work on his hand strength holding onto the ball.
Yes, it's been a major problem his whole career. The ball gets knocked out of his hands way too easily.
Quote from: Autoengineer on December 17, 2020, 09:02:44 PM
Theo John has huge arms but needs to work on his hand strength holding onto the ball.
Is it hand strength or concentration? He's been doing this for 4 years now.
turnover city. Carton is god awful right now. Can't figure this team out
The TOs are insane
Not DJ Carton's best night.
DJ in the tank?
garcia just getting stuffed down low
We certainly don't seem to get any calls at home like other teams. In fact, we get BS crap called against us at home, and lots of no calls on our end.
The half managed to potentially make us worse.
What mind blowing is
1. We have these absolute meltdowns in the games that are more toss ups
2. The issues in these games are not limited to just 1 or 2 guys.
Quote from: forgetful on December 17, 2020, 09:16:57 PM
We certainly don't seem to get any calls at home like other teams. In fact, we get BS crap called against us at home, and lots of no calls on our end.
For years!
Quote from: forgetful on December 17, 2020, 09:16:57 PM
We certainly don't seem to get any calls at home like other teams. In fact, we get BS crap called against us at home, and lots of no calls on our end.
Refs aren't a problem tonight. Just a mental block against Seton Hall for whatever reason.
Nice to see DJ usehis speed.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 17, 2020, 09:18:42 PM
Refs aren't a problem tonight. Just a mental block against Seton Hall for whatever reason.
I won't speak for forgetful.... But I agree with his commentary as an overall trend
Just need to hope something really goes our way here just once.
Quick 5-0 run
But they score right back and then DJ has a down and out 3.
Need to see a few jumpers go through quick.
Not sure how they are only down 8.
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Seriously, can we only play top-10 teams?
Really wish Theo could do that consistently. But that was niiiiiiiiiiiiice
Was that Theo John or Hakeem Olajuwon?!?
Theo on the other end now!! Koby with some help
Theo on both ends.
How is that not a technical on Aiken?
And it happens again. Chance for a true run.
Justin goes way too fast on a lay up.
SHU bangs a 3.
Just cannot get sustained momentum.
Wow that was lucky.
Let that be the turn!
Theo seems to be the only one fighting right now.
We are so lucky to be down 6 right now. That Theo near-turnover, then kick to Cain for three was the epitome of the luck that has us in this.
Doubling Mamu and he kicks it out for wide open three. That's four times tonight, 12 points. Even Lavin just mentioned it, just killing them.
You guys remember when theo got tossed for a shove?
Why not in this situation?
Can we T up Samuel for being a complete idiot?
ooooo that was sweet
Wtf is Samuel doing?
These dbags literally answer every single time
Everytime we get close theres an aswer
Not much for Dawson tonight.
That team is just complete scum. That's all on Willard.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 17, 2020, 09:31:12 PM
That team is just complete scum. That's all on Willard.
They really are.
This Samuel clown shows up this year and like clockwork.....complete jackass
And the lead balloons again.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 17, 2020, 09:28:07 PM
We are so lucky to be down 6 right now. That Theo near-turnover, then kick to Cain for three was the epitome of the luck that has us in this.
Yeah this one is done.
We just can't hit our open shots.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 17, 2020, 09:31:12 PM
That team is just complete scum. That's all on Willard.
Yes, always has been under him. Completely unlikable assfaces.
Hall looks like a top 20 team tonight of course vs MU
Hall's guys play with an edge. Like MU teams used to.
The reason we don't like it is they beat us consistently.
Turn out the lights....
No adjustments tonight.
It's early, but no hopeful signs.
We need shots going in.
Quote from: MUfan12 on December 17, 2020, 09:35:24 PM
Hall's guys play with an edge. Like MU teams used to.
The reason we don't like it is they beat us consistently.
Oh please....
MU's decision making is so bad. How is this the same team that beat Creighton? I can live with missed shots but the falling, kicking the ball all over, etc. There is no ball movement offensively. Wojo sucks again!
Quote from: forgetful on December 17, 2020, 09:34:26 PM
We just can't hit our open shots.
and they're hitting some tough ones on top of it. ughh... the lewis missed long 2, then missed 3 by koby straight to made contested 2 on the other end. ouch
Way to follow a big road win, guys.
Phantom offensive foul.
Quote from: MUfan12 on December 17, 2020, 09:35:24 PM
Hall's guys play with an edge. Like MU teams used to.
The reason we don't like it is they beat us consistently.
The one thing this team has been consistent at this year is playing with effort and an edge.
What erratic is our terrible ball control and streaky shooting.
I love the way we compete.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on December 17, 2020, 09:35:38 PM
Turn out the lights....
No adjustments tonight.
It's early, but no hopeful signs.
We need shots going in.
I love folks that turn out the lights with 1/4 of the game left...
Theo looks great.
They're still annoying even without Powell.
Offensively we have really, really bad Koby right now.
Crazy to say but right now our offensive focus should be inside outside Theo and Jamal every possession.
These game is agony inducing
Lot of time left only down 8. This could turn quickly.
They bury another wide open 3 and Dawson....throws the ball into jamals foot from 2 feet away???
That's the openist 3 I've ever seen.
Too fucking easy. They gave up that corner 3 with no resistance
Quote from: hairy worthen on December 17, 2020, 09:41:42 PM
Lot of time left only down 8. This could turn quickly.
I think I am now ready to call this one done.
Just embarrassing so far. The turnovers are gifting the game to SHU, the defense is giving up tons of wide open looks or token hands waving at the chest rather than in the shooter's face. Just getting out-toughed by Seton Hall at every turn.
Jamal has played hard tonight.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 17, 2020, 09:43:16 PM
I think I am now ready to call this one done.
Glad you're not the coach!
Young group struggling with physicality. UCLA and now SHU.
SHU has done a good job abusing our Freshmen on offensive. Our Frosh lose their assignments on rotations often.
They have also done a good job of flustering our young guys by pressuring them when they have the ball.
With a young team, the shorter cupcake season will hurt us.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 17, 2020, 09:44:30 PM
Just embarrassing so far. The turnovers are gifting the game to SHU, the defense is giving up tons of wide open looks or token hands waving at the chest rather than in the shooter's face. Just getting out-toughed by Seton Hall at every turn.
This wasn't unpredictable. They play this way every time. Coaching staff needs to better prepare them for this team. Always a bad matchup.
Mamu makes layups, Garcia does not
Hall makes wide open threes, MU does not.
Ballgame tonight has been the wide open three makes. Doubled, then kick outs.
Was a pattern last year that continues.
Would love for the NCAA to find something wrong with that program and come down hard.
Honestly, they've overtaken Wisconsin in terms of hatred. Willard is so trash.
Very physical game and Seton Hall has 7 fouls the entire game with 7 minutes left in the game.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 17, 2020, 09:44:57 PM
Glad you're not the coach!
Well I am not saying the team should quit lol.
Ive just lost hope that we can sustain a run after the first 8 4/5-0 spurts have been immediately thwarted.
The SH right in your face defense is really throwing us off tonight.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on December 17, 2020, 09:46:20 PM
Very physical game and Seton Hall has 7 fouls the entire game with 7 minutes left in the game.
Yeah. That's a problem. MU turnovers is the bigger problem.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 17, 2020, 09:46:05 PM
Would love for the NCAA to find something wrong with that program and come down hard.
Honestly, they've overtaken Wisconsin in terms of hatred. Willard is so trash.
100%. Wisconsin is a rivalry hatred.
SHU has 12 Davison level scumbags on scholarship. And I might be insulting the nut puncher.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 17, 2020, 09:47:42 PM
Yeah. That's a problem. MU turnovers is the bigger problem.
Indeed.
DJ is just yeeeeeeesh tonight.
Dude has a wide open lay up and did idk what with it.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 17, 2020, 09:44:30 PM
Just embarrassing so far. The turnovers are gifting the game to SHU, the defense is giving up tons of wide open looks or token hands waving at the chest rather than in the shooter's face. Just getting out-toughed by Seton Hall at every turn.
Last year's game at home against these guys was the worst defensive performance I ever remember from MU. Hall is basically running the same stuff, tons of wide open corner looks. Staff needs to figure that out.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 17, 2020, 09:47:42 PM
Yeah. That's a problem. MU turnovers is the bigger problem.
TO's are bad, But comparable between teams.
Us missing wide open shots, and a couple layups is killing us.
Since when can you call a timeout after falling down and traveling?
How could they give that timeout?
Travel by Aiken, travel by Rhoden
Absolutely no way that was a timeout and not a travel. Major bailout. Par for the course so far with these officials.
Travel?
And to say the refs were doing pretty damn good all night...
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 17, 2020, 09:53:35 PM
How could they give that timeout?
Same reason they felt it was Ok for Aiken to shove Cain to the floor with no call.
We've had a few chances. Couple missed bunnies and their lucky tip in that came off Lewis.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 17, 2020, 09:53:57 PM
Travel by Aiken, travel by Rhoden
Aiken's was pretty bad.
Mamu has gotten away with a couple too, he travels often on his spins.
Horseshit
Nice flop.
What an absurdly horrible call.
He flopped but that was a foul. Lowered his shoulder and extended his arm.
Who the unnatural carnal knowledge is Reynolds?
Who cares if its a flop. gonna be called everytime when a big does a power back down on a guy 9 inches shorter and 75lbs less. not single one on here comlains if the roles are reversed.
replay looked like he lowered his shoulder into him..
Tough call on Lewis in a very physical game. Might cost us the game.
That last 3...
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MU gets no love. That was a Grade A fucking flop!
Lol these refs. He blew the whistle before the catch.
Another Mamu kick out for three. All night long
Shame about Lewis, he lowered that shoulder. Not a horrible call. Complain when they call, complain when they don't.
And yes Koby traveled. Another shame. Those plays hurt.
Koby traveled but so did Seton Hall on multiple positions
Yeah don't blame the refs. Both of those were on MU.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 17, 2020, 10:03:22 PM
Koby traveled but so did Seton Hall on multiple positions
Yep that play happens 10x every game.
Quote from: nyg on December 17, 2020, 10:02:44 PM
Another Mamu kick out for three. All night long
Shame about Lewis, he lowered that shoulder. Not a horrible call. Complain when they call, complain when they don't.
And yes Koby traveled. Another shame. Those plays hurt.
It was a travel but they haven't been calling that travel all game. Mamu takes 3 steps on every spin move.
SHU on some of the handoffs have taken those same 3 steps.
If you are going to call it late, call it all game.
Quote from: MUBurrow on December 17, 2020, 10:04:04 PM
Yep that play happens 10x every game.
Not like that. Three steps after catching the ball? That was an obvious one.
Mamu lowered his shoulder on the last 3. But Dawson didn't go down. And if Dawson had gone down, they wouldn't have called it because Dawson shouldn't go down that easily.
That's my problem with the call against Lewis
Quote from: forgetful on December 17, 2020, 10:04:26 PM
It was a travel but they haven't been calling that travel all game. Mamu takes 3 steps on every spin move.
SHU on some of the handoffs have taken those same 3 steps.
If you are going to call it late, call it all game.
This. Refs letting Hall do whatever they want, but calling it super tight on MU when they need a big play.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 17, 2020, 10:04:52 PM
Not like that. Three steps after catching the ball? That was an obvious one.
Aiken's step back that he missed was at least 4 steps. But I agree that was the correct call
2 big mistakes on offense with Lewis amdkoby
Quote from: IL Warrior on December 17, 2020, 10:05:42 PM
This. Refs letting Hall do whatever they want, but calling it super tight on MU when they need a big play.
Cmon.
Honestly this fan base is absurd with the refs. A couple bad calls here and there (they're human), but that was a pretty well reffed game.
Pathetic effort tonight. You can't show up for the last 5 minutes and expect to get a win. Didn't remotely deserve to win. Terrible defense and worse offense.
Quote from: forgetful on December 17, 2020, 10:04:26 PM
It was a travel but they haven't been calling that travel all game. Mamu takes 3 steps on every spin move.
SHU on some of the handoffs have taken those same 3 steps.
If you are going to call it late, call it all game.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one thought Mamu traveled. I had thought at least 3 times in the first half.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 17, 2020, 10:09:24 PM
Cmon.
Honestly this fan base is absurd with the refs. A couple bad calls here and there (they're human), but that was a pretty well reffed game.
Refs weren't the problem tonight. Gifting SHU tons of extra possessions and wide open looks were.
Lewis offensive foul, followed by Carton losing his man at the 3 pt line and boom, all she wrote. Couldn't close. Resilient team but we didn't play well tonight.
We fought hard. Didn't shoot well enough. Couple of big mistakes at the end. Next game.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 17, 2020, 10:04:52 PM
Not like that. Three steps after catching the ball? That was an obvious one.
You may be right, I'll need to watch it again at full speed. I don't debate that it was technically a travel when you slow it down, but I was so keyed on the shot I wasn't watching his feet in real time to see if it was the "there's holding on every play" variety.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 17, 2020, 10:10:55 PM
Refs weren't the problem tonight. Gifting SHU tons of extra possessions and wide open looks were.
Yep.
Koby traveled. But I still hate that call on Lewis. Especially with how physical they let the game get (which is fine by me).
Quote from: MUfan12 on December 17, 2020, 10:15:01 PM
Koby traveled. But I still hate that call on Lewis. Especially with how physical they let the game get (which is fine by me).
Agree. Kobe probably traveled. But the non calls on a couple of Hall travels too UGH!!
SHU also benefitted from three or four completely lucky plays...the block by Garcia and they get a layup, two MU players trying to grab a rebound and a SHU player punches the ball in the air that goes in and the traditional 3 pt play with a phantom call on Kobe. MU deserved to lose but SHU got VERY fortunate.
Seton Hall, seven more points from the foul line.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on December 17, 2020, 10:16:46 PM
Agree. Kobe probably traveled. But the non calls on a couple of Hall travels UGH!!
Uh. No probably about it. He took three steps.
Quote from: muhoops1 on December 17, 2020, 10:16:50 PM
SHU also benefitted from three or four completely lucky plays...the block by Garcia and they get a layup, two MU players trying to grab a rebound and a SHU player punches the ball in the air that goes in and the traditional 3 pt play with a phantom call on Kobe. MU deserved to lose but SHU got VERY fortunate.
The play where Theo lost it, the ball got saved by a SH player, and then Theo somehow got it back and flipped it to a wide open Jamal for three was also pretty lucky. There's usually a few plays like that per team, per game.
Quote from: MUfan12 on December 17, 2020, 10:15:01 PM
Koby traveled. But I still hate that call on Lewis. Especially with how physical they let the game get (which is fine by me).
If he hadn't lowered and led with his shoulder it's a no call. Freshman mistake.
SHU also benefitted from three or four completely lucky plays...the block by Garcia and they get a layup, two MU players trying to grab a rebound and a SHU player punches the ball in the air that goes in and the traditional 3 pt play with a phantom call on Kobe. MU deserved to lose but SHU got VERY fortunate.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on December 17, 2020, 10:21:06 PM
The play where Theo lost it, the ball got saved by a SH player, and then Theo somehow got it back and flipped it to a wide open Jamal for three was also pretty lucky. There's usually a few plays like that per team, per game.
Fair point.
Well darn. Had fun watching it though
Quote from: Autoengineer on December 17, 2020, 10:09:55 PM
I'm glad I wasn't the only one thought Mamu traveled. I had thought at least 3 times in the first half.
Agree with Both of You, Hall got away with some travels but in deference to Wojo and some here and else where that were texting me Kobe that did not travel. Threw the probably in there but agree "Kobe traveled". But it is only a travel if it gets called and The Hall had a few that did not get called. But that said I thought the Refs were solid and decent. Continue to say Marquette is back, not Old Big East back but very close. Go Marquette Beat Xavier!
Quote from: IL Warrior on December 17, 2020, 10:05:42 PM
This. Refs letting Hall do whatever they want, but calling it super tight on MU when they need a big play.
You are correct.
The refs decided this game. It makes you wonder.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 17, 2020, 10:22:36 PM
If he hadn't lowered and led with his shoulder it's a no call. Freshman mistake.
Exactly. Pretty easy call on Lewis.
On the Koby travel, I think the refs allow the step to catch the ball but Koby took an extra one to shoot it. Wojo wasn't pleased nor was he postgame when asked but it was clearly a travel to me.
On the Seton Hall time out rolling on the floor...if the player had possession to call time out, he had possession to travel. Not a good call.
On the Koby foul, I saw the floor replay and thought it was a phantom call. My other text mates thought he hit the arm. Just goes to show that it was up to interpretation and you have to go with the ref who is right there in 3D.
I thought the ref grade overall was a A-. Consistent, let them play, not overlegislative. And I don't like Breeding.
MU is like a blind date. You probably aren't getting Cindy Crawford, but probably not Rosie O'Donnell either. You'll be able to get through the evening...the night won't be a disaster, but a 2nd date?...maybe...and it might be good. Then again, it could go all wrong.
Quote from: MUeng on December 17, 2020, 10:11:40 PM
Lewis offensive foul, followed by Carton losing his man at the 3 pt line and boom, all she wrote. Couldn't close. Resilient team but we didn't play well tonight.
On top of this, the play before both of these when we were down 1 point then as muhoops1 typed,
SHU also benefitted from three or four completely lucky plays...the block by Garcia and they get a layup, ..................................I stepped away from the game for a few minutes and came back and was surprised we were only down by 1. Then I saw the block and Seton Hall layup and thought it's just not our night?!?
Yeah, that great defensive play turned into a dagger against us. Sometimes...
I watched the replay of the Seton Hall "travel" and don't think it was a bad call by the refs. The guy didn't really have possession when he was sliding. Theo was also sliding around the floor a lot with the ball (the one where he got it in the backcourt before Carton got it stolen) and I thought that was a similar play.
It would have been nice to get a little home cooking on Koby and Lewis calls but they were the right calls, or at least not bad calls.
I can't believe the number of people pointing at the refs after all those turnovers and missed defensive assignments. And this is coming from someone who loves jumping on bad reffing.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 18, 2020, 10:05:12 AM
I can't believe the number of people pointing at the refs after all those turnovers and missed defensive assignments. And this is coming from someone who loves jumping on bad reffing.
Speaking of missed defense. How many times did Willard capitalize on our weak side defender closing in at the basket for an easy three from the wing?
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 18, 2020, 10:05:12 AM
I can't believe the number of people pointing at the refs after all those turnovers and missed defensive assignments. And this is coming from someone who loves jumping on bad reffing.
The refs were fine. Do I disagree with a couple of interpretations? Always. Did they dictate outcomes? Absolutely not.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 18, 2020, 10:08:32 AM
Speaking of missed defense. How many times did Willard capitalize on our weak side defender closing in at the basket for an easy three from the wing?
This has been a problem every game this year. Seems Wojo wants D to sag towards the lane from weak side and loads where ball is, thus leaving weak side 3 open.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 18, 2020, 10:05:12 AM
I can't believe the number of people pointing at the refs after all those turnovers and missed defensive assignments. And this is coming from someone who loves jumping on bad reffing.
So if we have a log of turnovers and missed defensive assignments, the refs can't be judged?
Quote from: We R Final Four on December 19, 2020, 09:25:01 AM
So if we have a log of turnovers and missed defensive assignments, the refs can't be judged?
Especially with Pomeroy's article on the diminished foul discrepancy of home vs. away teams being called on the home court during C19. A ref's call is a judgment and fans can weigh in on their observations. Refs are biased like the rest of us but they are also paid professionals.
That said, the Seton Hall refs were much, much better than the UCLA refs. MU lost because of MU vs. the Hall.
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 18, 2020, 08:41:08 PM
This has been a problem every game this year. Seems Wojo wants D to sag towards the lane from weak side and loads where ball is, thus leaving weak side 3 open.
This is what I discussed before the Creighton game that showed his defensive color in the first half and was down by 10 or 12. Second half they played more straight
up man and the open 3's were contested. Wojo's vital mistake in his defensive strategy is that the 3 is the main threat in college basketball. he has weakside zone
tendencies which leaves a wide open shooter. In todays basketball, the kids are to good when you leave a shooter wide open like MU does. Let the driver score a 2,
better then giving wide open 3's. Contested 3's are hard, if they make them, so be it, better team wins. But open 3's, hate his Defensive ideas. He should at least
watch Wisconsin and man up. Even Hall contested the 3's! MU does not.
Quote from: We R Final Four on December 19, 2020, 09:25:01 AM
So if we have a log of turnovers and missed defensive assignments, the refs can't be judged?
My point is that they were not the reason we lost. Our own play was the reason.