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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: wadesworld on December 08, 2020, 09:42:36 PM

Title: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: wadesworld on December 08, 2020, 09:42:36 PM
Koby

Pipes
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: GB Warrior on December 08, 2020, 09:43:06 PM
What on earth was in Koby's water?
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on December 08, 2020, 09:43:21 PM
Another easy one.

Koby.

Lock it in and let's move on to UCLA
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: Afroman on December 08, 2020, 09:51:54 PM
Markus who?

Just kidding.

Koby was great.
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: dgies9156 on December 08, 2020, 09:52:24 PM
Koby with a call out to Dawson and theo
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on December 08, 2020, 09:53:07 PM
Quote from: GB Warrior on December 08, 2020, 09:43:06 PM
What on earth was in Koby's water?
0% Markus
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: mileskishnish72 on December 08, 2020, 09:54:22 PM
No brainer. Kob.
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: We R Final Four on December 08, 2020, 09:56:33 PM
Leading scorer.
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: Jockey on December 08, 2020, 09:58:05 PM
Another no-brainer.

Classy kid. Hope he has many more games like this.
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: ChitownSpaceForRent on December 08, 2020, 09:58:28 PM
Kobe with an "E" tonight.
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 08, 2020, 09:58:54 PM
.76 PPM
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: Xact on December 08, 2020, 10:01:03 PM
Koby. Good night. He let the game come to him.
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 08, 2020, 10:02:07 PM
Koby was great - did a nice interview with Lavin afterwards, too.

Nobody else was better than "fair".
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 08, 2020, 10:02:42 PM
Koby. Has adjusted nicely. A LOT more confident and in control this year
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: Judge Smails on December 08, 2020, 10:07:19 PM
Koby was interviewed on FS1 after the game. Seems like a really nice kid.
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: fjm on December 08, 2020, 10:08:39 PM
Good for Koby. He needed this.

It's great to see so many people have great games early. No one stand out is good. That's gotta give all the players confidence.
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: war1980rior on December 08, 2020, 10:15:17 PM
Koby.  Really liked his interview.

Thought early on it might be Dawson again, but Koby carried them tonight.  Solid night for Theo. 
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: Carl on December 08, 2020, 10:23:46 PM
Quote from: war1980rior on December 08, 2020, 10:15:17 PM
Koby.  Really liked his interview.

Thought early on it might be Dawson again, but Koby carried them tonight.  Solid night for Theo.

My thoughts exactly
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: brewcity77 on December 08, 2020, 10:34:11 PM
Early on looked like Dawson, but Koby just took over in the second half when Green Bay made their pushes. Every time they took a punch, Koby had the counter-punch.
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: CountryRoads on December 08, 2020, 10:55:24 PM
I thought Koby has been good the last two games. Picked his spots tonight and took over and also played within himself against UW.
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: MU82 on December 08, 2020, 11:24:58 PM
Koby has had a solid season, and there obviously is no other possibility for SOTG here.
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 08, 2020, 11:47:02 PM
Koby for not only the points but the 4 dimes and 0 turnovers.

The Koby we are getting this season is the one I thought we would get last season.
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: The Sultan on December 09, 2020, 05:54:01 AM
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 08, 2020, 10:55:24 PM
I thought Koby has been good the last two games. Picked his spots tonight and took over and also played within himself against UW.


Yep.  I think Koby has been real solid so far. 
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: brewcity77 on December 09, 2020, 06:21:00 AM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 08, 2020, 11:47:02 PM
Koby for not only the points but the 4 dimes and 0 turnovers.

The Koby we are getting this season is the one I thought we would get last season.

I am reminded of how we have often maligned transfers that didn't fit in right away. Guys like Luke Fischer, that are immediate impact transfers, seem rare here. Most are like Reinhardt, Carlino, or Lockett, where it takes a month or two before they start to contribute consistently. I think that allowed for longer leashes initially for guys like Chartouny and McEwen, but when neither really produced in the back half, we just assumed they wouldn't work out. Maybe Koby just needed longer to make that adjustment.

Thinking about those long transitions also gives me hope that DJ Carton, who has certainly shown flashes but hasn't been the immediate every night impact player we hoped for, will be rounding into full form in the next month or so.
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on December 09, 2020, 06:25:15 AM
Koby played great. He looks like an NBA guard.
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: The Sultan on December 09, 2020, 06:35:33 AM
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on December 09, 2020, 06:25:15 AM
Koby played great. He looks like an NBA guard.

I don't know about that.  He's a good college player but would be pretty run of the mill in the NBA.  Not terribly quick.  Not much of a handle.  Would need to become a more consistent scorer.
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 09, 2020, 06:42:02 AM
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 09, 2020, 06:35:33 AM
I don't know about that.  He's a good college player but would be pretty run of the mill in the NBA.  Not terribly quick.  Not much of a handle.  Would need to become a more consistent scorer.

Sounds like Dwight Buycks.
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: The Sultan on December 09, 2020, 06:43:45 AM
That would be his ceiling IMO.
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: brewcity77 on December 09, 2020, 06:51:56 AM
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 09, 2020, 06:43:45 AM
That would be his ceiling IMO.

That could be his ceiling, but I feel like he's further along as a collegian than Dwight ever was when he was here. Dwight always played a bit reckless, like he was still on the playground.

As far as the NBA, the key for Dwight was embracing that he had to become a PG and spending time in Europe honing those skills. Koby would likely have to go through a similar improvement when it comes to his distribution.
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: The Sultan on December 09, 2020, 07:34:16 AM
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 09, 2020, 06:51:56 AM
That could be his ceiling, but I feel like he's further along as a collegian than Dwight ever was when he was here. Dwight always played a bit reckless, like he was still on the playground.

As far as the NBA, the key for Dwight was embracing that he had to become a PG and spending time in Europe honing those skills. Koby would likely have to go through a similar improvement when it comes to his distribution.

I meant his ceiling as an NBA player but yeah I agree with you completely
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: The Big East on December 09, 2020, 08:25:39 AM
Koby McEwen
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: DoctorV on December 09, 2020, 08:58:03 AM
Koby. Looked great, the team can use more of that guy.

I told my wife when I realized that he looked comfortable and in control out there that this could be one of the 3/4 games this year that he plays great, and then just reverts back to same ol Koby for the rest of em.

I really hope he proves me wrong. It would be really good for this years team if he was a steady good presence and took on that bulldog senior leadership role with Theo.

To his credit, Koby almost always plays good defense and rebounds well. He always looks like he's putting in max effort and wants to win badly. When his shot is on and he's playing composed and doesn't look to be in his head he can be very good, we got that last night.

Im honestly not sure which way his season will go- I'd still wager that we get more of the 3/4 good games Koby than the surprisingly good senior season version. That said, if we could get the 3-4 last night type game Koby in combination with the steady, plays within himself and towards his strengths Koby for two thirds of the conference games Id take it in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: Markusquette on December 09, 2020, 09:06:12 AM
Quote from: mjmjun26 on December 08, 2020, 10:07:19 PM
Koby was interviewed on FS1 after the game. Seems like a really nice kid.

Like how he couldn't contain his laughter after mentioning the older guys probably don't listen to the younger generation music he listens to before the games.
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: dgies9156 on December 09, 2020, 09:08:09 AM
Quote from: Markusquette on December 09, 2020, 09:06:12 AM
Like how he couldn't contain his laughter after mentioning the older guys probably don't listen to the younger generation music he listens to before the games.

Yeah, like I'll bet Lavin listens to Drake before every game he calls  LOL!.
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: Jockey on December 09, 2020, 11:17:01 AM
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 09, 2020, 06:42:02 AM
Sounds like Dwight Buycks.

Except it doesn't. Buycks was very quick and had a good handle.
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: brewcity77 on December 09, 2020, 11:20:03 AM
Quote from: Jockey on December 09, 2020, 11:17:01 AM
Except it doesn't. Buycks was very quick and had a good handle.

Buycks was always quick, but I think his handle really improved overseas. He was a bit reckless here but got his cup of coffee in the NBA and has been one of the best TBT players because of that development after he left Marquette.
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: fjm on December 09, 2020, 11:28:06 AM
Koby looked refreshed.

Still haven't seen him do the half court pass 2 feet too high into the stands yet this year. That's a good feeling.
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: Skatastrophy on December 09, 2020, 11:40:52 AM
Quote from: fjm on December 09, 2020, 11:28:06 AM
Koby looked refreshed.


Koby looked like he didn't get too tilted all game.

His challenges seem to be mental, not physical. If he can keep a cooler head, or if he can channel his frustration into competitive drive, he will be great.
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 09, 2020, 12:06:51 PM
Quote from: Jockey on December 09, 2020, 11:17:01 AM
Except it doesn't. Buycks was very quick and had a good handle.

Buycks senior year his turnover rate was 26%.  If that is your definition of "good handle" I see visions of Louisville dancing in my head.

Koby's senior year so far he has a 15% turnover rate.
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 09, 2020, 12:27:12 PM
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 09, 2020, 12:06:51 PM
Buycks senior year his turnover rate was 26%.  If that is your definition of "good handle" I see visions of Louisville dancing in my head.

Koby's senior year so far he has a 15% turnover rate.

Was just about to bring that up about Buycks at Ville
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: MU82 on December 09, 2020, 12:45:43 PM
This SOTG choice is so obvious that I expect somebody to nominate Matt Heldt.
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: We R Final Four on December 09, 2020, 01:14:18 PM
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on December 09, 2020, 06:35:33 AM
I don't know about that.  He's a good college player but would be pretty run of the mill in the NBA.  Not terribly quick.  Not much of a handle.  Would need to become a more consistent scorer.
Isnt a run of the mill NBA guard........still in the NBA?
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: Jockey on December 09, 2020, 01:20:06 PM
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 09, 2020, 12:06:51 PM
Buycks senior year his turnover rate was 26%.  If that is your definition of "good handle" I see visions of Louisville dancing in my head.

Koby's senior year so far he has a 15% turnover rate.

Non-passive PGs (or forwards) are going to turn the ball over.
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: tower912 on December 09, 2020, 01:39:23 PM
Prime cut of Koby beef. 
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 09, 2020, 02:18:55 PM
Quote from: Jockey on December 09, 2020, 01:20:06 PM
Non-passive PGs (or forwards) are going to turn the ball over.

I guess Travis (15.6% senior year) and Dom (15.9%) were non-passive, then.
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: naginiF on December 09, 2020, 02:36:46 PM
Quote from: Skatastrophy on December 09, 2020, 11:40:52 AM
Koby looked like he didn't get too tilted all game.

His challenges seem to be mental, not physical. If he can keep a cooler head, or if he can channel his frustration into competitive drive, he will be great.
when he didn't get the foul call on the bank-in 3 I thought "whelp, that's going to do him in" based on his body language. Last year it would've hopefully you are correct and he's learned to use it to fuel the competitiveness.
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 09, 2020, 03:53:12 PM
Quote from: Jockey on December 09, 2020, 01:20:06 PM
Non-passive PGs (or forwards) are going to turn the ball over.

Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 09, 2020, 02:18:55 PM
I guess Travis (15.6% senior year) and Dom (15.9%) were non-passive, then.

Not to mention Markus last year (15.2%)
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: Jockey on December 09, 2020, 04:08:59 PM
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 09, 2020, 03:53:12 PM
Not to mention Markus last year (15.2%)

Context matters though. In their 1st year in the program, Markus turned the ball over more in fewer minutes per game.

Dwight only played 2years. Comparing that to stats of guys in their 3rd and 4th years isn't quite the same.
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: wadesworld on December 09, 2020, 04:11:37 PM
Quote from: Jockey on December 09, 2020, 04:08:59 PM
Context matters though. In their 1st year in the program, Markus turned the ball over more in fewer minutes per game.

Dwight only played 2years. Comparing that to stats of guys in their 3rd and 4th years isn't quite the same.

Dwight was 22 years old his playing his senior season. Not sure it makes more sense to compare that to a 17 year old freshman Markus than it does to compare a 21 year old senior Markus.
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 09, 2020, 04:53:53 PM
Quote from: BLM on December 09, 2020, 04:11:37 PM
Dwight was 22 years old his playing his senior season. Not sure it makes more sense to compare that to a 17 year old freshman Markus than it does to compare a 21 year old senior Markus.

Plus, Buycks played four years of college too, under two systems just as Koby did.  All numbers are from senior year, the season NBA scouts are deep into evaluations.
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 09, 2020, 04:57:28 PM
Quote from: dgies9156 on December 09, 2020, 09:08:09 AM
Yeah, like I'll bet Lavin listens to Drake before every game he calls  LOL!.

When Lavin mentioned Bossa Nova music in his "favorites" I literally laughed out loud.
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on December 09, 2020, 05:04:08 PM
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 09, 2020, 04:57:28 PM
When Lavin mentioned Bossa Nova music in his "favorites" I literally laughed out loud.

Steve knows Bossa Nova

(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0f/ed/48/0fed4887ce7844bcaefb26191dac797a.jpg)
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: Jockey on December 09, 2020, 05:54:21 PM
Quote from: BLM on December 09, 2020, 04:11:37 PM
Dwight was 22 years old his playing his senior season. Not sure it makes more sense to compare that to a 17 year old freshman Markus than it does to compare a 21 year old senior Markus.

Bingo.

That's my point. You can't just make straight player-to-player evaluations.
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: Badgerhater on December 09, 2020, 06:11:48 PM
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 09, 2020, 12:06:51 PM
Buycks senior year his turnover rate was 26%.  If that is your definition of "good handle" I see visions of Louisville dancing in my head.

Koby's senior year so far he has a 15% turnover rate.

There was many a game where I yelled at my TV, "Damnit Buycks!"
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: MU82 on December 09, 2020, 06:31:03 PM
Quote from: Badgerhater on December 09, 2020, 06:11:48 PM
There was many a game where I yelled at my TV, "Damnit Buycks!"

Me too, none louder than after the Louisville game.

I was stunned when I heard he had signed a 10-day contract with an NBA team, and then again when he actually was able to stick on a roster. But it shows that guys do improve. I mean, look at Juan. I doubt there is a single Scooper who thought he'd ever play 1 second of NBA ball.
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: MU Fan in Connecticut on December 09, 2020, 07:25:05 PM
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 09, 2020, 04:57:28 PM
When Lavin mentioned Bossa Nova music in his "favorites" I literally laughed out loud.

I was wondering why he wasn't in the studio but if he's going to keep making comments like this is going to be a great season of FS1 games.
Title: Re: Phoenix SOTG
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 09, 2020, 10:47:56 PM
Quote from: Jockey on December 09, 2020, 05:54:21 PM
Bingo.

That's my point. You can't just make straight player-to-player evaluations.

That's fine. Cause our point was that Dwight had a bad handle.
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