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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: jesmu84 on October 31, 2020, 03:52:44 PM
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S2E1 was good. Felt a little similar to the one with the rhino and sand people. Love Timothy Olyphant. Perfect casting. Was that Boba? Seeing as how it's the actor who played Jango and Boba was a clone.
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I was a little bit underwhelmed. I know that it takes the long view of story telling, but I am not sure how this advanced the narrative. I also found myself thinking about Yondu's Yaka arrow and even the cheeseball classic 'Tremors'. The only really cool part was the very last few seconds.
Of course I will be watching next week.
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Lots of shoutouts to the non-movie canon of Star Wars. Cobb Vanth is covered pretty extensively in the Aftermath books and the Krayt Dragon and its pearl are also deep dives.
I’m assuming that’s Boba Fett at the end and I’m not all that interested in him but if it fits within this story, it’ll be fine.
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Lots of shoutouts to the non-movie canon of Star Wars. Cobb Vanth is covered pretty extensively in the Aftermath books and the Krayt Dragon and its pearl are also deep dives.
I’m assuming that’s Boba Fett at the end and I’m not all that interested in him but if it fits within this story, it’ll be fine.
Any KOTOR fans out there?
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I was a little bit underwhelmed. I know that it takes the long view of story telling, but I am not sure how this advanced the narrative. I also found myself thinking about Yondu's Yaka arrow and even the cheeseball classic 'Tremors'. The only really cool part was the very last few seconds.
Of course I will be watching next week.
Good episode, but this was my view. In fact, not quite sure what the narrative is, but the closing seconds of this will keep me locked in.
I keep thinking how much happier I'd have been with the final trilogy with Favreau producing instead.
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Lots of shoutouts to the non-movie canon of Star Wars. Cobb Vanth is covered pretty extensively in the Aftermath books and the Krayt Dragon and its pearl are also deep dives.
I’m assuming that’s Boba Fett at the end and I’m not all that interested in him but if it fits within this story, it’ll be fine.
Didn't Boba fall into the Sarlak pit in the beginning of Return of the Jedi?
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Didn't Boba fall into the Sarlak pit in the beginning of Return of the Jedi?
Yes. The story is the Jawas salvaged his armor and swapped it to Cobb Vanth, leaving Boba Fett’s fate unknown
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Just watched it. Decent episode, I'm a bit confused because I recall reading that something said in the first season made Jango Fett and thus Bobba Fett are now not Mandalorians. So finding Bobba Fett wouldn't necessarily advance his quest to find other mandalorians right? Unless there's a redemption arc coming for Bobba
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I was hoping this thread was about the time machine from Back to the Future. :(
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Man. DeLorean jokes.
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Likely Boba Fett is a red herring. Boba's armor is Mandalorian but Boba himself isn't as far as we've been told (Jango wasn't either). The person at the end was likely (IMO) Captain Rex (clone who eliminated his Order 66 chip) and by extension ends up being the link to Ashoka Tano(played by Rosario Dawson supposedly).
Admittedly this is a bit of a bottle episode but not every episode needs to remove smoke from the map
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Two 'Perils of Pauline' episodes. No plot advancement. Other than establishing that Mando has a record with the Republic. And they found a guy who was a ringer for Porkins.
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Two 'Perils of Pauline' episodes. No plot advancement. Other than establishing that Mando has a record with the Republic. And they found a guy who was a ringer for Porkins.
I’m not sure the frog doesn’t advance the plot. Trailers showed Mando on her world as we saw her carrying her eggs to somewhere
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I did like how the lady frog got the droid running and translating.
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Finally, a plot driven episode.
Anyone else feel like this series is just one big retcon to explain why there was a sequel trilogy?
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Finally, a plot driven episode.
Anyone else feel like this series is just one big retcon to explain why there was a sequel trilogy?
Feels more connected to the animated series than the sequels based on characters
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Feels more connected to the animated series than the sequels based on characters
I'm vaguely familiar with them and might have to finally watch them.
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I'm vaguely familiar with them and might have to finally watch them.
There are some YouTube videos you can find that explain Mandalore, Mandalorian society and Ahsoka Tano’s connection with them since she’s going to be part of the series at some point. Dave Filoni was the show runner for the animated shows and is heavily involved in this series. They should really give him the Kevin Feige Marvel role as far as the Star Wars universe is concerned
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So this is interesting as I always thought Din was going to be the heir to the dark saber but it sounds like it's actually supposed to go to this new mandalorian heiress?
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So this is interesting as I always thought Din was going to be the heir to the dark saber but it sounds like it's actually supposed to go to this new mandalorian heiress?
She was in possession of it before Moff Gideon took it
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Fingers crossed we get a live action Sabine Wren
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Could someone who's more knowledgeable about what's canon and what isn't tell me if we might see darth maul? My friend told me he apperently didn't die and conquered mandalor?
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Could someone who's more knowledgeable about what's canon and what isn't tell me if we might see darth maul? My friend told me he apperently didn't die and conquered mandalor?
He’s dead in this timeline
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He’s dead in this timeline
Didn't Solo indicate he survived beyond Phantom Menace?
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Didn't Solo indicate he survived beyond Phantom Menace?
He did but he didn’t make it to A New Hope. This timeline is post Return of the Jedi
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This season is getting good. But now I have to binge watch Clone Wars to get the back story. I'm only vaguely familiar with it.
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This season is getting good. But now I have to binge watch Clone Wars to get the back story. I'm only vaguely familiar with it.
Good integration of Ahsoka. Baby Yoda having a name is nice, too. Tied up some loose ends while opening a world(s) of possibilities.
Will be curious if they ever pursue a spin-off with Bo-Katan and/or Ahsoka
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With as good/well done as the Mandalorian is, disney should be absolutely ashamed at how the sequels turned out.
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With as good/well done as the Mandalorian is, disney should be absolutely ashamed at how the sequels turned out.
Agree 100%. They needed a Kevin Feige from day 1 to make sure everyone was on the same page. I think this series will tie up some of the questionable decisions or try to. Give Filoni and Favreau the keys to the property.
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Thrawn?!?!? Wow. They are certainly digging deep into the canon.
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Thrawn?!?!? Wow. They are certainly digging deep into the canon.
He was in “Rebels” on Cartoon Network. Pretty long storyline outside Heir to the Empire. Disney wants the buzz to open some more possible live action series and I’m all in
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Good integration of Ahsoka. Baby Yoda having a name is nice, too. Tied up some loose ends while opening a world(s) of possibilities.
Will be curious if they ever pursue a spin-off with Bo-Katan and/or Ahsoka
Not sure about Bo-Katan, but rumors say they are planning a solo series for Ahsoka starring Rosario Dawson.
https://screenrant.com/star-wars-ahsoka-tv-show-disney-plus-rumor/
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Finally watched the latest episode. I have to imagine this series sets up to leave the Jedi vs sith world behind right? If it doesn't they basically are saying Luke and Leia screwed up and couldn't find supposedly an extremely force sensitive child not to mention the implication that the guy who supposedly was supposed to resurrect the Jedi missed out on at least one huge asset in that mission (Ashoka) or Maybe more.
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Finally watched the latest episode. I have to imagine this series sets up to leave the Jedi vs sith world behind right? If it doesn't they basically are saying Luke and Leia screwed up and couldn't find supposedly an extremely force sensitive child not to mention the implication that the guy who supposedly was supposed to resurrect the Jedi missed out on at least one huge asset in that mission (Ashoka) or Maybe more.
Just like Rian Johnson tried to do... Hmm...
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Yesterday’s episode 🤯
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That moved the plot forward.
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That really came out of left field
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I'm not a fan of Boba Fett, so his presence is a negative for me.
He was an ancillary character that for some reason developed a fan boy following, I guess because he looked cool. The Jango Fett & Boba Fett backstory from the prequels never felt right to me.
Now, the character is being further developed and I personally don't like it. The Boba Fett story arc feels completely disjointed, from his prequel beginnings to the OT to Mandalorian. It doesn't feel like one seamless character, but rather 3 separate characters.
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I'm not a fan of Boba Fett, so his presence is a negative for me.
He was an ancillary character that for some reason developed a fan boy following, I guess because he looked cool. The Jango Fett & Boba Fett backstory from the prequels never felt right to me.
Now, the character is being further developed and I personally don't like it. The Boba Fett story arc feels completely disjointed, from his prequel beginnings to the OT to Mandalorian. It doesn't feel like one seamless character, but rather 3 separate characters.
There's a decent amount of Boba in the clone wars.
Plus he's almost the basis for Mandalorians themselves.
So, it 100% makes sense.
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Clearly setting up an additional Jedi to come train Grogu. Just throwing something up at the wall, but maybe sets the table to introduce Ezra Bridger to take over the training of Grogu, they spin off for a show, then Mando can start new adventures without being tied to the fate of BY.
As for the rest of the season, just get the whole band back together, Dune, Karga, Bo-Katan, Fennec, Boba, Mayfeld, Ashoka...for good old battle with Moff Gideon and his Darktroopers.
There's a decent amount of Boba in the clone wars.
Plus he's almost the basis for Mandalorians themselves.
So, it 100% makes sense.
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Maybe Cameron Monaghan reprises his character from the video game?
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Clearly setting up an additional Jedi to come train Grogu. Just throwing something up at the wall, but maybe sets the table to introduce Ezra Bridger to take over the training of Grogu, they spin off for a show, then Mando can start new adventures without being tied to the fate of BY.
As for the rest of the season, just get the whole band back together, Dune, Karga, Bo-Katan, Fennec, Boba, Mayfeld, Ashoka...for good old battle with Moff Gideon and his Darktroopers.
I assume that is pretty close to where we end this
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But the big battle is probably a season away. No way they can set that up in the next two episodes.
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But the big battle is probably a season away. No way they can set that up in the next two episodes.
I mean, next episode recruiting “the gang” season finale big fight makes sense to me, probably with a surprise appearance from a Jedi.
Probably get another season of Gideon, but I can see this arc wrapping up with a big battle in the finale.
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I mean, next episode recruiting “the gang” season finale big fight makes sense to me, probably with a surprise appearance from a Jedi.
Probably get another season of Gideon, but I can see this arc wrapping up with a big battle in the finale.
Giancarlo Esposito has said Gideon will be back in season 3
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Boba unnatural carnal knowledgeing Fett. Incredible.
He has a huge following because he’s a badass. He was done wrong in RotJ.
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Well...
Disney announced an Ashoka Tano spinoff series which probably keeps Thrawn out of the Mandalorian for now.
Also announced:
- Kenobi mini-series based 10 years after Revenge of the Sith, will include Hayden Christiansen
- Cassian Andor mini-series
- Rangers of the New Republic, also a Mandalorian spinoff
- Also, a Lando mini-series
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Well...
Disney announced an Ashoka Tano spinoff series which probably keeps Thrawn out of the Mandalorian for now.
Also announced:
- Kenobi mini-series based 10 years after Revenge of the Sith, will include Hayden Christiansen
- Cassian Andor mini-series
- Rangers of the New Republic, also a Mandalorian spinoff
- Also, a Lando mini-series
They had to include Hayden Christiansen... ugh
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Also announced:
The Acolyte- a series about the dark side and the High Republic
Rogue Squadron - A movie from Patty Jenkins
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This all seems a bit excessive...
...(ducks)
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This all seems a bit excessive...
...(ducks)
I think it’s workable since it’ll all be on Disney+ except for the Patty Jenkins film. Streaming allows you so much more flexibility as a viewer
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Glad to hear Lando is back.
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I like the new programming. The SW universe is a big place with a lot of stories to tell. Incorporating streaming series and miniseries allows you to do things you can't do in a movie.
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This all seems a bit excessive...
...(ducks)
I agree. When does the Frog family get their own spinoff?
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I agree. When does the Frog family get their own spinoff?
The Frog Family was god damn heartwarming, you callous clown.
Anyways, fun to see Bill Burr back. I’m always surprised when he can act well.
Hoping the helmet coming off doesn’t become a thing. Did Pedro have an issue not being seen? Are they shifting this to a helmet-less Mando over time?
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I seem to recall Pedro wants the helmet to come off more often.
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Based on the way things are going, and the recent announcements of the new projects, I think season 3 will be the last one for Mando.
Cara and Fenneck spinoff into Rangers, with Mando an occasional guest star. Maybe Mando even shows up on the Ashoka show.
I think that is the model going forward. 3 years, 3 acts, and move on to the next story.
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I think they're setting up him taking off his helmet to mean he'll more likely to join Bo Katans possy than join back with the watch later. Who knows where he lands with Fet.
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I seem to recall Pedro wants the helmet to come off more often.
I read somewhere in order to be up for awards, they have to show his face. Not sure if that’s still the case.
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WOW!!! What an episode. I have to rewatch it to process everything.
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FYI-
There is an after credit scene. I didn't realize it until I read about the scene online.
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Wow! That was awesome.
Thanks for the heads up on the after credit scene.
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What just happened?! Did they end the arc to set up a get back mandalore arc? Is it going to be a jump to the future? So many questions!
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What just happened?! Did they end the arc to set up a get back mandalore arc? Is it going to be a jump to the future? So many questions!
Bo-Kahtan be PIIISSSSSSSEEEDDDDD.
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Give Favreau and Filoni the keys and get out of the way
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Not going to lie I haven't been this excited about a show since back when game of thrones was still good.
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Give Favreau and Filoni the keys and get out of the way
This
To hell with Kathleen Kennedy and JJ and whoever else was part of that crap
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Well done. Conflict for next year set up. Mark Hamill did them a proper.
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This is all very interesting to me.
Mrs. 82 and I just watched S2 E8. She hadn't seen the first season, so we watched that together last week and then watched S2 this week, capped by the finale tonight.
I like Star Wars, but I am not steeped in the SW lore. Except for the obvious mainstay characters from the 4-5-6 trilogy, I don't know most of the names by heart.
I really enjoyed The Mandalorian. I thought it was one of the best things I saw in 2019, and now it is again in 2020. I liked it for itself -- kind of an old Western serial, complete with that kind of soundtrack. A compelling "strong silent type" lead, a compelling story, compelling villains, compelling sidekicks. My wife, who has probably seen a total of 4 hours of Star Wars movies, also liked it for what it was, and of course loved Baby Yoda/Grogu. She also commented several times about how strong the women are.
So it can be enjoyed on her not-really-a-SW-fan level, my SW-fan-but-not-fanboy level, as well as the level that most of you here are at. Which I think is a sign of very good storytelling and just enough character development.
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Like father like son
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So many levels of holy s**t. Just incredible. I kept thinking "who is the Jedi" never really thinking it would be Luke. And the CGI replication has really improved since we first saw Grand Moff Tarkin redone. And I'm amazed they sat on the Book of Boba Fett with all last week's announcements. Very well done. Amazing production so far and only makes me more excited going forward.
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So many levels of holy s**t. Just incredible. I kept thinking "who is the Jedi" never really thinking it would be Luke.
That's funny, because as soon as I saw the X-wing zipping in, I said: "Well, here comes the cavalry. Must be Luke." Sometimes it helps to only know a couple dozen characters ... I don't think as much - ha!
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It’s striking (on one side almost embarrassing) how much better things are with Favreau driving. I assumed Luke was going to show up after episode 6, and it was well done.
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It’s striking (on one side almost embarrassing) how much better things are with Favreau driving. I assumed Luke was going to show up after episode 6, and it was well done.
Luke was in the back of my mind since episode 6. But I still wasn't sure they would go there.
Other thoughts:
Even though I don't like Boba Fett, I am glad he is getting his own spinoff. That way I don't have to watch him. If you're into Boba, enjoy.
I'm glad the Grogu storyline was wrapped up quickly. Better than dragging things out season after season. They also set up next season nicely. There is some tension between Mando and Bo-Katan over the Dark Saber, but they left things pretty open and didn't box themselves in plot wise.
Mando taking off his mask to show Grogu his face was such a powerful moment. My only complaint: The audience has already seen Mando's face twice. That should have been the first time the audience saw his face, making the moment that much more powerful. But alas, here we are.
So many epic fight seems! Mando vs Dark Trooper, Mando vs Moff Gideon, and, of course, Luke motherf*cking Skywalker! Great job topping each epic fight with an even more epic fight.
Despite how maligned both the PT and ST are, the TV and web series have been great. 5 episodes into Clone Wars and I like how things are going. I'll be binge watch The Clone Wars and Rebels series until new content comes out.
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I really thought having Luke was just too big for this. I'm used to crossovers like Agents of SHIELD, where you might get a look at Sif, but you'll never see Captain America or Iron Man. Or the Netflix Marvel shows that always alluded to the movies but were never actually merged with them. Seeing this actual interconnectivity working and knowing the same thing is coming to the MCU feels very new and exciting to me.
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Luke was in the back of my mind since episode 6. But I still wasn't sure they would go there.
Other thoughts:
Even though I don't like Boba Fett, I am glad he is getting his own spinoff. That way I don't have to watch him. If you're into Boba, enjoy.
I'm glad the Grogu storyline was wrapped up quickly. Better than dragging things out season after season. They also set up next season nicely. There is some tension between Mando and Bo-Katan over the Dark Saber, but they left things pretty open and didn't box themselves in plot wise.
Mando taking off his mask to show Grogu his face was such a powerful moment. My only complaint: The audience has already seen Mando's face twice. That should have been the first time the audience saw his face, making the moment that much more powerful. But alas, here we are.
So many epic fight seems! Mando vs Dark Trooper, Mando vs Moff Gideon, and, of course, Luke motherf*cking Skywalker! Great job topping each epic fight with an even more epic fight.
Despite how maligned both the PT and ST are, the TV and web series have been great. 5 episodes into Clone Wars and I like how things are going. I'll be binge watch The Clone Wars and Rebels series until new content comes out.
Clone Wars really adds to the Prequels. It adds a lot of depth to the characters and introduces some fun ones. I enjoyed Rebels as well.
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Are we sure Boba is getting his own show? Me thinks Disney is throwing a curveball, and Chapter 17 is a Boba episode. It’s already been announced that the show wouldn’t come back until December 2021.
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Are we sure Boba is getting his own show? Me thinks Disney is throwing a curveball, and Chapter 17 is a Boba episode. It’s already been announced that the show wouldn’t come back until December 2021.
I think they are keeping their options open, as they could easily just make a movie, a "super" episode that is like an hour and 15 min...
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Are we sure Boba is getting his own show? Me thinks Disney is throwing a curveball, and Chapter 17 is a Boba episode. It’s already been announced that the show wouldn’t come back until December 2021.
Yes. The post credits scene said as much.
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Are we sure Boba is getting his own show? Me thinks Disney is throwing a curveball, and Chapter 17 is a Boba episode. It’s already been announced that the show wouldn’t come back until December 2021.
I had read Pedro Pascal hadn’t signed his contract for season 3 yet. Then later saw a tweet announcing that he will continue as Din in future Star Wars projects. It was vague if that meant season 3 of Mandalorian or as a guest in other spin-offs.
It sounds like Boba Fett will have his own show and Mandalorian will continue on its own.
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Yes. The post credits scene said as much.
That’s what I’m saying, they might be throwing you off the scent. Favreau and Filoni won’t comment.
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The way this is worded, it makes me think the Boba Fett series is in addition to Mandalorian.
https://twitter.com/starwars/status/1341013938570371072?s=21
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The way this is worded, it makes me think the Boba Fett series is in addition to Mandalorian.
https://twitter.com/starwars/status/1341013938570371072?s=21
You've got it. Favreau has done the PR tour today to confirm it's a series on its own.
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I hope there continues to be a lot of crossover in the worlds. Especially with Fett's new series. I was hoping thered be a bit more of a redemption arc for him rejoining the mandalorians or at least aiding the taking back of Mandalore
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I hope there continues to be a lot of crossover in the worlds. Especially with Fett's new series. I was hoping thered be a bit more of a redemption arc for him rejoining the mandalorians or at least aiding the taking back of Mandalore
Favreau made it clear that the Boba Fett series is concurrent with the Mandalorian timeline so I'd imagine we'll see your hopes come to fruition even if it's only one or two episodes of crossover.
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Favreau made it clear that the Boba Fett series is concurrent with the Mandalorian timeline so I'd imagine we'll see your hopes come to fruition even if it's only one or two episodes of crossover.
Sort of imagining it'll be similar to the DC television universe where arrow flash etc all pop in occasionally
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Sort of imagining it'll be similar to the DC television universe where arrow flash etc all pop in occasionally
Similar to the way the MCU is going forward, with Monica Rambeau in WandaVision, Wanda in Dr Strange, Kamala Khan in Captain Marvel 2, Strange in Spider-Man 3, Banner in She-Hulk, and potentially Matt Murdock showing up with both Spidey & She-Hulk, etc.
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Similar to the way the MCU is going forward, with Monica Rambeau in WandaVision, Wanda in Dr Strange, Kamala Khan in Captain Marvel 2, Strange in Spider-Man 3, Banner in She-Hulk, and potentially Matt Murdock showing up with both Spidey & She-Hulk, etc.
Which Matt Murdock? The Netflix one or Ben Afflack?
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FYI, source confirmation:
https://tvline.com/2020/12/21/the-book-of-boba-fett-mandalorian-spinoff-series-december-2021/
Also, it appears that disney has learned from their star wars unnatural carnal knowledge ups and is organizing similar to marvel with Favreau/Filoni leading the way.
https://variety.com/2020/tv/news/disney-star-wars-marvel-studios-1234866986/
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Which Matt Murdock? The Netflix one or Ben Afflack?
The Netflix one, Charlie Cox. There are rumors of him defending Spider-Man in the next film & he's a rumored surprise guest in She-Hulk, which is being set up as a superhero legal procedural show.
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The Netflix one, Charlie Cox. There are rumors of him defending Spider-Man in the next film & he's a rumored surprise guest in She-Hulk, which is being set up as a superhero legal procedural show.
I've read similar.
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I finally got around to watching the session finale.
Wow!!! Great way to use Luke and R2. Season 3 is wife open.
Bring back Bill Burr. Too bad they killed of Titus Welliver.
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I finally got around to watching the session finale.
Wow!!! Great way to use Luke and R2. Season 3 is wife open.
Bring back Bill Burr. Too bad they killed of Titus Welliver.
Bosch never woulda died like that on his show!
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Pretty interesting watch, in how the Mandalorian shied away from green screens, instead building a wrap-around LED set for their backgrounds and many visual affects.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ufp8weYYDE8
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I guess the Rangers series and Cara Dune are out?
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It will be recast.
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I actually really liked Carano in that role as well. I Was actually able to separate the politics from the actor for a change.
Disney did what they had to, they put up with her social media feed for a loooong time. There’s no coming back from anti-Semitic comments though.
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I actually really like Carano in that role as well.
Disney did what they had to, they put up with her social media feed for a loooong time. There’s no coming back from anti-Semitic comments though.
Was it anti Semitic so more of a major false equivalency? Either way it's semantics and she had to go, surprised it took this long tbh. But I agree I thought she was great at the role.
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The internet is calling for Lucy Lawless to be recast as Cara Dune and I am here for it.
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The internet is calling for Lucy Lawless to be recast as Cara Dune and I am here for it.
She's 14 years older than Gina, but I wouldn't object.
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Was it anti Semitic so more of a major false equivalency? Either way it's semantics and she had to go, surprised it took this long tbh. But I agree I thought she was great at the role.
Yet they have had no issue with Pedro Pascal being reckless on Twitter as well.
I agree that it’s not anti-Semitic, but it’s still dumb and regardless, you should know table stakes by this point.
It’s gotta be a brutal time to be a PR rep. I’m shocked more actors don’t just have the sterile promotional social media feeds.
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It would be really fun if they killed off her character with a Jewish Space Laser!
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Yet they have had no issue with Pedro Pascal being reckless on Twitter as well.
I agree that it’s not anti-Semitic, but it’s still dumb and regardless, you should know table stakes by this point.
It’s gotta be a brutal time to be a PR rep. I’m shocked more actors don’t just have the sterile promotional social media feeds.
Ah, you mean the one tweet that compared one concentration camp to another? Would it have been more apropos if it was a Japanese "Internment" camp?
What a stupid false equivalency you're trying to make here. You're better than this.
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Ah, you mean the one tweet that compared one concentration camp to another? Would it have been more apropos if it was a Japanese "Internment" camp?
What a stupid false equivalency you're trying to make here. You're better than this.
Using pictures that weren’t even recent? Its not a stupid false equivalency, it’s selective enforcement based on what you agree with. I literally just said what she said was stupid and dumb. But yes, unless the US is actively gassing, starving, working to death or just outright killing immigrants in border detention facilities, comparing it to a Nazi concentration camp is pretty gross. Let’s maybe just not compare stuff we don’t agree with to modern history’s greatest atrocity.
He shouldn’t be canned because it was a collection of stuff that got Carano tossed, but giving a free pass to hypocrisy cause Trump is a POS is also stupid
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Are we referring to his tweet showing: losers in... and it shows the confederate flag then nazi then maga hat?
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Are we referring to his tweet showing: losers in... and it shows the confederate flag then nazi then maga hat?
Nah, this one
https://twitter.com/PedroPascal1/status/1009572721548595201?s=20
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Nah, this one
https://twitter.com/PedroPascal1/status/1009572721548595201?s=20
Got it. I mean it's definitely a poor comparison but it's hardly on par with Careno's constant pushing the envelope. And we don't know what was said behind closed doors so it's difficult to stand by "they don't have a problem with it"
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Got it. I mean it's definitely a poor comparison but it's hardly on par with Careno's constant pushing the envelope. And we don't know what was said behind closed doors so it's difficult to stand by "they don't have a problem with it"
Oh i agree. Which is why I said I get why she got cut. It was a repeated pattern of behavior. It’s just amusing that the vast majority of people who were outraged by her, and are cheering her dismissal, see nothing wrong with a poor or gross comparison from someone else on the show cause it more fits with their worldview, and they would likely applaud it. It’s just the nature of the internet these days
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Oh i agree. Which is why I said I get why she got cut. It was a repeated pattern of behavior. It’s just amusing that the vast majority of people who were outraged by her, and are cheering her dismissal, see nothing wrong with a poor or gross comparison from someone else on the show cause it more fits with their worldview, and they would likely applaud it. It’s just the nature of the internet these days
Well I think it also depends on what the intent of the comparisons is. One way or another children in cages like that is terrible optics. Gina was essentially saying a group that is not marginalized at all unless they something stupid on Twitter and get banned (the horror!) is equal to the worst atrocity in recent history.
I think it's easy to figure out Disney's logic:
false equivelency but good intentions pointing out a humanitarian issue = Ok but think through your actions
False equivelency selfishly pointing out that social media doesn't let you be an A$s and that the country is rounding up seditionists after repeated warnings = "you're fired"
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Oh i agree. Which is why I said I get why she got cut. It was a repeated pattern of behavior. It’s just amusing that the vast majority of people who were outraged by her, and are cheering her dismissal, nothing wrong with a poor or gross comparison from someone else on the show cause it more fits with their worldview, and they would likely applaud it. It’s just the nature of the internet these days
You are equating a purposeful distillation of multiple provably false conspiracy theories with one clumsy tweet?
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Oh i agree. Which is why I said I get why she got cut. It was a repeated pattern of behavior. It’s just amusing that the vast majority of people who were outraged by her, and are cheering her dismissal, see nothing wrong with a poor or gross comparison from someone else on the show cause it more fits with their worldview, and they would likely applaud it. It’s just the nature of the internet these days
No, you were trying to justify her behavior (or decry 'cancel culture') by bringing up his. Thereby drawing a false equivalency. If he had shown a picture of Americans in the Japanese Internment camps would it have been okay with you?
You're just decrying someone being held accountable for her actions by drawing a comparison to her coworker which isn't comparable. If it WERE comparable, she'd have been fired for her initial comments long ago and so would he.
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No, you were trying to justify her behavior (or decry 'cancel culture') by bringing up his. Thereby drawing a false equivalency. If he had shown a picture of Americans in the Japanese Internment camps would it have been okay with you?
You're just decrying someone being held accountable for her actions by drawing a comparison to her coworker which isn't comparable. If it WERE comparable, she'd have been fired for her initial comments long ago and so would he.
Where did I justify her behavior? By saying it wasn’t anti-Semitic? Cause it wasn’t. I literally said multiple times where I get why she was fired and should have been. She had been stupidly running her mouth for a long time, most of which was worse than the final straw.
And no, interment camps wouldn’t have been good either, cause border detainment isn’t rounding up people already legally in this country (the majority of whom were actually US citizens) and focusing on a single demographic group. Maybe if those detention facilities were only Mexicans and were also filled with a Mexican family that owned a restaurant in Dallas, a Mexican man who worked in an office in Phoenix, and some, assorted other legal Mexican American US citizens from New Mexican and Southern California.
You can have your views on immigration and Border Patrol (again, I probably align much closer with his viewpoint than the far other side) without needing to parallel it with gross historical crimes against humanity. Things can be bad and/or wrong without needing to be aligned with grand atrocities.
He made stupid and (as someone who is engaged to a Jewish woman who lost family in the Holocaust) and gross comparisons to prove a point, but social media (if not his employers, but maybe he was reprimanded behind close doors) didn’t care. And still doesn’t apparently. To me, equating things that are nothing close to or near something like the Holocaust and concentration camps only seeks to diminish how ghastly and evil they were.
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So it's not Disney you're upset at it's social media? Like Twitter specifically or the mob of people? I mean I'm sure if I scrolled through I could find a large contingent of people who say "both are bad but come in this is a poor comparison" but beyond them I've found that people are idiots, especially on social media (hence why I removed myself), so it may not be the best route to be upset the most didn't cancel him over a false equivalency
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So it's not Disney you're upset at it's social media? Like Twitter specifically or the mob of people? I mean I'm sure if I scrolled through I could find a large contingent of people who say "both are bad but come in this is a poor comparison" but beyond them I've found that people are idiots, especially on social media (hence why I removed myself), so it may not be the best route to be upset the most didn't cancel him over a false equivalency
If not for social media, I don’t think Disney moves to fire. If you disagree, fair enough. That’s what I mean. It’s just the general sentiment of things. Unless it’s a clearly stupid overreaction meant to curry favor, I usually don’t fault the companies in situations like this, regardless if I agree with the outrage or not. They have to make shrewd decisions to not affect their viewership
And it’s not just “stop reading Twitter”, because ground swells begin on Twitter, or Tik Tok, or IG, and then get picked up by other news sources and that’s what leads to campaigns or whatnot. But we don’t need to get further into it, that’s a whole different conversation. I’ve said my piece
Pascal is a fantastic actor. I’ve loved him in pretty much everything he’s done the last 5 years, seems like a genuinely good guy as well. Just don’t compare stuff to the Holocaust, Pedro, then we’re good.
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Where did I justify her behavior? By saying it wasn’t anti-Semitic? Cause it wasn’t. I literally said multiple times where I get why she was fired and should have been. She had been stupidly running her mouth for a long time, most of which was worse than the final straw.
And no, interment camps wouldn’t have been good either, cause border detainment isn’t rounding up people already legally in this country (the majority of whom were actually US citizens) and focusing on a single demographic group. Maybe if those detention facilities were only Mexicans and were also filled with a Mexican family that owned a restaurant in Dallas, a Mexican man who worked in an office in Phoenix, and some, assorted other legal Mexican American US citizens from New Mexican and Southern California.
You can have your views on immigration and Border Patrol (again, I probably align much closer with his viewpoint than the far other side) without needing to parallel it with gross historical crimes against humanity. Things can be bad and/or wrong without needing to be aligned with grand atrocities.
He made stupid and (as someone who is engaged to a Jewish woman who lost family in the Holocaust) and gross comparisons to prove a point, but social media (if not his employers, but maybe he was reprimanded behind close doors) didn’t care. And still doesn’t apparently. To me, equating things that are nothing close to or near something like the Holocaust and concentration camps only seeks to diminish how ghastly and evil they were.
Sorry, I should have said equate her behavior, not justify.
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So, I've read that one of the issues was her refusal to use "pronouns" in her social media profiles and that got her labeled as "transphobic." Is that legit?
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So, I've read that one of the issues was her refusal to use "pronouns" in her social media profiles and that got her labeled as "transphobic." Is that legit?
I think the issue is that she poked fun at people who include their pronouns in their social media. She added "beep/bop/boop" as her pronouns.
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I think the issue is that she poked fun at people who include their pronouns in their social media. She added "beep/bop/boop" as her pronouns.
My understanding is that she was pushing back on people who attacked her for not having pronouns in her bio. It must be nice for people whose only issue in life is whether others lost their pronouns. SMH.
Just more virtu signaling. i
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My understanding is that she was pushing back on people who attacked her for not having pronouns in her bio. It must be nice for people whose only issue in life is whether others lost their pronouns. SMH.
Just more virtu signaling. i
Your understanding is wrong and the condescension is misplaced.
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My understanding is that she was pushing back on people who attacked her for not having pronouns in her bio. It must be nice for people whose only issue in life is whether others lost their pronouns. SMH.
Just more virtu signaling. i
Nope. Also her costar has a trans sister. It would have been fine if she said she wasn't going to add her pronouns to her profile since that is her decision. But adding what she did was clearly to make fun of people who use them to identify. Why not just be a decent person and say you aren't participating?