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MUScoop => The Superbar => Topic started by: brewcity77 on June 28, 2020, 02:32:46 PM
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Well if you can’t see the difference between supporting a movement that is overtly and aggressively political and believing that “black people have the right to exist” any conversation would be pointless.
I'm sure it's easier to sleep at night by dismissing calls for equality and equity as a political ploy. The opponents of BLM politicize the movement specifically to turn 41% of the country against it & because this oppression works to their benefit. It's never been more crystal clear that this is not a political issue, it is a moral one.
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I'm sure it's easier to sleep at night by dismissing calls for equality and equity as a political ploy. The opponents of BLM politicize the movement specifically to turn 41% of the country against it & because this oppression works to their benefit. It's never been more crystal clear that this is not a political issue, it is a moral one.
There you go again.
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Open letter whining about political debate on Scoop devolves into a political debate on Scoop.
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This is the kind of agressive, insulting, hateful talk that is the problem. It is uncivilized, angry, and politically immature. Using "hard core", "brain disease", or name calling, and character assisination, is not advancing any discussion. Emotions over intellect is the problem, not nonsecterian political dialog.
It is more the tone of some postings that needs correcting. I have no solution to the problem. I find most posters to be very sincere and level headed, even those I disagree with on a particular topic.
Then we have the zealots, I suppose they will always be with us.
Unfortunatly, some people are incapable of civil conversation, it is what it is. Politics is a dirty business.
Agree.
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Says the guy who started an all caps off topic post earlier this week.
"Says the guy", my point exactly, personal attack.
One could say that all caps. is in poor taste, against the style code, or otherwise objectionable or one could get the "guy" into it.
BTW I think the guy used caps. twice.
I'll have to check the NYTimes style book to refresh my memory. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. (Sarcasm, definitly uncivilized anger, sorry)
Oh, BTW, the guy used the caps. in the topic, he would never use caps. in a body, he does not yell.
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There is a world of difference between Black Lives Matter Inc. and Black Lives Matter. One is 100% racist and a militant
organization. The other is a basic, non-controversial, tenet of life, aina?
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Herman is quite a character (wink wink).
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BLM The organization=Communist Party=Funded by ACT Blue which is arm of Democrat Party
Sorry to burst your bubble Brew, but you are being hoodwinked. Classic subterfuge by the Alinsky led mob who wants to enslave the country and install a dictatorship . That is what communism is my friend.
Legitimate hard working people of color love America and everything it stands for.
Millions of People fought and died for the rights we have as free citizens.
Freedom>Slavery.
I'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.
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To the owner operators of MUSCOOP
We come to you as a group of 11 long time posters begging you to clean up this site. MUSCOOP has become unreadable despite messages from us to stop the constant politics that your site says no politics are allowed. Politics appear to be encouraged. We do not pretend to suggest your job is easy, but the last few months and especially the last few weeks have been the worst we have seen here and it is still June. What happens here in October and November? The same posters continue to violate your terms and pollute this board with their politics. If you want to talk about politics, go to a political website or be consistent and tell us this in now a political site because the pinned message that says THIS IS A POLITICAL FREE ZONE is false advertising.
It is ultimately your call and your site, but you are in danger of losing some valuable Marquette fans if they have not already left. Please, for the final time, clean this site up and back up your cloains of a political free zone.
Who we are:
Dentists, lawyers, teachers, business people, law enforcement, IT, retired
Over 50,000 posts and 60 combined years of membership at MUSCOOP
Democrat, Republican, Independent. Liberal, Conservative, Libertarian
From all parts of the United States
Marquette basketball fans
We have chosen to use a VPN to make this comment for one reason. The attacks from one poster to another here has notched up to an unprecedented level. Personal attacks. None of the 11 of deserve to be attacked personally for asking you to enforce what your stated POLITICS FREE ZONE, but we know we will because of the nature of the membership here. If the politics continue, you will notice the drop off and we will slip off into the night quietly to another site, or even create one of our own.
Did you guys get the Hausers to help you with this "letter"?
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Did you guys get the Hausers to help you with this "letter"?
At least the Hausers signed their name.
Allegedly
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This is the kind of agressive, insulting, hateful talk that is the problem. It is uncivilized, angry, and politically immature. Using "hard core", "brain disease", or name calling, and character assisination, is not advancing any discussion. Emotions over intellect is the problem, not nonsecterian political dialog.
It is more the tone of some postings that needs correcting. I have no solution to the problem. I find most posters to be very sincere and level headed, even those I disagree with on a particular topic.
Then we have the zealots, I suppose they will always be with us.
Unfortunatly, some people are incapable of civil conversation, it is what it is. Politics is a dirty business.
Yep the truth sure does hurt.
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This post is so cute, I just want to reach out and pinch those "eleven" anonymous cheeks.
HOWEVER, it does raise a good issue, so we're going to enact two policy changes:
- MUScoop will no longer force you to read all threads, so you can individually choose what topics interest you personally, and not click those you might find political. This is a new concept on the internet, so it might take some practice.
(If you accidentally click on a thread that does not interest you, fear not, there is a little "x" button on your browser tab that will close the window for you -- and we've made that a complimentary feature.)
- We are now making the "ignore user" function part of the basic subscription package.
In all seriousness, we do our best. COVID and the recent civil unrest has made us let more political speech go unchecked -- that being said, we've also handed out several vacations to the most reported authors.
TL;DR: Life is suffering. Eat Arby's.
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Thank you, and all of the moderators, for all that you do. Thank you for providing this scoop space.
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I'm sure it's easier to sleep at night by dismissing calls for equality and equity as a political ploy. The opponents of BLM politicize the movement specifically to turn 41% of the country against it & because this oppression works to their benefit. It's never been more crystal clear that this is not a political issue, it is a moral one.
Your post is as untrue as it is insulting.
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This post is so cute, I just want to reach out and pinch those "eleven" anonymous cheeks.
HOWEVER, it does raise a good issue, so we're going to enact two policy changes:
- MUScoop will no longer force you to read all threads, so you can individually choose what topics interest you personally, and not click those you might find political. This is a new concept on the internet, so it might take some practice.
(If you accidentally click on a thread that does not interest you, fear not, there is a little "x" button on your browser tab that will close the window for you -- and we've made that a complimentary feature.)
- We are now making the "ignore user" function part of the basic subscription package.
In all seriousness, we do our best. COVID and the recent civil unrest has made us let more political speech go unchecked -- that being said, we've also handed out several vacations to the most reported authors.
TL;DR: Life is suffering. Eat Arby's.
This response clearly shows that the mods are part of the deep state.
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"Dentists, lawyers, teachers, business people, law enforcement, IT, retired
Over 50,000 posts and 60 combined years of membership at MUSCOOP
Democrat, Republican, Independent. Liberal, Conservative, Libertarian
From all parts of the United States
Marquette basketball fans
just back from a great day on the golf course and not sure who the other dentists are, but rest assured that it wasn't doc or i. besides, his/her grammar was too good for mine and i can't get my cap key to work that well 8-)
loved toppers response-game on!
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There is a world of difference between Black Lives Matter Inc. and Black Lives Matter. One is 100% racist and a militant
organization. The other is a basic, non-controversial, tenet of life, aina?
Precisely. The slogan is essential and true. Whether people like it or not, the organization and its leaders are militant Marxists. The head of the NY chapter was interviewed the other day - “If we don’t get what we want we’re gonna burn the system down!”. According to Brew, one has to support this sh!t to sleep well at night. Only a racist would disagree. Not political in the least. In what universe?
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Open letter whining about political debate on Scoop devolves into a political debate on Scoop.
What could be more perfect?
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This is the kind of agressive, insulting, hateful talk that is the problem. It is uncivilized, angry, and politically immature. Using "hard core", "brain disease", or name calling, and character assisination, is not advancing any discussion. Emotions over intellect is the problem, not nonsecterian political dialog.
It is more the tone of some postings that needs correcting. I have no solution to the problem. I find most posters to be very sincere and level headed, even those I disagree with on a particular topic.
Then we have the zealots, I suppose they will always be with us.
Unfortunatly, some people are incapable of civil conversation, it is what it is. Politics is a dirty business.
He is not wrong tho, wont help the civility of the board but absolutely dead on. The failures of our major cities rests entirely in the hands of people that think that what they are doing will actually work if people keep putting them back in office. How “woke” is that?
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Precisely. The slogan is essential and true. Whether people like it or not, the organization and its leaders are militant Marxists. The head of the NY chapter was interviewed the other day - “If we don’t get what we want we’re gonna burn the system down!”. According to Brew, one has to support this sh!t to sleep well at night. Only a racist would disagree. Not political in the least. In what universe?
Because they say they'll burn the system down if racism against black people doesn't change in this country, they are "100% racist and a militant organization?" I'm thinking part of the problem is neither of you know what "racism/racist" is.
Also, it's as if you didn't listen to the rest of the interview. The guy literally answered your concern. Why the violence and looting? “Wow, it’s interesting that you would pose that question like that, because this country is built upon violence. What was the American Revolution? What’s our diplomacy across the globe? We go in and we blow up countries and we replace their leaders with leaders who we like. So for any American to accuse us of being violent is extremely hypocritical."
It's the foundation of this country. The white man comes in and overthrows the people living on the land, forces them into only certain areas in the country.
When the white man is using violence to better his position in the world it's no problem at all, just being a world leader. When the black man uses violence because his peaceful protests are not being heard to end racism and oppression within his own country, it's something the white man cannot get behind.
Sorry your life might be inconvenienced by some honking horns outside your suburban house over the next couple of months. Now imagine being a black man who can't drive in these suburban areas without being pulled over by police for nothing other than your skin color. Then you'll know "inconvenience."
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Because they say they'll burn the system down if racism against black people doesn't change in this country, they are "100% racist and a militant organization?" I'm thinking part of the problem is neither of you know what "racism/racist" is.
Also, it's as if you didn't listen to the rest of the interview. The guy literally answered your concern. Why the violence and looting? “Wow, it’s interesting that you would pose that question like that, because this country is built upon violence. What was the American Revolution? What’s our diplomacy across the globe? We go in and we blow up countries and we replace their leaders with leaders who we like. So for any American to accuse us of being violent is extremely hypocritical."
It's the foundation of this country. The white man comes in and overthrows the people living on the land, forces them into only certain areas in the country.
When the white man is using violence to better his position in the world it's no problem at all, just being a world leader. When the black man uses violence because his peaceful protests are not being heard to end racism and oppression within his own country, it's something the white man cannot get behind.
Bias
If you think a Marxist revolution, violent or otherwise, will best serve justice and the black population in this country then by all means get out there and support it.
At least you understand that it’s political.
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Precisely. The slogan is essential and true. Whether people like it or not, the organization and its leaders are militant Marxists. The head of the NY chapter was interviewed the other day - “If we don’t get what we want we’re gonna burn the system down!”. According to Brew, one has to support this sh!t to sleep well at night. Only a racist would disagree. Not political in the least. In what universe?
The difference between BLM, Inc and BLM the movement has been explained to you over and over again. So please stop being ignorant.
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I am late to this, sorry. The OP strikes me as odd...in its method of publication and delivery.
Why so public?
Why wouldnt the group ID themselves by actual screen names , assemble their joint letter complete with stats, professions and personal importance, jointly sign the demand letter and send it as a PM to each of the mods. Wouldnt that have the same desired effect of letting them know? Or was there more to it.....
Why so public?
Did you want to call out the mods before the others?...that is not nice,.... esp when your letter was anonymous ...exactly to protect the authors from return fire. Like an anonymous drone strike...purposefully protecting yourselves but threatening/damaging to others.
Alternatively, did you want to simply publish this as ...ostensibly to mods .....but actually and passively directed to the posters who apparently frustrate you ? Was this....Kind of a Howard Beale shout of ""I'm as mad as hell, and I'm not going to take this anymore!" If it was actually that, then.... Please direct it to that frustrating group....the mods are in the middle.
IMHO you wouldve gotten the same job done with a less adversarial joint signed PM to the mods
Seeing the mods recent calm and reasoned response here proves them as usual ....as the adults in the room. I thank them sincerely
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Did you guys get the Hausers to help you with this "letter"?
Was just going to ask if they consulted on it.
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He is not wrong tho, wont help the civility of the board but absolutely dead on. The failures of our major cities rests entirely in the hands of people that think that what they are doing will actually work if people keep putting them back in office. How “woke” is that?
+1000
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It’s impossible to police hard core liberals as they don’t know how to stop or compartmentalize anything. They have a brain disease and actually believe 50 years of the same policy failures that lower the bar while bankrupting cities and states are always the fault of someone else... and of course due to racism, sexism, or whatever new ism they come up with.
This too
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This too
I side with the position that we are dealing with moral issues and not political or economic issues.
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BLM The organization=Communist Party=Funded by ACT Blue which is arm of Democrat Party
Sorry to burst your bubble Brew, but you are being hoodwinked. Classic subterfuge by the Alinsky led mob who wants to enslave the country and install a dictatorship . That is what communism is my friend.
Legitimate hard working people of color love America and everything it stands for.
Millions of People fought and died for the rights we have as free citizens.
Freedom>Slavery.
Many blacks fought and died so their right to play MLB could be denied. People of color do not love racism. They don’t love being singled out only because they are black. And they certainly don’t love being murdered for being black.
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Many blacks fought and died so their right to play MLB could be denied. People of color do not love racism. They don’t love being singled out only because they are black. And they certainly don’t love being murdered for being black.
But are those people "legitimate?"
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Well, whoever is the leader of this letter writing campaign is a pilot with the user name V1 Rotate, so draw your own conclusions.
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Well, whoever is the leader of this letter writing campaign is a pilot with the user name V1 Rotate, so draw your own conclusions.
BeeJay?
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This thread is making me thirsty
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Just remember, it’s not a lie if you believe it
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The difference between BLM, Inc and BLM the movement has been explained to you over and over again. So please stop being ignorant.
Where can I send a contribution to BLM the Movement? Who are it’s leaders? What is their mission statement? Where can I find their statements repudiating the goals of BLM the Organization?
When I see a spokesperson on TV or read an article quoting BLM, it’s “organization” leaders and spokespersons, not “movement” ones I see and hear. I sincerely hope that the movement creates its own distinct organization free from the present radical messaging. But until the movement is vocal about their aims and their not being part of BLM the organization I just can’t offer support for anything other than the sentiment.
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Well, whoever is the leader of this letter writing campaign is a pilot with the user name V1 Rotate, so draw your own conclusions.
Shocking! Who woulda thunk it? :-\
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Well, whoever is the leader of this letter writing campaign is a pilot with the user name V1 Rotate, so draw your own conclusions.
MuEng, you need to redirect.
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It's me, I started it. It's a false flag operation to get people to write compliments praising MUScoop staff.
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Shocking! Who woulda thunk it? :-\
so who is it jackwagon? you couldn't find your "backside" with both hands and a flashlight
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Many blacks fought and died so their right to play MLB could be denied. People of color do not love racism. They don’t love being singled out only because they are black. And they certainly don’t love being murdered for being black.
Since you brought it up, two members of my immediate family were denied the right to play MLB because of their skin color. Rather than consume themselves with bitterness, they never looked back and moved forward and built successful careers in the fields that would take them.
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Where can I send a contribution to BLM the Movement? Who are it’s leaders? What is their mission statement? Where can I find their statements repudiating the goals of BLM the Organization?
When I see a spokesperson on TV or read an article quoting BLM, it’s “organization” leaders and spokespersons, not “movement” ones I see and hear. I sincerely hope that the movement creates its own distinct organization free from the present radical messaging. But until the movement is vocal about their aims and their not being part of BLM the organization I just can’t offer support for anything other than the sentiment.
If you sincerely want to understand the perspective, read up on Project Zero and the work of Sam Sinyangwe, Deray McKesson, and Britney Packnett-Cunningham. Read Ta-Nehesi Coates, The Case For Reparations is a good place to start. Or the 1619 Project article and podcast. On social media, Rachel Cargle is a solid follow that challenges her followers. If you're looking for other podcasts, Code Switch and Pod Save the People. On demand, watch 13th on Netflix.
Or just go to a march. Listen to the voices there. At this point, if you aren't hearing the message, it's because you're choosing not to listen.
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Honestly, I didn't think Chicos only had 11 screen names. I thought it was more than that.
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If you sincerely want to understand the perspective, read up on Project Zero and the work of Sam Sinyangwe, Deray McKesson, and Britney Packnett-Cunningham. Read Ta-Nehesi Coates, The Case For Reparations is a good place to start. Or the 1619 Project article and podcast. On social media, Rachel Cargle is a solid follow that challenges her followers. If you're looking for other podcasts, Code Switch and Pod Save the People. On demand, watch 13th on Netflix.
Or just go to a march. Listen to the voices there. At this point, if you aren't hearing the message, it's because you're choosing not to listen.
Thanks for the reading/listening ideas. I’ll get back to you with my impressions.
You may also want to open your mind to different perspectives. I provided a link to a Scott Harris podcast in another thread (I think the podcast is titled “Can we come back from the brink?”).
Brew, we may open our minds yet still see things differently. I have no problem with that. I hope you don’t either, but your final paragraph seems to indicate differently.
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Honestly, I didn't think Chicos only had 11 screen names. I thought it was more than that.
It’s well over if you count the different iterations of Chicos (Chico’s Bail Bonds, Chico’s, CBB, cheeks...)
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Honestly, I didn't think Chicos only had 11 screen names. I thought it was more than that.
They probably needed him to post via the VPN.
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This post is so cute, I just want to reach out and pinch those "eleven" anonymous cheeks.
HOWEVER, it does raise a good issue, so we're going to enact two policy changes:
- MUScoop will no longer force you to read all threads, so you can individually choose what topics interest you personally, and not click those you might find political. This is a new concept on the internet, so it might take some practice.
(If you accidentally click on a thread that does not interest you, fear not, there is a little "x" button on your browser tab that will close the window for you -- and we've made that a complimentary feature.)
- We are now making the "ignore user" function part of the basic subscription package.
In all seriousness, we do our best. COVID and the recent civil unrest has made us let more political speech go unchecked -- that being said, we've also handed out several vacations to the most reported authors.
TL;DR: Life is suffering. Eat Arby's.
I love it.
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I'm rather late to the party but I'll start by saying that I share some of V1's and the other original posters' concerns. It is sad that a board in which many of its members were educated at a fine, inclusive Jesuit university find it so difficult to discuss strongly held positions without resorting to hostility and in some cases, ad hominum attacks on those who do not share their beliefs.
I'm so sick of the ugliness over the coming election that I'm thinking about spinning a cocoon that I can live in until next year. Nobody acknowledges the "other side" be well-intentioned about anything in this country anymore. It's all about screwing someone. I don't care how liberal or how conservative you might be, I'm amazed that we see goodwill only in our own views. If you ask me, that's kind of selfish.
Secondly, I would hope that any of you who think that the Black Lives Matter movement is Communist would gain some institutional knowledge of the 1960s and early 1970s. The same thing was said about the Hippies, Yippies and the Civil Rights movement of that day. J. Edgar Hoover was an especially strong catalyst of this nonsense and he's been later proven to have broken more laws than any 10 vandals during the last riot.
Finally, think about something. If Jesus walked the Earth today, how would Jesus react to Black Lives Matter? If Scripture is any indication, He would likely say, "of course Black Lives Matter! Black people are my children too. What don't you people get about, 'Love thy neighbor as thy self.' I told you that and, for my sake, I meant it!"
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"Dentists, lawyers, teachers, business people, law enforcement, IT, retired
Over 50,000 posts and 60 combined years of membership at MUSCOOP
Democrat, Republican, Independent. Liberal, Conservative, Libertarian
From all parts of the United States
Marquette basketball fans
just back from a great day on the golf course and not sure who the other dentists are, but rest assured that it wasn't doc or i. besides, his/her grammar was too good for mine and i can't get my cap key to work that well 8-)
loved toppers response-game on!
I'm going to be honest buddy, there is something in topper's post that tells me it isn't 11 guys. I know you have thicker skin and that is a positive trait. Best.
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I'm rather late to the party but I'll start by saying that I share some of V1's and the other original posters' concerns. It is sad that a board in which many of its members were educated at a fine, inclusive Jesuit university find it so difficult to discuss strongly held positions without resorting to hostility and in some cases, ad hominum attacks on those who do not share their beliefs.
I'm so sick of the ugliness over the coming election that I'm thinking about spinning a cocoon that I can live in until next year. Nobody acknowledges the "other side" be well-intentioned about anything in this country anymore. It's all about screwing someone. I don't care how liberal or how conservative you might be, I'm amazed that we see goodwill only in our own views. If you ask me, that's kind of selfish.
Secondly, I would hope that any of you who think that the Black Lives Matter movement is Communist would gain some institutional knowledge of the 1960s and early 1970s. The same thing was said about the Hippies, Yippies and the Civil Rights movement of that day. J. Edgar Hoover was an especially strong catalyst of this nonsense and he's been later proven to have broken more laws than any 10 vandals during the last riot.
Finally, think about something. If Jesus walked the Earth today, how would Jesus react to Black Lives Matter? If Scripture is any indication, He would likely say, "of course Black Lives Matter! Black people are my children too. What don't you people get about, 'Love thy neighbor as thy self.' I told you that and, for my sake, I meant it!"
Hoover, he was a body remover.
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Well, whoever is the leader of this letter writing campaign is a pilot with the user name V1 Rotate, so draw your own conclusions.
For the record, the intent of this post was to remark on the aviation nature of the original posters name not to imply that any particular poster is the author of said letter.
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Where can I send a contribution to BLM the Movement? Who are it’s leaders? What is their mission statement? Where can I find their statements repudiating the goals of BLM the Organization?
When I see a spokesperson on TV or read an article quoting BLM, it’s “organization” leaders and spokespersons, not “movement” ones I see and hear. I sincerely hope that the movement creates its own distinct organization free from the present radical messaging. But until the movement is vocal about their aims and their not being part of BLM the organization I just can’t offer support for anything other than the sentiment.
I'm sure there were people in the 1960s who wouldn't support the Civil Rights movement because Malcolm X and other militant protesters were associated with it. I'm also sure there were people in the 1960s who wouldn't support the Civil Rights movement because MLK made it political by criticizing the US' involvement in Vietnam. Whatever their reasons for not supporting it, they still ended up on the wrong side of history.
This has happened since the beginning of time. Hell, even Jesus was criticized by the Pharisees and Sadducees (and presumably by a large number of the common people) for associating with known sinners and for working on the Sabbath, and any other number of things that offended their sensibilities.
There will always be reasons or justifications for not supporting social justice. There will always be flawed people and organizations involved in the cause. There will always be leaders in the movement whose views/opinions on other topics don't align with yours. There will always be some who are willing to resort to violence for what they believe in. If you wait for the perfect movement or the perfect leader or the perfect protest then you will never be involved.
This movement is so much bigger than one non-profit and its cause is as Jesuit as they come. We can't afford to let ourselves get distracted by insignificant details. MLK didn't condone rioting or militants but he understood that the only way to get rid of them was to address the injustice that birthed them in the first place. That is what is important.
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I think a large majority of posters understand what the BLM movement is and support it. The few that don’t support it probably also understand what the BLM movement is but need an excuse to stay within their comfort zone so they claim communism or Marxism. They dug in so hard that they’re just willfully ignorant on the topic, and then claim that they’re really the informed ones and everyone else has their head in the sand. Or they’re Herman who write things for shock value alone.
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I'm sure there were people in the 1960s who wouldn't support the Civil Rights movement because Malcolm X and other militant protesters were associated with it. I'm also sure there were people in the 1960s who wouldn't support the Civil Rights movement because MLK made it political by criticizing the US' involvement in Vietnam. Whatever their reasons for not supporting it, they still ended up on the wrong side of history.
This has happened since the beginning of time. Hell, even Jesus was criticized by the Pharisees and Sadducees (and presumably by a large number of the common people) for associating with known sinners and for working on the Sabbath, and any other number of things that offended their sensibilities.
There will always be reasons or justifications for not supporting social justice. There will always be flawed people and organizations involved in the cause. There will always be leaders in the movement whose views/opinions on other topics don't align with yours. There will always be some who are willing to resort to violence for what they believe in. If you wait for the perfect movement or the perfect leader or the perfect protest then you will never be involved.
This movement is so much bigger than one non-profit and its cause is as Jesuit as they come. We can't afford to let ourselves get distracted by insignificant details. MLK didn't condone rioting or militants but he understood that the only way to get rid of them was to address the injustice that birthed them in the first place. That is what is important.
Yep.
I think a large majority of posters understand what the BLM movement is and support it. The few that don’t support it probably also understand what the BLM movement is but need an excuse to stay within their comfort zone so they claim communism or Marxism. They dug in so hard that they’re just willfully ignorant on the topic, and then claim that they’re really the informed ones and everyone else has their head in the sand. Or they’re Herman who write things for shock value alone.
Yep.
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Many blacks fought and died so their right to play MLB could be denied. People of color do not love racism. They don’t love being singled out only because they are black. And they certainly don’t love being murdered for being black.
I do not like racism either nor do I like to be singled out because I'm white. I do not consider myself privileged or supreme yet I'm labeled so because of the color of my skin. I am of Slavic descent. My ancestors were enslaved by the Muslims of Spain in the 9th century so technically I am a descendent of slaves and the 5 police officers who were shot in Dallas certainly did not want to die for being white.
https://abc13.com/soldier-dallas-officer-bradford-glendening/1420187/
How can we bridge the racial divide if we continue to teach our kids that one race is better than another when we know it is not true.
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I hope the gang will post the name of their new Usenet board once it is up and running.
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I endorse the OP sentiment.
IMO the best solution is go back to the crap show that was the Politics thread, do not moderate it at all, and ban anyone who posts anything on politics elsewhere.
That said, I’ll continue to lurk during non BB times and look forward to the mostly BB times which are to come.
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I do not like racism either nor do I like to be singled out because I'm white. I do not consider myself privileged or supreme yet I'm labeled so because of the color of my skin. I am of Slavic descent. My ancestors were enslaved by the Muslims of Spain in the 9th century so technically I am a descendent of slaves and the 5 police officers who were shot in Dallas certainly did not want to die for being white.
You are privileged because you are white, whether you consider yourself so or not.
And no, your ancestors being enslaved 1,200 years ago on another continent is not remotely akin to the experience of black people in America.
How can we bridge the racial divide if we continue to teach our kids that one race is better than another when we know it is not true.
We should probably stop teaching our kids that one race is better than another.
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I do not like racism either nor do I like to be singled out because I'm white. I do not consider myself privileged or supreme yet I'm labeled so because of the color of my skin. I am of Slavic descent. My ancestors were enslaved by the Muslims of Spain in the 9th century so technically I am a descendent of slaves and the 5 police officers who were shot in Dallas certainly did not want to die for being white.
https://abc13.com/soldier-dallas-officer-bradford-glendening/1420187/
How can we bridge the racial divide if we continue to teach our kids that one race is better than another when we know it is not true.
Then say Black Lives Matter.
You are privileged, just like I am. We're both white guys and have had a much easier time, and will continue to have a much easier time in life because of the privilege we are given due SOLELY to the amount of melanin in our skin. You have the privilege to walk into a store without being suspected of being a thief because you're white. When you learned about history of the world, you were most likely taught a Eurocentric version, and we get to learn that version because of our privilege. If you get pulled over by a police officer you can be SURE that you weren't pulled over simply because you're a white guy.
That list goes on, and that's is what is meant by White privilege. NOT that you had ancestors that were slaves.
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I'm going to be honest buddy, there is something in topper's post that tells me it isn't 11 guys. I know you have thicker skin and that is a positive trait. Best.
as always, i do have to give credit where it's due and i do appreciate your comment here hards
where's 82? lose his internet connection?
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True story.
I had a co-worker, African American, Vietnam Marine Corps veteran, he was blown off a 6X6 truck on a bridge repair mission and had his knee crushed.
I invited him to my home for a fourth of July cookout.
He declined, he was reluctant to come to my neighborhood, he was afraid of the police. That was twenty five years ago.
Story two.
I used the V.A. for my fathers medical care at his end of life. He was a combat Second Lt., 103 Infranty Division, 411 Regement.
The V.A. sent a nurse from East Orange for a home visit.
She was a black nurse driving a government car with the blue and white government tags.
The local police spotted her and followed her for five mikes, then drove into the parking lot at my fathers home. They gave her the, your not welcome around here look.
She was shaking when she got into my parents home.
Amen
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If you sincerely want to understand the perspective, read up on Project Zero and the work of Sam Sinyangwe, Deray McKesson, and Britney Packnett-Cunningham. Read Ta-Nehesi Coates, The Case For Reparations is a good place to start. Or the 1619 Project article and podcast. On social media, Rachel Cargle is a solid follow that challenges her followers. If you're looking for other podcasts, Code Switch and Pod Save the People. On demand, watch 13th on Netflix.
Or just go to a march. Listen to the voices there. At this point, if you aren't hearing the message, it's because you're choosing not to listen.
You are not listening to those who have a different opinion than you.
As a community throughout the 30s and 40s and 50s we were actually making meaningful progress our rates of marriage and intact families was high. The industrial north lifted all the boats in the sea. We were building successful businesses. Role models were out there. Self reliance was the goal. Life absolutely wasn't perfect but the visibility to a better future was actually there.
The Democrats , via LBJ, then exploited the sympathy of Kennedys death to created a cynical political plan , sold it to gullible bleeding heart liberals, and it had the impact of steadily moving our community into social dysfunction. Sorry but that is the truth as I see it.
Now that there is social dysfunction, the Democrats rallying cry is Racism , because they full well know that todays sons and daughter's of the same gullible generation in the 60s are susceptible to the same threats and intimidations.
Democrat policies are making it very difficult for the natural forces of progression to occur. My view is I would rather earn my way to something on merit , versus having it handed to me based on my race. Sorry if that doesn't fit with your story line and narrative. There are some of us out there that just don't subscribe to the victimization script.
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Where can I send a contribution to BLM the Movement? Who are it’s leaders? What is their mission statement? Where can I find their statements repudiating the goals of BLM the Organization?
When I see a spokesperson on TV or read an article quoting BLM, it’s “organization” leaders and spokespersons, not “movement” ones I see and hear. I sincerely hope that the movement creates its own distinct organization free from the present radical messaging. But until the movement is vocal about their aims and their not being part of BLM the organization I just can’t offer support for anything other than the sentiment.
Lenny, I really don't want to get bogged down in discussing politics, but I want to add one small piece regarding BLM and what they stand for as a movement. And if you want to contribute to them, it is pretty easy.
Minority students at predominantly white, private institutions, are treated poorly regularly. You can find a number of twitter feeds devoted to this including #blackintheivory. Students have advocated that they just want faculty and administration to care, one recommendation the students have had is for faculty that care about them to post a BLM sticker, so they know they have an ally.
They don't want statues torn down, they don't want violence, they just want to be heard, and for people to care. To them, saying "Black Lives Matter" or putting up a BLM sticker simply means you care about them. That is what they want.
So if you want to contribute in the most meaningful and impactful way, simply say "Black Lives Matter" or post a sticker, and do so recognizing that what they are asking for is your respect and that they aren't part of the violence etc., that has been coopted by political groups on the right and left.
Because the thing is, from your posts (and posts of others that veer politically right), I know that you and they do care, and you do respect them. What we all need is for everyone to take one big step above the political fray and be bold and powerful in stating what we feel, that we agree that "Black Lives Matter" and that we love and respect them, and will advocate for their rights and equity.
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You are privileged because you are white, whether you consider yourself so or not.
And no, your ancestors being enslaved 1,200 years ago on another continent is not remotely akin to the experience of black people in America.
We should probably stop teaching our kids that one race is better than another.
This privileged nonsense is bullchit. You don't know any of us or what our backgrounds are. One is not privileged just by being born white.
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This privileged nonsense is bullchit. You don't know any of us or what our backgrounds are. One is not privileged just by being born white.
No. That's not the point. It has nothing to do with your background is or what you had to overcome.
It's just recognition of the fact that in general, racial minorities are treated different by society at large due to the color of their skin. "White priviledge" is just the opposite way of saying that.
I don't know why this is so hard for people to understand or comprehend. It is undoubtedly true. Is it true in every instance, everywhere across the country? Of course not.
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This privileged nonsense is bullchit. You don't know any of us or what our backgrounds are. One is not privileged just by being born white.
Ah, so you're going with the 'Whoosh' approach. And yes, one is privileged just by being born white.
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No. That's not the point. It has nothing to do with your background is or what you had to overcome.
It's just recognition of the fact that in general, racial minorities are treated different by society at large due to the color of their skin. "White priviledge" is just the opposite way of saying that.
I don't know why this is so hard for people to understand or comprehend. It is undoubtedly true. Is it true in every instance, everywhere across the country? Of course not.
Then why paint every white person with that brush?
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I think a large majority of posters understand what the BLM movement is and support it. The few that don’t support it probably also understand what the BLM movement is but need an excuse to stay within their comfort zone so they claim communism or Marxism. They dug in so hard that they’re just willfully ignorant on the topic, and then claim that they’re really the informed ones and everyone else has their head in the sand. Or they’re Herman who write things for shock value alone.
There's the BLM movement (the people marching peacefully and advocating for reform), BLM Inc. (the leaders making money), and far, far-leftists hijacking the BLM movement to try and combine their agenda with BLM. In my city, for example, a bunch of white kids (groups who call themselves "Antifa" and the "Youth Liberation Front") have spent the last thirty days organizing the "protests" that result in violence, tearing down statues, vandalism and even promoting destruction. They're the ones spray painting "ACAB" "F--k 12" and, a nice one I saw on my run yesterday "kill all cops." Last week they tried to start their own "autonomous zone" in one of the few Black neighborhoods in our city and engaged in vandalism of black-owned businesses. "Revolution is expensive." When those Black business owners criticized them they white kids lectured them about "leadership" and the like. They're also putting up signs calling for a "rent strike" and to "end capitalism" (using the BLM fist logo).
Those of us close to the protests know the difference, Those who live in the suburbs where it isn't happening don't. How would one in Orem, UT, or Fargo, ND know that the CHOP is not part of BLM? We need BLM to come out stronger against those who are trying to hijack the movement.
No. That's not the point. It has nothing to do with your background is or what you had to overcome.
It's just recognition of the fact that in general, racial minorities are treated different by society at large due to the color of their skin. "White priviledge" is just the opposite way of saying that.
I don't know why this is so hard for people to understand or comprehend. It is undoubtedly true. Is it true in every instance, everywhere across the country? Of course not.
you want an example of white privilege: this would not have happened to a white guy. But a black guy who makes $12 million a year... https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/10/27/9621368/john-henson-wisconsin-jewelry-store-discrimination
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This privileged nonsense is bullchit. You don't know any of us or what our backgrounds are. One is not privileged just by being born white.
Of course you are privileged just being born white.
I really don't know why some people are so fragile about this. It's not a personal insult. It's not an attack on your character. It doesn't make you a bad person. It doesn't minimize anything you've accomplished.
It's just a simple recognition that you get treated differently in this country because of your skin color. I would venture to guess a woman has never clutched her purse a little more tightly when you walk past her on the street. Or that you've never been followed by an employee while walking through a store. Or that you've never been pulled over by a police officer and asked why you were driving through a certain suburb. Or asked how you can afford a certain car. Or that people assumed that you got into a certain school or landed a certain job because of affirmative action.
But do share your hardscrabble upbringing, if you think it'll persuade us otherwise.
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Then why paint every white person with that brush?
Because every white person, regardless of their standing, has privileges associated with being white.
That doesn't mean they can't have a hard life. It doesn't mean they're not born into awful circumstances. It doesn't mean they haven't overcome tremendous obstacles.
It's a simple recognition that people are treated differently. Why that's so hard to understand, and why people take that as a personal affront, is mind boggling.
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Because every white person, regardless of their standing, has privileges associated with being white.
That doesn't mean they can't have a hard life. It doesn't mean they're not born into awful circumstances. It doesn't mean they haven't overcome tremendous obstacles.
It's a simple recognition that people are treated differently. Why that's so hard to understand, and why people take that as a personal affront, is mind boggling.
It also doesn't mean that all white people are racist.
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It also doesn't mean that all white people are racist.
Right. That kind of self-defensive reaction I imagine is part of the denial. That and the feeling that one's accomplishments are somehow cheapened if you admit there are benefits to your skin color (see: 4ever).
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Lenny, I really don't want to get bogged down in discussing politics, but I want to add one small piece regarding BLM and what they stand for as a movement. And if you want to contribute to them, it is pretty easy.
Minority students at predominantly white, private institutions, are treated poorly regularly. You can find a number of twitter feeds devoted to this including #blackintheivory. Students have advocated that they just want faculty and administration to care, one recommendation the students have had is for faculty that care about them to post a BLM sticker, so they know they have an ally.
They don't want statues torn down, they don't want violence, they just want to be heard, and for people to care. To them, saying "Black Lives Matter" or putting up a BLM sticker simply means you care about them. That is what they want.
So if you want to contribute in the most meaningful and impactful way, simply say "Black Lives Matter" or post a sticker, and do so recognizing that what they are asking for is your respect and that they aren't part of the violence etc., that has been coopted by political groups on the right and left.
Because the thing is, from your posts (and posts of others that veer politically right), I know that you and they do care, and you do respect them. What we all need is for everyone to take one big step above the political fray and be bold and powerful in stating what we feel, that we agree that "Black Lives Matter" and that we love and respect them, and will advocate for their rights and equity.
Forgetful
Thanks for a thoughtful post.
I’ll state unequivocally that black lives matter, that I love and respect black people and that I support their battle for rights and equity. These are sentiments I’ve always felt and tried to live by.
None of this is inconsistent with being wary of some of the political solutions advocated by BLM - for those who can’t accept that notion, we’ll agree to disagree.
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Because every white person, regardless of their standing, has privileges associated with being white.
That doesn't mean they can't have a hard life. It doesn't mean they're not born into awful circumstances. It doesn't mean they haven't overcome tremendous obstacles.
It's a simple recognition that people are treated differently. Why that's so hard to understand, and why people take that as a personal affront, is mind boggling.
Things us, as white people, have likely never had to deal with:
-being called an Affirmative Action hire/admit (or, my wife's case, a "Twofer")
-being asked to prepay for a meal at a sit-down restaurant (if you're ever seated)
-being asked "are you sure you belong here?"
-being told "you're so articulate" for your race/ethnicity
-being asked if you speak English
-being followed in a store by an employee
-having the door locked on you as you approach a store
-having women clutch their purse tight when you walk by
-seeing people move to the other side of the street when you are walking towards them on a sidewalk
-having people ask (or sometimes not ask) to touch your skin or hair
Not having this happen to you: https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/10/27/9621368/john-henson-wisconsin-jewelry-store-discrimination
"White privilege" doesn't mean you get everything handed to you or you don't have to struggle in life. It just means there are certain areas of life where you are given the benefit of the doubt. .
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This privileged nonsense is bullchit. You don't know any of us or what our backgrounds are. One is not privileged just by being born white.
Yes you are. You may not be privileged in other ways such as socio-economic status, religion, national original, sexual orientation, sex, gender identity, ability status etc....but if you are born white then you are immune from a lot of forms of bigotry that people of color face every day. That's what white privilege is.
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Forgetful
Thanks for a thoughtful post.
I’ll state unequivocally that black lives matter, that I love and respect black people and that I support their battle for rights and equity. These are sentiments I’ve always felt and tried to live by.
None of this is inconsistent with being wary of some of the political solutions advocated by BLM - for those who can’t accept that notion, we’ll agree to disagree.
I wholeheartedly agree with the bolded.
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The Democrats , via LBJ, then exploited the sympathy of Kennedys death to created a cynical political plan , sold it to gullible bleeding heart liberals, and it had the impact of steadily moving our community into social dysfunction. Sorry but that is the truth as I see it.
That sneaky bastard Johnson, passing the Civil Rights Act 1964. LOL.
How are your Cosbyesque efforts coming along, MUFINY?
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This privileged nonsense is bullchit. You don't know any of us or what our backgrounds are. One is not privileged just by being born white.
The ignorance of this statement is something else.
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Forgetful
Thanks for a thoughtful post.
I’ll state unequivocally that black lives matter, that I love and respect black people and that I support their battle for rights and equity. These are sentiments I’ve always felt and tried to live by.
None of this is inconsistent with being wary of some of the political solutions advocated by BLM - for those who can’t accept that notion, we’ll agree to disagree.
Lenny, I agree wholeheartedly.
I think we could all greatly benefit from stepping away from the fray, and distancing ourselves from identifying as a side/party/movement, and instead always speaking from principles.
If we viewed/judged things from principles, instead of the judging from the worst amongst the "other side" maybe we could actually make progress. Sadly, I'm afraid getting to that point seems quite impossible these days.
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Things us, as white people, have likely never had to deal with:
-being called an Affirmative Action hire/admit (or, my wife's case, a "Twofer")
-being asked to prepay for a meal at a sit-down restaurant (if you're ever seated)
-being asked "are you sure you belong here?"
-being told "you're so articulate" for your race/ethnicity
-being asked if you speak English
-being followed in a store by an employee
-having the door locked on you as you approach a store
-having women clutch their purse tight when you walk by
-seeing people move to the other side of the street when you are walking towards them on a sidewalk
-having people ask (or sometimes not ask) to touch your skin or hair
Not having this happen to you: https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/10/27/9621368/john-henson-wisconsin-jewelry-store-discrimination
"White privilege" doesn't mean you get everything handed to you or you don't have to struggle in life. It just means there are certain areas of life where you are given the benefit of the doubt. .
This. Exactly this.
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I worked at a small local pharmacy for a few spending dollars in high school. I got held up at gun point during a shift. When customers found out I was the person that got held up, more than one person asked me, "Was he black?"
That's 1) racism and 2) white privilege. Anyone who doesn't realize they are treated differently based on the color of their skin just isn't paying attention.
Also, the guy was white, for what it's worth.
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BTW, acknowledging white priviledge also doesn't mean that you agree that programs like affirmative action are the best way to solve the issue. It is simply the current state of affairs.
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This privileged nonsense is bullchit. You don't know any of us or what our backgrounds are. One is not privileged just by being born white.
No, we don't, in regards to the type of privilege. I know that I had certain privileges being the son of a physician father and nurse mother that my buddy, the son of a water heater delivery driver dad and factory worker mom, did not. However, my junior year roommate, whose dad was a Sr. VP for Motorola, had privileges I did not have (vacation home on Coronado was pretty nice). Meanwhile, Jared Kuschner, the Obama daughters, the Bush twins, Will Smith's kids, etc., have privileges most of any color or ethnicity will never have.
Meanwhile, I doubt many people white people have had to deal with stuff like this; https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2895944-damian-lillard-talks-racism-police-brutality-after-killing-of-george-floyd
I also know that when I played high school sports we were never warned by our coaches about how dangerous other white schools were and that we should only go places in groups...but we sure were about the one black school in our conference.
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Wow, I can not believe no one has brought up the hidden meaning of the OP.....
group of 11
What happens here in October and November?
ZONE
valuable Marquette fans
create one of our own.
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Marquette Football is returning!!! just got to read between the lines
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That sneaky bastard Johnson, passing the Civil Rights Act 1964. LOL.
How are your Cosbyesque efforts coming along, MUFINY?
Civil Rights act of 1964 was passed with Republican Votes.
Facts matter.
Civil Rights Act of 1964 passed the Senate on a 73-to-27 vote.
The Democratic supermajority in the Senate split their vote 46 (69%) for and 21 (31%) against.
The Republicans, on the other hand, split their vote 27 for (82%) and 6 against (18%).
Thus, the no vote consisted of 78% Democrats. Further, the infamous 74-day filibuster was led by the Southern Democrats, who overwhelmingly voted against the act.
An examination of the House vote shows a similar pattern. The House voted 290 to 130 in favor.
Democrats split their vote 152 (61%) to 96 (39%)
Republicans split theirs 138 (80%) to 34 (20%).
The no vote consisted of 74% Democrats.
Clearly, the 1964 Civil Rights Act could not have been passed without the leadership of Republicans
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Civil Rights act of 1964 was passed with Republican Votes.
Facts matter.
Civil Rights Act of 1964 passed the Senate on a 73-to-27 vote.
The Democratic supermajority in the Senate split their vote 46 (69%) for and 21 (31%) against.
The Republicans, on the other hand, split their vote 27 for (82%) and 6 against (18%).
Thus, the no vote consisted of 78% Democrats. Further, the infamous 74-day filibuster was led by the Southern Democrats, who overwhelmingly voted against the act.
An examination of the House vote shows a similar pattern. The House voted 290 to 130 in favor.
Democrats split their vote 152 (61%) to 96 (39%)
Republicans split theirs 138 (80%) to 34 (20%).
The no vote consisted of 74% Democrats.
Clearly, the 1964 Civil Rights Act could not have been passed without the leadership of Republicans
The Civil Rights Act vote fell along regional lines, not party lines.
In the Senate, members from former Confederate states voted 1 in favor and 21 against. Senators from other states voted 72 for and 6 against.
In the House, Southerners were 8 for and 94 against. Northerners were 281 for and 32 against.
Now that we've cleared that up, do "Southern Strategy."
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The Civil Rights Act vote fell along regional lines, not party lines.
In the Senate, members from former Confederate states voted 1 in favor and 21 against. Senators from other states voted 72 for and 6 against.
In the House, Southerners were 8 for and 94 against. Northerners were 281 for and 32 against.
Now that we've cleared that up, do "Southern Strategy."
Facts matter. ::)
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Right. That kind of self-defensive reaction I imagine is part of the denial. That and the feeling that one's accomplishments are somehow cheapened if you admit there are benefits to your skin color (see: 4ever).
So far off base its laughable
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So far off base its laughable
Edgeyoukayte uz
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So far off base its laughable
So just say it. Black lives matter.
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facts matter too
https://www.countable.us/articles/17557-fact-check-republicans-voted-civil-rights-act-percentage-democrats-did
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Lots of Rockefeller Republicans back then. Fair number of Byrd Democrats. Fewer now.
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Lots of Rockefeller Republicans back then. Fair number of Byrd Democrats. Fewer now.
Guess none of them wanted to read the Southern Strategy post I dropped in another thread.
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Claiming that Republicans obviously care about the fate of racial minorities based on a vote from 56 years ago is pretty hilarious stuff. (Not saying that Republicans don't care, but if THAT'S your evidence....)
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Claiming that Republicans obviously care about the fate of racial minorities based on a vote from 56 years ago is pretty hilarious stuff. (Not saying that Republicans don't care, but if THAT'S your evidence....)
Well, a republican actually freed the slaves.
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Social liberals passed the Civil Rights Act. Social conservatives voted against it. In the 1960s, you could find social liberals and conservatives in both the Democratic and Republican parties. Over time, the two parties became more of unified dichotomy with social and fiscal liberals aligned under the Democratic party and social and fiscal conservatives aligned under the Republican party. Trying to compare the Democrats/Republicans of today to the Democrats/Republicans of the 1960s is like trying to compare college basketball now to college basketball in the 1960s. Playing completely different games, eh?
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Guess none of them wanted to read the Southern Strategy post I dropped in another thread.
Ignorance of history is blissful living
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Social liberals passed the Civil Rights Act. Social conservatives voted against it. In the 1960s, you could find social liberals and conservatives in both the Democratic and Republican parties. Over time, the two parties became more of unified dichotomy with social and fiscal liberals aligned under the Democratic party and social and fiscal conservatives aligned under the Republican party. Trying to compare the Democrats/Republicans of today to the Democrats/Republicans of the 1960s is like trying to compare college basketball now to college basketball in the 1960s. Playing completely different games, eh?
Democrat = Pro Slavery Party
Republican= Pro Liberty Party
Has been that way since the beginning. Still Is
KKK was the military arm of Democrats
BLM is a front organization for the Communists.
Abe Lincoln = GOAT
I don't want or need any help from guilt stricken white people. Just get out of the way of the people who create value in this society and quit cloaking parasitic behavior in some pseudo charitable cause . We can see through it.
And by the way I was for Cuonzo.
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I do not like racism either nor do I like to be singled out because I'm white. I do not consider myself privileged or supreme yet I'm labeled so because of the color of my skin. I am of Slavic descent. My ancestors were enslaved by the Muslims of Spain in the 9th century so technically I am a descendent of slaves and the 5 police officers who were shot in Dallas certainly did not want to die for being white.
https://abc13.com/soldier-dallas-officer-bradford-glendening/1420187/
How can we bridge the racial divide if we continue to teach our kids that one race is better than another when we know it is not true.
And, in the United States as a white person, or a person of a different background but has assimilated or passed as white, you are not enslaved or treated like your ancestors. That’s privilege.
I’m not calling you out personally, your response isn’t unique and often predictable. This point of view is neither universal nor objective. I get it, we often don’t feel privileged, but having a discussion about race/racism rather than experiencing it on a daily basis is privilege.
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Civil Rights act of 1964 was passed with Republican Votes.
Facts matter.
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Clearly, the 1964 Civil Rights Act could not have been passed without the leadership of Republicans
And? Your performance art point was "LBJ, then exploited the sympathy of Kennedys death to created a cynical political plan"
Now you are stating it was actually a good thing because Republicans voted for it? LOL. I mean, if it was a cynical political plan with the objective of destroying black families, how is a positive that Republicans voted for it?
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Democrat = Pro Slavery Party
Republican= Pro Liberty Party
Has been that way since the beginning. Still Is
KKK was the military arm of Democrats
BLM is a front organization for the Communists.
Abe Lincoln = GOAT
I don't want or need any help from guilt stricken white people. Just get out of the way of the people who create value in this society and quit cloaking parasitic behavior in some pseudo charitable cause . We can see through it.
And by the way I was for Cuonzo.
Did you send your check back from the government that was sent out over Covid?
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Please do not feed the troll.
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And? Your performance art point was "LBJ, then exploited the sympathy of Kennedys death to created a cynical political plan"
Now you are stating it was actually a good thing because Republicans voted for it? LOL. I mean, if it was a cynical political plan with the objective of destroying black families, how is a positive that Republicans voted for it?
My reference to LBJ was all the destructive social programs put in. Created a welfare culture that led to the destabilization of our families.
LBJ was a very cynical guy who was extremely corrupt. Had some business dealings with his estate in years past and learned a lot about him and his methods. He definitely got rich off the government.
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Did you send your check back from the government that was sent out over Covid?
Did not receive a check from the government. Income was too high.
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Social liberals passed the Civil Rights Act. Social conservatives voted against it. In the 1960s, you could find social liberals and conservatives in both the Democratic and Republican parties. Over time, the two parties became more of unified dichotomy with social and fiscal liberals aligned under the Democratic party and social and fiscal conservatives aligned under the Republican party. Trying to compare the Democrats/Republicans of today 0to the Democrats/Republicans of the 1960s is like trying to compare college basketball now to college basketball in the 1960s. Playing completely different games, eh?
The first Civil Rights Act since 1875 was actually passed in 1957. It was spearheaded by Richard Nixon, who had become friendly with MLK earlier that year. In the Senate, the vote was 72-18 (43-0 Republicans, 29-18 Democrats). In the House the vote was 286-136 (167-19 Republicans, 119-107 Democrats).
Initially (and as a freedom issue) Republicans led the way. As it evolved (and included big government bureaucracies) it move from bipartisan to a Democratic issue. Many of those measures from the 60s have had mixed results. The Democrat’s embrace of and the Republican’s ultimate rejection of the Great Society resulted in the black community becoming overwhelmingly Democratic.
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MUScoop Management? Management? That would imply an organizational structure.
If there were a MUScoop Intergalactic headquarters it would probably look like this:
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It was the best of times, it was the BLURST of times?
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The first Civil Rights Act since 1875 was actually passed in 1957. It was spearheaded by Richard Nixon, who had become friendly with MLK earlier that year. In the Senate, the vote was 72-18 (43-0 Republicans, 29-18 Democrats). In the House the vote was 286-136 (167-19 Republicans, 119-107 Democrats).
Initially (and as a freedom issue) Republicans led the way. As it evolved (and included big government bureaucracies) it move from bipartisan to a Democratic issue. Many of those measures from the 60s have had mixed results. The Democrat’s embrace of and the Republican’s ultimate rejection of the Great Society resulted in the black community becoming overwhelmingly Democratic.
Those were the standard bearers of the Republican Party 60 years ago.
The standard bearers of the Republican Party today thank "great people" who shout "white power" and say the citizens of a majority black city aren't "well rounded" or "working class" enough.
Things change. Most of the GOP leaders of the 50s and 60s would be condemned today as RINOs. Heck, tax-raising, amnesty-giving, government-expanding, FDR-loving Ronald Reagan wouldn't win a GOP primary for dog catcher today.
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Those were the standard bearers of the Republican Party 60 years ago.
The standard bearers of the Republican Party today thank "great people" who shout "white power" and say the citizens of a majority black city aren't "well rounded" or "working class" enough.
Things change. Most of the GOP leaders of the 50s and 60s would be condemned today as RINOs. Heck, tax-raising, amnesty-giving, government-expanding, FDR-loving Ronald Reagan wouldn't win a GOP primary for dog catcher today.
Shhh, don’t say that out loud. Also, don’t mention that the biggest opponent of the CRA, Strom Thurmond, left the Democratic Party over the CRA alone and was welcomed with open arms by the GOP.
Ike would be considered a raging liberal today. Interstate system? Sounds pretty socialist to me.
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The first Civil Rights Act since 1875 was actually passed in 1957. It was spearheaded by Richard Nixon, who had become friendly with MLK earlier that year. In the Senate, the vote was 72-18 (43-0 Republicans, 29-18 Democrats). In the House the vote was 286-136 (167-19 Republicans, 119-107 Democrats).
Initially (and as a freedom issue) Republicans led the way. As it evolved (and included big government bureaucracies) it move from bipartisan to a Democratic issue. Many of those measures from the 60s have had mixed results. The Democrat’s embrace of and the Republican’s ultimate rejection of the Great Society resulted in the black community becoming overwhelmingly Democratic.
Absolutely. Back in the 1950s and 60s (and earlier) the Republican party was the more socially liberal of the two parties. The Democrats were the more conservative party on social issues. Over time they evolved and eventually flip flopped on social issues. That's why those who shout out "Republicans freed the slaves" or "A higher % of Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act" are correct but missing the point. Social liberals freed the slaves and passed the Civil Rights Act. Today, most social liberals tend to vote for the Democratic party.
Parties will always evolve and change their positions. The definitions of liberal and conservative never change.
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And, in the United States as a white person, or a person of a different background but has assimilated or passed as white, you are not enslaved or treated like your ancestors. That’s privilege.
I’m not calling you out personally, your response isn’t unique and often predictable. This point of view is neither universal nor objective. I get it, we often don’t feel privileged, but having a discussion about race/racism rather than experiencing it on a daily basis is privilege.
Right after the bombing of Pearl Harbor the KKK burned a cross in my Grandparents front yard because they were German but worse Catholic. They lived in rural West Virginia. I am Slav on my Dads side and German on Mothers side of the family. We have experienced prejudice as well.
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Right after the bombing of Pearl Harbor the KKK burned a cross in my Grandparents front yard because they were German but worse Catholic. They lived in rural West Virginia. I am Slav on my Dads side and German on Mothers side of the family. We have experienced prejudice as well.
Which doesn’t change the fact that you get treated differently than other people based on your skin color.
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Which doesn’t change the fact that you get treated differently than other people based on your skin color.
The KKK did not care about skin color of Grandparents.
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The KKK did not care about skin color of Grandparents.
Right. That was 70 years ago. BLM is talking about now.
White priviledge has nothing to do with the past. It has to do with how you are treated TODAY based on your skin color.
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Right after the bombing of Pearl Harbor the KKK burned a cross in my Grandparents front yard because they were German but worse Catholic. They lived in rural West Virginia. I am Slav on my Dads side and German on Mothers side of the family. We have experienced prejudice as well.
That is awful, and unacceptable, then and now. I am certainly not trying to diminish what you have gone through or felt.
I would think you or someone like you who has experienced prejudice/racism/racist acts, or their relatives have gone through it, would be the first to step up against it rather than trying to justify it through personal experience. Racist/prejudiced treatment isn’t a contest or a time for one upsmanship nor a stick to measure experiences against. It should merely be stopped, for everyone. In today’s US it hasn’t stopped for black and people of color, but it has stopped for you.
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That is awful, and unacceptable, then and now. I am certainly not trying to diminish what you have gone through or felt.
I would think you or someone like you who has experienced prejudice/racism/racist acts, or their relatives have gone through it, would be the first to step up against it rather than trying to justify it through personal experience. Racist/prejudiced treatment isn’t a contest or a time for one upsmanship nor a stick to measure experiences against. It should merely be stopped, for everyone. In today’s US it hasn’t stopped for black and people of color, but it has stopped for you.
I agree it should be stopped for everyone, but as long as black and people of color and people like you believe that people like me are superior and privileged and the only race that can be racist it has not stopped for me or anyone else. The racial divide will only get worse.
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I agree it should be stopped for everyone, but as long as black and people of color and people like you believe that people like me are superior and privileged and the only race that can be racist it will not stop for me or anyone else.
That's the problem. People "like you" are not "superior," but they are certainly treated that way in certain areas of life. Hence, they have "white privilege." Anybody who does not see that this is the reality of the nation we live in just doesn't have their eyes open.
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I agree it should be stopped for everyone, but as long as black and people of color and people like you believe that people like me are superior and privileged and the only race that can be racist it has not stop for me or anyone else.
We are privileged. Read through the examples given in this thread why.
No one said you were superior for being white. I think you may be confusing the two.
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Absolutely. Back in the 1950s and 60s (and earlier) the Republican party was the more socially liberal of the two parties. The Democrats were the more conservative party on social issues. Over time they evolved and eventually flip flopped on social issues. That's why those who shout out "Republicans freed the slaves" or "A higher % of Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act" are correct but missing the point. Social liberals freed the slaves and passed the Civil Rights Act. Today, most social liberals tend to vote for the Democratic party.
Parties will always evolve and change their positions. The definitions of liberal and conservative never change.
I know you know this, but “evolved and eventually flipped” is very simplistic. Dixiecrats left Democrats and joined Republicans. Some northern moderate Republicans became Democrats. I guess what I just wrote is simplistic also. There are volumes written on this!
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We are privileged. Read through the examples given in this thread why.
No one said you were superior for being white. I think you may be confusing the two.
Yes. White people have "privilege." As a result there are special business loan programs for women (oddly white women too) and people of color. There are also affirmative action requirements. Nothing wrong with either of these programs, yet as an employer, when you hire a POC, you are then subject to potential litigation for wrongful termination, discrimination, etc. Further, when the narrative gets pushed that whites are generally racist, what else is a POC going to think if terminated?
The reality is that generally people hire from within their personal network, or want to hire people who come referred. It is just the norm that typically a person's personal network is vastly comprised of people of their own ethnicity. Further there is just an inherent comfort people tend to have with people of their own ethnicity - it's not overt, nor is it racist - it's just a reality. This is why if you look at Hispanic owned businesses, Black owned businesses the vast majority of their employees are Hispanic, and Black, respectively. That doesn't make those business owners "racist." They then are also not subject to being sued for discrimination if they terminate whitey.
Race is a complex issue in America, yet the end of the day, liberal policy has been the rule of our cities for 60+ years, and things have only gotten worse for the Black community. Empathy is great, yet it also can enable a victim mindset, which is a surefire formula for defeat.
Lastly, of course Black lives matter. It is completely dishonest to extrapolate the bad judgement and potential racist underpinnings of a sliver of cops to the whole group. Further, the BLM movement rings hollow, when they are nowhere to be found trying to solve the problem of Black on Black homicides/gang violence in the inner cities. Best to get one's own house in order, before trying to blame the neighbors.
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Yes. White people have "privilege." As a result there are special business loan programs for women (oddly white women too) and people of color. There are also affirmative action requirements. Nothing wrong with either of these programs, yet as an employer, when you hire a POC, you are then subject to potential litigation for wrongful termination, discrimination, etc. Further, when the narrative gets pushed that whites are generally racist, what else is a POC going to think if terminated?
The reality is that generally people hire from within their personal network, or want to hire people who come referred. It is just the norm that typically a person's personal network is vastly comprised of people of their own ethnicity. Further there is just an inherent comfort people tend to have with people of their own ethnicity - it's not overt, nor is it racist - it's just a reality. This is why if you look at Hispanic owned businesses, Black owned businesses the vast majority of their employees are Hispanic, and Black, respectively. That doesn't make those business owners "racist." They then are also not subject to being sued for discrimination if they terminate whitey.
Race is a complex issue in America, yet the end of the day, liberal policy has been the rule of our cities for 60+ years, and things have only gotten worse for the Black community. Empathy is great, yet it also can enable a victim mindset, which is a surefire formula for defeat.
Lastly, of course Black lives matter. It is completely dishonest to extrapolate the bad judgement and potential racist underpinnings of a sliver of cops to the whole group. Further, the BLM movement rings hollow, when they are nowhere to be found trying to solve the problem of Black on Black homicides/gang violence in the inner cities. Best to get one's own house in order, before trying to blame the neighbors.
You are the true victim.
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Yes. White people have "privilege." As a result there are special business loan programs for women (oddly white women too) and people of color. There are also affirmative action requirements. Nothing wrong with either of these programs, yet as an employer, when you hire a POC, you are then subject to potential litigation for wrongful termination, discrimination, etc. Further, when the narrative gets pushed that whites are generally racist, what else is a POC going to think if terminated?
The reality is that generally people hire from within their personal network, or want to hire people who come referred. It is just the norm that typically a person's personal network is vastly comprised of people of their own ethnicity. Further there is just an inherent comfort people tend to have with people of their own ethnicity - it's not overt, nor is it racist - it's just a reality. This is why if you look at Hispanic owned businesses, Black owned businesses the vast majority of their employees are Hispanic, and Black, respectively. That doesn't make those business owners "racist." They then are also not subject to being sued for discrimination if they terminate whitey.
Race is a complex issue in America, yet the end of the day, liberal policy has been the rule of our cities for 60+ years, and things have only gotten worse for the Black community. Empathy is great, yet it also can enable a victim mindset, which is a surefire formula for defeat.
Lastly, of course Black lives matter. It is completely dishonest to extrapolate the bad judgement and potential racist underpinnings of a sliver of cops to the whole group. Further, the BLM movement rings hollow, when they are nowhere to be found trying to solve the problem of Black on Black homicides/gang violence in the inner cities. Best to get one's own house in order, before trying to blame the neighbors.
I agree with this analysis.
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You are the true victim.
This is the type of response people make when they cannot factually argue against the stated position.
Thanks for once again illustrating your ignorance.
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I agree it should be stopped for everyone, but as long as black and people of color and people like you believe that people like me are superior and privileged and the only race that can be racist it has not stopped for me or anyone else. The racial divide will only get worse.
I am glad we agree it should be stopped, and I actually had no doubt that we would. I am only going off the info you shared about yourself and your family, you mentioned you are white. I am not actually telling you that you are privileged, that is for you to figure out. I am only pointing out where privilege exists and that I know I am privileged as a white person. Being privileged isn't a bad thing, and I certainly will not give it up to the detriment of my two teenage sons, for example. But, it is a bad thing when it is disregarded and at worst used to oppress a fellow human. For example, my oldest son is taking the ACT test. For a few extra dollars he can receive his answers, which, I assume, is better for him. So, I paid for it. It has been argued that white people generally make more money than black people (I am using a generalization here, I know that my statement is not absolute). So, it can be argued that a black male who took the ACT may not have the same opportunity to pay for the answers. Will I not pay for them because of my privilege, will this even things out? Absolutely not, I will pay for the answers AND I will work to make sure that the black family can pay for their son's answers, too.
No one said that white people are the only people that can be racist, but we are specifically discussing the treatment of and the system against people of color. The racial divide will continue to get worse if we as white people do not step up and change the treatment of and system against people of color. It is that simple. The racial divide for you might get worse because of the experiences you and your family have had, and if you continue to compare it to the experiences of people of color. So long as you continue to make your experience and their experience a battle of which is worse, it will continue to get worse, no doubt. This isn't about who has it worse, it is about how can we get to a point where we all have it best.
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We are privileged. Read through the examples given in this thread why.
No one said you were superior for being white. I think you may be confusing the two.
How is that confusing? If I am privileged for being white, then white must be better/superior than being non-white as I am granted special rights, advantages, or immunities granted to me for just being white.
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Yes. White people have "privilege." As a result there are special business loan programs for women (oddly white women too) and people of color. There are also affirmative action requirements. Nothing wrong with either of these programs, yet as an employer, when you hire a POC, you are then subject to potential litigation for wrongful termination, discrimination, etc. Further, when the narrative gets pushed that whites are generally racist, what else is a POC going to think if terminated?
I work in Title VII and Title IX compliance. I get just as many complaints from white people and men claiming that they were fired for their race/sex as I do women and people of color. You are open to litigation no matter who you hire.
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I agree with this analysis.
Thanks Herm. As a Black man you have a hell of a lot more credibility to weigh in on the Black experience than any White person posting here. Meanwhile, these same empathetic and "woke" whiteys take shots at you at every turn. Comical.
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Those were the standard bearers of the Republican Party 60 years ago.
The standard bearers of the Republican Party today thank "great people" who shout "white power" and say the citizens of a majority black city aren't "well rounded" or "working class" enough.
Things change. Most of the GOP leaders of the 50s and 60s would be condemned today as RINOs. Heck, tax-raising, amnesty-giving, government-expanding, FDR-loving Ronald Reagan wouldn't win a GOP primary for dog catcher today.
Ronald Reagan slashed taxes early in and when he “raised” them in 82-83, it only reduced what he had lowered them by by one third. Taxes were considerably lower when he left office than they were when he took office. He gave amnesty based on a promise from Democrats that they would secure our borders in return. Never happened. Ronald Reagan was the most popular Republican ever. If he was in the picture Trump would never have happened.
You’re right, though, that the parties (due in great part to gerrymandering) have become more extreme. Imagine fiscally conservative JFK (I think he also voted against one of the provisions of the Civil Rights Act of 1957) trying to deal with woke socialists in the Democratic Party today. More recently, what would Bill Clinton’s chances look like today.
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This is the type of response people make when they cannot factually argue against the stated position.
Thanks for once again illustrating your ignorance.
Pretty sure Fluffy can pick apart your argument because it's been done so many times before. It's just not worth anyone's time anymore.
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Yes. White people have "privilege." As a result there are special business loan programs for women (oddly white women too) and people of color. There are also affirmative action requirements. Nothing wrong with either of these programs, yet as an employer, when you hire a POC, you are then subject to potential litigation for wrongful termination, discrimination, etc. Further, when the narrative gets pushed that whites are generally racist, what else is a POC going to think if terminated?
The reality is that generally people hire from within their personal network, or want to hire people who come referred. It is just the norm that typically a person's personal network is vastly comprised of people of their own ethnicity. Further there is just an inherent comfort people tend to have with people of their own ethnicity - it's not overt, nor is it racist - it's just a reality. This is why if you look at Hispanic owned businesses, Black owned businesses the vast majority of their employees are Hispanic, and Black, respectively. That doesn't make those business owners "racist." They then are also not subject to being sued for discrimination if they terminate whitey.
Race is a complex issue in America, yet the end of the day, liberal policy has been the rule of our cities for 60+ years, and things have only gotten worse for the Black community. Empathy is great, yet it also can enable a victim mindset, which is a surefire formula for defeat.
Lastly, of course Black lives matter. It is completely dishonest to extrapolate the bad judgement and potential racist underpinnings of a sliver of cops to the whole group. Further, the BLM movement rings hollow, when they are nowhere to be found trying to solve the problem of Black on Black homicides/gang violence in the inner cities. Best to get one's own house in order, before trying to blame the neighbors.
These are a lot of hot button, political statements, so I won't try to argue any of those with you. But, I will say one thing about your comment regarding people of color and thus being subject to litigation. It has nothing to do with the person of color, it has to do with how you treat that person. Hiring a person of color does not open you up to discrimination litigation, discriminatory behavior does. Employees are protected. A reason you might feel hiring a person of color makes it worse is because our country had to write specific laws in support of people of color in the workplace. This is to combat the system that is stacked against people of color.
Finally, I would add that I disagree that empathy is a victim's mentality. It is the epitome of strength.
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I work in Title VII and Title IX compliance. I get just as many complaints from white people and men claiming that they were fired for their race/sex as I do women and people of color. You are open to litigation no matter who you hire.
Okay, even if what you say is true, you are open to further litigation when hiring protected classes.
Here is a list of recent Title VII litigations. Pretty sure I don't see any whites listed as the plaintiffs.
https://www.eeoc.gov/significant-eeoc-racecolor-casescovering-private-and-federal-sectors
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Pretty sure Fluffy can pick apart your argument because it's been done so many times before. It's just not worth anyone's time anymore.
No. It hasn't. I've provided stats, facts, data, and none of it matters to you, Fluffy, or the other woke whites.
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Thanks Herm. As a Black man you have a hell of a lot more credibility to weigh in on the Black experience than any White person posting here. Meanwhile, these same empathetic and "woke" whiteys take shots at you at every turn. Comical.
This is a cop out. Yes, a black man has a hell of a lot more credibility to weigh in on his black experience. But, to dismiss the role a white person has in the black experience is just a way to not have to deal with it. I get it, discussing race is tough, we don't want to screw it up, it's not our fight, how can we possibly talk about the black experience. But, to ignore or dismiss the discussion because you are white just perpetuates the system in place. That is what has been happening all over our country for centuries.
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This is the type of response people make when they cannot factually argue against the stated position.
Thanks for once again illustrating your ignorance.
I have attempted to factually address your points in the past. You have chosen to ignore it and continue to spout your....interesting....views.
So I am mocking you instead.
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Imagine fiscally conservative JFK (I think he also voted against one of the provisions of the Civil Rights Act of 1957) trying to deal with woke socialists in the Democratic Party today.
Do you think Republicans today are fiscal conservatives?
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Ronald Reagan slashed taxes early in and when he “raised” them in 82-83, it only reduced what he had lowered them by by one third. Taxes were considerably lower when he left office than they were when he took office. He gave amnesty based on a promise from Democrats that they would secure our borders in return. Never happened. Ronald Reagan was the most popular Republican ever. If he was in the picture Trump would never have happened.
I don't disagree with any of this, but it doesn't change anything I wrote. A candidate with a record similar to that of Reagan would stand zero chance of becoming a standard bearer for today's GOP and would be lambasted by conservative pols and conservative media as a RINO (see: Romney, Mitt).
You’re right, though, that the parties (due in great part to gerrymandering) have become more extreme. Imagine fiscally conservative JFK (I think he also voted against one of the provisions of the Civil Rights Act of 1957) trying to deal with woke socialists in the Democratic Party today. More recently, what would Bill Clinton’s chances look like today.
Clinton and JFK would succeed in today's Democratic Party, just as his Hillary and Biden have succeeded. For all the talk of socialism and the far left takeover, what exactly has a far left/socialist candidate won on the national stage? Biden entered the race late and bumbled his way through the early months and still crushed Sanders and Warren combined by more than 2-to-1. In truth, despite a huge head start, Bernie won fewer states and secured fewer delegates this year than in 2016.
The facts don't align with the claim.
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I have attempted to factually address your points in the past. You have chosen to ignore it and continue to spout your....interesting....views.
So I am mocking you instead.
No you haven't. And quite frankly, being mocked by a lightweight like you is laughable.
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Thanks Herm. As a Black man you have a hell of a lot more credibility to weigh in on the Black experience than any White person posting here. Meanwhile, these same empathetic and "woke" whiteys take shots at you at every turn. Comical.
There's a sucker born every day.
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Yes. White people have "privilege." As a result there are special business loan programs for women (oddly white women too) and people of color. There are also affirmative action requirements. Nothing wrong with either of these programs, yet as an employer, when you hire a POC, you are then subject to potential litigation for wrongful termination, discrimination, etc. Further, when the narrative gets pushed that whites are generally racist, what else is a POC going to think if terminated?
The reality is that generally people hire from within their personal network, or want to hire people who come referred. It is just the norm that typically a person's personal network is vastly comprised of people of their own ethnicity. Further there is just an inherent comfort people tend to have with people of their own ethnicity - it's not overt, nor is it racist - it's just a reality. This is why if you look at Hispanic owned businesses, Black owned businesses the vast majority of their employees are Hispanic, and Black, respectively. That doesn't make those business owners "racist." They then are also not subject to being sued for discrimination if they terminate whitey.
Race is a complex issue in America, yet the end of the day, liberal policy has been the rule of our cities for 60+ years, and things have only gotten worse for the Black community. Empathy is great, yet it also can enable a victim mindset, which is a surefire formula for defeat.
Lastly, of course Black lives matter. It is completely dishonest to extrapolate the bad judgement and potential racist underpinnings of a sliver of cops to the whole group. Further, the BLM movement rings hollow, when they are nowhere to be found trying to solve the problem of Black on Black homicides/gang violence in the inner cities. Best to get one's own house in order, before trying to blame the neighbors.
You're attempting to lecture a business owner who has had to hire and fire people of every race. We've been sued for wrongful termination exactly zero times. And we hover around 50% of our employees identifying as minorities.
What is your obsession with the 'other'? Now its every Black person's responsibility to stop Black on Black violence? How do you propose they do this? Ask nicely?
Dude, you're a segregationist caricature. Everything I bolded has racist underpinnings.
Maybe YOU should get your own house in order before lecturing. You know, something YOU can control.
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How is that confusing? If I am privileged for being white, then white must be better/superior than being non-white as I am granted special rights, advantages, or immunities granted to me for just being white.
Because your equivocating them. Superiority implies being above someone. Having privilege doesn't mean you're better, just that you enjoy benefits that others do not.
Do you think someone who is inferior can have privileges that someone superior cannot?
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Yes. White people have "privilege." As a result there are special business loan programs for women (oddly white women too) and people of color. There are also affirmative action requirements. Nothing wrong with either of these programs, yet as an employer, when you hire a POC, you are then subject to potential litigation for wrongful termination, discrimination, etc. Further, when the narrative gets pushed that whites are generally racist, what else is a POC going to think if terminated?
The reality is that generally people hire from within their personal network, or want to hire people who come referred. It is just the norm that typically a person's personal network is vastly comprised of people of their own ethnicity. Further there is just an inherent comfort people tend to have with people of their own ethnicity - it's not overt, nor is it racist - it's just a reality. This is why if you look at Hispanic owned businesses, Black owned businesses the vast majority of their employees are Hispanic, and Black, respectively. That doesn't make those business owners "racist." They then are also not subject to being sued for discrimination if they terminate whitey.
Race is a complex issue in America, yet the end of the day, liberal policy has been the rule of our cities for 60+ years, and things have only gotten worse for the Black community. Empathy is great, yet it also can enable a victim mindset, which is a surefire formula for defeat.
Lastly, of course Black lives matter. It is completely dishonest to extrapolate the bad judgement and potential racist underpinnings of a sliver of cops to the whole group. Further, the BLM movement rings hollow, when they are nowhere to be found trying to solve the problem of Black on Black homicides/gang violence in the inner cities. Best to get one's own house in order, before trying to blame the neighbors.
1) You don't understand the BLM movement, and that's on you. Ignorance is not an excuse for stupidity. Read up on it and maybe you'll be able to have an informed, intelligent conversation about it.
2) More "whities" kill "whities" than black people kill black people in the USA (at least in 2016. I didn't care to spend too much time looking, and based on my quick Google search 2016 was the article I found). Why aren't you crying about "whities" and all their problem?
3) Nobody denies murders are an issue. The difference is that justice is typically pursued when an offender is a black civilian. When it's a "whitie" cop they walk free unless it's all caught on video from start to finish, and even then it's sometime excused. Absolutely crazy.
Thanks Herm. As a Black man you have a hell of a lot more credibility to weigh in on the Black experience than any White person posting here. Meanwhile, these same empathetic and "woke" whiteys take shots at you at every turn. Comical.
A white person calling a bunch of white people "whities." Talk about comical. And also believing that herman has said one word of truth on MUScoop. Very comical.
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No you haven't. And quite frankly, being mocked by a lightweight like you is laughable.
Yeah I have. You apparently have chosen to ignore them. Which is fine. You seem to be angry and victimized, and I've learned that people like that don't really want to learn. They want to preach. And I'm not interested in your preachings.
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You're attempting to lecture a business owner who has had to hire and fire people of every race. We've been sued for wrongful termination exactly zero times. And we hover around 50% of our employees identifying as minorities.
What is your obsession with the 'other'? Now its every Black person's responsibility to stop Black on Black violence? How do you propose they do this? Ask nicely?
Dude, you're a segregationist caricature. Everything I bolded has racist underpinnings.
Maybe YOU should get your own house in order before lecturing. You know, something YOU can control.
Weird, this has to be Ners 15th time mentioning black on black crime, but never has brought the very pressing issue of white on white crime...because ya know what, the overwhelming # of white victims of violent crime, the assailant is DRUMROLLLLLL white...
Direct correlation of violent crime is poverty and proximity to ones home...and ya know what, poor white people who commit crimes generally live around other poor white people, poor latino people who commit crimes live in neighborhoods with high concentrations of latino people, and same goes for neighborhoods with %s of black people.
This is not hard.
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I don't disagree with any of this, but it doesn't change anything I wrote. A candidate with a record similar to that of Reagan would stand zero chance of becoming a standard bearer for today's GOP and would be lambasted by conservative pols and conservative media as a RINO (see: Romney, Mitt).
Clinton and JFK would succeed in today's Democratic Party, just as his Hillary and Biden have succeeded. For all the talk of socialism and the far left takeover, what exactly has a far left/socialist candidate won on the national stage? Biden entered the race late and bumbled his way through the early months and still crushed Sanders and Warren combined by more than 2-to-1. In truth, despite a huge head start, Bernie won fewer states and secured fewer delegates this year than in 2016.
The facts don't align with the claim.
Disagree on Reagan. Always a conservative, never a RINO - though I do agree that Trump (anything but a true conservative) has, for the time being, turned things upside down a bit.
As to the Democrats, Hillary had the support of their machine, more money than God and the blessing of an extremely popular Democratic President. She won in a photo finish against an old socialist from Vermont. This year he was even older and Warren took some of his votes, but the Ds remain close to 50% in the Bernie/Warren camp. Far more socialists than at any time in my life.k
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Disagree on Reagan. Always a conservative, never a RINO - though I do agree that Trump (anything but a true conservative) has, for the time being, turned things upside down a bit.
Always... except for that whole period prior to 1962 when he was a democrat.
I do agree about Reagan, wasn't there but from what i gather about then vs now his first term especially would be considered RINO Now. Maybe his second would put him solidly in as a R by today's standards.
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Reagan always had to deal with a Democratic House of Reps, and for his last two years, a Democratic House and Senate. Compromising to get things done was more of a thing back then.
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Disagree on Reagan. Always a conservative, never a RINO - though I do agree that Trump (anything but a true conservative) has, for the time being, turned things upside down a bit.
As to the Democrats, Hillary had the support of their machine, more money than God and the blessing of an extremely popular Democratic President. She won in a photo finish against an old socialist from Vermont. This year he was even older and Warren took some of his votes, but the Ds remain close to 50% in the Bernie/Warren camp. Far more socialists than at any time in my life.k
By the end of Reagan’s term, many conservatives such as George Will has turned on him. His approach to Gorbachev and the Soviet Union in particular.
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https://www.espn.com/soccer/english-premier-league/story/4124634/english-tv-commentary-across-leagues-shows-racial-biasstudy-claims
Seems relevant. No one is saying that the commentators are racists, just that privilege can come in many, sometimes covert, forms.
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Disagree on Reagan. Always a conservative, never a RINO - though I do agree that Trump (anything but a true conservative) has, for the time being, turned things upside down a bit.
As to the Democrats, Hillary had the support of their machine, more money than God and the blessing of an extremely popular Democratic President. She won in a photo finish against an old socialist from Vermont. This year he was even older and Warren took some of his votes, but the Ds remain close to 50% in the Bernie/Warren camp. Far more socialists than at any time in my life.k
This got left behind in the other thread, so repeating it here...
Re: Reagan ... I'm not saying he was a RINO, I'm saying that's how he'd be treated by today's GOP, and more particularly today's conservative media. I don't see Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity embracing a Hollywood actor from California who waxes poetic about FDR, backs amnesty for illegal immigrants, supports collective bargaining for government workers and signs gun control legislation.
Curious as to what you base the bolded upon. Bernie and Warren together earned about a third as many delegates as Biden. And while you can argue that Warren took some of Sanders' votes, the same could be said for Bloomberg, Buttigieg and Klobuchar taking Biden votes.
Doing the math, the moderates still won twice as many delegates as the leftists.
Compare that to the 2016 GOP race, in which Trump and Cruz won about six times as many delegates as Kasich and Rubio.
I think it's fair to say both parties have shifted further to their respective extremes. But when it comes to major offices and national races, the shift has been far more prevalent with the GOP.
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This got left behind in the other thread, so repeating it here...
Re: Reagan ... I'm not saying he was a RINO, I'm saying that's how he'd be treated by today's GOP, and more particularly today's conservative media. I don't see Tucker Carlson and Sean Hannity embracing a Hollywood actor from California who waxes poetic about FDR, backs amnesty for illegal immigrants, supports collective bargaining for government workers and signs gun control legislation.
Curious as to what you base the bolded upon. Bernie and Warren together earned about a third as many delegates as Biden. And while you can argue that Warren took some of Sanders' votes, the same could be said for Bloomberg, Buttigieg and Klobuchar taking Biden votes.
Doing the math, the moderates still won twice as many delegates as the leftists.
Compare that to the 2016 GOP race, in which Trump and Cruz won about six times as many delegates as Kasich and Rubio.
I think it's fair to say both parties have shifted further to their respective extremes. But when it comes to major offices and national races, the shift has been far more prevalent with the GOP.
After overwhelmingly winning the popular vote in 1980, 84 and 88, Republicans have only received the plurality of the popular vote in one Presidential election since then - 2004. They're not likely to do it this year either. That's 32 years. Likely seven of the last eight elections.
The Electoral College, with it's weighting toward smaller, rural states, is the system we have. And its a good thing for the Republicans because they wouldn't have held the White House very often over the last three decades without it.
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Disagree on Reagan. Always a conservative, never a RINO - though I do agree that Trump (anything but a true conservative) has, for the time being, turned things upside down a bit.
As to the Democrats, Hillary had the support of their machine, more money than God and the blessing of an extremely popular Democratic President. She won in a photo finish against an old socialist from Vermont. This year he was even older and Warren took some of his votes, but the Ds remain close to 50% in the Bernie/Warren camp. Far more socialists than at any time in my life.k
dude, that's laughable. First, Hillary did not win in a "photo finish" against Bernie. The states were Bernie was winning were open primary states, where the far left could vote despite not being members of the party. In the end, enough of them did not vote for Hillary AND voted for Trump to swing the election. The only seats where "socialists" are successful are the beyond solid blue seats, and even then there needs to be very favorable circumstances line up to get the "socialist" to win. Watching Fox News has made you believe that AOC and her "Squad" have actual power in the party. They don't. AOC is a twitter celebrity, little more. I called her "Congress Kardashian." She and the Justice Democrats have been rejected in contested races nationally, most recently in Kentucky. They aren't flipping seats. AOC herself was 0 for 12 in 2018 endorsements. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/05/sunday-review/democratic-party-ocasio-cortez.html
The far left is louder and more active on social media but they aren't winning.
However, in the GOP you have Q supporters winning primaries.
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My reference to LBJ was all the destructive social programs put in. Created a welfare culture that led to the destabilization of our families.
LBJ was a very cynical guy who was extremely corrupt. Had some business dealings with his estate in years past and learned a lot about him and his methods. He definitely got rich off the government.
LBJ was the first and only person to get rich off the government. Come on, look into shipbuilding, aerospece, explosives, not to mention defense conversion.
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Reagan always had to deal with a Democratic House of Reps, and for his last two years, a Democratic House and Senate. Compromising to get things done was more of a thing back then.
100% correct. I don’t long for the “good old days” like you know who, but I love to see the way we govern get somewhat sensible again.
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100% correct. I don’t long for the “good old days” like you know who, but I love to see the way we govern get somewhat sensible again.
Yep. People made reasonable compromises because they weren’t going to get called out on media that caters to either side.
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Do you think Republicans today are fiscal conservatives?
God, no. Until Trump is out of the picture that has zero chance of happening.
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God, no. Until Trump is out of the picture that has zero chance of happening.
I think it is much broader than Trump though, IMO. Republicans have campaigned on fiscal responsibility for decades now, but I think Nixon was the last one that walked the talk. Well, that's not true, Bush Sr. raised taxes in order to try to close the deficit and was shredded for it.
But Cheney blew the lid off when he admitted "deficits don't matter". Though I suspect deficits will suddenly be of dire consequence once again per McConnell if Biden is elected.
P.S. I didn't like Obama's deficits either. Spending to get us out of the Great Recession made a lot of sense IMO, but I thought his tax cut was inappropriate and unnecessary.
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I think it is much broader than Trump though, IMO. Republicans have campaigned on fiscal responsibility for decades now, but I think Nixon was the last one that walked the talk. Well, that's not true, Bush Sr. raised taxes in order to try to close the deficit and was shredded for it.
But Cheney blew the lid off when he admitted "deficits don't matter". Though I suspect deficits will suddenly be of dire consequence once again per McConnell if Biden is elected.
P.S. I didn't like Obama's deficits either. Spending to get us out of the Great Recession made a lot of sense IMO, but I thought his tax cut was inappropriate and unnecessary.
IF Mitch wins in 2020
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IF Mitch wins in 2020
I'm not holding my breath on that. In a Presidential election, there won't be as many split-ticket voters and Kentucky is going to go Trump.
He will be the Minority Leader, however...
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dude, that's laughable. First, Hillary did not win in a "photo finish" against Bernie. The states were Bernie was winning were open primary states, where the far left could vote despite not being members of the party. In the end, enough of them did not vote for Hillary AND voted for Trump to swing the election.
“Dude” is what’s laughable. That and the dead wrong assertion that Hillary lost because of socialists who voted for Trump. Hillary lost because because enough Democrats in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Ohio who voted for Obama twice voted for Trump.
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“Dude” is what’s laughable. That and the dead wrong assertion that Hillary lost because of socialists who voted for Trump. Hillary lost because because enough Democrats in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Ohio who voted for Obama twice voted for Trump.
100% Held my nose and voted for her.
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“Dude” is what’s laughable. That and the dead wrong assertion that Hillary lost because of socialists who voted for Trump. Hillary lost because because enough Democrats in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Ohio who voted for Obama twice voted for Trump.
Maybe that’s the media narrative but in the end enough Bernie Brats went for Trump and then you had those who went for Stein. The DSA would rather lose than compromise.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/sanders-voters-helped-trump-win-white-house-could-they-do-n1145306
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Black and POC privilege? I thought we wanted to end discrimination.
https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-edit-the-plays-the-thing-20200207-lsg2r7wbzzb5bfif3skmabyayy-story.html
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Black and POC privilege? I thought we wanted to end discrimination.
https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-edit-the-plays-the-thing-20200207-lsg2r7wbzzb5bfif3skmabyayy-story.html
That has nothing to do with priviledge. It's just dumb and illegal.
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Do you think Republicans today are fiscal conservatives?
Interesting question. Depends on the segment of the GOP you're talking about. Some are "yes," and others clearly not.
There are three wings of the party. They are:
Social Conservatives -- These are the folks that brought you our current President. They're also frequently fundamentalist Christians and they are "values" voters. They tend to want the government -- and taxes -- off their backs until it comes to religion and their way of life. Then they want the government to step in. They are fiscally conservative and tend to be found in rural areas of the south and Midwest. They vote.
Libertarians -- These folks brought us Ronald Reagan. They're true libertarians and believe the government should defend us and otherwise go away. Very fiscally conservative. Basically western Republicans who hate regulation and oversight and think the only good government is NO government.
Big Government Republicans -- These folks can spend money like even the most aggressive spenders in the Democratic party. Fiscal conservatives they are not. The difference between them and Democrats is they spend money locally. Democrats count on the national government. If you don't believe this bird exists, go to County Farm Road in DuPage County, IL and look at the size of that government complex. Or look at the compliant way in which many North Shore Chicago and DuPage County school districts pay property taxes for schools. These folks live in Suburbs. Florida is full of them.
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Interesting question. Depends on the segment of the GOP you're talking about. Some are "yes," and others clearly not.
There are three wings of the party. They are:
Social Conservatives -- These are the folks that brought you our current President. They're also frequently fundamentalist Christians and they are "values" voters. They tend to want the government -- and taxes -- off their backs until it comes to religion and their way of life. Then they want the government to step in. They are fiscally conservative and tend to be found in rural areas of the south and Midwest. They vote.
Libertarians -- These folks brought us Ronald Reagan. They're true libertarians and believe the government should defend us and otherwise go away. Very fiscally conservative. Basically western Republicans who hate regulation and oversight and think the only good government is NO government.
Big Government Republicans -- These folks can spend money like even the most aggressive spenders in the Democratic party. Fiscal conservatives they are not. The difference between them and Democrats is they spend money locally. Democrats count on the national government. If you don't believe this bird exists, go to County Farm Road in DuPage County, IL and look at the size of that government complex. Or look at the compliant way in which many North Shore Chicago and DuPage County school districts pay property taxes for schools. These folks live in Suburbs. Florida is full of them.
Where does the Department of Homeland Security fit on this spectrum.
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Interesting question. Depends on the segment of the GOP you're talking about. Some are "yes," and others clearly not.
There are three wings of the party. They are:
Social Conservatives -- These are the folks that brought you our current President. They're also frequently fundamentalist Christians and they are "values" voters. They tend to want the government -- and taxes -- off their backs until it comes to religion and their way of life. Then they want the government to step in. They are fiscally conservative and tend to be found in rural areas of the south and Midwest. They vote.
Libertarians -- These folks brought us Ronald Reagan. They're true libertarians and believe the government should defend us and otherwise go away. Very fiscally conservative. Basically western Republicans who hate regulation and oversight and think the only good government is NO government.
Big Government Republicans -- These folks can spend money like even the most aggressive spenders in the Democratic party. Fiscal conservatives they are not. The difference between them and Democrats is they spend money locally. Democrats count on the national government. If you don't believe this bird exists, go to County Farm Road in DuPage County, IL and look at the size of that government complex. Or look at the compliant way in which many North Shore Chicago and DuPage County school districts pay property taxes for schools. These folks live in Suburbs. Florida is full of them.
Ronald Reagan was a libertarian? Since when? He opposed gambling, prostitution, drugs, pornography, keeping the drinking at 18. And he increased military spending. These are all libertarian no-nos.
The GOP has gotten where it is today BECAUSE of Ronald Reagan. He courted the religious right and added a ton of debt.
Ron Paul was a true libertarian, and his son is a FAR cry from his ideals.
I get the feeling that a lot of people who claim to be libertarians say it now because it is easier than saying you're a Republican. Much like a lot of liberals consider themselves, 'progressives' instead of being Democrats.
https://www.libertarianism.org/everything-wrong-presidents/everything-wrong-reagan-administration
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That has nothing to do with priviledge. It's just dumb and illegal.
When Blacks and People of Color do it, its dumb and illegal; but when whites do it, its racist.
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When Blacks and People of Color do it, its dumb and illegal; but when whites do it, its racist.
It's dumb, stupid and racist. Is that better?
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It's dumb, stupid and racist. Is that better?
Finally!
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Finally!
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Black and POC privilege? I thought we wanted to end discrimination.
https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-edit-the-plays-the-thing-20200207-lsg2r7wbzzb5bfif3skmabyayy-story.html
You finally found the Holy Grail. White people have it the worst.
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Weird, this has to be Ners 15th time mentioning black on black crime, but never has brought the very pressing issue of white on white crime...because ya know what, the overwhelming # of white victims of violent crime, the assailant is DRUMROLLLLLL white...
Direct correlation of violent crime is poverty and proximity to ones home...and ya know what, poor white people who commit crimes generally live around other poor white people, poor latino people who commit crimes live in neighborhoods with high concentrations of latino people, and same goes for neighborhoods with %s of black people.
This is not hard.
Guess what? More whites are killed by police, than blacks. Population size matters, right? So when you or BLM posts that white on white killings outnumber black on black what's the point? Why would they not, with whites comprising 60% of population or 4.5x Black population?
Blacks perpetrate 40% of violent crime in U.S., despite comprising only 13% of the population. So, as a result there are more police interactions/involvements. Further, given this over-indexing of 3x as it relates to violent crime, why would police NOT have a heightened sense of alarm when dealing with Blacks?
What you don't have happening is white outrage over officer induced killings of white people - so it's not hypocritical to not lament the white on white killings. There's no freeways shut down, rioting, looting, burning buildings down. Nor, is there a White Lives Matter movement due to police killing more white people than Blacks.
This is not hard.
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Guess what? More whites are killed by police, than blacks. Population size matters, right? So when you or BLM posts that white on white killings outnumber black on black what's the point? Why would they not, with whites comprising 60% of population or 4.5x Black population?
Blacks perpetrate 40% of violent crime in U.S., despite comprising only 13% of the population. So, as a result there are more police interactions/involvements. Further, given this over-indexing of 3x as it relates to violent crime, why would police NOT have a heightened sense of alarm when dealing with Blacks?
What you don't have happening is white outrage over officer induced killings of white people - so it's not hypocritical to not lament the white on white killings. There's no freeways shut down, rioting, looting, burning buildings down. Nor, is there a White Lives Matter movement due to police killing more white people than Blacks.
This is not hard.
Sure seems to be for you.
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My reaction on reading another Ners' post on race.
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Guess what? More whites are killed by police, than blacks. Population size matters, right? So when you or BLM posts that white on white killings outnumber black on black what's the point? Why would they not, with whites comprising 60% of population or 4.5x Black population?
Black on black violence is a problem. All violence is a problem. BLM is about systematic racism by Police against minorities - a similar but different issue. Introducing different issues into this one only serves to let you ignore the racism that exists in your taxpayer funding police force. So congrats on being distracted by the squirrel.
Blacks perpetrate 40% of violent crime in U.S., despite comprising only 13% of the population. So, as a result there are more police interactions/involvements. Further, given this over-indexing of 3x as it relates to violent crime, why would police NOT have a heightened sense of alarm when dealing with Blacks?
So your response to "Police are racist" is "Well OF COURSE!!! They should be racist!!!"
Good argument.
What you don't have happening is white outrage over officer induced killings of white people - so it's not hypocritical to not lament the white on white killings. There's no freeways shut down, rioting, looting, burning buildings down. Nor, is there a White Lives Matter movement due to police killing more white people than Blacks.
So what's stopping you? Outside of general laziness.
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Blacks perpetrate 40% of violent crime in U.S., despite comprising only 13% of the population. So, as a result there are more police interactions/involvements. Further, given this over-indexing of 3x as it relates to violent crime, why would police NOT have a heightened sense of alarm when dealing with Blacks?
Yale did a study on use of force that accounted for all these factors and found that black Americans were still far more likely to endure some kind of force than white.
"On non-lethal uses of force, there are racial differences – sometimes quite large – in police use of force, even after accounting for a large set of controls designed to account for important contextual and behavioral factors at the time of the police-civilian interaction. Interestingly, as use of force increases from putting hands on a civilian to striking them with a baton, the overall probability of such an incident occurring decreases dramatically but the racial difference remains roughly constant. Even when officers report civilians have been compliant and no arrest was made, blacks are 21.3 (0.04) percent more likely to endure some form of force."
Interestingly, the racial disparity lessens only when the use of force becomes lethal.
https://law.yale.edu/sites/default/files/area/workshop/leo/leo16_fryer.pdf
Feel free to start your own White Lives Matter movement.
My guess is, though, you don't care about white people who are killed by police any more than you care about black people killed by police. You just want to defend racism.
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“Dude” is what’s laughable. That and the dead wrong assertion that Hillary lost because of socialists who voted for Trump. Hillary lost because because enough Democrats in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Ohio who voted for Obama twice voted for Trump.
read "Shattered" the inside story on HRC's campaign. Insiders complained that she didn't campaign and right up until the election was asking staff "What is my message?'
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White privilege is getting to point guns at people walking past your home and facing no legal consequences.
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White priviledge is wearing that 25 year old pink polo in public. Look at that thing.
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White privilege is getting to point guns at people walking past your home and facing no legal consequences.
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She has clearly never fired a gun in her life. Finger on the trigger, no stance, and her wrist would probably shatter if she did squeeze one off.
And don't get me started about her husband. Not where the stock butt goes at all. They've seen too many movies.
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White priviledge is wearing that 25 year old pink polo in public. Look at that thing.
He at least could have popped the collar, you know?
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White priviledge is having gaudy taste yet still having your house profiled in a local magazine.
https://www.stlmag.com/design/a-decades-long-renovation-returns-a-midwestern-palazzo-to-it/
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White privilege is getting to point guns at people walking past your home and facing no legal consequences.
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To be fair, they spent most of their time pointing their guns at each other than people walking by
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To be fair, they spent most of their time pointing their guns at each other than people walking by
I never claimed they were good at it.
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White privilege is getting to point guns at people walking past your home and facing no legal consequences.
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Missouri Castle Doctrine (one can have a separate debate on this law) governs here as the protesters were on private property. They're psychos but under the law, they didn't do anything wrong (and the protesters were in the wrong neighborhood):
"Anders Walker, a constitutional law professor at St. Louis University, said that although it's "very dangerous" to engage protesters with guns, the homeowners broke no laws by brandishing or pointing weapons at them because Portland Place is a private street. He said the McCloskeys are protected by Missouri's Castle Doctrine, which allows people to use deadly force to defend private property.
"At any point that you enter the property, they can then, in Missouri, use deadly force to get you off the lawn," Walker said, calling the state's Castle Doctrine a "force field" that "indemnifies you, and you can even pull the trigger in Missouri."
Luckily, Walker said, no one got shot.
"There's no right to protest on those streets," Walker said. "The protesters thought they had a right to protest, but as a technical matter, they were not allowed to be there. ... It’s essentially a private estate. If anyone was violating the law, it was the protesters. In fact, if (the McCloskeys) have photos of the protesters, they could go after them for trespassing.""
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/couple-points-guns-at-protesters-marching-to-st-louis-mayor-s-home-to-demand-resignation/article_9edc57ed-c307-583f-9226-a44ba6ac9c03.html
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Yeah they were on a private street. My understanding is that Ken and Karen don't own the street, but are members of the association that does.
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I don't think anyone is arguing what they did was illegal... but they look like idiots.
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White privilege is getting to point guns at people walking past your home and facing no legal consequences.
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But the 12 year old black kid with a toy gun at the park is shot within 6 seconds of police arriving at the park. BUT WHITE PEOPLE GET KILLED BY COPS TOO!
At least Ners leaves no doubt.
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Missouri Castle Doctrine (one can have a separate debate on this law) governs here as the protesters were on private property. They're psychos but under the law, they didn't do anything wrong (and the protesters were in the wrong neighborhood):
"Anders Walker, a constitutional law professor at St. Louis University, said that although it's "very dangerous" to engage protesters with guns, the homeowners broke no laws by brandishing or pointing weapons at them because Portland Place is a private street. He said the McCloskeys are protected by Missouri's Castle Doctrine, which allows people to use deadly force to defend private property.
There's some debate here. The law states a person can use deadly force "to the extent he or she reasonably believes such force to be necessary to defend himself or herself or a third person from what he or she reasonably believes to be the use or imminent use of unlawful force by such other person.”
It also states such force may be used "against a person who unlawfully enters, remains after unlawfully entering, or attempts to unlawfully enter private property that is owned or leased by an individual.”
The question here, then, is whether it's reasonable to believe the people walking past their home were going to "imminently use unlawful force" against them? There seems to be no evidence of that.
Likewise, the street is not owned by an individual, but rather an association.
The mere fact they were walking down a private street would not seem to enact the Castle Doctrine, at least not how it's written.
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With regards to the St. Louis couple, there has been some discussion as to the specifics of the law, meaning the couple can protect their physical home but not the rest of their property, nor the street, nor the neighborhood. That is being debated under Missouri law.
The property and neighborhood is private and all fees upkeep to the streets etc are paid by the home owners. There are several of these gated streets, seven figure historic homes in the Central West End (CWE) St. Louis City neighborhood. Most of the time there are big closed gates. Some of the streets are not gated.
This couple's home is the first house off of a very busy wide several lane street called Kingshighway. Rick Majerus used to live one block away. It is a very racially diverse, eclectic, upper middle class to wealthy area with a lot going on.....They had a broken small gated door partially open and some protestors (on their way to the Mayor's house) turned off of the large busy street to cut through. The protestors immediately entered private property but again there has been some debate to what the couple and cannot protect. None of the protestors were going up to their home, just passing by on their way elsewhere. The couple is a bit out of place in the sense that this is not a "Trump" friendly type of neighborhood.
The backstory is that the Mayor (Moderate Democrat only in office a few years) out of frustrated spite read the names of people with addresses that had proposed specific police reform, budgets. Krewson is very police friendly. It was a big mistake. So, many organized a march to her home in protest for reading the names. 50,000 people signed a petition for her resignation. (She isn't resigning and she will run for re-election)
The couple are personal injury attorneys, mostly death, severe injury cases. They know exactly what to say after the fact tp say they felt threatened etc...it was a random thing that they happened to have the first house, that protestors cut through on their way elsewhere.
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White privilege is getting to point guns at people walking past your home and facing no legal consequences.
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The first time that dude actually fires that gun, he’s going backwards 30 feet
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White privilege is getting to point guns at people walking past your home and facing no legal consequences.
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Vineyard Vines Mafia
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Maybe they want to run for Congress. It worked for the nutty lady in Colorado.
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But the 12 year old black kid with a toy gun at the park is shot within 6 seconds of police arriving at the park. BUT WHITE PEOPLE GET KILLED BY COPS TOO!
At least Ners leaves no doubt.
you haven't been paying attention wades-there ain't no cops around. and they ain't coming even if you call them.
you hear any of the 9-11 calls, people pleading for help?
here's one-put yourself in this mother's position-helpless??
https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2020/july/frightened-mom-trapped-in-car-by-protesters-told-to-call-city-hall-by-911-operator
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you haven't been paying attention wades-there ain't no cops around. and they ain't coming even if you call them.
you hear any of the 9-11 calls, people pleading for help?
here's one-put yourself in this mother's position-helpless??
https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2020/july/frightened-mom-trapped-in-car-by-protesters-told-to-call-city-hall-by-911-operator
Ahh. Got it. So if the police could’ve made there way there they would’ve fired at the white adults wielding real guns at innocent protesters like they fired at the 12 year old child with a toy gun within 6 seconds of arriving at the scene. I totally believe you rocket. :o
Just like they did to the “patriots” carrying their assault rifles into state capitols and yelling in the face of police officers right?
Honest question for you. When white people post pictures on their social media showing off all their dope guns, why are they considered patriots when someone like Treyvon Martin posts a picture of a gun (not even himself holding it) and he’s a “thug” and it’s used to win the court of public opinion, as if he deserved to be murdered for walking unarmed through his dad’s community by a guy who is told to back down? Why the double standard?
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you haven't been paying attention wades-there ain't no cops around. and they ain't coming even if you call them.
you hear any of the 9-11 calls, people pleading for help?
here's one-put yourself in this mother's position-helpless??
https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2020/july/frightened-mom-trapped-in-car-by-protesters-told-to-call-city-hall-by-911-operator
Hard to believe, but Pat Robertson's news channel didn't exactly tell the full story.
https://www.fredericksburg.com/watch-now-911-call-during-protest-reverberates-in-fredericksburg/article_f3b9488f-e726-56ff-95ea-cb1373c1cc4e.html
And seriously, rocket, you're now getting your news from the 700 Club?
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Hard to believe, but Pat Robertson's news channel didn't exactly tell the full story.
https://www.fredericksburg.com/watch-now-911-call-during-protest-reverberates-in-fredericksburg/article_f3b9488f-e726-56ff-95ea-cb1373c1cc4e.html
And seriously, rocket, you're now getting your news from the 700 Club?
It was a Tucker Carlson/Faux News story. What a surprise.
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Hard to believe, but Pat Robertson's news channel didn't exactly tell the full story.
https://www.fredericksburg.com/watch-now-911-call-during-protest-reverberates-in-fredericksburg/article_f3b9488f-e726-56ff-95ea-cb1373c1cc4e.html
And seriously, rocket, you're now getting your news from the 700 Club?
no, but why is the fredericksburg.com anymore reputable than the 700 club one or tucker carlson story? do they have more "experts" there?
fredericksburg, that sounds kinda like indigenous land taken from some innocent american indians
you guys are always saying that we should widen our news horizons
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no, but why is the fredericksburg.com anymore reputable than the 700 club one or tucker carlson story? do they have more "experts" there?
fredericksburg, that sounds kinda like indigenous land taken from some innocent american indians
you guys are always saying that we should widen our news horizons
Because they told the whole story and didn't leave out parts to fit their narrative. They are banking on their viewers to take them at face value and not look around for the whole story.
And guess what? It apparently works.
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With regards to the St. Louis couple, there has been some discussion as to the specifics of the law, meaning the couple can protect their physical home but not the rest of their property, nor the street, nor the neighborhood. That is being debated under Missouri law.
The property and neighborhood is private and all fees upkeep to the streets etc are paid by the home owners. There are several of these gated streets, seven figure historic homes in the Central West End (CWE) St. Louis City neighborhood. Most of the time there are big closed gates. Some of the streets are not gated.
This couple's home is the first house off of a very busy wide several lane street called Kingshighway. Rick Majerus used to live one block away. It is a very racially diverse, eclectic, upper middle class to wealthy area with a lot going on.....They had a broken small gated door partially open and some protestors (on their way to the Mayor's house) turned off of the large busy street to cut through. The protestors immediately entered private property but again there has been some debate to what the couple and cannot protect. None of the protestors were going up to their home, just passing by on their way elsewhere. The couple is a bit out of place in the sense that this is not a "Trump" friendly type of neighborhood.
The backstory is that the Mayor (Moderate Democrat only in office a few years) out of frustrated spite read the names of people with addresses that had proposed specific police reform, budgets. Krewson is very police friendly. It was a big mistake. So, many organized a march to her home in protest for reading the names. 50,000 people signed a petition for her resignation. (She isn't resigning and she will run for re-election)
The couple are personal injury attorneys, mostly death, severe injury cases. They know exactly what to say after the fact tp say they felt threatened etc...it was a random thing that they happened to have the first house, that protestors cut through on their way elsewhere.
Not surprising that more than a few dozen of their neighbors in Westmoreland Place and Portland Place have signed a letter in support of the protestors, not the couple.
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/i-d-do-it-all-again-says-armed-lawyer-who-confronted-st-louis-protesters/article_e4b5d080-62ec-51e1-85e8-3d8c909730e5.amp.html?__twitter_impression=true
Not the first time they pulled a gun.
https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/columns/tony-messenger/messenger-this-wasn-t-the-first-time-the-mccloskeys-pulled-a-gun-to-protect-property/article_fc2a31b1-5f7b-55d5-83e3-8b3ca1211c7c.amp.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=user-share&__twitter_impression=true
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no, but why is the fredericksburg.com anymore reputable than the 700 club one or tucker carlson story?
Because the fredricksburg site not only got the woman's account, but also that of the police, city hall and the protesters. This creates a full picture of what actually occurred, rather than relying on one person's version of events cribbed from a radio interview.
Isn't "fair and balanced" what you're all about?
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White privilege is getting to point guns at people walking past your home and facing no legal consequences.
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You sure this is a BLM issue and not a couple of Cardinal fans worried that a Cub sympathizer moved into the neighborhood?
Remember folks, this is St. Louis!
(Injecting some levity here)
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Hey, the good news is that this has inspired our federal government to take a long look into this issue and withold funding from jurisdictions who fail to protect the most important victims in this mess. The statues.
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/505616-mccarthy-to-offer-bill-withholding-funds-from-states-that-dont-protect-statues
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Great photo op.. Love the hair color and spare tire. In a fire fight I suggest he lay prone. His wife was even a bigger target. What has this world, America, come too?
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Great photo op.. Love the hair color and spare tire. In a fire fight I suggest he lay prone. His wife was even a bigger target. What has this world, America, come too?
Well at some point we made P.E. less active, recommended carbs and sugar instead of fat. And we all started prioritizing desk jobs then boom we get fata$$es who need guns to protect themselves because we're too fat to use a baseball bat
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Well at some point we made P.E. less active, recommended carbs and sugar instead of fat. And we all started prioritizing desk jobs then boom we get fata$$es who need guns to protect themselves because we're too fat to use a baseball bat
Well said, and lots of pizza, beer and snacks. Thank God I never moved to the Villages.
I saw him interviewed on t.v., he is a lawyer and claims to be a progressive who was misunderstood.
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Well said, and lots of pizza, beer and snacks. Thank God I never moved to the Villages.
I saw him interviewed on t.v., he is a lawyer and claims to be a progressive who was misunderstood.
I know plenty of those type of "Progressives" in Madison.
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I know plenty of those type of "Progressives" in Madison.
This about two lawyers trying to publicly stay on the fence, both sides, as their primary interest is their own self interest, money, clients, .....but they made 20 donations to Trump and Republicans in a recent one year period. (They have also donated a few times to Moderate Democrats)They have a client that is suing police as well. They are clearly not liked by their neighbors and neighborhood with their firearms aggression and lawsuits over the neighborhood. They are not Progressive.
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They violated all four rules of firearm safety. Finger on trigger, waving the muzzle around... Geez people, get some training if you buy a gun!
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This about two lawyers trying to publicly stay on the fence, both sides, as their primary interest is their own self interest, money, clients, .....but they made 20 donations to Trump and Republicans in a recent one year period. (They have also donated a few times to Moderate Democrats)They have a client that is suing police as well. They are clearly not liked by their neighbors and neighborhood with their firearms aggression and lawsuits over the neighborhood. They are not Progressive.
Thank you for the details. 9 pages of comments is a lot to catch up on. Nevertheless, I think I got the picture.
How about a nice Dred Scott statue for their front lawn? Don't we need to express our first amendment rights anong with our private property rights?
Oh, who in their right mind would live in a house like that? Is it on the List of National Historical Sites? Perhaps there is a preservation stipend involved.
Obviously he knows little abour weapons, his has probably never even been lubricated.
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My reaction on reading another Ners' post on race.
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Black on black violence is a problem. All violence is a problem. BLM is about systematic racism by Police against minorities - a similar but different issue. Introducing different issues into this one only serves to let you ignore the racism that exists in your taxpayer funding police force. So congrats on being distracted by the squirrel.
So your response to "Police are racist" is "Well OF COURSE!!! They should be racist!!!"
Good argument.
So what's stopping you? Outside of general laziness.
"BLM is just about systemic racism in police departments." That's why it is imperative to tear down statues, deface buildings, set up autonomous zones, burn people's businesses, loot, all in the spirit to "disrupt the Western prescribed nuclear family" quoted straight from BLM website? What a noble goal tied to the ending of "systemic racism by police against minorities."
What's absolutely laughable about this ignorant movement, which is now championing to defund the police - and as AOC said - it means DEFUND the police, and cities are obliging - crime will rise and more and more black lives (that apparently don't matter) in the inner-cities will die.
America is being manipulated by the far fringes of society - the aggrieved, the outcasts, the confused, the uneducated - and far too many educated people cower along out of fear of being called "racist."
Nobody has said black lives don't matter. There is no way to control the actions of a sliver of true racists, and to then extrapolate that onto entire professions, races, etc. BLM rings hollow to me as a white, when Black perpetrated crime on Whites accounts for 90% of Violent Interracial Incidents. White on Black perpetrated incidents, account for 9.84% per the 2018 Bureau of Justice Database.
So, when you have the isolated incident of an event like Ahmaud Arbery, to act as if that type of tragic event is "normal," it simply isn't true. Meanwhile Whites are 9x as likely to experience a violent crime perpetrated on them by Blacks. Do I think that stat makes all Blacks "racists?" No. Does that and the fact that more whites dies at the hands of police prompt me to start an actual data driven movement that "White Lives Matter?" No. At some point as a White you need to stand your ground and make your arguments based on hard data and statistics - and not cower to some trendy, but ignorant slogan - put forth by the fringes of our society.
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"BLM is just about systemic racism in police departments." That's why it is imperative to tear down statues, deface buildings, set up autonomous zones, burn people's businesses, loot, all in the spirit to "disrupt the Western prescribed nuclear family" quoted straight from BLM website? What a noble goal tied to the ending of "systemic racism by police against minorities."
You fail to comprehend that people who are sympathetic to the goal of ending systemic racism in policing don't necessarily agree with tactics like tearing down statues, et. al.
Where does it say that if you agree to the former, you have to agree with all the tactics and all the policy stances with everyone else who participates in the protests?
That's absurd.
Nobody has said black lives don't matter. There is no way to control the actions of a sliver of true racists, and to then extrapolate that onto entire professions, races, etc. BLM rings hollow to me as a white, when Black perpetrated crime on Whites accounts for 90% of Violent Interracial Incidents. White on Black perpetrated incidents, account for 9.84% per the 2018 Bureau of Justice Database.
Yet again, this isn't relevant. It's a distraction for those who want to be intellectually lazy and have an excuse not to care.
Per usual, you fit that bill nicely.
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"BLM is just about systemic racism in police departments." That's why it is imperative to tear down statues, deface buildings, set up autonomous zones, burn people's businesses, loot, all in the spirit to "disrupt the Western prescribed nuclear family" quoted straight from BLM website? What a noble goal tied to the ending of "systemic racism by police against minorities."
What's absolutely laughable about this ignorant movement, which is now championing to defund the police - and as AOC said - it means DEFUND the police, and cities are obliging - crime will rise and more and more black lives (that apparently don't matter) in the inner-cities will die.
America is being manipulated by the far fringes of society - the aggrieved, the outcasts, the confused, the uneducated - and far too many educated people cower along out of fear of being called "racist."
Nobody has said black lives don't matter. There is no way to control the actions of a sliver of true racists, and to then extrapolate that onto entire professions, races, etc. BLM rings hollow to me as a white, when Black perpetrated crime on Whites accounts for 90% of Violent Interracial Incidents. White on Black perpetrated incidents, account for 9.84% per the 2018 Bureau of Justice Database.
So, when you have the isolated incident of an event like Ahmaud Arbery, to act as if that type of tragic event is "normal," it simply isn't true. Meanwhile Whites are 9x as likely to experience a violent crime perpetrated on them by Blacks. Do I think that stat makes all Blacks "racists?" No. Does that and the fact that more whites dies at the hands of police prompt me to start an actual data driven movement that "White Lives Matter?" No. At some point as a White you need to stand your ground and make your arguments based on hard data and statistics - and not cower to some trendy, but ignorant slogan - put forth by the fringes of our society.
Yeah, your opinions are as well informed as your stock tips.
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"BLM is just about systemic racism in police departments." That's why it is imperative to tear down statues, deface buildings, set up autonomous zones, burn people's businesses, loot, all in the spirit to "disrupt the Western prescribed nuclear family" quoted straight from BLM website? What a noble goal tied to the ending of "systemic racism by police against minorities."
What's absolutely laughable about this ignorant movement, which is now championing to defund the police - and as AOC said - it means DEFUND the police, and cities are obliging - crime will rise and more and more black lives (that apparently don't matter) in the inner-cities will die.
America is being manipulated by the far fringes of society - the aggrieved, the outcasts, the confused, the uneducated - and far too many educated people cower along out of fear of being called "racist."
Nobody has said black lives don't matter. There is no way to control the actions of a sliver of true racists, and to then extrapolate that onto entire professions, races, etc. BLM rings hollow to me as a white, when Black perpetrated crime on Whites accounts for 90% of Violent Interracial Incidents. White on Black perpetrated incidents, account for 9.84% per the 2018 Bureau of Justice Database.
So, when you have the isolated incident of an event like Ahmaud Arbery, to act as if that type of tragic event is "normal," it simply isn't true. Meanwhile Whites are 9x as likely to experience a violent crime perpetrated on them by Blacks. Do I think that stat makes all Blacks "racists?" No. Does that and the fact that more whites dies at the hands of police prompt me to start an actual data driven movement that "White Lives Matter?" No. At some point as a White you need to stand your ground and make your arguments based on hard data and statistics - and not cower to some trendy, but ignorant slogan - put forth by the fringes of our society.
Lol. You want data and statistics...yet you provide data and statistics for things that have nothing to do with the movement. Outstanding!
As a White man, thank you for standing your ground for “us.”
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I kinda think that Ners “tried” to dunk in HS and a black guy swatted it right back in his face.
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The reason BLM "divides" is because the "whities" decide they'd rather it stay that way. Why is it always "us" vs. "them?" If you truly believe that black lives really do matter, then your response to the BLM movement wouldn't be, "YEAH BUT BLACK PEOPLE (do whatever it is that you're faux outraged at that you claim nobody else is paying attention to)!"
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https://twitter.com/TheTrueOne1_/status/1278347088925986818
Love it
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The reason BLM "divides" is because the "whities" decide they'd rather it stay that way. Why is it always "us" vs. "them?" If you truly believe that black lives really do matter, then your response to the BLM movement wouldn't be, "YEAH BUT BLACK PEOPLE (do whatever it is that you're faux outraged at that you claim nobody else is paying attention to)!"
White men are so damn fragile.
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The reason BLM "divides" is because the "whities" decide they'd rather it stay that way. Why is it always "us" vs. "them?" If you truly believe that black lives really do matter, then your response to the BLM movement wouldn't be, "YEAH BUT BLACK PEOPLE (do whatever it is that you're faux outraged at that you claim nobody else is paying attention to)!"
Yeah but, most whites are afraid of blacks.
Most whites don't know any blacks or just one or two at work.
Most whites don't know the black culture including: funeral rituals, church, Islam, cookouts, family reunions, clothes, names, music including Gospel, extended families, historically black colleges, dialect, food preferences, drinking and smoking habits. Not to mention black racism.
That's a lot of differences and I only scratched the surface.
When I invite white friends to join me in visiting Newark I very rarely have any takers.
The least we can do is to stop killing unarmed black men. The least.
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https://twitter.com/TheTrueOne1_/status/1278347088925986818
Love it
Amen.
And as I pointed out in another thread, Al would be proud.
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Amen.
And as I pointed out in another thread, Al would be proud.
Amen, Amen, AAmen, Amen (my effort at the Plagal Cadence)
Al knew where he was coming from. Most Irish don't know their history, most blacks know their history.
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Amen, Amen, AAmen, Amen (my effort at the Plagal Cadence)
Al knew where he was coming from. Most Irish Americans don't know their history, most blacks know their history in america.
Just a few minor corrections. I went to HS at school 30% black and very few of those were from Africa but I do remember there being huge arguments in history class because the amount of times African American students would trivialize the students from Africa's history (genocides, apartheid, disease, etc)
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America is being manipulated by the far fringes of society - the aggrieved, the outcasts, the confused, the uneducated
You're not wrong
(https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/trump-family-members-eric-trump-donald-trump-jr-donald-trump-and-picture-id452562470)
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Yeah, your opinions are as well informed as your stock tips.
And once again you fail. You'd be up roughly 350% if you took my advice March 19 from the below post.
Think Ellenson Family Reunion gives some good advice above. This dip is a great thing for you being 30 years out. If you are a buy and hold guy, ideas I'd present would be: AMRN, ETSY, ULTA, RVLV, SQ, BA, SHOP, CTAS.
Higher volatility biotechs I like (a sector invest 50% of my portfolio): AXSM, FLGT, GNPX, NVTA, SAVA, AQST, IGMS.
Bloom Energy (BE) is also an interesting company with a bright future IMO.
Invest at your own risk above. Just sharing some ideas.
Date of post price Current
AMRN: 10.11 6.88
ETSY 34.00 110.00
ULTA 128 203
RVLV 7.50 15.47
SQ 33 113.39
BA 98 180.00
SHOP 307 1,029.00
CTAS 166 270
AXSM 41 80.97
FLGT 7.88 16.21
GNPX 2.28 3.03
NVTA 9.00 31.72
SAVA 3.50 2.92
AQST 1.59 4.71
IGMS 34 72.39
BE 3.30 10.35
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Just a few minor corrections. I went to HS at school 30% black and very few of those were from Africa but I do remember there being huge arguments in history class because the amount of times African American students would trivialize the students from Africa's history (genocides, apartheid, disease, etc)
I'm Irish American, I carry an E.U./Irish and an American/USA passport.
I know my Irish and my Irish American history.
I must admit that although I grew up in an Irish ghetto, I knew very of my heritage when I was growing up. After the war everyone was trying to be American, thru and thru.
In general I would say that most educated Blacks and Jews know much more of their history than the Irish, Polish, or Italians.
I don't see the point of this point, but it may mean something to you.
I wonder if they teach the history of Wisconsin in Wisconsin schools? The Milwaukee Sewer Socialists, the native americans, the immigrations, the Union patriots, the industrial base, etc.. Probably not, it is all about the Packers, ha.
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And once again you fail. You'd be up roughly 350% if you took my advice March 19 from the below post.
Date of post price Current
AMRN: 10.11 6.88
ETSY 34.00 110.00
ULTA 128 203
RVLV 7.50 15.47
SQ 33 113.39
BA 98 180.00
SHOP 307 1,029.00
CTAS 166 270
AXSM 41 80.97
FLGT 7.88 16.21
GNPX 2.28 3.03
NVTA 9.00 31.72
SAVA 3.50 2.92
AQST 1.59 4.71
IGMS 34 72.39
BE 3.30 10.35
You're so easily triggered when I want to push your buttons.
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Amen.
And as I pointed out in another thread, Al would be proud.
What's the Venn diagram of folks who fond for a coach like Al vs folks who fight/argue against BLM?
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White men are so damn fragile.
Some are, for sure. Those of you so easily manipulated by a radical, fringe "organization" like BLM.
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Just a few minor corrections. I went to HS at school 30% black and very few of those were from Africa but I do remember there being huge arguments in history class because the amount of times African American students would trivialize the students from Africa's history (genocides, apartheid, disease, etc)
Yes, sometimes history is hard to look at. For example, I had no idea how much London/England suffered during WWII.
My views of Winston Churchill, have recently changed immensely.
In Italy I mix with a lot of Africans and they are very different from what I expected. My provincial views are sometimes embarrassing.
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Thank you for the details. 9 pages of comments is a lot to catch up on. Nevertheless, I think I got the picture.
How about a nice Dred Scott statue for their front lawn? Don't we need to express our first amendment rights anong with our private property rights?
Oh, who in their right mind would live in a house like that? Is it on the List of National Historical Sites? Perhaps there is a preservation stipend involved.
Obviously he knows little abour weapons, his has probably never even been lubricated.
a lot of houses in that area of STL were bought on the cheap many years ago because the city was in such ruins. Just a few blocks north of there is Delmar Ave., the divide where it become really rough and considered one of the most dangerous blocks in the country. Thus the games. That house is worth $1.1 million. In my current neighborhood a 3 bed 3 bath 2500 square foot home is worth $1.1 million.
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You're so easily triggered when I want to push your buttons.
Nice try. You made a dumb comment - per usual - and try to CYA with a lame post. Keep in mind, my kind aren't "triggered." Won't find me at protests, marching in the streets, crying on election nights, #resisting.
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Nice try. You made a dumb comment - per usual - and try to CYA with a lame post. Keep in mind, my kind aren't "triggered." Won't find me at protests, marching in the streets, crying on election nights, #resisting.
no, you just claim persecution, claim taking down confederate statues and names from military bases is "erasing" your heritage, and scream "I want my country back."
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Nice try. You made a dumb comment - per usual - and try to CYA with a lame post. Keep in mind, my kind aren't "triggered." Won't find me at protests, marching in the streets, crying on election nights, #resisting.
Even easier that time.
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And once again you fail. You'd be up roughly 350% if you took my advice March 19 from the below post.
Date of post price Current
AMRN: 10.11 6.88
ETSY 34.00 110.00
ULTA 128 203
RVLV 7.50 15.47
SQ 33 113.39
BA 98 180.00
SHOP 307 1,029.00
CTAS 166 270
AXSM 41 80.97
FLGT 7.88 16.21
GNPX 2.28 3.03
NVTA 9.00 31.72
SAVA 3.50 2.92
AQST 1.59 4.71
IGMS 34 72.39
BE 3.30 10.35
I have a saying, "if it's too good to be true, it's too good to be true". Talk to me in six months, and "good luck". That's what they said to you at the Trump casino when they gave you your chips.
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no, you just claim persecution, claim taking down confederate statues and names from military bases is "erasing" your heritage, and scream "I want my country back."
When Corporate America went multinational, when globalization took over, America changed forever. There is no going back. It is what it is. Boeing has a lot of capacity to fill with orders from all over the world. GE still has jet engines to sell, Kohler and CAT have opportunities to exploit.
I could go on a rant about the ethnicity of the West Point graduates, but I'll spare you. Get with the program, study up on the World Trade Organization, the World Bank, etc., etc..
Taking down statues is an irrelevant side show. Should have been done years ago. Can't let so much pent-up anger explode all at once.
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I have a saying, "if it's too good to be true, it's too good to be true". Talk to me in six months, and "good luck". That's what they said to you at the Trump casino when they gave you your chips.
I don't disagree with you. The performance of these 16 I picked exceeded my wildest expectations, and certainly isn't sustainable at this rate of appreciation. However, the long play companies I listed have sound business models, management, moats, and should prevail long term.
The biotechs listed I feel have similar attributes, but are just much earlier stage, risky, and volatile.
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Nice try. You made a dumb comment - per usual - and try to CYA with a lame post. Keep in mind, my kind aren't "triggered." Won't find me at protests, marching in the streets, crying on election nights, #resisting.
True, true.
You only take stances anonymously on the internet, not like those whiny real-life protesters getting beaten and tear-gassed by cops.
#onhis8thscreenname
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What's the Venn diagram of folks who fond for a coach like Al vs folks who fight/argue against BLM?
Ironically, I think Al McGuire would be all for having BLM on the uniforms.
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Some are, for sure. Those of you so easily manipulated by a radical, fringe "organization" like BLM.
I don't think you know what fragile means, because you've been fragile before fragile was a thing.
But anyway, keep refusing to learn. You do it well.
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Even easier that time.
You continue to embarrass yourself trying to walk away from your dumb comment. You 100% disagree with my viewpoints on BLM, and got owned while trying to make the snarky comment: "Your opinions are as well informed as your stock tips."
Or, I guess you believe my opinions on BLM are massively correct, informed, and the right call just like my stock recs that have returned roughly 300% since March 19?
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I'm Irish American, I carry an E.U./Irish and an American/USA passport.
I know my Irish and my Irish American history.
I must admit that although I grew up in an Irish ghetto, I knew very of my heritage when I was growing up. After the war everyone was trying to be American, thru and thru.
In general I would say that most educated Blacks and Jews know much more of their history than the Irish, Polish, or Italians.
I don't see the point of this point, but it may mean something to you.
I wonder if they teach the history of Wisconsin in Wisconsin schools? The Milwaukee Sewer Socialists, the native americans, the immigrations, the Union patriots, the industrial base, etc.. Probably not, it is all about the Packers, ha.
I hold one as well we've talked about that before on here, mom emigrated from Mayo. People like you (I'd assume are first or second gen) or I are not the Irish Americans I was referring to who don't know squat.
As for the second part the reason I included it is you said blacks. And I think it's often in America we think of all black people as being African Americans but there's Caribbean culture, African American, all the African cultures, it's akin to expecting any white person to know Slavic Or Scandinavian culture because they're white. Just trying to draw the distinction between black and African American.
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True, true.
You only take stances anonymously on the internet, not like those whiny real-life protesters getting beaten and tear-gassed by cops.
#onhis8thscreenname
Here's a wise idea: Let me go run out in the streets, in a pack of anarchists, who set buildings on fire, loot, throw objects at me as a cop, taunt me, shout in my face (not social distancing) AND not expect to incur a potential negative consequence.
#brilliant. About as logical as the BLM "movement."
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Alright my favorite debate friends here - I'm out! Happy 4th of July Weekend. Be sure to NOT celebrate America, but instead continue to reflect on how awful our country is and how racist our Founding Fathers were.
Meanwhile lobby and protest for open borders, sanctuary cities, those in DACA - now all of whom are subject to the oppression and racist society our Founding Fathers invented.
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You continue to embarrass yourself trying to walk away from your dumb comment. You 100% disagree with my viewpoints on BLM, and got owned while trying to make the snarky comment: "Your opinions are as well informed as your stock tips."
Or, I guess you believe my opinions on BLM are massively correct, informed, and the right call just like my stock recs that have returned roughly 300% since March 19?
I do?
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Alright my favorite debate friends here - I'm out! Happy 4th of July Weekend. Be sure to NOT celebrate America, but instead continue to reflect on how awful our country is and how racist our Founding Fathers were.
Meanwhile lobby and protest for open borders, sanctuary cities, those in DACA - now all of whom are subject to the oppression and racist society our Founding Fathers invented.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYPIOaqNlyg
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Alright my favorite debate friends here - I'm out! Happy 4th of July Weekend. Be sure to NOT celebrate America, but instead continue to reflect on how awful our country is and how racist our Founding Fathers were.
Meanwhile lobby and protest for open borders, sanctuary cities, those in DACA - now all of whom are subject to the oppression and racist society our Founding Fathers invented.
Disappointing effort.
At the very least you could said "Love it or leave it" or sung a few bars of Lee Greenwood.
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Nice try. You made a dumb comment - per usual - and try to CYA with a lame post. Keep in mind, my kind aren't "triggered." Won't find me at protests, marching in the streets, crying on election nights, #resisting.
“Your kind” aren’t triggered? You seem pretty freaking triggered to me.
https://mobile.twitter.com/mu_iceman
About as triggered as I’ve ever seen someone on Twitter. And THAT is saying something. Triggered AF!
Here's a wise idea: Let me go run out in the streets, in a pack of anarchists, who set buildings on fire, loot, throw objects at me as a cop, taunt me, shout in my face (not social distancing) AND not expect to incur a potential negative consequence.
#brilliant. About as logical as the BLM "movement."
Kind of like “whities” who walked into the Michigan statehouse with assault rifles and screamed in the faces of cops and were all murdered for it right? Oh wait. They weren’t even cited. Weird!
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-52496514
I don't disagree with you. The performance of these 16 I picked exceeded my wildest expectations, and certainly isn't sustainable at this rate of appreciation. However, the long play companies I listed have sound business models, management, moats, and should prevail long term.
The biotechs listed I feel have similar attributes, but are just much earlier stage, risky, and volatile.
Congrats on the great success playing the stocks! Maybe you’ll be able to move out of your apartment that smells like piss and weed because all your black neighbors don’t give a damn because they were raised with no fathers and all murder each other!
Alright my favorite debate friends here - I'm out! Happy 4th of July Weekend. Be sure to NOT celebrate America, but instead continue to reflect on how awful our country is and how racist our Founding Fathers were.
Meanwhile lobby and protest for open borders, sanctuary cities, those in DACA - now all of whom are subject to the oppression and racist society our Founding Fathers invented.
Thank god. You’re the most racist, ignorant POS to ever come on this site. You act like you’re “hard” but you’re the biggest snowflake anybody’s ever seen.
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I hold one as well we've talked about that before on here, mom emigrated from Mayo. People like you (I'd assume are first or second gen) or I are not the Irish Americans I was referring to who don't know squat.
As for the second part the reason I included it is you said blacks. And I think it's often in America we think of all black people as being African Americans but there's Caribbean culture, African American, all the African cultures, it's akin to expecting any white person to know Slavic Or Scandinavian culture because they're white. Just trying to draw the distinction between black and African American.
I had two grandparents from Cavan, my fathers side came over in the 1840's. A farm in Ohio, California for the gold rush, a shortline railroad, back to dairy farming, then nyc construction, rags
to riches to rags, the American way.
I fought the hyphenated American thing for years. Now I just go with the flow, it is really one world.
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Alright my favorite debate friends here - I'm out! Happy 4th of July Weekend. Be sure to NOT celebrate America, but instead continue to reflect on how awful our country is and how racist our Founding Fathers were.
Meanwhile lobby and protest for open borders, sanctuary cities, those in DACA - now all of whom are subject to the oppression and racist society our Founding Fathers invented.
Thanks, I will!
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Now it's time for the second shift.
I've been watching Hannity, very unhinged rants and all very predictable.
Seems like he is playing catch up. He is still running against Hillary, Benghazi, Foster, Ukraine and on law and order.
Hasn't he heard about the pandemic, demonstrations in the streets, the collapse of the economy?
He worries about a few statues, and a few burned out shoe stores. Sad seeing someone behind the curve and in panic mode. Very sad seeing an entertainer when his schtick is old and doesn't pack them in anymore. He is like Glen Beck, old news. Defending the indefensible.
Have a safe 4th, God Bless America.