I hope this doesn't happen but if we lose out, finishing 18-13 overall and 8-11 in the BE do you think we make the NCAAs?
I know we're 26 or something in the NET but how much weight will that carry?
Yes, but it would be nice if the team just comes out and plays a good game tomorrow morning to put any of this talk to bed.
ENOUGH ! ! ! ! My God ! ! ! Its been disussed ad nauseam ! ! ! MU will be in the NCAA Go Warriors ! ! ! 8-)
The board bracketologists say we're a stone cold lock not up for discussion, and I defer to them. I still think it's a fair question. Losing 7 of our last 8 with some bad losses in there?
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 06, 2020, 06:17:31 PM
The board bracketologists say we're a stone cold lock not up for discussion, and I defer to them. I still think it's a fair question. Losing 7 of our last 8 with some bad losses in there?
Only one of the losses would be outside of Q1. Some bad losses in reality but not on paper.
Quote from: BM1090 on March 06, 2020, 06:19:09 PM
Only one of the losses would be outside of Q1. Some bad losses in reality but not on paper.
Fair point. Is there still a chance we'd face Depaul in first round of BET? Another loss to them might spell trouble for a bid?
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 06, 2020, 06:20:31 PM
Fair point. Is there still a chance we'd face Depaul in first round of BET? Another loss to them might spell trouble for a bid?
Yes there is and I still don't think it would. I'd be nervous due to our huge collapse but on paper our resume just can't get bad enough to miss.
Did we need another thread on this?
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=60156.0
Quote from: BM1090 on March 06, 2020, 06:27:14 PM
Yes there is and I still don't think it would. I'd be nervous due to our huge collapse but on paper our resume just can't get bad enough to miss.
Thanks for the info.
Thanks everyone. I appreciate the constructive posts.
I knew we had another thread on this but it pre-dated the possibility of us going winless to close out the season. Just wanted to see if opinions had changed with the circumstances.
I philosophically oppose in conference sub .500 teams getting at-large bids. Your conference consists of your peers.
At this point, these repetitive posts are either the result of illiteracy or stupidity. Either way, post reported.
Quote from: Badgerhater on March 06, 2020, 07:42:49 PM
I philosophically oppose in conference sub .500 teams getting at-large bids. Your conference consists of your peers.
This makes no sense, unless you desire the tournament to invite lesser teams by design. You're saying that you would like the committee to say, "clearly Team A has performed better, but we are taking Team B"
Weird
Arby's
Nothing like backing a garbage truck into the big dance. Beep....Beep......Beep!
Got me thinking...isn't our season kind of going like Trae Young's Oklahoma team? I seem to remember that team just couldn't buy a win at the end of the year and they still made the tournament.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 06, 2020, 07:49:41 PM
At this point, these repetitive posts are either the result of illiteracy or stupidity. Either way, post reported.
Or the result of an honest question. Something you might have realized if you actually read any of the thread.
Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on March 06, 2020, 08:50:20 PM
Or the result of an honest question. Something you might have realized if you actually read any of the thread.
Nope. Not an honest question. No one paying attention to this site or college basketball can ask this with a straight face. It's trolling, period.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 06, 2020, 09:07:18 PM
Nope. Not an honest question. No one paying attention to this site or college basketball can ask this with a straight face. It's trolling, period.
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That explains it. If you think I'm a troll, you're clueless. I have over 35 years of involvement with MU basketball but if it makes u feel better for being called out, you can think I'm a troll.
Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on March 06, 2020, 09:10:12 PM
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That explains it. If you think I'm a troll, you're clueless. I have over 35 years of involvement with MU basketball but if it makes u feel better for being called out, you can think I'm a troll.
Asking this question is trolling. I could give a rat's ass what your history with the program is. Supporters can troll too.
If you're sick of watching this team, I get it. If you think the lackluster effort is disappointing, I get it. If you're just ready for the season to be over, I get it. If you want Wojo fired, I get it.
But if you think for one millisecond this team might miss the NCAA tournament, you are either stupid, ignorant, or trolling. I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 06, 2020, 09:12:02 PM
Goose, why you so mad tonight?
Guess his feelings are hurt because be called me soft in the COVID-19 thread and I deleted his posts. But hopefully the Arby's helps him - as it has many here.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 06, 2020, 09:46:18 PM
Guess his feelings are hurt because be called me soft in the COVID-19 thread and I deleted his posts. But hopefully the Arby's helps him - as it has many here.
Rocky, that was lame.
This isn't your best effort tonight.
Quote from: real chili 83 on March 06, 2020, 09:54:15 PM
Rocky, that was lame.
This isn't your best effort tonight.
I don't reserve my best efforts for you fools.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 06, 2020, 09:55:41 PM
I don't reserve my best efforts for you fools.
Fools.
Not your best effort. Why is this under your skin?
Quote from: real chili 83 on March 06, 2020, 09:59:25 PM
Fools.
Not your best effort. Why is this under your skin?
You folks don't know me well. I'm a fool too. Anybody that wastes time here is a GD fool. I just have a big-ol delete button on my page. Don't messy up the COVID-19 thread. Perhaps I'm not the one with thin skin.
Wth is up with rocky. also "a humanlung" is a goofy user name. Why not a human tibial? A human frontal cortex? Cringey and kinda sick
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 06, 2020, 10:03:53 PM
You folks don't know me well. I'm a fool too. Anybody that wastes time here is a GD fool. I just have a big-ol delete button on my page. Don't messy up the COVID-19 thread. Perhaps I'm not the one with thin skin.
Rocky,
My opinion, you let subtle, but really, really obvious political comments/jabs go, as long as they are jabs at trump.
My honest feedback is that your moderating in this thread is biased.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 06, 2020, 09:15:53 PM
If you're sick of watching this team, I get it. If you think the lackluster effort is disappointing, I get it. If you're just ready for the season to be over, I get it. If you want Wojo fired, I get it.
I check all these boxes. It's got to be my least favorite MU team in my lifetime. Players and coaches both.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 06, 2020, 10:14:30 PM
I check all these boxes. It's got to be my least favorite MU team in my lifetime. Players and coaches both.
You must be like 4 years old then
Then don't watch them... Then you won't have to make stupid comments either ! ! ! 8-)
Quote from: real chili 83 on March 06, 2020, 10:08:40 PM
My opinion, you let subtle, but really, really obvious political comments/jabs go, as long as they are jabs at trump.
My honest feedback is that your moderating in this thread is biased.
If you want to start a second COVID-19 thread where what you believe to be real facts are presented, have at it!
Smh
Quote from: Johnny B on March 06, 2020, 10:16:41 PM
You must be like 4 years old then
I'm more than twice your age
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 06, 2020, 09:15:53 PM
If you're sick of watching this team, I get it. If you think the lackluster effort is disappointing, I get it. If you're just ready for the season to be over, I get it. If you want Wojo fired, I get it.
But if you think for one millisecond this team might miss the NCAA tournament, you are either stupid, ignorant, or trolling. I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.
Take a breath. Relax. Not everyone reads all the threads. I think this thread was started as an honest question. It does feel like we're sliding hard, and if you haven't read up on the NET rankings and potential scenarios, it does feel like a real possibility that a team losing 7 of 8 might get snubbed. Luckily for us, our first 3/4 of the season were strong enough that an ugly end to the season won't be enough to tank our changes of making the tournament.
Reporting this is unnecessary. Calling the poster stupid, ignorant, or dumb is unneeded. There are plenty of posts that fit that criteria, but this doesn't seem to be one of them.
Quote from: real chili 83 on March 06, 2020, 09:54:15 PM
Rocky, that was lame.
This isn't your best effort tonight.
Disagree. Rocky taking care of the trash over there. Well done.
Now just throw another 2 or 3 posters into the cheeks dumpster, it's like watching my dad post Facebook memes on here with you people.
Quote from: Retire0 on March 07, 2020, 06:09:45 AM
Disagree. Rocky taking care of the trash over there. Well done.
Now just throw another 2 or 3 posters into the cheeks dumpster, it's like watching my dad post Facebook memes on here with you people.
He's inconsistent. That's all.
Quote from: real chili 83 on March 07, 2020, 06:30:04 AM
He's inconsistent. That's all.
I don't disagree entirely, but not in that situation.
If Marquette loses out, they do not make the tournament. A losing conference record and a long slide to end the season equals a team that does not pass the "eye test."
The NET rankings are one metric, not everything.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 07, 2020, 07:03:48 AM
Aren't we all?
I don't disagree with all of his moderating. Jamie was going off the rails (again), he needed to go (as an example). My opinion, there was some blatantly political comments last night, and he was inconsistent. Jockey and a few others made very political comments. They were called out on it, with no action by Rocky.
rocky seems to have a liberal leaning, which is fine. He appears to moderate (at least last night) with that lens. It's "his" board, so he can do what he wants. He's just not consistent.
Edit: he did reign in 82's political commentary previously. Credit due for that.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 06, 2020, 07:49:41 PM
At this point, these repetitive posts are either the result of illiteracy or stupidity. Either way, post reported.
brew taking on the added responsibility of the hall monitor(and writing about it ;)) on top of all his other duties must rank right up there with saving that damsel in distress eyn'er?
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 06, 2020, 07:49:41 PM
At this point, these repetitive posts are either the result of illiteracy or stupidity. Either way, post reported.
Really, you get to call people out as stupid or illiterate?
Quote from: real chili 83 on March 07, 2020, 07:14:20 AM
They were called out on it, with no action by Rocky.
There were also multiple personal attacks last night (well and everywhere) but the ones over there were deleted. Probably better for everyone
If there is one thing I'm tired of it's that.
Quote from: warriorfred on March 07, 2020, 07:12:09 AM
If Marquette loses out, they do not make the tournament. A losing conference record and a long slide to end the season equals a team that does not pass the "eye test."
The NET rankings are one metric, not everything.
Completely agree. These are people comprised of a committee making up this field at the end of the day. And they would know full well to take a team losing 7 of its final 8, including 3 to bottom feeders of their league, not to mention 8-11 overall conference record, they would have a lot to answer for after field is announced. They would be roasted for doing it.
I know it isn't pleasant to think about, but the possibility cannot be discounted entirely.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 07, 2020, 07:24:32 AM
Completely agree. These are people comprised of a committee making up this field at the end of the day. And they would know full well to take a team losing 7 of its final 8, including 3 to bottom feeders of their league, they would have a lot to answer for after field is announced. They would be roasted for doing it.
I know it isn't pleasant to think about, but the possibility cannot be discounted entirely.
Agree, the metrics say we are in, but if this run continues, who knows.
Let's just win today.
Quote from: skianth16 on March 06, 2020, 11:03:46 PM
Take a breath. Relax. Not everyone reads all the threads. I think this thread was started as an honest question. It does feel like we're sliding hard, and if you haven't read up on the NET rankings and potential scenarios, it does feel like a real possibility that a team losing 7 of 8 might get snubbed. Luckily for us, our first 3/4 of the season were strong enough that an ugly end to the season won't be enough to tank our changes of making the tournament.
Reporting this is unnecessary. Calling the poster stupid, ignorant, or dumb is unneeded. There are plenty of posts that fit that criteria, but this doesn't seem to be one of them.
thank you for the level headed'ness here skianth. this is not the place to bring ones ocd sans meds and expect to get better. gotta learn how to maintain man. so what if something was discussed before-not everyone reads every damn one of these threads, are away for a while...whatever. oh...and it might be in the hangin at the Al...well peace out man, ride the bus, go hug your kids, and take a break, a day or so from scoop and clear the head, help an old lady cross the street...hell, help a young lady cross the street and into your place, find another hobby, stamp collecting is coming back
Quote from: skianth16 on March 06, 2020, 11:03:46 PM
Take a breath. Relax. Not everyone reads all the threads. I think this thread was started as an honest question. It does feel like we're sliding hard, and if you haven't read up on the NET rankings and potential scenarios, it does feel like a real possibility that a team losing 7 of 8 might get snubbed. Luckily for us, our first 3/4 of the season were strong enough that an ugly end to the season won't be enough to tank our changes of making the tournament.
Reporting this is unnecessary. Calling the poster stupid, ignorant, or dumb is unneeded. There are plenty of posts that fit that criteria, but this doesn't seem to be one of them.
Thank you. I appreciate it. I was just asking a question, I did not intend to set people off with this thread.
Quote from: warriorfred on March 07, 2020, 07:12:09 AM
If Marquette loses out, they do not make the tournament. A losing conference record and a long slide to end the season equals a team that does not pass the "eye test."
The NET rankings are one metric, not everything.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Doesn't each committee use arbitrary and sometimes random criteria when evaluating teams? It seems some committees place a high emphasis on SOS, or last 10 games, or "beating really good teams", or road wins, etc. I'd agree with others that say we are a stone cold lock, but we don't know what this committee's points of emphasis will be exactly. Last year it seemed like it was Q1 wins or the gtfo.
Quote from: warriorfred on March 07, 2020, 07:12:09 AM
If Marquette loses out, they do not make the tournament. A losing conference record and a long slide to end the season equals a team that does not pass the "eye test."
The NET rankings are one metric, not everything.
I genuinely challenge you to spend some time this morning and analyze at large resumes and list the 36 at large resumes better than Marquette. Don't forget to remove the 32 auto bids. Once you actually dig into the information, your opinion will change.
Until you do that, stop posting that Marquette isn't going to make the tournament.
Funny how so many wooers of the Wojo wonders dictate and dismiss any doubt about making the dance if we lose out. Could it be cases of not objectively evaluating that performance? Having blue and gold blinders thoroughly covering their eyes? Losing the next 2 would put us at 18-13 for the year and what, 8-10 in BEast losing 7 of last 8. Not worthy and no question about it. Wojo woofers desperately needing a win and ticket to dance to justify that Wojo needs to be retained for 10 more years to prove himself., that he is at best definition of mediocrity. Maybe that is why they cling to the dismissive mantra "stone cold lock"
Quote from: willie warrior on March 07, 2020, 09:43:22 AM
Funny how so many wooers of the Wojo wonders dictate and dismiss any doubt about making the dance if we lose out. Could it be cases of not objectively evaluating that performance? Having blue and gold blinders thoroughly covering their eyes? Losing the next 2 would put us at 18-13 for the year and what, 8-10 in BEast losing 7 of last 8. Not worthy and no question about it. Wojo woofers desperately needing a win and ticket to dance to justify that Wojo needs to be retained for 10 more years to prove himself., that he is at best definition of mediocrity. Maybe that is why they cling to the dismissive mantra "stone cold lock"
List 36 better at large resumes. Remove the auto bids. Please. I'd love to see you try.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 07, 2020, 09:43:22 AM
Funny how so many wooers of the Wojo wonders dictate and dismiss any doubt about making the dance if we lose out. Could it be cases of not objectively evaluating that performance? Having blue and gold blinders thoroughly covering their eyes? Losing the next 2 would put us at 18-13 for the year and what, 8-10 in BEast losing 7 of last 8. Not worthy and no question about it. Wojo woofers desperately needing a win and ticket to dance to justify that Wojo needs to be retained for 10 more years to prove himself., that he is at best definition of mediocrity. Maybe that is why they cling to the dismissive mantra "stone cold lock"
Nailed it on everything.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 07, 2020, 09:43:22 AM
Funny how so many wooers of the Wojo wonders dictate and dismiss any doubt about making the dance if we lose out. Could it be cases of not objectively evaluating that performance? Having blue and gold blinders thoroughly covering their eyes? Losing the next 2 would put us at 18-13 for the year and what, 8-10 in BEast losing 7 of last 8. Not worthy and no question about it. Wojo woofers desperately needing a win and ticket to dance to justify that Wojo needs to be retained for 10 more years to prove himself., that he is at best definition of mediocrity. Maybe that is why they cling to the dismissive mantra "stone cold lock"
Agree with you Willie. However, we will still get in because of Markus AND by virtue of Big East having the best perfect league composition via no elite teams, but no terrible teams. A cluster of teams 15-65. So. Tons of opportunities to get "quality wins," and rack up a strong strength of schedule which the computer models love.
Well. No.
There are many who are "out" or leaning out on Wojo. They still believe Marquette is a lock based on the overall resume compared to the field.
Nothing to do with subjective/blinders/etc
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 07, 2020, 09:55:15 AM
Agree with you Willie. However, we will still get in because of Markus AND by virtue of Big East having the best perfect league composition via no elite teams, but no terrible teams. A cluster of teams 15-65. So. Tons of opportunities to get "quality wins," and rack up a strong strength of schedule which the computer models love.
Seton Hall is definitely an elite team, and Nova and Creighton aren't far behind. All three of those teams could easily make the final 4 this season.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 07, 2020, 09:58:27 AM
Well. No.
There are many who are "out" or leaning out on Wojo. They still believe Marquette is a lock based on the overall resume compared to the field.
Nothing to do with subjective/blinders/etc
This. At this point, I can't defend Wojo. But that has nothing to do with Marquette's at large resume that is at worst a 10 seed with a loss today and first round exit in the BET.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 07, 2020, 09:59:46 AM
Seton Hall is definitely an elite team, and Nova and Creighton aren't far behind. All three of those teams could easily make the final 4 this season.
Not sure I'd call Hall or Creighton elite...but they are two best teams in league for sure and very good. Think Nova isn't as good as their KenPom ranking suggests.
If given a hypothetical bet of: Will a Big East team make Final Four, I'd side with "No."
Quote from: warriorfred on March 07, 2020, 07:12:09 AM
If Marquette loses out, they do not make the tournament. A losing conference record and a long slide to end the season equals a team that does not pass the "eye test."
The NET rankings are one metric, not everything.
And the eye test is 0 metrics, so nothing.
You're wrong.
Really strange, but it seems like some people think the committee looks at a team and decides whether they should be in or out based on what they did, and that's the entirety of the process. That's not the case.
There will be 68 teams in the tourney. They have to fill it.
They look good today and that 18-13 record at the end of the season and 8-11 record in league play should really impress the committee. They would be the WORST at-large team ever selected and it's really not close.
Quote from: Cfollow on March 07, 2020, 11:46:47 AM
They look good today and that 18-13 record at the end of the season and 8-11 record in league play should really impress the committee. They would be the WORST at-large team ever selected and it's really not close.
This is incorrect
Quote from: manesworld on March 07, 2020, 10:53:55 AM
And the eye test is 0 metrics, so nothing.
You're wrong.
The games are played on the floor not in KenPom simulations.
As has been mentioned. KenPom skews all B10 and Big East teams this year, regardless of how good or bad they are. If Xavier or Minnesota or Marquette can even muster a record close to .500 in Big East play, KenPom will call them a "good" team. That doesn't actually mean these teams are good. Are you watching the game today?
Alright, I just completed the exercise and "filled the bracket." (under the assumption we lose to Depaul Wednesday night)
Here is what I came up with in 10 minutes. Conference Tournament champions I usually took the best team but threw a few bid stealers in there to get more of a "worst case" scenario for MU.
Blast me if you want but what teams are unequivocally behind MU in the at-large list? I didn't purposefully leave MU out, but honestly I am starting to see a scenario we get left out.
Conference Tournament Champions:
1. Vermont (America East)
2. Tulsa (American Athletic)
3. Dayton (A10)
4. Florida State (ACC)
5. North Florida (Atlantic Sun)
6. Kansas (Big 12)
7. Seton Hall (Big East)
8. Eastern Washington (Big Sky)
9. Winthrop (Big South)
10. Wisconsin (Big Ten)
11. UC Irvine (Big West)
12. Hofstra (Colonial)
13. North Texas (CUSA)
14. Wright State (Horizon)
15. Yale (Ivy)
16. Siena (Metro)
17. Akron (Mid-American)
18. North Carolina Central (Mid-Eastern)
19. Bradley (Missouri Valley)
20. SDSU (Mountain West)
21. Merrimack (Northeast)
22. Belmont (Ohio Valley)
23. Oregon (Pac12)
24. Colgate (Patriot)
25. Kentucky (SEC)
26. UNC Greensboro (Southern)
27. Nicholls (Southland)
28. Prairie View (Southwestern)
29. NDSU (Summit)
30. Little Rock (Sun Belt)
31. Gonzaga (West Coast)
32. California Baptist (Western Athletic)
At Large Bids (No Order):
1. Louisville
2. Duke
3. Virginia
4. Baylor
5. Houston
6. Villanova
7. Creighton
8. Providence
9. Maryland
10. Michigan State
11. Ohio State
12. Butler
13. Iowa
14. Michigan
15. Rutgers
16. Utah State
17. UCLA
18. Illinois
19. Penn State
20. West Virginia
21. Arizona
22. Auburn
23. Texas
24. LSU
25. BYU
26. Colorado
27. Texas Tech
28. Oklahoma
29. Arizona State
30. Florida
31. USC
32. St Marys
34. Richmond
35. Xavier
36. Northern Iowa
NIT:
Wichita State
Memphis
Rhode Island
St Louis
Liberty
Marquette
Purdue
Indiana
Cincy
Murray State
Stanford
Mississippi State
South Carolina
ETSU
Furman
SFA
New Mexico State
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 07, 2020, 09:20:15 AM
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Sadly, we may find out in week. I sincerely hope I am a "Bracketology" idiot.
yea, I don't get the whole stone cold lock thing.
Then again, I am not sure many thought we would lose to both of these teams. As bad as Wojo is, and with what happened last year, it still is quite remarkable to end the year this bad again considering we played the 2 worst teams without their best players
Quote from: warriorfred on March 07, 2020, 02:21:13 PM
Sadly, we may find out in week. I sincerely hope I am a "Bracketology" idiot.
You are.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 07, 2020, 02:17:50 PM
Alright, I just completed the exercise and "filled the bracket." (under the assumption we lose to Depaul Wednesday night)
Here is what I came up with in 10 minutes. Conference Tournament champions I usually took the best team but threw a few bid stealers in there to get more of a "worst case" scenario for MU.
Blast me if you want but what teams are unequivocally behind MU in the at-large list? I didn't purposefully leave MU out, but honestly I am starting to see a scenario we get left out.
Conference Tournament Champions:
1. Vermont (America East)
2. Tulsa (American Athletic)
3. Dayton (A10)
4. Florida State (ACC)
5. North Florida (Atlantic Sun)
6. Kansas (Big 12)
7. Seton Hall (Big East)
8. Eastern Washington (Big Sky)
9. Winthrop (Big South)
10. Wisconsin (Big Ten)
11. UC Irvine (Big West)
12. Hofstra (Colonial)
13. North Texas (CUSA)
14. Wright State (Horizon)
15. Yale (Ivy)
16. Siena (Metro)
17. Akron (Mid-American)
18. North Carolina Central (Mid-Eastern)
19. Bradley (Missouri Valley)
20. SDSU (Mountain West)
21. Merrimack (Northeast)
22. Belmont (Ohio Valley)
23. Oregon (Pac12)
24. Colgate (Patriot)
25. Kentucky (SEC)
26. UNC Greensboro (Southern)
27. Nicholls (Southland)
28. Prairie View (Southwestern)
29. NDSU (Summit)
30. Little Rock (Sun Belt)
31. Gonzaga (West Coast)
32. California Baptist (Western Athletic)
At Large Bids (No Order):
1. Louisville
2. Duke
3. Virginia
4. Baylor
5. Houston
6. Villanova
7. Creighton
8. Providence
9. Maryland
10. Michigan State
11. Ohio State
12. Butler
13. Iowa
14. Michigan
15. Rutgers
16. Utah State
17. UCLA
18. Illinois
19. Penn State
20. West Virginia
21. Arizona
22. Auburn
23. Texas
24. LSU
25. BYU
26. Colorado
27. Texas Tech
28. Oklahoma
29. Arizona State
30. Florida
31. USC
32. St Marys
34. Richmond
35. Xavier
36. Northern Iowa
NIT:
Wichita State
Memphis
Rhode Island
St Louis
Liberty
Marquette
Purdue
Indiana
Cincy
Murray State
Stanford
Mississippi State
South Carolina
ETSU
Furman
SFA
New Mexico State
Congrats. You are now the first and only "bracketologist" with Marquette out of the field. Good job!
I am on board that we are in. But could we be a Dayton candidate at this point? Serious question.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 07, 2020, 02:17:50 PM
Alright, I just completed the exercise and "filled the bracket." (under the assumption we lose to Depaul Wednesday night)
Here is what I came up with in 10 minutes. Conference Tournament champions I usually took the best team but threw a few bid stealers in there to get more of a "worst case" scenario for MU.
Blast me if you want but what teams are unequivocally behind MU in the at-large list? I didn't purposefully leave MU out, but honestly I am starting to see a scenario we get left out.
Conference Tournament Champions:
1. Vermont (America East)
2. Tulsa (American Athletic)
3. Dayton (A10)
4. Florida State (ACC)
5. North Florida (Atlantic Sun)
6. Kansas (Big 12)
7. Seton Hall (Big East)
8. Eastern Washington (Big Sky)
9. Winthrop (Big South)
10. Wisconsin (Big Ten)
11. UC Irvine (Big West)
12. Hofstra (Colonial)
13. North Texas (CUSA)
14. Wright State (Horizon)
15. Yale (Ivy)
16. Siena (Metro)
17. Akron (Mid-American)
18. North Carolina Central (Mid-Eastern)
19. Bradley (Missouri Valley)
20. SDSU (Mountain West)
21. Merrimack (Northeast)
22. Belmont (Ohio Valley)
23. Oregon (Pac12)
24. Colgate (Patriot)
25. Kentucky (SEC)
26. UNC Greensboro (Southern)
27. Nicholls (Southland)
28. Prairie View (Southwestern)
29. NDSU (Summit)
30. Little Rock (Sun Belt)
31. Gonzaga (West Coast)
32. California Baptist (Western Athletic)
At Large Bids (No Order):
1. Louisville
2. Duke
3. Virginia
4. Baylor
5. Houston
6. Villanova
7. Creighton
8. Providence
9. Maryland
10. Michigan State
11. Ohio State
12. Butler
13. Iowa
14. Michigan
15. Rutgers
16. Utah State
17. UCLA
18. Illinois
19. Penn State
20. West Virginia
21. Arizona
22. Auburn
23. Texas
24. LSU
25. BYU
26. Colorado
27. Texas Tech
28. Oklahoma
29. Arizona State
30. Florida
31. USC
32. St Marys
34. Richmond
35. Xavier
36. Northern Iowa
NIT:
Wichita State
Memphis
Rhode Island
St Louis
Liberty
Marquette
Purdue
Indiana
Cincy
Murray State
Stanford
Mississippi State
South Carolina
ETSU
Furman
SFA
New Mexico State
Like the effort but I'd exclude Northern Iowa, Richmond, USC. Also would bump Purdue into one of their slots.
Pretty hard to fathom MU not getting in, even if they lose to DePaul. However, I can't recall if committee is using last 10 game metric as a component anymore?
Would it be better to lose Wednesday and get a 10 or an 11 seed inatead of winning and getting an 8 or 9? Not saying i want that just whipping it out there
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 07, 2020, 02:25:44 PM
I am on board that we are in. But could we be a Dayton candidate at this point? Serious question.
I'd say probably not but it's not impossible.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 07, 2020, 02:27:09 PM
Like the effort but I'd exclude Northern Iowa, Richmond, USC. Also would bump Purdue into one of their slots.
Pretty hard to fathom MU not getting in, even if they lose to DePaul. However, I can't recall if committee is using last 10 game metric as a component anymore?
Richmond has a win over the Big 10 champs. They may get another shot at Dayton in the conference tournament.
USC has a big one against UCLA tonight. They will also have opportunities in the conference tournament.
Again, assuming MU loses to Depaul on Wednesday (which means a Xavier win tonight...and why I included X).
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 07, 2020, 02:33:07 PM
Richmond has a win over the Big 10 champs. They may get another shot at Dayton in the conference tournament.
USC has a big one against UCLA tonight. They will also have opportunities in the conference tournament.
Again, assuming MU loses to Depaul on Wednesday (which means a Xavier win tonight...and why I included X).
Why do you assume we play DePaul on Weds?
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 07, 2020, 02:37:10 PM
Why do you assume we play DePaul on Weds?
He's assuming worst case scenario in a devil's advocate exercise against the "stone-cold lock" group.
Quote from: manesworld on March 07, 2020, 02:24:31 PM
Congrats. You are now the first and only "bracketologist" with Marquette out of the field. Good job!
Bracketologists don't look one second into the future. Lot of games to be played this week around the country. Lot of opportunities for teams to get big wins and make up ground.
Marquette is in the tournament, but it's hard to blame the committee if it decides a team sporting a record of 18 - 13 is unworthy of a bid. I am stunned that after I left Milwaukee for Dallas after the Butler game we are in this position. You would think a team is trending in the right direction and poised for a nice run after a comprehensive victory.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 07, 2020, 02:17:50 PM
Alright, I just completed the exercise and "filled the bracket." (under the assumption we lose to Depaul Wednesday night)
Here is what I came up with in 10 minutes. Conference Tournament champions I usually took the best team but threw a few bid stealers in there to get more of a "worst case" scenario for MU.
Blast me if you want but what teams are unequivocally behind MU in the at-large list? I didn't purposefully leave MU out, but honestly I am starting to see a scenario we get left out.
Conference Tournament Champions:
1. Vermont (America East)
2. Tulsa (American Athletic)
3. Dayton (A10)
4. Florida State (ACC)
5. North Florida (Atlantic Sun)
6. Kansas (Big 12)
7. Seton Hall (Big East)
8. Eastern Washington (Big Sky)
9. Winthrop (Big South)
10. Wisconsin (Big Ten)
11. UC Irvine (Big West)
12. Hofstra (Colonial)
13. North Texas (CUSA)
14. Wright State (Horizon)
15. Yale (Ivy)
16. Siena (Metro)
17. Akron (Mid-American)
18. North Carolina Central (Mid-Eastern)
19. Bradley (Missouri Valley)
20. SDSU (Mountain West)
21. Merrimack (Northeast)
22. Belmont (Ohio Valley)
23. Oregon (Pac12)
24. Colgate (Patriot)
25. Kentucky (SEC)
26. UNC Greensboro (Southern)
27. Nicholls (Southland)
28. Prairie View (Southwestern)
29. NDSU (Summit)
30. Little Rock (Sun Belt)
31. Gonzaga (West Coast)
32. California Baptist (Western Athletic)
At Large Bids (No Order):
1. Louisville
2. Duke
3. Virginia
4. Baylor
5. Houston
6. Villanova
7. Creighton
8. Providence
9. Maryland
10. Michigan State
11. Ohio State
12. Butler
13. Iowa
14. Michigan
15. Rutgers
16. Utah State
17. UCLA
18. Illinois
19. Penn State
20. West Virginia
21. Arizona
22. Auburn
23. Texas
24. LSU
25. BYU
26. Colorado
27. Texas Tech
28. Oklahoma
29. Arizona State
30. Florida
31. USC
32. St Marys
34. Richmond
35. Xavier
36. Northern Iowa
NIT:
Wichita State
Memphis
Rhode Island
St Louis
Liberty
Marquette
Purdue
Indiana
Cincy
Murray State
Stanford
Mississippi State
South Carolina
ETSU
Furman
SFA
New Mexico State
UCLA
Utah State
Richmond
Texas
Texas tech (assuming a loss today)
Xavier
N Iowa
Oklahoma
Florida
Rutgers only if they lose to Purdue
Marquette will get in because of Marcus,tv ratings are what drives the ncaa now.People will want to see this guy that can score,score,score.Even if it's only for one game,he is a marketing tool.
USC has a big one against UCLA , now on CBS.
Quote from: BM1090 on March 07, 2020, 02:47:29 PM
UCLA
Utah State
Richmond
Texas
Texas tech (assuming a loss today)
Xavier
N Iowa
Oklahoma
Florida
Thanks. That list is getting a bit smaller than I would like to see.
Quote from: manesworld on March 07, 2020, 02:24:31 PM
Congrats. You are now the first and only "bracketologist" with Marquette out of the field. Good job!
How bout you post your list so we can all crap on it too!
Gonna be an interesting Selection Sunday.
Quote from: BM1090 on March 07, 2020, 02:47:29 PM
UCLA
Utah State
Richmond
Texas
Texas tech (assuming a loss today)
Xavier
N Iowa
Oklahoma
Florida
Rutgers only if they lose to Purdue
Interesting. I see that you have Wojos successors Coach, in the Dance.
Quote from: g0lden3agle on March 07, 2020, 02:54:36 PM
How bout you post your list so we can all crap on it too!
He's the most condescending poster on Scoop. Don't listen to him.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 07, 2020, 02:59:37 PM
He's the most condescending poster on Scoop. Don't listen to him.
Gonna be an interesting Selection Sunday.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 07, 2020, 02:50:36 PM
Thanks. That list is getting a bit smaller than I would like to see.
Texas losing by 22 at halftime vs. Oklahoma State. At home.
We are really making this thread relevant by testing this theory. Unreal.
Can't wait for the "we are a lock" heads to explode when they get left out.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 07, 2020, 04:07:46 PM
Can't wait for the "we are a lock" heads to explode when they get left out.
But they won't. Do some research.
Pretty insane that we've failed to win one game that would have moved it from 99% to 100%, though
UCLA loses a heartbreaker to USC. Good for MU. To put it in perspective, UCLA is considered in right now. Check out their numbers and compare them to MU
Bruins numbers heading into the game:
NET: 77
KenPom: 77
Sagarin: 60
KPI: 46
BPI: 93
SOS: 66
Quote from: Cfollow on March 07, 2020, 04:23:37 PM
Damb it UCLA. Help a brother out.
Go Utah State!!
Awesome.
Quote from: BM1090 on March 07, 2020, 04:20:46 PM
UCLA loses a heartbreaker to USC. Good for MU.
Always love counting on other programs to come through for us while we choke. Sign of a program trending upwards 🙄
Quote from: Cfollow on March 07, 2020, 04:23:37 PM
Damb it UCLA. Help a brother out.
Go Utah State!!
Ban this guy already
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 07, 2020, 02:17:50 PM
Alright, I just completed the exercise and "filled the bracket." (under the assumption we lose to Depaul Wednesday night)
Here is what I came up with in 10 minutes. Conference Tournament champions I usually took the best team but threw a few bid stealers in there to get more of a "worst case" scenario for MU.
Blast me if you want but what teams are unequivocally behind MU in the at-large list? I didn't purposefully leave MU out, but honestly I am starting to see a scenario we get left out.
Conference Tournament Champions:
1. Vermont (America East)
2. Tulsa (American Athletic)
3. Dayton (A10)
4. Florida State (ACC)
5. North Florida (Atlantic Sun)
6. Kansas (Big 12)
7. Seton Hall (Big East)
8. Eastern Washington (Big Sky)
9. Winthrop (Big South)
10. Wisconsin (Big Ten)
11. UC Irvine (Big West)
12. Hofstra (Colonial)
13. North Texas (CUSA)
14. Wright State (Horizon)
15. Yale (Ivy)
16. Siena (Metro)
17. Akron (Mid-American)
18. North Carolina Central (Mid-Eastern)
19. Bradley (Missouri Valley)
20. SDSU (Mountain West)
21. Merrimack (Northeast)
22. Belmont (Ohio Valley)
23. Oregon (Pac12)
24. Colgate (Patriot)
25. Kentucky (SEC)
26. UNC Greensboro (Southern)
27. Nicholls (Southland)
28. Prairie View (Southwestern)
29. NDSU (Summit)
30. Little Rock (Sun Belt)
31. Gonzaga (West Coast)
32. California Baptist (Western Athletic)
At Large Bids (No Order):
1. Louisville
2. Duke
3. Virginia
4. Baylor
5. Houston
6. Villanova
7. Creighton
8. Providence
9. Maryland
10. Michigan State
11. Ohio State
12. Butler
13. Iowa
14. Michigan
15. Rutgers
16. Utah State
17. UCLA
18. Illinois
19. Penn State
20. West Virginia
21. Arizona
22. Auburn
23. Texas
24. LSU
25. BYU
26. Colorado
27. Texas Tech
28. Oklahoma
29. Arizona State
30. Florida
31. USC
32. St Marys
34. Richmond
35. Xavier
36. Northern Iowa
NIT:
Wichita State
Memphis
Rhode Island
St Louis
Liberty
Marquette
Purdue
Indiana
Cincy
Murray State
Stanford
Mississippi State
South Carolina
ETSU
Furman
SFA
New Mexico State
We beat Xavier twice. Xavier is out, if we are out. I could see this happening, if we lose to DePaul again and Xavier losses to Butler and in first round of Big East tournament.
I will predict now that there will be no Big East teams in the Elite 8.
Quote from: BM1090 on March 07, 2020, 04:20:46 PM
UCLA loses a heartbreaker to USC. Good for MU. To put it in perspective, UCLA is considered in right now. Check out their numbers and compare them to MU
Bruins numbers heading into the game:
NET: 77
KenPom: 77
Sagarin: 60
KPI: 46
BPI: 93
SOS: 66
This is weak sauce.
Quote from: Retire0 on March 07, 2020, 04:25:45 PM
Ban this guy already
I don't like someone's opinion so we should ban them. Go back to the USSR already or China you'll fit right in. Now go back to your alley and keep burning books.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 07, 2020, 04:33:42 PM
This is weak sauce.
Presenting numbers of a true bubble team is weak? Okay. Way to add value to the conversation.
Quote from: Cfollow on March 07, 2020, 04:34:13 PM
I don't like someone's opinion so we should ban them. Go back to the USSR already or China you'll fit right in. Now go back to your alley and keep burning books.
Actively rooting against a team whose fan message board you're posting on isn't really an opinion.
https://twitter.com/ESPNLunardi/status/1236411682605486080?s=19
Still clear of the last 8 in. Not on the bubble according to Lunardi.
Quote from: BM1090 on March 07, 2020, 05:06:25 PM
https://twitter.com/ESPNLunardi/status/1236411682605486080?s=19
Still clear of the last 8 in. Not on the bubble according to Lunardi.
But the eye test!
Oklahoma down 18 to TCU at half.
I know I'm being annoying but all these teams are projected IN and below MU, yet keep losing. It's why we're safe.
Quote from: BM1090 on March 07, 2020, 05:58:52 PM
Oklahoma down 18 to TCU at half.
I know I'm being annoying but all these teams are projected IN and below MU, yet keep losing. It's why we're safe.
You're not being annoying. The people that don't want to pay attention to anybody but Marquette but also want to tell everyone Marquette is headed for the NIT need to hear it.
Brew said it about as well as anybody earlier in this thread. Given up on the season? Can't blame you. Want Wojo gone? Can't really argue at this point. Don't think MU has much of a chance to win a tournament game? Well, ya. They've proved that at this point.
But none of that is criteria for getting an ncaa tournament bid, and thankfully MUs first 75% of the season was good enough to secure the bid despite the collapse. If the committee still focused on the record last 10 games, maybe MU would end up in Dayton, but the committee has said many times over the past few years that all games mean the same, and it's the totality of the "body of work". Even with yet another clunker on Wednesday vs Depaul, MUs body of work will be well within at least 8-10 spots from the cutline.
It's gross. But it's just the way it is this year.
Utah State becomes the first potential bid stealer, although they may have gotten in anyways
Quote from: BM1090 on March 07, 2020, 05:58:52 PM
Oklahoma down 18 to TCU at half.
I know I'm being annoying but all these teams are projected IN and below MU, yet keep losing. It's why we're safe.
I for one appreciate your info because you've been consistent and are clearly well informed.
Quote from: BM1090 on March 07, 2020, 06:35:17 PM
Utah State becomes the first potential bid stealer, although they may have gotten in anyways
anyways is not a word tbh
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 06, 2020, 08:02:54 PM
This makes no sense, unless you desire the tournament to invite lesser teams by design. You're saying that you would like the committee to say, "clearly Team A has performed better, but we are taking Team B"
Weird
Good teams finish above .500 in their conference
Quote from: Badgerhater on March 07, 2020, 06:45:39 PM
Is there a 'be good according to Badgerhater' requirement to make the tourney? No? Then stfu
Quote from: BM1090 on March 07, 2020, 05:06:25 PM
https://twitter.com/ESPNLunardi/status/1236411682605486080?s=19
Still clear of the last 8 in. Not on the bubble according to Lunardi.
Now we are in the last 8. Fun times!
https://twitter.com/espnlunardi/status/1236454572585033730?s=21
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 07, 2020, 06:07:39 PM
You're not being annoying. The people that don't want to pay attention to anybody but Marquette but also want to tell everyone Marquette is headed for the NIT need to hear it.
Brew said it about as well as anybody earlier in this thread. Given up on the season? Can't blame you. Want Wojo gone? Can't really argue at this point. Don't think MU has much of a chance to win a tournament game? Well, ya. They've proved that at this point.
But none of that is criteria for getting an ncaa tournament bid, and thankfully MUs first 75% of the season was good enough to secure the bid despite the collapse. If the committee still focused on the record last 10 games, maybe MU would end up in Dayton, but the committee has said many times over the past few years that all games mean the same, and it's the totality of the "body of work". Even with yet another clunker on Wednesday vs Depaul, MUs body of work will be well within at least 8-10 spots from the cutline.
It's gross. But it's just the way it is this year.
Yes, MU is a tourney team. This year isn't like others as the field is historically weak. DePaul and St. Johns get a bad rep but are both top 75/100 teams. Therefore, any loss to them isn't considered "bad". Not to mention, they were close games. MU showed it can hang with majority of teams in the field through it's Big East schedule. Not to mention, NCAA would like their leading scorer out there especially as a lower seed to help generate buzz for the game. Subconciously, that will help MU in eyes of committee.
Expect 10-12 seed which is better than any 8-9 seed as you don't have to play #1 seed in Round of 32.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 07, 2020, 07:03:42 PM
Now we are in the last 8. Fun times!
https://twitter.com/espnlunardi/status/1236454572585033730?s=21
manesworld
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Oklahoma pulled off a huge comeback. Good for them.
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 07, 2020, 06:51:14 PM
Is there a 'be good according to Badgerhater' requirement to make the tourney? No? Then stfu
So did I attack anyone while laying out my obviously subjective criteria? Did I tell anyone to STFU?
No. I have always put more weight into the conference season then non-con. Marquette has regressed when faced by its peers.
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 07, 2020, 07:23:39 PM
Homophobe? C'mon bru. I was certain you're a broad.
Looks like JB has finished his 3rd Zima already!
Quote from: panda on March 07, 2020, 07:26:53 PM
Looks like JB has finished his 3rd Zima already!
231 posts? Tell that to your ex-wife. (Or I can tell her.... via whisper)
Quote from: panda on March 07, 2020, 07:26:53 PM
Looks like JB has finished his 3rd Zima already!
No way he can afford Zima. Mad Dog or Boone's Farm maybe or he steals White Claw from his Bernie Bros.
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 07, 2020, 07:31:03 PM
231 posts? Tell that to your ex-wife. (Or I can tell her.... via whisper)
Zing?
Quote from: panda on March 07, 2020, 07:41:49 PM
Zing?
Anonymous punks yappin... shhhhhhhhhhhhh.
If you want to say anything to me in person, let me know.
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 07, 2020, 07:43:33 PM
Anonymous punks yappin... shhhhhhhhhhhhh.
If you want to say anything to me in person, let me know.
Lol flagpole around 3pm?!
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 07, 2020, 07:31:03 PM
231 posts? Tell that to your ex-wife. (Or I can tell her.... via whisper)
Late Night Hoops u16 AAU assistant coach from the top ropes
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Quote from: PointWarrior on March 07, 2020, 04:07:46 PM
Can't wait for the "we are a lock" heads to explode when they get left out.
If "you can't wait" for MU not to be invited. Then you are not a Marquette fan. Go away.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 07, 2020, 07:03:42 PM
Now we are in the last 8. Fun times!
https://twitter.com/espnlunardi/status/1236454572585033730?s=21
Someone must have hacked Lunardi's twitter, because we've been lectured this past week how you're a mouth breathing Neanderthal if you think we're getting left out of the dance.
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on March 07, 2020, 08:00:54 PM
Late Night Hoops u16 AAU assistant coach from the top ropes
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Anonymous b. Got you
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 07, 2020, 08:10:53 PM
Someone must have hacked Lunardi's twitter, because we've been lectured this past week how you're a mouth breathing Neanderthal if you think we're getting left out of the dance.
I mean, we're still 8 spots clear of the cutline. 7 if Oklahoma's win bumps them. If Butler beats X then we play SHU which will likely be a loss but a Q1A loss.
I hate that it's even come to this where we're showing up on these lists. Needed one more win. Terrible.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 07, 2020, 08:10:53 PM
Someone must have hacked Lunardi's twitter, because we've been lectured this past week how you're a mouth breathing Neanderthal if you think we're getting left out of the dance.
Lunardi has 7 teams between Marquette and the NIT. When most brackets (including those who are better than Lunardi and don't update hourly for the fans) are updated tomorrow, Marquette will still be in them.
So yah, Marquette's not gonna get left out. Doesn't mean they're good or that the season is worth being proud about. I just gotta let you guys argue about it for the next week - too exhausting.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 07, 2020, 08:24:47 PM
Lunardi has 7 teams between Marquette and the NIT. When most brackets (including those who are better than Lunardi and don't update hourly for the fans) are updated tomorrow, Marquette will still be in them.
So yah, Marquette's not gonna get left out. Doesn't mean they're good or that the season is worth being proud about. I just gotta let you guys argue about it for the next week - too exhausting.
I'll keep doing it. I have nothing better to do.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 07, 2020, 08:24:47 PM
Lunardi has 7 teams between Marquette and the NIT. When most brackets (including those who are better than Lunardi and don't update hourly for the fans) are updated tomorrow, Marquette will still be in them.
So yah, Marquette's not gonna get left out. Doesn't mean they're good or that the season is worth being proud about. I just gotta let you guys argue about it for the next week - too exhausting.
Well......there always could be a run by 7 non tourney teams to win their conference tourneys. I'd almost laugh if that happened and MU didn't get in.
Quote from: BM1090 on March 07, 2020, 08:24:21 PM
I mean, we're still 8 spots clear of the cutline. 7 if Oklahoma's win bumps them. If Butler beats X then we play SHU which will likely be a loss but a Q1A loss.
I hate that it's even come to this where we're showing up on these lists. Needed one more win. Terrible.
Yeah, lots of opportunity for everyone to pick up quality wins over the next 8 days. If the teams were picked this second I think they are for sure in, but they are definitely trending closer to the cut line. As others have concluded, I'm hopeful MU has done enough already for a bid. The next game is a big one.
Quote from: BM1090 on March 07, 2020, 08:31:59 PM
I'll keep doing it. I have nothing better to do.
Like your honesty 😂
Kamar Baldwin hits a game winner with a second left to drop Xavier and probably keep them below MU in the pecking order.
We also avoid the potential to pick up a sketchy loss vs. DePaul
Its almost as if MU knows the bubble is weak and is playing with house money. This is not like the teams during a stretch of the Buzz era that needed to play with a fire to even MAKE the tournament. Its so strange. Last season it was the same deal; the team was solidly in middle of big east play and then the slump. This year, same deal. Team was in and then the slump started. Pulling at straws to attempt to rationalize the collapse but thats what I think.
Quote from: real chili 83 on March 07, 2020, 07:18:02 AM
Really, you get to call people out as stupid or illiterate?
When they say stupid things that have been thoroughly explained repeatedly on this site? Anyone could take that role, I was willing to step up.
Quote from: MU24 on March 07, 2020, 10:46:37 PM
Its almost as if MU knows the bubble is weak and is playing with house money. This is not like the teams during a stretch of the Buzz era that needed to play with a fire to even MAKE the tournament. Its so strange. Last season it was the same deal; the team was solidly in middle of big east play and then the slump. This year, same deal. Team was in and then the slump started. Pulling at straws to attempt to rationalize the collapse but thats what I think.
Last year we had to win one freaking game to win the BE and didn't. We were not in the middle.
6th last team in according to Lunardi. Bracket Matrix update will be interesting.
The distance between the first four out and the first four byes is pretty large.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 07, 2020, 10:47:36 PM
When they say stupid things that have been thoroughly explained repeatedly on this site? Anyone could take that role, I was willing to step up.
You're better than that. You do a great job of explaining complicated stats and telling us how the numbers are shaking out. But being condescending toward posters that don't read all the threads isn't a good look. Your posts and your blogs are top of the line. But you've got to be more forgiving of the people that don't keep up with all those posts. Those of us that read your work are better off for it for sure, but not all of Scoop is in that camp just yet. Give them time. They'll figure it out sooner or later.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 06, 2020, 09:15:53 PM
If you're sick of watching this team, I get it. If you think the lackluster effort is disappointing, I get it. If you're just ready for the season to be over, I get it. If you want Wojo fired, I get it.
But if you think for one millisecond this team might miss the NCAA tournament, you are either stupid, ignorant, or trolling. I'm trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.
Yes, my worse fear was that Xavier loses and we lose again to DePaul, which might have enticed the NCAA to drop my to last 4 in to play in Dayton, where Markus would be a nice headline.
With a loss to Seton Hall now the worst case I don't see us dropping that far.
There were multiple threads on the front page discussing it. Sorry, but when you explain something dozens of times on multiple social media platforms and the information is right in front of people and they still ignore what's in front of their face to post something ignorant, I'm not feeling guilty for calling it out.
Quote from: skianth16 on March 07, 2020, 11:15:07 PM
You're better than that. You do a great job of explaining complicated stats and telling us how the numbers are shaking out. But being condescending toward posters that don't read all the threads isn't a good look. Your posts and your blogs are top of the line. But you've got to be more forgiving of the people that don't keep up with all those posts. Those of us that read your work are better off for it for sure, but not all of Scoop is in that camp just yet. Give them time. They'll figure it out sooner or later.
Part of his response and tone has to do with the OP's posting attitude/history, I'm guessing
Brad Evans has MU as the top 9 seed after today. He's been one of the better well known guys for Yahoo.
Quote from: BM1090 on March 07, 2020, 11:53:45 PM
Brad Evans has MU as the top 9 seed after today. He's been one of the better well known guys for Yahoo.
Sounds about right. Thankfully, Butler helped us out tonight, and I don't see us being able to slide any more after today's loss. A 9 seed seems fair, but it's a tough place to be.
Quote from: skianth16 on March 07, 2020, 11:57:36 PM
Sounds about right. Thankfully, Butler helped us out tonight, and I don't see us being able to slide any more after today's loss. A 9 seed seems fair, but it's a tough place to be.
Sad we have to thank butler for helping us during this abysmal slide.
Let's try and steal one against SH
Quote from: Bad_Reporter on March 08, 2020, 12:00:19 AM
Sad we have to thank butler for helping us during this abysmal slide.
Let's try and steal one against SH
Take what you can get in March. We've earned our way in, so let's take advantage of any help we can for the remaining games.
I don't know if I can take Marquette being on the wrong end of One Shining Moment two years in a row!
Quote from: BM1090 on March 07, 2020, 08:24:21 PM
I mean, we're still 8 spots clear of the cutline. 7 if Oklahoma's win bumps them. If Butler beats X then we play SHU which will likely be a loss but a Q1A loss.
I hate that it's even come to this where we're showing up on these lists. Needed one more win. Terrible.
Never worry. Stone cold lock!!!!!!
Quote from: BM1090 on March 07, 2020, 08:31:59 PM
I'll keep doing it. I have nothing better to do.
Of course if MU slimes in, then all the Wojo Wooers will of course start the mantra, "You do not dump a coach who made the dance two straight years and three of four." "He is our coach and you must support him or you are not a fan, and we must keep him for the next 10 years because of the recruits coming and because his buyout is too high and because he is really a good guy and because he means well and is really trying hard, and our conference is really tough and we are trending upward and because...sputter...sputter...not withstanding that MU keeps dumping at the end of the year and he has let key players walk, and we are not competing for BEast titles, and we are getting our asses handed to us by the doormats of the conference and Wojo is repeatedly outcoached by at least 7 other BEast coaches and where we are really trending is to mid major status and bottom rung of Beast.
Good definition of insanity: Keep repeating what aint working.
I'm not saying one way or another whether I'm a Projo after this season, but some of the best coaches in the NCAA have had much worse runs during their first 5 years at their schools. I'm sure all of them had a Willie, Bilsu, etc. calling for their heads. If this represents Wojo's "darkest before the light" moment, count our blessings.
Quote from: Windyplayer on March 08, 2020, 07:33:01 AM
I'm not saying one way or another whether I'm a Projo after this season, but some of the best coaches in the NCAA have had much worse runs during their first 5 years at their schools. I'm sure all of them had a Willie, Bilsu, etc. calling for their heads. If this represents Wojo's "darkest before the light" moment, count our blessings.
Honest question. The "worse runs than wojo is the first 5 years" comment. Is that fact or an assumption?
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 07, 2020, 02:17:50 PM
Conference Tournament Champions:
1. Vermont (America East)
2. Tulsa (American Athletic)
3. Dayton (A
4. Florida State (ACC)
5. North Florida (Atlantic Sun)
6. Kansas (Big 12)
7. Seton Hall (Big East)
8. Eastern Washington (Big Sky)
9. Winthrop (Big South)
10. Wisconsin (Big Ten)
11. UC Irvine (Big West)
12. Hofstra (Colonial)
13. North Texas (CUSA)
14. Wright State (Horizon)
15. Yale (Ivy)
16. Siena (Metro)
17. Akron (Mid-American)
18. North Carolina Central (Mid-Eastern)
19. Bradley (Missouri Valley)
20. SDSU (Mountain West)
21. Merrimack (Northeast)
22. Belmont (Ohio Valley)
23. Oregon (Pac12)
24. Colgate (Patriot)
25. Kentucky (SEC)
26. UNC Greensboro (Southern)
27. Nicholls (Southland)
28. Prairie View (Southwestern)
29. NDSU (Summit)
30. Little Rock (Sun Belt)
31. Gonzaga (West Coast)
32. California Baptist (Western Athletic)
At Large Bids (No Order):
1. Louisville
2. Duke
3. Virginia
4. Baylor
5. Houston
6. Villanova
7. Creighton
8. Providence
9. Maryland
10. Michigan State
11. Ohio State
12. Butler
13. Iowa
14. Michigan
15. Rutgers
16. Utah State
17. UCLA
18. Illinois
19. Penn State
20. West Virginia
21. Arizona
22. Auburn
23. Texas
24. LSU
25. BYU
26. Colorado
27. Texas Tech
28. Oklahoma
29. Arizona State
30. Florida
31. USC
32. St Marys
34. Richmond
35. Xavier
36. Northern Iowa
NIT:
Wichita State
Memphis
Rhode Island
St Louis
Liberty
Marquette
Purdue
Indiana
Cincy
Murray State
Stanford
Mississippi State
South Carolina
ETSU
Furman
SFA
New Mexico State
So, you're saying ND sucks.
If we get trounced by Seton Hall on Thursday, which is likely, I think this is a legitimate question. Numbers-wise we might be in, but anyone worth their weight in geldings knows this is barely an NIT team at this point. Mentally & physically soft with players that appear to have actively checked out on the coach.
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on March 08, 2020, 09:16:24 AM
If we get trounced by Seton Hall on Thursday, which is likely, I think this is a legitimate question. Numbers-wise we might be in, but anyone worth their weight in geldings knows this is barely an NIT team at this point. Mentally & physically soft with players that appear to have actively checked out on the coach.
I don't think it looks like anyone has "checked out" at all.
I'm sick of watching this too, but a top-30 NET, 5 Q1 wins, 11 Q1+2 wins, and a winning Q1+2+3 record is not getting left out period.
Honestly, there's a part of me that wishes we could make the NIT because I want 4-5 more games of Markus and it's more likely to happen there, but the reality is we're still safely in. Even if we lose to SHU by 30 on Thursday.
I'm trying to be as nice as possible right now, but there is no way we miss out. Not with the changes that have been made to the selection process.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 08, 2020, 09:47:07 AM
I'm sick of watching this too, but a top-30 NET, 5 Q1 wins, 11 Q1+2 wins, and a winning Q1+2+3 record is not getting left out period.
Honestly, there's a part of me that wishes we could make the NIT because I want 4-5 more games of Markus and it's more likely to happen there, but the reality is we're still safely in. Even if we lose to SHU by 30 on Thursday.
I'm trying to be as nice as possible right now, but there is no way we miss out. Not with the changes that have been made to the selection process.
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If we lose Thursday, which would be 7 of 8. It wouldn't be shocking. This was from lunardi late last night which wasn't reflected in latest bracketology
Quote from: WarriorPride68 on March 08, 2020, 09:52:34 AM
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If we lose Thursday, which would be 7 of 8. It wouldn't be shocking. This was from lunardi late last night which wasn't reflected in latest bracketology
Lunardi is well known, but isn't really good at brackets. Recency is not at all a factor considered and there just aren't enough bid thieves out there. I regularly keep an eye on Delphi, Harkins, and bracketville. Of those three, only bracketville has us in the last 8 and there are still 6 teams between us and the cut. The difference is we can't damage our resume further. Those teams behind us can and there's a big difference in resume quality between us and the first teams out.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 08, 2020, 09:59:55 AM
Lunardi is well known, but isn't really good at brackets. Recency is not at all a factor considered and there just aren't enough bid thieves out there. I regularly keep an eye on Delphi, Harkins, and bracketville. Of those three, only bracketville has us in the last 8 and there are still 6 teams between us and the cut. The difference is we can't damage our resume further. Those teams behind us can and there's a big difference in resume quality between us and the first teams out.
Agreed on Lunardi, I believe he was ranked in the 50's on overall accuracy in recent years amongst various outlets.
But if bid stealers come out in swarms when tournaments start this week it'will be interesting next Sunday
Another interesting comparison, Purdue for example who universally is considered out of the field:
Net
26 MU
33 Purdue
Kenpom
23 Purdue
30 Marquette
Sagarin
23 Purdue
40 Marquette
KPI
34 MU
56 Purdue
BPI
19 Purdue
30 Marquette
Another loss Thursday, some bid stealers in conference tournaments & bubble teams advancing in tourny's could make for an entertaining selection show
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 08, 2020, 09:47:07 AM
I'm sick of watching this too, but a top-30 NET, 5 Q1 wins, 11 Q1+2 wins, and a winning Q1+2+3 record is not getting left out period.
Honestly, there's a part of me that wishes we could make the NIT because I want 4-5 more games of Markus and it's more likely to happen there, but the reality is we're still safely in. Even if we lose to SHU by 30 on Thursday.
I'm trying to be as nice as possible right now, but there is no way we miss out. Not with the changes that have been made to the selection process.
This is the way I also feel. the only thing I had to root for lately was Markus scoring. There will be no need to go to games next year.
I think we will be in the play in game, if we lose to Seton Hall, which might give Markus one extra game.
Who gives a unnatural carnal knowledge about the NIT. You guys are nuts for wanting NIT over NCAA for any reason. Give me an ncaa bid over an NIT championship all day.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 08, 2020, 03:35:36 PM
Who gives a unnatural carnal knowledge about the NIT. You guys are nuts for wanting NIT over NCAA for any reason. Give me an ncaa bid over an NIT championship all day.
Hey! Don't knock the NIT! Chicos frequently uses it as a "feather" in Wojo's Coaching cap.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 08, 2020, 03:35:36 PM
Who gives a unnatural carnal knowledge about the NIT. You guys are nuts for wanting NIT over NCAA for any reason. Give me an ncaa bid over an NIT championship all day.
I don't want the NIT. But I want as much Markus as I can get. That's the only thing left to watch for.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 08, 2020, 04:22:12 PM
I don't want the NIT. But I want as much Markus as I can get. That's the only thing left to watch for.
I want ncaa tournament wins. It's unlikely, but I'm looking forward to playing someone that hasn't already played us. Probably won't go well, but Markus plenty good to shoot this team to 2nd weekend if yesterday's Sacar shows and we can get basically anything from the rest of the team.
Are they really putting 7 from the Pac12 in the tournament?
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 08, 2020, 04:25:18 PM
Are they really putting 7 from the Pac12 in the tournament?
Wouldn't surprise me. If anything is indicative of how bad the bubble is, that's it.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 08, 2020, 04:25:18 PM
Are they really putting 7 from the Pac12 in the tournament?
I am biased, but don't see how ASU, Stanford and UCLA can be ahead of Xavier in the pecking roder
I almost feel like its embarrassing for a major program to hang an NIT championship banner up lol. Screw the NIT. Rather get an ncca bid as a 16 seed than an nit championship. Markus has zero interest in anything besides one final shot at an ncca run at this point. Zero
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 08, 2020, 04:22:12 PM
I don't want the NIT. But I want as much Markus as I can get. That's the only thing left to watch for.
Markus has been here for 4 years. I've seen enough of him, or at least enough where I have no desire to watch him score 120 points in three meaningless NIT games. I'll take the excitement of one Tourney game any time.
Don't forget we may also get to see Markus playing somewhat affiliated ball with MU in TBT. Him and Rowsey would be fun to watch again in that event. Have no interest in the NIT, especially this year.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 08, 2020, 04:22:12 PM
I don't want the NIT. But I want as much Markus as I can get. That's the only thing left to watch for.
+1000
Quote from: Johnny B on March 08, 2020, 04:33:34 PM
I almost feel like its embarrassing for a major program to hang an NIT championship banner up lol. Screw the NIT. Rather get an ncca bid as a 16 seed than an nit championship. Markus has zero interest in anything besides one final shot at an ncca run at this point. Zero
If this is true, than the team can get valuable experience playing without him in the NIT.
Quote from: bilsu on March 08, 2020, 05:26:40 PM
If this is true, than the team can get valuable experience playing without him in the NIT.
How "valuable" was the 2018 NIT for us when we choked down the stretch last year?
Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 08, 2020, 04:34:34 PM
I'll take the excitement of one Tourney game any time.
I agree with you, but then remember Ja killing us last year, and at least consider the benefits of a NIT run.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 08, 2020, 04:37:28 PM
Don't forget we may also get to see Markus playing somewhat affiliated ball with MU in TBT. Him and Rowsey would be fun to watch again in that event. Have no interest in the NIT, especially this year.
I can understand being disappointed to be in NIT.
However, I will be going to any NIT game at the Al to cheer on my team.
The team can do without entitled fans like you.
Quote from: WI inferiority Complexes on March 08, 2020, 05:28:53 PM
I agree with you, but then remember Ja killing us last year, and at least consider the benefits of a NIT run.
There are zero benefits to an NIT run. 2018 showed that.
Guys, Marquette isn't going to the NIT.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 08, 2020, 04:37:28 PM
Don't forget we may also get to see Markus playing somewhat affiliated ball with MU in TBT. Him and Rowsey would be fun to watch again in that event. Have no interest in the NIT, especially this year.
Are you assuming he'll be asked?
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 08, 2020, 05:30:46 PM
Guys, Marquette isn't going to the NIT.
Let's do a little exercise...I'm not disagreeing with you, but want your thoughts...what IF and yes, it's VERY unlikely to happen, but let's just say the following occurs:
MU loses to Seton Hall Thursday night...
Then the following ALL happen:
Now these teams are just Examples for the purposes of using SOMEONE to complete the exercise
Purdue wins the Big ten tourney
George Washington wins the A-10 Tourney
North Carolina wins the ACC Tourney
Texas A & M wins the SEC tourney
Oklahoma St wins the BXII tourney
Washington wins the Pac 12 tourney
DePaul wins the Big East tourney
Pacific wins the West Coast tourney
East Carolina wins the American tourney
This highlights the fact that it IS possible(even if not likely) that MU can get left out. To be honest, I'm not 100% sure all of these things would need to occur for it to happen either..but even if half do...it COULD be a dicey proposition on Selection Sunday.
Quote from: muguru on March 08, 2020, 05:52:40 PM
Let's do a little exercise...I'm not disagreeing with you, but want your thoughts...what IF and yes, it's VERY unlikely to happen, but let's just say the following occurs:
MU loses to Seton Hall Thursday night...
Then the following ALL happen:
Now these teams are just Examples for the purposes of using SOMEONE to complete the exercise
Purdue wins the Big ten tourney
George Washington wins the A-10 Tourney
North Carolina wins the ACC Tourney
Texas A & M wins the SEC tourney
Oklahoma St wins the BXII tourney
Washington wins the Pac 12 tourney
DePaul wins the Big East tourney
Pacific wins the West Coast tourney
East Carolina wins the American tourney
This highlights the fact that it IS possible(even if not likely) that MU can get left out. To be honest, I'm not 100% sure all of these things would need to occur for it to happen either..but even if half do...it COULD be a dicey proposition on Selection Sunday.
Yes if there are by far the most bid stealers in history, MU could get left out. So could a ton of other teams that are locks. It's never happened before. It won't happen this year.
I'll still be watching the games though!
Quote from: muguru on March 08, 2020, 05:52:40 PM
Let's do a little exercise...I'm not disagreeing with you, but want your thoughts...what IF and yes, it's VERY unlikely to happen, but let's just say the following occurs:
MU loses to Seton Hall Thursday night...
Then the following ALL happen:
Now these teams are just Examples for the purposes of using SOMEONE to complete the exercise
Purdue wins the Big ten tourney
George Washington wins the A-10 Tourney
North Carolina wins the ACC Tourney
Texas A & M wins the SEC tourney
Oklahoma St wins the BXII tourney
Washington wins the Pac 12 tourney
DePaul wins the Big East tourney
Pacific wins the West Coast tourney
East Carolina wins the American tourney
This highlights the fact that it IS possible(even if not likely) that MU can get left out. To be honest, I'm not 100% sure all of these things would need to occur for it to happen either..but even if half do...it COULD be a dicey proposition on Selection Sunday.
Lol. It's more likely the entire ncaa tournament is cancelled due to corona virus than this or something remotely close to this occurring.
Quote from: Silent Verbal on March 08, 2020, 05:28:37 PM
How "valuable" was the 2018 NIT for us when we choked down the stretch last year?
It was dumb and dangerous.
Duh.
Quote from: muguru on March 08, 2020, 05:52:40 PM
Let's do a little exercise...I'm not disagreeing with you, but want your thoughts...what IF and yes, it's VERY unlikely to happen, but let's just say the following occurs:
MU loses to Seton Hall Thursday night...
Then the following ALL happen:
Now these teams are just Examples for the purposes of using SOMEONE to complete the exercise
Purdue wins the Big ten tourney
George Washington wins the A-10 Tourney
North Carolina wins the ACC Tourney
Texas A & M wins the SEC tourney
Oklahoma St wins the BXII tourney
Washington wins the Pac 12 tourney
DePaul wins the Big East tourney
Pacific wins the West Coast tourney
East Carolina wins the American tourney
This highlights the fact that it IS possible(even if not likely) that MU can get left out. To be honest, I'm not 100% sure all of these things would need to occur for it to happen either..but even if half do...it COULD be a dicey proposition on Selection Sunday.
MU might be out even if they beat Seton Hall, if all the above teams won their conference tournaments.