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CountryRoads

Doesn't each committee use arbitrary and sometimes random criteria when evaluating teams? It seems some committees place a high emphasis on SOS, or last 10 games, or "beating really good teams", or road wins, etc. I'd agree with others that say we are a stone cold lock, but we don't know what this committee's points of emphasis will be exactly. Last year it seemed like it was Q1 wins or the gtfo.

JamilJaeJamailJrJuan

Quote from: warriorfred on March 07, 2020, 07:12:09 AM
If Marquette loses out, they do not make the tournament.  A losing conference record and a long slide to end the season equals a team that does not pass the "eye test."

The NET rankings are one metric, not everything.

I genuinely challenge you to spend some time this morning and analyze at large resumes and list the 36 at large resumes better than Marquette. Don't forget to remove the 32 auto bids. Once you actually dig into the information, your opinion will change.

Until you do that, stop posting that Marquette isn't going to make the tournament.
Quote from: Goose on February 09, 2017, 11:06:04 AM
I would take the Rick SLU program right now.

willie warrior

Funny how so many wooers of the Wojo wonders dictate and dismiss any doubt about making the dance if we lose out. Could it be cases of not objectively evaluating that performance? Having blue and gold blinders  thoroughly covering their eyes?  Losing the next 2 would put us at 18-13 for the year and what, 8-10 in BEast  losing 7 of last 8. Not worthy and no question about it. Wojo woofers desperately needing a win and ticket to dance to justify that Wojo needs to be retained for 10 more years to prove himself., that he is at best definition of mediocrity. Maybe that is why they cling to the dismissive mantra "stone cold lock"
I thought you were dead. Willie lives rent free in Reekers mind. Rick Pitino: "You can either complain or adapt."

JamilJaeJamailJrJuan

Quote from: willie warrior on March 07, 2020, 09:43:22 AM
Funny how so many wooers of the Wojo wonders dictate and dismiss any doubt about making the dance if we lose out. Could it be cases of not objectively evaluating that performance? Having blue and gold blinders  thoroughly covering their eyes?  Losing the next 2 would put us at 18-13 for the year and what, 8-10 in BEast  losing 7 of last 8. Not worthy and no question about it. Wojo woofers desperately needing a win and ticket to dance to justify that Wojo needs to be retained for 10 more years to prove himself., that he is at best definition of mediocrity. Maybe that is why they cling to the dismissive mantra "stone cold lock"

List 36 better at large resumes. Remove the auto bids. Please. I'd love to see you try.
Quote from: Goose on February 09, 2017, 11:06:04 AM
I would take the Rick SLU program right now.

HutchwasClutch

Quote from: willie warrior on March 07, 2020, 09:43:22 AM
Funny how so many wooers of the Wojo wonders dictate and dismiss any doubt about making the dance if we lose out. Could it be cases of not objectively evaluating that performance? Having blue and gold blinders  thoroughly covering their eyes?  Losing the next 2 would put us at 18-13 for the year and what, 8-10 in BEast  losing 7 of last 8. Not worthy and no question about it. Wojo woofers desperately needing a win and ticket to dance to justify that Wojo needs to be retained for 10 more years to prove himself., that he is at best definition of mediocrity. Maybe that is why they cling to the dismissive mantra "stone cold lock"

Nailed it on everything.

Elonsmusk

Quote from: willie warrior on March 07, 2020, 09:43:22 AM
Funny how so many wooers of the Wojo wonders dictate and dismiss any doubt about making the dance if we lose out. Could it be cases of not objectively evaluating that performance? Having blue and gold blinders  thoroughly covering their eyes?  Losing the next 2 would put us at 18-13 for the year and what, 8-10 in BEast  losing 7 of last 8. Not worthy and no question about it. Wojo woofers desperately needing a win and ticket to dance to justify that Wojo needs to be retained for 10 more years to prove himself., that he is at best definition of mediocrity. Maybe that is why they cling to the dismissive mantra "stone cold lock"

Agree with you Willie. However, we will still get in because of Markus AND by virtue of Big East having the best perfect league composition via no elite teams, but no terrible teams. A cluster of teams 15-65. So. Tons of opportunities to get "quality wins," and rack up a strong strength of schedule which the computer models love.

jesmu84

Well. No.

There are many who are "out" or leaning out on Wojo. They still believe Marquette is a lock based on the overall resume compared to the field.

Nothing to do with subjective/blinders/etc

JamilJaeJamailJrJuan

Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 07, 2020, 09:55:15 AM
Agree with you Willie. However, we will still get in because of Markus AND by virtue of Big East having the best perfect league composition via no elite teams, but no terrible teams. A cluster of teams 15-65. So. Tons of opportunities to get "quality wins," and rack up a strong strength of schedule which the computer models love.

Seton Hall is definitely an elite team, and Nova and Creighton aren't far behind. All three of those teams could easily make the final 4 this season.
Quote from: Goose on February 09, 2017, 11:06:04 AM
I would take the Rick SLU program right now.

JamilJaeJamailJrJuan

Quote from: jesmu84 on March 07, 2020, 09:58:27 AM
Well. No.

There are many who are "out" or leaning out on Wojo. They still believe Marquette is a lock based on the overall resume compared to the field.

Nothing to do with subjective/blinders/etc

This. At this point, I can't defend Wojo. But that has nothing to do with Marquette's at large resume that is at worst a 10 seed with a loss today and first round exit in the BET.
Quote from: Goose on February 09, 2017, 11:06:04 AM
I would take the Rick SLU program right now.

Elonsmusk

Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 07, 2020, 09:59:46 AM
Seton Hall is definitely an elite team, and Nova and Creighton aren't far behind. All three of those teams could easily make the final 4 this season.

Not sure I'd call Hall or Creighton elite...but they are two best teams in league for sure and very good.  Think Nova isn't as good as their KenPom ranking suggests.

If given a hypothetical bet of:  Will a Big East team make Final Four, I'd side with "No." 

wadesworld

Quote from: warriorfred on March 07, 2020, 07:12:09 AM
If Marquette loses out, they do not make the tournament.  A losing conference record and a long slide to end the season equals a team that does not pass the "eye test."

The NET rankings are one metric, not everything.

And the eye test is 0 metrics, so nothing.

You're wrong.

Jay Bee

Really strange, but it seems like some people think the committee looks at a team and decides whether they should be in or out based on what they did, and that's the entirety of the process. That's not the case.

There will be 68 teams in the tourney. They have to fill it.
The portal is NOT closed.

Cfollow

They look good today and that 18-13 record at the end of the season and 8-11 record in league play should really impress the committee. They would be the WORST at-large team ever selected and it's really not close.

RideMyBuycks

Quote from: Cfollow on March 07, 2020, 11:46:47 AM
They look good today and that 18-13 record at the end of the season and 8-11 record in league play should really impress the committee. They would be the WORST at-large team ever selected and it's really not close.

This is incorrect

5DollarPitcher

Quote from: manesworld on March 07, 2020, 10:53:55 AM
And the eye test is 0 metrics, so nothing.

You're wrong.
The games are played on the floor not in KenPom simulations. 

As has been mentioned.  KenPom skews all B10 and Big East teams this year, regardless of how good or bad they are.  If Xavier or Minnesota or Marquette can even muster a record close to .500 in Big East play, KenPom will call them a "good" team.  That doesn't actually mean these teams are good.  Are you watching the game today?

CountryRoads

#65
Alright, I just completed the exercise and "filled the bracket." (under the assumption we lose to Depaul Wednesday night)

Here is what I came up with in 10 minutes. Conference Tournament champions I usually took the best team but threw a few bid stealers in there to get more of a "worst case" scenario for MU.

Blast me if you want but what teams are unequivocally behind MU in the at-large list? I didn't purposefully leave MU out, but honestly I am starting to see a scenario we get left out.

Conference Tournament Champions:

1. Vermont (America East)
2. Tulsa (American Athletic)
3. Dayton (A10)
4. Florida State (ACC)
5. North Florida (Atlantic Sun)
6. Kansas (Big 12)
7. Seton Hall (Big East)
8. Eastern Washington (Big Sky)
9. Winthrop (Big South)
10. Wisconsin (Big Ten)
11. UC Irvine (Big West)
12. Hofstra (Colonial)
13. North Texas (CUSA)
14. Wright State (Horizon)
15. Yale (Ivy)
16. Siena (Metro)
17. Akron (Mid-American)
18. North Carolina Central (Mid-Eastern)
19. Bradley (Missouri Valley)
20. SDSU (Mountain West)
21. Merrimack (Northeast)
22. Belmont (Ohio Valley)
23. Oregon (Pac12)
24. Colgate (Patriot)
25. Kentucky (SEC)
26. UNC Greensboro (Southern)
27. Nicholls (Southland)
28. Prairie View (Southwestern)
29. NDSU (Summit)
30. Little Rock (Sun Belt)
31. Gonzaga (West Coast)
32. California Baptist (Western Athletic)

At Large Bids (No Order):

1. Louisville
2. Duke
3. Virginia
4. Baylor
5. Houston
6. Villanova
7. Creighton
8. Providence
9. Maryland
10. Michigan State
11. Ohio State
12. Butler
13. Iowa
14. Michigan
15. Rutgers
16. Utah State
17. UCLA
18. Illinois
19. Penn State
20. West Virginia
21. Arizona
22. Auburn
23. Texas
24. LSU
25. BYU
26. Colorado
27. Texas Tech
28. Oklahoma
29. Arizona State
30. Florida
31. USC
32. St Marys
34. Richmond
35. Xavier
36. Northern Iowa

NIT:

Wichita State
Memphis
Rhode Island
St Louis
Liberty
Marquette
Purdue
Indiana
Cincy
Murray State
Stanford
Mississippi State
South Carolina
ETSU
Furman
SFA
New Mexico State


warriorfred

Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 07, 2020, 09:20:15 AM
You have no idea what you're talking about.

Sadly, we may find out in week.  I sincerely hope I am a "Bracketology" idiot.

warriors141

yea, I don't get the whole stone cold lock thing.

Then again, I am not sure many thought we would lose to both of these teams. As bad as Wojo is, and with what happened last year, it still is quite remarkable to end the year this bad again considering we played the 2 worst teams without their best players

wadesworld

Quote from: warriorfred on March 07, 2020, 02:21:13 PM
Sadly, we may find out in week.  I sincerely hope I am a "Bracketology" idiot.

You are.

wadesworld

Quote from: CountryRoads on March 07, 2020, 02:17:50 PM
Alright, I just completed the exercise and "filled the bracket." (under the assumption we lose to Depaul Wednesday night)

Here is what I came up with in 10 minutes. Conference Tournament champions I usually took the best team but threw a few bid stealers in there to get more of a "worst case" scenario for MU.

Blast me if you want but what teams are unequivocally behind MU in the at-large list? I didn't purposefully leave MU out, but honestly I am starting to see a scenario we get left out.

Conference Tournament Champions:

1. Vermont (America East)
2. Tulsa (American Athletic)
3. Dayton (A10)
4. Florida State (ACC)
5. North Florida (Atlantic Sun)
6. Kansas (Big 12)
7. Seton Hall (Big East)
8. Eastern Washington (Big Sky)
9. Winthrop (Big South)
10. Wisconsin (Big Ten)
11. UC Irvine (Big West)
12. Hofstra (Colonial)
13. North Texas (CUSA)
14. Wright State (Horizon)
15. Yale (Ivy)
16. Siena (Metro)
17. Akron (Mid-American)
18. North Carolina Central (Mid-Eastern)
19. Bradley (Missouri Valley)
20. SDSU (Mountain West)
21. Merrimack (Northeast)
22. Belmont (Ohio Valley)
23. Oregon (Pac12)
24. Colgate (Patriot)
25. Kentucky (SEC)
26. UNC Greensboro (Southern)
27. Nicholls (Southland)
28. Prairie View (Southwestern)
29. NDSU (Summit)
30. Little Rock (Sun Belt)
31. Gonzaga (West Coast)
32. California Baptist (Western Athletic)

At Large Bids (No Order):

1. Louisville
2. Duke
3. Virginia
4. Baylor
5. Houston
6. Villanova
7. Creighton
8. Providence
9. Maryland
10. Michigan State
11. Ohio State
12. Butler
13. Iowa
14. Michigan
15. Rutgers
16. Utah State
17. UCLA
18. Illinois
19. Penn State
20. West Virginia
21. Arizona
22. Auburn
23. Texas
24. LSU
25. BYU
26. Colorado
27. Texas Tech
28. Oklahoma
29. Arizona State
30. Florida
31. USC
32. St Marys
34. Richmond
35. Xavier
36. Northern Iowa

NIT:

Wichita State
Memphis
Rhode Island
St Louis
Liberty
Marquette
Purdue
Indiana
Cincy
Murray State
Stanford
Mississippi State
South Carolina
ETSU
Furman
SFA
New Mexico State

Congrats. You are now the first and only "bracketologist" with Marquette out of the field. Good job!

5DollarPitcher

I am on board that we are in.  But could we be a Dayton candidate at this point?  Serious question.

Elonsmusk

Quote from: CountryRoads on March 07, 2020, 02:17:50 PM
Alright, I just completed the exercise and "filled the bracket." (under the assumption we lose to Depaul Wednesday night)

Here is what I came up with in 10 minutes. Conference Tournament champions I usually took the best team but threw a few bid stealers in there to get more of a "worst case" scenario for MU.

Blast me if you want but what teams are unequivocally behind MU in the at-large list? I didn't purposefully leave MU out, but honestly I am starting to see a scenario we get left out.

Conference Tournament Champions:

1. Vermont (America East)
2. Tulsa (American Athletic)
3. Dayton (A10)
4. Florida State (ACC)
5. North Florida (Atlantic Sun)
6. Kansas (Big 12)
7. Seton Hall (Big East)
8. Eastern Washington (Big Sky)
9. Winthrop (Big South)
10. Wisconsin (Big Ten)
11. UC Irvine (Big West)
12. Hofstra (Colonial)
13. North Texas (CUSA)
14. Wright State (Horizon)
15. Yale (Ivy)
16. Siena (Metro)
17. Akron (Mid-American)
18. North Carolina Central (Mid-Eastern)
19. Bradley (Missouri Valley)
20. SDSU (Mountain West)
21. Merrimack (Northeast)
22. Belmont (Ohio Valley)
23. Oregon (Pac12)
24. Colgate (Patriot)
25. Kentucky (SEC)
26. UNC Greensboro (Southern)
27. Nicholls (Southland)
28. Prairie View (Southwestern)
29. NDSU (Summit)
30. Little Rock (Sun Belt)
31. Gonzaga (West Coast)
32. California Baptist (Western Athletic)

At Large Bids (No Order):

1. Louisville
2. Duke
3. Virginia
4. Baylor
5. Houston
6. Villanova
7. Creighton
8. Providence
9. Maryland
10. Michigan State
11. Ohio State
12. Butler
13. Iowa
14. Michigan
15. Rutgers
16. Utah State
17. UCLA
18. Illinois
19. Penn State
20. West Virginia
21. Arizona
22. Auburn
23. Texas
24. LSU
25. BYU
26. Colorado
27. Texas Tech
28. Oklahoma
29. Arizona State
30. Florida
31. USC
32. St Marys
34. Richmond
35. Xavier
36. Northern Iowa

NIT:

Wichita State
Memphis
Rhode Island
St Louis
Liberty
Marquette
Purdue
Indiana
Cincy
Murray State
Stanford
Mississippi State
South Carolina
ETSU
Furman
SFA
New Mexico State

Like the effort but I'd exclude Northern Iowa, Richmond, USC. Also would bump Purdue into one of their slots.

Pretty hard to fathom MU not getting in, even if they lose to DePaul. However, I can't recall if committee is using last 10 game metric as a component anymore?

Johnny B

Would it be better to lose Wednesday and get a 10 or an 11 seed inatead of winning and getting an 8 or 9? Not saying i want that just whipping it out there

BM1090

Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 07, 2020, 02:25:44 PM
I am on board that we are in.  But could we be a Dayton candidate at this point?  Serious question.

I'd say probably not but it's not impossible.

CountryRoads

Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 07, 2020, 02:27:09 PM
Like the effort but I'd exclude Northern Iowa, Richmond, USC. Also would bump Purdue into one of their slots.

Pretty hard to fathom MU not getting in, even if they lose to DePaul. However, I can't recall if committee is using last 10 game metric as a component anymore?

Richmond has a win over the Big 10 champs. They may get another shot at Dayton in the conference tournament.

USC has a big one against UCLA tonight. They will also have opportunities in the conference tournament.

Again, assuming MU loses to Depaul on Wednesday (which means a Xavier win tonight...and why I included X).

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