MUScoop

Biggest game of the year Saturday.

I would hope not since it's a sell out. (Few singles left)

Meh.

Ain't no trap

They know they gotta win and that Markus may not be around

DePaul gave Seaton  Hall  a scare last night.  You cannot look past DePaul. They are fast and rebound well. 

I don't think DePaul is sneaking up on anybody this year.

There is not a single trap game in the BE. Every game is a battle.

This game seems like one where Jayce will struggle vs Reed or Butz playing. That's really my biggest concern.

DePaul can look really good at times, like last night, then Moore turns it over about 10 times, then they are bad.  Very athletic, have to jump on them right away as they
seem to melt as the game goes on.  Not worried about Butz but Reed can be a load.  Need Howard otherwise it will be a real challenge.  There do for a victory sooner
then later.

Huge game. Team is home for almost two weeks now with only 2 games to play in that span. Good chance to recover from injuries and get the legs back. It would be a very long 8 days if MU loses on Saturday.

time to toughen up.   

Cheekyu may have 200 reasons to back DePaul.

Trap game for me. This will allow Cheeks to get back in the betting

Let's set some low expectations so we can justify a potential loss at home to DePaul.

Give me a break.  No such thing as a trap game in Big East.

Don't think it's a trap game. It's a tough game coming off a 2OT road game and playing 2.5 days later. We don't play for 8 days after DePaul. Not a trap game, nothing to look ahead to.

If we don't play we'll we can absolutely lose, as Butler, Iowa, Minnesota and TTU found out. DePaul isn't a great matchup for us but it's a game we need to win assuming Markus is playing.

Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 30, 2020, 10:42:00 AM
Meh.

Ain't no trap

They know they gotta win and that Markus may not be around

Yep,  Elementary 

Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 30, 2020, 11:48:11 AM
Let's set some low expectations so we can justify a potential loss at home to DePaul.

Give me a break.  No such thing as a trap game in Big East.

+1 a Scoop requirement it seems. lower expectations so when a loss happens, they can fling excuses left and right. In this instance the #1 thing would be playing without Markus(if that happens). never mind, it's at home, never mind DePaul has 1 win in the Big East. Nevermind MU is a better basketball team. Just ignore all those things and make an excuse(or reason if some want to play it that way) for losing a home game to DuHPaul. They already lost to PC at home. Their losing to crap teams at home has already gone beyond the quota.

Quote from: muguru on January 30, 2020, 12:06:59 PM
+1 a Scoop requirement it seems. lower expectations so when a loss happens, they can fling excuses left and right. In this instance the #1 thing would be playing without Markus(if that happens). never mind, it's at home, never mind DePaul has 1 win in the Big East. Nevermind MU is a better basketball team. Just ignore all those things and make an excuse(or reason if some want to play it that way) for losing a home game to DuHPaul. They already lost to PC at home. Their losing to crap teams at home has already gone beyond the quota.

Depaul that has beaten Iowa, Texas Tech and Butler. They're definitely not good, we're definitely better but if there was ever a year (since Chandler was suiting up) to go into this game having respect and caution for Depaul this is it.

Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 30, 2020, 12:15:35 PM
Depaul that has beaten Iowa, Texas Tech and Butler. They're definitely not good, we're definitely better but if there was ever a year (since Chandler was suiting up) to go into this game having respect and caution for Depaul this is it.

Listen, two of those 3 were non conference..and when people were tweeting all this love for DePaul, I tweeted back and told them all, slow your roll, when they get into BE play where teams are familiar with them, they will become DePaul again...a leopard doesn't change it's spots.

Quote from: muguru on January 30, 2020, 12:06:59 PM
+1 a Scoop requirement it seems. lower expectations so when a loss happens, they can fling excuses left and right.

Guru ... there are 17 posts in this thread. Sixteen of them say it's not a trap game.
Hardly seems like a Scoop requirement.

Quote from: muguru on January 30, 2020, 12:17:33 PM
Listen, two of those 3 were non conference..and when people were tweeting all this love for DePaul, I tweeted back and told them all, slow your roll, when they get into BE play where teams are familiar with them, they will become DePaul again...a leopard doesn't change it's spots.

Did you only read the first sentence of my response? Again if there was ever a year to respect and show caution it's this. Didn't say they were on track for a bid

Quote from: muguru on January 30, 2020, 12:06:59 PM
+1 a Scoop requirement it seems. lower expectations so when a loss happens, they can fling excuses left and right. In this instance the #1 thing would be playing without Markus(if that happens). never mind, it's at home, never mind DePaul has 1 win in the Big East. Nevermind MU is a better basketball team. Just ignore all those things and make an excuse(or reason if some want to play it that way) for losing a home game to DuHPaul. They already lost to PC at home. Their losing to crap teams at home has already gone beyond the quota.

Happy Birthday, back to observing.

Quote from: muguru on January 30, 2020, 12:06:59 PM
+1 a Scoop requirement it seems. lower expectations so when a loss happens, they can fling excuses left and right. In this instance the #1 thing would be playing without Markus(if that happens). never mind, it's at home, never mind DePaul has 1 win in the Big East. Nevermind MU is a better basketball team. Just ignore all those things and make an excuse(or reason if some want to play it that way) for losing a home game to DuHPaul. They already lost to PC at home. Their losing to crap teams at home has already gone beyond the quota.

Has it ever occurred to you that people are just calling it like they see it.???

Do you really think Marquette may not have a let down after that X game???

Do you really think people pointing to Markus being injured are making excuses???

The more likely truth, is  that you're attempting to dismiss legitimate reasons a loss might not be so startling so you can rant about how bad it was and how bad Wojo is.

You're actions are transparent and a little pathetic.

https://twitter.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1222953759585841153

I would pay for a ticket to see Lazar and Jae play a 1 on 1 game at half time

Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on January 30, 2020, 12:26:45 PM
Has it ever occurred to you that people are just calling it like they see it.???

Do you really think Marquette may not have a let down after that X game???

Do you really think people pointing to Markus being injured are making excuses???

The more likely truth, is  that you're attempting to dismiss legitimate reasons a loss might not be so startling so you can rant about how bad it was and how bad Wojo is.

You're actions are transparent and a little pathetic.

I would argue that DePaul would have a let down after losing a solid halftime lead to Seton Hall. At some point you learn you are not going to actually win games.
Both MU and DePaul are coming off road games. One won and one lost. There is a big difference in team confidence after those games.

Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on January 30, 2020, 12:26:45 PM
Has it ever occurred to you that people are just calling it like they see it.???

Do you really think Marquette may not have a let down after that X game???

Do you really think people pointing to Markus being injured are making excuses???

The more likely truth, is  that you're attempting to dismiss legitimate reasons a loss might not be so startling so you can rant about how bad it was and how bad Wojo is.

You're actions are transparent and a little pathetic.

You're on a roll today..calling out in others what you are yourself.

As for the other content in this post - If you, or the original poster were actually legitimately confident in Wojo's ability as a coach, this kind of thinking would never enter into the equation.

It is Year 6.  Home game.  Playing the last place team in Big East.  Next year we'll have to play without Markus and Sacar.  Trajectory is pointing up, right?  Why in God's name shouldn't we be ready to play Saturday, and expect to win - if not for insecurity in our coach?

Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 30, 2020, 02:33:40 PM
You're on a roll today..calling out in others what you are yourself.

As for the other content in this post - If you, or the original poster were actually legitimately confident in Wojo's ability as a coach, this kind of thinking would never enter into the equation.

It is Year 6.  Home game.  Playing the last place team in Big East.  Next year we'll have to play without Markus and Sacar.  Trajectory is pointing up, right?  Why in God's name shouldn't we be ready to play Saturday, and expect to win - if not for insecurity in our coach?

If by saying I'm "on a roll" you mean I'm steamrolling over the weak attempts at minimizing the X win and the set ups to exaggerate a potential DePaul loss, then yes.....I am on a roll.

Concerns for this game would be 1. Rebounding 2. Assuming Markus plays, DePaul really has nobody for him to guard except Moore and I think Moore could roast him quite a bit. 3. Brendan is going to get pushed around by Reed or Butz but our 4 out offense will force at least one of them to guard the perimeter so that's less of a concern.

Quote from: Daniel on January 30, 2020, 10:45:27 AM
DePaul gave Seaton  Hall  a scare last night.  You cannot look past DePaul. They are fast and rebound well.

DePaul will give MU fits much like Providence did.  In fact, DePaul might be higher energy on defense.  The problem with them is that they make a lot of errors on offense.   If DePaul actually had a sound, offense - they'd be top 3 in the conference, maybe even #1.

My concern with DePaul game is limiting our turnovers and transition D. We do not fare well against that are aggressive on offensive side of the ball. Truth be told, I think DePaul is better team than 3-5 teams in BE overall, not just a given night. Now, it is a game that should be won by MU, especially at home.

Quote from: Goose on January 30, 2020, 05:17:47 PM
My concern with DePaul game is limiting our turnovers and transition D. We do not fare well against that are aggressive on offensive side of the ball. Truth be told, I think DePaul is better team than 3-5 teams in BE overall, not just a given night. Now, it is a game that should be won by MU, especially at home.

My guess is we win a close game at home. Not a cake walk by any means. I think DePaul then wins at home.

Quote from: Goose on January 30, 2020, 05:17:47 PM
My concern with DePaul game is limiting our turnovers and transition D. We do not fare well against that are aggressive on offensive side of the ball. Truth be told, I think DePaul is better team than 3-5 teams in BE overall, not just a given night. Now, it is a game that should be won by MU, especially at home.

I don't understand why it's a game Marquette "should" win.

The team is coming off back to back overtime games, the last being double overtime.

The teams leading scorer is injured and will be limited if he plays at all.

The team is short on depth with Eds departure and Gregs availability doubtful.

DePaul has shown it has some talent, competing very well @ Seton Hall.

Could Marquette win?? Sure.

Should Marquette win?? I'm not so sure.

Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on January 30, 2020, 05:46:53 PM
Should Marquette win?? I'm not so sure.

Yes, Marquette should win. Especially if Markus plays.
Why? Because Marquette is the better team playing at home.

Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on January 30, 2020, 05:46:53 PM
I don't understand why it's a game Marquette "should" win.

The team is coming off back to back overtime games, the last being double overtime.

The teams leading scorer is injured and will be limited if he plays at all.

The team is short on depth with Eds departure and Gregs availability doubtful.

DePaul has shown it has some talent, competing very well @ Seton Hall.

Could Marquette win?? Sure.

Should Marquette win?? I'm not so sure.

Seems reasonable to me.

Quote from: Pakuni on January 30, 2020, 05:52:33 PM
Yes, Marquette should win. Especially if Markus plays.
Why? Because Marquette is the better team playing at home.

At full strength, I would agree, and it would still be tough.

Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on January 30, 2020, 06:16:09 PM
At full strength, I would agree, and it would still be tough.

There's a lot of insight here.....

Again,  this is a must win game IF they are going to be an above average team in the Big East with a winning record.  Need to win the winnable games at home when you are the better, more experienced team with designs on doing damage in the tournament. It may be ugly but MU will hopefully win a close game and get a well deserved break.

Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on January 30, 2020, 05:46:53 PM
Should Marquette win?? I'm not so sure.

This is either the easiest or second easiest game left on Marquette's schedule. If you are not sure if we should win this game, then you don't have a very high opinion of this team.

Quote from: Shooter McGavin on January 30, 2020, 06:27:05 PM
Again,  this is a must win game IF they are going to be an above average team in the Big East with a winning record.  Need to win the winnable games at home when you are the better, more experienced team with designs on doing damage in the tournament. It may be ugly but MU will hopefully win a close game and get a well deserved break.

If you honestly think this really is a must win game, then it may be time to burn Akanno's redshirt. I highly doubt Markus or Greg will play, and if they do I don't expect them to be very effective. Gardner isn't going to be the difference, so the only X factor is Akanno. I've seen some video of him and he seems stout with decent skills. If you really think this is a critical game for the program, it may be time to break the glass.

I'm not sure why this would be a trap game. We have a full week off after. The team will definitely be focused on this game and no other. Now if we played this and had Butler coming in Tuesday, maybe, but not with so much time in between.

Quote from: TAMU Garcia on January 30, 2020, 06:41:40 PM
This is either the easiest or second easiest game left on Marquette's schedule. If you are not sure if we should win this game, then you don't have a very high opinion of this team.

With the current state of the team, I disagree.  Given time, Markus and Greg will be back to full strength, and the rest of the guys should be better rested as well. This game just comes at a bad time. It says nothing about my opinion of this team when they're fresh and healthy.

WhoaJoe
It is a game they should win, end of story.

Only game of the season where you're completely "fresh and healthy" is the first one.  Every team in the country is dealing with some sort of injury based limitation.  We're the better team, and we're playing at home.  This is a game that we should win.

If Markus and Greg both sit, it may be a trap game.  If either play, it should be ok.

If we dont beat Depaul, it is Wojo's fault.

Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on January 30, 2020, 06:42:31 PM
If you honestly think this really is a must win game, then it may be time to burn Akanno's redshirt. I highly doubt Markus or Greg will play, and if they do I don't expect them to be very effective. Gardner isn't going to be the difference, so the only X factor is Akanno. I've seen some video of him and he seems stout with decent skills. If you really think this is a critical game for the program, it may be time to break the glass.

Not must win where we pack up, go home and call off the rest of the season if we lose.  But must win if we plan on having a successful Big East season and a good tournament seed.  I don't see many easier games on the schedule.  Can't lose too many "Providence" like games at home and be considered an upper echelon team.

I will recalibrate my expectations if we start losing home games of this level.

Quote from: Shooter McGavin on January 30, 2020, 07:19:22 PM
Not must win where we pack up, go home and call off the rest of the season if we lose.  But must win if we plan on having a successful Big East season and a good tournament seed.  I don't see many easier games on the schedule.  Can't lose too many "Providence" like games at home and be considered an upper echelon team.

I will recalibrate my expectations if we start losing home games of this level.

I'd suggest not inferring too much from a loss in this case. The team is beat up and tired after the last two games. They get a week off after the DePaul game.

I think it would be a much bigger deal if Marquette wins under the circumstances.

I have to say, some of my opinion regarding the must win nature of this game is I have a low opinion of DePaul basketball and absolutely abhor losing to them. 

Quote from: Goose on January 30, 2020, 06:53:57 PM
WhoaJoe
It is a game they should win, end of story.

Are you the Pharaoh of scoop??

I watched DePaul match up against SH on the road every bit as good as Marquette did when the team was near full strength.

Marquette could win, end of story.

Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on January 30, 2020, 04:48:20 PM
If by saying I'm "on a roll" you mean I'm steamrolling over the weak attempts at minimizing the X win and the set ups to exaggerate a potential DePaul loss, then yes.....I am on a roll.

You are a legend in your own mind.  Thoroughly enjoy reading your content WhoaJoe.

Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on January 30, 2020, 07:35:42 PM
I'd suggest not inferring too much from a loss in this case. The team is beat up and tired after the last two games. They get a week off after the DePaul game.

I think it would be a much bigger deal if Marquette wins under the circumstances.

Welcome to the big leagues Whoa.  Injuries are part of the game.  Losing Sam, Joey, and Ed?  Part of roster management failure.  While Greg Elliott fills a role, he is not a difference-maker.  Buzz coached a team with 7 scholarship players, two of whom were under 5'10",  to a 6 seed.  Yet here you are wanting to suggest it would be an upset for us to win on our home floor against DePaul?  C'Mon man.

Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on January 30, 2020, 06:42:31 PM
If you honestly think this really is a must win game, then it may be time to burn Akanno's redshirt. I highly doubt Markus or Greg will play, and if they do I don't expect them to be very effective. Gardner isn't going to be the difference, so the only X factor is Akanno. I've seen some video of him and he seems stout with decent skills. If you really think this is a critical game for the program, it may be time to break the glass.

Facepalm.

Quote from: lawdog77 on January 30, 2020, 07:10:34 PM
If we dont beat Depaul, it is Wojo's fault.

Well that was never in doubt.

Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on January 30, 2020, 07:47:58 PM
Are you the Pharaoh of scoop??

I watched DePaul match up against SH on the road every bit as good as Marquette did when the team was near full strength.

Marquette could win, end of story.

If MH is playing this is a game Marquette absolutely should win. To think otherwise is silly.

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 30, 2020, 07:54:22 PM
If MH is playing this is a game Marquette absolutely should win. To think otherwise is silly.

That's a mighty big if, and there is no telling how the injury will affect him.
A healthy Markus is a different animal than a beat up Markus.

Exhibit A:  The end of last season.

Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 30, 2020, 07:50:45 PM
You are a legend in your own mind.  Thoroughly enjoy reading your content WhoaJoe.

Welcome to the big leagues Whoa.  Injuries are part of the game.  Losing Sam, Joey, and Ed?  Part of roster management failure.  While Greg Elliott fills a role, he is not a difference-maker.  Buzz coached a team with 7 scholarship players, two of whom were under 5'10",  to a 6 seed.  Yet here you are wanting to suggest it would be an upset for us to win on our home floor against DePaul?  C'Mon man.

Facepalm.

In regard to your first comment......
You do realize I was T rolling you, right??

In regard to your second comment......
You do realize I was responding to a poster who was freaking out a little about a potential loss to DePaul, like you do about every loss, right??

In regard to your third comment......
Your palm is now stuck to your face, right??

Quote from: Goose on January 30, 2020, 06:53:57 PM
WhoaJoe
It is a game they should win, end of story.

If should win, means favorite to win by the point spread, I agree.

Quote from: TAMU Garcia on January 30, 2020, 06:41:40 PM
This is either the easiest or second easiest game left on Marquette's schedule. If you are not sure if we should win this game, then you don't have a very high opinion of this team.

I think I would add the word "Caution"  Easiest or 2nd easiest might be indicating Disrespect for your opponent and to me that's the essence of a trap. 

Quote from: TAMU Garcia on January 30, 2020, 06:41:40 PM
This is either the easiest or second easiest game left on Marquette's schedule. If you are not sure if we should win this game, then you don't have a very high opinion of this team.

On paper, we should win this game but guess what  sh!t happens. That's why the game is played. Losing doesn't always mean the coach sucks or the players suck it just means you caught the team on the wrong day.

I have never heard a coach or player ever leading into a game say "we should win this". There are three variants for games:
1.  This is a big conference game, we need to go out and play our game because we need to beat this team to win the conference. We need to focus, play clean ball, make the extra pass and get the best shot. We can't play their game.  If we play our game, we will win. The important part of it is focusing on the things that need to be done not the "we should win"
2.  People are disrespecting us. They think we should lose this game. Us against the world.
3.  This is a big game,  Rival is our biggest comp for the title. We need to beat them to be at the top.

Players don't think about games as should wins. They think I need the dagger so this game is over before it starts.

Quote from: Loose Cannon on January 30, 2020, 08:28:35 PM
I think I would add the word "Caution"  Easiest or 2nd easiest might be indicating Disrespect for your opponent and to me that's the essence of a trap.

The only reason I don't think it's a trap game, is because I'm sure Wojo and the players don't think they "should" win.

Nothing is given.

Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on January 30, 2020, 08:12:56 PM
In regard to your first comment......
You do realize I was T rolling you, right??

In regard to your second comment......
You do realize I was responding to a poster who was freaking out a little about a potential loss to DePaul, like you do about every loss, right??

In regard to your third comment......
Your palm is now stuck to your face, right??

You?  Trolling?  Nah.  But, that's a nice way to try to rationalize your standard douchery.

Actually, I don't freak out about losses - feel free to go back through my posts and re-post me "freaking out about a loss."  Side note - You also won't find me being critical of our players.
I'm sorry you feel our 40+ year old head coach making $2M isn't a fair target for occasional criticism. 

Last question:  Are you Mrs. Wojo? 

Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 30, 2020, 09:27:16 PM
You?  Trolling?  Nah.  But, that's a nice way to try to rationalize your standard douchery.

Actually, I don't freak out about losses - feel free to go back through my posts and re-post me "freaking out about a loss."  Side note - You also won't find me being critical of our players.
I'm sorry you feel our 40+ year old head coach making $2M isn't a fair target for occasional criticism. 

Last question:  Are you Mrs. Wojo?

Your beginning to crack

Unstick your palm from your face and get grip on yourself.

Quote from: muguru on January 30, 2020, 12:06:59 PM
+1 a Scoop requirement it seems. lower expectations so when a loss happens, they can fling excuses left and right. In this instance the #1 thing would be playing without Markus(if that happens). never mind, it's at home, never mind DePaul has 1 win in the Big East. Nevermind MU is a better basketball team. Just ignore all those things and make an excuse(or reason if some want to play it that way) for losing a home game to DuHPaul. They already lost to PC at home. Their losing to crap teams at home has already gone beyond the quota.

How did the great Chris Beard manage to lose to this terrible team?

Let's get this straight

If marquette loses to DePaul on Saturday it will be their worst lose of the season, regardless of excuses.

Quote from: #UnleashJayce on January 31, 2020, 09:57:22 AM
Let's get this straight

If marquette loses to DePaul on Saturday it will be their worst lose of the season, regardless of excuses.

Agree.  Sold out home game, Year 6, we have an experienced roster.  Solidly in NCAA at present, and can continue to elevate our seed.

Hopefully Markus is good to go, but if not, we need to find a way to win, just as we did at X.

Members of the 1970 NIT championship team will be introduced during the first half of Saturday's game. "Goose" Brell and company will be taking a bow on the court to mark the 50th anniversary of their championship.

Go Warriors!

Quote from: warriorjoe on January 31, 2020, 10:38:53 AM
Members of the 1970 NIT championship team will be introduced during the first half of Saturday's game. "Goose" Brell and company will be taking a bow on the court to mark the 50th anniversary of their championship.

Go Warriors!

Will switchblades be checked at security?

I fully expect us to beat DePaul, and will be disappointed if we don't.

Having said that ...

Texas Tech fully expected to beat them, too. Fire Beard! Nova and Seton Hall fans probably expected to beat them easily.

Kentucky fully expected to beat Evansville at home in front of a sellout crowd. Duke fully expected to beat SF Austin at home in front of a sellout crowd. Fire Cal! Fire K!

Some Scoopers don't watch much college basketball, apparently, because they think only Marquette should be immune from an occasional loss to a lesser team.

To acknowledge that stuff happens - as disappointing as it might be - especially if the No. 1 scorer in the nation doesn't play, is not the same as making a "pre-excuse." It's just a fact.

We Are Marquette!

82

Why do you have to add the mocking in many of your posts?  I think noting Shaka, Beard and others has been well noted by you. Come on, man. You are better than that!!

Quote from: warriorjoe on January 31, 2020, 10:38:53 AM
Members of the 1970 NIT championship team will be introduced during the first half of Saturday's game. "Goose" Brell and company will be taking a bow on the court to mark the 50th anniversary of their championship.

Go Warriors!

During the McGuire era the players before the start of the game would shake the opposing team's coaches hands. If I remember it correctly, Digger Phelps (Notre Dame's head coach) put a packet of mustard in Gary Brell's hand, because he considered him a hotdog.

Johnny Dee

Johnny Dee is the correct answer. Digger did not begin coaching the Whining Irish until the 1971-72 season.

When I interviewed "Goose" for the Centennial Edition of "You Can Call Me Al: The Colorful Journey of College Basketball's Original Flower Child, Al McGuire," he told me that Notre Dame's Johnny Dee put the mustard packet in his hand because he thought that Brell turning his back to the flag during the National Anthem was a hot dog move.

Goose said he would continue to turn his back to the flag during the anthem until the U.S. left Vietnam. Reporters asked Al's response. Al admitted that while he and Goose did not see eye to eye on the war, Al stated that "It occurred to me that Gary could be right and I could be wrong." Gary's stance was not something that Al spent a lot of time worrying about.

Go Warriors!

P.S. It would be great if the NCAA let MU break out the "bumblebee" uniforms for tomorrow's game.

Go Warriors!

Quote from: #UnleashJayce on January 31, 2020, 09:57:22 AM
Let's get this straight

If marquette loses to DePaul on Saturday it will be their worst lose of the season, regardless of excuses.

If Markus is out it will not be worse than the PC loss where we were at full strength.

I do agree we need to find a way to win without Markus.

Quote from: MU82 on January 31, 2020, 10:54:08 AM
I fully expect us to beat DePaul, and will be disappointed if we don't.

Having said that ...

Texas Tech fully expected to beat them, too. Fire Beard! Nova and Seton Hall fans probably expected to beat them easily.

Kentucky fully expected to beat Evansville at home in front of a sellout crowd. Duke fully expected to beat SF Austin at home in front of a sellout crowd. Fire Cal! Fire K!

Some Scoopers don't watch much college basketball, apparently, because they think only Marquette should be immune from an occasional loss to a lesser team.

To acknowledge that stuff happens - as disappointing as it might be - especially if the No. 1 scorer in the nation doesn't play, is not the same as making a "pre-excuse." It's just a fact.

We Are Marquette!

Because 90% of this board has turned into a Projo vs. Nojo debate, it's easy to see why these preemptive kinds posts are seem as an attempt to get out in front of potential criticism. It's bizarre to me to see the level of planned confirmation bias on Scoop this season.

And for the love of all things holy, can we please stop comparing Wojo to proven HOF coaches? Coach K has very obviously earned himself a little slack over the years. We know that an upset at Cameron is a fluke based on a very large body of work. Wojo's (or any younger, newer coach) body of work isn't anywhere near as large or as accomplished and needs to earn some more goodwill before upsets can be seen as just a fluke. Skepticism of the quality/sustainability of those with shorter track records is a common thing in all walks of life but sports especially.

Quote from: skianth16 on January 31, 2020, 12:40:03 PM
Because 90% of this board has turned into a Projo vs. Nojo debate, it's easy to see why these preemptive kinds posts are seem as an attempt to get out in front of potential criticism. It's bizarre to me to see the level of planned confirmation bias on Scoop this season.

And for the love of all things holy, can we please stop comparing Wojo to proven HOF coaches? Coach K has very obviously earned himself a little slack over the years. We know that an upset at Cameron is a fluke based on a very large body of work. Wojo's (or any younger, newer coach) body of work isn't anywhere near as large or as accomplished and needs to earn some more goodwill before upsets can be seen as just a fluke. Skepticism of the quality/sustainability of those with shorter track records is a common thing in all walks of life but sports especially.

ROTFLMFAO

Do you really not see the irony in your post????

Either you're completely clueless about what you're doing or you think others are.

I'm betting on the former.

Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on January 31, 2020, 12:47:32 PM
ROTFLMFAO

Do you really not see the irony in your post????

Either you're completely clueless about what you're doing or you think others are.

I'm betting on the former.

Serious question:  How old are you?

Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 31, 2020, 01:11:35 PM
Serious question:  How old are you?

If you didn't think that post was ironically hilarious at any age, you have no sense of humor.

Quote from: skianth16 on January 31, 2020, 12:40:03 PM
Because 90% of this board has turned into a Projo vs. Nojo debate, it's easy to see why these preemptive kinds posts are seem as an attempt to get out in front of potential criticism. It's bizarre to me to see the level of planned confirmation bias on Scoop this season.

And for the love of all things holy, can we please stop comparing Wojo to proven HOF coaches? Coach K has very obviously earned himself a little slack over the years. We know that an upset at Cameron is a fluke based on a very large body of work. Wojo's (or any younger, newer coach) body of work isn't anywhere near as large or as accomplished and needs to earn some more goodwill before upsets can be seen as just a fluke. Skepticism of the quality/sustainability of those with shorter track records is a common thing in all walks of life but sports especially.

OK ... drop the K and Cal references. The Great Chris Beard - not quite in the HoF yet, but properly canonized - lost to DePaul this season (though in Chicago).

The point is simply that us wanting a win, and thinking we should win, doesn't mean a heck of a lot. Stuff happens, and folks here losing their shyte due to one loss even predates Wojo. I remember the Green Bay game, the Vanderbilt slaughter, etc, etc.

Now when you say "Vanderbilt slaughter", I can only assume that you're referencing the first game of the 2016-17 where we won by 24 points, because I have no memory of ever playing Vanderbilt other than that game.

Quote from: Its DJOver on January 31, 2020, 02:15:42 PM
Now when you say "Vanderbilt slaughter", I can only assume that you're referencing the first game of the 2016-17 where we won by 24 points, because I have no memory of ever playing Vanderbilt other than that game.

we got absolutely destroyed by them when Buzz was here. too lazy to look it up but it was ugly.

Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on January 31, 2020, 02:23:33 PM
we got absolutely destroyed by them when Buzz was here. too lazy to look it up but it was ugly.

Didn't think teal was necessary, I had blocked that game out of my mind.

Quote from: Its DJOver on January 31, 2020, 02:15:42 PM
Now when you say "Vanderbilt slaughter", I can only assume that you're referencing the first game of the 2016-17 where we won by 24 points, because I have no memory of ever playing Vanderbilt other than that game.

Dec. 29, 2011 ... Bradley Center ... Vanderbilt 74, Marquette 57 ... and it wasn't that close.

I remember it well because I lost a bet to a Vandy friend of mine. We promptly lost 2 of our first 3 BEast games, and the world was ending.

The following season, we lost to Florida by approximately 8,443 points. A few weeks later came the 49-47 loss to Green Bay and our program was doomed, Lockett was the worst, Junior sucked, Vander would never be any good, Jamil was a waste, etc, etc, etc.

Unimpressive home wins vs LSU and NC Central followed, and we were gonna have a terrible BEast season. Then Junior hit one of the 5 biggest shots of the Buzz Era to send us into OT vs UConn; we won that game and were on our way to the BEast title.

Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on January 31, 2020, 02:23:33 PM
we got absolutely destroyed by them when Buzz was here. too lazy to look it up but it was ugly.

I'm guessing DJOver was being sarcastic, but that was a terrible game. We lost a one-possession game at Vandy the year before and I remember really looking forward to getting revenge for it. Then we got absolutely destroyed at home. That was one of the most lackluster home performances I ever remember. Up there with the Ohio State, Purdue, and Iowa games.

Quote from: Its DJOver on January 31, 2020, 02:25:02 PM
Didn't think teal was necessary, I had blocked that game out of my mind.

I missed the sarcasm...apologies for bringing it up.

Quote from: MU82 on January 31, 2020, 02:27:36 PM
Dec. 29, 2011 ... Bradley Center ... Vanderbilt 74, Marquette 57 ... and it wasn't that close.

I remember it well because I lost a bet to a Vandy friend of mine. We promptly lost 2 of our first 3 BEast games, and the world was ending.

The following season, we lost to Florida by approximately 8,443 points. A few weeks later came the 49-47 loss to Green Bay and our program was doomed, Lockett was the worst, Junior sucked, Vander would never be any good, Jamil was a waste, etc, etc, etc.

Unimpressive home wins vs LSU and NC Central followed, and we were gonna have a terrible BEast season. Then Junior hit one of the 5 biggest shots of the Buzz Era to send us into OT vs UConn; we won that game and were on our way to the BEast title.

Or we could just remember the game where Markus and Rowsey combined for 0 points on 0-5 shooting, we only attempted 5 fts compared to Vandy's 26 (not that they mattered), and we still won by 24 and almost put up a century mark.  Matt with an impressive 4 fouls in 3 minutes of action too.

Quote from: #UnleashJayce on January 31, 2020, 09:57:22 AM
Let's get this straight

If marquette loses to DePaul on Saturday it will be their worst lose of the season, regardless of excuses.

Not sure. Definitely in bottom three of possible losses. Providence may be worse especially if Markus is out vs DePaul. Georgetown at home would be pretty bad too.

Let's just win so we don't have to debate it!

Quote from: TAMU Garcia on January 31, 2020, 03:34:01 PM
Not sure. Definitely in bottom three of possible losses. Providence may be worse especially if Markus is out vs DePaul. Georgetown at home would be pretty bad too.

Let's just win so we don't have to debate it!

Exactly.

It definitely would be a bad loss. Thank goodness, we're gonna win.

Miami of Ohio. Now that was a game we should have won.

Quote from: MU82 on January 31, 2020, 02:03:50 PM
OK ... drop the K and Cal references. The Great Chris Beard - not quite in the HoF yet, but properly canonized - lost to DePaul this season (though in Chicago).

The point is simply that us wanting a win, and thinking we should win, doesn't mean a heck of a lot. Stuff happens, and folks here losing their shyte due to one loss even predates Wojo. I remember the Green Bay game, the Vanderbilt slaughter, etc, etc.

I agree with the premise completely. No single game defines how good or bad a coach is; any reasonable person knows that. I do think it's perfectly fine for one game to be noted as a prime example of why a coach is viewed as good or bad, though.

Quote from: skianth16 on January 31, 2020, 04:01:49 PM
I agree with the premise completely. No single game defines how good or bad a coach is; any reasonable person knows that. I do think it's perfectly fine for one game to be noted as a prime example of why a coach is viewed as good or bad, though.

Duly noted. Have a good one. Go Marquette!

An obvious prowojo'er trying to lower expectations to preemptively defend what would a horrible, inexcusable loss is obvious. It's also ineffective.

Quote from: NickelDimer on January 31, 2020, 04:14:55 PM
An obvious prowojo'er trying to lower expectations to preemptively defend what would a horrible, inexcusable loss is obvious. It's also ineffective.

There are no bad losses for a Pro Wojo fanatic.  There's only the hope that "The Team and Wojo will learn from its mistakes"

A 15-6, 5-4 Marquette team fresh off a dramatic 2OT win @ X, and missing its star player, playing at home against a 13-8, 1-7 DePaul team fresh off a close loss @ SH.

Turn Right At Providence, no worries.

Quote from: NickelDimer on January 31, 2020, 04:14:55 PM
An obvious prowojo'er trying to lower expectations to preemptively defend what would a horrible, inexcusable loss is obvious. It's also ineffective.

I'll bet you're wearing a bib and a drool bucket, the way you seem to be salivating over what you know to be a very possible loss for Marquette under the circumstances.

Don't cut yourself sharpening your knives. Your drooling could make them very slippery.

You should feel good though, MDDG is wearing his bib and drool bucket in a show of solidarity.

So there's that.......

UNC is 4-7 without Cole Anthony, who is supposed to return for the next game.

Valid reason for at least some of those losses? Or has Roy become the second-worst coach in college basketball?

Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on January 31, 2020, 04:50:05 PM
I'll bet you're wearing a bib and a drool bucket, the way you seem to be salivating over what you know to be a very possible loss for Marquette under the circumstances.

Don't cut yourself sharpening your knives. Your drooling could make them very slippery.

You should feel good though, MDDG is wearing his bib and drool bucket in a show of solidarity.

So there's that.......

My presentation was spot on and you couldn't resist. Hooked, caught and released. You're not picture worthy, though.

So there's (not) that...

Quote from: NickelDimer on January 31, 2020, 05:03:26 PM
My presentation was spot on and you couldn't resist. Hooked, caught and released. You're not picture worthy, though.

So there's (not) that...

You would be more believable if my description of you wasn't spot on.

The historical record shows who
And what you are.

Good to read your post about your concern for Markus though.

Quote from: MU82 on January 31, 2020, 04:55:09 PM
UNC is 4-7 without Cole Anthony, who is supposed to return for the next game.

Valid reason for at least some of those losses? Or has Roy become the second-worst coach in college basketball?

Lost 3/4 before he went out, I just don't think they're very good with or without him.

This thread...

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Quote from: #UnleashJayce on January 31, 2020, 09:57:22 AM
Let's get this straight

If marquette loses to DePaul on Saturday it will be their worst lose of the season, regardless of excuses.

Unequivocally, yes...NO EXCUSES for losing this game...with or without Markus. They are at home, they are better(even without Markus), and if they lose this game, there are FAR bigger problems with this team then anyone imagined. As someone above said, they already lost to a crap team(Providence) at home. That can't happen again.

Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on January 31, 2020, 04:33:57 PM
A 15-6, 5-4 Marquette team fresh off a dramatic 2OT win @ X, and missing its star player, playing at home against a 13-8, 1-7 DePaul team fresh off a close loss @ SH.

Turn Right At Providence, no worries.

FYI, MU is a 7.5 point favorite tomm, and that is with Markus listed as questionable. Nuff said.

Quote from: muguru on January 31, 2020, 07:00:29 PM
Unequivocally, yes...NO EXCUSES for losing this game...with or without Markus. They are at home, they are better(even without Markus), and if they lose this game, there are FAR bigger problems with this team then anyone imagined. As someone above said, they already lost to a crap team(Providence) at home. That can't happen again.

What do you think of coaches who lose to DePaul?

Quote from: muguru on January 31, 2020, 07:10:06 PM
FYI, MU is a 7.5 point favorite tomm, and that is with Markus listed as questionable. Nuff said.

They must think questionable means he's playing.

I hope they're right and it's nothing serious.

By the way........

You do realize that the -7.5 line is just another reason why it could be considered a trap game right?????

Quote from: muguru on January 31, 2020, 07:00:29 PM
That can't happen again.

OR ELSE!!!!!

Quote from: muguru on January 31, 2020, 07:10:06 PM
FYI, MU is a 7.5 point favorite tomm, and that is with Markus listed as questionable. Nuff said.

That line will drop quite a bit if he's out

Quote from: muguru on January 31, 2020, 07:10:06 PM
FYI, MU is a 7.5 point favorite tomm, and that is with Markus listed as questionable. Nuff said.

Can we talk about how you've said you don't care what Vegas or Kenpom says whenever it's leaning against MU but if it's pro MU you site it as a source and rational to get all amped about why we should win?

Quote from: Pakuni on January 31, 2020, 07:28:42 PM
What do you think of coaches who lose to DePaul?

He thinks Chris Beard should be fired, shot, hanged, and shot again.

Duh.

Quote from: MU82 on January 31, 2020, 11:24:08 PM
He thinks Chris Beard should be fired, shot, hanged, and shot again.

Duh.

I never said anything like this, I have not mentioned Chris Beard one damn time. I know as a journalist this is an incredibly difficult thing for you to do(it's ingrained in your profession) STOP YOUR DAMN LYING.

Quote from: Pakuni on January 31, 2020, 07:28:42 PM
What do you think of coaches who lose to DePaul?

Listen, non conference is a whole different animal..when DePaul was winning games in non con, TONS of people on twitter were falling all over them, and raving about them, wanting them ranked, claiming they were back etc. I tweeted at each one of them and said to NOT be fooled by them and that once they got to BE play, where opponents know them, it will be a different story and that they will prove to be the same old Depaul...well?? A leopard doesn't change their spots.

Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 31, 2020, 11:01:11 PM
Can we talk about how you've said you don't care what Vegas or Kenpom says whenever it's leaning against MU but if it's pro MU you site it as a source and rational to get all amped about why we should win?

I simply pointed it out as another reference to him as to why he's talking foolish about MU possibly losing this game etc. I'm trying to make him see reality in regards to this game.

Anyone that doesn't EXPECT MU to win this game at home against the worst team in the BE has some awfully damn low impressions of this team, and they should be ashamed of themselves, especially after they just beat Xavier on the road without Markus for a vast majority of it. That being said, do I think they are some juggernaut?? 100% no, but they are definitely good enough with or without Markus at home to beat a 1-7 DePaul team, that hasn't won on the road in the BE yet and have lost to SJU twice this year...just think about that.

It's not having "low expections" by acknowledging DePaul has a very capable team this year.  Your anti-DePaul and anti-Wisconsin paranoia gets the best of you.

Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 31, 2020, 11:01:11 PM
Can we talk about how you've said you don't care what Vegas or Kenpom says whenever it's leaning against MU but if it's pro MU you site it as a source and rational to get all amped about why we should win?

I think it's because some people believe if they bloviate with enough bluster other people will forget all the selective, and hypocritical BS they have spouted in the past.

Kind of like a belligerent drunk trying to do the Jedi mind trick.

It's actually really funny to watch.

Quote from: muguru on January 31, 2020, 11:49:24 PM
I never said anything like this, I have not mentioned Chris Beard one damn time. I know as a journalist this is an incredibly difficult thing for you to do(it's ingrained in your profession) STOP YOUR DAMN LYING.

You have not mentioned Chris Beard one damn time?

Quote from: muguru on June 26, 2019, 07:00:32 AM
When Wojo can take a kid ranked as low as a Jarrett Culver was, and show he can develop him the way Beard did, let me know.

Quote from: muguru on June 02, 2019, 09:39:21 AM
You're right, but the difference is...he would have shut me up quickly, if he had the same success right away at MU as he has had at Texas Tech. That's the difference between him and Wojo. If Wojo has had the same results, he would have shut me up to. Call Beard's tenure at TT fluky or once in a lifetime, or whatever, you want to call it, it still happened, and that's what I always ask myself, "why can't stuff like that ever happen to MU basketball"??

Quote from: muguru on April 01, 2019, 07:49:31 AM
Well, you cite all of this how the Anti Wojo people need to relax or whatever. Well I would point you to Chris Beard at Texas Tech..look at his trajectory in three years..it's absolutely perfect, and now I ask you, why the hell can't/couldn't that be done at MU?? That's what I was hoping for.

Quote from: muguru on March 30, 2019, 05:31:57 PM
Want no part of Bennett and that slow down offense...no thanks. I'd take Chris Beard in a heartbeat though. But that wouldn't happen.

Quote from: muguru on March 29, 2019, 02:42:06 PM
I wanted to post this to show everyone what I wanted/hoped for under Wojo...Everyone always says "it takes time". Well, this proves it doesn't. Granted it's not at the "elite" level, like I pine for, but if Chris Beard could do this in three years, why could Wojo not?? You talk about a positive trend! If MU had this the last 3 years under Wojo, I'd be completely satisfied, and sing his praises constantly.

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I more wanted to say "it can be done" in the time frame I wanted to see...again, not "elite" level, but damn if this isn't impressive as hell in 3 years. Again, I will ask, why would this be unrealistic to have asked for from Wojo??

There might be more, that's just what came up in the search bar. But MU82 doesn't seem like the damn liar here

Quote from: TAMU Garcia on February 01, 2020, 03:39:44 AM
You have not mentioned Chris Beard one damn time?

There might be more, that's just what came up in the search bar. But MU82 doesn't seem like the damn liar here

I meant in this thread(thought that was pretty obvious that's what I meant but I guess not), and he is a liar because I NEVER said he should be fired for losing to DePaul. EVER...That's a flat out lie. Period. Something he seems to be very good at.

Quote from: muguru on February 01, 2020, 07:15:13 AM
I meant in this thread(thought that was pretty obvious that's what I meant but I guess not), and he is a liar because I NEVER said he should be fired for losing to DePaul. EVER...That's a flat out lie. Period. Something he seems to be very good at.

Sigh.

I know you didn't mention Chris Beard in this thread.

I know that if we lose to DePaul, you will pillory Wojo. It will be his fault.

Texas Tech lost to DePaul. Past posts made by you indicate that you practically worship Beard. I'm wondering why their loss to DePaul wasn't Beard's fault.

Sarcasm is a difficult concept for some.

My expectation is that we will win the game. I also acknowledge that, as TedBaxter said, DePaul is capable of beating anybody. They beat a coach you idolize, they won road games against two Big Ten teams and an ACC team, they almost won at Nova, they handily beat Butler, they led at Seton Hall with 6 minutes left.

So I expect us to win, but it would not be the upset of the century if we don't win, especially if Markus doesn't play.

All of the above are not "excuses." They are called "facts," a difficult concept to many these days.

There. I spelled it out for you. Better?

Quote from: MU82 on February 01, 2020, 08:12:29 AM
Sigh.

I know you didn't mention Chris Beard in this thread.

I know that if we lose to DePaul, you will pillory Wojo. It will be his fault.

Texas Tech lost to DePaul. Past posts made by you indicate that you practically worship Beard. I'm wondering why their loss to DePaul wasn't Beard's fault.

Sarcasm is a difficult concept for some.

My expectation is that we will win the game. I also acknowledge that, as TedBaxter said, DePaul is capable of beating anybody. They beat a coach you idolize, they won road games against two Big Ten teams and an ACC team, they almost won at Nova, they handily beat Butler, they led at Seton Hall with 6 minutes left.

So I expect us to win, but it would not be the upset of the century if we don't win, especially if Markus doesn't play.

All of the above are not "excuses." They are called "facts," a difficult concept to many these days.

There. I spelled it out for you. Better?

Could they lose?? Sure. Could one of us get hit by a car crossing the street?? Sure. But I worry about them losing to DePaul about as much as I worry about getting hit by a car crossing the street. I don't expect it to happen.

The angst/worry some people have here about losing games that should essentially be a lay up is baffling. Is Depaul really capable of beating anyone?? Early in the year...I think they played/beat some teams at the right time. But in the non conference, sure I will give you that. Have they showed in Big East they are capable of beating anyone?? They are 1-7, they have lost to SJU TWICE. Have they played Nova, SH, PC tough did they beat Butler(at home)?? Sure. But you know what?? At least in Big East play I think it would be more appropriate to say they are capable of making any game close. Because in the end, with the exception of butler, they still lost all of those games.

Now, if people wanted to worry about POSSIBLY losing at home next Sunday to Butler...that's more reasonable. There's a much better chance that could happen.

To me, there's better odds of getting struck by lightning today(when it's winter), then there is of this team losing to DePaul...with or without Markus.

Great, now I am stuck with the image of you simultaneously suffering a lighting strike while being run over crossing the street.

Quote from: muguru on January 31, 2020, 11:52:52 PM
Listen, non conference is a whole different animal..when DePaul was winning games in non con, TONS of people on twitter were falling all over them, and raving about them, wanting them ranked, claiming they were back etc. I tweeted at each one of them and said to NOT be fooled by them and that once they got to BE play, where opponents know them, it will be a different story and that they will prove to be the same old Depaul...well?? A leopard doesn't change their spots.

What the hell does any of this have to do about the question you were attempting to answer?

Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 01, 2020, 08:40:27 AM
What the hell does any of this have to do about the question you were attempting to answer?

Nothing.
He's trying (poorly) to justify his contradictory takes that a) only a terrible coach would lose to DePaul and b) Chris Beard is Coaching Jesus.

Quote from: Pakuni on February 01, 2020, 08:48:15 AM
Nothing.
He's trying (poorly) to justify his contradictory takes that a) only a terrible coach would lose to DePaul and b) Chris Beard is Coaching Jesus.

No, Chris Beard should not have been fired for losing to DePaul...Never implied or said that. Should Wojo be fired for losing to DePaul(I think that's what you are trying to imply I would say)?? No, but it HAS to be considered in the grand scheme of things(along with a myriad of other things) if/when at such point they decided to fire him whenever that may be.

Is losing to DePaul at home NOT a good look?? That's a resounding YES. If anyone wants to deny that/say it isn't or it's irrelevant then they are just flat out tools. Losing to DePaul and Providence at home in the same season?? As damning of an indictment as there could possibly be in terms of "w's and L's". 

Quote from: muguru on February 01, 2020, 08:34:24 AM
Could they lose?? Sure. Could one of us get hit by a car crossing the street?? Sure. But I worry about them losing to DePaul about as much as I worry about getting hit by a car crossing the street. I don't expect it to happen.

The angst/worry some people have here about losing games that should essentially be a lay up is baffling. Is Depaul really capable of beating anyone?? Early in the year...I think they played/beat some teams at the right time. But in the non conference, sure I will give you that. Have they showed in Big East they are capable of beating anyone?? They are 1-7, they have lost to SJU TWICE. Have they played Nova, SH, PC tough did they beat Butler(at home)?? Sure. But you know what?? At least in Big East play I think it would be more appropriate to say they are capable of making any game close. Because in the end, with the exception of butler, they still lost all of those games.

Now, if people wanted to worry about POSSIBLY losing at home next Sunday to Butler...that's more reasonable. There's a much better chance that could happen.

To me, there's better odds of getting struck by lightning today(when it's winter), then there is of this team losing to DePaul...with or without Markus.

You're fun, guru. I'm glad we have you on Scoop.

Now, I could call you a LIAR because you know full well that it's much more likely for any BEast team to beat any other BEast team than it is for you to get hit by a car or struck by lightning. But I understand hyperbole and sarcasm as writing mechanisms, so I won't tell you to STOP YOUR DAMN LYING.

How did you feel about our nonconference losses the last couple of years? You were perfectly OK with them because they were nonconference? Wow ... such low expectations. You have to stop accepting mediocrity, my friend.

I can't speak for my fellow Scoopers, but I am not "worried" about us beating DePaul or Butler. I try not to worry about things completely out of my control. I expect us to win today while acknowledging that we could lose to a vastly improved DePaul team, especially if we have to go without Markus. That's all; nothing more, nothing less.

I am getting together with a buddy to watch today's game. I expect us to win, and I obviously hope we do. If we don't, I'll be bummed for a little bit. And then, win or lose, my wife and I will have a great night enjoying life with some friends.

Here's hoping you also take time to enjoy life above and beyond whatever happens with Marquette basketball. That's a sincere wish from me to you.

Here's to life! We Are Marquette!

Quote from: MU82 on February 01, 2020, 09:24:35 AM
You're fun, guru. I'm glad we have you on Scoop.

Now, I could call you a LIAR because you know full well that it's much more likely for any BEast team to beat any other BEast team than it is for you to get hit by a car or struck by lightning. But I understand hyperbole and sarcasm as writing mechanisms, so I won't tell you to STOP YOUR DAMN LYING.

How did you feel about our nonconference losses the last couple of years? You were perfectly OK with them because they were nonconference? Wow ... such low expectations. You have to stop accepting mediocrity, my friend.

I can't speak for my fellow Scoopers, but I am not "worried" about us beating DePaul or Butler. I try not to worry about things completely out of my control. I expect us to win today while acknowledging that we could lose to a vastly improved DePaul team, especially if we have to go without Markus. That's all; nothing more, nothing less.

I am getting together with a buddy to watch today's game. I expect us to win, and I obviously hope we do. If we don't, I'll be bummed for a little bit. And then, win or lose, my wife and I will have a great night enjoying life with some friends.

Here's hoping you also take time to enjoy life above and beyond whatever happens with Marquette basketball. That's a sincere wish from me to you.

Here's to life! We Are Marquette!

There's life beyond Marquette basketball?? I wouldn't know.

There is no excuse for Xavier to be up 30-11 on Seton Hall in New Jersey.   Trap games are a myth.

Quote from: tower912 on February 01, 2020, 10:33:31 AM
There is no excuse for Xavier to be up 30-11 on Seton Hall in New Jersey.   Trap games are a myth.

Could care less...it's a flawed comparison. What happens between X and Seton hall has ZERO bearing on MU. However, you are right, there is ZERO excuse for Hall to get blasted the way they are. Where this game is different though, is law of averages..Hall is/was due to lose a BE game, sooner or later. Let's put it this way, X winning at Hall is/was way less shocking to me then DePaul winning at MU would be.

Quote from: muguru on February 01, 2020, 10:44:49 AM
Could care less...it's a flawed comparison. What happens between X and Seton hall has ZERO bearing on MU. However, you are right, there is ZERO excuse for Hall to get blasted the way they are. Where this game is different though, is law of averages..Hall is/was due to lose a BE game, sooner or later. Let's put it this way, X winning at Hall is/was way less shocking to me then DePaul winning at MU would be.

DePaul, and the possibility that they win, is immune to the law of averages.  Good to know. ::)

Quote from: muguru on February 01, 2020, 10:44:49 AM
Could care less...it's a flawed comparison. What happens between X and Seton hall has ZERO bearing on MU. However, you are right, there is ZERO excuse for Hall to get blasted the way they are. Where this game is different though, is law of averages..Hall is/was due to lose a BE game, sooner or later. Let's put it this way, X winning at Hall is/was way less shocking to me then DePaul winning at MU would be.

You're fun!

Asian carp.

Quote from: muguru on February 01, 2020, 10:44:49 AM
Could care less...it's a flawed comparison. What happens between X and Seton hall has ZERO bearing on MU. However, you are right, there is ZERO excuse for Hall to get blasted the way they are. Where this game is different though, is law of averages..Hall is/was due to lose a BE game, sooner or later. Let's put it this way, X winning at Hall is/was way less shocking to me then DePaul winning at MU would be.

The bile you've been saving up after Marquette didn't lose to X must have backed up all the way to your brain.
If Marquette wins today I seriously fear for your mental well being.

Besides ... I'll be surprised if SH still doesn't win.

Quote from: MU82 on February 01, 2020, 11:14:34 AM
Besides ... I'll be surprised if SH still doesn't win.

Pleasantly surprised to be wrong and to see X take this one.

I cannot believe SH would lose at home to a team that even mediocre Marquette has beaten twice, including by 944 points at Fiserv.

It was more likely that Powell would be struck by lightning than that happening! And the injury to McNight is no excuse.

Fire Willard!

Trap games are games you think you SHOULD win, usually coming between theoretically tougher, more emotional games.  MU dodged their bullet.

Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on February 01, 2020, 11:13:15 AM
The bile you've been saving up after Marquette didn't lose to X must have backed up all the way to your brain.
If Marquette wins today I seriously fear for your mental well being.

Get over yourself...I NEVER EVER root for MU to lose...ever. Loved the X win, loved today's win. I hope you learned a valuable lesson son...there would have been no excuse for losing to DUHpaul today. And they didn't. You know why?? Because they were never going to lose to them. There was no trap game, no "letdown" it was playing the last place team in the Big East on your home floor. Give them long enough and they will shoot themselves in the foot.. Said that to my buddy during the game today. You know why?? That's what last place teams do, hence why they are in last place. I never for a second thought MU would lose today.

Quote from: tower912 on February 01, 2020, 06:53:32 PM
Trap games are.famea.uounthink you SHOULD win, usually coming between theoretically tougher, more emotional games.  MU dodged their bullet.

And not just the games you think you "should" win, but the games everybody thinks you "should" win, including the media and Vegas.

You fall into a false sense of security and relax, which IS the trap.

Quote from: muguru on February 01, 2020, 07:12:36 PM
Get over yourself...I NEVER EVER root for MU to lose...ever. Loved the X win, loved today's win. I hope you learned a valuable lesson son...there would have been no excuse for losing to DUHpaul today. And they didn't. You know why?? Because they were never going to lose to them. There was no trap game, no "letdown" it was playing the last place team in the Big East on your home floor. Give them long enough and they will shoot themselves in the foot.. Said that to my buddy during the game today. You know why?? That's what last place teams do, hence why they are in last place. I never for a second thought MU would lose today.

Nerve struck!!

Listen to yourself trying to convince yourself.

The reason I had confidence at the end of the game had nothing to do with what DePaul did or didn't do.....

It was all about the refs "son".

Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on February 01, 2020, 07:15:26 PM
And not just the games you think you "should" win, but the games everybody thinks you "should" win, including the media and Vegas.

You fall into a false sense of security and relax, which IS the trap.

Thank you once again for sharing your knowledge with the board. I'm sure others, like myself, have also wondered:  Why do they call it a trap game?

Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 01, 2020, 07:34:43 PM
Thank you once again for sharing your knowledge with the board. I'm sure others, like myself, have also wondered:  Why do they call it a trap game?

You do realize that comment was for the people that insisted that the DePaul game wasn't a trap game right????

By the way, after reading some old posts that others had shared, I was made aware that you're that ners guy that people constantly clOWNED.

I now care even less what you think if that's even possible.

Quote from: tower912 on February 01, 2020, 06:53:32 PM
Trap games are.famea.uounthink you SHOULD win, usually coming between theoretically tougher, more emotional games.  MU dodged their bullet.

Yup. This was very much a trap game, and MU almost fell into it. DePaul's record is not indicative of how good or bad they are.

Quote from: manesworld on February 01, 2020, 08:02:18 PM
Yup. This was very much a trap game, and MU almost fell into it. DePaul's record is not indicative of how good or bad they are.

Good lord , only people on this board argue the type of win we get. Take  the W and move on.

Quote from: 79Warrior on February 01, 2020, 08:14:43 PM
Good lord , only people on this board argue the type of win we get. Take  the W and move on.

You're a little late to the party. That isn't what the arguments about at all.

Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on February 01, 2020, 07:49:16 PM
You do realize that comment was for the people that insisted that the DePaul game wasn't a trap game right????

By the way, after reading some old posts that others had shared, I was made aware that you're that ners guy that people constantly clOWNED.

I now care even less what you think if that's even possible.

So you followed this board closely in 2009-2015 when I posted under Ners? Yet you never felt compelled to post here during that time?  Yet finally, you join 3 months ago and are on a historic posting pace of 25+ posts per day?  Seems a guy with SO much to say wouldn't sit on the sidelines for so long?

And yes, there were a consistent 5-10 posters here who really took offense to my posts - most of which centered around how good Buzz was from Day 1 on the job, how admin of Larry Williams/Pilarz we're running Buzz off, and how poor of coaching decision it was to put Derrick into a 33+ minute per game role, and being very critical of Wojo early.

You know who really hated me for all of the above?  A prolific poster named: ChicosBailBonds.

Quote from: 79Warrior on February 01, 2020, 08:14:43 PM
Good lord , only people on this board argue the type of win we get. Take  the W and move on.

Argue? What was I arguing?

We had a trap game today. We struggled, but we won. In my opinion it was a trap game because DePaul has one conference win but is better than that would suggest. I'm thrilled.

Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 01, 2020, 08:20:27 PM
So you followed this board closely in 2009-2015 when I posted under Ners? Yet you never felt compelled to post here during that time?  Yet finally, you join 3 months ago and are on a historic posting pace of 25+ posts per day?  Seems a guy with SO much to say wouldn't sit on the sidelines for so long?

And yes, there were a consistent 5-10 posters here who really took offense to my posts - most of which centered around how good Buzz was from Day 1 on the job, how admin of Larry Williams/Pilarz we're running Buzz off, and how poor of coaching decision it was to put Derrick into a 33+ minute per game role, and being very critical of Wojo early.

You know who really hated me for all of the above?  A prolific poster named: ChicosBailBonds.

Domt feel special, I dislike a lot of the posters on this site who act like spoiled children, and seem to think Wojo should already have Marquette at near blue blood status. Go back and read the comments when Marquette was 1-3 in conference. I joined because I was sick of comments like those in the middle of the season, and in the middle of a recruiting battle for Mane. I'm free to vent just like you are. This is how I do it. If you don't like it, tough.

Great. A make-believe guy is arguing with the banned-4-life Nrs.

Only on Scoop, ladies and gentlemen.

Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 01, 2020, 08:20:27 PM
So you followed this board closely in 2009-2015 when I posted under Ners? Yet you never felt compelled to post here during that time?  Yet finally, you join 3 months ago and are on a historic posting pace of 25+ posts per day?  Seems a guy with SO much to say wouldn't sit on the sidelines for so long?

And yes, there were a consistent 5-10 posters here who really took offense to my posts - most of which centered around how good Buzz was from Day 1 on the job, how admin of Larry Williams/Pilarz we're running Buzz off, and how poor of coaching decision it was to put Derrick into a 33+ minute per game role, and being very critical of Wojo early.

You know who really hated me for all of the above?  A prolific poster named: ChicosBailBonds.

I must have hallucinated your obsessive/compulsive posting about John Dawson...

so like...do we need larger nametags to ensure accuracy at the scoop NMD meetup at Bucks?

Signed,

Jakebarnes/ners/chicos/tower/hoopaloop/warriorchick

Quote from: manesworld on February 01, 2020, 08:02:18 PM
Yup. This was very much a trap game, and MU almost fell into it. DePaul's record is not indicative of how good or bad they are.

Denny Green says "Hey". ;)

Quote from: manesworld on February 01, 2020, 08:02:18 PM
Yup. This was very much a trap game, and MU almost fell into it. DePaul's record is not indicative of how good or bad they are.

Well, they're 1- 8 in conference with 2 losses to St.John's - so they could be better than their record and still bad.

Quote from: MU82 on February 01, 2020, 10:34:23 PM
Great. A make-believe guy is arguing with the banned-4-life Nrs.

Only on Scoop, ladies and gentlemen.

Ners never pretended to be anyone else.

But WhoaJoe?  Let's see...
* Must respond to every single post
* Has to have the last word, always
* Long, goal-post shifting diatribes
* Is an a-hole even when making a valid point
* Same phrasing and style as CBB
* Perpetual wanker

Ipso facto, Hoopaloop II

Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 02, 2020, 10:55:06 AM
Well, they're 1- 8 in conference with 2 losses to St.John's - so they could be better than their record and still bad.

Well, they've also won at Iowa (top 15 KenPom), at Minnesota (top 40 KenPom), beaten Texas Tech at home (top 25 KenPom), and beaten Butler at home (top 15 KenPom). So maybe they just play in a tough conference and had a few close games not break their way (lost to Providence by 1, in overtime to Nova, and down the stretch on the road to SHU and MU).

They're certainly not world beaters, but I wouldn't call them "bad." They're 64 in KenPom and 59 in NET. I wouldn't expect a team that's 1-8 in their conference to be ranked there.

Quote from: MU82 on February 01, 2020, 10:34:23 PM
Great. A make-believe guy is arguing with the banned-4-life Nrs.

Only on Scoop, ladies and gentlemen.

Mike

I have been in Miami most of the week, getting ready to head over to the tailgate Party in 20 minutes and then the game.  I have posted very infrequently since being here because I have been so busy with players, agents, tv, radio, NFL, etc.  I chuckle at the made up guy stuff....it remains deliciously funny to me.

WhoaJoe...I tip my hat to you sir.

I love you Cheeks...and WhoaJoe. I want to thank scoop as well for entertaining me for years. The annual subscription fee is in the mail.

I really find this purely entertaining with no judgment, but let's help some kids. I do find it interesting that someone around the time of the great scoop crash of 2020 created a new profile to support the coach. It's who says the what, right?

I looked at your post history and found an interesting use of the spelling "by product," which is really just one word but if you spell it wrong on your phone/computer it wouldn't autocorrect it. I then cross-referenced that with all known uses of the same word and there were a few other people that used it but only cheeks had used it more than once and within the last year.

Also, if you look at a post from WhoaJoe on January 8th, 2020 at 3:58 p.m. he suggests that kids Google the phrase 'you can't win for losing." I then searched that phrase under scoop which was only used one other time that I could find on March 27th, 2011 by the one and only Chico's bail bondsman. What are the odds?

There is also a post where cheeks responded within a half hour at 2 a.m. in the morning. Probably bored at the airport talking about Ian Zierling. Coincidence? Maybe.

I know that you wouldn't object to donating to charity so let's put up $500 on the line to the charity of Cheeks' choice. WhoaJoe, I assume you don't mind, right?  You have to confirm your account with the mods and I'm willing to do the same.  If I'm right you pay the $500 and if I'm wrong I'll pay the $500.

Once again, love you both.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 02, 2020, 10:55:06 AM
Well, they're 1- 8 in conference with 2 losses to St.John's - so they could be better than their record and still bad.

They're not bad.
Nor are they particularly good.
They're KenPom #64, surrounded by the likes of Arizona State, Tennessee, TCU and Texas. Which seems about right.

At the end of the day, it was a game MU should have won and did win, even without playing anywhere near their best.

Quote from: djvern414 on February 02, 2020, 12:42:38 PM
I love you Cheeks...and WhoaJoe. I want to thank scoop as well for entertaining me for years. The annual subscription fee is in the mail.

I really find this purely entertaining with no judgment, but let's help some kids. I do find it interesting that someone around the time of the great scoop crash of 2020 created a new profile to support the coach. It's who says the what, right?

I looked at your post history and found an interesting use of the spelling "by product," which is really just one word but if you spell it wrong on your phone/computer it wouldn't autocorrect it. I then cross-referenced that with all known uses of the same word and there were a few other people that used it but only cheeks had used it more than once and within the last year.

Also, if you look at a post from WhoaJoe on January 8th, 2020 at 3:58 p.m. he suggests that kids Google the phrase 'you can't win for losing." I then searched that phrase under scoop which was only used one other time that I could find on March 27th, 2011 by the one and only Chico's bail bondsman. What are the odds?

There is also a post where cheeks responded within a half hour at 2 a.m. in the morning. Probably bored at the airport talking about Ian Zierling. Coincidence? Maybe.

I know that you wouldn't object to donating to charity so let's put up $500 on the line to the charity of Cheeks' choice. WhoaJoe, I assume you don't mind, right?  You have to confirm your account with the mods and I'm willing to do the same.  If I'm right you pay the $500 and if I'm wrong I'll pay the $500.

Once again, love you both.

I did jokingly post about Ian as I met him Wednesday on my red eye...we exchanged numbers.  I had him out to meet Peyton Manning on Friday and yesterday Larry Fitzgerald and Dak Prescott and a few others.  Last night he was at the Last Gaga concert and stopped by as well as the post party.  For the 40+ crowd it was quite funny .   Pretty Funny dude and of course the ladies were loving it.

Now, I posted one photo on Facebook with him and my team at the concert, nowhere else did I say anything.  So I am guessing you are on my facebook feed.

The bet is still open....hell, I would bet someone my life savings.  I don't know who the guy is but I tip my hat to him.  Not sure what you meant by the byproduct or by product "analysis", but I'd love to hear more about this conspiracy.

Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 02, 2020, 10:55:06 AM
Well, they're 1- 8 in conference with 2 losses to St.John's - so they could be better than their record and still bad.

You are what your record says you are, right??

Quote from: Cheeks on February 02, 2020, 01:28:13 PM
I did jokingly post about Ian as I met him Wednesday on my red eye...we exchanged numbers.  I had him out to meet Peyton Manning on Friday and yesterday Larry Fitzgerald and Dak Prescott and a few others.  Last night he was at the Last Gaga concert and stopped by as well as the post party.  For the 40+ crowd it was quite funny .   Pretty Funny dude and of course the ladies were loving it.

Now, I posted one photo on Facebook with him and my team at the concert, nowhere else did I say anything.  So I am guessing you are on my facebook feed.

The bet is still open....hell, I would bet someone my life savings.  I don't know who the guy is but I tip my hat to him.  Not sure what you meant by the byproduct or by product "analysis", but I'd love to hear more about this conspiracy.

Jams - You've spent an awful lot of time on Scoop this afternoon while being in the middle of Super Bowl pregame activities with players, agents, etc. Seems odd Scoop would command your attention at such a busy and big day for you and DirecTV?

Dude. Enjoy the damn Super Bowl experience. Come back tomorrow and post some more!

Quote from: Cheeks on February 02, 2020, 01:28:13 PM
Now, I posted one photo on Facebook with him and my team at the concert, nowhere else did I say anything.  So I am guessing you are on my facebook feed.

The bet is still open....hell, I would bet someone my life savings.  I don't know who the guy is but I tip my hat to him.  Not sure what you meant by the byproduct or by product "analysis", but I'd love to hear more about this conspiracy.

"Now the conspiracy claims come out again." –Hoopaloop

Quote from: djvern414 on February 02, 2020, 12:42:38 PM
I love you Cheeks...and WhoaJoe. I want to thank scoop as well for entertaining me for years. The annual subscription fee is in the mail.

I really find this purely entertaining with no judgment, but let's help some kids. I do find it interesting that someone around the time of the great scoop crash of 2020 created a new profile to support the coach. It's who says the what, right?

I looked at your post history and found an interesting use of the spelling "by product," which is really just one word but if you spell it wrong on your phone/computer it wouldn't autocorrect it. I then cross-referenced that with all known uses of the same word and there were a few other people that used it but only cheeks had used it more than once and within the last year.

Also, if you look at a post from WhoaJoe on January 8th, 2020 at 3:58 p.m. he suggests that kids Google the phrase 'you can't win for losing." I then searched that phrase under scoop which was only used one other time that I could find on March 27th, 2011 by the one and only Chico's bail bondsman. What are the odds?

There is also a post where cheeks responded within a half hour at 2 a.m. in the morning. Probably bored at the airport talking about Ian Zierling. Coincidence? Maybe.

I know that you wouldn't object to donating to charity so let's put up $500 on the line to the charity of Cheeks' choice. WhoaJoe, I assume you don't mind, right?  You have to confirm your account with the mods and I'm willing to do the same.  If I'm right you pay the $500 and if I'm wrong I'll pay the $500.

Once again, love you both.

To all of you conspiracy theorists, I offer this one defining distinction between Cheeks and myself.

Judging from his comments that reveal his political and social leanings, I would never want to be in the same room as this individual.

We just happen to agree on ONE issue. That one issue immediately put me at odds with the opposition party and when they couldn't break down my arguments about keeping Wojo, they resorted to this WhoaJoe is Cheeks trope.

Donate your money to charity because you think it's the right thing to do, not because of some stupid bet.

Quote from: Elonsmusk on February 02, 2020, 03:23:06 PM
Jams - You've spent an awful lot of time on Scoop this afternoon while being in the middle of Super Bowl pregame activities with players, agents, etc. Seems odd Scoop would command your attention at such a busy and big day for you and DirecTV?

Dude. Enjoy the damn Super Bowl experience. Come back tomorrow and post some more!

Lol

I have been with players, agents, teams, the league Thursday, Friday and Saturday....and this morning.  Then I had a few hours off.   


I enjoy every year.  I enjoy MU winning, too.  It's a shame how entitled our fanbase is...we will ultimately get what we deserve.

Go Marquette

(https://imgur.com/gallery/sMIanHR)

Quote from: WhoaJoe2020 on February 02, 2020, 04:29:19 PM
To all of you conspiracy theorists, I offer this one defining distinction between Cheeks and myself.

Judging from his comments that reveal his political and social leanings, I would never want to be in the same room as this individual.

Such tolerance.   :o

Quote from: Cheeks on February 02, 2020, 04:32:39 PM
Lol

I have been with players, agents, teams, the league Thursday, Friday and Saturday....and this morning.  Then I had a few hours off.   


I enjoy every year.  I enjoy MU winning, too.  It's a shame how entitled our fanbase is...we will ultimately get what we deserve.

Go Marquette

(https://imgur.com/gallery/sMIanHR)

Gotcha. Sounds like a lot of fun. When you have a moment, what do you feel we will deserve given your perception of our entitlement?

Quote from: Cheeks on February 02, 2020, 04:40:22 PM
Such tolerance.   :o

I own my privilege. The laws dictate what I have to tolerate in public life. I choose what to tolerate in my personal life.

Quote from: muguru on February 02, 2020, 03:05:29 PM

You are what your record says you are, right??

No
LaSalle, Fordham, Idaho, San Diego and Portland are 1-8 and I will go out on a limb and say they would not beat DePaul.

Quote from: bilsu on February 02, 2020, 05:31:50 PM
No
LaSalle, Fordham, Idaho, San Diego and Portland are 1-8 and I will go out on a limb and say they would not beat DePaul.

Not the same thing at all...any Coach anywhere in any sport would tell you "You are what your record says you are". In this instance, in respect to the conference they are in, they are a BAD basketball team. Period. Their 1-8 record says they are. Just as if you are 5-5 in a conference, you're mediocre or average within that conference.

Quote from: muguru on February 02, 2020, 05:40:34 PM
Not the same thing at all...any Coach anywhere in any sport would tell you "You are what your record says you are". In this instance, in respect to the conference they are in, they are a BAD basketball team. Period. Their 1-8 record says they are. Just as if you are 5-5 in a conference, you're mediocre or average within that conference.

Yeah they aren't a bad basketball team.