Big fan of our program. I love this roster. I'm very pleased with the trajectory of MU basketball. Looking forward to continued success. Here's hoping the administration will give wojo an extension this off-season to lock down the 2020 class where we appear to be in great position with top talent.
100% agree.
Everyone should take the names of the less than 100 post morons bashing the program. They are trolls that deserve no respect.
Eh.
Don't know what else to say.
Couldn't disagree more. He has shown literally nothing over the 5 years he has been here. Regular season means absolutely nothing after the colossal collapse. It was not even a game tonight they were simply run out of the freaking building. Embarrassing for the program to be honest.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on March 21, 2019, 09:49:12 PM
Couldn't disagree more. He has shown literally nothing over the 5 years he has been here. Regular season means absolutely nothing after the colossal collapse. It was not even a game tonight they were simply run out of the freaking building. Embarrassing for the program to be honest.
So, in your opinion, the administration should fire him, watch everyone transfer and we can spend three years finishing 9th or 10th in the BE in hoops that some other unknown assistant with no experience or retread can how turn things around in another 5 years?
Think about how stupid you are and then delete your account.
Jesmu, We are never going to see eye to eye on Wojo's coaching but I do respect you as a member here. I don't believe Wojo is that good of a coach but he is a good recruiter and should be getting more out of his players than he is. Even with tonights loss I would have said this was a successful season with a Big East Conference title but the way we played the last 7 games outside of St. Johns was truly a pathetic performance.
It just blows my mind the way we can never get defensive rebounds. Watching the game today it was like no matter where the shot bounced off the rim the MU player was never in the right position. Its literally impossible to always be on the wrong side of the hoop yet MU seemed to master that tonight and this whole season. I am as big a supporter of MU as the next guy and have had a passion for MU basketball since I was going to games in the late 90's but this team needs a leader and I don't believe its Wojo.
Please do tell me how the limp dick all white team to the west of us seem to find themselves in the s16 literally every year with a fraction of the talent that MU has?
Quote from: Rick Majerus' Towel on March 21, 2019, 09:59:02 PM
So, in your opinion, the administration should fire him, watch everyone transfer and we can spend three years finishing 9th or 10th in the BE in hoops that some other unknown assistant with no experience or retread can how turn things around in another 5 years?
Think about how stupid you are and then delete your account.
How about you think about how Stupid you are for believing in a coach who has got us 2 NIT wins over 5 years.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on March 21, 2019, 10:01:54 PM
How about you think about how Stupid you are for believing in a coach who has got us 2 NIT wins over 5 years.
Lmao
Quote from: Rick Majerus' Towel on March 21, 2019, 09:59:02 PM
So, in your opinion, the administration should fire him, watch everyone transfer and we can spend three years finishing 9th or 10th in the BE in hoops that some other unknown assistant with no experience or retread can how turn things around in another 5 years?
Think about how stupid you are and then delete your account.
Agreed, cannot fire Wojo at this time. Rebuild would take too long. We went through that not that long ago and we are still recovering from it. Wojo needs at least another year. Sam and Markus as seniors is too great of an opportunity to blow it up now. Hopefully Koby, Greg and an improved Jamal can bring some much needed athleticism and make this team more complete. I realize I should not be allowed to post because I don't have 100+ posts and should delete my account. ;D
Quote from: HowardsWorld on March 21, 2019, 10:00:59 PM
Jesmu, We are never going to see eye to eye on Wojo's coaching but I do respect you as a member here. I don't believe Wojo is that good of a coach but he is a good recruiter and should be getting more out of his players than he is. Even with tonights loss I would have said this was a successful season with a Big East Conference title but the way we played the last 7 games outside of St. Johns was truly a pathetic performance.
It just blows my mind the way we can never get defensive rebounds. Watching the game today it was like no matter where the shot bounced off the rim the MU player was never in the right position. Its literally impossible to always be on the wrong side of the hoop yet MU seemed to master that tonight and this whole season. I am as big a supporter of MU as the next guy and have had a passion for MU basketball since I was going to games in the late 90's but this team needs a leader and I don't believe its Wojo.
Please do tell me how the limp dick all white team to the west of us seem to find themselves in the s16 literally every year with a fraction of the talent that MU has?
I believe a lot of our problems under wojo would be lessened if we had more "athletes" on the roster. I think wojo realized this after a season or 2 and so went and got Ike, Cain, Elliott. Now going after more of that mold. (Versus Hausers, Henry, etc).
With regards to this season (and the brutal finish over the last month+), I think fatigue, injuries and a short bench/capable depth proved fatal.
I can't explain how Wisconsin is successful without the athletes.
If wojo can rollover success from this season, into another successful 19-20 campaign and sell that to the potential (highly talented) 2020 recruits, I think we'll have a snowball effect with regards to roster talent in the long run. That's what I'm hoping for in the least.
If wojo also happens to significantly improve as a coach as well, then that's the best case scenario. Because I think you can have sustainable success with an average coach with top 75/100 talent. And you can have outstanding and sustainable success with a good/great coach + top 75/100 talent.
There is a territory roughly the size of China between thinking Wojo is the end all/be all and wanting him summarily dismissed.
I don't drink any more, so it's hard to get to either of those equally outrageous positions.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 21, 2019, 10:16:26 PM
I can't explain how Wisconsin is successful without the athletes.
It's easy to see, but hard to replicate. They have a system, an identity. Guys know their roles and they do it well. They also value the basketball, rarely over help on defense, and are in good positions which helps make up for their lack of foot speed.
MU does absolutely none of that well.
The end result in year 5 sucked for Wojo. If it happens next year (i.e. no NCAA tourney wins), he needs to be fired.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 21, 2019, 10:21:07 PM
The end result in year 5 sucked for Wojo. If it happens next year (i.e. no NCAA tourney wins), he needs to be fired.
My opinion on keeping/firing wojo at the end of next season will not be dependent on 1 game. But I can understand your position
I also do not believe Wojo needs to be fired but learn how to do in game adjustments more. A firing now would set the team back another 5 years for a total of 10 years since we were relevant.
I do believe next year is the year we finally break through. I am just bitter because I thought this year was finally the year we would make some noise.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 21, 2019, 10:22:37 PM
My opinion on keeping/firing wojo at the end of next season will not be dependent on 1 game. But I can understand your position
Really? You wouldn't say right now that if Wojo goes 1 and done again next year he should lose his job? I can definitely say I would
Let's ask a non-emotional question (for us here) ...
If Tony Bennett loses again tomorrow, should he be fired?
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 21, 2019, 10:25:17 PM
Really? You wouldn't say right now that if Wojo goes 1 and done again next year he should lose his job? I can definitely say I would
So, in a situation where MU wins 25+ games next season, takes the big east conference regular season title outright, makes it to BET championship (and loses) and gets a 3 seed, but loses in the NCAAs... You'd fire him?
I wouldn't.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 21, 2019, 10:29:31 PM
So, in a situation where MU wins 25+ games next season, takes the big east conference regular season title outright, makes it to BET championship (and loses) and gets a 3 seed, but loses in the NCAAs... You'd fire him?
I wouldn't.
If he can't win in the tourney with next year's team he doesn't have much hope as a coach
Quote from: Rick Majerus' Towel on March 21, 2019, 10:28:56 PM
Let's ask a non-emotional question (for us here) ...
If Tony Bennett loses again tomorrow, should he be fired?
Tony Bennett has a a career .722 winning percentage and has rebuilt two terrible programs; one into a national championship contender. Try again.
Quote from: Rick Majerus' Towel on March 21, 2019, 10:28:56 PM
Let's ask a non-emotional question (for us here) ...
If Tony Bennett loses again tomorrow, should he be fired?
Superbar?
Quote from: Rick Majerus' Towel on March 21, 2019, 09:48:11 PM
100% agree.
Everyone should take the names of the less than 100 post morons bashing the program. They are trolls that deserve no respect.
Heise, you're drunk. Go home.
Quote from: Oregon Warrior on March 21, 2019, 10:39:03 PM
Tony Bennett has a a career .722 winning percentage and has rebuilt to terrible programs, one into a national championship contender. Try again.
Wait ... this thread is about the lack of NCAA wins and you tell us his winning percentage? Irrelevant!
He lost as a 1-seed last year (only one ever) and if he does it again tomorrow, why shouldn't he be fired using the logic around here?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 21, 2019, 10:42:00 PM
Heise, you're drunk. Go home.
I'll go watch SportsCenter
Quote from: Rick Majerus' Towel on March 21, 2019, 09:59:02 PM
So, in your opinion, the administration should fire him, watch everyone transfer and we can spend three years finishing 9th or 10th in the BE in hoops that some other unknown assistant with no experience or retread can how turn things around in another 5 years?
Think about how stupid you are and then delete your account.
I'm not saying they should fire the guy but with this logic, a program should never fire a bad coach out of fear of rebuilding. Thumbs up emoji.
Quote from: Rick Majerus' Towel on March 21, 2019, 10:43:30 PM
Wait ... this thread is about the lack of NCAA wins and you tell us his winning percentage? Irrelevant!
He lost as a 1-seed last year (only one ever) and if he does it again tomorrow, why shouldn't he be fired using the logic around here?
Actually it's about Marquette's upward trajectory and you're discussing UVA's coach. Delete your account and permaban yourself. Punch yourself in the forehead while you're at it ;D
Quote from: HowardsWorld on March 21, 2019, 10:00:59 PM
Jesmu, We are never going to see eye to eye on Wojo's coaching but I do respect you as a member here. I don't believe Wojo is that good of a coach but he is a good recruiter and should be getting more out of his players than he is. Even with tonights loss I would have said this was a successful season with a Big East Conference title but the way we played the last 7 games outside of St. Johns was truly a pathetic performance.
It just blows my mind the way we can never get defensive rebounds. Watching the game today it was like no matter where the shot bounced off the rim the MU player was never in the right position. Its literally impossible to always be on the wrong side of the hoop yet MU seemed to master that tonight and this whole season. I am as big a supporter of MU as the next guy and have had a passion for MU basketball since I was going to games in the late 90's but this team needs a leader and I don't believe its Wojo.
Please do tell me how the limp dick all white team to the west of us seem to find themselves in the s16 literally every year with a fraction of the talent that MU has?
Marquette was top 100 in Defensive Rebounding %. IIRC, they led the Big East this season. They also outrebounded Murray State on the offensive end 19-8. This game may have been deceiving because the offensive rebounds were unbalanced between the halves. MU only allowed 1 offensive board in the first half and then 7 in the second.
Quote from: Rick Majerus' Towel on March 21, 2019, 09:59:02 PM
So, in your opinion, the administration should fire him, watch everyone transfer and we can spend three years finishing 9th or 10th in the BE in hoops that some other unknown assistant with no experience or retread can how turn things around in another 5 years?
Think about how stupid you are and then delete your account.
You know that's really not what happens when there is a coaching change, right? Yeah, there's some transfers...but nothing that would deplete the roster the way it happened last time from Buzz.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 21, 2019, 10:46:42 PM
Marquette was top 100 in Defensive Rebounding %. IIRC, they led the Big East this season. They also outrebounded Murray State on the offensive end 19-8. This game may have been deceiving because the offensive rebounds were unbalanced between the halves. MU only allowed 1 offensive board in the first half and then 7 in the second.
Stop using stats, reason and logic. The trolls here want to make a$$es of themselves with stupid comments.
HowardsWorld, delete your account. You're too stupid to use the internet.
Actually ... keep your account ... go watch SportsCenter
Scoop is a magical place in the offseason
Quote from: Rick Majerus' Towel on March 21, 2019, 10:50:34 PM
Stop using stats, reason and logic. The trolls here want to make a$$es of themselves with stupid comments.
HowardsWorld, delete your account. You're too stupid to use the internet.
Appreciate the support but again, go home. You're drunk
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 21, 2019, 10:29:31 PM
So, in a situation where MU wins 25+ games next season, takes the big east conference regular season title outright, makes it to BET championship (and loses) and gets a 3 seed, but loses in the NCAAs... You'd fire him?
I wouldn't.
It's an interesting question. That would undoubtedly be a successful regular season by any measure.
However, the games that really matter are the ones in the NCAA tournament and they need to start winning them. Otherwise, what's the point?
Regular season conference championships are fun and all, but do you even remember who won the big east last year?
The bar next year should be Wojo wins an NCAA tourney game or should be fired.
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 21, 2019, 10:20:51 PM
It's easy to see, but hard to replicate. They have a system, an identity. Guys know their roles and they do it well. They also value the basketball, rarely over help on defense, and are in good positions which helps make up for their lack of foot speed.
MU does absolutely none of that well.
This. Bart talked about Wisconsin in their preview that they can't be as successful because the advantages that they used to have (limit TOs and opposing OReb), EVERYONE does now. Everyone except for MU.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 21, 2019, 10:16:26 PM
I believe a lot of our problems under wojo would be lessened if we had more "athletes" on the roster. I think wojo realized this after a season or 2 and so went and got Ike, Cain, Elliott. Now going after more of that mold. (Versus Hausers, Henry, etc).
With regards to this season (and the brutal finish over the last month+), I think fatigue, injuries and a short bench/capable depth proved fatal.
I can't explain how Wisconsin is successful without the athletes.
If wojo can rollover success from this season, into another successful 19-20 campaign and sell that to the potential (highly talented) 2020 recruits, I think we'll have a snowball effect with regards to roster talent in the long run. That's what I'm hoping for in the least.
If wojo also happens to significantly improve as a coach as well, then that's the best case scenario. Because I think you can have sustainable success with an average coach with top 75/100 talent. And you can have outstanding and sustainable success with a good/great coach + top 75/100 talent.
Yes. You are correct.
Quote from: MDMU04 on March 21, 2019, 10:52:28 PM
It's an interesting question. That would undoubtedly be a successful regular season by any measure.
However, the games that really matter are the ones in the NCAA tournament and they need to start winning them. Otherwise, what's the point?
Regular season conference championships are fun and all, but do you even remember who won the big east last year?
Xavier won the regular season and Villanova the tournament.
Different strokes for different folks. I value regular season results over postseason when judging a coach. I've found that winning consistently in the regular season leads to postseason results, even if it doesn't happen right away. I think deep postseason runs not backed by consistent regular season success are more likely to be indicators of flash in the pan types like Porter Moser, John Groce, Shaka Smart, Andy Enfield.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 21, 2019, 11:13:00 PM
Xavier won the regular season and Villanova the tournament.
Different strokes for different folks. I value regular season results over postseason when judging a coach. I've found that winning consistently in the regular season leads to postseason results, even if it doesn't happen right away. I think deep postseason runs not backed by consistent regular season success are more likely to be indicators of flash in the pan types like Porter Moser, John Groce, Shaka Smart, Andy Enfield.
You can debate what's best... Regular season, conference tournament, NCAA. But heading into year 6, it is time for something.
Quote from: RJax55 on March 21, 2019, 11:16:22 PM
You can debate what's best... Regular season, conference tournament, NCAA. But heading into year 6, it is time for something.
I don't see it that way. I was willing to give Wojo time to rebuild. He has. Expectations moving forward are NCAA virtually every year, high seeds most years, sweet 16 or better every few years.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 21, 2019, 09:45:18 PM
Big fan of our program. I love this roster. I'm very pleased with the trajectory of MU basketball. Looking forward to continued success. Here's hoping the administration will give wojo an extension this off-season to lock down the 2020 class where we appear to be in great position with top talent.
Trajectory of the program?? We were just humiliated on the first day of The Big Dance by a mid-major.
Frankly, I would rather not get invited than to be shamed on the National Stage as we have been under Wojo. The man has made the tournament twice and in the event he dishonored the Marquette name by being not just unprepared but wholly non-competitive.
In classical Rome or medieval Japan a disgraced leader would fall on his sword after such an abysmal performance.
Rewarding Wojo for the embarrassment of this March is imprudently ill-advised. I find the very thought of remunerating such shameful performance hateful.
For those familiar with the Mike Deane era, how does Wojo's tenure thus far compare? It looks like Deane had five seasons and two NCAA appearances. I'm guessing Deane started with more talent. I think I've heard recruiting was an issue with Deane. At the five year mark, Deane has the better winning percentage and marginally more tourney success. Not trying to prove any sort of point, honestly just asking for some perspective from those older than myself.
Quote from: Oregon Warrior on March 21, 2019, 11:42:32 PM
For those familiar with the Mike Deane era, how does Wojo's tenure thus far compare? It looks like Deane had five seasons and two NCAA appearances. I'm guessing Deane started with more talent. I think I've heard recruiting was an issue with Deane. At the five year mark, Deane has the better winning percentage and marginally more tourney success. Not trying to prove any sort of point, honestly just asking for some perspective from those older than myself.
Five years in the overall results are similar, but the story is different. Deane had success early on with KO guys, but the program was falling at the end. Recruiting was the big issue.
Quote from: Oregon Warrior on March 21, 2019, 11:42:32 PM
For those familiar with the Mike Deane era, how does Wojo's tenure thus far compare? It looks like Deane had five seasons and two NCAA appearances. I'm guessing Deane started with more talent. I think I've heard recruiting was an issue with Deane. At the five year mark, Deane has the better winning percentage and marginally more tourney success. Not trying to prove any sort of point, honestly just asking for some perspective from those older than myself.
Deano's trajectory was decidedly downward precisely because he wasn't all that interested in recruiting. Once he lost KO's players the winning became harder.
It could be argued that Wojo's has made progress from whence he came but the last month, including today's humiliation at the hands of mid-major, is a telling punctuation to an other shameful end.
Wojo is in over his head. Basta!
Quote from: Oregon Warrior on March 21, 2019, 11:42:32 PM
For those familiar with the Mike Deane era, how does Wojo's tenure thus far compare? It looks like Deane had five seasons and two NCAA appearances. I'm guessing Deane started with more talent. I think I've heard recruiting was an issue with Deane. At the five year mark, Deane has the better winning percentage and marginally more tourney success. Not trying to prove any sort of point, honestly just asking for some perspective from those older than myself.
Deans inherited a team coming off the Sweet 16 with Hutch coming in. 2 NBA draft picks who were freshmen in 93-94 in Crawford and Amal. He rode them and the 96 and 97 teams were incredibly talented. The talent level left by KO dropped off and Deane's last recruiting class was just the #18 player in Indiana. Wojo has upgraded talent. Bart Miller, Polo, Clausen, Mueller. Great students and kids but not D1 players.
He does get credit for Wardle and the Cordell/Harris/Olumna/Diggs class of 2002 but it was too little too late.
Correct, comparing Deane to Wojo is completely incorrect. Wojo is light years ahead of Deane at this point in their tenures. Next year will be incredibly good if we get a point guard. Deane had zero chance at reaching an NCAA tournament at the end of his stewardship let alone getting blown out in an MCAA game.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 21, 2019, 11:56:17 PM
Wojo has upgraded talent.
Compared with what? There is no comparison between Weird Bert's classes and Wojo's. Bert brought in phenomenal talent that was top of the pack competitive in the Old Big East and made deep runs in The Dance.
Buzzard's talent level dropped because of Pilarz and Williams.
But to compare the talent level of Wojo's recruits with Buzz' is laughable.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 21, 2019, 11:28:30 PM
I don't see it that way. I was willing to give Wojo time to rebuild. He has. Expectations moving forward are NCAA virtually every year, high seeds most years, sweet 16 or better every few years.
Just a few years ago, there was plenty of chatter here talking about Wojo's 2018-2019 season. Year five, the pieces in place, his guys, etc. The expectations started this year.
Well, here we are. Sadly it was a season that completely fell apart at the end. The disturbing part is that it was much more than just one poor performance, bad matchup or bad break.
Next year is the year. No further excuses. You will not have to wait long. If you cannot see that he needs one more year you are short sighted.
Quote from: Rick Majerus' Towel on March 21, 2019, 09:59:02 PM
So, in your opinion, the administration should fire him, watch everyone transfer and we can spend three years finishing 9th or 10th in the BE in hoops that some other unknown assistant with no experience or retread can how turn things around in another 5 years?
Think about how stupid you are and then delete your account.
First, I firmly believe Wojo gets another year and earns hopefully more.
Second, your post is stupid. The idea that "everyone " will transfer is ignorant and speaks to what you think about Marquette. MU is a great university. the players may come primarily for a coach but not only for the coach. Name me one time every player transferred after a coaching change?
Please go hate on another University. Real fans know how great we are.
Quote from: Jon on March 22, 2019, 12:05:48 AM
Compared with what? There is no comparison between Weird Bert's classes and Wojo's. Bert brought in phenomenal talent that was top of the pack competitive in the Old Big East and made deep runs in The Dance.
Buzzard's talent level dropped because of Pilarz and Williams.
But to compare the talent level of Wojo's recruits with Buzz' is laughable.
Helps the talent look markedly better when you can scheme to your strengths on the court and construct a balanced roster hey?
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 21, 2019, 09:45:18 PM
Big fan of our program. I love this roster. I'm very pleased with the trajectory of MU basketball. Looking forward to continued success. Here's hoping the administration will give wojo an extension this off-season to lock down the 2020 class where we appear to be in great position with top talent.
Nice spin for an absurd opinion.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on March 21, 2019, 09:49:12 PM
Couldn't disagree more. He has shown literally nothing over the 5 years he has been here. Regular season means absolutely nothing after the colossal collapse. It was not even a game tonight they were simply run out of the freaking building. Embarrassing for the program to be honest.
It is embarrassing. There are lots of people laughing about that blowout.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 21, 2019, 10:29:31 PM
So, in a situation where MU wins 25+ games next season, takes the big east conference regular season title outright, makes it to BET championship (and loses) and gets a 3 seed, but loses in the NCAAs... You'd fire him?
I wouldn't.
Lots of wishful dreaming here
Wash rinse, tepeat.
Quote from: MDMU04 on March 21, 2019, 10:52:28 PM
It's an interesting question. That would undoubtedly be a successful regular season by any measure.
However, the games that really matter are the ones in the NCAA tournament and they need to start winning them. Otherwise, what's the point?
Regular season conference championships are fun and all, but do you even remember who won the big east last year?
I would if we had won it, and that's all that matters. (BTW, X reg season, Nova tournament)
Quote from: Jon on March 21, 2019, 11:39:37 PM
In classical Rome or medieval Japan a disgraced leader would fall on his sword after such an abysmal performance.
Wow. I'm down on Wojo, but am not going to call for ritualized suicide. I'm out. Have a summer people.
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 21, 2019, 10:34:49 PM
If he can't win in the tourney with next year's team he doesn't have much hope as a coach
Which tourney?
This game to me perfectly illustrated why MU will not win anything of significance with Markus as our point guard. Morant is obviously very skilled individually, but he also made his teammates better. Markus does not. He doesn't do anything but constantly try to score himself. The only time he stops dribbling or passes the ball is when the defense makes him. I know he averaged 4 assists per game. But the team doesn't really function as a team like MSU did and it's not even really close. Their offense was a clinic compared to ours.
I don't expect us to be much (if any) better next year since Markus is still going to be playing 30+ a game and have the ball in his hands mos of that time.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 21, 2019, 10:16:26 PM
I believe a lot of our problems under wojo would be lessened if we had more "athletes" on the roster. I think wojo realized this after a season or 2 and so went and got Ike, Cain, Elliott. Now going after more of that mold. (Versus Hausers, Henry, etc).
With regards to this season (and the brutal finish over the last month+), I think fatigue, injuries and a short bench/capable depth proved fatal.
I can't explain how Wisconsin is successful without the athletes.
If wojo can rollover success from this season, into another successful 19-20 campaign and sell that to the potential (highly talented) 2020 recruits, I think we'll have a snowball effect with regards to roster talent in the long run. That's what I'm hoping for in the least.
If wojo also happens to significantly improve as a coach as well, then that's the best case scenario. Because I think you can have sustainable success with an average coach with top 75/100 talent. And you can have outstanding and sustainable success with a good/great coach + top 75/100 talent.
UW is successful because they consistently "coach up" their roster. MSU has 4-5 star talent but Izzo and hi staff must "coach up" their roster as well. If you don't get 4 and 5 star talent successfully, you better have a staff who can coach. Pretty simple.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 21, 2019, 10:16:26 PM
I believe a lot of our problems under wojo would be lessened if we had more "athletes" on the roster. I think wojo realized this after a season or 2 and so went and got Ike, Cain, Elliott. Now going after more of that mold. (Versus Hausers, Henry, etc).
With regards to this season (and the brutal finish over the last month+), I think fatigue, injuries and a short bench/capable depth proved fatal.
I can't explain how Wisconsin is successful without the athletes.
If wojo can rollover success from this season, into another successful 19-20 campaign and sell that to the potential (highly talented) 2020 recruits, I think we'll have a snowball effect with regards to roster talent in the long run. That's what I'm hoping for in the least.
If wojo also happens to significantly improve as a coach as well, then that's the best case scenario. Because I think you can have sustainable success with an average coach with top 75/100 talent. And you can have outstanding and sustainable success with a good/great coach + top 75/100 talent.
The most sensible thing said over the last 24 hours. Agreed completely.
Quote from: connie on March 22, 2019, 07:23:29 AM
Wow. I'm down on Wojo, but am not going to call for ritualized suicide. I'm out. Have a summer people.
Nobody is calling for ritualized suicide.
It's about accountability and responsibility. College coaches don't commit seppuku. They get fired.
Quote from: Jon on March 22, 2019, 12:24:52 PM
It's about accountability and responsibility. College coaches don't commit seppuku. They get fired.
I've asked elsewhere but I'll ask again. Who was the last coach to get fired after earning a 5 seed without their being an off the court issue?
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 21, 2019, 09:45:18 PM
Big fan of our program. I love this roster. I'm very pleased with the trajectory of MU basketball. Looking forward to continued success. Here's hoping the administration will give wojo an extension this off-season to lock down the 2020 class where we appear to be in great position with top talent.
Is MU basketball trajectory upward or downward sloping? Please plot the win/loss data and let the board know what you think.
I'm as pissed as everyone about the epic collapse, but as Jesmu84 points out, the trajectory is positive. Did anyone ever think we would be ranked in the Top 10 at all this year? I mean come on that's something! Granted it's rendered meaningless after what happened yesterday and clearly they were overrated but that they achieved it at all is not insignificant. While expectations were definitely high at the start of the season, I don't recall anyone on here claiming we were anything close to a top 10 team. I also think Greg's absence this year probably had a greater impact than we'd all like to admit. That kid is a baller! Without him we have no transition game whatsoever and his speed and athleticism certainly would have come in handy down the stretch. Not saying we'd have been undefeated but 2-2 or even 1-3 is better than 0-4. Given Greg's absence and lack of a true PG, I think this team performed about as well as reasonably expected under the circumstances. If the record were the same but the losses spread out more, the vitriol routinely expressed here would be more measured.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 22, 2019, 12:27:48 PM
I've asked elsewhere but I'll ask again. Who was the last coach to get fired after earning a 5 seed without their being an off the court issue?
JTIII?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 22, 2019, 12:27:48 PM
I've asked elsewhere but I'll ask again. Who was the last coach to get fired after earning a 5 seed without their being an off the court issue?
Spot on TAMU. I'm not a big poster, but love to keep up with this site. I really appreciate the insight from most of you, especially if you are close to the program. Helps for those of us out of reach.
I remember how everyone was disappointed with Al in '77 after the 6 losses (Michigan was the 7th on the day Al got the bid), and I really don't think hindsight proves they were right (gentle sarcasm). Yes, we're all disappointed with losing in the opening round this year. I wish we were a little healthier (I think Markus is worse off than indicated), and deeper (Greg out was painful for the guard position). We really had no point all season. We exhausted our guards. We had to use a forward at the point in one game. Kudos to Markus for trying, but he's a shooter, and also human (really ... I heard that somewhere).
We return next year with all five starters, plus Greg and Kobe (unproven, but looks to be a significant improvement). It should give a lot more options to Wojo, and a lot more energy at the end of the year. I don't think Markus is going to the NBA this year. Also, there is one new guy coming in, and a potential in Ike (he's looking pretty healthy to me). I'm not on the inside, and I'm by no means an expert. I do know leadership. I've worked with the best. I think Wojo has what it takes to be long term. That said, if not, he won't be easy to replace. I don't see a lot of hot prospects out there. No next coming of Coach K or Wooden banging on our door. Guess what? There won't be. It takes years to become one of those guys. Jay Wright's best success has been in the last 5 years. If I was an expert, I'd be coaching Duke, but the reality is we need to run with Wojo for a while. My gut says he's good.
For those that laugh at us for losing to Murray State, the reality is they were way under seeded. That was one of the best guards I've seen at the college level in a long time (Doc Rivers?). He was a deadly passer that can drive and shoot. Who has someone who can lock him down? I don't hold this against anyone at Marquette. The teasing started right away in my case (starting to hate my Nova friends), and in each case, I praised Murray State. They were a good
team. They had an incredible superstar that made them work as a team.
I loved watching our team make a run, and am a proud fan. They'll make a run at the Big East title next year for certain, and the competition will only be tougher. As I mentioned earlier, I think they'll have enough to get there.
See you guys on the flip side. Stay civil. We all love the place, so keep it classy!