Is it time to boycott the BIG EAST TOURNAMENT.
The tournament is all about selling tickets and filling seats. The T.V. contract is another matter and settled.
If the final four teams were Marquette, DePaul, Creighton and Butler or Xavaier, how many fans would be at the Garden?
It is all about the local teams, the Big East Five, GT. SH. SJU, V, AND P.
Call me a cynic, I'll accept that or prove me wrong.
I understand that we have nowhere to go other than the NCAA tournament, I'll take that. At heart we are still an independent.
I emailed Commissioner Val letting know it is becoming nearly unwatchable due to such poor, um, "officiating". About all I'm willing to commit in terms of my time. I hope MU formally challenges officiating as a whole in BEast to effect positive change.
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Weak bull puckey. MU fans (rightfully) feel hosed by the officiating and your solution is boycott the Big East tourney. Frustration trumps reason.
Vogue, I thought your post was silly. Then I reflected on how the eastern teams both got some home cooking last night. We were at the other end from the fracas and were screened. Those at home got a far better view. We like to come to NYC to see family members, but I do think there is a bias to promote what you referred to. I may rethink attending next year.
Interesting theory. Assuming Marquette is top 2 in the conference next year (I know big assumption) it would make quite the statement to boycott. I don't necessarily agree with the idea, but it would make quite the statement.
Where are the guys with the data? What are the stats?
There is more than enough data to see bias, if in fact one exists.
In the city we say, "business is business", is that what is going on?
BTW, I live in New Jersey and would not go another Seton Hall game if you paid me.
I know MU enjoys selling tickets to the toirnament and that the program enjoys $$$$ from the sales, but pride and character trumps money. We are Marquette and not second class cousin's from Wisconsin.
Seriously. Boycotting because we arent good enough to beat a team with bad reffing added in the mix?????
We missed a crap ton of free throws that could have iced the game for us. Our star did not perform like a true star. We couldnt hit open shots down the stretch.
You get boycotting from that????? ThAt is the equivalent of a kid on the playground taking his ball and going home.
We are an OK team this year. Not a great team. And last few weeks aside from one glimmer of hope we are really a sub par team. If we have more than 2 games left that would be a shock.
You missed the point. What about the past 8 years of playing at "The Garden"?
Quote from: Mike Deane's Seat Belt on March 16, 2019, 09:51:55 AM
Seriously. Boycotting because we arent good enough to beat a team with bad reffing added in the mix?????
We missed a crap ton of free throws that could have iced the game for us. Our star did not perform like a true star. We couldnt hit open shots down the stretch.
You get boycotting from that????? ThAt is the equivalent of a kid on the playground taking his ball and going home.
We are an OK team this year. Not a great team. And last few weeks aside from one glimmer of hope we are really a sub par team. If we have more than 2 games left that would be a shock.
Our star was hurt, our two best players kicked out when they were shutting down their best player.....but you, the diehard fan, says nothing about that. You, the diehard fan, ignores it completely as if it didn't even happen.
Die...hard
I support the boycott.
Anecdotally, this morning, 2 distant family members who do not watch much college basketball, called to tell me the game was rigged. One of them is indifferent to college basketball and could care less about Marquette (was actually calling to laugh at me).
Irrespective of whether you believe the BET is fixed. Last night's game was a black eye for the conference.
Quote from: tower912 on March 16, 2019, 08:07:06 AM
Weak bull puckey. MU fans (rightfully) feel hosed by the officiating and your solution is boycott the Big East tourney. Frustration trumps reason.
Agree. Beyond stupid. We lost the game, move on. Team should be pissed off and angry for NCAA. I like that setup. We are hardly the first team that has had bad calls. To think we should boycott is childish.
If the casino is rigged, why play.
Quote from: warriorfred on March 16, 2019, 09:58:57 AM
I support the boycott.
Anecdotally, this morning, 2 distant family members who do not watch much college basketball, called to tell me the game was rigged. One of them is indifferent to college basketball and could care less about Marquette (was actually calling to laugh at me).
Irrespective of whether you believe the BET is fixed. Last night's game was a black eye for the conference.
An analysis of the record will show a pattern of bias, or not.
Quote from: warriorfred on March 16, 2019, 10:03:53 AM
If the casino is rigged, why play.
And yet casinos continue to make piles of cash....
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Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 16, 2019, 10:05:05 AM
And yet casinos continue to make piles of cash....
Don't change the subject.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 16, 2019, 10:05:05 AM
And yet casinos continue to make piles of cash....
So true. Next year I'll take my interest elsewhere for the week between the end of the season and the NCAA Tournament.
Quote from: vogue65 on March 16, 2019, 10:05:51 AM
Don't change the subject.
I didn't change it; I was responding to another post. Scream at the guy who brought up casinos.
Quote from: warriorfred on March 16, 2019, 10:06:42 AM
So true. Next year I'll take my interest elsewhere for the week between the end of the season and the NCAA Tournament.
Well said, that so far makes a half dozen of us.
Quote from: vogue65 on March 16, 2019, 10:11:03 AM
Well said, that so far makes a half dozen of us.
Add-in 2 of my friends. We were planning for next year's BET before last night's game.
Quote from: warriorfred on March 16, 2019, 10:12:49 AM
Add-in 2 of my friends. We were planning for next year's BET before last night's game.
I have a plan for next year. Use the season to be highly ranked, go to "The Garden" for their bogus tournament and play our second team and practice new plays. Use it as a warm up game for our deep run in the NCAA, a real tournament. Don't risk our physical or mental assets.
Quote from: vogue65 on March 16, 2019, 10:18:29 AM
I have a plan for next year. Use the season to be highly ranked, go to "The Garden" for their bogus tournament and play our second team and practice new plays. Use it as a warm up game for our deep run in the NCAA, a real tournament. Don't risk our physical or mental assets.
Agree, let the Big East Commissioners get their dream SJU - Villanova match-up for ticket sales, and Marquette can use the extra week for NCAA Tourney practice.
Quote from: warriorfred on March 16, 2019, 10:23:26 AM
Agree, let the Big East Commissioners get their dream SJU - Villanova match-up for ticket sales, and Marquette can use the extra week for NCAA Tourney practice.
Right on bro.
Kind of reminds me of the Great Midwest Conference deciding every tournament should be in Dayton. I always thought it was strange that the Great Midwest Conference wanted Dayton to be the face of the conference.
The Big East is a cabal, T.V., the Garden, NYC clout, old Big East delusions.
This is not Scoop's finest hour.
MU got jobbed last night, but absolutely had dozens of chances to win, and remove it from the hands of the refs. MU made two buckets in the final 10 minutes of the game. TWO. MU missed crucial free throws and rebounds, and their best offensive player hit shots when ours went 1 for freaking 15.
MU lost because .. they consistently underperform in the BET. There is no conspiracy.
This season .. and many others .. Marquette is the Charlie Brown of the Big East. Lucy pulled the ball ~6 games ago.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 16, 2019, 10:37:03 AM
This is not Scoop's finest hour.
MU got jobbed last night, but absolutely had dozens of chances to win, and remove it from the hands of the refs. MU made two buckets in the final 10 minutes of the game. TWO. MU missed crucial free throws and rebounds, and their best offensive player hit shots when ours went 1 for freaking 15.
MU lost because .. they consistently underperform in the BET. There is no conspiracy.
This season .. and many others .. Marquette is the Charlie Brown of the Big East. Lucy pulled the ball ~6 games ago.
Myopic at best.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 16, 2019, 10:37:03 AM
This is not Scoop's finest hour.
MU got jobbed last night, but absolutely had dozens of chances to win, and remove it from the hands of the refs. MU made two buckets in the final 10 minutes of the game. TWO. MU missed crucial free throws and rebounds, and their best offensive player hit shots when ours went 1 for freaking 15.
MU lost because .. they consistently underperform in the BET. There is no conspiracy.
This season .. and many others .. Marquette is the Charlie Brown of the Big East. Lucy pulled the ball ~6 games ago.
Team's top scorer was 1-15. Tough to overcome that dismal shooting percentage from your top guy. Just a rough night for Markus to have his worst shooting game all year.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 16, 2019, 10:37:03 AM
This season .. and many others .. Marquette is the Charlie Brown of the Big East. Lucy pulled the ball ~6 games ago.
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Quote from: 79Warrior on March 16, 2019, 10:39:49 AM
Team's top scorer was 1-15. Tough to overcome that dismal shooting percentage from your top guy. Just a rough night for Markus to have his worst shooting game all year.
Are all the guys and gals with thousands of posts short cited? It is about the ejections, the calls and no calls, the thug atmosphere. It is the Big East, NYC brand. Watch what happens to the SH thugs in the NCAA tournament where there are different standards.
Quote from: vogue65 on March 16, 2019, 10:46:26 AM
Are all the guys and gals with thousands of posts short cited? It is about the ejections, the calls and no calls, the thug atmosphere. It is the Big East, NYC brand. Watch what happens to the SH thugs in the NCAA tournament where there are different standards.
I get it. This is BE basketball and has been for decades. We lost, it sucks. Move on and play the next game.
There is plenty of locker room motivation for Wojo to put up as we prepare for the NCAA's. I suspect MU will be plenty angry and ready to play this Thursday or Friday.
Quote from: warriorfred on March 16, 2019, 10:23:26 AM
Agree, let the Big East Commissioners get their dream SJU - Villanova match-up for ticket sales, and Marquette can use the extra week for NCAA Tourney practice.
You realize the Final is sold out, right? I doubt the Big East really thinks that Seton Hall is significantly better for ratings than Marquette.
The east coast teams do have a home court advantage, though. Studies have shown that referees, whether they mean to or not, tend to slightly favor the home team. I doubt any refereeing issues are any more nefarious than that.
By the way, our BET tournament records against the other teams:
Saint John's 5-0
Seton Hall 2-2
DePaul 1-0
Providence 1-0
West Virginia 1-0
Notre Dame 1-1
Villanova 1-3
Georgetown 0-2
Louisville 0-2
Pittsburgh 0-2
Xavier 0-2
If it weren't for Saint John's are BET record would be truly abysmal.
Quote from: CTWarrior on March 16, 2019, 11:03:12 AM
You realize the Final is sold out, right? I doubt the Big East really thinks that Seton Hall is significantly better for ratings than Marquette.
The east coast teams do have a home court advantage, though. Studies have shown that referees, whether they mean to or not, tend to slightly favor the home team. I doubt any refereeing issues are any more nefarious than that.
By the way, our BET tournament records against the other teams:
Saint John's 5-0
Seton Hall 2-2
DePaul 1-0
Providence 1-0
West Virginia 1-0
Notre Dame 1-1
Villanova 1-3
Georgetown 0-2
Louisville 0-2
Pittsburgh 0-2
Xavier 0-2
If it weren't for Saint John's are BET record would be truly abysmal.
As the girls would say, "OMG".
Why the Old BE.
Let's see some analysis from a pro.
The biggest beef we have is that Theo or Sacar did no where near enough t be ejected. I liked Wojo's comment that it is time to breathe some fresh air!
Quote from: Marqevans on March 16, 2019, 11:13:54 AM
The biggest beef we have is that Theo or Sacar did no where near enough t be ejected. I liked Wojo's comment that it is time to breathe some fresh air!
Hurah!
Quote from: CTWarrior on March 16, 2019, 11:03:12 AM
You realize the Final is sold out, right? I doubt the Big East really thinks that Seton Hall is significantly better for ratings than Marquette.
Yes, but people in seats and tickets sold...having east coast teams in final means butts are in seats. I don't think anyone will deny this....less risk.
Now, I'm not saying rigged because I don't believe that, but refs do act differently under a "home crowd" and that's what last night was and will continue to be with fan bases from east coast dominating the stands. Scorecasting does a great job analyzing how refs call games for home teams, which last night was the case.
My point is that if both teams in the final were midwest teams it would be embarrassing. Yes, a few thousand loyal diehards would be there, but the rest of the big east would not be in their seats, V., P, SH, SJU, and GT would be no shows. It would not be good for TV or the brand.
Denial of how we are treated is amazing.
So you really think the referees are instructed to favor the eastern teams? If not, what are you saying?
At any rate, you are right about the eastern teams doing well against the midwestern teams. By my count, they are 19-8 against the Midwestern teams, 13-5 as the better seed and 6-3 as the worse seed.
Quote from: CTWarrior on March 16, 2019, 12:48:51 PM
So you really think the referees are instructed to favor the eastern teams? If not, what are you saying?
At any rate, you are right about the eastern teams doing well against the midwestern teams. By my count, they are 19-8 against the Midwestern teams, 13-5 as the better seed and 6-3 as the worse seed.
Fantastic book, scholarly analysis. Instructed to favor? Nope. Psychologically influenced to make calls by home crowds....absolutely.....years of data showing how refs act. Millions of data points.
https://www.amazon.com/Scorecasting-Hidden-Influences-Behind-Sports/dp/0307591808/ref=asc_df_0307591808/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312057593249&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=10822954703801815951&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031056&hvtargid=pla-449291221893&psc=1
"I love this book. If I told you why, the NBA would fine me again."
—Mark Cuban, owner of the Dallas Mavericks
"Freakonomics meets Moneyball"
—The Wall Street Journal
Quote from: Cheeks on March 16, 2019, 01:03:42 PM
Fantastic book, scholarly analysis. Instructed to favor? Nope. Psychologically influenced to make calls by home crowds....absolutely.....years of data showing how refs act. Millions of data points.
https://www.amazon.com/Scorecasting-Hidden-Influences-Behind-Sports/dp/0307591808/ref=asc_df_0307591808/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312057593249&hvpos=1o1&hvnetw=g&hvrand=10822954703801815951&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9031056&hvtargid=pla-449291221893&psc=1
"I love this book. If I told you why, the NBA would fine me again."
—Mark Cuban, owner of the Dallas Mavericks
"Freakonomics meets Moneyball"
—The Wall Street Journal
This I agree with. We deal with the normal road team officiating issues. Nothing sinister, though.
Quote from: CTWarrior on March 16, 2019, 01:26:42 PM
This I agree with. We deal with the normal road team officiating issues. Nothing sinister, though.
Yup
I don't think there is any conspiracy here. The officiating just sucks. Simple as that.
And it can be expected to suck when John Cahill is in charge of Big East officials.
Officiating sucked overall but can't say we lost because of that. Howard got his first field goal with 10 minutes left to put us up by 6. Should have been an easy win at that point. Even with 2 gift technicals against SHU we go 1-11 from the field from there and miss 9 free throws, many by Howard. Sure, stay home and pout next year and see if anyone cares.
Instead of the boycott I would prefer the passive agressive approach. Send only walk-on's to all BE media events, next years' award ceremony will have video acceptance instead of in-person, post game press conference is only Wojo, etc...
Quote from: TheGym on March 16, 2019, 02:44:45 PM
Instead of the boycott I would prefer the passive agressive approach. Send only walk-on's to all BE media events, next years' award ceremony will have video acceptance instead of in-person, post game press conference is only Wojo, etc...
Great idea, now we are being creative.
We have two issues:
1. What happened? I think we all agree on that.
2. Why? On that question we don't agree.
As the numbers come trickling in it seems there is an anomaly. Something is up. I would never say the refs fixed the games, they just let it happen. If it is happening , then I simply ask, why?
Quote from: vogue65 on March 16, 2019, 03:56:48 PM
Great idea, now we are being creative.
We have two issues:
1. What happened? I think we all agree on that.
2. Why? On that question we don't agree.
As the numbers come trickling in it seems there is an anomaly. Something is up. I would never say the refs fixed the games, they just let it happen. If it is happening , then I simply ask, why?
I'll go there. I believe it was fixed. Butts in the seat for the BET are the only concern for the Big East commissioners.
When in doubt, grab some tin foil, put it on your head and shout, "Conspiracy theory!"
Quote from: MU82 on March 16, 2019, 04:17:04 PM
When in doubt, grab some tin foil, put it on your head and shout, "Conspiracy theory!"
There is nothing wrong with a good conspiracy and you don't need a hat. To be a conspiracy it has to be a secret, in this case it is all out in the open. All we have to do is connect the dots, and not the tin foil.
There is no conspiracy. It's a fact, the Big East exists for the original members. The newer members are there for numbers.
Quote from: warriorfred on March 16, 2019, 05:09:54 PM
There is no conspiracy. It's a fact, the Big East exists for the original members. The newer members are there for numbers.
Ummm. That is a conspiracy. Duh!
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 16, 2019, 10:37:03 AM
This is not Scoop's finest hour.
MU got jobbed last night, but absolutely had dozens of chances to win, and remove it from the hands of the refs. MU made two buckets in the final 10 minutes of the game. TWO. MU missed crucial free throws and rebounds, and their best offensive player hit shots when ours went 1 for freaking 15.
MU lost because .. they consistently underperform in the BET. There is no conspiracy.
This season .. and many others .. Marquette is the Charlie Brown of the Big East. Lucy pulled the ball ~6 games ago.
Have a Sandwich.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 16, 2019, 08:08:30 PM
Ummm. That is a conspiracy. Duh!
A conspiracy is a secret. There was nothing secret about the game. It was fixed.
Didn't see the game. How were refs in Nova/SH game? Did they want Nova to win?
Just saw foul shots were Nova 26, SH 11.
The leadership of the new Big East is not competent enough to rig the tournament.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 16, 2019, 08:55:40 PM
It's been 20 hours of non-stop Arby's.
Hallelujah Arby's!
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Folks, I suspect part of Marquette's membership in the Big East requires they show up for the Big East tournament.
But here's a novel idea: Why not move the tournament around? It's fine to have it in the Garden when all of the teams were located within about 250 miles of MSG. But with a conference that extends from Providence to Omaha, does it make sense to have the tournament in New York City, which is central to whom?
Does TV need the Garden as a backdrop? I doubt it. Why not play the tournament in Philadelphia, Washington, Chicago, Cincinnati etc. I'll betcha they'd be happy to host at the Computing Castle!
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 16, 2019, 11:38:39 PM
Folks, I suspect part of Marquette's membership in the Big East requires they show up for the Big East tournament.
But here's a novel idea: Why not move the tournament around? It's fine to have it in the Garden when all of the teams were located within about 250 miles of MSG. But with a conference that extends from Providence to Omaha, does it make sense to have the tournament in New York City, which is central to whom?
Does TV need the Garden as a backdrop? I doubt it. Why not play the tournament in Philadelphia, Washington, Chicago, Cincinnati etc. I'll betcha they'd be happy to host at the Computing Castle!
One of the requirements when the old Big East fell apart was the be BE keep the Garden for the tournament. There's a reason the Big Ten and ACC want to get into MSG for their tournaments so badly. It's NYC. NYC is the BET Tourney. 37 years, and one poorly officiated game means we have to move it? Did anyone else go to Cincy in the CUSAV tourney days? No thanks.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 17, 2019, 12:53:21 AM
One of the requirements when the old Big East fell apart was the be BE keep the Garden for the tournament. There's a reason the Big Ten and ACC want to get into MSG for their tournaments so badly. It's NYC. NYC is the BET Tourney. 37 years, and one poorly officiated game means we have to move it? Did anyone else go to Cincy in the CUSAV tourney days? No thanks.
I'm a "New Yorker" born in Long Island City, I know first hand the New York mentality, (as Billy Joel would say, state of mind) and that's why I got out and went to Milwaukee.
One of the issues is the appearance of impropriety. The midwest teams are considered interlopers.
Poor reffing is not an accident it is a decision.
Quote from: warriorfred on March 16, 2019, 08:20:08 PM
A conspiracy is a secret. There was nothing secret about the game. It was fixed.
I stand corrected. Well said.
Quote from: TheGym on March 16, 2019, 02:44:45 PM
Instead of the boycott I would prefer the passive agressive approach. Send only walk-on's to all BE media events, next years' award ceremony will have video acceptance instead of in-person, post game press conference is only Wojo, etc...
Love passive agressive when you can't be honest. Buzz showed us how to work passive agressive to a T.
He stared down the BOT, Athletic Director and President, mailed in a season, left the cupboard bare and took a recruit. My man!
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 16, 2019, 10:37:03 AM
This is not Scoop's finest hour.
This thread makes game threads look good.
Quote from: Archies Bat on March 17, 2019, 07:18:10 AM
This thread makes game threads look good.
Pitty, keep drinking the Kool-Aid.
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 16, 2019, 11:38:39 PM
Folks, I suspect part of Marquette's membership in the Big East requires they show up for the Big East tournament.
But here's a novel idea: Why not move the tournament around? It's fine to have it in the Garden when all of the teams were located within about 250 miles of MSG. But with a conference that extends from Providence to Omaha, does it make sense to have the tournament in New York City, which is central to whom?
Does TV need the Garden as a backdrop? I doubt it. Why not play the tournament in Philadelphia, Washington, Chicago, Cincinnati etc. I'll betcha they'd be happy to host at the Computing Castle!
Because it's part of the brand of the conference. They aren't moving the tournament - at least for the next decade. Marquette isn't boycotting it. There is no conspiracy. Friday's game wasn't fixed.
Y'all sound like a bunch of loons.
Uh-huh. Right.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 17, 2019, 08:39:25 AM
Because it's part of the brand of the conference. They aren't moving the tournament - at least for the next decade. Marquette isn't boycotting it. There is no conspiracy. Friday's game wasn't fixed.
Y'all sound like a bunch of loons.
I'm 99% sure it was not fixed but I used to believe 100% that NBA games weren't fixed. We all know how that played out.
Quote from: vogue65 on March 17, 2019, 07:56:17 AM
Pitty, keep drinking the Kool-Aid.
What Kool-Aid? The Kool-Aid that says boycotting is a anger-driven whacky idea?
Please consider Xanax. Some posters who are normally very reasonable going a little off the rails here.
Boycotting is such a loser's mentality.
We did get screwed over by the refs on the ejections. Fine. We had more than enough opportunity to take this game. We lost it at the foul line. Our star was getting a foul call at the end of the game with any contact. Missed free throws and was absolutely horrible from the field along with the rest of our team.
Hero ball killed us once again. Helped along by a good dose of cold shooting and a side of 2 solid role players ejected.
The game was not fixed by any means. A thug team baited us into a fight and the star player is going to get the benefit of the doubt in those cases over a guy that is a known hot head / enforcer (john).
Quote from: Archies Bat on March 17, 2019, 10:07:51 AM
What Kool-Aid? The Kool-Aid that says boycotting is a anger-driven whacky idea?
Please consider Xanax. Some posters who are normally very reasonable going a little off the rails here.
;D
Quote from: vogue65 on March 17, 2019, 04:44:10 AM
I'm a "New Yorker" born in Long Island City, I know first hand the New York mentality, (as Billy Joel would say, state of mind) and that's why I got out and went to Milwaukee.
One of the issues is the appearance of impropriety. The midwest teams are considered interlopers.
Poor reffing is not an accident it is a decision.
Midwesterners love to play the victim and invent an inferiority complex against the big bad "coastal elites."
There's no "fix." MU has more cashe than Providence and Seton Hall regionally and nationally and those seats were going to be full no matter who was matching up against Nova last night. The fact is Markus missed a bunch of free throws after questionable T's and touch fouls put him at the line and MU lost by 2.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 16, 2019, 10:37:03 AM
This is not Scoop's finest hour.
MU got jobbed last night, but absolutely had dozens of chances to win, and remove it from the hands of the refs. MU made two buckets in the final 10 minutes of the game. TWO. MU missed crucial free throws and rebounds, and their best offensive player hit shots when ours went 1 for freaking 15.
MU lost because .. they consistently underperform in the BET. There is no conspiracy.
You're trying to be the voice of reason in this Scoop Takes-filled thread? Nice try, my friend!
Down the stretch, Markus gets awarded 2 FTs every time he breathes. Plus, SH gets called for at least 2 borderline T's. But the anti-MU fix is in.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 17, 2019, 10:40:51 AM
Midwesterners love to play the victim and invent an inferiority complex against the big bad "coastal elites."
There's no "fix." MU has more cashe than Providence and Seton Hall regionally and nationally and those seats were going to be full no matter who was matching up against Nova last night. The fact is Markus missed a bunch of free throws after questionable T's and touch fouls put him at the line and MU lost by 2.
Except the postulator of this theory has roots in the East Coast...
Couple of my work pals are dire hard badger fans.
Even they declare we got hosed by the officiating decisions.
That said, put on the big boy pants and avow that with experience and success comes respect, and that includes from the refs.
Even with minimal 'improvement ', I'd be quite confident in predicting that guys like Theo won't be charged the same phantom fouls he gets at times as a result of officials being more familiar with this style and attempts to play within the rules.
Regarding MSG, it's the perfect venue for the big stage of the tournament.
Time to prove we belong there- get past this fiasco- the BE admins know quite clearly what we as fans as well as the Uni feel about the officiating- and effuse all the right reasons for not wanting to be in this type of situation again.
You can only control what you can and influence others from the success that results.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 17, 2019, 10:59:39 AM
Except the postulator of this theory has roots in the East Coast...
Yes. One of the more ignorant things I've read in a while
Quote from: Archies Bat on March 17, 2019, 10:07:51 AM
What Kool-Aid? The Kool-Aid that says boycotting is a anger-driven whacky idea?
Please consider Xanax. Some posters who are normally very reasonable going a little off the rails here.
O.K. Archie, what's your better idea?
Name calling does not qualify as a better idea.
Sending an e-mail to the BE commissioner is worthless.
Venting on Scoop is fun, but means nothing.
Violating the contract is a non-starter.
Waiting for the next sports news cycle is typical and trite.
Let it go, wear big boys pants, it happens all the time, s$$t happens, is cowardly.
What do you suggest that takes character?
What is your better suggestion that makes a difference, gets results and is legal?
Quote from: vogue65 on March 17, 2019, 12:32:38 PM
O.K. Archie, what's your better idea?
Name calling does not qualify as a better idea.
Sending an e-mail to the BE commissioner is worthless.
Venting on Scoop is fun, but means nothing.
Violating the contract is a non-starter.
Waiting for the next sports news cycle is typical and trite.
Let it go, wear big boys pants, it happens all the time, s$$t happens, is cowardly.
What do you suggest that takes character?
What is your better suggestion that makes a difference, gets results and is legal?
Very well said. Why do people throw-around useless cliches when when the game is rigged.
Marquette should treat the BET with all respect it deserves (actually, most conference tournaments are a waste). If Marquette has to show-up, use it as an exhibition game, run some new offenses, let the back-ups get some experience, and first and foremost avoid any costly injuries. In other words, get some value from it.
Most people, given the opportunity, would trade the loss to SJU or SHU for a healthy Markus Howard.
The real outrage is that the refs made Theo and Sacar the thugs of the game while allowing Powell to be a hero. How does a guy with 4 fouls survive nearly 9 minutes without fouling out with all the fouls they were calling in the last 12 minutes of that game?
Quote from: warriorfred on March 17, 2019, 01:02:39 PM
Very well said. Why do people throw-around useless cliches when when the game is rigged.
Marquette should treat the BET with all respect it deserves (actually, most conference tournaments are a waste). If Marquette has to show-up, use it as an exhibition game, run some new offenses, let the back-ups get some experience, and first and foremost avoid any costly injuries. In other words, get some value from it.
Most people, given the opportunity, would trade the loss to SJU or SHU for a healthy Markus Howard.
Well said, time for action not usless name calling.
Quote from: warriorfred on March 17, 2019, 01:02:39 PM
Very well said. Why do people throw-around useless cliches when when the game is rigged.
Marquette should treat the BET with all respect it deserves (actually, most conference tournaments are a waste). If Marquette has to show-up, use it as an exhibition game, run some new offenses, let the back-ups get some experience, and first and foremost avoid any costly injuries. In other words, get some value from it.
Most people, given the opportunity, would trade the loss to SJU or SHU for a healthy Markus Howard.
Whether we like it or not, it can impact seeding for the NCAA tournament. We would also be crushed by the media as someone not competing and holding up the spirit of competition.
There is no doubt the BET favors the eastern teams because of travel proximity and fan bases. I believe the sociologists that have studied the impact of the home crowds on officiating also does the midwest teams no favor, but you still need to show up and perform....stacked against us or not. Tournament isn't going away from NYC as an extension was just signed.
If Marquette with a senior led team next year is a lock for a 1, 2, or 3 seed, then avoiding injury in the BET is the primary concern. Yes, go through the motions, but a first-round loss in the BET does not matter.
The reality is that MU needs the BE and the BE needs MU. MU leaving the BE would be crushing to the BE but what options do we have? I believe MU would look at any other option but there is no serious alternative. Fixed or not, Friday night was a black eye for the BE and everyone outside of SHU knows it. Time to move on, MU will be the highest seeded team out the BE for the real tourney. MU Rah Rah!
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 17, 2019, 01:36:04 PM
The reality is that MU needs the BE and the BE needs MU. MU leaving the BE would be crushing to the BE but what options do we have? I believe MU would look at any other option but there is no serious alternative. Fixed or not, Friday night was a black eye for the BE and everyone outside of SHU knows it. Time to move on, MU will be the highest seeded team out the BE for the real tourney. MU Rah Rah!
We are not talking about leaving the Big East. We are talking about getting respect and protecting our players.
Quote from: vogue65 on March 17, 2019, 01:41:09 PM
We are not talking about leaving the Big East. We are talking about getting respect and protecting our players.
I agree but not sending our team to the BET or playing walk-ons would tell the BE we are done and out. Everyone agrees we were screwed on Friday but we have no alternative. Perhaps the Big 12 looks for basketball only members? Ha!
Look, MU is superior to Seton Hall (as evidenced by the NCAA seedings coming out in a few hours) but MU will have to become way better than SHU to overcome bias or fixes. Just the reality of the world.
Quote from: vogue65 on March 17, 2019, 12:32:38 PM
O.K. Archie, what's your better idea?
Name calling does not qualify as a better idea.
Sending an e-mail to the BE commissioner is worthless.
Venting on Scoop is fun, but means nothing.
Violating the contract is a non-starter.
Waiting for the next sports news cycle is typical and trite.
Let it go, wear big boys pants, it happens all the time, s$$t happens, is cowardly.
What do you suggest that takes character?
What is your better suggestion that makes a difference, gets results and is legal?
This made me laugh.
And better idea to do what? Get over a game where the refs stunk?
I did have a better idea. I did some yard work yesterday, then went out to dinner. I don't think anything else on my part is required.
Four pages to discuss something that never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever will happen. Or never, ever, ever, ever will even be discussed on a level above Scoop.
This is Scoop Classic, baby. Great stuff.
Tin foil at the ready!
Quote from: MU82 on March 17, 2019, 03:51:52 PM
Four pages to discuss something that never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever will happen. Or never, ever, ever, ever will even be discussed on a level above Scoop.
This is Scoop Classic, baby. Great stuff.
Tin foil at the ready!
I got you.
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So is this scoop at its peak? Or at its lowest? Thoughts?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 17, 2019, 04:52:51 PM
So is this scoop at its peak? Or at its lowest? Thoughts?
Oh, peak for sure.
We rule at beating the death out of dead-horse subjects.
Oh, peak absolutely. #Arbys.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 16, 2019, 08:55:40 PM
It's been 20 hours of non-stop Arby's.
Always satisfying and places a smile on my face.
O.K., support the Big East tournament next year, come to New York and enjoy the Big Apple, visit with friends and relatives, hang out with the characters and get screwed again. Enjoy your tin hat sophomoric laughs, and your misplaced self righteous loyalty to the B.E.tournament. We always enjoy welcoming the rubes to town for a con job.
BTW Italy is beautiful this time of year, I'll be tuned in to TuneIn Radio listening to our honest participation in a legitament NCAA basketball tournament. I'll be rooting for M.U. and V.T.. Oh, and I just unscribed to Seton Hall athletics.
Quote from: MU82 on March 17, 2019, 03:51:52 PM
Four pages to discuss something that never, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever, ever will happen. Or never, ever, ever, ever will even be discussed on a level above Scoop.
This is Scoop Classic, baby. Great stuff.
Tin foil at the ready!
Did you see 60 Minutes tonight?
Those diplomats could've used some tin-foil to spark away that microwave radiation. Until now, they were being laughed at.
Also, cue up ex CIA director addressing the CFR on stratospheric aerosol injection and tell me chemtrails are the den of lunatic "Conspiracy" theorists. There's a reason that term was coined.
This being said, you are correct, why did this Boycott thread even begin🙈?
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 17, 2019, 04:52:51 PM
So is this scoop at its peak? Or at its lowest? Thoughts?
I always bring a scoop when I walk my dogs and it always smells really bad.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 17, 2019, 04:52:51 PM
So is this scoop at its peak? Or at its lowest? Thoughts?
This is Scoop doing what it does best. I wanted to go through the whole thread but lost steam after about two pages. Basically here is what the numbers say (unscientific and unaudited).
Two Posters (Vogue - the agitator and Warriorfred - the co-signer) posted 22 times about why this is a good idea.
There were 6 other posts that felt wronged but called into question the subject or the best way to express disapproval about the game
There were 13 that were negative to the initial poster and the idea
Then there were 13 goofy, neutral or random posts
Finally there was the start of the Tinfoil/peak scoop crew that has since taken over the discussion -- 2 of those
So...
Two people sign onto an idea and post incessantly and we label things as 'Scoop ran mad'.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 18, 2019, 06:35:07 AM
This is Scoop doing what it does best. I wanted to go through the whole thread but lost steam after about two pages. Basically here is what the numbers say (unscientific and unaudited).
Two Posters (Vogue - the agitator and Warriorfred - the co-signer) posted 22 times about why this is a good idea.
There were 6 other posts that felt wronged but called into question the subject or the best way to express disapproval about the game
There were 13 that were negative to the initial poster and the idea
Then there were 13 goofy, neutral or random posts
Finally there was the start of the Tinfoil/peak scoop crew that has since taken over the discussion -- 2 of those
So...
Two people sign onto an idea and post incessantly and we label things as 'Scoop ran mad'.
Excellent autopsy.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 18, 2019, 06:35:07 AM
This is Scoop doing what it does best. I wanted to go through the whole thread but lost steam after about two pages. Basically here is what the numbers say (unscientific and unaudited).
Two Posters (Vogue - the agitator and Warriorfred - the co-signer) posted 22 times about why this is a good idea.
There were 6 other posts that felt wronged but called into question the subject or the best way to express disapproval about the game
There were 13 that were negative to the initial poster and the idea
Then there were 13 goofy, neutral or random posts
Finally there was the start of the Tinfoil/peak scoop crew that has since taken over the discussion -- 2 of those
So...
Two people sign onto an idea and post incessantly and we label things as 'Scoop ran mad'.
I was going to give it up, perhaps I should rethink it and take my crusade around the country, Omaha, Chicago, Indianapolis, and Cincinnati. It is all about getting disrespected. I laugh at the Scoop police, when they deem it appropriate they come in with the conspiracy/tin hat defense.
Oh, BTW, what about the other 2,000 reads?
Quote from: Mike Deane's Seat Belt on March 17, 2019, 10:16:19 AM
Boycotting is such a loser's mentality.
Yeah I agree good thing we don't have a banner hanging from the rafters celebrating an achievement of a boycott...
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 18, 2019, 07:28:22 AM
Yeah I agree good thing we don't have a banner hanging from the rafters celebrating an achievement of a boycott...
What if we simply boycotted the banner?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 18, 2019, 07:28:22 AM
Yeah I agree good thing we don't have a banner hanging from the rafters celebrating an achievement of a boycott...
Made in instigator laugh. Boycots are politically unpopular, but unfortunstly they work.
I'm not sure how Al's boycott of the NCAA tournament worked.
Quote from: vogue65 on March 18, 2019, 07:40:24 AM
Made in instigator laugh. Boycots are politically unpopular, but unfortunstly they work.
Sounds good.
You get this boycott started, and in 4 to 5 years we'll judge how well it worked.
Quote from: NorthernDancerColt on March 18, 2019, 01:27:25 AM
Did you see 60 Minutes tonight?
Those diplomats could've used some tin-foil to spark away that microwave radiation. Until now, they were being laughed at.
Also, cue up ex CIA director addressing the CFR on stratospheric aerosol injection and tell me chemtrails are the den of lunatic "Conspiracy" theorists. There's a reason that term was coined.
mm-hmm
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 18, 2019, 07:54:33 AM
I'm not sure how Al's boycott of the NCAA tournament worked.
IMO and I'm 75, it gained us respect, he was tired of being disrespected.
I'm not sure the term boycott is appropriate.
He was tired of the NCAA sending us out of our region. We were an independent and were treated as poor cousins.
Marquette wasn't sent out of its region in either 1968 or 69 though.
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on March 18, 2019, 08:09:15 AM
Marquette wasn't sent out of its region in either 1968 or 69 though.
We need an historian, I was in the Marines those years. What year did he chose the NIT?
"70, beating Pistol Pete and Dr. J. along the way.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on March 18, 2019, 11:54:01 AM
"70, beating Pistol Pete and Dr. J. along the way.
So there, first he got respect, then he won it all.
But I get it, now we are not looking for respect we are looking for T.V. contracts, money, and an image. I'm not suggesting we leave the BE, all I'm asking for is respect.
BTW, I could use a little respect around here myself. Living in a pool of snarky put down artists and name callers is not very civilized.