Is Fox just not showing college basketball games on FS2 anymore? Just curious. I noticed none of our games are on it this season and when I channel surf by FS2 there is no BB on.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on February 24, 2019, 08:07:59 AM
Is Fox just not showing college basketball games on FS2 anymore? Just curious. I noticed none of our games are on it this season and when I channel surf by FS2 there is no BB on.
Maybe not Men's College Basketball games. But during BE play there has been a Women's Bball game on there every week. St. John's-Georgetown Women are on FS2 today.
How in the world does Marquette - Providence & Georgetown - Creighton get network national TV?
I get timeslots are part of it, but there were no better Big Ten games? Or even an early (11:30am PT) Pac 12 game?
Quote from: The Lens on February 24, 2019, 09:45:11 AM
How in the world does Marquette - Providence & Georgetown - Creighton get network national TV?
I get timeslots are part of it, but there were no better Big Ten games? Or even an early (11:30am PT) Pac 12 game?
Because the Big East contract indicates a certain number of games on national FOX. It's great. I just pray we can keep this tv deal next round.
Quote from: The Lens on February 24, 2019, 09:45:11 AM
How in the world does Marquette - Providence & Georgetown - Creighton get network national TV?
I get timeslots are part of it, but there were no better Big Ten games? Or even an early (11:30am PT) Pac 12 game?
I have no idea what the schedules were like, but Pac 12 is essentially a mid-major this year.
Quote from: Cheeks on February 24, 2019, 09:55:17 AM
I just pray we can keep this tv deal next round.
"Now I lay me down to sleep, and please dear Lord bless us with a favorable tv contract next time around. Lord here my prayer."
—Chicos
Quote from: We R Final Four on February 24, 2019, 10:09:44 AM
"Now I lay me down to sleep, and please dear Lord bless us with a favorable tv contract next time around. Lord here my prayer."
—Chicos
We may all be saying that prayer in a few years for the long term viability of conference and program
Quote from: Cheeks on February 24, 2019, 10:12:56 AM
We may all be saying that prayer in a few years for the long term viability of conference and program
So Buzz was prescient to be concerned about the conference and the program.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on February 24, 2019, 10:35:59 AM
So Buzz was prescient to be concerned about the conference and the program.
We're all going to die....I am therefore, prescient.
So far Buzz has been anything but prescient, but he may be in the future. Big East rated top 3 conference every year but one sit he left, two national titles, multiple number 1 seeds, etc. He is in a perfect place where football matters, basketball is an after thought and he can have the principal monitor things other than his program.....that's the reason he left, not his bullshit excuse. He and every other Big East basketball coach that is worth a damn could coach at a football school if the conference went down...everyone knows that...nothing but a convenient excuse for him.
Quote from: The Lens on February 24, 2019, 09:45:11 AM
How in the world does Marquette - Providence & Georgetown - Creighton get network national TV?
I get timeslots are part of it, but there were no better Big Ten games? Or even an early (11:30am PT) Pac 12 game?
FS1 has wall to wall NASCAR and NHRA racing in February. The Big East benefits by getting shoved to FOX.
FOX Sports gets 38 Big Ten games to show and 22 games from the Pac-12.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on February 24, 2019, 08:07:59 AM
Is Fox just not showing college basketball games on FS2 anymore? Just curious. I noticed none of our games are on it this season and when I channel surf by FS2 there is no BB on.
FS2 had 18 men's game on there this season. All non-conference games. BCU at Marquette was on FS2.
Remember when we had to pray MSG wanted to keep the BET with all the other conferences trying to play theirs in NYC knowing the BET's deal was up soon?
Turned out okay. Probably bigger things to pray for. BE is just fine.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 24, 2019, 11:30:53 AM
Remember when we had to pray MSG wanted to keep the BET with all the other conferences trying to play theirs in NYC knowing the BET's deal was up soon?
Turned out okay. Probably bigger things to pray for. BE is just fine.
Let's take the TV deal one contract cycle at a time.
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on February 24, 2019, 11:34:48 AM
Let's take the TV deal one contract cycle at a time.
The next contact cycle is the most important one
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 24, 2019, 11:50:10 AM
The next contact cycle is the most important one
I see what you did there.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 24, 2019, 11:30:53 AM
Remember when we had to pray MSG wanted to keep the BET with all the other conferences trying to play theirs in NYC knowing the BET's deal was up soon?
Turned out okay. Probably bigger things to pray for. BE is just fine.
MSG is peanuts long term vs the TV / video deal. No contest. Yes there is the prestige part, but we're talking 5 days vs 5 months a year. Conferences survive all the time having tournaments move or relocate, but without the money and exposure of a powerful sports channel......need to keep that contract going in the right direction on either ESPN or FOX. Best thing that could have happened did...Eric Shanks, David Hill, etc, started the Fox Sports networks right around the time we needed a home and they needed content. They are majority stakeholders now of the Big Ten Network, but having two major bidders is a lot better than if it were just ESPN for our future.
Quote from: Cheeks on February 24, 2019, 10:42:59 AM
We're all going to die....I am therefore, prescient.
Snarky...but what I expected. Guess I'm prescient, too.
Quote from: Cheeks on February 24, 2019, 10:12:56 AM
We may all be saying that prayer in a few years for the long term viability of conference and program
As long as there are networks they need content. MU hoops survived before cable and we will survive with whatever the future brings. Go sell crazy somewhere else.
I don't think it's that crazy. Sure the Big East is going to get a TV deal, but is it going to get the 12 year, $500M deal it got a few years ago? That deal provides Marquette with over $4M per year.
The Big East has to continue to be relevant on the national stage. And by relevant I mean multiple teams in the top 20 with national title contenders - like the last few years. But if this year is the start of a slip, I'm not sure it's going to be able to get that type of revenue.
Yeah Marquette will always be there and will always have great fan support. But it's not crazy to be concerned about the future.
Quote from: The Lens on February 24, 2019, 09:45:11 AM
How in the world does Marquette - Providence & Georgetown - Creighton get network national TV?
I get timeslots are part of it, but there were no better Big Ten games? Or even an early (11:30am PT) Pac 12 game?
Lol, really?
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on February 24, 2019, 04:51:30 PM
I don't think it's that crazy. Sure the Big East is going to get a TV deal, but is it going to get the 12 year, $500M deal it got a few years ago? That deal provides Marquette with over $4M per year.
The Big East has to continue to be relevant on the national stage. And by relevant I mean multiple teams in the top 20 with national title contenders - like the last few years. But if this year is the start of a slip, I'm not sure it's going to be able to get that type of revenue.
Yeah Marquette will always be there and will always have great fan support. But it's not crazy to be concerned about the future.
Yah it is. The Big East will get a comparable tv deal to what it has now.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 24, 2019, 05:32:01 PM
Lol, really?
Yes really, the national appeal of 3 of 4 of those teams is a fraction of the appeal from big state Universities. I wish it wasn't the case but it is. Nearly every Big Ten team is going to out draw Big East teams. Same with Pac 12.
Quote from: The Lens on February 24, 2019, 06:04:37 PM
Yes really, the national appeal of 3 of 4 of those teams is a fraction of the appeal from big state Universities. I wish it wasn't the case but it is. Nearly every Big Ten team is going to out draw Big East teams. Same with Pac 12.
Bias much? Or does MU really draw that much more appeal than Creighton or gtown
Quote from: Johnny B on February 24, 2019, 06:10:11 PM
Bias much? Or does MU really draw that much more appeal than Creighton or gtown
When I said 3 of 4 I meant Georgetown. IMO, they are a national program and maybe even still ahead of Nova for prestige. I could be biased though bc I grew up in the 80's when half of America was wearing Hoya Starter jackets.
Quote from: The Lens on February 24, 2019, 06:13:59 PM
When I said 3 of 4 I meant Georgetown. IMO, they are a national program and maybe even still ahead of Nova for prestige. I could be biased though bc I grew up in the 80's when half of America was wearing Hoya Starter jackets.
Yeah idk about that one. They may have top academics but what's that matter. Their basketball program is a shell of itself and the attendance at games is pathetic. Nova is ahead of them in national recognition for sure
As long as Nova, GTown and MU stick together, everything will be all right.
Quote from: Benny B on February 24, 2019, 11:19:40 PM
As long as Nova, GTown and MU stick together, everything will be all right.
More importantly, we need Jay Wright to still be the Nova coach. Georgetown has been irrelevant in hoops for some time, they need to get it going. We need the programs to be coming off highs going into that negotiating year.
Lots of concern about the BEAST due to a down year, kinda like when MU loses a game it's supposed to win. Long term, I'm confident in the BEAST. In fact, with the increasing costs of football, I'd look for programs to be trying to get into the BEAST after turfing inconsequential football programs.
Similarly, BEAST needs to be looking for one or two more high profile teams that fit the conference overall mould and objectives that will also improve competition and increase TV revenue.
There's one in South Bend that I'd still like to see in the Big East, and others that could work.
Quote from: Johnny B on February 24, 2019, 06:20:54 PM
Yeah idk about that one. They may have top academics but what's that matter. Their basketball program is a shell of itself and the attendance at games is pathetic. Nova is ahead of them in national recognition for sure
You have a lot more TV being watched by 55 years olds than 25 year olds. It's why UCLA still rates well.
There are three prestige teams in the Big East -- us, Villanova and Georgetown. There's a couple more, St. John's and DePaul that could be based on their history and location. Both have been so bad for so long that they don't show up yet on the national radar.
Creighton, Xavier, Providence, Butler and Seton Hall are all good programs with some degree of success. However, I'm not convinced any of these has risen to the level of prestige yet. Creighton has drawn extremely well in Omaha and at times they have been good. But.....
That said, the TV deal in part depends on our conference staying relevant. DePaul, St. John's and maybe Providence becoming very relevant with national rankings certainly would help. But it's paramount that Villanova and Georgetown stay visible and very relevant. Another poster mentioned Jay Wright staying and I agree. Patrick Ewing at Georgetown certainly helped and it would be important if Wojo keeps us in the Top 25 and sticks around for another two or three decades.
Just help me out here, gang. When I'm in Florida, I want to see our beloved Warriors as if I was in Chicago -- or Milwaukee!
Quote from: WarriorFan on February 25, 2019, 05:25:23 AM
Lots of concern about the BEAST due to a down year, kinda like when MU loses a game it's supposed to win. Long term, I'm confident in the BEAST. In fact, with the increasing costs of football, I'd look for programs to be trying to get into the BEAST after turfing inconsequential football programs.
Similarly, BEAST needs to be looking for one or two more high profile teams that fit the conference overall mould and objectives that will also improve competition and increase TV revenue.
There's one in South Bend that I'd still like to see in the Big East, and others that could work.
The defections of our top coaches to football schools concerns me the most. Particularly Xavier to Louisville and Butler to Ohio State. What made the Big East in the first place was having Boeheim, Thompson, Carnesecca, Massimino, and soon Calhoun and Carlesimo. None of those guys thought there were better college jobs than where they were. Long term quality coaches result in a stable, quality leagues, IMO. Especially when you're not big state schools that have a large built-in fan base outside of just alumni.
Quote from: The Lens on February 24, 2019, 06:04:37 PM
Yes really, the national appeal of 3 of 4 of those teams is a fraction of the appeal from big state Universities. I wish it wasn't the case but it is. Nearly every Big Ten team is going to out draw Big East teams. Same with Pac 12.
So you'd prefer to watch Rutgers @ Northwestern, or Illinois @ Nebraska, or Penn State @ Minnesota?
And the Pac12 comment is laughable. The Pac 12 is awful this year, and has been pretty awful for awhile. The Pac12 has a shot at being a 1 bid league, and pretty much no shot at getting more than 2. The Pac12 also has a horrific TV deal that renders the majority of their games inaccessible for the majority of the United States.
The PAC-12 TV numbers have been poor on the every network.
Quote from: CTWarrior on February 25, 2019, 12:52:54 PM
The defections of our top coaches to football schools concerns me the most. Particularly Xavier to Louisville and Butler to Ohio State. What made the Big East in the first place was having Boeheim, Thompson, Carnesecca, Massimino, and soon Calhoun and Carlesimo. None of those guys thought there were better college jobs than where they were. Long term quality coaches result in a stable, quality leagues, IMO. Especially when you're not big state schools that have a large built-in fan base outside of just alumni.
Agreed with all of this, though the Mack and Holtmann departures don't bother me that much. Sure it was disappointing but Lousiville is still a top 10 job and Ohio State is probably a top 15 job. Hard to blame either for jumping at those opportunities.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 25, 2019, 01:08:39 PM
So you'd prefer to watch Rutgers @ Northwestern, or Illinois @ Nebraska, or Penn State @ Minnesota?
And the Pac12 comment is laughable. The Pac 12 is awful this year, and has been pretty awful for awhile. The Pac12 has a shot at being a 1 bid league, and pretty much no shot at getting more than 2. The Pac12 also has a horrific TV deal that renders the majority of their games inaccessible for the majority of the United States.
I don't think you understand the popularity disparity between a private school with less than 10,000 students and a flagship state school with 30,000+ students. There's a reason there is a Big Ten Network.
Quote from: CTWarrior on February 25, 2019, 12:52:54 PM
The defections of our top coaches to football schools concerns me the most. Particularly Xavier to Louisville and Butler to Ohio State. What made the Big East in the first place was having Boeheim, Thompson, Carnesecca, Massimino, and soon Calhoun and Carlesimo. None of those guys thought there were better college jobs than where they were. Long term quality coaches result in a stable, quality leagues, IMO. Especially when you're not big state schools that have a large built-in fan base outside of just alumni.
Massamino went to UNLV. It was a disaster.
Quote from: Johnny B on February 24, 2019, 06:20:54 PM
Yeah idk about that one. They may have top academics but what's that matter. Their basketball program is a shell of itself and the attendance at games is pathetic. Nova is ahead of them in national recognition for sure
Fair enough but for exactly the reason you mention, GTOWN doesn't NEED to have a great basketball program to maintain their national relevance nor does it need the TV money anywhere near as much Marquette does. At the end of the day they're still Georgetown University, one of the most prestigious institutions of Higher Learning in the United States if not the world, so I'm with Lens 100%!
Having a top 10 basketball program is far more beneficial to a school like Marquette. I wish Marquette could afford to be less dependent on the success of it's men's basketball program, but to a large degree Coach Wojo and our players carry the weight of the university on their backs and will likely continue to for the foreseeable future.
Quote from: Disco Hippie on February 25, 2019, 08:07:09 PM
Fair enough but for exactly the reason you mention, GTOWN doesn't NEED to have a great basketball program to maintain their national relevance nor does it need the TV money anywhere near as much Marquette does. At the end of the day they're still Georgetown University, one of the most prestigious institutions of Higher Learning in the United States if not the world, so I'm with Lens 100%!
Having a top 10 basketball program is far more beneficial to a school like Marquette. I wish Marquette could afford to be less dependent on the success of it's men's basketball program, but to a large degree Coach Wojo and our players carry the weight of the university on their backs and will likely continue to for the foreseeable future.
Do top tier recruits give a damn about academics when the plan Is to play pro ball anywhere? No they dont. Just thought I'd add that to my point..sure it's nice to have gtown and they will remain at the top academically but I dont know if that significantly does much for their baskethoops program
Quote from: Fluffy Blue Monster on February 25, 2019, 02:38:08 PM
Massamino went to UNLV. It was a disaster.
I think Villanova was not disappointed to see Massimino go. His last four years he was 67-61 (18-16, 18-15, 17-15 and 14-15.) I think his leaving was similar to Buzz in a mutual let's go our separate ways thing. But you are right, eventually he did think there was a better job.
Quote from: Johnny B on February 25, 2019, 11:56:30 PM
Do top tier recruits give a damn about academics when the plan Is to play pro ball anywhere? No they dont. Just thought I'd add that to my point..sure it's nice to have gtown and they will remain at the top academically but I dont know if that significantly does much for their baskethoops program
Depends on what you mean by Top Tier.
If it's a one-and-done, Brother Johnny B, I absolutely agree with you.
If it is someone who might have a middle-of-the road NBA career and then something else, I would guess they probably do care about academics. Duke and Stanford are living proof that a university can have both elite academics and elite athletics (well, some of the time anyway). Ditto for that tech school over in South Bend.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 24, 2019, 11:50:10 AM
The next contact cycle is the most important one
Trap cycle.
Quote from: The Lens on February 25, 2019, 01:43:07 PM
I don't think you understand the popularity disparity between a private school with less than 10,000 students and a flagship state school with 30,000+ students. There's a reason there is a Big Ten Network.
True, there is the volume game and alumni in droves. That said, some of the highest rated schools on television the last 20 years are small private schools for basketball.
Duke
Syracuse
Notre Dame
Villanova
Gonzaga
What tends to happen, especially with SEC schools and some Big Ten schools, they may draw well for football but for basketball comparing like for like against other basketball schools the ratings aren't as strong. If you factor in % of alumni, the comparison is even worse. To your point, they can make up for it in pure volume of people, but a higher % of their alumni just don't care about basketball compared to some of the basketball schools.
Quote from: Cheeks on February 24, 2019, 09:55:17 AM
Because the Big East contract indicates a certain number of games on national FOX. It's great. I just pray we can keep this tv deal next round.
I also do hope/prey the Big East comes out rosy in the next TV deal. I'm sure they will! FS1 need the live programming. Also, both games on FOX this past Saturday had half a million viewers. If were on ESPNU or ESPNews, that I can tell you wouldn't be the case.