Poll
Question:
How many games does Indiana lose at Assembly Hall this season?
Option 1: 0-1
votes: 10
Option 2: 2-4
votes: 46
Option 3: 5+
votes: 3
Is Assembly Hall a tough place to play? Will they blitz other good teams there?
Or does Marquette just suck because they played a bad game in November?
Why can't I pick Arby's?
Quote from: wadesworld on November 19, 2018, 04:22:20 PM
Is Assembly Hall a tough place to play? Will they blitz other good teams there?
Or does Marquette just suck because they played a bad game in November?
As has been noted, its not just the loss but the dimension of the loss and how we played.
Only 1 for Marquette. Unless there is a rematch in the NIT.
Assembly Hall has always been a tough venue especially if a team hasn't played there before.
They'll lose a couple. Michigan, Purdue, Michigan State, Ohio State, Iowa, Nebraska, and Wisconsin all headed in there. Think they lose 2-4.
Updating this bizarre poll/topic.
#217 UT Arlington lost by 14 at IU
#248 UC Davis lost by 14 at IU
I therefore take comfort in our 16 point loss at IU. A lot of teams will get beat at IU.
Quote from: Floorslapper on November 24, 2018, 04:33:00 PM
Updating this bizarre poll/topic.
#217 UT Arlington lost by 14 at IU
#248 UC Davis lost by 14 at IU
I therefore take comfort in our 16 point loss at IU. A lot of teams will get beat at IU.
Because Archie wasn't using those games to see what he has.
But you've played high school ball. So you know better than me. Rotations need to be consistent. No time early in the year to experiment with different lineups and different players in different rolls against lesser teams, right?
You do seem like the kind of guy who looks at margin of victory and comes to conclusions about how good teams are compared to each other.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 24, 2018, 05:31:03 PM
You do seem like the kind of guy who looks at margin of victory and comes to conclusions about how good teams are compared to each other.
Oh. The irony. You can't make this up.
Quote from: skianth16 on November 24, 2018, 05:48:40 PM
Oh. The irony. You can't make this up.
Is there irony? I've been pretty consistent in saying a 1 point loss and a 52 point loss are an 0-1 record. So where's the irony, again?
Might want to figure out what irony means. Maybe that's the issue.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 24, 2018, 05:53:02 PM
Is there irony? I've been pretty consistent in saying a 1 point loss and a 52 point loss are an 0-1 record. So where's the irony, again?
Might want to figure out what irony means. Maybe that's the issue.
Mocking a guy for comparing margins of victory and then claiming that margin of victory doesn't matter... I'd say that's ironic. At least based on Alanis Morissette's definition.
Quote from: skianth16 on November 24, 2018, 06:04:52 PM
Mocking a guy for comparing margins of victory and then claiming that margin of victory doesn't matter... I'd say that's ironic. At least based on Alanis Morissette's definition.
That is quite literally the definition of consistency lol. Margin of victory is unimportant, so yes I'm going to mock someone who's claiming we need to worry because we lost by more than low majors did to IU.
Good effort though.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 24, 2018, 06:07:18 PM
That is quite literally the definition of consistency lol. Margin of victory is unimportant, so yes I'm going to mock someone who's claiming we need to worry because we lost by more than low majors did to IU.
Good effort though.
Touche.
The irrationality of your argument throws me off so much I cant think straight sometimes.
Quote from: Floorslapper on November 24, 2018, 04:33:00 PM
Updating this bizarre poll/topic.
#217 UT Arlington lost by 14 at IU
#248 UC Davis lost by 14 at IU
I therefore take comfort in our 16 point loss at IU. A lot of teams will get beat at IU.
Xavier beat Illinois by 9.
Gonzaga beat Illinois by 6
Gonzaga beat Duke.
Ergo, Xavier is better than Gonzaga and Duke.
Because margin of victory or something.
Quote from: skianth16 on November 24, 2018, 06:10:56 PM
Touche.
The irrationality of your argument throws me off so much I cant think straight sometimes.
Ahh. I see.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 24, 2018, 06:16:42 PM
Xavier beat Illinois by 9.
Gonzaga beat Illinois by 6
Gonzaga beat Duke.
Ergo, Xavier is better than Gonzaga and Duke.
Because margin of victory or something.
Bingo.
The number is still zero then?
Meanwhile Shaka gettin' his ass handed two 'im after a large halftime leed, hey?
Question: who gives a unnatural carnal knowledge?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 24, 2018, 06:29:03 PM
Meanwhile Shaka gettin' his ass handed two 'im after a large halftime leed, hey?
The tooth doctor has Fox Sports Wisconsin on the tube and doesn't realize the game was actually played yesterday, ai'na?
Just wanrted ta geta rise outta y'all, hey?
Quote from: wadesworld on November 24, 2018, 06:07:18 PM
Margin of victory is unimportant, so yes I'm going to mock someone who's claiming we need to worry because we lost by more than low majors did to IU.
If margin of victory is unimportant then Pomeroy and Sagerin are also. Their predictive model is based on it.
Quote from: jonny09 on November 24, 2018, 06:31:29 PM
Question: who gives a unnatural carnal knowledge?
That was my original feeling on this poll and topic. However, I wanted to keep an open mind and provide an update for all who voted in the poll.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 24, 2018, 07:28:16 PM
If margin of victory is unimportant then Pomeroy and Sagerin are also. Their predictive model is based on it.
Gonna get my popcorn ready and enjoy Wade's attempt to some how pretzel logic his way into saying your point isn't valid.
Quote from: Floorslapper on November 24, 2018, 07:41:10 PM
That was my original feeling on this poll and topic. However, I wanted to keep an open mind and provide an update for all who voted in the poll.
Gonna get my popcorn ready and enjoy Wade's attempt to some how pretzel logic his way into saying your point isn't valid.
Says the guy using the transitive property to compare MU to UT Arlington and UC Davis. Good stuff as always Ners, something nobody on Scoop could understand because they didn't have a high school coach to teach them that one.
Quote from: skianth16 on November 24, 2018, 06:04:52 PM
Mocking a guy for comparing margins of victory and then claiming that margin of victory doesn't matter... I'd say that's ironic. At least based on Alanis Morissette's definition.
Bruh
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 24, 2018, 09:11:25 PM
Bruh
I was wrong here. My bad.
But I stand by the point that ignoring margin of victory doesn't make sense.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on November 24, 2018, 07:28:16 PM
If margin of victory is unimportant then Pomeroy and Sagerin are also. Their predictive model is based on it.
I don't follow sagerin, but for Kenpom, I don't think you understand points per possession, or adjusted offensive and defensive efficiencies.
https://kenpom.com/blog/ratings-explanation/
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 24, 2018, 09:28:29 PM
I don't follow sagerin, but for Kenpom, I don't think you understand points per possession, or adjusted offensive and defensive efficiencies.
https://kenpom.com/blog/ratings-explanation/
Well, Lennys is still correct to the extent that predictive models are based on expected scores. So if you win by an amount greater than the expected margin, kenpom will likely move you up in the overall rankings because the Adjusted Efficiency Margin is based on the difference of your adjusted offensive and defensive efficiency (likely because it's always dependent on what the teams around you do also). So if you outdo the expected margin, by default your AdjEM will improve because even if you underperform one of the individual metrics, exceeding the expected margin means you overperformed the other metric by enough to insure your AdjEM is improving beyond what was expected. It's why we dropped 6 spots after the Indiana loss.
Is the subscription to KenPalm worth the price?
Quote from: marqfan22 on November 25, 2018, 04:40:52 AM
Is the subscription to KenPalm worth the price?
And/or .. is it better than Bart?
http://barttorvik.com/team.php?year=2019&team=Marquette
Quote from: wadesworld on November 24, 2018, 08:11:00 PM
Says the guy using the transitive property to compare MU to UT Arlington and UC Davis. Good stuff as always Ners, something nobody on Scoop could understand because they didn't have a high school coach to teach them that one.
What is the relevance to you starting this poll on a Marquette forum? You realize starting such a poll is essentially the transitive property? Many teams will lose at IU, so therefore we can take solace in the fact Marquette did as well.
I mean, I know I feel better about things seeing that UT Arlington and UC Davis also lost at IU.