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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: tower912 on November 10, 2018, 05:00:31 PM

Title: beThune-cOokman (note the highlighted TO)
Post by: tower912 on November 10, 2018, 05:00:31 PM
1.   Wow, was that a sloppy blowout.    Sometimes, choose the simple pass and not the hero pass.  And, oh, yeah, catch the ball!
2.  Markus is ok, I guess.
3.  I wonder if Matt is still recovering from his toe injury.    Falling down while defending a Bethune-Cookman reserve is not a good look.   Maybe he just isn't back up to speed.   
4.  Joe Hauser still looks a little slow.   Brendan  still looks like he missed two years. 
5.  MU can defend the heck out of cupcakes. 
6.  MU didn't have problems with the Pope.   Or a doofus. 
7.  B-C had a better Bailey than MU.    Ours still has more upside. 
8.  If Markus had sat out today, what would the result have been?
9.  As bad as Chartouny looked every time he passed the ball, he looked completely comfortable against the press. 
10.  Sacar sure is seeing a lot of minutes.   A year ago, he wasn't as willing to push the ball after getting a defensive rebound. 
11.  I haven't seen the numbers, but it sure seems like B-C got a lot of offensive rebounds.   
12.  Maybe Bethune-Cookmand and UMBC are a lot better than Montana State, but IU looked a lot more ready to play than MU.    I am not feeling as optimistic as I was prior to the season.     The games against the big boys are coming.    There is a lot to tighten up. 
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Post by: Jockey on November 10, 2018, 05:06:28 PM
It's nice to see us finally treating cupcakes the way they were meant to be treated. Way too many close calls the last few years.
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Post by: nyg on November 10, 2018, 05:17:44 PM
Theo and Ed will handle the center position, along with Joey.  Heldt probably see minimal action, he looked terrible today.

Sacar, Howard, Sam, Theo/Morrow and Joey going to get the minutes, a lot pending foul trouble. Everyone else up for the remaining minutes.  Cain has played well in his minutes so far. 

I am guessing Indiana is going to press MU backcourt, so they better get used to bringing the ball up.  It may cause some major issues.

Joey is extremely impressive and with game experience is going to be really good. 
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Post by: dgies9156 on November 10, 2018, 05:24:42 PM
Joey is extremely impressive and with game experience is going to be really good.

In Joey,  I saw a very talented young man who was prone to hero ball. I suspect he still hasn't fully transitioned from SPASH to the Big East. At times he can shoot and play with the best. At times, he looked like Henry Ellenson at his worst.

Otherwise, the turnovers today and the let-up in the second half bothered me. We should have put 120 to 130 on these guys and we should have worked to get more scoring balance. Play like this next week and our undefeated season will be a memory.
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Post by: tower912 on November 10, 2018, 05:28:19 PM
I don't think that Joey has been that impressive.   Or Bailey.  Or Morrow.  Or Chartouny.     Hey, what is the common denominator?   It looks to me like all of the newcomers are pressing, like they are trying to instantly be a top 10 team and make plays they think a top 10 team makes.   Instead of making the simple plays and 'letting the ball find the best shot.'
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Post by: dgies9156 on November 10, 2018, 05:34:51 PM
'letting the ball find the best shot.'

Wojo made that comment in the huddle today. Brother Tower, you're absolutely right. We got too many guys trying to do too much. That's the one thing that scares me. If we play as a team, Kansas had best look out. If we play like we did today, we'll be burnt toast.
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Post by: rocket surgeon on November 10, 2018, 05:40:26 PM
 some signs our defense is improving-wojo ain't content yet and that's a good thing
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Post by: rocket surgeon on November 10, 2018, 05:42:43 PM
I don't think that Joey has been that impressive.   Or Bailey.  Or Morrow.  Or Chartouny.     Hey, what is the common denominator?   It looks to me like all of the newcomers are pressing, like they are trying to instantly be a top 10 team and make plays they think a top 10 team makes.   Instead of making the simple plays and 'letting the ball find the best shot.'

  that was game...umm, #2 of the season.  yes there is room for improvement, absolutely, but let's not get too critical yet
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Post by: goldeneagle91114 on November 10, 2018, 05:45:57 PM
Are Morrow and Chartouny still trying to find their spot on this team, or are they just not as good as we thought? I would have thought Morrow would be leading the team in rebounds and Chartouny would be leading the team in assists after the first 2 games.
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Post by: Herman Cain on November 10, 2018, 05:48:32 PM
We won and Markus found his shot.   So all is well.

I am sure the coaching staff will have the team working on better ball movement between now and the Indiana game.

Every single player on the team is trying to do too much. That is to be expected. The expectations are high, we have the new arena etc.  With time we will have better team work.

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Post by: brewcity77 on November 10, 2018, 05:50:20 PM
Joey tries the coast to coast stuff too frequently. Might work occasionally now, but won't come Wednesday.
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Post by: Loose Cannon on November 10, 2018, 05:54:29 PM
.   Instead of making the simple plays and 'letting the ball find the best shot.'

Oh, did you get that from Wojo's huddle like Bardo mentioned he did.
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Post by: StillWarriors on November 10, 2018, 05:54:47 PM
We look like a team that hasn’t spent much time developing the offensive end, and I am ok with that. Defense needed to be a focal point. There doesn’t seem to be much flow or even a plan on the offensive end. A lot of individual action and not much ball movement much of the game. When the ball moved we had wide open 3s. I do think that end will come.

Other observations:
Cain’s shot looks so smooth.
Theo looks much improved.
Morrow seems to be struggling with catching/grabbing the ball and doesn’t seem very explosive. Love having the big body though and he seems to know how to use it.
Chartouny looked afraid to shoot v UMBC. Now I know why. I don’t understand that-he was a decent shooter coming in. Hopefully the confidence will come.
Markus was Markus. Was concerned he was going hero ball but was on fire and did try to execute a few passes we didn’t connect on.
I really hope Heldt can contribute. He doesnt seem to be moving well.
We’ll have to play a lot better to win at IU, but should be a good test.
Love the depth of quality talent on this team.
Title: Re: beThune-cOokman (note the highlighted TO)
Post by: tower912 on November 10, 2018, 05:55:57 PM
Yes, I am quoting Wojo's huddle.    I lose track, are we allowed to take them seriously yet?   This is one of his catch phrases, like 'paint touches'. 
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Post by: wadesworld on November 10, 2018, 06:01:10 PM
Don’t skip steps.
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Post by: wadesworld on November 10, 2018, 06:04:39 PM
Are we really complaining about our freshman going for 11, 7, and 6 on 50% shooting? Talk about high expectations. Yeesh!
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Post by: goldeneagle91114 on November 10, 2018, 06:08:52 PM
Are Morrow and Chartouny still trying to find their spot on this team, or are they just not as good as we thought? I would have thought Morrow would be leading the team in rebounds and Chartouny would be leading the team in assists after the first 2 games.

Thoughts?
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Post by: Its DJOver on November 10, 2018, 06:21:17 PM
Chances Theo goes the entire season without giving up an and-one?  He seems to have the whole "if you get beat, lay em out" mentality down.
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Post by: Marcus92 on November 10, 2018, 06:25:15 PM
I liked that we held BC to >30% from the field and >20% from long range. (Although they don't look like a good outside shooting team to me.) Scoring 90+ and shooting 50% on 3-pointers, the offense should be fine. I'm also not concerned about Joseph, Ed, Joey or Brendan. There's room to improve — but they all played hard and made contributions, especially on the defensive end.

21 turnovers is concerning no matter who the opponent is. That just won't cut it.
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Post by: Loose Cannon on November 10, 2018, 06:30:01 PM
Thoughts?

I'm a strong member in the camp of "They will be Just Fine".   Like Howard. they will fine their game, just need a little time.

Remember when AR appeared he took a number of games before he hit his stride.
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Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 10, 2018, 06:34:30 PM
More Cain
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Post by: MUEng92 on November 10, 2018, 06:40:38 PM
So people are really down on Joey? These aren't just attempts to resurrect @scooptakes?
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Post by: kryza on November 10, 2018, 06:43:48 PM
some signs our defense is improving

We didn't have to switch to a zone against our cupcakes.
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Post by: Floorslapper on November 10, 2018, 06:52:15 PM
22 Turnovers against a team of this caliber is a little concerning.  Yet we still put up 92 points.  Incredible.

I think everyone should just STFU about any negativity/criticism around Joey.  He's in his 2nd college game for God sakes. The kid is a major talent.
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Post by: Mutaman on November 10, 2018, 07:04:51 PM
The kid is a major talent.

Agreed. 11 points 7 Reb 6 assists. What warrants the criticism? granted he turns it over too much but that will improve. I am delighted in what i see so far.
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Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on November 10, 2018, 07:14:26 PM
Agreed. 11 points 7 Reb 6 assists. What warrants the criticism? granted he turns it over too much but that will improve. I am delighted in what i see so far.

Agree on Joey he missed a couple uncontested layins and struggles a bit with the speed of the game and the tighter passing lanes, but he will be more than fine.  Chartouney trying to do too much too hard in himself right now but his defense is outstanding. Same for bailey, great defense.
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Post by: tower912 on November 10, 2018, 07:16:08 PM
I'm not worried about Joey long-term.    To my eyes, all of the newcomers are trying too hard to make hero plays.    I expect them all to settle in.    Joey is going to be very, very good. 
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Post by: VegasWarrior77 on November 10, 2018, 07:19:46 PM
1. Newcomers will take a while to get acclimated, but they will be fine.  Morrow showed flashes of offense.  Joey will adjust to the college game.  Bailey is talented and will be fine with time. Didn't some sportscaster in MKE say Bailey was the most impressive player he saw at MU practices?  I'm concerned about Chartouny's speed against high major competition.

2. Cain looks good and should be starting in place of Bailey.

3. I still have no confidence in Markus (or Elliot) handling the press.  When teams press Chartouny will see extended playing time.

4. If Elliot returns in December (and doesn't redshirt) we will be really deep!

5. Already thinking about Koby McEwen joining next year - guards game!
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Post by: Mutaman on November 10, 2018, 07:24:59 PM
  Joey will adjust to the college game. 

I'd say he's already adjusted. Had no idea that he could pass or board this well. He might have an outside shot too. And remember, he's gone a year without playing competitive basketball.

Will see how he does against the big boys.
Title: Re: beThune-cOokman (note the highlighted TO)
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on November 10, 2018, 07:26:27 PM
1.   Wow, was that a sloppy blowout.    Sometimes, choose the simple pass and not the hero pass.  And, oh, yeah, catch the ball!
2.  Markus is ok, I guess.
3.  I wonder if Matt is still recovering from his toe injury.    Falling down while defending a Bethune-Cookman reserve is not a good look.   Maybe he just isn't back up to speed.   
4.  Joe Hauser still looks a little slow.   Brendan  still looks like he missed two years. 
5.  MU can defend the heck out of cupcakes. 
6.  MU didn't have problems with the Pope.   Or a doofus. 
7.  B-C had a better Bailey than MU.    Ours still has more upside. 
8.  If Markus had sat out today, what would the result have been?
9.  As bad as Chartouny looked every time he passed the ball, he looked completely comfortable against the press. 
10.  Sacar sure is seeing a lot of minutes.   A year ago, he wasn't as willing to push the ball after getting a defensive rebound. 
11.  I haven't seen the numbers, but it sure seems like B-C got a lot of offensive rebounds.   
12.  Maybe Bethune-Cookmand and UMBC are a lot better than Montana State, but IU looked a lot more ready to play than MU.    I am not feeling as optimistic as I was prior to the season.     The games against the big boys are coming.    There is a lot to tighten up.

4.  Joey made a few mistakes and missed a few layins but hes pretty good and that will show against good comp.  Baileys shots didnt fall today but did everything else well.  Gonna be good!!

7.  If our bailey is as good as BCs when hes a senior i will be really happy, that kid was really good. Prolly second best player on the court today. A really realy nice player.  Could start anywhere.  Will eaen good money for a long time.

9. You could make a coaching video on chartouneys defensive positioning.  Trying too hard on offense. He will be ok imo
10. Sacar is solid
12.  Did IU play their second five like a hockey shift today? Did they play the minutes our bench did. If Wojo doesnt make wholesale substitutions the whole game and tightens up the rotation MU wins by 50.  And looks alot cleaner.  But 7-11 get a ton less run.  Compare cupcake blowouts all u want. One only need look at the +\- of our starters and the minutes they played.  Play 35 mins n win by 60?
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Post by: tower912 on November 10, 2018, 07:27:50 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHYJTU7o7sw&feature=youtu.be

Wojo is frustrated by the turnovers.    Called Morrow's chasedown block one of the best plays since he has been at MU and the most important of the game.     Also said that a whole bunch of guys are trying to learn how to play the MU way and it will take some time. 
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Post by: tower912 on November 10, 2018, 07:32:02 PM

12.  Did IU play their second five like a hockey shift today? Did they play the minutes our bench did. If Wojo doesnt make wholesale substitutions the whole game and tightens up the rotation MU wins by 50.  And looks alot cleaner.  But 7-11 get a ton less run.  Compare cupcake blowouts all u want.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/montana-state-bobcats-at-indiana-hoosiers/game-center/sp-id-30401000002084635??ocid=ocid=INSSPBD10

I count 9 players playing double digit minutes and 16 seeing playing time.    I watched the game.    I don't know how our cupcakes compare to their cupcakes.   All I know is that IU looked really good against their cupcake.   
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Post by: Jockey on November 10, 2018, 07:41:28 PM
Chances Theo goes the entire season without giving up an and-one?  He seems to have the whole "if you get beat, lay em out" mentality down.

0% Chance.

After 2nd thought, make that a negative 90% chance.
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Post by: Mutaman on November 10, 2018, 07:47:02 PM
West said its a good thing Wilt was a nice guy, otherwise he could have  seriously hurt somebody. I hope Theo is a nice guy.
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Post by: DegenerateDish on November 10, 2018, 08:02:08 PM
I’ll probably get beat up for this, but I think part of the problem with new guys pressing too much on the offensive end is Howard. I just watched the game on DVR, and in the first half there were 3 straight MU possessions where Howard just brought it up and shot it, no one else touched it. The 4th possession, Howard drove and looked like he recognized his shot was gonna get blocked, and kicked it out to Sam for an open 3.

I obviously don’t mind Howard going off for 37 points, but this roster is a lot different than last years, and Amin and Sam have improved as offensive players. I think as deep as MU appears to be, everyone has to find a role, and nights when Howard isn’t hitting, the MU offense will hopefully be able to adjust, particularly the new guys.
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Post by: Loose Cannon on November 10, 2018, 08:06:06 PM
I’ll probably get beat up for this, but I think part of the problem with new guys pressing too much on the offensive end is Howard. I just watched the game on DVR, and in the first half there were 3 straight MU possessions where Howard just brought it up and shot it, no one else touched it. The 4th possession, Howard drove and looked like he recognized his shot was gonna get blocked, and kicked it out to Sam for an open 3.

I obviously don’t mind Howard going off for 37 points, but this roster is a lot different than last years, and Amin and Sam have improved as offensive players. I think as deep as MU appears to be, everyone has to find a role, and nights when Howard isn’t hitting, the MU offense will hopefully be able to adjust, particularly the new guys.

Yep, all good points.
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Post by: Lighthouse 84 on November 10, 2018, 08:19:19 PM
I’ll probably get beat up for this, but I think part of the problem with new guys pressing too much on the offensive end is Howard. I just watched the game on DVR, and in the first half there were 3 straight MU possessions where Howard just brought it up and shot it, no one else touched it. The 4th possession, Howard drove and looked like he recognized his shot was gonna get blocked, and kicked it out to Sam for an open 3.

I obviously don’t mind Howard going off for 37 points, but this roster is a lot different than last years, and Amin and Sam have improved as offensive players. I think as deep as MU appears to be, everyone has to find a role, and nights when Howard isn’t hitting, the MU offense will hopefully be able to adjust, particularly the new guys.
I actually thought the exact same thing while watching.  I thought Sammy looked at him a couple times as if to say, hey! I’m wide open!  an dMarkis went down and shot anyway.  Ok, he made the shots too. 😉
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Post by: wadesworld on November 10, 2018, 08:37:27 PM
I’ll probably get beat up for this, but I think part of the problem with new guys pressing too much on the offensive end is Howard. I just watched the game on DVR, and in the first half there were 3 straight MU possessions where Howard just brought it up and shot it, no one else touched it. The 4th possession, Howard drove and looked like he recognized his shot was gonna get blocked, and kicked it out to Sam for an open 3.

I obviously don’t mind Howard going off for 37 points, but this roster is a lot different than last years, and Amin and Sam have improved as offensive players. I think as deep as MU appears to be, everyone has to find a role, and nights when Howard isn’t hitting, the MU offense will hopefully be able to adjust, particularly the new guys.

He was 100% chasing the 50 burger hard today.  And he wasn't trying to hide it.  He was waving his arms wildly pretty often when he was off the ball to call for it.
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Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 10, 2018, 08:40:44 PM
I’ll probably get beat up for this, but I think part of the problem with new guys pressing too much on the offensive end is Howard. I just watched the game on DVR, and in the first half there were 3 straight MU possessions where Howard just brought it up and shot it, no one else touched it. The 4th possession, Howard drove and looked like he recognized his shot was gonna get blocked, and kicked it out to Sam for an open 3.

I obviously don’t mind Howard going off for 37 points, but this roster is a lot different than last years, and Amin and Sam have improved as offensive players. I think as deep as MU appears to be, everyone has to find a role, and nights when Howard isn’t hitting, the MU offense will hopefully be able to adjust, particularly the new guys.

He did score on every single one of those tho.

For a while the offense couldn’t get anything going, Markus made it happen.

Plus, a few times he did pass we had guys biff the pass
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Post by: DegenerateDish on November 10, 2018, 08:42:39 PM
I actually thought the exact same thing while watching.  I thought Sammy looked at him a couple times as if to say, hey! I’m wide open!  an dMarkis went down and shot anyway.  Ok, he made the shots too. 😉

That’s funny you caught that too, because I noticed Sam on the third possession kinda/sorta give a “WTF?” look. I’m probably reading too much into it, but there was for sure a look that Sam gave Howard. I thought only I picked up on it, good catch.
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Post by: DegenerateDish on November 10, 2018, 08:47:51 PM
He was 100% chasing the 50 burger hard today.  And he wasn't trying to hide it.  He was waving his arms wildly pretty often when he was off the ball to call for it.

You’re not wrong, and I don’t mind if he goes for it in the natural flow of the game. I’d rather use these cupcake tune ups though to get the new guys going and have people find their roles. There will be plenty of BE nights where games like this from Howard are needed, I think him trying to go for 50 against B-C in spite of the other guys did more harm than good.
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Post by: Ellenson Guerrero on November 10, 2018, 09:31:20 PM
More Cain

This. Kid is legit.
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Post by: barfolomew on November 10, 2018, 09:35:38 PM
I've been wondering... where do Bethune-Cookman students go for spring break? Places like Milwaukee?


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Post by: GB Warrior on November 10, 2018, 09:38:05 PM
Down the stretch, it was clear Markus was the one on offense feeling it. I'm not going to grief him if he's going 7-10 from deep on those nights. We need more guys playing well that give him clean looks to pass out of.

I don't disagree that he missed or almost missed soem chances to get his teammates involved, but when they were struggling, he got hot and just didn't stop
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Post by: Boozemon Barro on November 10, 2018, 10:01:02 PM
It seems like everyone is playing like they're playing for minutes instead of making the right play for the offense.
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Post by: GoldenEagle323 on November 10, 2018, 10:06:25 PM
Love how sacar is playing, in the first half he bit 2 3's back to back if i remember right, once he blows by his defender he gets to the rim everytime and this kid is a dog on the defensive end... we're gonna need him this year
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Post by: We R Final Four on November 10, 2018, 10:13:00 PM
Chances Theo goes the entire season without giving up an and-one?  He seems to have the whole "if you get beat, lay em out" mentality down.
Theo will get ejected this year for taunting or intimidation. It’s coming.
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Post by: LloydsLegs on November 10, 2018, 10:13:56 PM
I couldn’t be more thrilled about the hopes for this team.  33 point win and we have comments like these. Cf to last year and Eastern Illinois. 

That doesn’t mean the comments are wrong - just speaks to the level of realistic demands/expectations. 
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Post by: LloydsLegs on November 10, 2018, 10:14:31 PM
Theo will get ejected this year for taunting or intimidation. It’s coming.

He intimidates everyone who sees my screensaver. 
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Post by: 94Warrior on November 10, 2018, 10:18:31 PM
Anybody who isn't excited about Joey's present and future, probably has never touched a basketball before (like the kid in the Qdoba shootout).

Joey can handle the ball and get to the basket in ways that others his size cannot.  As much as I love Sam, as a freshman he couldn't create or handle the ball like Joey, and might not be able to now.  Sam it a deadly outside shooter, but the team is giving the ball to Joey on the block and letting him go to work (on a regular basis).  He is quickly becoming a matchup nightmare, and I guarantee we will see him score 20+ points before the non-conference is over.  His coming out party will be here soon.

 
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Post by: We R Final Four on November 10, 2018, 10:31:23 PM
Anybody who isn't excited about Joey's present and future, probably has never touched a basketball before (like the kid in the Qdoba shootout).

Joey can handle the ball and get to the basket in ways that others his size cannot.  As much as I love Sam, as a freshman he couldn't create or handle the ball like Joey, and might not be able to now.  Sam it a deadly outside shooter, but the team is giving the ball to Joey on the block and letting him go to work (on a regular basis).  He is quickly becoming a matchup nightmare, and I guarantee we will see him score 20+ points before the non-conference is over.  His coming out party will be here soon.

 
Ha—yes.....that was an impressive display.
0-8 from 6’ was unbelievable.
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Post by: MU82 on November 10, 2018, 10:37:56 PM
Couldn't watch the game because my streaming service didn't give me access to FS2. Listened to the first half on MU feed ... oy, Tony Smith ... but that's another thread.

Listening to the first half, reading comments here, looking at box score, etc, I definitely don't come away thinking Joey is struggling. He had a line like Partridge In Pear Tree: 8 FGA, 7 Reb, 6 Asst, 5 TO, 4 FG, 3 PF, 2 FT and a ...

Morrow had a decent stat line, although rebs were low (2) and TOs were high (4).

Surprised to see Theo played only 10 mins.

It's really hard to make many concrete evaluations based on two devourings of cupcakes, except that we do have talent and depth.

Looking forward to getting a look at how our lads do against a real team on the road. Might not be ready for it yet ... but we'll see Wed!
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Post by: Mutaman on November 10, 2018, 11:15:47 PM


Surprised to see Theo played only 10 mins.

As I recall he picked up two early fouls in first and a third early in second so thats why his time was limited. This could be a problem. But when he is out there he is a man against boys- a very confident aggressive man.
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Post by: wadesworld on November 10, 2018, 11:17:45 PM
Will never forget this E:60 feature.

https://vimeo.com/160187880

Don't know why we need to make fun of a kid for not making basketball shots.  Sure, if a professional or college athlete makes an awful play it's kind of funny because they're obviously better than that or they wouldn't be where they are.  But you don't know what the kid's story was from the Qdoba shot today.  Maybe he was like Scot Parks and once played but got sick and physically can't make those same shots.  Or maybe he just never played basketball but got into rooting for the team when he got to MU.  Seems cool to me.  And if that's the case, how many people here would agree to go out and do something they've never done in their life, knew they wouldn't be good at, and do it in front of 10-15 thousand people who are interested in that thing?  I know I wouldn't.
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Post by: brewcity77 on November 10, 2018, 11:29:51 PM
Anybody who isn't excited about Joey's present and future, probably has never touched a basketball before (like the kid in the Qdoba shootout).

I'm excited for Joey's present and future. I still wish he'd knock the coast to coast crap off. He'll get there, but he isn't there yet.
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Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 10, 2018, 11:48:18 PM
Y'all, we just beat a team by 33. Last season teams like Eastern Illinois were taking us to overtime. Our Big East brethren are struggling to put away teams like Evansville and Central Connecticut. You got to enjoy yourselves more.

On the turnovers. Last season, Bethune-Cookman was #3 in the nation in adjusted tempo. Why? They forced a lot of turnovers. They returned almost every player from that team. Should we have given up 22 turnovers to them? No. Was it as bad as it looks on paper? No.

The first three games have given me nothing but optimism for the season. It's an exhibition and two cupcakes so I am not buying final four tickets or anything, but I am surprised that most of the comments here seem to indicate disappointment with today's performance.
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Post by: Marcus92 on November 10, 2018, 11:50:33 PM
We definitely need Markus to get teammates involved. It's worth noting that through 2 games, he's more than doubled his assist rate from last season. (He's currently ranked in the top 30 in the country according to KenPom).
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Post by: brewcity77 on November 11, 2018, 12:04:12 AM
Markus is also the #3 player in the nation per Pomeroy at the moment (that will fluctuate a lot). More impressive, 4 of the top 6 will be in Brooklyn (1-Dedric Lawson, 2-Grant Williams, 6-Udoka Azubuike).
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Post by: BM1090 on November 11, 2018, 01:38:11 AM
Thought Wojo's pressee today was very good. Funny moment with his son at the end. He has come off as extremely genuine and likable recently which hasn't always been the case.
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Post by: Jockey on November 11, 2018, 05:12:27 AM
He was 100% chasing the 50 burger hard today.  And he wasn't trying to hide it.  He was waving his arms wildly pretty often when he was off the ball to call for it.

I’ve always heard the basketball mantra - “avoid the hot hand”.

Guys like Howard and Kemba are just ball hogs :-[


I agree with a couple guys here. LIGHTEN UP, people. These games, while far from perfect, went exactly as they should. Two easy blowouts that allowed Wojo to play all kinds of combinations to get us ready for BE play.
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Post by: jsglow on November 11, 2018, 08:03:38 AM
'We turned it over.  And we had 3 guys on the court that quit on the play and one guy that didn't. And his name was Ed Morrow.'

NEVER give up the rim.  So refreshing.
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Post by: MU82 on November 11, 2018, 08:35:09 AM
Y'all, we just beat a team by 33. Last season teams like Eastern Illinois were taking us to overtime. Our Big East brethren are struggling to put away teams like Evansville and Central Connecticut. You got to enjoy yourselves more.

Bravo, TAMU!

Enjoy the journey, folks!
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Post by: tower912 on November 11, 2018, 08:47:51 AM
Definitely first world problems.     4 talented newcomers.    3 have not played organized basketball lately.  Trying to find their niche.   Of course there are glitches and room for improvement.    But it is obvious that there is a commitment to defense.  And it is obvious they want to play team basketball.    It will take time. 
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Post by: GGGG on November 11, 2018, 08:53:55 AM
Y'all, we just beat a team by 33. Last season teams like Eastern Illinois were taking us to overtime. Our Big East brethren are struggling to put away teams like Evansville and Central Connecticut. You got to enjoy yourselves more.

On the turnovers. Last season, Bethune-Cookman was #3 in the nation in adjusted tempo. Why? They forced a lot of turnovers. They returned almost every player from that team. Should we have given up 22 turnovers to them? No. Was it as bad as it looks on paper? No.

The first three games have given me nothing but optimism for the season. It's an exhibition and two cupcakes so I am not buying final four tickets or anything, but I am surprised that most of the comments here seem to indicate disappointment with today's performance.


Amen brother. Very little of substance to complain about. We are well set for Wednesday.
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Post by: fjm on November 11, 2018, 09:35:57 AM
Thought it was a great overall win. I thought Joey played just fine! His stat line is solid also!

Bad TO’s that we HAVE to fix. I am very encouraged! Now having said that, I’m not trying to be a Debbie downer but I don’t see us winning this Wednesday at IU.
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Post by: Big Papi on November 11, 2018, 09:43:50 AM
We definitely need Markus to get teammates involved. It's worth noting that through 2 games, he's more than doubled his assist rate from last season. (He's currently ranked in the top 30 in the country according to KenPom).

After the game 1 shooting performance, we needed Marcus to get going.  It was great to see him get hot from deep and show off his repertoire. We will need nights when he has to carry the team offensively and go for 30 plus points a game.
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Post by: MomofMUltiples on November 11, 2018, 10:07:22 AM
When Markus is shooting the way he was yesterday, I want the ball in his hands all the time! We shouldn’t be complaining when he’s dropping everything within 20 feet of the basket. If he were hogging the ball and missing, Wojo would pull him out.

I don’t know about hero ball, but I am really comfortable watching Joey bring the ball up the court. Solid ball handler. Now, could he pass it more instead of dribbling into traffic in the middle? Probably. But I bet in a couple years watching Joey go end to end will be a thing of beauty.
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Post by: We R Final Four on November 11, 2018, 10:14:14 AM

Amen brother. Very little of substance to complain about. We are well set for Wednesday.
Agree with first statement.
Disagree with second.
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Post by: GGGG on November 11, 2018, 10:23:16 AM
Agree with first statement.
Disagree with second.

The statements go hand-in-hand so...
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Post by: skianth16 on November 12, 2018, 12:50:03 AM
Couldn't watch the game because my streaming service didn't give me access to FS2. Listened to the first half on MU feed ... oy, Hall of Famer (!)Tony Smith ... but that's another thread.


FIFY

If you turned this into a drinking game, it would end very poorly. Very quickly, and very poorly.
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Post by: CTWarrior on November 12, 2018, 07:33:14 AM
It seems like everyone is playing like they're playing for minutes instead of making the right play for the offense.
I have no way of knowing if this is true, but this it what it feels like to me, too.
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Post by: CTWarrior on November 12, 2018, 07:48:14 AM
On the turnovers. Last season, Bethune-Cookman was #3 in the nation in adjusted tempo. Why? They forced a lot of turnovers. They returned almost every player from that team. Should we have given up 22 turnovers to them? No. Was it as bad as it looks on paper? No.
I thought most of the turnovers were self-inflicted and not caused by the defense.  Just us trying some unnecessarily difficult passes and mishandling some good passes.  Feels like some of the new guys, particularly Chartouny, are pressing a bit.  No big deal.

I'm certainly not disappointed with the results, and I especially like the focus on defense.  I never expect too much early from freshmen, and the important thing is that it is obvious that Hauser the Younger and Bailey know what they are doing on the floor.  They'll be quite good as they get more game reps.  They're good now.  Good test Wednesday against a borderline top 25 team on the road. 
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Post by: DCHoopster on November 12, 2018, 08:09:26 AM
I thought most of the turnovers were self-inflicted and not caused by the defense.  Just us trying some unnecessarily difficult passes and mishandling some good passes.  Feels like some of the new guys, particularly Chartouny, are pressing a bit.  No big deal.

I'm certainly not disappointed with the results, and I especially like the focus on defense.  I never expect too much early from freshmen, and the important thing is that it is obvious that Hauser the Younger and Bailey know what they are doing on the floor.  They'll be quite good as they get more game reps.  They're good now.  Good test Wednesday against a borderline top 25 team on the road.

Last few years there has been so called buy games that MU barely won.  Remember Belmont?  How about Chicago St.?  Finally MU played like a real Top 30 team with
2 blow-outs.  Sure there were some issues, but the D was way better than last year.  MU is long, take Rowsey out add Bailey, add Theo and Morrow take out Matt, and they are much quicker and stronger.  Indiana will be a good test, but I look at 45 days to get better to get ready for the conference.  These games really help the
strength of schedule.  Have to beat Wisco, K-State and Buffalo at home, maybe win a game in Brooklyn, if MU does that they will have a fine season.
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Post by: MUfan12 on November 12, 2018, 08:12:02 AM
Last few years there has been so called buy games that MU barely won.  Remember Belmont?  How about Chicago St.?

Chicago State? The one where they broke the school record for threes and won by almost 30?
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Post by: wadesworld on November 12, 2018, 08:16:40 AM
Last few years there has been so called buy games that MU barely won.  Remember Belmont?  How about Chicago St.?  Finally MU played like a real Top 30 team with
2 blow-outs.  Sure there were some issues, but the D was way better than last year.  MU is long, take Rowsey out add Bailey, add Theo and Morrow take out Matt, and they are much quicker and stronger.  Indiana will be a good test, but I look at 45 days to get better to get ready for the conference.  These games really help the
strength of schedule.  Have to beat Wisco, K-State and Buffalo at home, maybe win a game in Brooklyn, if MU does that they will have a fine season.

If MU wins those 3 games and wins a game in Brooklyn they will be no worse than a 4 seed in the NCAA Tournament.
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Post by: Galway Eagle on November 12, 2018, 08:18:42 AM
Chicago State? The one where they broke the school record for threes and won by almost 30?

Might be thinking of eastern Illinois.
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Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 12, 2018, 09:29:31 AM
Chicago State? The one where they broke the school record for threes and won by almost 30?

I think he was talking about Wojo's second year when we beat Chicago State by 17. We won pretty easily but there were a few ugly moments.