https://twitter.com/dribblehandoff/status/1021790802996015104?s=21
In the last 25 years, only 3 players have posted two seasons of 5+ RPG while shooting over 50% from 2, 40% from 3, and 80% from the line.
Doug McDermott, Alec Peters, & Sam Hauser (@Big_Smooth10)
Hauser's looking to become the first player to do it 3 times.
Quote from: MuMark on July 24, 2018, 09:40:41 PM
https://twitter.com/dribblehandoff/status/1021790802996015104?s=21
In the last 25 years, only 3 players have posted two seasons of 5+ RPG while shooting over 50% from 2, 40% from 3, and 80% from the line.
Doug McDermott, Alec Peters, & Sam Hauser (@Big_Smooth10)
Hauser's looking to become the first player to do it 3 times.
NBA
Too 15 this year. Maybe higher.
JB, what's your opine?
When the comps are a journeyman who's played for 5 NBA teams already and a wash out who's already gone to Europe for next season I keep higher hopes for Sam.
Unfortunately I think McDermott is a reasonable comp right now... just looking for Sam to do better than that.
i remember when jj redick came out of school as a pretty good college ball player. picked #11 by orlando in the 2006 draft. he took a few years to develop, probably more than to be expected of a 1st round, top 20 pick. there was even a point where i recall that he was probably close to being a short footnote. then during years 4-5-6-7 he kinda exploded back onto the scene, not in a superstar way, but a genuine player.
my point is, for most guys, making the transition from high school-college-nba still requires A LOT of hard work. sometimes more for some than others. buckets has the ability to become a kyle korver type player sam has the talent and the work ethic to continue to improve and hopefully take it a notch up with each level he attains.
Quote from: WarriorFan on July 24, 2018, 11:13:19 PM
When the comps are a journeyman who's played for 5 NBA teams already and a wash out who's already gone to Europe for next season I keep higher hopes for Sam.
Unfortunately I think McDermott is a reasonable comp right now... just looking for Sam to do better than that.
Unfortunately? Lol. The dude was just one of the greatest college basketball players in the modern era and just signed a $22M contract to continue playing basketball.
What a letdown that would be!
Sam is a very good college player. I am not sure his combination of size and speed translates to the NBA. 6'7 small forward who shoots well but doesn't beat people off the dribble. I will be I interested to see his lateral quickness this year post hip surgery.
I love Sam, but he isn't Doug McDermott. McD was a three time all American and national player of the year. Sam hasn't even made Honorable Mention all Big East.
If Sam does anything close to McD in the NBA, it will be way more than I currently am expecting.
Quote from: #bansultan on July 25, 2018, 07:50:11 AM
I love Sam, but he isn't Doug McDermott. McD was a three time all American and national player of the year. Sam hasn't even made was robbed when he didn't make even Honorable Mention all Big East.
If Sam does anything close to McD in the NBA, it will be way more than I currently am expecting.
FIFY
It will be interesting if Sam can play the 3 as MU has 2 4's in Morrow and Joey. Is he quick enough? Can he guard 3's? Will he be healthy enough to improve his
jumping and lateral quickness? With Bailey and Cain MU has other 3's if he is not. Lots of depth this year. Maybe Sam plays as a stretch 4 with Morrow but Morrow
guards the 3's, it will be interesting.
I have no worry about Sam guarding smaller, quicker forwards. He'll be fine.
Quote from: tower912 on July 25, 2018, 07:32:00 AM
Sam is a very good college player. I am not sure his combination of size and speed translates to the NBA. 6'7 small forward who shoots well but doesn't beat people off the dribble. I will be I interested to see his lateral quickness this year post hip surgery.
Agree with all of this...bolded is the real issue as far as NBA limitations/prospects. Just not sure he'll ever be athletic enough to make it in NBA despite all of his great attributes as a player.
JJ Redick mentioned here in this thread - JJ is much quicker on his feet than Sam. Not sure I see Sam running off tons of screens as does Redick, and being able to be effective.
Quote from: DCHoopster on July 25, 2018, 08:37:11 AM
It will be interesting if Sam can play the 3 as MU has 2 4's in Morrow and Joey. Is he quick enough? Can he guard 3's? Will he be healthy enough to improve his
jumping and lateral quickness? With Bailey and Cain MU has other 3's if he is not. Lots of depth this year. Maybe Sam plays as a stretch 4 with Morrow but Morrow
guards the 3's, it will be interesting.
Sam has and will continue to guard 3s. People really underestimate Sam's defense. He has been one of our top two defenders of the last two years (unfortunately not saying much)
Sam doesn't need to beat people of the dribble to make the NBA. Can he defend well enough to be a 3 & D guy?
Recovering from hip surgery will be key. Need to see what kind of lateral quickness and agility Sam has when he's healthy.
Sam also needs to quicken his release. It's fine for college but guys like Kyle Korver and Klay Thompson have lightning quick releases. But Novak was able to do it as he put in the reps. Sam could do the same.
Quote from: Lazar's Headband on July 25, 2018, 09:46:59 AM
Sam also needs to quicken his release. It's fine for college but guys like Kyle Korver and Klay Thompson have lightning quick releases. But Novak was able to do it as he put in the reps. Sam could do the same.
Good point. Yes, I'll be focused on this as the season progresses.
Novak at 6'11" isn't really a good comp. But yeah he was able to quicken the release.
Quote from: #bansultan on July 25, 2018, 07:50:11 AM
I love Sam, but he isn't Doug McDermott. McD was a three time all American and national player of the year. Sam hasn't even made Honorable Mention all Big East.
I wonder what Sam's numbers would look like if he was the focal point of a mid-major offense like McDermott was. Sam was more efficient each of his first two years. eFG% were similar (slight edge to Sam as a freshman, & McDermott as a sophomore). McDermott was a slightly better rebounder, Sam has a better assist & turnover rates.
The biggest difference was usage. But if Sam isn't deferring to guys like JJ, Reinhardt, Luke, Rowsey, & Howard what would those numbers look like?
If Sam was on a team in the A-10, MVC, or Mountain West, might he have posted All-American numbers? Maybe he benefitted more from having Howard & Rowsey around, but maybe he averages 22/8 and is an All-American as the focal point against lower level competition.
I think it is safe to say that Sam is maximizing the tools that are available to him at the Big East college level. His on court performance shows it by both stats and the eye test.
Only time will tell if he can develop the requisite skills for the NBA. The 3 and D role that seems to be in the NBA vanguard these days appears to be a logical fit. The G League is the ideal venue for a young man like Sam to hone those skills, as the pace of play is very fast.
In the meantime I am going to thoroughly enjoy his next two season for MU. Once he is healthy we should see another outstanding year of progress.
JJJ put it very well about Sam:
https://twitter.com/chosenJAUN/status/806649610961883141
Quote from: #bansultan on July 25, 2018, 09:54:51 AM
Novak at 6'11" isn't really a good comp. But yeah he was able to quicken the release.
This isn't on you Sultan...I've stood next to and chatted with Novak. He's the smallest 6'11" guy I've met.
Quote from: real chili 83 on July 25, 2018, 08:06:38 PM
This isn't on you Sultan...I've stood next to and chatted with Novak. He's the smallest 6'11" guy I've met.
Was gonna say similar.
I'd be very surprised if Novak was more than an inch taller than Sam (if that). Sam also seems to have at least as big a wingspan, and he is certainly more athletic than Novak ever was.
IDK. I've stood next to Sam and I've stood next to Novak. I would say Novak has at least 3 inches on Sam. Could be wrong though.
Just for fun let's do a Henry comp...
Sam is a better shooter, better passer, better defender, better 3point shooter, better free throw shooter, and better shooting percentage/EFG.
Hank was a better rebounder.
... and hank went in the first round, pick 18 in what I think was a pretty weak draft.
Sam should do better than that, even next year.
Quote from: WarriorFan on July 26, 2018, 07:12:14 AM
Just for fun let's do a Henry comp...
Sam is a better shooter, better passer, better defender, better 3point shooter, better free throw shooter, and better shooting percentage/EFG.
Hank was a better rebounder.
... and hank went in the first round, pick 18 in what I think was a pretty weak draft.
Sam should do better than that, even next year.
Hank was also an 18 year old compared to a 21 year old Sam Hauser.
I am as big of a Sam Hauser fan as there is. I would give you huge odds that Sam will not be a top 20 pick in the NBA Draft.
Quote from: WarriorFan on July 26, 2018, 07:12:14 AM
Just for fun let's do a Henry comp...
Sam is a better shooter, better passer, better defender, better 3point shooter, better free throw shooter, and better shooting percentage/EFG.
Hank was a better rebounder.
... and hank went in the first round, pick 18 in what I think was a pretty weak draft.
Sam should do better than that, even next year.
Sam is a better college player, but I think it's hard to sell that Henry wasn't the much better pro prospect. And of those skills, rebounding is the one that typically translates best to the next level. I also think those other skills are ones that are more teachable/refineable, whereas size is not.
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 26, 2018, 08:04:43 AM
Sam is a better college player, but I think it's hard to sell that Henry wasn't the much better pro prospect. And of those skills, rebounding is the one that typically translates best to the next level. I also think those other skills are ones that are more teachable/refineable, whereas size is not.
But how do easy rebounds translate?
Crazy, but Sam has never had a 26% or higher usage game in his career. Markus has 34. Koby has 34.
http://latenighthoops.com/projecting-marquettes-2018-19-usage/#.W1noDNVKjIU
Quote from: WarriorFan on July 26, 2018, 07:12:14 AM
Just for fun let's do a Henry comp...
Sam is a better shooter, better passer, better defender, better 3point shooter, better free throw shooter, and better shooting percentage/EFG.
Hank was a better rebounder.
... and hank went in the first round, pick 18 in what I think was a pretty weak draft.
Sam should do better than that, even next year.
Not sure how many times this has to be said, but: Henry was NOT drafted for his current skills. He was picked on upside and scouts' projections of his future performance.
Quote from: Jay Bee on July 26, 2018, 10:28:17 AM
Crazy, but Sam has never had a 26% or higher usage game in his career. Markus has 34. Koby has 34.
http://latenighthoops.com/projecting-marquettes-2018-19-usage/#.W1noDNVKjIU
Why do you project Joey to have a higher usage as a freshman than Sam as a junior? Fewer minutes but more usage? Do you project Sam as a starter and Joey coming off of the bench?
Quote from: tower912 on July 25, 2018, 07:32:00 AM
Sam is a very good college player. I am not sure his combination of size and speed translates to the NBA. 6'7 small forward who shoots well but doesn't beat people off the dribble. I will be I interested to see his lateral quickness this year post hip surgery.
Correction... Sam is 6'8".
OK. Does that fundamentally affect the rest of the narrative?
Quote from: wadesworld on July 26, 2018, 10:52:33 AM
Why do you project Joey to have a higher usage as a freshman than Sam as a junior? Fewer minutes but more usage? Do you project Sam as a starter and Joey coming off of the bench?
Usages are diff based on watching them over the years - just how they play - and statistical analysis.. for Joey, especially him on the adidas circuit.
Yes, would project lower mins for Joey with Sam starting & him coming off the bench. Could see Joey potentially starting at some point during the year tho.
Quote from: Jay Bee on July 26, 2018, 10:28:17 AM
Crazy, but Sam has never had a 26% or higher usage game in his career. Markus has 34. Koby has 34.
http://latenighthoops.com/projecting-marquettes-2018-19-usage/#.W1noDNVKjIU
Hard to have 30+% usage when you aren't a primary ballhandler AND have a hard time creating your own shot. That said, Sam greatly improved his low post game, and see that as an area where he can create his own shot an up usage.
Quote from: #bansultan on July 25, 2018, 07:50:11 AM
I love Sam, but he isn't Doug McDermott. McD was a three time all American and national player of the year. Sam hasn't even made Honorable Mention all Big East.
If Sam does anything close to McD in the NBA, it will be way more than I currently am expecting.
Doug shot and shot and shot. How was his defense vs. Sam's? Sam needs more showmanship and be more selfish if the priority is to emulate Doug McBuckets. That is not Sam.
On the other hand Marcus has the flash while Low key Sam just gets the job done as needed, as a team player. Marcus or a Doug M. have/had a better chance of all American honors because of their showmanship and shooting talent but who is the better player to win games? I loved to watch Doug M. and, of course Marcus is our man. But, there is a special place in my heart for a guy who contributes in all aspects of the game, who is reliable, steady and confident. Sam is my guy because he wins games by playing hard both ends of the court while being a team player. He wills us to win.
Quote from: Class71 on July 26, 2018, 11:42:38 AM
Doug shot and shot and shot. How was his defense vs. Sam's? Sam needs more showmanship and be more selfish if the priority is to emulate Doug McBuckets. That is not Sam.
On the other hand Marcus has the flash while Low key Sam just gets the job done as needed, as a team player. Marcus or a Doug M. have/had a better chance of all American honors because of their showmanship and shooting talent but who is the better player to win games? I loved to watch Doug M. and, of course Marcus is our man. But, there is a special place in my heart for a guy who contributes in all aspects of the game, who is reliable, steady and confident. Sam is my guy because he wins games by playing hard both ends of the court while being a team player. He wills us to win.
I mean I love Sam too.
But I think a lot of the things you are saying about Sam you can say about McD too. He was a .600+ EFG shooter with a high usage rate. Of course he was going to shoot a lot. You'd be dumb NOT to have him shoot a lot. And I don't think his defense was poor. And I never heard that he wasn't a "team player" or didn't "will them to win" either.
Love Sam all you want, but I think people who think he's going to be better than McD are trending toward "wearing blue and gold goggles" territory.
I certainly didn't mean to start a debate about Sam being as good as Mcdermott. Doug was National player of the Year as a senior.
I think it's silly to think Sam is going to reach that level. Jus thought it was an interesting stat to show that Sam is in some pretty good company based on his play his first 2 years.
Quote from: #bansultan on July 26, 2018, 12:19:11 PMLove Sam all you want, but I think people who think he's going to be better than McD are trending toward "wearing blue and gold goggles" territory.
I don't think it's saying better than McD. I think Sam's numbers, however, are as much a product of his environment as McDermott's were. Put Sam on a New Mexico team that was deep but had no one playing more than 67% of minutes and no one taking even 25% of the shots and I think he easily could've been a 20/8 guy and in the mix for an All-American team. If he's the go-to guy against Mountain West opposition? He definitely could have posted monster numbers. I think he could've had a similarly massive impact on St. Louis in the A-10, Western Kentucky in C-USA, or Bradley in the MVC.
Maybe Sam's ball deference is simply in his nature, and McDermott's ball dominance was in his. But Sam has played in systems that are designed around primarily dynamic scoring guards while McDermott played in a system where they ran everything through him. I don't think Sam will end up with the accolades McDermott was given. I do think if you swapped them at the same periods of their lives, Sam could've put up McDermott numbers and McDermott would've put up Sam numbers.
Doug played with less dynamic scorers alongside him than Sam did and against inferior opposition. I don't think either of those things are really debatable. Who knows exactly what could've been for either of them, but I think they are a lot more similar than you give them credit for, especially when you look at the advanced metrics.
Quote from: Floorslapper on July 26, 2018, 11:40:26 AM
Hard to have 30+% usage when you aren't a primary ballhandler AND have a hard time creating your own shot. That said, Sam greatly improved his low post game, and see that as an area where he can create his own shot an up usage.
Being picky I know but I would say Sam improved his mid post game ala James Worthy. Didn't really post low too much.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on July 26, 2018, 11:19:29 AM
Correction... Sam is 6'8".
And Novak was listed at 6-10.
So right there ... that's 2 fewer inches than those who though Sam was listed at 6-7 and Novak at 6-11.
Maybe Novak had 2 inches on him. Maybe.
Quote from: WarriorFan on July 26, 2018, 07:12:14 AM
Just for fun let's do a Henry comp...
Sam is a better shooter, better passer, better defender, better 3point shooter, better free throw shooter, and better shooting percentage/EFG.
Hank was a better rebounder.
... and hank went in the first round, pick 18 in what I think was a pretty weak draft.
Sam should do better than that, even next year.
Henry was an excellent passer. Sometimes tried to be too fancy with his passes, but he was good at finding open teammates.
Henry was probably a better ballhandler. Very comfortable bringing the ball up court, often led fast breaks (sometimes with a bad result, but sometimes not).
Henry obviously was a better rebounder. Taller, heavier and stronger.
Henry was 18, was recruited by bluebloods, and many NBA teams loved his potential before he ever played a game for the Warriors. Sam was crapped on by Wisconsin - which I still find effen hilarious - and had to earn the respect he has gotten.
Quote from: WarriorFan on July 26, 2018, 07:12:14 AM
Just for fun let's do a Henry comp...
Sam is a better shooter, better passer, better defender, better 3point shooter, better free throw shooter, and better shooting percentage/EFG.
Hank was a better rebounder.
... and hank went in the first round, pick 18 in what I think was a pretty weak draft.
Sam should do better than that, even next year.
You're not looking at usage. Sam as a frosh had a usage of 13.6%. You're not going to find many SFs who had a usage in the low to mid teens in college playing in the NBA. Henry's usage was almost double Sam's frosh year.
Re Sam vs Henry and McDermott:
Because Henry spent (wasted) so much of his time hanging out around the 3 point line chucking (poorly) and Sam plays (too much?) within himself, I'd rate Sam the better college player - but Henry still has the talent/size edge, hence much more NBA interest.
Sultan is spot on re Sam vs McDermott - it's no contest, very good vs great. Only blue and gold slurpers and maybe Mr and Mrs Hauser would disagree.
Quote from: Jay Bee on July 26, 2018, 03:15:07 PM
You're not looking at usage. Sam as a frosh had a usage of 13.6%. You're not going to find many SFs who had a usage in the low to mid teens in college playing in the NBA. Henry's usage was almost double Sam's frosh year.
JFB, Sam's kindred spirit mentality/efficiency-wise, went 14.1 / 20.6 / 21.4 usage his 3 years at MU and he's a top 5 two-way wing in the NBA
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on July 26, 2018, 04:38:49 PM
JFB, Sam's kindred spirit mentality/efficiency-wise, went 14.1 / 20.6 / 21.4 usage his 3 years at MU and he's a top 5 two-way wing in the NBA
Defense.
It Jimmy and Sam are not really comparable players on the court.
Jimmy was/is an athletic slasher who got to the free throw line a lot and was a great defender. Didn't shoot many 3s.....tough as nails.
Sam is just not that guy.....both very good college players but very different in what they brought to the table.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 26, 2018, 04:13:27 PM
Re Sam vs Henry and McDermott:
Because Henry spent (wasted) so much of his time hanging out around the 3 point line chucking (poorly) and Sam plays (too much?) within himself, I'd rate Sam the better college player - but Henry still has the talent/size edge, hence much more NBA interest.
Sultan is spot on re Sam vs McDermott - it's no contest, very good vs great. Only blue and gold slurpers and maybe Mr and Mrs Hauser would disagree.
Burp! I like my colored glasses! ;D
Quote from: Jay Bee on July 26, 2018, 04:56:07 PM
Defense.
Exactly. Buzz sicked JFB on Tu Holloway (Xavier's best player/scorer and a quick PG) and Jimmy embarrassed him. Sam is a solid defender but not in that league.
So would anyone care to address the question of whether Sam could be a 20/8 guy or better as the primary option on a mid-major team, or is the "McDermott is better, I'll dodge the actual question" going to be the stock answer?
Quote from: MU82 on July 26, 2018, 02:45:17 PM
Henry was an excellent passer. Sometimes tried to be too fancy with his passes, but he was good at finding open teammates.
Henry was probably a better ballhandler. Very comfortable bringing the ball up court, often led fast breaks (sometimes with a bad result, but sometimes not).
Henry obviously was a better rebounder. Taller, heavier and stronger.
Henry was 18, was recruited by bluebloods, and many NBA teams loved his potential before he ever played a game for the Warriors. Sam was crapped on by Wisconsin - which I still find effen hilarious - and had to earn the respect he has gotten.
No. Sam is much better than Henry, who was careless with the ball and not the shooter that Sam is.
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 26, 2018, 08:45:45 PM
So would anyone care to address the question of whether Sam could be a 20/8 guy or better as the primary option on a mid-major team, or is the "McDermott is better, I'll dodge the actual question" going to be the stock answer?
Sam could be a 20/8 guy on a mid-major team.
AND
McDermott is better
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 26, 2018, 08:45:45 PM
So would anyone care to address the question of whether Sam could be a 20/8 guy or better as the primary option on a mid-major team, or is the "McDermott is better, I'll dodge the actual question" going to be the stock answer?
Gabe Levin and Ryan Welage are good mid major comps.
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 26, 2018, 08:45:45 PM
So would anyone care to address the question of whether Sam could be a 20/8 guy or better as the primary option on a mid-major team, or is the "McDermott is better, I'll dodge the actual question" going to be the stock answer?
McDermott almost singlehandedly turned a mid-major team into a top 20 team. Sam has better talent around him but hasn't led Marquette to top 20 status yet. If you put Sam on those Creighton teams, he might put up 20/8 but they wouldn't have been as good as they were.
Also, when McDermott won NPOY Creighton was in the Big East. They were a high major team.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on July 27, 2018, 12:11:22 AM
McDermott almost singlehandedly turned a mid-major team into a top 20 team. Sam has better talent around him but hasn't led Marquette to top 20 status yet. If you put Sam on those Creighton teams, he might put up 20/8 but they wouldn't have been as good as they were.
Also, when McDermott won NPOY Creighton was in the Big East. They were a high major team.
And he was a senior, while Sam has only played through his sophomore year. Look at how good those first two Creighton teams were. His freshman year they entered one of the pay to play tournaments, his sophomore year they were the 8-seed auto bid from a 2-bid league (which is a likely bubble team if they don't get the auto).
Also, worth looking at their schedule to see what Creighton was doing in non-conference play during McDermott's first two years. He didn't instantly turn them into world beaters.
Look at the advanced numbers and tell me where he doesn't match up. Usage, for sure, but Sam's advanced numbers improved as a sophomore with higher usage.
Sam's no Larry Bird. But McDermott wasn't either, despite what Sports Illustrated tried to tell us.
We will see if his advanced numbers hold up as his usage increases.
And I have no idea why you're bringing up Larry Bird.
Quote from: MuMark on July 26, 2018, 04:58:14 PM
It Jimmy and Sam are not really comparable players on the court.
Jimmy was/is an athletic slasher who got to the free throw line a lot and was a great defender. Didn't shoot many 3s.....tough as nails.
Sam is just not that guy.....both very good college players but very different in what they brought to the table.
They are comparable mentality/efficiency-wise, which is all I was saying. Both are/were hyper-aware of the value of the basketball, what a good shot is/isn't, and where they fit within the context of the overall team. They both were also not afraid to shoot it once that shot presented itself, and they convert at a very high rate.
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 26, 2018, 08:45:45 PM
So would anyone care to address the question of whether Sam could be a 20/8 guy or better as the primary option on a mid-major team, or is the "McDermott is better, I'll dodge the actual question" going to be the stock answer?
Sure, that's easy. Sam could average 20/8 or better as the primary option on a mid major team. I don't think anyone would dispute that. And Morrow could easily average 18 and 11 as the primary option on a mid major team. Would that make them 3 time Americans or National Player of the year or the #11 pick in the draft? No - because they're not nearly as good at playing basketball as Doug McDermott.
Quote from: Newsdreams Likes Chardonnay on July 26, 2018, 09:29:57 AM
Rebotes fáciles
I just want to say that this reply was underappreciated by the board. Well done.
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 27, 2018, 06:02:09 AM
Look at the advanced numbers and tell me where he doesn't match up. Usage, for sure, but Sam's advanced numbers improved as a sophomore with higher usage.
Six (6) players on Marquette's current roster have combined for 81 games where their usage was > 25%. Sam has had zero (0). If he's a comp to Doug McDermott, Wojo should be fired immediately. I'll take that back - he should have been fired after Sam's freshman year.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 27, 2018, 09:11:51 AM
Six (6) players on Marquette's current roster have combined for 81 games where their usage was > 25%. Sam has had zero (0). If he's a comp to Doug McDermott, Wojo should be fired immediately. I'll take that back - he should have been fired after Sam's freshman year.
As a Freshman, Sam lead the team in minutes. He just doesn't take many low percentage shots.
I definitely agree that Sam is pretty good. Can be great. I think this year will be a bit up and down as he comes back from injury, but as he comes back I hope to see some quickness on O and D... a little bit of JFB type play. I think the injury means he stays as a senior and by then he's absolutely a "go-to" guy. Probably still much lower usage than McD or even JFB but excellent efficiency and sets himself up to enter the league as a D and 3 guy.
Quote from: #bansultan on July 27, 2018, 06:21:13 AMAnd I have no idea why you're bringing up Larry Bird.
Because those were the comps thrown around constantly when McDermott was at Creighton. SI did a magazine cover that mirrored one of Bird's college covers.
As much as I think people here are undervaluing Sam, people also overvalued McDermott. Was McD efficient? Yes. But he was an All-American as a sophomore because of the usage and because Creighton had no one else. And because he was an All-American as a sophomore, he continued to get the marketing that came with that.
Had he played on deeper teams that didn't run everything through him (say the past two MU teams) or in a tougher league early on, he probably never gets those early accolades or the comparisons to Bird, a legit all timer.
The reason I think the comparison is closer than many here think is because McDermott wasn't as great as people like to think, and his post-college career has reinforced that.
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 27, 2018, 12:21:41 PM
Because those were the comps thrown around constantly when McDermott was at Creighton. SI did a magazine cover that mirrored one of Bird's college covers.
As much as I think people here are undervaluing Sam, people also overvalued McDermott. Was McD efficient? Yes. But he was an All-American as a sophomore because of the usage and because Creighton had no one else. And because he was an All-American as a sophomore, he continued to get the marketing that came with that.
Had he played on deeper teams that didn't run everything through him (say the past two MU teams) or in a tougher league early on, he probably never gets those early accolades or the comparisons to Bird, a legit all timer.
The reason I think the comparison is closer than many here think is because McDermott wasn't as great as people like to think, and his post-college career has reinforced that.
It's both. His high level of efficiency and high usage is what made him an All American. You can't just dismiss McDermott because he had high usage. The fact that he was that efficient with zero help on his team makes him more impressive, not less.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on July 27, 2018, 12:28:39 PM
It's both. His high level of efficiency and high usage is what made him an All American. You can't just dismiss McDermott because he had high usage. The fact that he was that efficient with zero help on his team makes him more impressive, not less.
But I'm talking the difference between him and Sam. If instead of two guys hunting their own shots like AR and Howard, Sam had two guys dedicated to getting him the ball like Gibbs and Young, I think he could've very closely mirrored McDermott's sophomore year.
Quote from: TSmith34 on July 27, 2018, 10:31:45 AM
As a Freshman, Sam lead the team in minutes. He just doesn't take many low percentage shots.
This is true, but in nearly every game there are low percentage plays/shots that a team is forced to make/take. Until Sam asserts himself in those situations his ceiling is "really really good" instead of great.
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 27, 2018, 12:49:05 PM
But I'm talking the difference between him and Sam. If instead of two guys hunting their own shots like AR and Howard, Sam had two guys dedicated to getting him the ball like Gibbs and Young, I think he could've very closely mirrored McDermott's sophomore year.
I really don't think it had anything to do with MH and AR shot hunting. Sam is who is. He's an ultra efficient player who only makes a play when its the right one. His low usage isn't because he didn't get the ball enough its because he is more likely make a pass then take a less than ideal shot. If he didn't play that way, his usage would have gone up but his efficiency down. Don't get me wrong, Sam is a great player and I do think he is one of the most undervalued in the league but I don't think he's been as good as Dougie McBuckets was.....which is fine. Only one guy gets to be National Player of the Year every year. Maybe Sam grows into that, we will see.
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 27, 2018, 12:21:41 PM
Because those were the comps thrown around constantly when McDermott was at Creighton. SI did a magazine cover that mirrored one of Bird's college covers.
Your magazine cover (mirroring one of McDermott's college covers for Sam) is as off base as SI's was. McDermott was efficient in spite of the D knowing he was the go to guy and doing everything they could to stop him. Sam was efficient as the third option in the offense and the third guy opponent's game planned for. Huge difference.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 27, 2018, 01:06:02 PM
This is true, but in nearly every game there are low percentage plays/shots that a team is forced to make/take. Until Sam asserts himself in those situations his ceiling is "really really good" instead of great.
I agree with this.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 27, 2018, 01:51:47 PM
Your magazine cover (mirroring one of McDermott's college covers for Sam) is as off base as SI's was. McDermott was efficient in spite of the D knowing he was the go to guy and doing everything they could to stop him. Sam was efficient as the third option in the offense and the third guy opponent's game planned for. Huge difference.
And this.
2-for-2, Lenny. Very efficient usage.
A number of coaches in the BE talked about how Sam was the #1 focus on their scouting report.
But Sam isn't Doug.