1. The student section
2. The ref on the baseline
Howard ish. Though that last couple of minutes were bad and make me despair for him playing the point next year.
Heldt
Quote from: #UnleashRowsey on March 14, 2018, 08:11:45 PM
1. The student section
2. The ref on the baseline
Push-up bit during Harvard FTs was one of the best Ive seen
No one
Howard. Ability to dribble was lacking, but actually played defense and put in enough points while no one else really came to play.
Quote from: GoldenZebra on March 14, 2018, 08:12:39 PM
Push-up bit during Harvard FTs was one of the best Ive seen
Lacrosse team?
LAX bros. Easy call.
No one in a gold jersey tonight, unfortunately.
Quote from: GoldenZebra on March 14, 2018, 08:12:39 PM
Push-up bit during Harvard FTs was one of the best Ive seen
Agree and it worked.
Cain
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 14, 2018, 08:24:26 PM
Cain
I would argue that he had too many careless turnovers, but everyone had too many careless turnovers, so.... why not.
Howard since no one else could score. Cain had moments too.
Markus I guess.
I liked Cain tonight. Very active. Is it just me or does he have some serious hops?
Student section was great!
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 14, 2018, 08:25:48 PM
Howard since no one else could score. Cain had moments too.
Rowsey
Quote from: tower912 on March 14, 2018, 08:25:29 PM
I would argue that he had too many careless turnovers, but everyone had too many careless turnovers, so.... why not.
Agree, but it looked like his level of effort was better than everyone else
Give it to Matty!
Matty. He played the best game of anyone. I can't think of a single error that he made.
Quote from: warriorchick on March 14, 2018, 08:29:08 PM
Matty. He played the best game of anyone. I can't think of a single error that he made.
Inexplicably passed up that open layup to try to throw it through two guys to Sacar(?) in the corner.
Not because of that, but I'd give it to Howard. He was our offense for a while.
Quote from: war1980rior on March 14, 2018, 08:27:06 PM
I liked Cain tonight. Very active. Is it just me or does he have some serious hops?
Student section was great!
Hope that wasn't a serious injury to Jamal. Looked really awkward. Jamal has HUGE upside. His travels/struggles are all strength related at this point. I mentioned him as a possible redshirt candidate next year (if he could be sold into the idea). Takes a LONG time for lanky guys like Jamal to add strength.
Jamal with 20 lbs of pure muscle will be a STUD.
But..no SOTG for this game. Maybe Heldt?
Quote from: warriorchick on March 14, 2018, 08:29:08 PM
Matty. He played the best game of anyone. I can't think of a single error that he made.
Trying to pass to the corner instead of dunking.
So what was that student section and why aren't they at every game. Also please in New arena student section both baselines please.
Matt only one error
Warrior chick
Matt whiffed on a wide open dunk opportunity. I would call that an error.
I give the announcing crew SOTG. They talked up Wojo and MU very well. Only negative, a TV audience of 200 heard it.
Quote from: warriorstrack on March 14, 2018, 08:27:22 PM
Rowsey
Rowsey since he led with 6 turnovers and missed how many shots with zero rebounds.
Lax bros
Quote from: tower912 on March 14, 2018, 08:12:25 PM
Howard ish. Though that last couple of minutes were bad and make me despair for him playing the point next year.
Howard when he played SG
Cain on defensive side only
I think Matty exhibited the best overall play.
Heldt.
Harry. He was the only one who didn't f@ck up.
I'm going with Matty. Honorable mention Cain.
Ice tub for half the team. Wojo almost motioned for Eng up on 211.
Heldt. Only one who played a clean game. Nice job as an eraser tonight
If Cain didn't have 5 turnovers, so Heldt with 4 points, 8 rebounds, 3 blocks.
Consolation to the Harvard player Bassey, who the announcer made seem he was the second coming of Kevin Durant.
19 points, 12 rebounds and 8 turnovers, almost triple double.
Gotta go Markus then Heldt then Cain.
Quote from: chapman on March 14, 2018, 08:18:21 PM
Howard. Ability to dribble was lacking, but actually played defense and put in enough points while no one else really came to play.
This
Matt. He dominated defensively inside, and had 8 rebounds, 3 blocks and several forced travels. Harvard tried to take it down low early and he made them change their game plan.
Lax guys had four great bits.
1) Bobsled (I believe it was bobsled anyway)
2) Guy swimming (crowd surfing) back and forth
3) Entire section splits to have lone guy lift up shirt and dance
4) Entire section splits to have guy doing bench press with other guy
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 14, 2018, 09:06:08 PM
Lax guys had four great bits.
1) Bobsled (I believe it was bobsled anyway)
2) Guy swimming (crowd surfing) back and forth
3) Entire section splits to have lone guy lift up shirt and dance
4) Entire section splits to have guy doing bench press with other guy
Twas a Rollercoaster.
Quote from: Hagans Cannon on March 14, 2018, 08:49:14 PM
Sorry, I can't count, can't see.
Twice passed up open layup looks to pass, to outside both turnovers had a rebound possession and just fumbled with no defensive pressure on him (this happens about once per game)
Matt Heldt. His defense was as good as he's played all year. That helped set the tone and decide the game. Played 30 minutes, pulled down 8 rebounds, blocked 3 shots, and added 8 points and an assist with just 1 turnover.
Cain
Don't have access to box score, what were Sacar numbers?
Quote from: Newsdreams on March 14, 2018, 09:12:54 PMDon't have access to box score, what were Sacar numbers?
30 minutes, 2-5 FG, 4 pts, 3 rebounds, 1 turnover, 1 steal.
Howard's the obvious choice - he even made 3 or 4 defensive plays. But that was one ugly final couple minutes; unacceptable for a PG(ish) guy.
Otherwise, Heldt and Cain are the only other possibilities. In that case, Heldt affected the game quite a bit in a positive way.
Quote from: #UnleashRowsey on March 14, 2018, 09:10:21 PM
Twas a Rollercoaster.
That actually makes a lot more sense.
Quote from: warriorstrack on March 14, 2018, 09:12:15 PMCain
His 3 steals and 6 rebounds were big. But 5 turnovers are very costly.
Heldt
Howard
Quote from: Marcus92 on March 14, 2018, 09:14:43 PM
30 minutes, 2-5 FG, 4 pts, 3 rebounds, 1 turnover, 1 steal.
No good. M2N is obvious choice then. Good D an decent (for him) offense
Quote from: Class71 on March 14, 2018, 08:33:35 PM
Rowsey since he led with 6 turnovers and missed how many shots with zero rebounds.
Yep Rowsey
Markus. He was very good for the first 37 minutes.
Markus. He was SOTG for 39 minutes. The last minute shouldn't disqualify him.
Matt stood out to me for his overall defensive effort.
KPom says Markus
Matt Heldt
Honorable Mention Markus
Quote from: Goose on March 14, 2018, 08:33:21 PM
Warrior chick
Matt whiffed on a wide open dunk opportunity. I would call that an error.
I give the announcing crew SOTG. They talked up Wojo and MU very well. Only negative, a TV audience of 200 heard it.
Still they were terrible. And 200 on espn, no...
Howard, he played good defense!
Matt the man.m he played well - best player on the court
Students behind the south basket for STUDS of the Game. Loved the energy. Hoping that was a sign of things to come in the new arena.
I had to laugh at the guy dogging the Harvard players for not being able to get "into" Marquette. It was unfortunate his sign had a grammatical error. LOL!
Hard to pick anybody. :-[
I'd go with Heldt. He seemed to play his role pretty well and didn't monumentally screw up like everybody else did at times.
I know people are frustrated with Howard's last 50 seconds, but seriously it was only the last 50 seconds where he struggled. In the first 39 minutes and 10 seconds he was:
20 points, 2 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 steals, 2 turnovers, 2 fouls.
If I got that from my starting PG every night I would be ecstatic.
He struggled in the last minute against the press. Really he just had two bad possessions in a row where he turned it over. 6 bad seconds. I don't think 6 bad seconds should erase the rest of the game....or be used to determine that Howard can never ever be a point guard. Especially when our best weapon against the press (Sam) was out due to injury.
1) the fans were awesome! Those students were hilarious!
2) Markus for SOTG. He had a crummy last min. The rest of the game was real solid.
Matt was glue.
The LAX team stole the show.
I think Markus, Sam, and the gang need to show up and be super fans at a lacrosse game now as a thank you.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on March 15, 2018, 06:32:25 AM
The LAX team stole the show.
I think Markus, Sam, and the gang need to show up and be super fans at a lacrosse game now as a thank you.
I see that the lacrosse team has a game on Saturday in Ann Arbor. Hopefully they'll be back in time to again support the b-ball team. I agree that the b-ball team needs to go to a lacrosse game.
Cain
LAX team, hands down. The rest of the team was terrible against a terrible Harvard team playing without their best 2 players on the road. No way this MU team deserved the NCAA. We were embarrassing last night. We should have beaten that team by 30 going away. Bad coaching, bad discipline, bad execution, sloppy - And Rowsey as Senior was terrible with the ball. Butt should have been pulled and put on the bench. Way to many defensive lapses gave up easy layups. Announcers were saying how good our D was - they were also terrible and blind. Harvard was just bad. Last two minutes shows that we are in big trouble if we don't pick up a point guard late for next year. LAX team was by far the best thing of the night.
Quote from: Charlotte Warrior on March 15, 2018, 07:19:37 AM
LAX team, hands down. The rest of the team was terrible against a terrible Harvard team playing without their best 2 players on the road. No way this MU team deserved the NCAA. We were embarrassing last night. We should have beaten that team by 30 going away. Bad coaching, bad discipline, bad execution, sloppy - And Rowsey as Senior was terrible with the ball. Butt should have been pulled and put on the bench. Way to many defensive lapses gave up easy layups. Announcers were saying how good our D was - they were also terrible and blind. Harvard was just bad. Last two minutes shows that we are in big trouble if we don't pick up a point guard late for next year. LAX team was by far the best thing of the night.
No idea what game you were watching. The defensive effort was the best since the buy-game season outside of the first and third games v. DePaul. They had a 19 point lead and let off the gas too early. It happens.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 15, 2018, 12:02:08 AM
I know people are frustrated with Howard's last 50 seconds, but seriously it was only the last 50 seconds where he struggled. In the first 39 minutes and 10 seconds he was:
20 points, 2 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 steals, 2 turnovers, 2 fouls.
If I got that from my starting PG every night I would be ecstatic.
He struggled in the last minute against the press. Really he just had two bad possessions in a row where he turned it over. 6 bad seconds. I don't think 6 bad seconds should erase the rest of the game....or be used to determine that Howard can never ever be a point guard. Especially when our best weapon against the press (Sam) was out due to injury.
I think you're downplaying the turnover thing a little. As another poster said, I think the stats folks might have missed a couple of earlier ones. And at the end, it actually was 3 straight possessions. On the third, he moved it across midcourt into a double-team, picked up his dribble, jumped into the air and tried to throw a cross-court pass - that is a violation of 3 basic fundamental "laws" on one freakin' play! Thankfully, the ball was deflected out of bounds and we kept possession. He was absolutely lost out there the last minute, almost like he was shell-shocked.
I agree that the absence of Sam was huge.
But I get your overall point, and it's why Markus would be my first choice, too. Then Heldt. Then Cain. Then nobody.
Quote from: #bansultan on March 15, 2018, 07:44:52 AM
No idea what game you were watching. The defensive effort was the best since the buy-game season outside of the first and third games v. DePaul. They had a 19 point lead and let off the gas too early. It happens.
You thinking that our best defensive games of year were against terrible opponents solidifies that it wasn't our defense. Their two top players were out! We were competent in D for the first part of Q1 and in Q3 - the rest of the time we stunk the place up, as is our MO under this regime. But Harvard was bad. Effort does not = good defense. Playing inept offensive teams does not = good defense. Harvard got good looks, and tons of second chances because we don't box out, easy layups, we had horrible rotations. Harvard also had a ton of unforced TO and they were just plain bad with the ball. Harvard would have looked bad in a practice against no opponent yesterday.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 15, 2018, 12:02:08 AM
I know people are frustrated with Howard's last 50 seconds, but seriously it was only the last 50 seconds where he struggled. In the first 39 minutes and 10 seconds he was:
20 points, 2 rebounds, 3 assists, 3 steals, 2 turnovers, 2 fouls.
If I got that from my starting PG every night I would be ecstatic.
He struggled in the last minute against the press. Really he just had two bad possessions in a row where he turned it over. 6 bad seconds. I don't think 6 bad seconds should erase the rest of the game....or be used to determine that Howard can never ever be a point guard. Especially when our best weapon against the press (Sam) was out due to injury.
So moronic, u realize he didnt pkay point guard for those 39 minutes right? It doesnt translate. Even during those 39 minutes he had three turnovers but was only credited for 2. Howard with ball in hands to shoot is good, howard with ball in hands to dribble or distribute is very very very bad.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 15, 2018, 08:09:27 AM
So moronic, u realize he didnt pkay point guard for those 39 minutes right? It doesnt translate. Even during those 39 minutes he had three turnovers but was only credited for 2. Howard with ball in hands to shoot is good, howard with ball in hands to dribble or distribute is very very very bad.
you do realize our offense does not have a "traditional", Not in the Chico's sense, point guard. Howard handled the ball quite a bit in the front.court last night. He played well until the last couple of.minutes.
As an aside, I want to make it my crusade to make it an assist, when a pass leads to a defensive foul and made free throws. Why shouldnt it be?
MU82
I agree with you. If you simply look at the stat line, it was job well done. I have said countless times on here, the eye test sometimes does not match the stat line.
Btw Rowsey wasn't that bad. At least 4 of his turnovers were due to Heldt dropping the ball which for some reason count as a pg turnover. His shoot selection was also not bad, some days they just don't fall.
Another thing: Not every turnover is a "bad turnover". If the shot clock is at 4 seconds and Rowsey or Howard drops it in low to the post and it gets knocked away and stolen thats not a "bad turnover" just like if one of them chucked it from 20 feet, it may fall or it may not. With 3 seconds on the clock you have to do something though.
No. Rowsey was pretty poor.
Quote from: #UnleashRowsey on March 15, 2018, 10:46:23 AM
Btw Rowsey wasn't that bad. At least 4 of his turnovers were due to Heldt dropping the ball which for some reason count as a pg turnover. His shoot selection was also not bad, some days they just don't fall.
Another thing: Not every turnover is a "bad turnover". If the shot clock is at 4 seconds and Rowsey or Howard drops it in low to the post and it gets knocked away and stolen thats not a "bad turnover" just like if one of them chucked it from 20 feet, it may fall or it may not. With 3 seconds on the clock you have to do something though.
Heldt was not dropping the ball. Each of those times he was simply trying to deal with a lazy, overly-fancy, or completely illogical pass from Rowsey.
Quote from: #bansultan on March 15, 2018, 10:54:20 AM
No. Rowsey was pretty poor.
This. You can almost tell when we're getting Bad Andrew within the first couple minutes. Too much conversation with officials. Too lazy on the passes. Too little listening to coach. Too much thinking he's simply better than the opponent instead of buckling down and proving it.
As he often does, I bet he'll focus here in the next couple days and we'll get Good Andrew in Sunday.
Quote from: MU82 on March 15, 2018, 08:01:10 AM
I think you're downplaying the turnover thing a little. As another poster said, I think the stats folks might have missed a couple of earlier ones. And at the end, it actually was 3 straight possessions. On the third, he moved it across midcourt into a double-team, picked up his dribble, jumped into the air and tried to throw a cross-court pass - that is a violation of 3 basic fundamental "laws" on one freakin' play! Thankfully, the ball was deflected out of bounds and we kept possession. He was absolutely lost out there the last minute, almost like he was shell-shocked.
I agree that the absence of Sam was huge.
But I get your overall point, and it's why Markus would be my first choice, too. Then Heldt. Then Cain. Then nobody.
I don't blame Markus for that third one. They showed that replay multiple times. He was getting mugged but the refs weren't calling it for some reason. I also don't penalize players for "should have been turnovers". We kept the ball and took 5 seconds off the clock. It wasn't pretty but it was a positive.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on March 15, 2018, 08:09:27 AM
So moronic, u realize he didnt pkay point guard for those 39 minutes right? It doesnt translate. Even during those 39 minutes he had three turnovers but was only credited for 2. Howard with ball in hands to shoot is good, howard with ball in hands to dribble or distribute is very very very bad.
I don't believe I said he was playing PG the entire time. Rowsey takes a lionshare of the "PG" duties when the two are together but Markus takes them on as well. I don't know what 3rd turnover you are talking about.
Personally, I think this board has a bias against score first guards and has gotten so used to Markus dropping 20+ points that it is written off
Quote from: #UnleashRowsey on March 15, 2018, 10:46:23 AM
Btw Rowsey wasn't that bad. At least 4 of his turnovers were due to Heldt dropping the ball which for some reason count as a pg turnover. His shoot selection was also not bad, some days they just don't fall.
Another thing: Not every turnover is a "bad turnover". If the shot clock is at 4 seconds and Rowsey or Howard drops it in low to the post and it gets knocked away and stolen thats not a "bad turnover" just like if one of them chucked it from 20 feet, it may fall or it may not. With 3 seconds on the clock you have to do something though.
It is a bad turnover when Rowsey passed the ball to Heldt near the 3 point line with 4 seconds on the shot clock.
Quote from: Waldo Jeffers on March 15, 2018, 11:44:20 AMIt is a bad turnover when Rowsey passed the ball to Heldt near the 3 point line with 4 seconds on the shot clock.
That was truly a terrible decision. What an awful possession.
Quote from: jsglow on March 15, 2018, 11:10:02 AM
This. You can almost tell when we're getting Bad Andrew within the first couple minutes. Too much conversation with officials. Too lazy on the passes. Too little listening to coach. Too much thinking he's simply better than the opponent instead of buckling down and proving it.
As he often does, I bet he'll focus here in the next couple days and we'll get Good Andrew in Sunday.
It started right off the bat when he didn't get a The Thing call. He was jaw jacking the ref until after the next out of bounds play.
Quote from: jsglow on March 15, 2018, 11:10:02 AM
Too much thinking he's simply better than the opponent instead of buckling down and proving it.
Completely agree. I thought this was the problem. Total nonchalance early on led to so many of the turnovers.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 15, 2018, 11:19:50 AM
I don't blame Markus for that third one. They showed that replay multiple times. He was getting mugged but the refs weren't calling it for some reason. I also don't penalize players for "should have been turnovers". We kept the ball and took 5 seconds off the clock. It wasn't pretty but it was a positive.
Come on, TAMU. He dribbled into a double team just inside the frontcourt. He deserved to be mugged! I wanted to mug him!!!!
Any update?