I suppose Marquette could make the NCAA Tournament, but their resume leans NIT. The blowout loss to Villanova doesn't help.
In all honesty, they don't look like a NCAA Tournament team to me.
Quote from: warriorfred on March 08, 2018, 07:48:46 PM
I suppose Marquette could make the NCAA Tournament, but their resume leans NIT. The blowout loss to Villanova doesn't help.
In all honesty, they don't look like a NCAA Tournament team to me.
Nope...once they lost to DePaul two weeks ago, it was over..that was pretty obvious.
Quote from: muguru on March 08, 2018, 07:53:28 PM
Nope...once they lost to DePaul two weeks ago, it was over..that was pretty obvious.
Because you're on the selection committee
This resume would have been a NCAA lock any of the past 10 years. I wouldn't write this team off yet.
Does anyone else picture guru screaming into his pillow with tears streaming down his face?
Quote from: warriorfred on March 08, 2018, 07:48:46 PM
I suppose Marquette could make the NCAA Tournament, but their resume leans NIT. The blowout loss to Villanova doesn't help.
In all honesty, they don't look like a NCAA Tournament team to me.
Do you realize that MU will have the same record this year as they did last year? Against a tougher schedule?
The RPI of this team is actually better than last year's.
My guess is Dayton at best though.
Quote from: #bansultan on March 08, 2018, 07:57:09 PM
Do you realize that MU will have the same record this year as they did last year? Against a tougher schedule?
The RPI of this team is actually better than last year's.
My guess is Dayton at best though.
Stupid truth.
I don't blame anyone for looking at the DePaul loss and wondering what might have been? That was probably the deciding game in the home stretch.
The thing of it is that I look at this year's Marquette team and on the balance they do not look like a typical NCAA tournament team. The close loss to Villanova and the blowout win over Seton Hall says "yes." But the loss to DePaul and St John's says "no."
I wear blue and gold glasses, but i am not seeing it.
Quote from: #bansultan on March 08, 2018, 07:57:09 PM
Do you realize that MU will have the same record this year as they did last year? Against a tougher schedule?
The RPI of this team is actually better than last year's.
They don't have that top 10 win though =/. That's what got them in last year. It'll be close this year
My guess is Dayton at best though.
Quote from: warriorfred on March 08, 2018, 08:00:00 PM
I don't blame anyone for looking at the DePaul loss and wondering what might have been? That was probably the deciding game in the home stretch.
The thing of it is that I look at this year's Marquette team and on the balance they do not look like a typical NCAA tournament team. The close loss to Villanova and the blowout win over Seton Hall says "yes." But the loss to DePaul and St John's says "no."
I wear blue and gold glasses, but i am not seeing it.
They're young!!!
Quote from: #bansultan on March 08, 2018, 07:57:09 PM
Do you realize that MU will have the same record this year as they did last year? Against a tougher schedule?
The RPI of this team is actually better than last year's.
My guess is Dayton at best though.
I didn't know that. But last year's team seemed better on a certain level. I am having difficulty describing it. Maybe because there was no "signature" win this year.
Quote from: muguru on March 08, 2018, 08:01:08 PM
They're young!!!
That's no excuse for you guru. Shoulda won by 20, no excuse
The lesson of this season is don't lose to DePaul
Look at all these bracketologists come out of the woodwork. We'll see sunday.
No consistency all year, outside of some record games by the midgets,another what could have been year.
Only post I am going to make in here tonight.
Not all is lost. We still have a chance. 50/50 proposition.
Beating Nova was always a prayer. That's the best team in the country.
We'll see what Sunday brings. Dayton wouldn't surprise me.
Could be a 1 seed, maybe a 2. Close down the BC with two, maybe three more?
Quote from: #bansultan on March 08, 2018, 07:57:09 PM
Do you realize that MU will have the same record this year as they did last year? Against a tougher schedule?
The RPI of this team is actually better than last year's.
My guess is Dayton at best though.
Good stat.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 08, 2018, 08:04:14 PM
Only post I am going to make in here tonight.
Not all is lost. We still have a chance. 50/50 proposition.
Beating Nova was always a prayer. That's the best team in the country.
We'll see what Sunday brings. Dayton wouldn't surprise me.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Warriors make the NCAA. But it doesn't feel that way.
I wish people would actually look at the teams around us before they say such stupid stuff. Every team around us has a DePaul loss. do some research instead of acting stupid
Alabama has 3 depaul type losses
Bonnies have 3 as well and they are in by most
Quote from: #bansultan on March 08, 2018, 07:57:09 PM
Do you realize that MU will have the same record this year as they did last year? Against a tougher schedule?
The RPI of this team is actually better than last year's.
My guess is Dayton at best though.
Well hell...let's celebrate!!! 19-13 seasons and being a bubble team, or barely getting in the tourney..Wahoo! That's awesome stuff...but oh yeah, that shows improvement! NEXT year is THE year!
Quote from: warriorfred on March 08, 2018, 08:00:00 PM
I don't blame anyone for looking at the DePaul loss and wondering what might have been? That was probably the deciding game in the home stretch.
The thing of it is that I look at this year's Marquette team and on the balance they do not look like a typical NCAA tournament team. The close loss to Villanova and the blowout win over Seton Hall says "yes." But the loss to DePaul and St John's says "no."
I wear blue and gold glasses, but i am not seeing it.
I realize it's a meaningless point, but St. J had the ability to knock off Duke and Nova. I don't mind that loss.
Quote from: muguru on March 08, 2018, 08:11:39 PM
Well hell...let's celebrate!!! 19-13 seasons and being a bubble team, or barely getting in the tourney..Wahoo! That's awesome stuff...but oh yeah, that shows improvement! NEXT year is THE year!
It literally does show improvement.
You're dense.
Quote from: muguru on March 08, 2018, 08:11:39 PM
Well hell...let's celebrate!!! 19-13 seasons and being a bubble team, or barely getting in the tourney..Wahoo! That's awesome stuff...but oh yeah, that shows improvement! NEXT year is THE year!
You're an idiot dude. I'm sorry. But go root for Duke. That's the only team worthy of your fandom.
Same record as last year. Better rpi too. FAR younger team, and people still think we underachieved
If the Warriors make the NIT this year, I am okay with that. There were a few times where I said to myself, "holy crap, 3 freshmen and 2 sophomores are on the floor and they're hanging with Creighton, Butler, and even Villanova."
Next year is the clearly the year. . . .
Quote from: warriorfred on March 08, 2018, 08:02:07 PM
I didn't know that. But last year's team seemed better on a certain level. I am having difficulty describing it. Maybe because there was no "signature" win this year.
I get it. I get that the lack of high quality wins may not get us in which is why I think Dayton at best.
But this team is about where last year's team was. Considering how young this team is, that's actually OK. We will what Wojo will get out of them next year.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 08, 2018, 08:13:26 PM
You're an idiot dude. I'm sorry. But go root for Duke. That's the only team worthy of your fandom.
Listen son, I have been an MU fan longer than you have been alive...I've forgotten more about MU basketball then you will ever know. But you typify your generation..I see it everywhere, in the work place, on the athletic fields etc..mediocre is good enough. It's sad.
Quote from: muguru on March 08, 2018, 08:20:20 PM
Listen son, I have been an MU fan longer than you have been alive...I've forgotten more about MU basketball then you will ever know. But you typify your generation..I see it everywhere, in the work place, on the athletic fields etc..mediocre is good enough. It's sad.
Holy unnatural carnal knowledge, get over yourself.
Do you hate losing more than your wife hates you?
Quote from: muguru on March 08, 2018, 08:20:20 PM
Listen son, I have been an MU fan longer than you have been alive...I've forgotten more about MU basketball then you will ever know. But you typify your generation..I see it everywhere, in the work place, on the athletic fields etc..mediocre is good enough. It's sad.
Ah. The new Godwin.
Yup. Millenials are to blame. Good thing that generation raised themselves.
Beyond that dumb point, you decided to go with "i've been a fan longer than you, so shut up".
Nice
We're at the mercy of the bubble gods now. Marquette has a resume worthy of selection but its not about being worthy, its about being more worthy than all the other guys.
What I do know is, there is reason for Marquette fans to tune in Selection Sunday. Unless there is craziness on the bubble we have a legitimate shot to have our name called.
Quote from: PTM + Hagans = Us on March 08, 2018, 08:22:04 PM
Holy unnatural carnal knowledge, get over yourself.
Do you hate losing more than your wife hates you?
Bwahahahaha. Guru you've reached douchey heights rarely seen and the worst part is you lack all self awareness
Think our guys missed it by a game. Shame. Not getting my hopes up but still a chance. 49/51 I feel.
We will see selection Sunday. This team has heart. They are also fun to watch. If they get in they deserve it. If not, the NIT is still admirable. Relax, it was a fun year. Hopefully they will get another game or two somewhere.
Watching AR in tears makes me want a bid that much more
Quote from: peterpan on March 08, 2018, 08:23:21 PM
Think our guys missed it by a game. Shame. Not getting my hopes up but still a chance. 49/51 I feel.
Offer me those odds at the beginning of the season id have taken it
The way I read what he said is that he's forgotten a lot about MU basketball... ;D
Jon Rothstein says on Twitter MTSU is likely headed to the NIT
Quote from: muguru on March 08, 2018, 08:20:20 PM
Listen son, I have been an MU fan longer than you have been alive...I've forgotten more about MU basketball then you will ever know. But you typify your generation..I see it everywhere, in the work place, on the athletic fields etc..mediocre is good enough. It's sad.
You just don't know what you're talking about. It's that simple.
Quote from: muguru on March 08, 2018, 08:20:20 PM
Listen son, I have been an MU fan longer than you have been alive...I've forgotten more about MU basketball then you will ever know. But you typify your generation..I see it everywhere, in the work place, on the athletic fields etc..mediocre is good enough. It's sad.
Haha you are pathetic
Guru
There is a lot optimism for next year on this board and they have been banging the drum for next year. One thing I can assure you, their idea of success next year is far different than how we grade success. I will be anxious to see the predictions for next season and see what actually happens. My gut tells me that the wait until next year folks will have watered expectations when they make their predictions.
Quote from: muguru on March 08, 2018, 07:53:28 PM
Nope...once they lost to DePaul two weeks ago, it was over..that was pretty obvious.
Get over the DePaul game. To repeat one more time - there was an 89% chance we we're going to lose at least one of those last four games so which one it was did not matter.
You are clueless. We we're battling uphill going into those last four games and our chances improved, not dropped, with the 3-1 finish.
We had an 15% chance of winning tonight - which is why many of us realized the games that made it look tough we're games like Alabama winning today to pass MU.
Butler beating Seton Hall at the end of the year hurt us too by taking a bye so we had to knock off Villanova on 20 hours rest instead of a team we had beaten on equal rest.
Your infatuation with the loss to a DePaul team that lost to Xavier by 3 at the end of the season, makes no sense. Anyone can say that every loss we had cost us an NCAA bid - win any of the games we lost and we are almost assuredly in the NCAA. The fact that we had 7 games against top 11 teams and lost them all - and statistically there was a much better chance to win one of those 7 than to win at DePaul, so not getting that signature upset like we had last year was much more important than the loss at DePaul. Win one of those 7 and we could have afforded to lose another game elsewhere and get in.
Remembering taking the lead against Creighton with freshmen and Howard celebrating his 19th birthday as a sophomore has me excited about the future and I thought nit was a stretch when the season started, get used to being extremely disappointed about once every 6 games in college basketball - as Brad Stevens said, that is just how a college basketball season plays out - get over the one bad performance every 6 games - the team isn't really that bad (eg DePaul), forget about the over performance once every 6 games - you aren't that good - the other 4 of 6 games determine your season.
My expectations for Marquette basketball in 2018-19: Top four in conference. Five seed in NCAA.
Quote from: #bansultan on March 08, 2018, 08:31:39 PM
My expectations for Marquette basketball in 2018-19: Top four in conference. Five seed in NCAA.
Same. I'll even throw in the following year. If Markus and Sam graduate without a S16 appearance, wojos gotta go. I don't care how much of a crap shoot the tourney is, 18-19, top 4 in conference and 5 seed, 19-20 Gotta get at least S16
Quote from: Goose on March 08, 2018, 08:30:22 PM
Guru
There is a lot optimism for next year on this board and they have been banging the drum for next year. One thing I can assure you, their idea of success next year is far different than how we grade success. I will be anxious to see the predictions for next season and see what actually happens. My gut tells me that the wait until next year folks will have watered expectations when they make their predictions.
Banging the drum? "We"? "They"?
Aren't we all fans of the same team? Not sure I understand the tribalism.
A reasoned, thoughtful opinion has nothing to do with banging the drum. When a crowd of thoughtful people each give their reality-based opinion, you tend to come up with a consensus. Nothing to do with us vs. them.
Quote from: #bansultan on March 08, 2018, 08:31:39 PM
My expectations for Marquette basketball in 2018-19: Top four in conference. Five seed in NCAA.
I can accept the NIT this year. But my expectations for 2018/2019 dramatically change:
- Top 25 ranking for a few weeks (in and out of the Top 25)
- First round bye in the BET
- Solidly in the NCAA tournament (4-7 seed)
- First round win in the NCAA Tournament.
I will accept a nail-biter loss in the first round of the Tournament (I'm magnanimous).
As for "watered-down expectations," anything less will be a grave disappointment. Year 5 and millions spent; I expect a return on that investment.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 08, 2018, 08:29:11 PM
You just don't know what you're talking about. It's that simple.
Mmmmk...and I'm supposed to listen to someone half my age tell me what i am right and wrong about?? I forgot, your generation THINKS they are right about everything...it's a different world now, that's for sure. I'll tell you what I will do...and I want EVERYONE to see this, so they can revel in it as well...if I don't know what i'm talking about(that MU will NOT be in the NCAA tourney...and Dayton doesn't count), I will delete this account, and never post her again, not under an alias, or any other means, sound good?? We'll see who's right.
If we don't get into the tournament, I think it will be due to our lack of a signature win. It won't be due to the DePaul loss.
I'm sticking with the NIT. One more win here or there, but then again, never thought they would beat Creighton away, so maybe evens that out.
MU lost the old "eye test" tonight by being blown out and those selection guys make mental notes of those things, along with the RPI stuff, etc. Maybe you Milwaukee/Chicago guys get another opportunity to root for the fellas at home because they should get a great NIT seed.
As for next year, it is imperative for MU to get a top grad transfer, not another freshman to play point guard. If so, along with Morrow, should make a significant up swing. You see what Paschal looked like next to Sam and Cain, man against boys, Morrow is a man. I for one will wait for predictions, cause someone may leave, maybe they don't get a grad and see what Joey/Bailey look like.
Quote from: muguru on March 08, 2018, 08:38:46 PM
Mmmmk...and I'm supposed to listen to someone half my age tell me what i am right and wrong about?? I forgot, your generation THINKS they are right about everything...it's a different world now, that's for sure. I'll tell you what I will do...and I want EVERYONE to see this, so they can revel in it as well...if I don't know what i'm talking about(that MU will NOT be in the NCAA tourney...and Dayton doesn't count), I will delete this account, and never post her again, not under an alias, or any other means, sound good?? We'll see who's right.
Oh. Dayton doesn't count.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 08, 2018, 08:39:26 PM
If we don't get into the tournament, I think it will be due to our lack of a signature win. It won't be due to the DePaul loss.
I sort of agree. A signature win and the DePaul loss, and we're in. A win against DePaul, and we are still a bubble team, but we would have reason to complain if left out of the Tournament.
At this moment, I have no reason to complain if Marquette doesn't make the Tournament.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 08, 2018, 08:39:26 PM
If we don't get into the tournament, I think it will be due to our lack of a signature win. It won't be due to the DePaul loss.
Had quite a few chances. What... 6 of our losses have come to top 10-12 teams? 5 being in the top 3. Guess it doesn't matter if they didn't win.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 08, 2018, 08:41:18 PM
Oh. Dayton doesn't count.
I asked Google Home if the game in Dayton were part of the NCAA tournament. She said yes.
Quote from: #bansultan on March 08, 2018, 08:31:39 PM
My expectations for Marquette basketball in 2018-19: Top four in conference. Five seed in NCAA.
That's fine Sultan, but if those expectations don't happen, what will your excuse be then?? There will be one, no doubt(an inury, whatever it is), you will just keep saying "next year".
Quote from: warriorfred on March 08, 2018, 08:37:49 PM
I can accept the NIT this year. But my expectations for 2018/2019 dramatically change:
- Top 25 ranking for a few weeks (in and out of the Top 25)
- First round bye in the BET
- Solidly in the NCAA tournament (4-7 seed)
- First round win in the NCAA Tournament.
I will accept a nail-biter loss in the first round of the Tournament (I'm magnanimous).
As for "watered-down expectations," anything less will be a grave disappointment. Year 5 and millions spent; I expect a return on that investment.
This seems reasonable. What's it doing on Scoop!?!
I either drank too much or too little. I'll find out in the morning.
Quote from: muguru on March 08, 2018, 08:45:18 PM
That's fine Sultan, but if those expectations don't happen, what will your excuse be then?? There will be one, no doubt(an inury, whatever it is), you will just keep saying "next year".
There have been no excuses thus far. We just looked at the same team preseason and came to different conclusions about what they were capable of. Personally, my expectations matched up with all the expectations of the various professionals who analyze college basketball for a living.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 08, 2018, 08:44:50 PM
I asked Google Home if the game in Dayton were part of the NCAA tournament. She said yes.
Go ask fans from any team in a major conference, if they want their team in dayton?? See what their answers are...most will tell you, it's like not even being in the tournament...if you win, fine, but if you lose..it's not. Heck, go read the Louisville board...more than a few posters there say they'd rather win the NIT than play in Dayton..Just the way it is. I can't believe anyone would be HAPPY with Dayton.
Yeti
I have zero idea what the hell your point is. Of course we are all fans of MU ball. My point is simple, a group on here has been very bullish on next year and I have not been. I have stated many times over, I hope the program bulls are right. IMO, we see the same results next season as we did this year, a bubble team from a watered down BE.
Quote from: muguru on March 08, 2018, 08:51:55 PM
Go ask fans from any team in a major conference, if they want their team in dayton?? See what their answers are...most will tell you, it's like not even being in the tournament...if you win, fine, but if you lose..it's not. Heck, go read the Louisville board...more than a few posters there say they'd rather win the NIT than play in Dayton..Just the way it is. I can't believe anyone would be HAPPY with Dayton.
No offense, but the Louisville fan base doesn't exactly scream intelligent. A lot of them still think Patino was clean
That's because Louisville needs a banner to replace the one the strippers took away.
Quote from: muguru on March 08, 2018, 08:51:55 PM
Go ask fans from any team in a major conference, if they want their team in dayton?? See what their answers are...most will tell you, it's like not even being in the tournament...if you win, fine, but if you lose..it's not. Heck, go read the Louisville board...more than a few posters there say they'd rather win the NIT than play in Dayton..Just the way it is. I can't believe anyone would be HAPPY with Dayton.
I will take Dayton, AND A WIN, almost any year. Of course, I will also settle for #1 seed.
Quote from: muguru on March 08, 2018, 08:51:55 PM
Go ask fans from any team in a major conference, if they want their team in dayton?? See what their answers are...most will tell you, it's like not even being in the tournament...if you win, fine, but if you lose..it's not. Heck, go read the Louisville board...more than a few posters there say they'd rather win the NIT than play in Dayton..Just the way it is. I can't velieve anyone would be HAPPY with Dayton.
In a vacuum? No I'm not happy with Dayton. When I take into account the roster we came in with? I am happy. Making it to Dayton was exactly what I expected this year. Don't believe me?
https://painttouches.com/2017/08/16/way-too-early-bracketology-summer-2017/
Yeeesh, some of those picks did not age well. But the MU one was right on!
Flip a coin, I think we did enough to be in but won't be surprised at all if we don't get called and oh yeah, guru is a whiny little b**ch.
Quote from: Goose on March 08, 2018, 08:52:51 PM
Yeti
I have zero idea what the hell your point is. Of course we are all fans of MU ball. My point is simple, a group on here has been very bullish on next year and I have not been. I have stated many times over, I hope the program bulls are right. IMO, we see the same results next season as we did this year, a bubble team from a watered down BE.
You hit the nail on the head Goose...next year their expectations are all high...well yeah, when the Big east will probably be as down as it has been since it's inception. How about being competitive or finishing top half when the Big East is at it's best?? It's funny, because so many here would talk about how Wisconsin took advantage of a bad B10 for so many years(which is true, they did), but now, when MU finishes top 3 next year, it will be a GREAT accomplishment, and they can all pound their chests about how they were right..sure, they were, but if someone points out that the Big East was down, it won't matter to them, because MU finished where they predicted them too, so that makes it a great accomplishment in year freaking 5 of Wojo!
Looked at the Team Sheets for RPI 40-75. MU is in as long as there aren't a lot of conf bid stealers. And they are getting fewer and fewer.
I think we're in.
Quote from: muguru on March 08, 2018, 08:38:46 PM
Mmmmk...and I'm supposed to listen to someone half my age tell me what i am right and wrong about??
You don't think you can learn anything from someone half your age?
Quote from: muguru on March 08, 2018, 08:51:55 PM
Go ask fans from any team in a major conference, if they want their team in dayton?? See what their answers are...most will tell you, it's like not even being in the tournament...if you win, fine, but if you lose..it's not. Heck, go read the Louisville board...more than a few posters there say they'd rather win the NIT than play in Dayton..Just the way it is. I can't believe anyone would be HAPPY with Dayton.
If you play in Dayton you're in the tournament. You have worse odds to get a Sweet 16 banner but you at least have a shot. If you're in the NIT you have a 0.0% chance. It's that simple.
The reality is we have about a 50% chance to make the tournament, so your proclamation that the season was over once we lost to DePaul is just dumb.
Quote from: muguru on March 08, 2018, 08:51:55 PM
Go ask fans from any team in a major conference, if they want their team in dayton?? See what their answers are...most will tell you, it's like not even being in the tournament...if you win, fine, but if you lose..it's not. Heck, go read the Louisville board...more than a few posters there say they'd rather win the NIT than play in Dayton..Just the way it is. I can't believe anyone would be HAPPY with Dayton.
Lol. You don't want MU in the NCAA tournament. Wow.
Guru
Truthfully, it is a losing battle discussing program progress with folks hoping for Dayton play in game. I am not certain that the team next year will benefit a great deal from a weak BE. At this point I think they end up with 1-2 additional conference wins, at best. Loss of Rowsey will hurt more than many realize today.
Quote from: muguru on March 08, 2018, 08:58:52 PM
...well yeah, when the Big east will probably be as down as it has been since it's inception.
Not sure that is true. Year two. 60% in the tournament. Year 3. National Title. Year 4, 70% in the tournament. Highest in college basketball.
I'd love to see the warriors in for this year, but also wouldn't mind the NIT. We should make a deep run in the NIT and even have a good chance of winning it. That would be great experience for the whole team and for the fan base.
I never liked the play in games, so yes I'd rather go to NIT than Dayton.
Quote from: Goose on March 08, 2018, 09:03:12 PM
Guru
Truthfully, it is a losing battle discussing program progress with folks hoping for Dayton play in game. I am not certain that the team next year will benefit a great deal from a weak BE. At this point I think they end up with 1-2 additional conference wins, at best. Loss of Rowsey will hurt more than many realize today.
What does this even mean? Who is hoping for Dayton? I want MU to be in the NCAA this season. Dayton or otherwise.
I would expect any MU fan would want the same, at this point in the season.
Am I missing something?
Quote from: WarriorFan on March 08, 2018, 09:04:04 PM
I'd love to see the warriors in for this year, but also wouldn't mind the NIT. We should make a deep run in the NIT and even have a good chance of winning it. That would be great experience for the whole team and for the fan base.
I never liked the play in games, so yes I'd rather go to NIT than Dayton.
You just won this thread!
Quote from: Goose on March 08, 2018, 08:52:51 PM
Yeti
I have zero idea what the hell your point is. Of course we are all fans of MU ball. My point is simple, a group on here has been very bullish on next year and I have not been. I have stated many times over, I hope the program bulls are right. IMO, we see the same results next season as we did this year, a bubble team from a watered down BE.
Firstly, you have no reason encouraging a troll that has hijacked all of the threads - the board was more about muguru tonight than it was the actual game that was played.
Further, you are welcome to your opinion, but to reiterate I don't think there is a "group" on here at all pushing an agenda.
Further even (to debate on the actual points), I'm personally not sure how you are bearish on next season, or whether you are just bearish on all things in general. We do not currently have a primary ball-handler and therefore (even just based on that) a lot is still up in the air.
Quote from: WarriorFan on March 08, 2018, 09:04:04 PM
I never liked the play in games, so yes I'd rather go to NIT than Dayton.
Well, it's opening round. Field is 68 teams. Can't be a play-in. Odd that anyone would want the NIT than the NCAA Tournament.
Snub the nc2a and win the NIT, I love it!
Quote from: Goose on March 08, 2018, 09:03:12 PM
Guru
Truthfully, it is a losing battle discussing program progress with folks hoping for Dayton play in game. I am not certain that the team next year will benefit a great deal from a weak BE. At this point I think they end up with 1-2 additional conference wins, at best. Loss of Rowsey will hurt more than many realize today.
Losing Andrew will hurt, but big daddy has confirmed that we are in on multiple pg options for next year. Wojo also has a very good record with grad transfers. If not, what happens, happens, Markus and Greg may be below average, but I still have faith they can get the job done.
Quote from: Goose on March 08, 2018, 09:03:12 PM
Guru
Truthfully, it is a losing battle discussing program progress with folks hoping for Dayton play in game. I am not certain that the team next year will benefit a great deal from a weak BE. At this point I think they end up with 1-2 additional conference wins, at best. Loss of Rowsey will hurt more than many realize today.
This. Rowsey easily the best PG at MU since Diener, and very comparable as a player. So, there will be that reality that those who support Wojo at every turn can point to, but on the flip side, it will be Year 5 and he has to take full credit/blame for roster composition.
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 08, 2018, 09:09:57 PM
This. Rowsey easily the best PG at MU since Diener, and very comparable as a player. So, there will be that reality that those who support Wojo at every turn can point to, but on the flip side, it will be Year 5 and he has to take full credit/blame for roster composition.
Barring unforeseen injuries, you are correct
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 08, 2018, 09:09:57 PM
This. Rowsey easily the best PG at MU since Diener, and very comparable as a player. So, there will be that reality that those who support Wojo at every turn can point to, but on the flip side, it will be Year 5 and he has to take full credit/blame for roster composition.
Oh I agree with that completely. In fact, he has full credit/blame for this year's roster composition as well.
yeti
I actually very much respect guru's love of MU ball and his appreciation of it's history. He is valued poster and not encouraging or discouraging him.
As for my being bearish on next season, I would say I am neutral. I do not believe the program has upper level talent this year and will not next year. If you know a thing about ball, MU ball is light years away from 'nova talent level. I believe we have another potential bubble year type of talent next season.
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 08, 2018, 09:09:57 PM
This. Rowsey easily the best PG at MU since Diener, and very comparable as a player. So, there will be that reality that those who support Wojo at every turn can point to, but on the flip side, it will be Year 5 and he has to take full credit/blame for roster composition.
Aaaaaand, you just gave them their excuse for next year if things go bad..."losing Rowsey was too much to overcome". It will be something they come up with, I promise you that.
Guru
No excuses next season. I have read with excitement how the ball experts have very high expectations next season.
Quote from: Goose on March 08, 2018, 08:30:22 PM
Guru
There is a lot optimism for next year on this board and they have been banging the drum for next year. One thing I can assure you, their idea of success next year is far different than how we grade success. I will be anxious to see the predictions for next season and see what actually happens. My gut tells me that the wait until next year folks will have watered expectations when they make their predictions.
I heard the drum but it is not music unless the conductor can teach some solid defense and finds a solid point guard. Rowsey had plenty of flaws but he could shoot and play point when he wanted to. Howard can shoot but point is another story.
Quote from: muguru on March 08, 2018, 08:38:46 PM
Mmmmk...and I'm supposed to listen to someone half my age tell me what i am right and wrong about?? I forgot, your generation THINKS they are right about everything...it's a different world now, that's for sure. I'll tell you what I will do...and I want EVERYONE to see this, so they can revel in it as well...if I don't know what i'm talking about(that MU will NOT be in the NCAA tourney...and Dayton doesn't count), I will delete this account, and never post her again, not under an alias, or any other means, sound good?? We'll see who's right.
Being old doesn't make you right. You come off as a crazy person because you are irrational.
Quote from: Goose on March 08, 2018, 09:17:02 PM
Guru
No excuses next season. I have read with excitement how the ball experts have very high expectations next season.
Just wait Goose...it will come, I assure you of that.There have been constant excuses the first four years, why would year freaking 5 be any different?? You know Goose, NEXT year if things go bad, the same people that have been railing on us, saying Wojo isn't the answer, will be...guess what?? Saying Wojo isn't the answer. Amazing, how some of us can see things sooner then others, isn't it??
Hards
I strongly disagree with your calling guru irrational. To me he is passionate and that should mean something. Many of the young guns have passion and throw out daily stats to support themselves, are they irrational? IMO supporting a coach and program that has shown little to no progress in four years is irrational.
We will absolutely miss Rowsey next season. No doubt about it.
We also bring back a lot and add a lot of talent. It should be more than enough to make up for the departure of Rowsey.
People were saying that we could never recover from the departure of Henry Ellenson....instead we rose 60ish spots in KenPom and made the tourney. It could be different next year.
Quote from: Goose on March 08, 2018, 09:25:11 PM
Hards
I strongly disagree with your calling guru irrational. To me he is passionate and that should mean something. Many of the young guns have passion and throw out daily stats to support themselves, are they irrational? IMO supporting a coach and program that has shown little to no progress in four years is irrational.
Little to no progress???
4-14
8-10
10-8
9-9 with the same overall record and better rpi.
You can make the argument that we've regressed this year (although I would disagree) but no progress. You gotta be kidding me.
Quote from: Wojos Blueprint on March 08, 2018, 09:08:13 PM
Snub the nc2a and win the NIT, I love it!
Glad someone recognized the historical significance of my earlier post.
Thanks.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 08, 2018, 08:44:50 PM
I asked Google Home if the game in Dayton were part of the NCAA tournament. She said yes.
Yeah, but how long has she been a Marquette fan??????
TAMU
A lot of role player talent on a good team returning, not great talent. To get this crew to be a top 15 program next season would take a coaching effort that we have not seen from Wojo yet. So, either guys have been holding back or Wojo has been laying in the weeds waiting for next season, I fully expect similar results next season. Howard is the best talent returning and he will miss Rowsey the most. PG makes the world go round and we do not have one.
Quote from: WarriorFan on March 08, 2018, 09:29:53 PM
Glad someone recognized the historical significance of my earlier post.
Thanks.
You can't do that anymore. NCAA rules require that if you are offered an NCAA bid, you go.
Think of it as the McGuire rule.
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 08, 2018, 09:29:26 PM
Little to no progress???
4-14
8-10
10-8
9-9 with the same overall record and better rpi.
You can make the argument that we've regressed this year (although I would disagree) but no progress. You gotta be kidding me.
If you can't see how sad this is...I don't know what to tell you...we are supposed to see going from 4-14 in the Big East to 10-8 being progress?? Do you remember when they won the Big East when it was the best conference ever assembled?? I sure do...talk about a hard fall from grace.
DJOver
Did you read my post and your reply before posting? There has been zero progress in three seasons. If you think being .500 in BE over last three years is progress, we have difference of opinion. Take away 'nova win last year and zero has been gained in three years. That said, wait until next year, right?
Quote from: muguru on March 08, 2018, 09:35:16 PM
If you can't see how sad this is...I don't know what to tell you...we are supposed to see going from 4-14 in the Big East to 10-8 being progress?? Do you remember when they won the Big East when it was the best conference ever assembled?? I sure do...talk about a hard fall from grace.
I don't know how you can say 4 wins to 10 wins isn't progress
Quote from: warriorfred on March 08, 2018, 08:07:19 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if the Warriors make the NCAA. But it doesn't feel that way.
At 8-17? Even with that big win over Benedictine I don't see it.
Quote from: Goose on March 08, 2018, 09:37:08 PM
DJOver
Did you read my post and your reply before posting? There has been zero progress in three seasons. If you think being .500 in BE over last three years is progress, we have difference of opinion. Take away 'nova win last year and zero has been gained in three years. That said, wait until next year, right?
Take away the nova win. Of coarse you would discredit the best regular season win in program history.
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 08, 2018, 09:39:15 PM
Take away the nova win. Of coarse you would discredit the best regular season win in program history.
Goose is as irrational as guru is.
Warriorfan
I have far too much respect for the original team your referenced to have in same discussion with this squad. There are other teams from our past that would be better historic fit with this group.
DJOver
I loved that win last season against 'nova and enjoyed every second of it. That said, that one win does not equate to real progress for a program over a four year period.
As for biggest regular season win in program history, go and read your history books. Just because they beat #1 does not make it best regular season win in history. I would think off the top of my head, that there might have been 4-5 wins 41 years ago which led to biggest win in program history. Oh well, another example of how little I know.
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 08, 2018, 09:39:15 PM
Take away the nova win. Of coarse you would discredit the best regular season win in program history.
Goose's point is...and I agree with him...that has been the signature moment of the Wojo era thus far...a win over #1. 4 years, and that's the best we have..think about that for a moment..one game, that's been Wojo's "one shining moment". Until last night, he hadn't even won 3 Big East games in a row...in 4 years...the ONLY program in the Big East that hadn't. And if you want to get technical, they still haven't won 3 regular season BE games in a row...in 4 years. Even DePaul has done that.
Quote from: Goose on March 08, 2018, 09:45:34 PM
DJOver
I loved that win last season against 'nova and enjoyed every second of it. That said, that one win does not equate to real progress for a program over a four year period.
As for biggest regular season win in program history, go and read your history books. Just because they beat #1 does not make it best regular season win in history. I would think off the top of my head, that there might have been 4-5 wins 41 years ago which led to biggest win in program history. Oh well, another example of how little I know.
Homer would disagree.
I assume you're talking about the national championship game, which is why I said regular season.
Also, I was not even close to being born 41 years ago so forgive me for not being present, or having detailed knowledge of games before my birth.
Not disagreeing about nova last year, but Wade over Cincy in '03 would be in Discussion. Or winning BIG EAST title as well.
Quote from: muguru on March 08, 2018, 09:47:37 PM
Goose's point is...and I agree with him...that has been the signature moment of the Wojo era thus far...a win over #1. 4 years, and that's the best we have..think about that for a moment..one game, that's been Wojo's "one shining moment". Until last night, he hadn't even won 3 Big East games in a row...in 4 years...the ONLY program in the Big East that hadn't. And if you want to get technical, they still haven't won 3 regular season BE games in a row...in 4 years. Even DePaul has done that.
Throwing arbitrary numbers into the mix, good call. How about two other top 15 wins on the road, or landing the first all American since doc. I agree that the tourney success hasn't been there yet, but if it doesn't come next year, I have openly said thay I will be on the fire wojo train with you and willie.
DJOver
I hope Homer reads your last post. He will laugh his ass off knowing someone bought into his calling it best regular season win in program history. Homer rocks, but far from program historian. On paper you could argue being only time beating #1 makes it is the best, but anyone with fxckin brain knows better than that.
You made my night by using Homer as you barometer. Again, big Homer fan, but many in here have forgotten more MU ball than Homer knows.
Dayton is part of the NCAA tourney Guru.
Guru is al like "I'm never eating ice cream again. Except for chocolate or vanilla. Those two don't count".
Quote from: Goose on March 08, 2018, 09:54:40 PM
DJOver
I hope Homer reads your last post. He will laugh his ass off knowing someone bought into his calling it best regular season win in program history. Homer rocks, but far from program historian. On paper you could argue being only time beating #1 makes it is the best, but anyone with fxckin brain knows better than that.
You made my night by using Homer as you barometer. Again, big Homer fan, but many in here have forgotten more MU ball than Homer knows.
Ok, you spent your entire post insulting me and homer, but failed to point out a better win, other than the national championship game in 77. As I pointed out I wasn't even close to being conceived when MU won the title, so please educate me.
Quote from: Goose on March 08, 2018, 09:32:37 PM
TAMU
A lot of role player talent on a good team returning, not great talent. To get this crew to be a top 15 program next season would take a coaching effort that we have not seen from Wojo yet. So, either guys have been holding back or Wojo has been laying in the weeds waiting for next season, I fully expect similar results next season. Howard is the best talent returning and he will miss Rowsey the most. PG makes the world go round and we do not have one.
I believe you had the same concerns after Ellenson left. Not good talent coming back.
Sam Hauser had one of the best offensive seasons not just in MU history but in Big East history. Markus Howard was 2nd Team All Big East. Neither are role players.
Theo, Jamal, and Greg are freshmen, I'm not ready to declare any of them role players yet. I think all three have potential.
Matt and Sacar are role players but those are solid role players to have.
Harry and Eke are probably role players but I'm not 100% sure we know what we have in them yet.
I also don't expect top 15 next season. I'm thinking more top 30 at this point. May change depending on how the rest of the spring plays out.
Quote from: muguru on March 08, 2018, 08:20:20 PM
Listen son, I have been an MU fan longer than you have been alive...I've forgotten more about MU basketball then you will ever know. But you typify your generation..I see it everywhere, in the work place, on the athletic fields etc..mediocre is good enough. It's sad.
Al Mcguire, upon Kentucky coach Adolph Rupp addressing him as "son"....
"Mr Rupp, please refrain from calling me "son", unless you plan on including me in your last will and testament."
Everyone, until a Wojo team learns to play defense...hell...a little defense...we should get used to the bubble watch. As much as it sucked watching VT choke against ND, the defensive intensity (let's leave the offense out of the discussion for now) was refreshing to see.
Rowsey was fun to watch on "O" but his "D" was painful. Sam has no lateral movement. He looks like he is stuck in wet cement an Nova took full advantage. I don't even want to go into rebounding. To have the other team repeatedly grab offensive rebounds off FREE THROWS is unbelievable and inexcusable. Al used to say that the only thing that can be controlled in the game is defensive effort. MU needs a remedial class in that line of thought.
And before everyone jumps on me for being new or a troll, I had a different screen name with over 3000 posts. Just haven't posted all season and forgot all my login info...
Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on March 08, 2018, 10:25:17 PM
Everyone, until a Wojo team learns to play defense...hell...a little defense...we should get used to the bubble watch. As much as it sucked watching VT choke against ND, the defensive intensity (let's leave the offense out of the discussion for now) was refreshing to see.
Rowsey was fun to watch on "O" but his "D" was painful. Sam has no lateral movement. He looks like he is stuck in wet cement an Nova took full advantage. I don't even want to go into rebounding. To have the other team repeatedly grab offensive rebounds off FREE THROWS is unbelievable and inexcusable. Al used to say that the only thing that can be controlled in the game is defensive effort. MU needs a remedial class in that line of thought.
And before everyone jumps on me for being new or a troll, I had a different screen name with over 3000 posts. Just haven't posted all season and forgot all my login info...
In defense of Sam, he is going under knife as soon as the season is over to fix his hip. Rebounding is a huge issue. I'm hoping that ed and hopefully an improved harry will help that. Not a for sure thing. But betting on ed next year is a safer bet than harry this year.
People in this thread would've fired Al McGuire and Kevin O'Neill. Neither made their first tournament until year 4. And I know the BS counter argument..."it was different, there was optimism around the program." Well there's optimism around the program now! Why are people excited for next year? Because we return the most prolific sophomore scorer in school history. Because we return 88% of a possible Tournament roster. Because we add a 5-star recruit. Because we add a proven low post scorer and rebounder.
If next year proves to be a bust, then it's on Wojo and it's time to start considering moving on. But if you're oblivious to the multitude of reasons for optimism for next year's team, well I suppose it's no surprise you'd say "I forgot more about basketball than you'll ever know" because clearly you forgot everything you ever knew about the sport.
If it's a bust, feel free to mock everyone else and revel in Wojo's failure, but acting like you wouldn't have fired Al and Kevin is blind revisionist BS. The reasons for optimism are there if you pull your head out of the sand long enough to look at the roster.
Quote from: Goose on March 08, 2018, 09:13:52 PM
yeti
I actually very much respect guru's love of MU ball and his appreciation of it's history. He is valued poster and not encouraging or discouraging him.
As for my being bearish on next season, I would say I am neutral. I do not believe the program has upper level talent this year and will not next year. If you know a thing about ball, MU ball is light years away from 'nova talent level. I believe we have another potential bubble year type of talent next season.
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Three additional games in NIT may result in both Rowsey and Howard breaking MU's single season scoring record. That shows how unbalanced this team is. Outside of Rowsey, Howard and Sam there is no one on this team that would have of seen significant playing time at Villanova or Xavier.
DJOver
I have offered way too much free education via scoop over the years and am too tired to take the time needed to educate you. In addition, I find many of your posts/replies to be disrespectful and I will leave my mentoring of ball to those I believe have a basic understanding of the program/sport and have high desire to grow in knowledge. Since I do not find you to fall into that group, Google whatever you want to know.
Quote from: Goose on March 09, 2018, 05:30:59 AM
DJOver
I have offered way too much free education via scoop over the years and am too tired to take the time needed to educate you. In addition, I find many of your posts/replies to be disrespectful and I will leave my mentoring of ball to those I believe have a basic understanding of the program/sport and have high desire to grow in knowledge. Since I do not find you to fall into that group, Google whatever you want to know.
lol
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 08, 2018, 09:29:26 PM
Little to no progress???
4-14
8-10
10-8
9-9 with the same overall record and better rpi.
You can make the argument that we've regressed this year (although I would disagree) but no progress. You gotta be kidding me.
(https://www.colourbox.com/preview/4013958-progress-definition-magnifier-showing-achievement-growth-and-development.jpg)
I think Wojo's tenure qualifies.
Quote from: Goose on March 09, 2018, 05:30:59 AM
DJOver
I have offered way too much free education via scoop over the years and am too tired to take the time needed to educate you. In addition, I find many of your posts/replies to be disrespectful and I will leave my mentoring of ball to those I believe have a basic understanding of the program/sport and have high desire to grow in knowledge. Since I do not find you to fall into that group, Google whatever you want to know.
Sticking to your guns without providing any new facts. I'll give you credit, you're consistent.
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 09, 2018, 07:11:52 AM
Sticking to your guns without providing any new facts. I'll give you credit, you're consistent.
Why do you think it is the greatest regular season win in MU history? Because it allowed us to sneak into the NCAA tournament and get trounced in the first round? In 1977 with one less win leading to the tournament selection there is a good chance we would not have gotten into the tournament and not have our National Championship. I think that all of those wins were probably more important (greater) regular season wins.
I remember Hank Raymonds saying after beating a top 10 Missouri team on the road (The Sunvold/Stipanovich Missouri team) that that was the most important win in MU history. To each his own, but I'm with Goose on this one. Great night that put a smile on my face for a week, but significance matters, and in the grand scheme of things, that win was not all that significant in the long run.
Quote from: CTWarrior on March 09, 2018, 07:31:03 AM
Why do you think it is the greatest regular season win in MU history? Because it allowed us to sneak into the NCAA tournament and get trounced in the first round? In 1977 with one less win leading to the tournament selection there is a good chance we would not have gotten into the tournament and not have our National Championship. I think that all of those wins were probably more important (greater) regular season wins.
I remember Hank Raymonds saying after beating a top 10 Missouri team on the road (The Sunvold/Stipanovich Missouri team) that that was the most important win in MU history. To each his own, but I'm with Goose on this one. Great night that put a smile on my face for a week, but significance matters, and in the grand scheme of things, that win was not all that significant in the long run.
My opinion is that it is the greatest regular season win. You and goose obviously disagree . Goose even said that anyone with a brain would disagree. I asked him to name better wins, he couldn't, or refused to. You have. unfortunately I wasn't around for any of the hank era so I can't compare. Why do you think Missouri on the road is better? Actually curious because I wasn't around yet.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 08, 2018, 09:58:21 PM
I also don't expect top 15 next season. I'm thinking more top 30 at this point. May change depending on how the rest of the spring plays out.
Sounds like you are already downshifting expectations for next year, at least as compared to the "golden power point." Top 30 seems a far cry from a "high NCAA seed." Speaking of which, did you participate in Wojo's interview? Curious where you got access to the "golden power point?"
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Quote from: muguru on March 07, 2018, 03:04:34 PM
Who's expectations?? It's okay to you that his signature moment in 4 years is a win against #1?? That is record vs the dregs of the league, is way worse than it should be?? That his teams have been nothing but inconsistent(never winning 3 BE games in a row even). How is any of that, okay??
The expectations of the golden power point:
Year 1: Field a team
Year 2: Get Better
Year 3: Make the NCAA
Year 4: Weather the graduations, still make the postseason
Year 5: High NCAA seed
Year 6: Compete for BEast crown, legitimate final four contender
Year 7+: Sustained success
So it was written. So it shall be
CTWarrior
DJO has no idea, but Homer has said it was best regular season win in school history a thousand times on the radio. Yes, first time ever beating #1 in regular season, but not a top ten significant regular season win IMO. I would put beating UConn in first BE way ahead of the 'nova win and that is not top 5 IMO
DJOver
If you ever took the time to read the posts, especially from posters who can walk and chew gum, most of the history has been discussed on here to death. I would think off top of my head that needing to run the board on the road in '77 to get a bid that possibly there might be better win in that stretch.
Top 30 is theoretically between a 1-8 seed. Other places I have posted my expectations I have said 7 seed or higher. No downgrading here.
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 09, 2018, 07:37:58 AM
My opinion is that it is the greatest regular season win. You and goose obviously disagree . Goose even said that anyone with a brain would disagree. I asked him to name better wins, he couldn't, or refused to. You have. unfortunately I wasn't around for any of the hank era so I can't compare. Why do you think Missouri on the road is better? Actually curious because I wasn't around yet.
Let's start with a recent one: 2013. This was way better. How MU and Georgetown have fallen. The conference needs them back.
http://www.gomarquette.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/030913aaa.html
Dr.
DJOover was alive for that win, but unable to storm the court in celebration. Importance of wins goes hand in hand with overall team success. Beating 'nova was fun and could have been something to build on. Unfortunately it was just fun.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 08, 2018, 09:58:21 PM
I believe you had the same concerns after Ellenson left. Not good talent coming back.
Sam Hauser had one of the best offensive seasons not just in MU history but in Big East history. Markus Howard was 2nd Team All Big East. Neither are role players.
Theo, Jamal, and Greg are freshmen, I'm not ready to declare any of them role players yet. I think all three have potential.
Matt and Sacar are role players but those are solid role players to have.
Harry and Eke are probably role players but I'm not 100% sure we know what we have in them yet.
I also don't expect top 15 next season. I'm thinking more top 30 at this point. May change depending on how the rest of the spring plays out.
I personally feel that Sacar has grown into more than a role player, so I would just disagree on that one point. As of today, he is our primary slasher and I'm not sure if we'll have anyone else on the squad next year that has a similar description. That makes him a lynchpin, in a way, as IMO you need this kind of player to balance out all the spot-up 3P shooters hanging out beyond the line.
I see him at 10-14 points, 5-6 rebounds, 3-4 assists, 1-2 steals, that kind of player going forward. He is also already a capable defender (so a nice complement G to Markus). Lastly I think he has potential left, I think he will see him grow into a decent 3P shooter as well and add some other nuances to his game.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 09, 2018, 07:44:58 AM
Top 30 is theoretically between a 1-8 seed. Other places I have posted my expectations I have said 7 seed or higher. No downgrading here.
Okay. But Wojo, in his power point, presented his vision in Year 5 as being a "high NCAA seed?"
I can see some nice pieces that will help toward that goal, yet I'm truly concerned about Wojo's ability to coach. Personally, I think we underachieved our talent each of the last two seasons.
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 09, 2018, 07:37:58 AM
My opinion is that it is the greatest regular season win. You and goose obviously disagree . Goose even said that anyone with a brain would disagree. I asked him to name better wins, he couldn't, or refused to. You have. unfortunately I wasn't around for any of the hank era so I can't compare. Why do you think Missouri on the road is better? Actually curious because I wasn't around yet.
I don't. Hank Raymonds said it was at the time and was roundly criticized for it, but it was on a par with the Nova win for significance.
Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on March 08, 2018, 10:25:17 PM
Everyone, until a Wojo team learns to play defense...hell...a little defense...we should get used to the bubble watch. As much as it sucked watching VT choke against ND, the defensive intensity (let's leave the offense out of the discussion for now) was refreshing to see.
Rowsey was fun to watch on "O" but his "D" was painful. Sam has no lateral movement. He looks like he is stuck in wet cement an Nova took full advantage. I don't even want to go into rebounding. To have the other team repeatedly grab offensive rebounds off FREE THROWS is unbelievable and inexcusable. Al used to say that the only thing that can be controlled in the game is defensive effort. MU needs a remedial class in that line of thought.
And before everyone jumps on me for being new or a troll, I had a different screen name with over 3000 posts. Just haven't posted all season and forgot all my login info...
Big +1 here. Wojo is going to have to prove that he can put together a good defensive team. The excuse around here has been that Wojo has never had the guys to have a good defense, well I don't think that excuse can be used anymore. For all the talk of how next season is "the year" they are going to need to make a big jump defensively to really be a threat.
I also would agree with those that say the loss of Rowsey is going to hurt more than many fans think. Playing him with Howard put a ton of pressure on opposing defenses and created a ton of space for our bigs and slashers to work. Chances of getting a grad transfer or HS PG that will bring the offensive ability of Rowsey is basically zero. There are multiple games this year that there is no way MU wins without Rowsey- Wed night was one of them.
I also think it will be interesting to see how Sam does playing the 3 pretty much exclusively. It seems the few times he struggles offensively is when he's guarded by athletic wings with length, and I would think he will face more defenders like that next year. Especially with Rowsey gone and opponents putting all their focus on slowing down Howard and Hauser.
Yeti
Sacar was a benefactor of the outside shooting skills on this team. Hauser also saw more open looks due to the little guys. Very similar to HC looking awfully good when Luke and HE played him and not so much beyond that. Don't over estimate guys without looking at the big picture. Sacar could slash because it was wide open and happy he did. Might not be so wide open next season.
Goose
That win over UCONN was truly a great one, as was the win over St. Johns to win the Big East. Now that games have been referenced, we can have a discussion. All three wins were amazing and it is my opinion that the Nova win was the best. You obviously disagree, which is fine. I think that the UCONN game has extra sentimentality because it was our first game in the new conference and Mr. Novak had one of the best single game performances in MU history. If you think that it was a better win that's fine, but you talk about building on these wins, and the 05-06 season ended with a loss to a 10 seed, the same way the 16-17 season ended with a loss to a 7 seed. Both great wins, but we weren't able to have a successful end of season.
The St. Johns game was also a huge win, and that's the one that gets remember because that's when they got the trophy, and eventual banner. However, I think the biggest win of the season that year was over Syracuse. Watching Vander and Cater-Williams go back and forth was really fun, they were also ranked 12th at the time. Both great wins in the 12-13 season, and we were able to build on them and get to an E8.
An argument can be made for all these games, and we all have our different opinions. Mine is the Nova game, yours is the UCONN game, that's fine. Saying anyone with a brain knows that Nova isn't the biggest win is not fine, and its interesting that you said that and then in your very next post said that you often find me disrespectful. I have never intentionally disrespected anyone, any unintentional disrespect would stem from me laying the sarcasm on too thick. If I have disrespected you I apologize.
Quote from: GrimmReaper33 on March 09, 2018, 08:10:23 AM
I also would agree with those that say the loss of Rowsey is going to hurt more than many fans think. Playing him with Howard put a ton of pressure on opposing defenses and created a ton of space for our bigs and slashers to work.
It did? Boy .. Heldt, Frolling, Anim.. must have had great years then.
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 09, 2018, 07:37:58 AM
My opinion is that it is the greatest regular season win. You and goose obviously disagree . Goose even said that anyone with a brain would disagree. I asked him to name better wins, he couldn't, or refused to. You have. unfortunately I wasn't around for any of the hank era so I can't compare. Why do you think Missouri on the road is better? Actually curious because I wasn't around yet.
So don't get angry when a bunch of people disagree.
I personally didn't care about the 'greatest regular season win' prior to Nova. Mainly because those regular season games were just one of many great moments and usually not the peak accomplishment of a program or era. If we are talking about 'greatest regular season' anything, it likely means we are failing as a program (caution: hyperbole -- I am not saying the Marquette program is failing)
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 09, 2018, 08:31:28 AM
So don't get angry when a bunch of people disagree.
I personally didn't care about the 'greatest regular season win' prior to Nova. Mainly because those regular season games were just one of many great moments and usually not the peak accomplishment of a program or era. If we are talking about 'greatest regular season' anything, it likely means we are failing as a program (caution: hyperbole -- I am not saying the Marquette program is failing)
I didn't get angry, I was mostly irritated when he said that Nova wasn't even top 5, and then wouldn't name his top 5. I enjoy good discussion, especially about mubb, so if someone brings up a point that I don't agree with, I will try to have a discussion with them.
Honestly I'm pretty happy that Goose and I have turned a thread about the NIT into reminiscing about our favorite moments.
Quote from: muguru on March 08, 2018, 08:01:08 PM
They're young!!!
Yes, they are young and will be really, really, really good next year...or the year after. repeat and rinse.
Quote from: Goose on March 09, 2018, 07:40:41 AM
CTWarrior
DJO has no idea, but Homer has said it was best regular season win in school history a thousand times on the radio. Yes, first time ever beating #1 in regular season, but not a top ten significant regular season win IMO. I would put beating UConn in first BE way ahead of the 'nova win and that is not top 5 IMO
I think part of the problem that permeates this whole discussion is that not so long ago, a win over the overall #1 would not have been that big of a surprise. We were a consistent top 25ish team and while it would have been a tough win, it was not "charge onto the court to celebrate" tough.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 09, 2018, 08:22:32 AM
It did? Boy .. Heldt, Frolling, Anim.. must have had great years then.
I would amend grimm's comment to state, "it should have created a ton of..."
Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on March 09, 2018, 09:21:30 AM
I think part of the problem that permeates this whole discussion is that not so long ago, a win over the overall #1 would not have been that big of a surprise. We were a consistent top 25ish team and while it would have been a tough win, it was not "charge onto the court to celebrate" tough.
Then why did it never happen until last year?
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on March 09, 2018, 09:38:19 AM
Then why did it never happen until last year?
How many times have we played overall #1s in the last 50 years? What is that number as a percent of the number of games we have played in total?
I am saying that we have played at a level in the not distant past where we would not have stormed the court after beating a #1. As a program, we expected to be competitive with top-tier teams. Now, not so much. That is not good, in my opinion.
Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on March 09, 2018, 09:44:30 AM
How many times have we played overall #1s in the last 50 years? What is that number as a percent of the number of games we have played in total?
I am saying that we have played at a level in the not distant past where we would not have stormed the court after beating a #1. As a program, we expected to be competitive with top-tier teams. Now, not so much. That is not good, in my opinion.
Ask Goose about first paragraph. He should know
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 09, 2018, 08:22:32 AM
It did? Boy .. Heldt, Frolling, Anim.. must have had great years then.
Well they weren't that great because frankly they aren't very good players, especially offensively. Also, Anim did have some big games offensively where he was able to slash to the rim and Hauser also scored quite a bit in the paint. Point is the offensive spacing is not going to be nearly as good next year, IMO, without the Howard/Rowsey combo at guard.
I expect the offensive efficiency numbers will drop some on next year's team, can they improve enough defensively to offset that and beyond to be as good as fans are expecting next year? Morrow should help, no doubt, but is he all of a sudden going to make this a top 50 defensive team from the 175 rated defense they are now?
ATL MU
I believe MU has played five games in MKE against the #1 team in the country and won once. Playing #1 has not happened often in the history of the program.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on March 09, 2018, 09:38:19 AM
Then why did it never happen until last year?
Basic reason is that when Al was here UCLA was almost always number 1 and we never played them.
CTWarrior
Bingo. We have played more games ranked #1 than against #1 opponents.
My impression is, and I could be completely wrong about this, is that MU didn't necessarily play a very strong schedule. Mostly against other independents while other schools were in their conference season.
Back in the day, strength of schedule wasn't much of an emphasis anyway. Just many games against traditional opponents.
In 1976-77 for instance, Marquette played seven ranked teams (out of 26 games) and lost five of them.
sultan,
Schedules were different back then. MU played the same teams year in and year out. Some years were tougher than others. Please note that MU ran the board with five straight wins against ranked teams to win it all. I am in the minority of the older guys on here, but I think the '76-77 team was either third or best team Al ever had at MU. The record did not reflect the talent level.
For the record the team that lost to Ohio State was the best, followed by '75-76 team, IMO. The championship team was an elite team and started the season off ranked either #1 or #2 depending on the poll. I believe SI had #1.
Thanks Goose, that's what I thought.
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 09, 2018, 07:51:34 AM
Okay. But Wojo, in his power point, presented his vision in Year 5 as being a "high NCAA seed?"
I can see some nice pieces that will help toward that goal, yet I'm truly concerned about Wojo's ability to coach. Personally, I think we underachieved our talent each of the last two seasons.
What I'm saying is that 7 seed or higher is a high NCAA seed.
For the 2nd paragraph, that's your opinion and you are welcome to it. But no one in the business projected us making the tournament last season but we did. No one in the business projected us making the tournament this season and we are now in the conversation. Your expectations were higher, nothing wrong with that. But I trust the opinions of the collective professionals more.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 09, 2018, 02:46:35 PMWhat I'm saying is that 7 seed or higher is a high NCAA seed.
People talk all the time about being a top-25 team. To get to 25, you need the top 6 seed lines (6x4=24) and one off the 7 line. I agree that 7 or better is a high seed because that's right around the cutoff for being ranked (and thus the perception that you're one of the best teams in the country).
Quote from: Goose on March 09, 2018, 08:17:33 AM
Yeti
Sacar was a benefactor of the outside shooting skills on this team. Hauser also saw more open looks due to the little guys. Very similar to HC looking awfully good when Luke and HE played him and not so much beyond that. Don't over estimate guys without looking at the big picture. Sacar could slash because it was wide open and happy he did. Might not be so wide open next season.
Agreed on Sacar but not on Sam. Sure he benefitted but he is an elite offensive player and has all conference type talent
My goal this season was a high seed in the NIT. Everything else is gravy. If we sneak in, which I am hoping for, that would be amazing.
Having said that I am also a Large Wojo supporter. This stuff takes time.
Annnd having said that, next year will be a very judgmental year for me with him. I agree with most in the sentiment that I would like us to be atleast ranked top 25 for a bit (1-2 weeks atleast) hang around the top 30 and get a top 7 seed or so in the tourney.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 09, 2018, 02:46:35 PM
What I'm saying is that 7 seed or higher is a high NCAA seed.
For the 2nd paragraph, that's your opinion and you are welcome to it. But no one in the business projected us making the tournament last season but we did. No one in the business projected us making the tournament this season and we are now in the conversation. Your expectations were higher, nothing wrong with that. But I trust the opinions of the collective professionals more.
Some solid goal post shifting. A 7 seed is now considered a "high seed." Got it. Think most would disagree. A high seed to me is a 3 or 4.
As for your second paragraph. Fair enough. Those same experts picked Buzz's last team to win the Big East - it missed NIT. Granted, Buzz was way off his game coaching that season, but preseason prognostications are a crapshoot at best.
I suspect we will never be as elite offensively under Wojo as we have been the past two years. I expect slight improvement defensively next year, but not enough to mitigate offensive regression.
I'm betting we'll be a 1 seed in the NIT with Notre Dame the 2 seed in our group.
Meaning your last MU game at the Bradley Center potentially could be MU vs ND.
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 09, 2018, 03:15:39 PM
Some solid goal post shifting. A 7 seed is now considered a "high seed." Got it. Think most would disagree. A high seed to me is a 3 or 4.
As for your second paragraph. Fair enough. Those same experts picked Buzz's last team to win the Big East - it missed NIT. Granted, Buzz was way off his game coaching that season, but preseason prognostications are a crapshoot at best.
I suspect we will never be as elite offensively under Wojo as we have been the past two years. I expect slight improvement defensively next year, but not enough to mitigate offensive regression.
Agree that our D still might not be there next year, however I believe that we can be just as good offensively. We've got to make up 20 points and five assists. Ed should contribute 10 points (a 1 point improvement from 2 years ago at Nebraska), I think Sam can make the jump from 15 up to 18, Greg and Jamal should combine to improve by 5(I'm not sure who will end up getting more minutes, but a 3 point and 2 point improvement isn't out of the question), and if we get anything from Theo, Joey, Harry or Brendan that will equal 20. Assuming that we dont get a grad transfer and Markus is the primary ball handler I think he can improve from 3 apg to 5, Sam can go from 3 apg to 5, and Greg/Jamal can improve one assist.
Now obviously that is an ideal scenario that is likely not going to happen exactly as a described, but we should be much more balanced offensively with a legit post presence, and Sacar, Jamal, and Greg all getting better at slashing/ off the ball movement. As good as we were offensively we pretty much had one trick, we were just very good at it. We'll still have two elite shooters next year, but more importantly, we'll have a much more balanced attack.
Now, we still could regress offensively, I just don't think its a sure thing.
TAMU
We will see on Sam, but without a solid PG I do not see him get anywhere the wide open looks next season. Either a upper end PG or finding someone to play center would change my opinion.
Quote from: Goose on March 09, 2018, 04:31:24 PM
TAMU
We will see on Sam, but without a solid PG I do not see him get anywhere the wide open looks next season. Either a upper end PG or finding someone to play center would change my opinion.
I think this is fair, but Markus played 68% of the PG minutes last year per Kenpom. Reinhardt also had some point guard minutes. Andrew greatly improved as a distributor this year and we will miss him, but Sam got open looks in 2016-17 with Markus, Andrew, and Katin running point.
Quote from: Goose on March 09, 2018, 04:31:24 PM
TAMU
We will see on Sam, but without a solid PG I do not see him get anywhere the wide open looks next season. Either a upper end PG or finding someone to play center would change my opinion.
I wonder if Morrow helps here. I don't think he's a pound it inside type of guy, but he's a threat inside the arc. That could open up some things if he's a good passer.
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 09, 2018, 03:15:39 PM
Some solid goal post shifting. A 7 seed is now considered a "high seed." Got it. Think most would disagree. A high seed to me is a 3 or 4.
As for your second paragraph. Fair enough. Those same experts picked Buzz's last team to win the Big East - it missed NIT. Granted, Buzz was way off his game coaching that season, but preseason prognostications are a crapshoot at best.
I suspect we will never be as elite offensively under Wojo as we have been the past two years. I expect slight improvement defensively next year, but not enough to mitigate offensive regression.
Amen...since when is a 7 seed a high seed?? A high seed to me, is a top 4 protected seed.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 09, 2018, 02:49:10 PM
People talk all the time about being a top-25 team. To get to 25, you need the top 6 seed lines (6x4=24) and one off the 7 line. I agree that 7 or better is a high seed because that's right around the cutoff for being ranked (and thus the perception that you're one of the best teams in the country).
Who thinks that the 25th, 26th, 27th and 28th best teams are "one of the best teams in the country"? Nobody I know.
Quote from: f/k/a humanlung on March 09, 2018, 09:21:30 AM
I think part of the problem that permeates this whole discussion is that not so long ago, a win over the overall #1 would not have been that big of a surprise. We were a consistent top 25ish team and while it would have been a tough win, it was not "charge onto the court to celebrate" tough.
Ding ding ding! I'd like MU to be the team that other fans rush the floor for after beating..
Quote from: muguru on March 09, 2018, 05:13:47 PM
Ding ding ding! I'd like MU to be the team that other fans rush the floor for after beating..
Since you don't settle for mediocrity, what will you do to ensure that?
No way we get in with the losses we have, no consistency with the team this year
Did MU miss the NIT Buzz's last year or let it be known we wouldn't mind missing it knowing he was gowne? Cords communicated before the BET there was going to disruptions upcoming but that we would be fine...
Quote from: muguru on March 09, 2018, 05:13:47 PM
Ding ding ding! I'd like MU to be the team that other fans rush the floor for after beating..
While this is obviously the goal for every program, I can only imagine your rage if we got beat by an unranked team while ranked in the top 5.
Beetin' Bucky in Madison in 1977 afta losin' 3 straight at home, wen da Tourney looked bleak, wuz a program definin' moment, aina?
4ever
DJO has different opinion. Homer told him the 'nova win was best regular season win. Creighton win was somewhat important that season.
Dr.
MU was ending Buzz relationship and NITwas not an option.
The 1977 Warriors finished the season with 5 straight road games after losing 3 straight at the Arena. Following the win at UW there were victories at Virginia Tech, Tulane, and Creighton. Final game was lost in Ann Arbor by 1 point. Altough, MU learned at halftime that they were in the Tourney. I, along with many, contend that winning that all important game vs. Madison helped propel them to the National Championship. Thus, beating the Badgers, at that time, was a program changer.
Quote from: Goose on March 09, 2018, 07:39:49 PM
4ever
DJO has different opinion. Homer told him the 'nova win was best regular season win. Creighton win was somewhat important that season.
Come on goose. Homer and I have the same opinion, I don't have that opinion because homer said it was the biggest, I truly believe it no matter what homer says. Just because I agree with homer and homer isn't the end all be all of mu hoops doesn't mean that were both wrong.
Based on what 4ever said, it sounds like that uw game was pretty big too. Other wins being big does not make the nova win smaller.
Doc
I agree on Badger win, but think the Va Tech was of equal importance. All were big and Badger game was awfully important. Earlier in the thread I mentioned that there were 4-5 bigger regular season wins in a month than the upset last year.
As you know, that if we needed to close the Michigan deal, it would have been sealed. Beat them for as long as needed on that selection day.
DJO
The win last year can be favorite, most fun or whatever you want to call it. It is not a top ten regular season win in program history. Sorry to burst bubble, just stating facts. Ask 4ever...he is elder statesman of this crew.
Yes, Rickie Green and Michigan were toast had we needed to school them.
Quote from: Goose on March 09, 2018, 08:02:00 PM
DJO
The win last year can be favorite, most fun or whatever you want to call it. It is not a top ten regular season win in program history. Sorry to burst bubble, just stating facts. Ask 4ever...he is elder statesman of this crew.
It sounds like the uw game in 77 was huge but thay we also needed a couple wins after it, so you can say that it was the biggest 3 game winning streak in program history, and we all know that wojo can't win 3 regular season games in a row, so you got me there, but you can't say that my opinion is wrong, that's not how opinions work, and deferring to another old timer may help you reinforce your opinion, but it won't really affect my opinion if 4ever agrees with me or not. No offense 4ever
DJO
I hope you experience a real big win in your lifetime. If you do,you will know the difference.
Quote from: Goose on March 09, 2018, 08:10:11 PM
DJO
I hope you experience a real big win in your lifetime. If you do,you will know the difference.
I'd like to think thay I've done ok so far. Got a ways to go, but appreciate the good wishes.
Nothing better than "remember the good old days" guys yucking it up about how they are much better fans than the rest of us.
Holding poses is bad. Shooting 3s is bad. Need to go to the bench for not following their shot.
Etc etc etc
Probably don't think advanced stats mean anything and hate that golden state is an amazing NBA team.
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 09, 2018, 03:15:39 PM
Some solid goal post shifting. A 7 seed is now considered a "high seed." Got it. Think most would disagree. A high seed to me is a 3 or 4.
No goal post shiftting at all. You misinterpreted what I said. To prove it here is a post of my expectations from before the golden power point post
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 03, 2018, 11:10:42 PM
Let me be as clear as I can. My expectations for Wojo next season are that we are "comfortably" in the tournament. Let's call that a top 7 seed. If they do not achieve this, Wojo will not have met my expectations for the first season and I will be concerned.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on March 09, 2018, 08:37:43 PM
No goal post shiftting at all. You misinterpreted what I said. To prove it here is a post of my expectations from before the golden power point post
Guess where you lost me was on the golden power point comment that the expectation was a "high seed" in Year 5. A 7 seed, IMO is not a high seed. It is solidly in the tournament, but, NOT a high seed. Basically a coin flip game in the first round.
Oh well. I'd be pleased with a 7 seed next year. I can live with our program being a consistent NCAA tournament team, with occasional breakthroughs to Sweet 16 say every 3 years.
Jesmu
I have said many times on here, the young guns on here are far better fans than I am at this point in my life.
I have said in last 24 hours that I am 1000% in on having three point shooters. Simply stated that some me guys are not three point shooters. IMO, regardless of this year's stats, Cain is not one of them. Shooters know if a shot is going in the second it leaves their hands. Cain misses shots badly and is still hoping it goes in. He simply, flat out is not a shooter.
My suggestion to you, try and become a shooter and not Cain. Before you post what you think an old Fock is saying, read their posts first.
For the record, I love the GS Warriors and everything about their style.
I finally just read through this entire thing over the last 20 minutes or so. My son is getting married tonight, so I have been busy as heck, but I thought I'd take a break from the craziness to read a little Scoop ...
In short, a lot about this thread made me a little sad.
We had factions, tribes, people taking personal shots, "you guys," people talking over each other without listening, etc. It was almost like reading the politics board again.
I am going to try to avoid doing any of that while discussing some of the points herein. (Hopefully I'll succeed.) Disclosure: Just about everything that follows is IMHO.
1. Dayton games obviously are part of the NCAA tournament. Shaka Smart's entire reputation was shaped in 2011, when VCU barely squeaked into the tournament, won in Dayton, and then won 4 more games - including the stunner against Kansas to reach the Final Four. It's easy to say now, "Yeah, but does anybody here think this MU team is capable of doing that?" OK, but did anybody back in 2011 think that VCU team was capable of doing that? It's the NCAA tournament. You want to get in. Period.
2. I have never liked an argument that includes a line like, "Take away that win against Villanova and we've accomplished nothing," or "Take away Barry Sanders' three 60-yard runs and the defense did well." You can't take away the Nova win. You can't take away the Sanders runs. Nova was a great win. I'm not sure why anybody would want to take it away or to make it "count less." In the past, I was never a big fan of storming the court, but it was fun watching the students do that.
3. Also, to say that was the only big win Wojo has had is not fair. The win over Nova was preceded by a road victory at No. 7 Creighton. That seems like a pretty important win to me. Another over Creighton and 2 over Xavier later in the year. Even the Brooklyn tournament and the win at Kohl during Henry's year ... they were pretty big at the time.
4. I'd much rather be great all season and have no sweat on Selection Sunday. But getting one of the last bids ... isn't that exactly what the 1977 Warriors did? Should they have been embarrassed to accept the bid?
5. Sacar is a role player and will continue to be so. Sam isn't, at least not by the way I define role players; I still think Sam will play in the NBA. Jury is still out on this year's freshmen. My gut tells me that Theo will be a role player his entire 4 years and the other 2 probably will be, too. Cain is especially intriguing, though.
6. If we get a competent PG and if we don't have some unforeseen departures of players, I am extremely high on next season. Ranked most of the year, top-5 NCAA seed, etc.
7. So unfair and silly to pre-dismiss any accomplishments of next year's team because the Big East might not be as strong. You play the schedule you have. You play in the league you're in. I mean, the BE was very strong last season. Does that mean Wojo gets extra points for making the NCAAs?
8. I learn a ton from people younger than I am just about every day. I also learn a ton from people older than I am all the time. I am the parent of two Millennials. They are amazing people, and it would pretty offensive to summarily dismiss their ideas because they are a part of an age group some don't respect.
Gotta go get ready for a Millennial wedding, so chat with y'all more in the future.
Quote from: MU82 on March 10, 2018, 01:48:40 PM
I finally just read through this entire thing over the last 20 minutes or so. My son is getting married tonight, so I have been busy as heck, but I thought I'd take a break from the craziness to read a little Scoop ...
Congratulations but I have to say that last sentence had me LOL!
MU82,
That was great summary of this thread. It's interesting how these threads take on a life of their own. When I started this thread, the Warriors were getting pounded by Villanova, and I was trying to reconcile myself to a NIT bid.
- Did the season meet my expectations?
(Yes, if the Warriors squeak into the NCAA Tournament.)
- Are the Warriors where I thought they would be in year 4 of the Wojo era?
(Yes, if the Warriors squeak into the NCAA Tournament.)
- Is there upside in 2018/2019, or have the Warriors plateaued under Wojo?
(Undecided - but interesting discussions.)
As I get older, I've learned to accept the well-reasoned (non-emotional) thoughts of others. I appreciate the input.
Congrats 82. Best wishes to the happy couple. I hope there is enough Milllennial Toast on hand.
Congrats MU82. Well done.
Thanks MU82, especially since I didn't want to have to read the first seven pages of this thread.
Mu has announced that if we end up in the NIT (which we won't cause we are definitely getting a NCAA bid).
We would host the games at the Al
Quote from: fjm on March 10, 2018, 04:36:59 PM
Mu has announced that if we end up in the NIT (which we won't cause we are definitely getting a NCAA bid).
We would host the games at the Al
Women are having a NCAA viewing party. Men's will be private.
Quote from: Goose on March 10, 2018, 03:21:06 AM
Jesmu
I have said many times on here, the young guns on here are far better fans than I am at this point in my life.
I have said in last 24 hours that I am 1000% in on having three point shooters. Simply stated that some me guys are not three point shooters. IMO, regardless of this year's stats, Cain is not one of them. Shooters know if a shot is going in the second it leaves their hands. Cain misses shots badly and is still hoping it goes in. He simply, flat out is not a shooter.
My suggestion to you, try and become a shooter and not Cain. Before you post what you think an old Fock is saying, read their posts first.
For the record, I love the GS Warriors and everything about their style.
Jamal Cain shot 46% from 3 this year. Limited attempts, sure. But plenty to be worth noting. Pretty impressive for a freshman.
Congrats, MU82. I hope your son and his wife have a long and happy marriage!!!
Quote from: MU82 on March 10, 2018, 01:48:40 PM
I finally just read through this entire thing over the last 20 minutes or so. My son is getting married tonight, so I have been busy as heck, but I thought I'd take a break from the craziness to read a little Scoop ...
To escape craziness you read scoop? I read it when I'm looking for craziness.
Quote from: mr.MUskie on March 10, 2018, 05:39:41 PM
To escape craziness you read scoop? I read it when I'm looking for craziness.
Well, there are all different kinds of craziness!
There's nothing kind of like wedding craziness, especially when one is a parent of the groom or the bride.