They say on TV he's running the offense? Stupid, forced shots without passing and working for a good shot is not running an offense. Then a dumb bump for a foul on offense. Ugh!!!
If we don't get a transfer to play the point, you're gonna miss Rowsey, dumb mistakes and all.
Quote from: mujersey on February 26, 2018, 07:27:25 PM
They say on TV he's running the offense? Stupid, forced shots without passing and working for a good shot is not running an offense. Then a dumb bump for a foul on offense. Ugh!!!
We will miss Rowsey greatly next season.
Hold off on the tar and feathers till an end of season scoop thread covering the season. Rowsey is an asset.
Next season will be better though.
His 17 points and 9 assists (and counting) tonight are just awful
Quote from: The Deane Team on February 26, 2018, 07:39:32 PM
His 17 points and 9 assists (and counting) tonight are just awful
I know right?
I agree with everything, however our backup PG cannot even dribble uncontested.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on February 26, 2018, 07:40:28 PM
I know right?
You can't just count the positives....you gotta add the negatives.... he's replaceable
Quote from: mujersey on February 26, 2018, 08:08:58 PM
You can't just count the positives....you gotta add the negatives.... he's replaceable
They don't have a replacement lined up.
What happened? Did he bang your girlfriend?
Yep. Just the worst. Can't wait for him to be gone. Yep.
This topic didn't age well.
;)
Double double. Iced the game. Somebody exposed their ignorance.
Ill admit he totally made me eat my words with his play at the end of this game. Well done.
28 points 10 assists stone cold down the stretch. Will be missed greatly next year.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on February 26, 2018, 07:52:54 PM
I agree with everything, however our backup PG cannot even dribble uncontested.
I thought Howard played composed. Some nice passes; one to Froling that resulted in a foul, and one to Rousey for.a.open three ehich he.missed. Howard as a PG on the offensive side does not worry me.
Don't post irresponsibly until the game is decided
Rowsey hit some big shots tonite n i will forever love the kids stones. Yet he makes so many errors and turnovers on offense and takes some really poor shots. Alot of those big shots, if we just moved the ball better someone else could make the shots. I love the kid, but i think we can ultimately do better at the position, unfortunately the answer is not Howard either
This didn't age particularly well.
Quote from: mujersey on February 26, 2018, 07:27:25 PM
They say on TV he's running the offense? Stupid, forced shots without passing and working for a good shot is not running an offense. Then a dumb bump for a foul on offense. Ugh!!!
Reign it in little buddy! Always great to beat the Hoyas. Andrew played great tonight and would not have been in it without him...
Quote from: patso on February 26, 2018, 08:20:02 PM
Don't post irresponsibly until the game is decided
Drinking and posting is bad, lol. Guess we hate tonight's SOTG
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on February 26, 2018, 08:22:25 PM
Rowsey hit some big shots tonite n i will forever love the kids stones. Yet he makes so many errors and turnovers on offense and takes some really poor shots. Alot of those big shots, if we just moved the ball better someone else could make the shots. I love the kid, but i think we can ultimately do better at the position, unfortunately the answer is not Howard either
He only had 3 turnovers. And 10 assists! Wow. Tough crowd.
Quote from: mujersey on February 26, 2018, 07:27:25 PM
They say on TV he's running the offense? Stupid, forced shots without passing and working for a good shot is not running an offense. Then a dumb bump for a foul on offense. Ugh!!!
What a terrible post. Good stuff.
On second thought..
Wow. Really.
When Sandy trash talks, our stars respond.
Quote from: mujersey on February 26, 2018, 07:27:25 PM
They say on TV he's running the offense? Stupid, forced shots without passing and working for a good shot is not running an offense. Then a dumb bump for a foul on offense. Ugh!!!
Hmmmm
Lots of people have shared the same sentiment about Rowsey's frustrating style of play, but when it comes down to it, he's an asset to this team. His pull up 3's and hero ball can make even his biggest fan pull their hair out at times, no doubt, but he's a fun kid to watch. He brings a competitive edge that I don't think anyone else has, and that makes a big difference for us as a team.
Quote from: skianth16 on February 26, 2018, 08:31:37 PM
Lots of people have shared the same sentiment about Rowsey's frustrating style of play, but when it comes down to it, he's an asset to this team. His pull up 3's and hero ball can make even his biggest fan pull their hair out at times, no doubt, but he's a fun kid to watch. He brings a competitive edge that I don't think anyone else has, and that makes a big difference for us as a team.
When he's hitting hero shots he's a blast to watch. A player like Rowsey has the green light always
Wojo: "We're a better team when [Rowsey's] a passer. It just opens everything up."
Quote from: skianth16 on February 26, 2018, 08:31:37 PM
Lots of people have shared the same sentiment about Rowsey's frustrating style of play, but when it comes down to it, he's an asset to this team. His pull up 3's and hero ball can make even his biggest fan pull their hair out at times, no doubt, but he's a fun kid to watch. He brings a competitive edge that I don't think anyone else has, and that makes a big difference for us as a team.
Agree i love his toughness
I want Jersey to come back and defend it.
Quote from: Eldon on February 26, 2018, 08:37:32 PM
Wojo: "We're a better team when [Rowsey's] a passer. It just opens everything up."
In my opinion same for Howard. It is a team of five on the floor.
Quote from: mujersey on February 26, 2018, 07:27:25 PM
They say on TV he's running the offense? Stupid, forced shots without passing and working for a good shot is not running an offense. Then a dumb bump for a foul on offense. Ugh!!!
Hello? You really didn't notice him running the offense with 10 assists and 3 TOs in 43 minutes?
Quote from: tower912 on February 26, 2018, 08:39:39 PM
I want Jersey to come back and defend it.
No need. We all get the frustration. Most seem to understand the net positive impact too, though. I'm sure jersey's tune has changed after that OT performance,
@OldTakesExposed
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on February 26, 2018, 08:25:01 PM
He only had 3 turnovers. And 10 assists! Wow. Tough crowd.
Agreed! And if that is your criteria, in two years he has turned the ball over 140 times. Dwyane Wade had 203 turnovers in two years and he AVERAGED more than 3 turnovers a game. When you need to make things happen you are going to have turnovers. I agree some of his shots were bad, but our guys couldn't seem to catch a pass during the first half. Don't get me wrong, Sam Hauser is our best player as I wrote this morning and his 7 of 8 on three-pointers takes him to 54.4 percent in Big East play.
But we would have lost more games without Rowsey on the floor. Also, he had a ton of people up from Lexington, Virginia and elsewhere in Virginia provide a great cheering boost and we were behind the bench and heard down the stretch. Maybe he forced it a bit with the nice home crowd on the road, but in the end he brought through the win.
I hope he has a great sendoff as the only senior vs Creighton.
Quote from: mujersey on February 26, 2018, 07:27:25 PM
They say on TV he's running the offense? Stupid, forced shots without passing and working for a good shot is not running an offense. Then a dumb bump for a foul on offense. Ugh!!!
Probably the worst player in the history of Marquette basketball. Points and assists ... so overrated.
And what's with that hair!
If I were Wojo, I wouldn't even wait for next year. I'd just cut him now.
Wait ... that's not good enough. Banish him from campus.
No ... still not enough. Make him have lunch with guru on a "cranky guru day."
Lol
Guru was being annass on the game thread and said Sam should be pkaying more minutes. He ppayed at least 41-42 minutes tonite. He also said wojo is stupid for subbing in Freshman. 🤪🧐🤯
He did take a couple of long 2s that had me yelling at the TV. Overall, you take the large amount of good with the occasional really bad.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on February 26, 2018, 11:04:29 PM
Lol
Guru was being annass on the game thread and said Sam should be pkaying more minutes. He ppayed at least 41-42 minutes tonite. He also said wojo is stupid for subbing in Freshman. 🤪🧐🤯
Some Scoopers say silly things.
Why, there was one guy who kept insisting that Luke Fischer was a horrible player who wasn't even worthy of wearing a Marquette uniform. Can you imagine?!?!?
Quote from: MU82 on February 26, 2018, 11:07:26 PM
Some Scoopers say silly things.
Why, there was one guy who kept insisting that Luke Fischer was a horrible player who wasn't even worthy of wearing a Marquette uniform. Can you imagine?!?!?
Never said that. Said with all the offensive firepower we had that Heldt was a better fit at the 5 due to his defensive abilities. Low and behold Wojo made the move near the end of the season and the teams fortunes changed as we rallied for spme big wins and an NCAA birth
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on February 26, 2018, 11:14:49 PM
Never said that. Said with all the offensive firepower we had that Heldt was a better fit at the 5 due to his defensive abilities. Low and behold Wojo made the move near the end of the season and the teams fortunes changed as we rallied for spme big wins and an NCAA birth
Ah, so that was some other guy mercilessly ripping on Luke. My bad.
Rowsey is easily the most entertaining player on this team. Sure, he takes some bad shots and forces things, but you cant deny we play so much better when he's playing well and getting others involved. The heart and fire he plays with will be sorely missed next year. He's always the one to bring us out of large slumps like tonight when GT went on a 21-3 run.
Second, I'm so sick of people acting like Markus Howard is less of a problem than Rowsey. He is the biggest ball hog, shot happy player on this team. I can't stand watching him play hero ball. This team needs either a grad transfer or Greg Ellliott to play PG next year or we're not going far. I love him to death, but he plays a very selfish style of basketball that benefits him, but won't translate into team success. The guy's hashtag on social media is #LeagueME for christ sake.
Did i rip on luke as a horrible defender and a wholly overated offensive player when offense from the 5 was the least of our concerns? Yessir!
Quote from: moneymac on February 26, 2018, 11:31:19 PM
Rowsey is easily the most entertaining player on this team. Sure, he takes some bad shots and forces things, but you cant deny we play so much better when he's playing well and getting others involved. The heart and fire he plays with will be sorely missed next year. He's always the one to bring us out of large slumps like tonight when GT went on a 21-3 run.
Second, I'm so sick of people acting like Markus Howard is less of a problem than Rowsey. He is the biggest ball hog, shot happy player on this team. I can't stand watching him play hero ball. This team needs either a grad transfer or Greg Ellliott to play PG next year or we're not going far. I love him to death, but he plays a very selfish style of basketball that benefits him, but won't translate into team success. The guy's hashtag on social media is #LeagueME for christ sake.
Don't disagree with a lot of this, but LeagueMe is a basketball training company run by his older brother.
He is too selfish right now but he can improve as a PG the same way that Rowsey has
Quote from: moneymac on February 26, 2018, 11:31:19 PM
Rowsey is easily the most entertaining player on this team. Sure, he takes some bad shots and forces things, but you cant deny we play so much better when he's playing well and getting others involved. The heart and fire he plays with will be sorely missed next year. He's always the one to bring us out of large slumps like tonight when GT went on a 21-3 run.
Second, I'm so sick of people acting like Markus Howard is less of a problem than Rowsey. He is the biggest ball hog, shot happy player on this team. I can't stand watching him play hero ball. This team needs either a grad transfer or Greg Ellliott to play PG next year or we're not going far. I love him to death, but he plays a very selfish style of basketball that benefits him, but won't translate into team success. The guy's hashtag on social media is #LeagueME for christ sake.
Agree
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on February 26, 2018, 11:33:27 PM
Don't disagree with a lot of this, but LeagueMe is a basketball training company run by his older brother.
He is too selfish right now but he can improve as a PG the same way that Rowsey has
Hahaha my bad. I just thought that was his "brand" or something. Can't hold supporting his bro against him
Tonight was not the night to rip on Rowsey.
But, I'll say this,
Andrew is a very hot and cold player. He has been both frustrating and explosive.
He has won games for us and he has lost games for us.
Great shooter (can be streaky).
Can be a good passer (not often enough).
Horrible defender (all of the time).
Poor shot selection (too often).
Loose handle (not what we envision a point guard to be).
Instead of leading by example in a game MU could not afford to lose, he absolutely set the tone for the DePaul game with his 2 fouls in the first 90 seconds. (Not what you expect from a 5th year Senior.)
Tonight, the pluses outweighed the minuses. On other nights, they have not. Hoping we can find an adequate replacement!
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on February 26, 2018, 08:22:25 PM
Rowsey hit some big shots tonite n i will forever love the kids stones. Yet he makes so many errors and turnovers on offense and takes some really poor shots. Alot of those big shots, if we just moved the ball better someone else could make the shots. I love the kid, but i think we can ultimately do better at the position, unfortunately the answer is not Howard either
Absolutely, putting all the eggs in the "Howard as PG" basket would be foolhardy, especially since he gets injured from time to time.
And thinking Elliott can become a PG will end up as "Cheatham as PG" 2.0.
Quote from: moneymac on February 26, 2018, 11:31:19 PM
Rowsey is easily the most entertaining player on this team. Sure, he takes some bad shots and forces things, but you cant deny we play so much better when he's playing well and getting others involved. The heart and fire he plays with will be sorely missed next year. He's always the one to bring us out of large slumps like tonight when GT went on a 21-3 run.
Second, I'm so sick of people acting like Markus Howard is less of a problem than Rowsey. He is the biggest ball hog, shot happy player on this team. I can't stand watching him play hero ball. This team needs either a grad transfer or Greg Ellliott to play PG next year or we're not going far. I love him to death, but he plays a very selfish style of basketball that benefits him, but won't translate into team success. The guy's hashtag on social media is #LeagueME for christ sake.
Could not agree more.
Badshot bad shot oh no what are thinking...oh great shot great shot atta boy rouse , gotta take some bad with all that good
He is our leader in star of the game count. We would probably be winless in Big East if he left mid-season like Haanif did.
Rowsey will be missed next year. Love his tenacity and competitiveness.
Quote from: lawdog77 on February 27, 2018, 06:59:26 AM
10 shots in 36 minutes.
No kidding. Man I don't know what game some people watch sometimes.
Quote from: 94Warrior on February 26, 2018, 11:53:01 PM
But, I'll say this,
Andrew is a very hot and cold player. He has been both frustrating and explosive.
He has won games for us and he has lost games for us.
Great shooter (can be streaky).
Can be a good passer (not often enough).
Horrible defender (all of the time).
Poor shot selection (too often).
Loose handle (not what we envision a point guard to be).
Agreed. And you could substitute Markus for Andrew.
Incredibly talented and explosive, but frustrating.
I can understand some frustration, but am baffled by the subject point.
Rowsey has swagger and moxy. He can drive me crazy with his fouling and his drives to nowhere, but I feel better when he is on the court than not. We will miss him next year, but everyone is replaceable to a degree. Count me as someone that appreciates what he did for Marquette in his time here.
Quote from: connie on February 27, 2018, 08:25:15 AM
I can understand some frustration, but am baffled by the subject point.
I think some of the Rowsey frustration stem from the fact that his errors are so easily identifiable, e.g., hero ball, chucking up a double-teamed three with 20 on the clock, etc., compared to the errors of other players, e.g., missing defensive assignments, not boxing out, etc.
Kid is a steely eyed missile man.
Andrew will be greatly missed next year. Think some underestimate his value to this team/program. He's Travis Diener 2.0.
I sometimes wonder if Andrew might claw his way onto an NBA roster. JJ Barea comes to mind as a comp. Think Andrew is a little better athlete than people give him credit for - very quick and skilled with the ball. Elite shooter. Defensive side of the ball would be the problem of course..
Rowsey is a lightning rod for 99% of the fan base. While he frustrates me at times, often a lot of times, he is an entertaining college ball player. Furthermore, when he is good, he is a really good college ball player. Not sure I will miss him in two weeks, but likely will next season. Have to admit, I like his swagger. There is no doubt in my mind that the swagger comes from the core of his being. Would not be surprised to see him be a big success in his next chapter.
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 03, 2018, 06:45:14 PM
Andrew will be greatly missed next year. Think some underestimate his value to this team/program. He's Travis Diener 2.0.
I sometimes wonder if Andrew might claw his way onto an NBA roster. JJ Barea comes to mind as a comp. Think Andrew is a little better athlete than people give him credit for - very quick and skilled with the ball. Elite shooter. Defensive side of the ball would be the problem of course..
In the NBA, you are who you can guard. He is 5'10 and not a natural PG. Other than that, he should be a shoo in for the league.
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 03, 2018, 06:45:14 PM
Andrew will be greatly missed next year. Think some underestimate his value to this team/program. He's Travis Diener 2.0.
I sometimes wonder if Andrew might claw his way onto an NBA roster. JJ Barea comes to mind as a comp. Think Andrew is a little better athlete than people give him credit for - very quick and skilled with the ball. Elite shooter. Defensive side of the ball would be the problem of course..
This will not happen. He is too small and too thin.
Good Offensive Rowsey will be missed. Defensive and Dribble/Chuck Rowsey not so much. I expect MU to take a step back on offense and a step forward on Defense next year. Whether he is missed depends on which side takes that bigger step.
I've been wrong before (especially about Buycks), but I don't think Rowsey can play in the NBA. Barea is very quick and is a willing defender, swoops in for steals and battles bigger players. It's just not who AR-30 is. I actually think Markus has a better chance to be a Barea type; at least he occasionally tries to get in somebody's way.
Having said that, I am thrilled that Wojo brought him on board. Contributed a lot to last year's NCAA tourney team, and we would have lost several more games without him this season.
As Goose said, for all of the frustrating things he does (and I think I swear at him a couple times every game - ha!), he is entertaining and tough and willing to take the big shot.
He will be missed.
Thankfully, this season is not over yet! Win a couple at MSG, then win a couple the following weekend!
We got this!!
Gonna miss that SOB. He had some real bonehead plays at times, but the majority of times he was the champion of "horrible shots" that went in.
That shot from the AL logo will definitely define his time at Marquette
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 03, 2018, 07:01:47 PM
That shot from the AL logo will definitely define his time at Marquette
Yep, as Rowsey told Bahe in an interview afterward: "It's just what I do."
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 03, 2018, 07:01:47 PM
Gonna miss that SOB. He had some real bonehead plays at times, but the majority of times he was the champion of "horrible shots" that went in.
That shot from the AL logo will definitely define his time at Marquette
Amen.
Can't wait to get rid of awesome memories like that. ::)
He could at times drive you nuts, but no other player produced so many fantastic moments. His shortcomings (no pun intended) have been discussed in Scoop ad nauseam but he was still a great asset and will be missed. Maybe my favorite AR moment was after his block vs. GT as he completely deadpanned it as if to say "I do that all the time.
He was a gamer.
It is worth repeateding yet again to bust down another Scoop myth: Drewski is the best MU offensive PG since Travis Diener. Orating, assist rate, turnover rate and eFG%.
He will not be replaced next year but Wojo needs to get close.
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 03, 2018, 06:45:14 PM
Andrew will be greatly missed next year. Think some underestimate his value to this team/program. He's Travis Diener 2.0.
I sometimes wonder if Andrew might claw his way onto an NBA roster. JJ Barea comes to mind as a comp. Think Andrew is a little better athlete than people give him credit for - very quick and skilled with the ball. Elite shooter. Defensive side of the ball would be the problem of course..
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Quote from: Eldon on March 03, 2018, 09:26:41 PM
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Pretty much confirmation that many in our fan base greatly undervalue Andrew. He and Travis are very similar and had similar senior seasons.
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on February 26, 2018, 08:22:25 PM
Rowsey hit some big shots tonite n i will forever love the kids stones. Yet he makes so many errors and turnovers on offense and takes some really poor shots. Alot of those big shots, if we just moved the ball better someone else could make the shots. I love the kid, but i think we can ultimately do better at the position, unfortunately the answer is not Howard either
Disagree. We were lucky to have Rowsey and will miss him next year.
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 03, 2018, 09:40:41 PM
Pretty much confirmation that many in our fan base greatly undervalue Andrew. He and Travis are very similar and had similar senior seasons.
Ners isn't wrong on the offensive end of the bad. Similar ppg, similar rpg, and almost the exact same eFG%. Rowdy gets the edge in scoring but Travis was a significantly better distributor and floor general. He has more assists and less turnovers....and I think if he was passing to as good of offensive players as Rowdy has to pass to, I think his numbers could have even been better.
03-04 Travis: 34.2 mpg, 18.8 ppg, 3.1 rpg, 6.0 apg, 1.3 spg, 0.0 bpg, 2.4 tpg, 52.8 eFG%
17-18 Rowdy: 31.7 mpg, 19.7 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 4.6 apg, 1.0 spg, 0.2 bpg, 2.7 tpg, 52.9 eFG%
The biggest difference I believe is on the defensive end. I don't have advanced stats going back that far, but if my memory is correct Travis was a much much better defender than Rowdy and that's what will keep Rowdy out of the Association IMHO. The 2 inches Diener has on Rowdy I'm sure doesn't hurt either.
We will absolutely miss Rowdy next season. To think otherwise is absurd. We'll just miss him on one end of the floor.
Rowsey's next year will be very interesting. He can go to Europe and make big money and "do what he does" or stay home and do G league and hope someone sees the JJ Barea in him.
All the other guys with his type game in the NBA are either 3 inches taller or better defenders or both.
Follow the money.
He's nowhere near as quick as Berea. Who's he going to guard?
Quote from: Floorslapper on March 03, 2018, 06:45:14 PM
Andrew will be greatly missed next year. Think some underestimate his value to this team/program. He's Travis Diener 2.0.
I sometimes wonder if Andrew might claw his way onto an NBA roster. JJ Barea comes to mind as a comp. Think Andrew is a little better athlete than people give him credit for - very quick and skilled with the ball. Elite shooter. Defensive side of the ball would be the problem of course..
Rowsey is actually a better shooter than Diener. His range is unlimited. Not as good a passer, 2 inches shorter. Neither were good defenders, Diener probably a little better. Don't see Rowsey in the NBA.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 04, 2018, 07:19:51 AM
Rowsey is actually a better shooter than Diener. His range is unlimited. Not as good a passer, 2 inches shorter. Neither were good defenders, Diener probably a little better. Don't see Rowsey in the NBA.
Diener had Wade and Novak to distribute to, this team just doesn't have those kind of options.
Quote from: Marqevans on March 04, 2018, 08:13:41 AM
Diener had Wade and Novak to distribute to, this team just doesn't have those kind of options.
Diener didn't have Wade his last two seasons. Rowsey has plenty of scoring options to distribute to.
Diener's senior year EFG% is within percentage points of Rowsey's and Diener was actually a better 3 point shooter - though not by much. And even though he had a lower usage than Rowsey does this year, Diener was still a 23 ppg scorer and had an assist rate of 53.3%. (!!!)
I mean I like Rowsey but Diener was the better college player.
Quote from: #bansultan on March 04, 2018, 08:52:02 AM
Diener didn't have Wade his last two seasons. Rowsey has plenty of scoring options to distribute to.
Diener's senior year EFG% is within percentage points of Rowsey's and Diener was actually a better 3 point shooter - though not by much. And even though he had a lower usage than Rowsey does this year, Diener was still a 23 ppg scorer and had an assist rate of 53.3%. (!!!)
I mean I like Rowsey but Diener was the better college player.
Diener averaged 19.7 ppg as a senior before he got hurt. He did average 23.2 per 40 mins.
Diener had one of the great 3-point shooters ever to pass to, but otherwise had role players and guys who didn't quite realize their potential (Mason, Amaroso).
Most importantly, don't ever forget that he had Niv Berkowitz to pass to!
Rowsey is one of my favorite MU players along with Damon Key, Davante Gardner and Aaron Hutchins. All had weaknesses but all had heart and soul.
Quote from: MU82 on March 04, 2018, 09:23:35 AM
Diener averaged 19.7 ppg as a senior before he got hurt. He did average 23.2 per 40 mins.
Diener had one of the great 3-point shooters ever to pass to, but otherwise had role players and guys who didn't quite realize their potential (Mason, Amaroso).
Most importantly, don't ever forget that he had Niv Berkowitz to pass to!
Thanks MU. I was scanning through the stats and obviously picked the wrong one.
Quote from: Marqevans on March 04, 2018, 08:13:41 AM
Diener had Wade and Novak to distribute to, this team just doesn't have those kind of options.
Diener has way more non-shooting skills than AR.
Just watching him play point at the Old-Timers game as part of last year's 100th anniversary celebration was eye-opening. Even with a bunch of old guys who had never actually played together, he distributed the ball brilliantly.
Quote from: warriorchick on March 04, 2018, 09:55:17 AM
Diener has way more non-shooting skills than AR.
Just watching him play point at the Old-Timers game as part of last year's 100th anniversary celebration was eye-opening. Even with a bunch of old guys who had never actually played together, he distributed the ball brilliantly.
I saw that game too and was really impressed with the pace that Diener moved the ball all over the floor.
Quote from: Marqevans on March 04, 2018, 08:13:41 AM
Diener had Wade and Novak to distribute to, this team just doesn't have those kind of options.
You didn't "distribute" to Dwyane Wade. You handed him the ball and got out of his way. Novak, yes. And for Rowsey, Hauser.
Quote from: patso on March 04, 2018, 09:24:32 AM
Rowsey is one of my favorite MU players along with Damon Key, Davante Gardner and Aaron Hutchins. All had weaknesses but all had heart and soul.
Wow. Great list. Four of my absolute favorites as well too.
Regarding Andrew vs Travis - Andrew is quicker than Travis, and I would say has a much better ability to create his own shot, than did Travis. Travis was a better defender. End of the day, think both Travis and Rowsey were underappreciated by some of our fans, and the fact we can have a legitimate debate about Rowsey vs Travis speaks to Andrew's talent.
Andrew will be greatly missed next year, despite whomever we might land in grad transfer market or incoming frosh.
Are there real a lot of MU fans who did not/do not appreciate Diener?
I was nowhere near Scoop when he played for MU (not even sure it existed), but it's hard to believe that very many people didn't appreciate him for the very good college player he was.
Quote from: MU82 on March 04, 2018, 10:39:55 AM
Are there real a lot of MU fans who did not/do not appreciate Diener?
I was nowhere near Scoop when he played for MU (not even sure it existed), but it's hard to believe that very many people didn't appreciate him for the very good college player he was.
One vociferous basketball alum called him a "dime a dozen PG".
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 04, 2018, 11:19:30 AM
One vociferous basketball alum called him a "dime a dozen PG".
That's maybe the dumbest comment I've ever seen, especially from a former Marquette player. Diener was a stud.
AR will be missed. Markus has a lot of the same strengths/flaws, but could learn a lot from Rowsey. Rowsey is a superior ball handler and is better at doing everything needed to get open. Both are poor defenders. Both can sure shoot. Watching St Mary's last night, I think Rowsey could fire 2 shots in the release time of the Gaels' guards
Quote from: AZMarqfan on March 04, 2018, 12:17:00 PM
AR will be missed. Markus has a lot of the same strengths/flaws, but could learn a lot from Rowsey. Rowsey is a superior ball handler and is better at doing everything needed to get open. Both are poor defenders. Both can sure shoot. Watching St Mary's last night, I think Rowsey could fire 2 shots in the release time of the Gaels' guards
The first of the 2 deep-deep-deep AR-30 treys, he was looking to pass, realized the clock was running out and it was almost as if he shrugged his shoulders and said, "What the hell" before launching it. As Bahe said, the incredible thing was that it didn't even look like it required effort, whereas that's usually a heave for most players. His second one was simply a cold-MF-blooded heat check. And he was still hot!
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on March 04, 2018, 11:19:30 AM
One vociferous basketball alum called him a "dime a dozen PG".
Who?
Was stewing about this topic because I was pissed off about it given all Rowsey's given us.
Went back to the post and noted the fact that the OP has 15 posts. I think it's a troll.
Unless it's Andrew himself wanting us all to support him (joke, I don't know how to make teal).
I thought about what I said about him in other posts and this topic. I remembered what I thought about a 5'10" (Ha!) traditional transfer from Asheville or wherever it was and what I expected out of him. He turned out to be the antithesis of Jamail Jones. I'm just not sure I can remember an MU player that exceeded my expectations more than this guy (Wade?) (Davante?).
The whole post title is a stupid, puerile, asinine insult.
One of the truly great shooters in Marquette history. And this year, Wojo has asked him to do other things too. While not perfect by any measure, he's taken the coaching, trusted his teammates, and led an incredibly young team to a .500 conference record and a certain post season berth. I hope he has a great last few weeks wearing the jersey.
We will miss his phenom offensive talent next year. He played with swagger, supported the team and was fun to watch. All the best to AR!
I also like his honesty.
When asked why he took the 35 footer from the Al logo. 'I was open.' Priceless.
"It's what I do."
Almost sad that this thread title has now become a place of people sharing their fond memories of Andrew. Perhaps it can be parsed and made into Andrew's Legacy thread..
One of my favorite memories of him was the first time I literally saw him on the court. I don't remember which game it was, but it was during his transfer sit-out year. He decided to get into it with one of the opposing players. You couldn't tell what he was saying, but he had stood up in his dress pants and V-neck sweater and began walking towards the player, mouth going the entire time, and a couple of our other guys had to hold him back. I remember thinking, "I'm going to like this guy. He's a scrapper."
Quote from: warriorchick on March 04, 2018, 09:10:34 PM
One of my favorite memories of him was the first time I literally saw him on the court. I don't remember which game it was, but it was during his transfer sit-out year. He decided to get into it with one of the opposing players. You couldn't tell what he was saying, but he had stood up in his dress pants and V-neck sweater and began walking towards the player, mouth going the entire time, and a couple of our other guys had to hold him back. I remember thinking, "I'm going to like this guy. He's a scrapper."
I believe it was LSU?
I thought Rowsey was a team manager.
Quote from: warriorchick on March 04, 2018, 09:10:34 PM
One of my favorite memories of him was the first time I literally saw him on the court. I don't remember which game it was, but it was during his transfer sit-out year. He decided to get into it with one of the opposing players. You couldn't tell what he was saying, but he had stood up in his dress pants and V-neck sweater and began walking towards the player, mouth going the entire time, and a couple of our other guys had to hold him back. I remember thinking, "I'm going to like this guy. He's a scrapper."
I believe the player in question was Ben Simmons. To add to the story, Rowsey could not travel with the team so he had to buy his own plane ticket. Rowsey paid money to fly to New York just to trash talk Ben Simmons.
Quote from: Lazar's Punk'd Headband on March 04, 2018, 09:16:46 PM
I believe the player in question was Ben Simmons. To add to the story, Rowsey could not travel with the team so he had to buy his own plane ticket. Rowsey paid money to fly to New York just to trash talk Ben Simmons.
That's awesome.
Rowsey was standing up for Henry Ellenson, who was called for a charge on a pretty clear flop by Simmons. Watching 5'10" Rowsey in street clothes jaw jacking with 6'9" future #1 overall pick Simmons was awesome. Kid has always had stones.
I'm not recalling that. Spectacular. Somebody find and post that clip.
Quote from: jsglow on March 04, 2018, 09:24:45 PM
I'm not recalling that. Spectacular. Somebody find and post that clip.
I think your going to have to find a VOD of the game, only thing out there is a bunch of chatter about it, no clip.
Quote from: patso on March 04, 2018, 09:24:32 AM
Rowsey is one of my favorite MU players along with Damon Key, Davante Gardner and Aaron Hutchins. All had weaknesses but all had heart and soul.
couldn't agree more...
The way I remember it nobody had to hold him back. Dorris Burke was on the call and thought Rowsey was a team manager. She said a team manager was talking to Simmons, but it was really Rowsey.
During his year out, I remember being told by several former players that he was the best player every day at practice. There is no doubt in my mind that the kid was born to play ball. IMO, if he was piece of a really good team, he would have been a big time fan favorite. He was forced, and he forced himself too much, to be have endeared himself to everyone. Like I have said for two years, the good Rowsey is a lot of fun to watch.
Here's a bit of the old Twitter exchange. That moment was absolutely iconic for me in this kid's story:
(http://www.brewcityball.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1007&d=1520233227)
The "3:51" on the bottom of his shoe...
What's the significance? I can't recall this being mentioned, but my apologies if there is a 12 page thread on this elsewhere.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 05, 2018, 01:03:25 AM
Here's a bit of the old Twitter exchange. That moment was absolutely iconic for me in this kid's story:
http://www.brewcityball.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=1007&d=1520233227
Brew must have been called away before he could proofread his post.
I fixed it for you, but the link still doesn't seem to work. :-\
Quote from: MU B2002 on March 05, 2018, 08:56:34 AM
The "3:51" on the bottom of his shoe...
What's the significance? I can't recall this being mentioned, but my apologies if there is a 12 page thread on this elsewhere.
3:51 is a Jordan shoe line from Nike.
Take a look at the clock in the background on Jordan's dunk from the FT line.
(https://cdn5.kicksonfire.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/Air-Jordan-3-All-Star-Dunk-Series-White-Cement-923096-101.jpg?x76107)
Jordan's foot actually was on the FT line when he took off.
Reports that he leapt from behind the line ... fake news!
His whole career was a sham!!!!
To the left of 3:51 is an advertisement for Polaroid. What is that???
Thanks.
Quote from: jsglow on March 04, 2018, 09:24:45 PM
I'm not recalling that. Spectacular. Somebody find and post that clip.
I was there and saw it. Al would have been proud.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 05, 2018, 10:54:20 AM
I was there and saw it. Al would have been proud.
You were also at the moon landing. Commented on Armstrong's bad body language as he stepped on the surface.
Quote from: TSmith34 on March 05, 2018, 11:05:18 AM
You were also at the moon landing. Commented on Armstrong's bad body language as he stepped on the surface.
But he also commented on Armstrong's great neck.
Quote from: Hagan-house 84 on March 05, 2018, 11:24:45 AM
But he also commented on Armstrong's great neck.
Yeah and POTUS demotivating Armstrong
Quote from: Tugg Speedman on March 05, 2018, 09:14:16 AM
To the left of 3:51 is an advertisement for Polaroid. What is that???
You know, Polaroid, it's like a thing. Like your Xerox machine and Kodak film for your camera.
Write der wit typewriters and sliderules, hey?
Quote from: leever on March 05, 2018, 02:28:03 PM
You know, Polaroid, it's like a thing. Like your Xerox machine and Kodak film for your camera.
And those phone booths...
Quote from: TSmith34 on March 05, 2018, 11:05:18 AM
You were also at the moon landing. Commented on Armstrong's bad body language as he stepped on the surface.
LOL!
Nice article on Andrew, with a nice quote from Mack. One tidbit mentioned here is he broke the BE record for FT%.
http://www.roanoke.com/sports/colleges/rockbridge-county-grad-andrew-rowsey-still-proving-them-wrong-at/article_a9abb79a-a1fb-521f-8c06-9b090fde38d0.html
Is MUJersey still around? He's been awfully quiet since Andy went off for 26, 8 and 8 and was named BEast player of the week.
Quote from: Herman Cain on March 05, 2018, 10:54:20 AM
I was there and saw it. Al would have been proud.
You are right about that. However, had Rowsey played for Al, there is no doubt that at some point in time, they would throw hands. And Al would have kicked his ass, and afterwards gave him a hug and shout out.
Quote from: Hagan-house 84 on March 06, 2018, 08:29:23 AM
Is MUJersey still around? He's been awfully quiet since Andy went off for 26, 8 and 8 and was named BEast player of the week.
Crow poisoning I heard
He's just the worst
This post has not aged well
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 07, 2018, 09:39:14 PM
This post has not aged well
Do you even watch the games? Seems like a pretty significant portion of your commentary has nothing to do with basketball.
Quote from: skianth16 on March 07, 2018, 09:47:47 PM
Do you even watch the games? Seems like a pretty significant portion of your commentary has nothing to do with basketball.
Nope.
But I see you're back to complaining
Quote from: skianth16 on March 07, 2018, 09:47:47 PM
Do you even watch the games? Seems like a pretty significant portion of your commentary has nothing to do with basketball.
This is bizarrely contrary.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 07, 2018, 09:55:38 PM
Nope.
But I see you're back to complaining
And you still have nothing to say about MU hoops.
Quote from: skianth16 on March 07, 2018, 10:13:16 PM
And you still have nothing to say about MU hoops.
And yet, my commentary is still better than incessant whining.
It is what it is.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 07, 2018, 10:20:34 PM
And yet, my commentary is still better than incessant whining.
It is what it is.
Read through my history. Very little whining. Maybe 3%-5% whining, but not much.
Quote from: skianth16 on March 07, 2018, 10:41:40 PM
Read through my history. Very little whining. Maybe 3%-5% whining, but not much.
% no matta is ewh% that matters