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Title: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: muguru on February 13, 2018, 07:51:02 PM
Georgetown has improved by leaps and bounds...knocked off Seton hall last Saturday and tonight won AT Butler...We all know what SJU has done lately, and even DePaul won by 18 AT Providence this last week..based on the eye test(the way teams have been playing), sadly, I think it's hard to argue that MU just might well be the worst team in the BE right now.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: wadesworld on February 13, 2018, 07:51:26 PM
No.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: muguru on February 13, 2018, 07:57:37 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on February 13, 2018, 07:51:26 PM
No.

LOL Great analysis, at least I layed out a case for why they may well be.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: wadesworld on February 13, 2018, 08:03:17 PM
Quote from: muguru on February 13, 2018, 07:57:37 PM
LOL Great analysis, at least I layed out a case for why they may well be.

Something that takes simple common sense doesn't need any analysis.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: BM1090 on February 13, 2018, 08:10:35 PM
Quote from: muguru on February 13, 2018, 07:51:02 PM
Georgetown has improved by leaps and bounds...knocked off Seton hall last Saturday and tonight won AT Butler...We all know what SJU has done lately, and even DePaul won by 18 AT Providence this last week..based on the eye test(the way teams have been playing), sadly, I think it's hard to argue that MU just might well be the worst team in the BE right now.

We just won at Seton Hall. 2 games ago.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: Eldon on February 13, 2018, 08:19:47 PM
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on February 13, 2018, 08:10:35 PM
We just won at Seton Hall. 2 games ago.

Yeah man.  Sounds to me like Seton Hall is the worst.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: Pakuni on February 13, 2018, 08:33:18 PM
Is that currently the worst post on Scoop?
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: cheese ball chaser on February 13, 2018, 08:35:38 PM
Here we go
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: Marquette2022 on February 13, 2018, 08:48:29 PM
You have got to be kidding me!
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: Sir Lawrence on February 13, 2018, 08:52:58 PM
Creighton only scored 45 points against Bemidji State in the first half.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: Bad_Reporter on February 13, 2018, 08:53:25 PM
Guru,  get where you're coming from unlike others.


I'd still think DePaul is the bottom, with MU battling Georgetown for number 9 as of now.  St J has been on a terror lately.

Earlier in the season I definitely wouldn't think this would be a topic, but the team has slid really bad lately.  Other then seton hall, and a depleted providence team, we really don't have a good resume in the slightest.

Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: wadesworld on February 13, 2018, 08:58:26 PM
"If you take away MU's wins against Seton Hall and don't count MU's win against Providence and home wins for MU against bottom feeders don't count then MU is the worst team in the BE."

Yup. Nailed it.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 13, 2018, 09:14:07 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on February 13, 2018, 08:58:26 PM
"If you take away MU's wins against Seton Hall and don't count MU's win against Providence and home wins for MU against bottom feeders don't count then MU is the worst team in the BE."

Yup. Nailed it.

Technically this shouldn't be in quotes
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: MU86NC on February 13, 2018, 09:18:57 PM
Ouch.... what a painful topic.  I think it's still TBD....
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on February 13, 2018, 09:22:08 PM
I think the argument can be made that the teams on the bottom have gotten better as the season has marched on,  not sure that MU has.  I fully expect to lose at GTown, at SJu, n at depaul.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: jesmu84 on February 13, 2018, 09:31:18 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on February 13, 2018, 08:58:26 PM
"If you take away MU's wins against Seton Hall and don't count MU's win against Providence and home wins for MU against bottom feeders don't count then MU is the worst team in the BE."

Yup. Nailed it.

Yup.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: MU82 on February 13, 2018, 09:31:21 PM
This post is silly.

Obviously, MU is currently the worst team in the entire country (including Divisions II and III and IV and V), so of course they're the worst in the BE!

And do notice that I called them there losers "they." If we were winning, I'd say "we"!

Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: Newsdreams on February 13, 2018, 10:15:05 PM
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on February 13, 2018, 09:22:08 PM
I think the argument can be made that the teams on the bottom have gotten better as the season has marched on,  not sure that MU has.  I fully expect to lose at GTown, at SJu, n at depaul.
Well yes we already lost at SJ
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: The Lens on February 13, 2018, 11:31:31 PM
Our

WE BEAT

SETON HALL

TWICE


banner is going to be awesome. 
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: mileskishnish72 on February 14, 2018, 05:50:58 AM
Well, the problem is, it seems we are very much in the discussion.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: wadesworld on February 14, 2018, 06:34:25 AM
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on February 14, 2018, 05:50:58 AM
Well, the problem is, it seems we are very much in the discussion.

We could lose out and still not even finish tied for last in the Big East. How that equates to being in the discussion for the worst team in the Big East is beyond me, but sure!
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: Anti-Dentite on February 14, 2018, 06:45:07 AM
Quote from: wadesworld on February 14, 2018, 06:34:25 AM
We could lose out and still not even finish tied for last in the Big East. How that equates to being in the discussion for the worst team in the Big East is beyond me, but sure!
Currently....not taking the whole season into account and currently MU is one of, if not the worst team on the BE. Hoping this isn't the case after the next 5 games.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: WindyCityGoldenEagle on February 14, 2018, 06:49:58 AM
Quote from: wadesworld on February 14, 2018, 06:34:25 AM
We could lose out and still not even finish tied for last in the Big East. How that equates to being in the discussion for the worst team in the Big East is beyond me, but sure!

Huh? Not sure what standings you're looking at but we're 3 games up on last place SJ with 5 to play. My math isn't the best but it's certainly a possibility we finish in last place.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: muguru on February 14, 2018, 06:58:27 AM
Quote from: wadesworld on February 14, 2018, 06:34:25 AM
We could lose out and still not even finish tied for last in the Big East. How that equates to being in the discussion for the worst team in the Big East is beyond me, but sure!

You must have missed what I said...what I asked was is MU CURRENTLY the worst team in the Big East(ie, who has played worse recently). That's not to say they will finish as the worst team(standings wise), but as far as right now, February 14th, I think a case been be made that at this MOMENT, they ARE currently the worst team in the Big East.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: GGGG on February 14, 2018, 07:19:01 AM
Quote from: muguru on February 14, 2018, 06:58:27 AM
You must have missed what I said...what I asked was is MU CURRENTLY the worst team in the Big East(ie, who has played worse recently). That's not to say they will finish as the worst team(standings wise), but as far as right now, February 14th, I think a case been be made that at this MOMENT, they ARE currently the worst team in the Big East.


Maybe they are "currently" the worst team in the BE.  I'm not sure how relevant that is because next week it could change.  Or it might not. 

This is just another exercise in the same frustrations mentioned in about 50 other topics here.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: CTWarrior on February 14, 2018, 07:28:29 AM
I don't know how to respond to this, but there is something to the opening post.  If I were a betting man, and all games were pick 'em, on a neutral floor DePaul is the only team I'd bet on us against.  Maybe Seton Hall, since they do not do the things that have bothered us this season.  SJU and Georgetown would be too close to call.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: mu_hilltopper on February 14, 2018, 07:52:15 AM
It doesn't matter if MU is "the worst" team in the BE. 

I very much doubt when Wojo was hired that in year 4 of his 5 year plan was to perform at a level where anyone would discuss whether MU is the worst team in the Big East.

Or maybe it was and year 5 was "win the national championship" and MU was like, wow, that's a great comeback story, you're hired, and let's all have a sack of Beef n Cheddars to celebrate.

This is why Arby's is doing so well.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: 🏀 on February 14, 2018, 08:11:02 AM
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on February 14, 2018, 07:52:15 AM
It doesn't matter if MU is "the worst" team in the BE. 

I very much doubt when Wojo was hired that in year 4 of his 5 year plan was to perform at a level where anyone would discuss whether MU is the worst team in the Big East.

Or maybe it was and year 5 was "win the national championship" and MU was like, wow, that's a great comeback story, you're hired, and let's all have a sack of Beef n Cheddars to celebrate.

This is why Arby's is doing so well.

Reality is a wicked mistress, why live any longer?

Eat at Arby's.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: Floorslapper on February 14, 2018, 08:21:04 AM
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on February 14, 2018, 07:52:15 AM
It doesn't matter if MU is "the worst" team in the BE. 

I very much doubt when Wojo was hired that in year 4 of his 5 year plan was to perform at a level where anyone would discuss whether MU is the worst team in the Big East.

Or maybe it was and year 5 was "win the national championship" and MU was like, wow, that's a great comeback story, you're hired, and let's all have a sack of Beef n Cheddars to celebrate.

This is why Arby's is doing so well.

Well said.  Also recall reading here how much of a train wreck GTown was going to be this year, especially with Ewing as head coach.  Welp.  Looks like year 1 of the Ewing regime is right on schedule with year 4 of ours.

Cunzo Martin has Mizzou at 36 in Year 1, coming off their 156th ranking last season.  Turned Cal around quite nicely too.

Fair to say if next year is an NCAA miss, the natives will have every reason to be restless.

#powerpointmattas
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: The Lens on February 14, 2018, 08:21:33 AM
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on February 14, 2018, 07:52:15 AM

Or maybe it was and year 5 was "win the national championship" and MU was like, wow, that's a great comeback story, you're hired, and let's all have a sack of Beef n Cheddars to celebrate.


Yes.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: muguru on February 14, 2018, 08:32:06 AM
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on February 14, 2018, 07:52:15 AM
It doesn't matter if MU is "the worst" team in the BE. 

I very much doubt when Wojo was hired that in year 4 of his 5 year plan was to perform at a level where anyone would discuss whether MU is the worst team in the Big East.

Or maybe it was and year 5 was "win the national championship" and MU was like, wow, that's a great comeback story, you're hired, and let's all have a sack of Beef n Cheddars to celebrate.



This is why Arby's is doing so well.
You nailed it, there should NEVER EVER be a time when MU can even be discussed as the worst team in conference at any time. Yet, people keep giving Wojo so much slack..look around the country, there are enough examples of Coaches that have turned around programs in a year, some are cited above..Yet, it's okay that MU is where they are 4 years in?? I don't get it.

Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: GGGG on February 14, 2018, 08:43:44 AM
Here's why people are giving Wojo slack:

1. It's a young team and there is reason for optimism

2. Doing the torches and pitchforks thing on a message board doesn't really matter.  He's not going anywhere. 

As I have said, the jury is obviously out.  Next year is the key for me.  If there isn't significant progress, I will be ordering my tiki torch from Amazon and joining the unruly mob.  Until then, it's not worth the energy.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on February 14, 2018, 08:49:34 AM
Quote from: #bansultan on February 14, 2018, 08:43:44 AM
Here's why people are giving Wojo slack:

It's interesting...I actually see more common ground than dissent over the last two weeks.  To sum up - not many 'buying' or super encouraged with Wojo right now, but most are also not ready to 'sell'.

Unfortunately we are heading toward a shoulder shrug kind of situation.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: lawdog77 on February 14, 2018, 09:02:51 AM
I am an optimist, so here is what I see. The flu bug hit us hard (this is bad for recruiting). If we are healthy now, we can run the table in the regular season. If so, can we.finish 3rd in the conference?
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: Aughnanure on February 14, 2018, 09:06:20 AM
Quote from: Floorslapper on February 14, 2018, 08:21:04 AM

Fair to say if next year is an NCAA miss, the natives will have every reason to be restless.


Restless? Barring massive injury issues, if Marquette misses out on the tourney next year Wojo should be absolutely gone.

I'm worried that if we are on the bubble throughout the year and just get to the tourney, the administration will force itself to give another contract extension.  There there should be considerable pressure on Wojo if we are just on the favorable side of the bubble. No reason we should not be a top 20-30 team next year if our coach is someone worth keeping around.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on February 14, 2018, 09:22:29 AM
Quote from: muguru on February 13, 2018, 07:51:02 PM
Georgetown has improved by leaps and bounds...knocked off Seton hall last Saturday and tonight won AT Butler...We all know what SJU has done lately, and even DePaul won by 18 AT Providence this last week..based on the eye test(the way teams have been playing), sadly, I think it's hard to argue that MU just might well be the worst team in the BE right now.

I just returned from a walk in the French Quarter.  On my walk I met an owner friend of a bar who saw the gold Marquette Warrior t-shirt I was wearing.  He said that he remembered when Marquette had good top ten basketball teams in the seventies.  Then he said, whatever happened to them? Do they still play?

That really hurt.  Why is it so hard for us to field a top ten team again?
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: skianth16 on February 14, 2018, 09:26:27 AM
Quote from: muguru on February 14, 2018, 08:32:06 AM
You nailed it, there should NEVER EVER be a time when MU can even be discussed as the worst team in conference at any time. Yet, people keep giving Wojo so much slack..look around the country, there are enough examples of Coaches that have turned around programs in a year, some are cited above..Yet, it's okay that MU is where they are 4 years in?? I don't get it.

Wojo still has a lot to figure out to be considered a good coach. Can people point to sign of him being promising? Probably. But promising is not the same as good, although it seems many people here would disagree with that.

I'd also point out that a lot of the more patient Wojo apologist types do genuinely seem to appreciate the different style of program he runs compared to Buzz. It does seem like the administration wanted a squeaky clean guy, and given the trade-off between a "just win" mentality, and a "trust the process" mentality, I assume they're fine missing a few post-seasons as long as they stay out of the news. The real question about that, though, is whether bad press hurts the donation train more than a disappointing basketball season.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: skianth16 on February 14, 2018, 09:34:09 AM
Quote from: #bansultan on February 14, 2018, 08:43:44 AM
Here's why people are giving Wojo slack:

1. It's a young team and there is reason for optimism

2. Doing the torches and pitchforks thing on a message board doesn't really matter.  He's not going anywhere. 

As I have said, the jury is obviously out.  Next year is the key for me.  If there isn't significant progress, I will be ordering my tiki torch from Amazon and joining the unruly mob.  Until then, it's not worth the energy.

Doing the constant brown-nosing thing on a message board doesn't really matter either. Any overly optimistic or even naively positive comments or threads don't encourage the powers-that-be to keep him any longer.

I think everyone on Scoop is very aware that our opinions about Wojo, pick and roll defense, or playing time don't matter to anyone. The point of the message board is to talk about something we all care about and enjoy, not to change anything that happens on the floor. Saying an opinion doesn't matter because it won't change the admin's opinion or change what happens in a game is just a lazy way of disagreeing with a post and not offering a counter-point. 
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: NickelDimer on February 14, 2018, 09:41:43 AM
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on February 14, 2018, 09:22:29 AM
I just returned from a walk in the French Quarter.  On my walk I met an owner friend of a bar who saw the gold Marquette Warrior t-shirt I was wearing.  He said that he remembered when Marquette had good top ten basketball teams in the seventies.  Then he said, whatever happened to them? Do they still play?

That really hurt.  Why is it so hard for us to field a top ten team again?
This says more about how out of touch with College basketball he is than Marquette's relevance. He probably hasn't watched college basketball since the 70's
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on February 14, 2018, 09:42:31 AM
Quote from: Floorslapper on February 14, 2018, 08:21:04 AM
Well said.  Also recall reading here how much of a train wreck GTown was going to be this year, especially with Ewing as head coach.  Welp.  Looks like year 1 of the Ewing regime is right on schedule with year 4 of ours.

Cunzo Martin has Mizzou at 36 in Year 1, coming off their 156th ranking last season.  Turned Cal around quite nicely too.

Fair to say if next year is an NCAA miss, the natives will have every reason to be restless.

#powerpointmattas
There is a whole lot wrong with comparing what Georgetown has done this year with what Marquettehas done, at least in terms of their records. Are you using something other than W-L to compare the two?
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: MU86NC on February 14, 2018, 09:49:24 AM
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 14, 2018, 09:42:31 AM
There is a whole lot wrong with comparing what Georgetown has done this year with what Marquettehas done, at least in terms of their records. Are you using something other than W-L to compare the two?
At the end of the day what else really matters...
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: Marquette4life on February 14, 2018, 09:50:39 AM
Quote from: MU86NC on February 14, 2018, 09:49:24 AM
At the end of the day what else really matters...
are you serious?
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: Goose on February 14, 2018, 09:53:44 AM
sultan

Torches and pitchforks? I would say that is over the top comment. I think some, me included, are frustrated, but far from bashing Wojo. I would even say that he is getting handled with kid gloves from most on here. Only one time in my life did I want an MU team/coach not succeed and that was Dukiet's last season. I am 100% behind Wojo, but expect far better success than has been seen to date.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: NickelDimer on February 14, 2018, 09:57:32 AM
Four years in is a significant sample to evaluate a coach. I don't have much confidence that Wojo is the long term answer and I know I'm not alone. That being said I think the overwhelming majority of those that feel that way also agree wholeheartedly that Wojo needs to be the coach next year
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: GGGG on February 14, 2018, 09:58:23 AM
Quote from: skianth16 on February 14, 2018, 09:34:09 AM
Doing the constant brown-nosing thing on a message board doesn't really matter either. Any overly optimistic or even naively positive comments or threads don't encourage the powers-that-be to keep him any longer.

Brown nosing?  Why would I have a need to brown nose him?

Yeah and I'm sure the power that be are monitoring Scoop daily to get our hot taeks on Wojo.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: Goose on February 14, 2018, 10:00:38 AM
sultan

You are a homer, nothing wrong with that. Would not call you a brown nose, but you bleed the MU colors.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 14, 2018, 10:06:37 AM
Quote from: MU86NC on February 14, 2018, 09:49:24 AM
At the end of the day what else really matters...

Jesus how can someone be so naive. Please tell me why we didn't make the tournament in 2015-16 if Win count is the only thing that matters. Better yet tell me why all the conferences that have teams with win totals in the low to mid 20s don't get more bids when there's teams making the tournament with 18 and 19 wins
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: MU82 on February 14, 2018, 10:07:28 AM
I never thought I would take my own life, but with Marquette now unquestionably the worst team in college basketball history, life isn't worth living any more.

So good-bye to all. It's been fun.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: mu_hilltopper on February 14, 2018, 10:15:50 AM
Quote from: MU82 on February 14, 2018, 10:07:28 AM
I never thought I would take my own life, but with Marquette now unquestionably the worst team in college basketball history, life isn't worth living any more.

So good-bye to all. It's been fun.

That's the spirit!  Eat Arby's.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: BM1090 on February 14, 2018, 10:16:43 AM
Okay it's been bothering me for like 3 weeks. What is the deal with all the Arby's jokes and comments?
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: MUBBau on February 14, 2018, 10:18:15 AM
Currently, St. John's is the best team in the Big East. No argument can be made otherwise.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: GGGG on February 14, 2018, 10:26:39 AM
Quote from: Goose on February 14, 2018, 10:00:38 AM
sultan

You are a homer, nothing wrong with that. Would not call you a brown nose, but you bleed the MU colors.


Yeah and I am optimistic by nature.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: Goose on February 14, 2018, 10:32:28 AM
sultan

That is good thing.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: MUfan12 on February 14, 2018, 10:43:43 AM
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on February 14, 2018, 10:16:43 AM
Okay it's been bothering me for like 3 weeks. What is the deal with all the Arby's jokes and comments?

https://twitter.com/nihilist_arbys
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: StillAWarrior on February 14, 2018, 10:43:58 AM
My take on why this isn't a completely ridiculous topic:  a month ago, I would have been fairly confident that Marquette would go 3-0 in the coming stretch vs. St. John's, @DePaul and @Georgetown.  I'm not particularly confident now.  I hope we do.  I think we can.  But I'd be lying if I didn't admit that I'm a little worried.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: Floorslapper on February 14, 2018, 11:23:15 AM
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 14, 2018, 09:42:31 AM
There is a whole lot wrong with comparing what Georgetown has done this year with what Marquettehas done, at least in terms of their records. Are you using something other than W-L to compare the two?

No.  Was comparing based on overall and conference record.  Why do you feel there is a whole lot wrong with comparing records?
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on February 14, 2018, 11:24:42 AM
Quote from: Floorslapper on February 14, 2018, 11:23:15 AM
No.  Was comparing based on overall and conference record.  Why do you feel there is a whole lot wrong with comparing records?
Look at who they played in non-con vs who we played.  Look at non-con SOS. 
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: Floorslapper on February 14, 2018, 11:31:03 AM
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 14, 2018, 11:24:42 AM
Look at who they played in non-con vs who we played.  Look at non-con SOS.

Yes.  Our schedule was more difficult, yet we didn't exactly win any games against strong non-con opposition.  LSU would rank as best win in that slate.  End of the day we are performing the same as GTown in our own conference, and they have the highest quality win in the sense of beating Butler on the road.

All of this said, I'm by no means in the camp, nor are most here, of the belief that we move on from Wojo after this year (even if we finish out the year say 1-4 in the remainder of conference games.)  Next year is the rubber meets road year without question.

I did expect better this year, however.  Felt we would be an NCAA caliber team on par with last year's team.  Looks like that will take a 4-1 and one win in BET tourney to match last year's team - and I don't think we will achieve this result.  My guess is 2-3 finish from here on out.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: skianth16 on February 14, 2018, 11:39:59 AM
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 14, 2018, 11:24:42 AM
Look at who they played in non-con vs who we played.  Look at non-con SOS.

Look at our non-con wins, though. We only got 1 win worth anything (maybe 2, maybe) out of our schedule. That, and our non-con SOS at 165 isn't exactly anything to boast about.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: frozena pizza on February 14, 2018, 11:44:02 AM
Quote from: The Deane Team on February 14, 2018, 10:18:15 AM
Currently, St. John's is the best team in the Big East. No argument can be made otherwise.

Xavier would like a word with you.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 14, 2018, 11:44:53 AM
Quote from: Floorslapper on February 14, 2018, 11:23:15 AM
No.  Was comparing based on overall and conference record.  Why do you feel there is a whole lot wrong with comparing records?

lol. 

Quote from: Floorslapper on February 14, 2018, 11:31:03 AM
Yes.  Our schedule was more difficult, yet we didn't exactly win any games against strong non-con opposition.  LSU would rank as best win in that slate.  End of the day we are performing the same as GTown in our own conference, and they have the highest quality win in the sense of beating Butler on the road.

Not really.  Georgetown has only played Nova and X once each.  They have 2 damn near guaranteed losses left on the schedule.  Plus theyre 5-9, not 5-8. 

again, context is important. 
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: skianth16 on February 14, 2018, 11:45:41 AM
Quote from: Floorslapper on February 14, 2018, 11:31:03 AM
Yes.  Our schedule was more difficult, yet we didn't exactly win any games against strong non-con opposition.  LSU would rank as best win in that slate. 

Our best win was actually against Vermont, who is a top 50 RPI team. LSU is in the mid-80s.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: MUBBau on February 14, 2018, 11:45:50 AM
Quote from: frozena pizza on February 14, 2018, 11:44:02 AM
Xavier would like a word with you.

There's no time for logic and facts, this is a message board!
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: Floorslapper on February 14, 2018, 11:58:39 AM
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 14, 2018, 11:44:53 AM
lol. 

Not really.  Georgetown has only played Nova and X once each.  They have 2 damn near guaranteed losses left on the schedule.  Plus theyre 5-9, not 5-8. 

again, context is important.

Sure - And we haven't played Creighton yet.  Pretty sure most here never would have thought it would even be possible that we could finish roughly tied/near tied with Georgetown.  Think we will beat GTown at GTown?
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on February 14, 2018, 12:02:57 PM
Quote from: Floorslapper on February 14, 2018, 11:58:39 AM
Sure - And we haven't played Creighton yet.  Pretty sure most here never would have thought it would even be possible that we could finish roughly tied/near tied with Georgetown.  Think we will beat GTown at GTown?

Creighton is nowhere near as good as X and Nova. 

I think at Georgetown is a game we certainly can win.  Wouldn't be shocked if we lost.  I do think we're a better team that Gtown, but Govan and Derrickson are very good.  Shut down at least 1 like we did in Milwaukee, and I think we take care of them. 

I do think we'll finish safely ahead of Gtown in the standings.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: dinger on February 14, 2018, 12:17:02 PM
Long time lurker here just checking in to say that this thread got me to go to Arby's for lunch. There are no winners.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: barfolomew on February 14, 2018, 01:13:17 PM
Quote from: dinger on February 14, 2018, 12:17:02 PM
Long time lurker here just checking in to say that this thread got me to go to Arby's for lunch. There are no winners.

Don't blame the thread for that when you could easily blame Wojo.
Or else give him a pass this time, but if by next year he doesn't have you going to Panera for lunch, he should be gone.

Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: The Lens on February 14, 2018, 01:25:02 PM
We picked a bad time to have a BYE.

This week is turning into PEAK Scoop.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: #UnleashSean on February 14, 2018, 02:10:34 PM
Quote from: The Lens on February 14, 2018, 01:25:02 PM
We picked a bad time to have a BYE.

This week is turning into PEAK Scoop.

Wait till the off season if we lose game one NIT at the AL.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: GB Warrior on February 14, 2018, 02:13:19 PM
Quote from: muguru on February 13, 2018, 07:51:02 PM
Georgetown has improved by leaps and bounds...knocked off Seton hall last Saturday and tonight won AT Butler...We all know what SJU has done lately, and even DePaul won by 18 AT Providence this last week..based on the eye test(the way teams have been playing), sadly, I think it's hard to argue that MU just might well be the worst team in the BE right now.

It is hard to argue, especially when they are not the worst team in the Big East by any objective measure.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on February 14, 2018, 02:22:17 PM
Ewing has Georgetown doing slightly better than I expected. I had them as the 94th best team in the nation going into the season and KenPom puts them at 85th at the moment. They've had a nice two game stretch but let's not forget that before that they lost 6 of 7 including a home game to DePaul. It could be that they have turned a corner but I think they are still the same team they were when we played them. I'm more concerned if we are still the same team from the beginning of conference play.

If people are wondering why I'm not up in arms about Marquette's season its because preseason I pegged them as the 45th best team in the nation. KenPom currently has us at 50th. Being behind 5 spots is not something I will get worked up over. If we trend down more, I will be concerned. I know not all fans think that way but that's how I see it.

To whoever said Cuonzo turned Cal around quickly....lol. Cuonzo destroyed that program. He inherited a team that had gone to the NIT a year before and he left it as a team that is currently ranked #228 in KenPom. In between he had one NCAA appearance and an NIT appearance.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: GGGG on February 14, 2018, 02:26:07 PM
And the one NCAA appearance was with two freshman McDAAs where they promptly lost in the first round to Hawaii.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: MU82 on February 14, 2018, 02:46:06 PM
Quote from: GB Warrior on February 14, 2018, 02:13:19 PM
It is hard to argue, especially when they are not the worst team in the Big East by any objective measure.

Just because we beat Seton Hall twice, including at their place only a week ago, you're trying to claim that we're not the worst team ever to step on a Big East court?

C'mon! Get with the program!
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: muguru on February 14, 2018, 02:57:43 PM
Quote from: MU82 on February 14, 2018, 02:46:06 PM
Just because we beat Seton Hall twice, including at their place only a week ago, you're trying to claim that we're not the worst team ever to step on a Big East court?

C'mon! Get with the program!

Knock it off with your hyperbole. I NEVER once said they were the worst team ever..all I said was a case CAN be made that as of February 14th, they MIGHT be the worst team in the Big East currently. Can you find me one that is currently playing worse?? I'll hang up and listen for your response.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: Its DJOver on February 14, 2018, 03:01:44 PM
Quote from: muguru on February 14, 2018, 02:57:43 PM
Knock it off with your hyperbole. I NEVER once said they were the worst team ever..all I said was a case CAN be made that as of February 14th, they MIGHT be the worst team in the Big East currently. Can you find me one that is currently playing worse?? I'll hang up and listen for your response.
I think Seton Halls three game losing streak, including two loses to teams currently in the bottom half of the BEast is worse than our current 1-1 road trip
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: jesmu84 on February 14, 2018, 04:11:40 PM
Quote from: muguru on February 14, 2018, 02:57:43 PM
Knock it off with your hyperbole. I NEVER once said they were the worst team ever..all I said was a case CAN be made that as of February 14th, they MIGHT be the worst team in the Big East currently. Can you find me one that is currently playing worse?? I'll hang up and listen for your response.

So what is your point?

Lot of vague discussion here with no substance.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: Class71 on February 14, 2018, 05:18:09 PM
Unless we are in the top 5 or 6 it really does not matter. No point in being dramatic. In a few weeks we will know with certainty.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: GB Warrior on February 14, 2018, 06:02:23 PM
Quote from: muguru on February 14, 2018, 02:57:43 PM
Knock it off with your hyperbole. I NEVER once said they were the worst team ever..all I said was a case CAN be made that as of February 14th, they MIGHT be the worst team in the Big East currently. Can you find me one that is currently playing worse?? I'll hang up and listen for your response.

I tend not to think about point and time rankings as meaningful. Imagine how terribly Nova would have been ranked after losing to us last year! Definitely worst in the BE right?
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: willie warrior on February 14, 2018, 06:49:33 PM
Quote from: muguru on February 14, 2018, 08:32:06 AM
You nailed it, there should NEVER EVER be a time when MU can even be discussed as the worst team in conference at any time. Yet, people keep giving Wojo so much slack..look around the country, there are enough examples of Coaches that have turned around programs in a year, some are cited above..Yet, it's okay that MU is where they are 4 years in?? I don't get it.
If you do not get it, you haven't been drinking the Wojo wine. He can do no wrong, he is a saint to the administration, but we are nearing the bottom of the Beast, and that is totally unacceptable. Instead of competing for BEast championships, we are now competing for the cellar. Wake up and smell the napalm.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on February 14, 2018, 06:52:19 PM
Wojo has been upping our talent.  Unfortunately our coaching stinks.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: muguru on February 14, 2018, 06:54:59 PM
Quote from: GB Warrior on February 14, 2018, 06:02:23 PM
I tend not to think about point and time rankings as meaningful. Imagine how terribly Nova would have been ranked after losing to us last year! Definitely worst in the BE right?

Had they lost 5 of 6, including 3 at home??
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: Goose on February 14, 2018, 07:26:59 PM
Stretch

I think the talent is woefully falling short. A lot of role players in the mix. That can work with a coaches coach. Rick Majerus could change school up a team of role player, but he was an exception to the rule.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: Stretchdeltsig on February 14, 2018, 07:32:40 PM
I knew Rick well. Played with him.  He was a jellybean screener. 

But, Al recruited only one kid a year.  The scrambled egg unit were far less talented than our last five guys.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: Goose on February 14, 2018, 07:44:32 PM
Stretch

We probably know each other, met Rick when I was probably ten years old,now much older, and loved him.

Wojo has not gotten that one guy a year yet, except Henry. Al got off the charts studs, Wojo has brought in tier two studs. IMO, long way to go on talent level.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: Newsdreams on February 14, 2018, 08:29:47 PM
Quote from: muguru on February 14, 2018, 06:54:59 PM
Had they lost 5 of 6, including 3 at home??
Down goes Nova again
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on February 14, 2018, 09:38:59 PM
We may be better than Seton Hall
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: MU82 on February 14, 2018, 09:53:36 PM
I can't believe I'm actually going to take this thread seriously, but ...

Seton Hall is playing like absolute shyte. Plus, we beat them twice, the first time by 1,000 points at our place and the second time just a week ago at their place.

So yes, I absolutely think that if I had to choose which of two teams was worse, I'm going with the team that lost twice to the other team, including just last week on its own home court.

Oh, and DePaul, too. Unless we lose to DePaul. Then guru can start another thread set up to make people who don't believe MU is the worst to have to "prove" it. And in the process, that allows others to say, "Don't be so proud if we're only the second-worst." Ugh.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: MU86NC on February 14, 2018, 10:02:52 PM
Quote from: BagpipingBoxer on February 14, 2018, 10:06:37 AM
Jesus how can someone be so naive. Please tell me why we didn't make the tournament in 2015-16 if Win count is the only thing that matters. Better yet tell me why all the conferences that have teams with win totals in the low to mid 20s don't get more bids when there's teams making the tournament with 18 and 19 wins
My point being in 10 or 20 years the only thing people see will be th win loss record...
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: Newsdreams on February 14, 2018, 10:08:24 PM
Quote from: MU86NC on February 14, 2018, 10:02:52 PM
My point being in 10 or 20 years the only thing people see will be th win loss record...
No, but still who cares.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: MU86NC on February 14, 2018, 10:34:41 PM
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 14, 2018, 10:08:24 PM
No, but still who cares.
Seems like you do!
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: Uncle Rico on February 15, 2018, 07:44:35 AM
I firmly believe Villanova is currently the worst team in the league having lost 2 of 3, including at Providence where even DePaul and Marquette won
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: Tums Festival on February 15, 2018, 08:59:38 AM
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on February 13, 2018, 09:22:08 PM
I think the argument can be made that the teams on the bottom have gotten better as the season has marched on,  not sure that MU has.  I fully expect to lose at GTown, at SJu, n at depaul.

At this point ending the season with a losing record is a definite possibility.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: bilsu on February 15, 2018, 09:30:56 AM
We are better than two teams and they are DePaul and Seton Hall. Possibly better than Georgetown.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: 4everwarriors on February 15, 2018, 01:31:23 PM
Man, Rick and I worked side by side for 2 summers. Between him snacking constantly and both of us talkin' hoops, didn't get much done. Still 'member that p.o.s. American Motors Gremlin he drove back in the day, hey?
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: Newsdreams on February 15, 2018, 03:11:08 PM
Quote from: 4everwarriors on February 15, 2018, 01:31:23 PM
Man, Rick and I worked side by side for 2 summers. Between him snacking constantly and both of us talkin' hoops, didn't get much done. Still 'member that p.o.s. American Motors Gremlin he drove back in the day, hey?
Did he always carry a towel?
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on February 15, 2018, 03:48:39 PM
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 15, 2018, 03:11:08 PM
Did he always carry a towel?

And, was 4ever his manager?
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 15, 2018, 04:08:50 PM
Quote from: MU86NC on February 14, 2018, 10:02:52 PM
My point being in 10 or 20 years the only thing people see will be th win loss record...

In 10-20 years people will see what postseason we made. Case study: I know we made the NIT in Creans second and O'Neill's first year. I don't know the record offhand and would take that notch to our programs belt over nothing.

All that matters is A) getting to the postseason, B) advancing in said postseason. The rest is forgotten by the average fan
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: Spotcheck Billy on February 15, 2018, 04:24:55 PM
It was far easier for teams to make the NIT in Crean's and O'Neill's time.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: Galway Eagle on February 15, 2018, 06:22:50 PM
Quote from: Waldo Jeffers on February 15, 2018, 04:24:55 PM
It was far easier for teams to make the NIT in Crean's and O'Neill's time.

Point remains that nobody cares about the records of teams that don't have anything to show for it. Outside of our 32 NCAA appearances and 12(?) NITs how many records do you know? I know we had like two decent years under bill chandler and that's about it because those years don't have anything to show
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: Billy Hoyle on February 15, 2018, 06:51:59 PM
Quote from: Waldo Jeffers on February 15, 2018, 04:24:55 PM
It was far easier for teams to make the NIT in Crean's and O'Neill's time.

Correct.  The NIT was more concerned about teams that could draw.  The 2005 MU team that had no PG undeservingly made the NIT. Now teams have to earn their way into the tournament and (rightfully) teams that win their regular season conference title but don't get an NCAA Tourney bid get an automatic invite.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: GGGG on February 15, 2018, 06:55:15 PM
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 15, 2018, 06:51:59 PM
Correct.  The NIT was more concerned about teams that could draw.  The 2005 MU team that had no PG undeservingly made the NIT. Now teams have to earn their way into the tournament and (rightfully) teams that win their regular season conference title but don't get an NCAA Tourney bid get an automatic invite.



Why rightfully? 
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: Newsdreams on February 15, 2018, 09:12:29 PM
Quote from: dinger on February 14, 2018, 12:17:02 PM
Long time lurker here just checking in to say that this thread got me to go to Arby's for lunch. There are no winners.
Yo. Made Scoop Takes!
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: Newsdreams on February 15, 2018, 09:14:16 PM
Quote from: MU86NC on February 14, 2018, 10:34:41 PM
Seems like you do!
No, why?
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: Dawson Rental on February 16, 2018, 05:06:34 AM
Quote from: Goose on February 14, 2018, 07:44:32 PM
Stretch

We probably know each other, met Rick when I was probably ten years old,now much older, and loved him.

Wojo has not gotten that one guy a year yet, except Henry. Al got off the charts studs, Wojo has brought in tier two studs. IMO, long way to go on talent level.

Review the "Interesting Day Ahead" thread and get back to us on the wisdom of getting Al style "off the chart studs" in the last few years.

You want Al type studs?  Go get 'em.  Take 100k outta the bank, and head down to FedEx.....
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: Dawson Rental on February 16, 2018, 05:15:11 AM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 15, 2018, 07:44:35 AM
I firmly believe Villanova is currently the worst team in the league having lost 2 of 3, including at Providence where even DePaul and Marquette won

Let's not forget that 'Nova was also the first league team to lose to St. John's which had lost its first 11 games to start the league season.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: Henry Sugar on February 16, 2018, 10:25:29 AM
Quote from: dinger on February 14, 2018, 12:17:02 PM
Long time lurker here just checking in to say that this thread got me to go to Arby's for lunch. There are no winners.

mmmmm..... delicious
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: MuMark on February 21, 2018, 09:59:42 PM
No
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: wadesworld on February 21, 2018, 10:15:14 PM
Just remember, 60 game minutes ago a select group Scoopers had MU pegged as DePaul.

Smart people on this site.
Title: Re: Is MU currently the worst team in the BE??
Post by: WarriorDad on February 21, 2018, 11:02:49 PM
Quote from: muguru on February 13, 2018, 07:51:02 PM
Georgetown has improved by leaps and bounds...knocked off Seton hall last Saturday and tonight won AT Butler...We all know what SJU has done lately, and even DePaul won by 18 AT Providence this last week..based on the eye test(the way teams have been playing), sadly, I think it's hard to argue that MU just might well be the worst team in the BE right now.

No
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