1. SH. good all around game. I'll give it to him because of his D.
1A. M2N. Damn, he's good.
3. Matt. Nice D tonight.
4. Theo played well. BS calls against him kept him from lots o' time tonight.
Jamal's gonna be awfully good. Good to see AR back on the bench. Need him big time for the Beast.
Go Warriors!
I'll go with Markus
Theo.
He was huge. Multiple blocks. Brought energy.
Theo. Would have played another 10 min atleast had he not had 3 fake fouls called.
Markus or Sam.
Big honorable mention to Theo.
Markus
Sam - Offense as good as Markus'. Better defense
Markus - All the offense
Theo - Man sized blocks, would have had so many more if he wasn't jobbed by bad fouls
Cain - Loved the energy he played with. He's going to put it all together one day and be very very good
Theo
Theo
Period. No Ifs Ands or Buts
Although both M2N and Hauser are more than deserving, I'll also give it to Theo. Really played well in every facet of the game. Showed some nice moves on offense and had some massive blocks.
Both Hauser and M2N put up a bunch of points, but neither actually shot particularly well from the field.
The O' John
Will start hitting his stride during Big East play, perfectly suited for what MU needs
Theo. It's only fair the way he was mistreated by the officials.
Theo
Again, Theo played well and got hosed on the foul calls, but do we still win without Theo? not so sure if we don't have Sam or Markus.
1. Sam
2. Markus
3. Theo
4. Jamal
SH wins game with doing well at everything.
Sam Hauser
Harry
Quote from: Mr. Sand-Knit on December 18, 2017, 08:16:58 PM
Theo
You need to check your autocorrect. When it changes 'Matt' to 'Theo' you probably have a virus.
It's been said before but: Sam, M2N, Theo (he is developing extremely well)
Sam
Theo was good for what he was-but stud of the entire game?
Not even close.
Markus was close tho
Sam, with Markus a close second.
Theo was a stud...but I don't think he was the difference in the game.
Markus was the best player on the floor again.
2 Sam
3. Jamal Cain
Theo was good, but he only played 14 minutes.
Thought Markus was the driving force, even if it wasn't his best game overall. Filthy when you can say "wasn't his best game" when a guy scores 26.
Theo played really well though. So much for losing all his minutes as soon as Froling could play.
Sam
1. Markus
2. Sam
Honorable Mention
Matt
Theo
Theo was the "stud" in this game.
No preference between Sam and Markus. Sam was steady, played solid D, made half his shots, scored 21. Markus didn't shoot as well as usual but he scored 26 despite being roughed up repeatedly; plus, he had to take up the slack after Rowsey left.
I understand those who want to see somebody new winning, and I like the cut of Theo's jib, but the young man played only 14 minutes. It's hard for me to say he had more impact on the outcome than Cain did, let alone Markus or Sam.
Markus
Theo
I want to go Theo because we need more than 3 names on the SOTG board and this might be our best chance
Markus wins the tie break with the assists...I vote with KPom
Sam
Theo played 14 minutes and had an Orating of 90.
Theo
Theo
Markus, he bring Confidence with his 26.
Marcus had 26 on an "off" night.
STUD
Feels like Markus was the pulse of this team.
That said, I remarked to a friend during the game that one of these days, we're going to see Hauser want to take over a game, and he proceeded to knock down 5 quick points to ice it. Just a very even keel performance.
Sam is so steady and smooth.
Anim
Just getting to this post. I thought it was going to be an easy win for Anim. I can't believe he is not getting votes. He locked down German who was the best player on the floor by a long shot in the first half. Sacar denied him the ball and took him out of the game in the second half. Huge. This one should have been easy.
Markus.
Sam
Sacar
Sam
1. Sam
2. Markus/Theo
I mentioned it another thread, but while watching us play, I think "bad shot" at least 10 times a game. Howard and Rowsey are so good they make bad shots just enough to keep firing them, but not really at a good percentage. I don't ever think "bad shot" when Sam shoots. He plays under control and takes what the defense gives. Rowsey and Howard are so much fun to watch play offense that you can forget about Sam, but he plays so solidly in all areas he is becoming a favorite of mine.
Sam.
Theo with the 6th man award.
Markus simply had one too many brain cramps on the floor, especially in the final 3 minutes. One could practically hear Wojo screaming 'Value the basketball!' at him. Son, you simply do not chuck a modestly contested 3 with 22 seconds on the shot clock when leading by 10 with a minute to go. He'll be reminded in the film room today.
Quote from: jsglow on December 19, 2017, 07:31:48 AM
Sam.
Theo with the 6th man award.
Markus simply had one too many brain cramps on the floor, especially in the final 3 minutes. One could practically hear Wojo screaming 'Value the basketball!' at him. Son, you simply do not chuck a modestly contested 3 with 22 seconds on the shot clock when leading by 10 with a minute to go. He'll be reminded in the film room today.
I agree with all of this. Sam's steady performance and solid defense were a big part of what helped us pull away in the second half. Markus is still not a great PG and doesn't do as well as he should taking care of the ball. It was mentioned above, but he makes enough bad looks that he still takes too many of them. It's a blessing and a curse.
Theo had himself a great game relative to what he's done so far this year. Relative to the other 9 guys on the floor, he's still got some work to do to get himself to the top. His defense is getting better, and he seems to have more court awareness now than a month ago. He's getting better each game. I was saying last night I think he will probably be a Dwight Burke type guy by the time he's a junior - good enough defense, limited mistakes, and enough offensive ability to draw defenders in when guards can get him the ball.
Honestly I have no idea why people are choosing Theo. He had a nice stretch against an undersized team. Played 14 minutes.
Compare that to Markus or Sam.
Quote from: Sultan of Kookiness on December 19, 2017, 08:26:31 AM
Honestly I have no idea why people are choosing Theo. He had a nice stretch against an undersized team. Played 14 minutes.
Compare that to Markus or Sam.
Yep. 6th man award.
Sam
Quote from: Sultan of Kookiness on December 19, 2017, 08:26:31 AM
Honestly I have no idea why people are choosing Theo. He had a nice stretch against an undersized team. Played 14 minutes.
Compare that to Markus or Sam.
The same reason Lebron doesn't win MVP every year. People get bored and vote for something different.
Now if Theo wasn't in foul trouble, put up 13 pts, 10 boards, and 5 blocks in 29 minutes then I'd make a case for him.
Sam
Quote from: CTWarrior on December 19, 2017, 07:24:33 AM
1. Sam
2. Markus/Theo
I mentioned it another thread, but while watching us play, I think "bad shot" at least 10 times a game. Howard and Rowsey are so good they make bad shots just enough to keep firing them, but not really at a good percentage. I don't ever think "bad shot" when Sam shoots. He plays under control and takes what the defense gives. Rowsey and Howard are so much fun to watch play offense that you can forget about Sam, but he plays so solidly in all areas he is becoming a favorite of mine.
CT I didn't see what you saw at all. Most of our threes were wide open and in rhythm, just weren't falling. I can recall one bad shot by Markus but that was about it.
Theo
Markus and Sam missed a lot of shots.
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 19, 2017, 10:53:56 AM
CT I didn't see what you saw at all. Most of our threes were wide open and in rhythm, just weren't falling. I can recall one bad shot by Markus but that was about it.
I saw one such shot from Sam where he came off the curl and failed to square himself and missed, but that's it.
As Glow mentioned, that is normally a successful play for us, particularly for Andrew.
Quote from: bilsu on December 19, 2017, 02:51:17 PM
Theo
Markus and Sam missed a lot of shots.
Sam had the exact same FG% as Theo and was .125 better in EFG.
Sam
I try not to take SOTG too seriously (I know - shame on me!) ... but there's really no reasonable claim to Theo getting this over Sam (and probably not over Markus).
We need role players to play like Theo did to help us win games, but somebody's got to do the heavy lifting. Which is what Sam and Markus did.
Loved Theo's game - all 14 minutes of it. Looking forward to more. Not close to SOTG, though.
Hauser
It's Sam. Let me explain why...
21 (points)
33 minutes = 3 x 11
3 + 11 = 14
3 (rebounds ) + 1 (assist) + 3 (steals) = 7
14 + 7 = 21
21 + 21 = 42
That should clear it up for everyone that feels they need an explanation.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 19, 2017, 11:47:02 PM
It's Sam. Let me explain why...
21 (points)
33 minutes = 3 x 11
3 + 11 = 14
3 (rebounds ) + 1 (assist) + 3 (steals) = 7
14 + 7 = 21
21 + 21 = 42
That should clear it up for everyone that feels they need an explanation.
That's pretty clear. 42 is the answer to life, the Universe, and everything.
(http://webpages.scu.edu/ftp/RMcGuigan/english138/images/633519230532681237-42-the-meaning-of-life-i-know-i-dont-get-it-either.jpg)
When Markus realizes he is trailing both Sam and Andrew for SOTG awards he will finally have the incentive he needs to put together a complete and dominating game.
Way to motivate Scoop. #mindgames
Quote from: TSmith34 on December 20, 2017, 07:41:10 AM
When Markus realizes he is trailing both Sam and Andrew for SOTG awards he will finally have the incentive he needs to put together a complete and dominating game.
Way to motivate Scoop. #mindgames
Yeah, I am getting pretty fed up with him doggin' it this season.
The Rule 42. Rocky's SOTG rationale all makes sense now.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Rule%2042
Quote from: Dr. Blackheart on December 20, 2017, 08:43:34 AM
The Rule 42. Rocky's SOTG rationale all makes sense now.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Rule%2042
Reading that involves a towel I think it would be the Rick Majerus rule.
Ortg Drtg Total
Markus Howard 128 102 230
Matt Heldt 138 91 229
Sacar Anim 127 102 229
Sam Hauser 124 95 219
Jamal Cain 101 87 188
Andrew Rowsey 84 103 187
Theo John 92 93 185
Greg Elliott 53 94 147
Harry Froling 30 78 108
Quote from: T-Bone on December 20, 2017, 01:53:27 PM
Ortg Drtg Total
Markus Howard 128 102 230
Matt Heldt 138 91 229
Sacar Anim 127 102 229
Sam Hauser 124 95 219
Jamal Cain 101 87 188
Andrew Rowsey 84 103 187
Theo John 92 93 185
Greg Elliott 53 94 147
Harry Froling 30 78 108
Yeah...except a high Drtg isn't a good thing.
Quote from: Sultan of Kookiness on December 20, 2017, 02:02:42 PM
Yeah...except a high Drtg isn't a good thing.
Yep
This doesn't really work but the more accurate list would be:
Ortg Drtg Total
Matt Heldt 138 91 47
Sam Hauser 124 95 29
Markus Howard 128 102 26
Sacar Anim 127 102 25
Jamal Cain 101 87 14
Theo John 92 93 -1
Andrew Rowsey 84 103 -19
Greg Elliott 53 94 -41
Harry Froling 30 78 -48
O and D rating have their uses....but they are not a great indicator of how a player actually affected the game. If you really think Heldt was 14 points better than Hauser on offense....I have a very nice bridge for sale
Where are you guys getting an 84 rating for Rowsey? Kenpom has him at 118.6
edit: I'm dumb, this is probably just for the NIU game.
Yeah, I have little idea about how the stats are derived, just throwing that out for discussion. (I was looking to see if there were WAR stats for a discussion in another thread, and thought about this a bit for the game)
Quote from: TAMU Eagle on December 20, 2017, 02:40:40 PM
Yep
This doesn't really work but the more accurate list would be:
Ortg Drtg Total
Matt Heldt 138 91 47
Sam Hauser 124 95 29
Markus Howard 128 102 26
Sacar Anim 127 102 25
Jamal Cain 101 87 14
Theo John 92 93 -1
Andrew Rowsey 84 103 -19
Greg Elliott 53 94 -41
Harry Froling 30 78 -48
Wait ... seriously ... does this ratings system actually claim that Matt was our best offensive player Monday?
If so, old fogies like me who look at ridiculous stuff like points, rebounds, FG%, A/TO - yeah, I know, stoopid - should celebrate the official death of these new-fangled metrics!
Quote from: MU82 on December 20, 2017, 04:51:17 PM
Wait ... seriously ... does this ratings system actually claim that Matt was our best offensive player Monday?
If so, old fogies like me who look at ridiculous stuff like points, rebounds, FG%, A/TO - yeah, I know, stoopid - should celebrate the official death of these new-fangled metrics!
No, because it doesn't account for usage rate (also an advanced stat)
Heldt's usage rate was 4%, M2N's was 29%, Hauser's was 22%
Advanced stats would tell you Markus & Sam were far more valuable offensively (as would the eye test and traditional box score, obviously)
An SOTG thread still going strong two days after the game?
God, I love Scoop.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on December 20, 2017, 05:40:02 PM
An SOTG thread still going strong two days after the game?
God, I love Scoop.
Just give it to Ike and be done with it.
Quote from: Ellenson Family Reunion on December 20, 2017, 05:35:53 PM
No, because it doesn't account for usage rate (also an advanced stat)
Heldt's usage rate was 4%, M2N's was 29%, Hauser's was 22%
Advanced stats would tell you Markus & Sam were far more valuable offensively (as would the eye test and traditional box score, obviously)
Agree with all of that, especially the part about the eye test and the box score. Most of us Scoopers are pretty good at watching a game and saying, "He was good, he wasn't." Even when we disagree, it's usually a matter of degree.
Most of us.