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Title: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: Marquette4life on November 20, 2017, 04:16:25 PM
Who are we cheering for. I know it most likely won’t matter because wichita should blow them out. But, cal has the early lead. So who do we want?
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: Shark on November 20, 2017, 04:17:44 PM
Wichita right? Even if you lose it's a "good loss" due to RPI or whatever. Also, if you win it's REALLY good. They're basically a lock to count as a win vs the field when being on the bubble.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: goldeneagle91114 on November 20, 2017, 04:20:13 PM
but what if Cal beats Wichita St? wouldn't that greatly help their RPI, which in turn would help us?
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: BM1090 on November 20, 2017, 04:22:17 PM
Cheer for Wichita in a close, physical game.

Cal up 10 early.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: Marquette4life on November 20, 2017, 04:23:19 PM
but what if Cal beats Wichita St? wouldn't that greatly help their RPI, which in turn would help us?
this is what I was thinking
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: cheebs09 on November 20, 2017, 04:29:56 PM
If we play Cal, is it the Cuonzo Bowl? Knock out two of he other candidates. Then beat the heck out of the Irish for good measure.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: GGGG on November 20, 2017, 04:32:57 PM
I'm rooting for whomever we can beat.  Now that we beat VCU, the schedule difference isn't really worth the brain cells.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: MUBigDance on November 20, 2017, 04:33:55 PM
The assumption is over the season, Wichita will be like they usually are...decent RPI and tourney team....and Cal will be a weaker PAC team without those creds.

But who knows for sure.

What I know is I'm rooting for MSM, Purdue and VCU against everybody but the BE and perhaps other MU opponents.

As others have stated, a close, taxing game would be nice....and maybe some afternoon sunburn for the winners   ;D
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: Milkshakes on November 20, 2017, 04:37:31 PM
I am rooting for Cal. WS, although loosing now, looks super athletic and they are long and tall and I think would give our guards lots of headaches. 
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: BM1090 on November 20, 2017, 04:59:48 PM
Cal is up 47-38 at half. Hope WSU can battle back.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: brewcity77 on November 20, 2017, 05:02:13 PM
Rooting for Wichita, because we aren't playing in the NCAA Tournament, we're building our resume for the NCAA Tournament. WSU will win 27+ games this year. That's huge for RPI, SOS, and our tourney hopes.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: cheebs09 on November 20, 2017, 05:05:57 PM
Rooting for Wichita, because we aren't playing in the NCAA Tournament, we're building our resume for the NCAA Tournament. WSU will win 27+ games this year. That's huge for RPI, SOS, and our tourney hopes.

Also, it's a chance at a marquee win on a neutral floor.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: JoeSmith1721 on November 20, 2017, 05:10:42 PM
Rooting for Wichita, because we aren't playing in the NCAA Tournament, we're building our resume for the NCAA Tournament. WSU will win 27+ games this year. That's huge for RPI, SOS, and our tourney hopes.

Exactly. There's no reason to be rooting for Cal. There's a chance they'll be worse than DePaul this year.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: Marquette4life on November 20, 2017, 05:10:50 PM
Rooting for Wichita, because we aren't playing in the NCAA Tournament, we're building our resume for the NCAA Tournament. WSU will win 27+ games this year. That's huge for RPI, SOS, and our tourney hopes.
agreed, but if Cal wins, we have a great shot at winning this, and getting to play a different Great team in the Championship (Notre Dame)
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: brewcity77 on November 20, 2017, 05:13:26 PM
agreed, but if Cal wins, we have a great shot at winning this, and getting to play a different Great team in the Championship (Notre Dame)

Give me two good games over any bad ones. Winning today was mission accomplished. Anything more is gravy, so give me the best gravy.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: DJO's Jaw on November 20, 2017, 05:15:22 PM
Give me two good games over any bad ones. Winning today was mission accomplished. Anything more is gravy, so give me the best gravy.
+1
I rather play no one than play Cal this season. Nothing to gain and everything to lose from a game like that.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: Pakuni on November 20, 2017, 05:17:32 PM
Also, it's a chance at a marquee win on a neutral floor.

Then again, if Cal wins, MU not only has a better chance at a win tomorrow, but also a likely shot at a Notre Dame team that almost certainly will have a higher RPI at season's end than the Shockers. (For perspective ... a 25-win ND team last year had an RPI of 23; a 29-win WSU had an RPI of 31).
I'd rather take my chances against Cal in hopes of setting up a title game against Notre Dame. Or, in other words, I'd rather play Cal and ND for a title than Wichita State and Michigan/LSU for 3rd place.
And, yeah, I'm probably selling short MU's chances against WSU given how they looked in the first half.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: GGGG on November 20, 2017, 05:17:53 PM
I mean I get this.  But getting to the championship game would be fun.  And if Cal is the best match-up, then I'm OK with that.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on November 20, 2017, 05:19:47 PM
Cal is huge n has marcus lee
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: Mu2323 on November 20, 2017, 05:20:13 PM
This game is over. We are playing cal.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: jsglow on November 20, 2017, 05:20:30 PM
Holy crap. What a butt kicking so far.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: Boozemon Barro on November 20, 2017, 05:21:08 PM
How sure are we that Wichita is any good?
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: BM1090 on November 20, 2017, 05:21:47 PM
Well this is annoying
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: jsglow on November 20, 2017, 05:23:31 PM
You know what boys?  Basketball isn't played on kenpom.  Wichita St may come back to win this but if you're not impressed by Cal's work today........
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: MomofMUltiples on November 20, 2017, 05:24:06 PM
They must be really off today.  Don't look like the #6 team in the country.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: Boozemon Barro on November 20, 2017, 05:24:17 PM
Wouldn't winning the Maui be better than losing in the 2nd round?
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: brewcity77 on November 20, 2017, 05:24:44 PM
Then again, if Cal wins, MU not only has a better chance at a win tomorrow, but also a likely shot at a Notre Dame team that almost certainly will have a higher RPI at season's end than the Shockers. (For perspective ... a 25-win ND team last year had an RPI of 23; a 29-win WSU had an RPI of 31).
I'd rather take my chances against Cal in hopes of setting up a title game against Notre Dame. Or, in other words, I'd rather play Cal and ND for a title than Wichita State and Michigan/LSU for 3rd place.
And, yeah, I'm probably selling short MU's chances against WSU given how they looked in the first half.

Except RPI doesn't take into account your opponent's RPI, it accounts for their record. So better to play a 28-win Wichita team than a 25-win ND team, regardless of their RPI.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: Lighthouse 84 on November 20, 2017, 05:28:42 PM
Except RPI doesn't take into account your opponent's RPI, it accounts for their record. So better to play a 28-win Wichita team than a 25-win ND team, regardless of their RPI.
ND sucks.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: chapman on November 20, 2017, 05:35:52 PM
Going by expectations, Wichita is much better for us.  Simple part of the RPI calculation - the opponent's win percentage of a team expected to win high 20's number of games versus a team that might lose 20. 

Going by wanting to win this thing, I don't want any part of a WSU team that got the bad play out of their system and stormed back for a win.  I don't think we struggle to beat a Cal team not playing way over their heads.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: muguru on November 20, 2017, 05:38:01 PM
I would love to see them in the Championship, so playing cal is fine with me...but I'm curious what the RPI calculations would be for beating VCU, beat cal and beat ND/Michigan, or...beat VCU, beat cal and lose to ND/Michigan.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: Pakuni on November 20, 2017, 05:41:28 PM
Except RPI doesn't take into account your opponent's RPI, it accounts for their record. So better to play a 28-win Wichita team than a 25-win ND team, regardless of their RPI.

I wasn't talking about the games' effects on MU's RPI. I was talking about which would ultimately be viewed as the better opponent. At season's end, Notre Dame will be viewed as the better opponent.
And given their showing today and step up in conference competition, I'm not so sure about WSU being a 29-win team.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: cheebs09 on November 20, 2017, 05:42:02 PM
Maybe all of this is moot if this is finally the year the selection committee devalues RPI.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: brewcity77 on November 20, 2017, 05:43:20 PM
I wasn't talking about the games' effects on MU's RPI. I was talking about which would ultimately be viewed as the better opponent. At season's end, Notre Dame will be viewed as the better opponent.
And given their showing today and step up in conference competition, I'm not so sure about WSU being a 29-win team.

Well, at the moment (and it's really early) Wichita is projected as a 1 or 2 seed. Notre Dame in the 3-4 range.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: brewcity77 on November 20, 2017, 05:43:52 PM
Shockers back within 7 with 10 to play.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: Herman Cain on November 20, 2017, 05:52:58 PM
I am a big Lynn Marshall fan, so I would prefer to see us play Witchita.  Cal would be a good opponent  as well since we seem to be competing with them from time to time for recruits. I think both will ultimately be seen as quality opponents .
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: Mr. Sand-Knit on November 20, 2017, 05:53:51 PM
Great discussion to have with 15-10 minutes to play smh
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 20, 2017, 05:59:01 PM
If it's Wichita I don't see how the hell we stop Morris.

But I'd love to take a crack at them. Nothing to lose.

We could still lose to Cal....that would be bad.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: Oldgym on November 20, 2017, 06:05:47 PM
Tied, 5 to play
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: #UnleashSean on November 20, 2017, 06:05:52 PM
Refs same to be playing in this game quite a bit.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: GB Warrior on November 20, 2017, 06:09:43 PM
I get a bigger kick than i should out of the name Justice Sueing given the news of the day
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: brewcity77 on November 20, 2017, 06:11:45 PM
Wichita with the lead.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: Mu2323 on November 20, 2017, 06:13:17 PM
lol at everyone wanted a wich st loss over a cal win. RPI doesn't help if you lose.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: muguru on November 20, 2017, 06:17:16 PM
lol at everyone wanted a wich st loss over a cal win. RPI doesn't help if you lose.

I agree with this, regardless of who MU would have played, an MU win will ALWAYS help more then a loss would.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: cheese ball chaser on November 20, 2017, 06:19:14 PM
Watching Cal getting destroyed by the press is painful. And I thought our press break was bad...Yikes.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: MUpugnacity on November 20, 2017, 06:20:30 PM
I agree with this, regardless of who MU would have played, an MU win will ALWAYS help more then a loss would.

By this logic we should schedule like Georgetown did this year.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on November 20, 2017, 06:20:53 PM
I agree with this, regardless of who MU would have played, an MU win will ALWAYS help more then a loss would.

I'd rather have the opportunity for a great win in a scenario where a loss doesn't do much damage vs. the chance of having a bad loss on the resume.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: brewcity77 on November 20, 2017, 06:21:36 PM
I agree with this, regardless of who MU would have played, an MU win will ALWAYS help more then a loss would.

This is just wrong. RPI is about the same whether we lose to Wichita or beat Cal, but the SOS impact is 10+ spots. Better to lose to Wichita than beat Cal.

But I've been saying this for months, so at this point anyone arguing otherwise is ignorant of math.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: muguru on November 20, 2017, 06:24:39 PM
I'd rather have the opportunity for a great win in a scenario where a loss doesn't do much damage vs. the chance of having a bad loss on the resume.

Well yeah, but I'd rather play in the championship over any thing else. besides, MU was NOT going to lose to Cal anyway. What's weird about this(other then the time of year), is that if this was the NCAA tournament, we would always root for the lessor team, to help MU.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 20, 2017, 06:24:47 PM
This is just wrong. RPI is about the same whether we lose to Wichita or beat Cal, but the SOS impact is 10+ spots. Better to lose to Wichita than beat Cal.

But I've been saying this for months, so at this point anyone arguing otherwise is ignorant of math.

This all being true if WSU is as good as most think they are.  If WSU loses 7-10 games maybe a win over Cal is better than a loss to WSU.  Remember to qualify your answer  ;D
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: muguru on November 20, 2017, 06:27:05 PM
This is just wrong. RPI is about the same whether we lose to Wichita or beat Cal, but the SOS impact is 10+ spots. Better to lose to Wichita than beat Cal.

But I've been saying this for months, so at this point anyone arguing otherwise is ignorant of math.

I guess my point was, in the end, MU will need all the "W's" they can get. So in that case, I'd rather beat Cal then lose to Wichita. The RPI and SOS say otherwise, which I get, but you aren't getting in the tourney if you don't have enough wins. Now, I'd LOVE to beat Wichita.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: LoudMouth on November 20, 2017, 06:32:13 PM
Well yeah, but I'd rather play in the championship over any thing else. besides, MU was NOT going to lose to Cal anyway. What's weird about this(other then the time of year), is that if this was the NCAA tournament, we would always root for the lessor team, to help MU.
You can not be serious. Those are the two most idiotic statements of all time on this board. 1) Guaranteeing a win vs a PAC-12 team. 2) Pointing out the brutally obvious truth that...get ready everyone...we would want to win in the NCAA tournament. I think we should leave the big east and enter the horizon league. I'd much rather win games against UIC then play a close one against Nova.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: muguru on November 20, 2017, 06:35:23 PM
You can not be serious. Those are the two most idiotic statements of all time on this board. 1) Guaranteeing a win vs a PAC-12 team. 2) Pointing out the brutally obvious truth that...get ready everyone...we would want to win in the NCAA tournament. I think we should leave the big east and enter the horizon league. I'd much rather win games against UIC then play a close one against Nova.

You don't want to win the Maui tournament??  ::)
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: LoudMouth on November 20, 2017, 06:36:35 PM
You don't want to win the Maui tournament??  ::)
I forgot they hung banners in the Al for winning a Thanksgiving tournament. My bad
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: reinko on November 20, 2017, 06:41:30 PM
This game is over. We are playing cal.

@OldTakesExposed

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Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 20, 2017, 06:45:14 PM
You don't want to win the Maui tournament??  ::)

Absolutely no guarantees we beat Cal.

I'm good with taking our swing against a team that can only help us by playing.

I have a feeling Wichita smokes us. But I'd rather have this test early.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: Pakuni on November 20, 2017, 06:47:54 PM
This is just wrong. RPI is about the same whether we lose to Wichita or beat Cal, but the SOS impact is 10+ spots. Better to lose to Wichita than beat Cal.

But I've been saying this for months, so at this point anyone arguing otherwise is ignorant of math.

But once again, you're failing to factor what likely would happen with a win over Cal in this scenario ... a game against ND.
A game vs ND and a game vs WSU is a virtual wash. In that case, I'd rather play ND for a title than WSU in a semifinal.
Also, Michigan and LSU don't look like world beaters, so I don't see how playing one of them for 3rd is much, if any, better for MU's tournament resume than playing Cal in the semis.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: brewcity77 on November 20, 2017, 06:48:04 PM
Well yeah, but I'd rather play in the championship over any thing else. besides, MU was NOT going to lose to Cal anyway. What's weird about this(other then the time of year), is that if this was the NCAA tournament, we would always root for the lessor team, to help MU.

But this ISN'T the NCAA tournament. It's a November tournament.

Would you rather win Maui by beating Cal and Chaminade and miss the NCAA tournament or lose a game or two in Maui and make the NCAA tournament? Because if we're on the bubble, winning Maui over those teams would hurt our chances more than help.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: BrewCity83 on November 20, 2017, 06:50:58 PM
I'd rather win Maui by beating VCU, Wichita State and Notre Lame.   ;D
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: Marquette4life on November 20, 2017, 06:51:41 PM
This game is over. We are playing cal.
lol!
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: brewcity77 on November 20, 2017, 07:03:01 PM
I'd rather win Maui by beating VCU, Wichita State and Notre Lame.   ;D

Definitely the ideal  8-)
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: muguru on November 20, 2017, 07:07:55 PM
But this ISN'T the NCAA tournament. It's a November tournament.

Would you rather win Maui by beating Cal and Chaminade and miss the NCAA tournament or lose a game or two in Maui and make the NCAA tournament? Because if we're on the bubble, winning Maui over those teams would hurt our chances more than help.

To the first point...I'd rather not lose ANY games. That's what bothers me so much about people talking about wanting to play Wichita even if MU loses, they are okay with it. I wish people would lose the mentality that losing is EVER okay. You should never be okay with losing. I'm not, and never will be. Regardless of the positive RPI effect losing to Wichita will have, I will be pissed off if they lose tomorrow, and have been happy as hell if they'd have played and beaten Cal to make the championship, winning is always better then losing...which brings me to the next bolded part...I really wish we wouldn't even have to discuss things like this anymore, being a "bubble" team is really tiring. I'd much prefer to go back to the days where you knew MU was in the tourney to start the year, barring something disastrous. That wasn't that long ago you know??
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: GGGG on November 20, 2017, 07:12:40 PM
To the first point...I'd rather not lose ANY games. That's what bothers me so much about people talking about wanting to play Wichita even if MU loses, they are okay with it. I wish people would lose the mentality that losing is EVER okay. You should never be okay with losing. I'm not, and never will be. Regardless of the positive RPI effect losing to Wichita will have, I will be pissed off if they lose tomorrow, and have been happy as hell if they'd have played and beaten Cal to make the championship, winning is always better then losing...which brings me to the next bolded part...I really wish we wouldn't even have to discuss things like this anymore, being a "bibble" team is really tiring. I'd much prefer to go back to the days where you knew MU was in the tourney to start the year, barring something disastrous. That wasn't that long ago you know??


For a guy who once bitched about the schedule when the new Big East was formed, I have come to one conclusion.

You always complain.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: muguru on November 20, 2017, 07:17:11 PM
NM
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: muguru on November 20, 2017, 07:20:31 PM

For a guy who once bitched about the schedule when the new Big East was formed, I have come to one conclusion.

You always complain.

I think many drew a conclusion about you a long time ago Sultan...That you are arrogant, and have the "I'm always the smartest guy in the room" mentality. Sadly enough, I think you are proud of it too.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: GGGG on November 20, 2017, 07:23:44 PM
I think many drew a conclusion about you a long time ago Sultan...That you are arrogant, and have the "I'm always the smartest guy in the room" mentality. Sadly enough, I think you are proud of it too.

1. I am usually correct.

2. You always complain.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: muguru on November 20, 2017, 07:26:58 PM
1. I am usually correct.

2. You always complain.

I don't always complain...I just HATE non competitive people that are "ok" with losing. That was probably you when/if you ever played any sports. I highly doubt you did though. Your answer to #1...typical liberal answer. Not surprised you think that at all.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: Goose on November 20, 2017, 07:28:16 PM
Muguru

Sultan actually believes he knows a lick about basketball. I would be fine with the arrogance if he knew something about the sport.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: Jay Bee on November 20, 2017, 07:29:12 PM
Some things never change... including ignorance when it comes to RPI. smh

FWIW, if we wind up losing to WSU, but beating Michigan for 3rd place, I'm a happy camper... well, as long as we are competitive and tough tomorrow.

But, let's just win 3.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: GGGG on November 20, 2017, 07:30:29 PM
Muguru

Sultan actually believes he knows a lick about basketball. I would be fine with the arrogance if he knew something about the sport.


Says the dude who actually thinks his "eye-test" means something.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: GGGG on November 20, 2017, 07:31:35 PM
I don't always complain...I just HATE non competitive people that are "ok" with losing. That was probably you when/if you ever played any sports. I highly doubt you did though. Your answer to #1...typical liberal answer. Not surprised you think that at all.

1. I played competitive sports.  I still do.

2. I am usually correct, as are most liberals.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: muguru on November 20, 2017, 07:32:42 PM
Muguru

Sultan actually believes he knows a lick about basketball. I would be fine with the arrogance if he knew something about the sport.

Thank you Goose!! This is exactly my point...About his arrogance...he THINKS he's knows stuff, when he actually doesn't know Sh*t about it. Just likes to come on these boards and act like the "big man on campus". The ONLY thing he knows a lot about is being a total f'n tool. He demonstartes that with every word he ever posts here. Notice how everytime he responds to something, he always has to point out how he THINKS in some way he's right and the poster is wrong?? Yeah...that's Sultan. What do you expect from a school administrator?? I can guarantee you he never played sports competitively in HS, and if he did, he was one of the kids that never got off the bench except in a blow out.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: Pakuni on November 20, 2017, 07:32:51 PM
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Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: Newsdreams on November 20, 2017, 07:33:05 PM

Says the dude who actually thinks his "eye-test" means something.
Well when I go to the ophthalmologist it does...
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on November 20, 2017, 07:33:25 PM
To the first point...I'd rather not lose ANY games. That's what bothers me so much about people talking about wanting to play Wichita even if MU loses, they are okay with it. I wish people would lose the mentality that losing is EVER okay. You should never be okay with losing. I'm not, and never will be. Regardless of the positive RPI effect losing to Wichita will have, I will be pissed off if they lose tomorrow, and have been happy as hell if they'd have played and beaten Cal to make the championship, winning is always better then losing...which brings me to the next bolded part...I really wish we wouldn't even have to discuss things like this anymore, being a "bibble" team is really tiring. I'd much prefer to go back to the days where you knew MU was in the tourney to start the year, barring something disastrous. That wasn't that long ago you know??

If we lose to a top 10 team tomorrow but put forth a solid effort and that will piss you off some perspective may be in order.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: Newsdreams on November 20, 2017, 07:34:19 PM
1. I played competitive sports.  I still do.

2. I am usually correct, as are most liberals.
Can you dunk?
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: muguru on November 20, 2017, 07:35:43 PM
1. I played competitive sports.  I still do.

2. I am usually correct, as are most liberals.

Pickle ball is not a competitive sport. You talk tough, but you are just an arrogant, talk out of your ass prick, there are few on these boards that don't think that. I remember when you first started posting, there were many that started wondering, who is this ass clown and who does he think he is?? Trust me, there were MANY PM's exchanged when you 'showed" up out of nowhere and were arrogant from day 1. You must be so proud..
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: GGGG on November 20, 2017, 07:37:58 PM
Can you dunk?

No.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: GGGG on November 20, 2017, 07:39:37 PM
Pickle ball is not a competitive sport. You talk tough, but you are just an arrogant, talk out of your ass prick, there are few on these boards that don't think that. I remember when you first started posting, there were many that started wondering, who is this ass clown and who does he think he is?? Trust me, there were MANY PM's exchanged when you 'showed" up out of nowhere and were arrogant from day 1. You must be so proud..


You complain a lot.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: Newsdreams on November 20, 2017, 07:41:37 PM
No.

You are no Ners
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: muguru on November 20, 2017, 07:41:53 PM
If we lose to a top 10 team tomorrow but put forth a solid effort and that will piss you off some perspective may be in order.

You are satisfied with a solid effort?? Whatever floats your boat. "The kids played hard and the deserve a ribbon for that". Yes, they may lose, but whether it's close or a blow out, that shouldn't sit well with you, or anyone else. That's what's so sad, and makes my point...this fan base has become so apoplectic that a vast majority are okay with a "solid effort". Just another example of the new generation where as long as you try hard, winning or losing doesn't matter. Let's just stop keeping score in all amateur sports, shall we??
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: tower912 on November 20, 2017, 07:42:33 PM
Pickle ball is not a competitive sport. You talk tough, but you are just an arrogant, talk out of your ass prick, there are few on these boards that don't think that. I remember when you first started posting, there were many that started wondering, who is this ass clown and who does he think he is?? Trust me, there were MANY PM's exchanged when you 'showed" up out of nowhere and were arrogant from day 1. You must be so proud..

Sultan was here almost from the beginning.   
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: Goose on November 20, 2017, 07:42:58 PM
Muguru

Very true on the PM’s. I received several last week regarding the expert. Several thanked me for challenging him. Funny thing, hardly a challenge.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: muguru on November 20, 2017, 07:43:47 PM
Sultan was here almost from the beginning.

I wasn't necessarily referring to this board.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: GGGG on November 20, 2017, 07:44:29 PM
That's what's so sad, and makes my point...this fan base has become so apoplectic that a vast majority are okay with a "solid effort".

Should I get you a dictionary for Christmas this year?
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on November 20, 2017, 07:47:13 PM
You are satisfied with a solid effort?? Whatever floats your boat. "The kids played hard and the deserve a ribbon for that". Yes, they may lose, but whether it's close or a blow out, that shouldn't sit well with you, or anyone else. That's what's so sad, and makes my point...this fan base has become so apoplectic that a vast majority are okay with a "solid effort". Just another example of the new generation where as long as you try hard, winning or losing doesn't matter. Let's just stop keeping score in all amateur sports, shall we??

What a completely dumb, inaccurate, and over-the-top interpretation of my post.

Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: muguru on November 20, 2017, 07:47:41 PM
Muguru

Very true on the PM’s. I received several last week regarding the expert. Several thanked me for challenging him. Funny thing, hardly a challenge.

Honestly  Goose, I would have ZERO issues with his "tough talk" and his berating posters he doesn't agree with, if he proved he had any hint of knowledge of the sport. I have yet to see him post ANYTHING that would prove that...For example, agaonst Purdue when I was saying I wish Wojo would have at least tried zone...his response to me was "zone would not have worked against them". First, he made the statement matter of factly like he KNEW without a doubt it wouldn't have worked. That points to his arrogance and his thinking he's smarter then everyone else. Second, never once did he explain WHY he THOUGHT zone wouldn't work...jus that it wouldn't. brilliant analysis.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: muguru on November 20, 2017, 07:52:12 PM
What a completely dumb, inaccurate, and over-the-top interpretation of my post.

Was it?? You said...If we lose to a top 10 team tomorrow but put forth a solid effort and that will piss you off some perspective may be in order.

I know what you are getting at, but i have a problem with your IMPLICATION that there is NOTHING to be ashamed of, as long as they put forth a solid effort, even if they still lose. I hate losing..and I promise you, the team nor coaching staff will be happy with a close loss tomorrow either, do you agree with that??
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: brewcity77 on November 20, 2017, 07:55:24 PM
This has quickly degraded into the most inane thread we've seen in awhile. ::)
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: Galway Eagle on November 20, 2017, 07:59:07 PM
This has quickly degraded into the most inane thread we've seen in awhile. ::)

I say we just let it roll and see where it takes us. I’m hoping muguru posts his old high school stats to prove what an amazing athlete he was or goes full ners talking about dunking in high school
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: Loose Cannon on November 20, 2017, 08:00:30 PM
This has quickly degraded into the most inane thread we've seen in awhile. ::)

Yep, it's similar to all your total posts are your Resume.  Stay Proud.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: GGGG on November 20, 2017, 08:04:03 PM
You are no Ners

One must still have aspirations. 
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on November 20, 2017, 08:04:42 PM
Was it?? You said...If we lose to a top 10 team tomorrow but put forth a solid effort and that will piss you off some perspective may be in order.

I know what you are getting at, but i have a problem with your IMPLICATION that there is NOTHING to be ashamed of, as long as they put forth a solid effort, even if they still lose. I hate losing..and I promise you, the team nor coaching staff will be happy with a close loss tomorrow either, do you agree with that??

Who said anything about the team or fans being happy if we lose?  Of course no one will be happy.

But if our team, which is fairly young, loses to a top 10 team with 6 seniors on the roster that brings back its top 8 scorers from last season, there is nothing to be ashamed of.  This of course assumes the effort is there. 

It helps to have a realistic expectation for a game like that. Yet you're projecting that someone with such a mindset is ok with mediocrity or just being average when that couldn't be further from the truth.  One does not equate to the other.

And while it's great you love MU hoops so much a healthy perspective on the outcomes isn't your strong suit, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: GoldenDieners32 on November 20, 2017, 08:09:58 PM
MU by 45 tomorrow
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: Goose on November 20, 2017, 08:11:58 PM
muguru

I thin you are spot on but fighting a losing battle on here. This board is dominated by 3-5 posters and their message is not to be challenged.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: jsglow on November 20, 2017, 08:19:13 PM
By the way, Wichita St. came back to win comfortably.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: NickelDimer on November 20, 2017, 08:20:13 PM
You are satisfied with a solid effort?? Whatever floats your boat. "The kids played hard and the deserve a ribbon for that". Yes, they may lose, but whether it's close or a blow out, that shouldn't sit well with you, or anyone else. That's what's so sad, and makes my point...this fan base has become so apoplectic that a vast majority are okay with a "solid effort". Just another example of the new generation where as long as you try hard, winning or losing doesn't matter. Let's just stop keeping score in all amateur sports, shall we??
Every time I read one of your posts I picture you slamming the keys with smoke coming out of your ears. You’re a tad high strung. Chill the unnatural carnal knowledge out
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: Hards Alumni on November 20, 2017, 08:26:22 PM
This has quickly degraded into the most inane thread we've seen in awhile. ::)

And that's saying something
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: tower912 on November 20, 2017, 08:47:01 PM
On paper, Wichita is a potential final 4 team.  Marquette is a potential bubble team.  They return their top 8 scorers.  MU returns 5 scholarship players.  This is very likely going to be Purdue  redux.  You will be much better served if you realize they are a better team, accept that a loss is likely, and spend the game watching for positives, improvement, and growth.   
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: The Equalizer on November 20, 2017, 08:53:42 PM
This is just wrong. RPI is about the same whether we lose to Wichita or beat Cal, but the SOS impact is 10+ spots. Better to lose to Wichita than beat Cal.

But I've been saying this for months, so at this point anyone arguing otherwise is ignorant of math.

Do you realize that RPI already incorporates SOS?

If the RPI is about the same, then mathematically speaking, an addition win has about the same impact as your beloved SOS. 

If a stronger SOS is worth +10 spots, the extra loss is worth -10.  RPI is about the same.






Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: brewcity77 on November 20, 2017, 09:00:20 PM
Do you realize that RPI already incorporates SOS?

If the RPI is about the same, then mathematically speaking, an addition win has about the same impact as your beloved SOS. 

If a stronger SOS is worth +10 spots, the extra loss is worth -10.  RPI is about the same.

This is just wrong. The reason the impact of a win and loss are negligible is because of the SOS difference.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: Dr. Blackheart on November 20, 2017, 09:03:49 PM
Gregg Marshall paces more than Tan Tommy.  There is also something unnatural about his looks.

The WSU fans are an interesting breed. From the looks of things in the stands the Shocker alumni thread will be a classic. Instead of this totally innane pissing contest, why don’t you chunks get to work on some research?
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: Lennys Tap on November 20, 2017, 09:05:53 PM
muguru

I thin you are spot on but fighting a losing battle on here. This board is dominated by 3-5 posters and their message is not to be challenged.

Whether discussing basketball, politics or anything in between, you can cut the incivility on the board with a knife. Perspectives that diverge from Wojo adoration or left wing political orthodoxy are vilified, mocked and shouted down. Too bad - used to be a lot of good discussions here.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: The Equalizer on November 20, 2017, 09:20:31 PM
This is just wrong. The reason the impact of a win and loss are negligible is because of the SOS difference.

Its not wrong.

You readily admit the RPI is "about the same" if we had to choose between a Cal win versus a Wichita State loss.

RPI already incorporates SOS.

Therefore, if a Wichita State loss gets us +10 spots because of a stronger SOS, for us to have about the same RPI means the extra loss has an impact of -10 spots.

Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: MU82 on November 20, 2017, 09:22:56 PM
This was quite a thread, featuring an amazing argument about whom we should have been rooting for. I'd call it an all-timer ... but it wasn't.

I do wish that guru would stop accusing everybody who doesn't go as nuts about every loss as he does of not caring about the Warriors. It's not true, and it's a charge he throws out constantly. Otherwise, I'll let all the fun comments by everybody participating stand.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: Eye on November 20, 2017, 09:23:23 PM
Is there an ignore feature on this board?
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: rocky_warrior on November 20, 2017, 09:44:04 PM
Is there an ignore feature on this board?

See this post...
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=3.0
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: cheebs09 on November 20, 2017, 10:09:50 PM
Gregg Marshall paces more than Tan Tommy.  There is also something unnatural about his looks.

The WSU fans are an interesting breed. From the looks of things in the stands the Shocker alumni thread will be a classic. Instead of this totally innane pissing contest, why don’t you chunks get to work on some research?

I'm  pretty sure there was a Crean comparison when he was brought up as a coaching candidate. It sounded like he's a bit of an odd duck and the reason he hasn't gotten a bigger job is more than just him loving WSU.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: Boozemon Barro on November 20, 2017, 10:55:46 PM
I'm  pretty sure there was a Crean comparison when he was brought up as a coaching candidate. It sounded like he's a bit of an odd duck and the reason he hasn't gotten a bigger job is more than just him loving WSU.

His wife is a nutjob.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: PGsHeroes32 on November 21, 2017, 12:36:02 AM
Well...

There goes Michigan
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: cheese ball chaser on November 21, 2017, 12:59:12 AM
Well...

There goes Michigan

Actually really glad I stayed up and watched that game. That kid Waters is something else...
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: Eye on November 21, 2017, 08:10:29 AM
Is there an ignore feature on this board?

Thanks much Rocky.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: Mu2323 on November 21, 2017, 02:55:34 PM
So glad we were able to boost our RPI with this Loss  ::)
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on November 21, 2017, 02:56:27 PM
So glad we were able to boost our RPI with this Loss  ::)

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-apcbLo9706g/Vd1hHgZv4pI/AAAAAAAATZI/tClgN39RzOk/s1600/thats-dumb.gif)
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: source? on November 21, 2017, 03:55:58 PM
Cal down 26 at half to VCU. They would have been an absolute anchor if we won and a massive perception obstacle to overcome if we'd lost.
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: tower912 on November 22, 2017, 07:58:40 AM
See this post...
http://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=3.0
Pin the directions to the top of the page. 
Title: Re: Wichita vs Cal
Post by: MU82 on November 22, 2017, 09:04:17 AM
So glad we were able to boost our RPI with this Loss  ::)

Yeah, if only more Scoopers had rooted for WSU to lose, Cal would have hung on to win. Because that's how it works.

Maybe if more Scoopers would root for Marquette, we'd be No. 1 again. Instead, we apparently keep rooting for Duke, UNC, Kentucky and Kansas.