Playing hero ball and trailing Bucky by 4 at the half, even though Happ sat out more than half the game. Big East could be out of this tournament by late today. Sad.
No Happ reminds me of our game with Bucky. Was watching the women lose so didn't see much of this.
Respect the process. Lot of game left.
Won't be surprised at all if WI wins.
Bucky with key players with foul trouble. Hope Hayes attempts to carry them.
Update: Koenig with 4. Bye, bitch!
Changed the title of the thread. Lets try to keep it to one for NCAA games the rest of the day.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 18, 2017, 03:24:08 PM
Changed the title of the thread. Lets try to keep it to one for NCAA games the rest of the day.
sorry, Rocky. Thanks.
I'm hoping Cain can develop into Mikal Bridges. Long, skilled athletes but Cain needs 20-30 lbs of muscle.
Refs really saved Nova with the whistles on UW.
I don't know if I've ever seen the Badgers get called for so many soft fouls
Ha. "Happ controls his jump so he doesn't hit his body on the shooter"...except he did hit the shooter
Divencenzo is pretty damn good.
This game is like watching paint dry.
Quote from: forgetful on March 18, 2017, 03:47:37 PM
Divencenzo is pretty damn good.
Brunson is an absolute joy to watch
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 18, 2017, 03:50:04 PM
Brunson is an absolute joy to watch
Best high school player ive ever seen live, even better than Jabari. Ryan Boatright and Quentin Richardson close runners up.
Quote from: MUEng92 on March 18, 2017, 03:47:15 PM
Ha. "Happ controls his jump so he doesn't hit his body on the shooter"...except he did hit the shooter
Yeah, there were two instances where Happ should have gotten his 5th. Officials keeping him in right now by swallowing their whistles.
Quote from: forgetful on March 18, 2017, 03:54:03 PM
Yeah, there were two instances where Happ should have gotten his 5th. Officials keeping him in right now by swallowing their whistles.
Doesn't he only have 3?
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 18, 2017, 03:55:44 PM
Doesn't he only have 3?
Yes because they've been babysitting him on 3 fouls
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 18, 2017, 03:55:44 PM
Doesn't he only have 3?
Yeah, my bad, was getting him and Koenig mixed up.
Really easy to hate hayes
Hack Happ
Hart was manhandled on that possession....
Wow foul call on Hayes.
Was a good call too. Should be intentional to prevent a breakaway score.
Intentional no?
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 18, 2017, 04:04:28 PM
Hack Happ
I think they're switching him for that reason
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 18, 2017, 04:06:15 PM
Intentional no?
It was more intentional according to the rules than the one on Seton Hall.
How was that not intentional?
Hack Happ
There's no intention, only flagrant.
Hayes has abused Nova down low. Idk the last time I saw him own the paint like this
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 18, 2017, 04:10:02 PM
Hayes has abused Nova down low. Idk the last time I saw him own the paain't like this
He pushed his defender 3 times with his forearm on that possession.
Hart got fouled
I hate basketball
Just when I thought Wisconsin couldn't get more calls.......
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 18, 2017, 04:11:42 PM
Hart got fouled
All ball.
Terrible play call by Wright. Completely out coached by Gard
Buh-bye, Nova.
A tournament to forget.
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 18, 2017, 04:11:42 PM
Hart got fouled
If that wasn't a foul, then neither was the tie up on the rebound.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 18, 2017, 04:12:58 PM
All ball.
Terrible play call by Wright. Completely out coached by Gard
Fouled by happ
The fact that this keeps happening every year is so damn aggravating
There is no God.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 18, 2017, 04:12:58 PM
All ball.
Terrible play call by Wright. Completely out coached by Gard
Gard did an amazing job dealing with his best players in foul trouble.
COACHING MATTERS.
gone be a loooonnnnggg offseason...
Hayes abused Nova
Quote from: tower912 on March 18, 2017, 04:12:48 PM
Just when I thought Wisconsin couldn't get more calls.......
I thought real Golden State fans don't whine.
Great effort by Wisky, especially with Koenig and Happ in foul trouble most of game. Hayes showed up and out scored them 15 to 5 in last five minutes. Gotta give them credit, BE looking really bad.
Get em next year.
There was no foul. Nova flat out blew it. Seven point lead and multiple empty offensive possessions.
Hayes was incredible these two games. When he plays within himself he is tough.
Quote from: mayfairskatingrink on March 18, 2017, 04:14:33 PM
Gard did an amazing job dealing with his best players in foul trouble.
COACHING MATTERS.
Telling Driscoll not to call any fouls on Happ?
Quote from: mayfairskatingrink on March 18, 2017, 04:14:33 PM
Gard did an amazing job dealing with his best players in foul trouble.
COACHING MATTERS.
Nova going 3 for 6 from the line down the stretch helped too.
My life is over
That fucking sucked.
No problem with that final Hart play. Dude can make that happen a lot. Good no-call.
Great move to swarm Nova on the FT rebound.
This is my nightmare.
Quote from: mayfairskatingrink on March 18, 2017, 04:14:33 PM
Gard did an amazing job dealing with his best players in foul trouble.
COACHING MATTERS.
If doing an amazing job is to hold the ball for 30 seconds each possession and hope the other team misses open shots, then yes, I guess he did an amazing job.
Give it up ta UW. Bucky is so good. Dat's da program ta emulate, ai na?
Quote from: Sultan of Slap O' Fivin' on March 18, 2017, 04:15:56 PM
Hayes was incredible these two games.
Absolutely. Two sensational games.
Koenig's gone next year, you guys.
Can't wait.
damn hero ball.
Big East overrated. Sucks. First it was NC State, now Wisconsin.
Quote from: amen426 on March 18, 2017, 04:19:22 PM
Koenig's gone next year, you guys.
Can't wait.
It just can't come soon enough
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 18, 2017, 04:18:13 PM
Give it up ta UW. Bucky is so good. Dat's da program ta emulate, ai na?
Absolutely! How can you not want to emulate them? 4 sweet sixteens for their seniors.
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 18, 2017, 04:16:41 PM
Telling Driscoll not to call any fouls on Happ?
Calls all went Nova's way in the first 30 minutes.
Hayes just made great plays in the last five minutes.
Quote from: amen426 on March 18, 2017, 04:19:22 PM
Koenig's gone next year, you guys.
Can't wait.
Doesn't seem to matter. They always find someone else to step in. Great program. Happy for them.
Quote from: mayfairskatingrink on March 18, 2017, 04:22:31 PM
Calls all went Nova's way in the first 30 minutes.
Hayes just made great plays in the last five minutes.
Go back to the Wisconsin board, prick.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 18, 2017, 04:23:27 PM
Go back to the Wisconsin board, prick.
You may want to take a breather, bud.
Last 4 years:
Badgers 4 straight sweet 16s. 2 (3?) final fours.
Warriors: one blowout loss to South Carolina.
Make it stop.
Now the question becomes why any decent Wisconsin player would ever want to shun the state program. Sweet Sixteen every freaking year.
Can't wait for their 3 bench points to be thrust into the starting lineup
How the F*** do the defending national champs not get a call on Happ on that last drive?? He bodied him so hard, he hit the floor. I better not EVER EVER hear another Badger fan ever complain about foul calls again after that sh*t.
Quote from: ecompt on March 18, 2017, 04:25:51 PM
Now the question becomes why any decent Wisconsin player would ever want to shun the state program. Sweet Sixteen every freaking year.
Bucky is going to miss those seniors next year. Will be a radically different team.
(https://media.tenor.co/images/d3670d42f655f14c67643726b36da8ec/raw)
Quote from: muguru on March 18, 2017, 04:26:48 PM
How the F*** do the defending national champs not get a call on Happ on that last drive?? He bodied him so hard, he hit the floor. I better not EVER EVER hear another Badger fan ever complain about foul calls again after that sh*t.
Actually, it was Brown that bodied Hart on that play.
I would love to hear the head of officials explain how the Hayes foul wasn't a flagrant 1. Villanova lost on the same foul Seton Hall lost on, except it was called the exact opposite.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 18, 2017, 04:28:45 PM
I would love to hear the head of officials explain how the Hayes foul wasn't a flagrant 1. Villanova lost on the same foul Seton Hall lost on, except it was called the exact opposite.
It was just the tip?
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 18, 2017, 04:28:45 PM
I would love to hear the head of officials explain how the Hayes foul wasn't a flagrant 1. Villanova lost on the same foul Seton Hall lost on, except it was called the exact opposite.
This. I thought the call in the Hall game was awful, but it was literally the same thing minus a dive. Similar call on Wake in play in game. They were bad calls, but if you're going to call it, at least be consistent.
That said, Nova shouldn't have put themselves in that situation. Disappointing for the league.
Quote from: muguru on March 18, 2017, 04:26:48 PM
How the F*** do the defending national champs not get a call on Happ on that last drive?? He bodied him so hard, he hit the floor. I better not EVER EVER hear another Badger fan ever complain about foul calls again after that sh*t.
He sure did. Everyone focused on the block (which was clean) but Happ bodied the shiit out of him
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 18, 2017, 04:28:45 PM
I would love to hear the head of officials explain how the Hayes foul wasn't a flagrant 1. Villanova lost on the same foul Seton Hall lost on, except it was called the exact opposite.
I think that's what they reviewed and determined it wasn't a clear path foul because the ball was going out of bounds
If I was talking to a therapist right now and he asked me to describe my feelings about UW basketball, he would probably say "damn man, you're messed up"
Quote from: MUEng92 on March 18, 2017, 04:34:59 PM
If I was talking to a therapist right now and he asked me to describe my feelings about UW basketball, he would probably say "damn man, you're messed up"
Well for those of you so worried about UW (personally I don't give a crap what they do, but mad they beat Nova), you can take solace in the fact that they're not going to be very good at basketball next year, and maybe for a few years.
Quote from: MUEng92 on March 18, 2017, 04:34:59 PM
If I was talking to a therapist right now and he asked me to describe my feelings about UW basketball, he would probably say "damn man, you're messed up"
"Show me where Nigel Hayes grabbed you"
Ha I just realized UW could play Virginia next. Good lord.
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 18, 2017, 04:34:03 PM
I think that's what they reviewed and determined it wasn't a clear path foul because the ball was going out of bounds
There's no clear path foul in the NCAA.
The Northwestern fans in SLC sound awesome. Impressive.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 18, 2017, 04:28:45 PM
I would love to hear the head of officials explain how the Hayes foul wasn't a flagrant 1. Villanova lost on the same foul Seton Hall lost on, except it was called the exact opposite.
I think the thought was that Hayes couldn't have been preventing a score since the Nova dude didn't have control of the ball.
Bucky played a lot of da game wit major foul problems on kee playas. Dey got a great opportunity ta reach da FF, ai na?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on March 18, 2017, 04:41:17 PM
Bucky played a lot of da game wit major foul problems on kee playas. Dey got a great opportunity ta reach da FF, ai na?
Not really.
Don't know if there was a worse coaching decision in the tourney so far than Wright going zone for the possession that resulted in the Koenig three.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 18, 2017, 04:42:09 PM
Not really.
Of course they do. A senior dominated team like that? They can beat anyone.
We need an exorcist. Can't catch breaks, and our enemies always win. Maybe our resident prophet can help, some of those skills have to be interchangeable.
That was the DEFINITION of an intentional foul..He freaking grabbed his shorts! I don't care if he wasn't preventing a chance to score or not..He never made a play for the ball. This is such BS and what ruins the tourney every year for me. they always get some junk wins they shouldn't, or the bracket blows up for them..I almost guarantee you know Duke loses and after UW beats Florida or Virginia, they will get either South Carolina, Southern cal or Baylor...almost guaranteed.
Gard is an amazing coach, but his true test is next year when loses all of that talent.
Lots of unhappy folks in the NY media who wanted to see a Duke-Nova final at the garden.
Quote from: cheese ball chaser on March 18, 2017, 04:52:26 PM
Gard is an amazing coach, but his true test is next year when loses all of that talent.
Here it is in a nutshell y'all. 7/8 of MU fans are waitin' for Bucky ta fook up. 1/8 of us are gettin' wood just ta make da field. Speaks volumes of wear each is, ai na?
Quote from: muguru on March 18, 2017, 04:50:53 PM
That was the DEFINITION of an intentional foul..He freaking grabbed his shorts! I don't care if he wasn't preventing a chance to score or not..He never made a play for the ball. This is such BS and what ruins the tourney every year for me. they always get some junk wins they shouldn't, or the bracket blows up for them..I almost guarantee you know Duke loses and after UW beats Florida or Virginia, they will get either South Carolina, Southern cal or Baylor...almost guaranteed.
There is no intentional foul. So there cannot be a definition of one.
There is only a flagrant one or two.
Flagrant One.
"Flagrant 1 personal foul. A flagrant 1 personal foul is a personal foul that is deemed excessive in nature and/or unnecessary, but is not based solely on the severity of the act. Examples include, but are not limited to:
1. Causing excessive contact with an opponent;
2. Contact that is not a legitimate attempt to play the ball or player, specifically designed to stop or keep the clock from starting;
3. Pushing or holding a player from behind to prevent a score;"
It was not #1 clearly.
It was not #2 because the clock was running.
The officials deemed it was not #3 because he didn't have control. If he had control, it would have been flagrant.
Quote from: Sultan of Slap O' Fivin' on March 18, 2017, 04:59:18 PM
There is no intentional foul. So there cannot be a definition of one.
There is only a flagrant one or two.
Flagrant One.
"Flagrant 1 personal foul. A flagrant 1 personal foul is a personal foul that is deemed excessive in nature and/or unnecessary, but is not based solely on the severity of the act. Examples include, but are not limited to:
1. Causing excessive contact with an opponent;
2. Contact that is not a legitimate attempt to play the ball or player, specifically designed to stop or keep the clock from starting;
3. Pushing or holding a player from behind to prevent a score;"
It was not #1 clearly.
It was not #2 because the clock was running.
The officials deemed it was not #3 because he didn't have control. If he had control, it would have been flagrant.
Seton Hall lost to Arkansas on a similar play that was deemed a flagrant 1..That gets called, but this one doesn't.
Well I think they based that call on #1. And the call in the Seton Hall game was bad. No doubt. But that doesn't mean another bad call should have been made.
Nova had the game. They blew it. There really isn't much more to say than that.
Quote from: Sultan of Slap O' Fivin' on March 18, 2017, 04:41:05 PM
I think the thought was that Hayes couldn't have been preventing a score since the Nova dude didn't have control of the ball.
In the ref's explanation, he clearly said they determined #10 (DiVincenzo) had control of the ball.
If he had control, which the ref said to the announcers verbatim, then it was a foul with no intent to get the ball. That's a flagrant 1 as explained yesterday after it cost Seton Hall a chance against Arkansas.
Quote from: Sultan of Slap O' Fivin' on March 18, 2017, 05:07:39 PM
Well I think they based that call on #1. And the call in the Seton Hall game was bad. No doubt. But that doesn't mean another bad call should have been made.
Nova had the game. They blew it. There really isn't much more to say than that.
"Pushing or holding a player to prevent a score".
By definition that is an intentional foul. Hayes held the player to prevent a score with no play on the ball. Refs blew the call by its very definition.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 18, 2017, 05:08:36 PM
In the ref's explanation, he clearly said they determined #10 (DiVincenzo) had control of the ball.
If he had control, which the ref said to the announcers verbatim, then it was a foul with no intent to get the ball. That's a flagrant 1 as explained yesterday after it cost Seton Hall a chance against Arkansas.
Exactly! You could hear the official tell the announcer they deemed he had control of the ball
Wow, Duane Wilson tweaking Hayes on twitter for comparing his clutch spin move to Jordan.
Duane Wilson @SwaggyDu1 55m55 minutes ago
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I know this man did not just compare his fake spin move to Michael Jordan. Bruh gotta chill
Quote from: forgetful on March 18, 2017, 05:11:41 PM
"Pushing or holding a player to prevent a score".
By definition that is an intentional foul. Hayes held the player to prevent a score with no play on the ball. Refs blew the call by its very definition.
If what brew said was right regarding control that should be a flagrant foul.
But I thought they said he *didn't* have control of the ball.
Quote from: muguru on March 18, 2017, 05:12:41 PM
Exactly! You could hear the official tell the announcer they deemed he had control of the ball
OK well if that is right, than I stand corrected.
Quote from: Sultan of Slap O' Fivin' on March 18, 2017, 05:14:19 PM
If what brew said was right regarding control that should be a flagrant foul.
But I thought they said he *didn't* have control of the ball.
Got it, I think they said he "did" have control of the ball. In fact I believe he had to have been in control of the foul otherwise it would have been a "team control" foul and no FTs would have been awarded.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 18, 2017, 04:36:30 PM
Well for those of you so worried about UW (personally I don't give a crap what they do, but mad they beat Nova), you can take solace in the fact that they're not going to be very good at basketball next year, and maybe for a few years.
Yeah, I remember thinking the same in 2013-14 when Evans, Berggren, and Brusewicz graduated. They were building a team around sophomore Sam Dekker, Ben Brust, and a bunch of scrubs.
Those scrubs were injured former walk on Josh Gasser, terrible efficiency guard Traveon Jackson, three-star freshmen Nigel Hayes & Bronson Koenig, and little used backup big man Frank Kaminsky.
Two Final Fours later and they seemed doomed with Hayes, Koenig, and a bunch of scrubs. Bo quit in disgrace, leaving redshirt freshman Ethan Happ, low efficiency big Vitto Brown, former walk on Zak Showalter...and now it's two Sweet Sixteens later.
I'm not writing them off because it's Ethan Happ and a bunch of scrubs.
Quote from: mayfairskatingrink on March 18, 2017, 05:13:32 PM
Wow, Duane Wilson tweaking Hayes on twitter for comparing his clutch spin move to Jordan.
Duane Wilson @SwaggyDu1 55m55 minutes ago
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I know this man did not just compare his fake spin move to Michael Jordan. Bruh gotta chill
There are a lot of athletes in this Zag/NW game
Ouch, NW making comeback, down five. Collins goes ballistic and get teed up, two free throws made. Now down eight
CBS killing the game with crowd shots, especially some whiney kid and Ms. Dreyfus........
Quote from: nyg on March 18, 2017, 06:29:07 PM
Ouch, NW making comeback, down five. Collins goes ballistic and get teed up, two free throws made. Now down eight
CBS killing the game with crowd shots, especially some whiney kid and Ms. Dreyfus........
To be fair, he was right about the blown call.
Quote from: nyg on March 18, 2017, 06:29:07 PM
Ouch, NW making comeback, down five. Collins goes ballistic and get teed up, two free throws made. Now down eight
CBS killing the game with crowd shots, especially some whiney kid and Ms. Dreyfus........
Really classy making fun of a 10 year old...
Quote from: Cooby Snacks on March 18, 2017, 06:31:21 PM
To be fair, he was right about the blown call.
Yup, second missed goaltending of the game. BS flagrant call on Benson earlier, Zags flopping all over the place.
Making fun? Not really, just want to watch the game, not some kid's constant silly reactions.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 18, 2017, 06:34:10 PM
Yup, second missed goaltending of the game. BS flagrant call on Benson earlier, Zags flopping all over the place.
Was the "BS" flagrant for the elbow to the head on the screen, or was there a different one I missed? Because that elbow was a clear flagrant.
Quote from: drewm88 on March 18, 2017, 06:39:52 PM
Was the "BS" flagrant for the elbow to the head on the screen, or was there a different one I missed? Because that elbow was a clear flagrant.
Dunno, haven't watched the game since 15 minutes left in the first half. My twitter feed just blew up when it happened though.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 18, 2017, 06:43:16 PM
Dunno, haven't watched the game since 15 minutes left in the first half. My twitter feed just blew up when it happened though.
Wait, so you're basing your opinions of the officiating on the angry tweets of fans? I don't think you're going to get an objective look that way.
On the flagrant, the defender was slipping under the screen, so he got wider by throwing his elbow out at head level. Pretty clear.
Go X.
Officially the worst 24 hours in sports history. I'm done, it aint worth it.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 18, 2017, 06:51:04 PM
Officially the worst 24 hours in sports history. I'm done, it aint worth it.
See you in a couple of days.
Quote from: nyg on March 18, 2017, 06:36:01 PM
Making fun? Not really, just want to watch the game, not some kid's constant silly reactions.
They were showing him so much I assumed that it was Collins's kid.
Quote from: Eldon on March 18, 2017, 06:54:01 PM
They were showing him so much I assumed that it was Collins's kid.
Yes, now the kids viral all over internet.
Back to games, who would ever think X would beat Maryland and blow out Fl. State. Good for them.
I thought showing the crying kid multiple times was really of poor taste by CBS.
Quote from: nyg on March 18, 2017, 07:00:19 PM
Yes, now the kids viral all over internet.
Back to games, who would ever think X would beat Maryland and blow out Fl. State. Good for them.
Mack must
really want that IU job.
Quote from: Sultan of Slap O' Fivin' on March 18, 2017, 07:00:43 PM
I thought showing the crying kid multiple times was really of poor taste by CBS.
While actually pretty hilarious, I agree.
I feel that kids emotions. I don't quite get to tears, but my reactions to an MU game in the tourney wouldn't be too different! lol
Quote from: Sultan of Slap O' Fivin' on March 18, 2017, 07:00:43 PM
I thought showing the crying kid multiple times was really of poor taste by CBS.
Agree especially since they basically know it will be plastered all over the internet immediately. Kinda Irresponsible
Quote from: nyg on March 18, 2017, 07:00:19 PM
Yes, now the kids viral all over internet.
Back to games, who would ever think X would beat Maryland and blow out Fl. State. Good for them.
Me. Although I thought today would be over FGCU. That was an incredible draw for them, as was Butler's.
Really impressed with Macura's ability to run the offense lately. You can tell he's not a natural PG, but he's picked up a lot of the slack from Sumner's injury.
Quote from: muguru on March 18, 2017, 05:04:36 PM
Seton Hall lost to Arkansas on a similar play that was deemed a flagrant 1..That gets called, but this one doesn't.
1. So you're saying a call that pretty much every one agrees was a terrible call should be some kind of precedent ?
2. That call didn't cost SH the game--- they managed to lose it all on their own.
Quote from: nyg on March 18, 2017, 07:00:19 PM
Yes, now the kids viral all over internet.
Back to games, who would ever think X would beat Maryland and blow out Fl. State. Good for them.
I called that in all of my brackets.
Quote from: Mutaman on March 18, 2017, 07:28:51 PM
1. So you're saying a call that pretty much every one agrees was a terrible call should be some kind of precedent ?
2. That call didn't cost SH the game--- they managed to lose it all on their own.
The point is when the head of officials has to come out and tell the country on national TV why the call was correct, making a big deal of it, it's a terrible and inconsistent look when the exact same thing happens less than 24 hours later and the call made is there exact opposite of what the head of officials just said.
So yeah, they set a precedent, the head of officials went out of his way to explain why that precedent was correct, and it took them less than a day to go against the precedent.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 18, 2017, 07:41:59 PM
The point is when the head of officials has to come out and tell the country on national TV why the call was correct, making a big deal of it, it's a terrible and inconsistent look when the exact same thing happens less than 24 hours later and the call made is there exact opposite of what the head of officials just said.
So yeah, they set a precedent, the head of officials went out of his way to explain why that precedent was correct, and it took them less than a day to go against the precedent.
Well, if he said that, the head of officials is an idiot and hopefully no one will pay attention to him.
Actually this is what he said:
"The referees have to officiate the play for its own merits. And that makes a really difficult situation. The rule is ... contact that is not an attempt to play the ball or player, specifically designed to stop or keep the clock from running. And when a player puts two hands in the back and doesn't make any attempt to play the ball or the player in front of him, it's an F1 foul."
Translation: It was a really bad call but i have to defend my refs so this is the best I can do.
Is there really anybody out there who wants the officials deciding games instead of the players? And if that means going easy on the technical literal wording of the rule book in the last minute or two, so be it. Use a little common sense.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 18, 2017, 07:41:59 PM
The point is when the head of officials has to come out and tell the country on national TV why the call was correct, making a big deal of it, it's a terrible and inconsistent look when the exact same thing happens less than 24 hours later and the call made is there exact opposite of what the head of officials just said.
So yeah, they set a precedent, the head of officials went out of his way to explain why that precedent was correct, and it took them less than a day to go against the precedent.
I don't think it was the same at all. Seton Hall's foul had much stronger contact, plus the incidental trip. Hayes didn't get DiVincenzo much at all by comparison.
Quote from: Sultan of Slap O' Fivin' on March 18, 2017, 07:00:43 PM
I thought showing the crying kid multiple times was really of poor taste by CBS.
But this is kind of funny...
https://twitter.com/SWXLindsayJoy/status/843240515998953474
Quote from: mayfairskatingrink on March 18, 2017, 05:13:32 PM
Wow, Duane Wilson tweaking Hayes on twitter for comparing his clutch spin move to Jordan.
Duane Wilson @SwaggyDu1 55m55 minutes ago
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I know this man did not just compare his fake spin move to Michael Jordan. Bruh gotta chill
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 18, 2017, 08:12:54 PM
He should really stay off Twitter. His obsession with Hayes is pretty pathetic. Last Buzz recruit, hope he goes away.
Ugh...just stop.
CBSSports just had a great Jay Wright stat: He has made it out of the first weekend just ONCE in his last seven tries. Of course, that once was a title.
Quote from: Sultan of Slap O' Fivin' on March 18, 2017, 08:13:59 PM
Ugh...just stop.
http://www.sbnation.com/2017/3/18/14968936/nigel-hayes-game-winner-wisconsin-villanova-michael-jordan?utm_campaign=sbnation.social&utm_medium=social&utm_content=sbnation&utm_source=facebook
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 18, 2017, 08:33:43 PM
http://www.sbnation.com/2017/3/18/14968936/nigel-hayes-game-winner-wisconsin-villanova-michael-jordan?utm_campaign=sbnation.social&utm_medium=social&utm_content=sbnation&utm_source=facebook
I don't care about that. It's the "hope he goes away" bullsh*t.
Quote from: drewm88 on March 18, 2017, 08:02:28 PM
I don't think it was the same at all. Seton Hall's foul had much stronger contact, plus the incidental trip. Hayes didn't get DiVincenzo much at all by comparison.
I despise Wisky, but that was the right call. Not for one second did the Nova player have possession of the ball. Nova choked by missing three FTs and playing miserable defense down the stretch.
Quote from: ecompt on March 18, 2017, 08:30:07 PM
CBSSports just had a great Jay Wright stat: He has made it out of the first weekend just ONCE in his last seven tries. Of course, that once was a title.
Sign me up.
Quote from: drewm88 on March 18, 2017, 08:02:28 PM
I don't think it was the same at all. Seton Hall's foul had much stronger contact, plus the incidental trip. Hayes didn't get DiVincenzo much at all by comparison.
Contact that is not an attempt to play the ball or player. It was the same.
Burton putting on his best bad JJJ performance. Standing around on D, losing his man and jacking up ill advised shots. Throw in a bad foul and it is a complete performance.
Swanigan though...
Quote from: Sultan of Slap O' Fivin' on March 18, 2017, 10:08:38 PM
Swanigan though...
He will be a solid NBA player, he can even step out and hit the 3
Nice run by the Cyclones. Deonte can still score.
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 18, 2017, 10:36:03 PM
Nice run by the Cyclones. Deonte can still score.
That's all he can do, and given this team's weaknesses, he's not that missed
Quote from: GooooMarquette on March 18, 2017, 10:36:03 PM
Nice run by the Cyclones. Deonte can still score.
Yes he can, but not very efficiently. 9-20. Zero assists. He is what he is though, and explosive and exciting scorer and a great individual/kid.
Glad he's having success, he deserves it.
If he was ever dialed in 100% in all facets of the game, he'd be a perennial NBA all-star. He has the talent.
Quote from: forgetful on March 18, 2017, 10:47:14 PM
Yes he can, but not very efficiently. 9-20. Zero assists. He is what he is though, and explosive and exciting scorer and a great individual/kid.
Glad he's having success, he deserves it.
If he was ever dialed in 100% in all facets of the game, he'd be a perennial NBA all-star. He has the talent.
Come on now. He's a fun athlete to watch. But he's also roughly the size of an NBA PG who has absolutely no ability to do anything beyond athletic. Every single person in the NBA can hang with him athletically, whereas in college very few can. I'd take Vander Blue on an NBA team any day of the week over Burton.
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 18, 2017, 10:39:07 PM
That's all he can do, and given this team's weaknesses, he's not that missed
He could play on my team.
6-5 with his strength, athleticism, and ability to score could still find minutes at the next level... if he played defense.
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 18, 2017, 11:02:49 PM
6-5 with his strength, athleticism, and ability to score could still find minutes at the next level... if he played defense.
This is what I was referring to. He is a freak of nature athlete. If he fought/battled 100% on both ends at all time he could be a Barkley type player. Problem is he only dials in when he wants to.
Quote from: forgetful on March 18, 2017, 10:06:29 PM
Burton putting on his best bad JJJ performance. Standing around on D, losing his man and jacking up ill advised shots. Throw in a bad foul and it is a complete performance.
Don't know what game you were watching. Spectacular 2nd half, including an unbelievable block of a Swanigan dunk attempt! And zero turnovers - wish our guys were that strong with the ball.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 18, 2017, 11:19:45 PM
Don't know what game you were watching. Spectacular 2nd half, including an unbelievable block of a Swanigan dunk attempt! And zero turnovers - wish our guys were that strong with the ball.
Based on the post time...he posted after first half. Which was not favorable to ISU.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on March 18, 2017, 11:19:45 PM
Don't know what game you were watching. Spectacular 2nd half, including an unbelievable block of a Swanigan dunk attempt! And zero turnovers - wish our guys were that strong with the ball.
I posted that when he was 4-13, with zero assists and just standing around watching everyone on D. That was posted at the end of the 1st half right after making a stupid foul...hence the JJJ impersonation.
He finished making 5 of his last 7. His block was fantastic.
I really like the kid, he's exciting to watch, see my other posts, but he is an inefficient player, much like JJJ.
Quote from: forgetful on March 18, 2017, 11:08:40 PM
This is what I was referring to. He is a freak of nature athlete. If he fought/battled 100% on both ends at all time he could be a Barkley type player. Problem is he only dials in when he wants to.
I don't recall this particular criticism when he played at MU. Did he recently develop Randy Moss syndrome or has he always had it?
I begrudgingly admire what Wisconsin has established as a program, and I have been impressed by the work they are doing in this year's tourney. Yesterday was an outstanding example of clutch play against an outstanding opponent.
And yet ...
For all of the accolades Nova deservingly received last season and this, I was disappointed in the way they defended (or didn't defend) Koenig in the final couple of minutes.
Gard ran the most basic play in the book - have his best 3-point shooter inbound the ball and then come back inbounds to take the pass for a 3 - and Nova left him wide open. I mean, I ran that play the last three years for the girls middle-school team I coach - seriously. And 12 years ago, my daughter won a high school game on the exact same play. Every team at almost every level runs some version of it. Yesterday, I was yelling at the TV, "Watch Koenig for the return pass!" And yet Wright's defending national champions weren't ready for it. Ugh.
Still, Koenig had to make the shot, something he has done in the clutch over and over and over again. He will be severely missed next season, as will Hayes, but I'm with those who caution not to underestimate Wisconsin. Effen Bucky.
As for Nova ...
Another Scooper referred to the CBS note on all of Wright's early exits, most of them coming with his team seeded 1 or 2. Had he not won the title the one time they got past the opening weekend, would he be a failure as a coach?
I know, that's actually the kind of "impossible hypothetical" I hate when others ask it, but I do think it's an interesting question.
I say no, I'd still regard him as a great coach any program would want, but there are those who base everything on tournament success.
I think some fans would absolutely question Wright's ability as a coach if not for Nova's one run last season.The same people likely questioned Peyton Manning until he won the big one. Wright is a brilliant coach who did not coach brilliantly Saturday.
Quote from: ecompt on March 19, 2017, 12:54:20 PM
I think some fans would absolutely question Wright's ability as a coach if not for Nova's one run last season.The same people likely questioned Peyton Manning until he won the big one. Wright is a brilliant coach who did not coach brilliantly Saturday.
He coached fine yesterday. But, Some of the players came up short.
Moving on to Sunday's game, Louisville is one of the dumbest teams I have ever seen. Absolutely freaking clueless.
Quote from: Nukem2 on March 19, 2017, 12:56:35 PM
He coached fine yesterday. But, Some of the players came up short.
As a guy who coaches, who played 100 years ago and who used to critique coaches/players as a newspaper schlub, I will say it's never easy to decide who to "blame."
As a rule, it's a "buck stops here" deal, and it's hard not to "blame" Wright for his players blowing such a simple, common assignment.
Quote from: Sultan of Slap O' Fivin' on March 18, 2017, 10:08:38 PM
Swanigan though...
My 2013 public notes on Swanigan... he later reclassified up a year like Markus...