- Location sucks, but I like the SC matchup. Duke, not so much. Guard your ankles, boys.
- Providence v USC again?
- If we beat SC and Duke, our reward is two more at MSG? FML.
- Gonzaga and St Mary's being in the same region is BS. Seriously, BS.
- Vanderbilt avoiding Dayton? Sure. A 9-seed? WTF?
- Milwaukee gets all 4s and 5s. Uhh...yay?
- MSU a 9? Uhh...
- Conference tournaments matter? Vanderbilt, K State, Duke (4 to 2)?
- Conference tournaments don't matter? Wisconsin, Purdue, Duke (Not a 1)?
- There won't be a 16/1 upset, but if there is, my money is on UNC-Central, if they escape Dayton.
- UNC, Kentucky, UCLA in the same bracket? That should be fun (Go Butler).
- Wichita State a 10?!? Is that to save Gonzaga from seeing them again? Should've been a 6.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 12, 2017, 06:41:06 PM
- Location sucks, but I like the SC matchup. Duke, not so much. Guard your ankles, boys.
- Providence v USC again?
- If we beat SC and Duke, our reward is two more at MSG? FML.
- Gonzaga and St Mary's being in the same region is BS. Seriously, BS.
- Vanderbilt avoiding Dayton? Sure. A 9-seed? WTF?
- Milwaukee gets all 4s and 5s. Uhh...yay?
- MSU a 9? Uhh...
- Conference tournaments matter? Vanderbilt, K State, Duke (4 to 2)?
- Conference tournaments don't matter? Wisconsin, Purdue, Duke (Not a 1)?
- There won't be a 16/1 upset, but if there is, my money is on UNC-Central, if they escape Dayton.
- UNC, Kentucky, UCLA in the same bracket? That should be fun (Go Butler).
- Wichita State a 10?!? Is that to save Gonzaga from seeing them again? Should've been a 6.
Nice recap.
One additional thought: Minnesota a 5 while Wisconsin gets an 8? Beyond bizarre. Yet, nice to see, for once, Wisconsin gets hose bagged with a seeding and doesn't get to play in own backyard as is usually the case.
Regarding Milwaukee and the 4s and 5s, someone did a mock selection and predicted both butler and Purdue in Milwaukee despite the Indianapolis location. Because they were seeded higher, Kentucky and Louisville got first dibs on that location.
I don't see what the big deal is regarding Gonzaga and St. Mary's. They would meet in the Elite 8.
My darkhorse: SMU.
If you only have 2 teams from a conference, put them in different regions. It's not like trying to balance ACC or Big East teams.
UNC, Kentucky and UCLA in South. Thats a bracket.....
USC was the last team in. Providence fell to the opening round after the URI win.
Cincinnati and SMU #6 seeds. AAC is getting nailed on the seed line every year. Thank god the C7 left.
Milwaukee site is awesome. No 1-16 or 2-15 match-ups. All double digits seeds won their regular season of their league and have great crowds.
Jerry Palm got 68/68.
ESPN is having a cry fest over Syracuse.
A ton of brackets got the entire field correct. There was no deviation from the final Bracket Matrix and it looks like 2/3 of the brackets had 68/68.
Seeding on the other hand...
Does Reinhardt become first guy to be in tourney with 3 teams?
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 12, 2017, 06:41:06 PM
- Location sucks, but I like the SC matchup. Duke, not so much. Guard your ankles, boys.
- Providence v USC again?
- If we beat SC and Duke, our reward is two more at MSG? FML.
- Gonzaga and St Mary's being in the same region is BS. Seriously, BS.
- Vanderbilt avoiding Dayton? Sure. A 9-seed? WTF?
- Milwaukee gets all 4s and 5s. Uhh...yay?
- MSU a 9? Uhh...
- Conference tournaments matter? Vanderbilt, K State, Duke (4 to 2)?
- Conference tournaments don't matter? Wisconsin, Purdue, Duke (Not a 1)?
- There won't be a 16/1 upset, but if there is, my money is on UNC-Central, if they escape Dayton.
- UNC, Kentucky, UCLA in the same bracket? That should be fun (Go Butler).
- Wichita State a 10?!? Is that to save Gonzaga from seeing them again? Should've been a 6.
STM won't get passed Zona, so will not matter.
Quote from: CAGASS24 on March 12, 2017, 07:12:23 PM
Does Reinhardt become first guy to be in tourney with 3 teams?
Thought I read somewhere that he is the second person to do it.
Man, all the talking heads are big time bullish on Rhode Island, and picking them over Creighton and potentially Oregon.
Nobody is talking about MU. Other than Barkley saying he likes us a sleeper. Haven't heard one guy on CBS Sports Network or ESPN so much as mention anything about MU.
Quote from: We R Final Four on March 12, 2017, 07:16:00 PM
STM won't get passed Zona, so will not matter.
Ask Oregon if conference tournaments matter? They lost a stud for the NCAA. Lonzo Ball messed up his wrist and Ryan Leaf hurt his ankle for UCLA. The league tourneys are a crapshoot.
Agree, STM will get drilled by Zona
Quote from: Tower913 on March 12, 2017, 07:29:00 PM
Man, all the talking heads are big time bullish on Rhode Island, and picking them over Creighton and potentially Oregon.
Nobody is talking about MU. Other than Barkley saying he likes us a sleeper. Haven't heard one guy on CBS Sports Network or ESPN so much as mention anything about MU.
Seth Greenberg picked Marquette
Quote from: ChuckyChip on March 12, 2017, 07:16:13 PM
Thought I read somewhere that he is the second person to do it.
Correct Sir! At least according to #MUBB
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/841078684584951808 (https://twitter.com/i/web/status/841078684584951808)
It always seems to work out for the best when we fly under the radar.
Let them continue to talk about everyone else. We will just do our thing.
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 12, 2017, 07:29:27 PM
Ask Oregon if conference tournaments matter? They lost a stud for the NCAA. Lonzo Ball messed up his wrist and Ryan Leaf hurt his ankle for UCLA. The league tourneys are a crapshoot.
Agree, STM will get drilled by Zona
Ryan Leaf wouldn't be of much use to them anyways :)
South Dakota state will beat gonzaga
How Wisconsin got an 8 when Minnesota got a 5, maryland got a 6, and Northwestern got an 8 is unbelievable.
I actually think Wisconsin matches up really well against Villanova in a second round game.
Nova has a very tough potential road with Wisconsin, Florida, and Duke if you go by the highest seeds in each round.
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on March 12, 2017, 07:37:32 PM
South Dakota state will beat gonzaga
Maybe if Gonzaga's plane crashes on the way to the arena. Otherwise I don't see it.
Badgers got hosed which means Nova got hosed. Go Buzz.
If I have tickets for Milwaukee, I'm pumped. Avoid the 1 and 2 seed sleepers like Panther mentioned.
bucky reeks last 10 games-go buzz
gophers a 5?? keeping the 5/12 curse alive and well-at least the coffee won't get cold
wichita state-don't shed any tears here-kentucky is the most beatable 2
rhode island? everyone's fav sleeper? then why 11 seed? if they were located anywhere but out east-snore
careful of smu-they will be in the sweet 16 and shouldn't be a surprise
ucla's sleep walkin to the final 4, oh, lavar meet timothy-good thing lonz is real good...and playin da point...phew!
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on March 12, 2017, 07:37:32 PM
South Dakota state will beat gonzaga
+1
But I am alumni so I have to think that way.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 12, 2017, 06:41:06 PM
- Location sucks, but I like the SC matchup. Duke, not so much. Guard your ankles, boys.
- Providence v USC again?
- If we beat SC and Duke, our reward is two more at MSG? FML.
- Gonzaga and St Mary's being in the same region is BS. Seriously, BS.
- Vanderbilt avoiding Dayton? Sure. A 9-seed? WTF?
- Milwaukee gets all 4s and 5s. Uhh...yay?
- MSU a 9? Uhh...
- Conference tournaments matter? Vanderbilt, K State, Duke (4 to 2)?
- Conference tournaments don't matter? Wisconsin, Purdue, Duke (Not a 1)?
- There won't be a 16/1 upset, but if there is, my money is on UNC-Central, if they escape Dayton.
- UNC, Kentucky, UCLA in the same bracket? That should be fun (Go Butler).
- Wichita State a 10?!? Is that to save Gonzaga from seeing them again? Should've been a 6.
PC USC explained among other things
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/18894740/ncaa-tournament-chair-mark-hollis-explains-seeding-duke-blue-devils-wichita-state-shockers
Quote from: We R Final Four on March 12, 2017, 07:16:00 PM
STM won't get passed Zona, so will not matter.
Maybe not, but FWIW St Mary's would be favored by Pomeroy. Landale is tough. I expect I'll pick Zona, but it's entirely possible St Mary's could get through. Put them in any other region and it's not even a talking point, so why do it?
MSU#9? ....Most years I wouldn't argue but this year I just don't think they deserve it. I could be wrong but the Big? is crap this year...
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 12, 2017, 08:58:22 PM
Maybe not, but FWIW St Mary's would be favored by Pomeroy. Landale is tough. I expect I'll pick Zona, but it's entirely possible St Mary's could get through. Put them in any other region and it's not even a talking point, so why do it?
Is anyone talking about it?
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on March 12, 2017, 09:01:24 PM
Is anyone talking about it?
I was going to say the same thing. Didn't even think twice about it.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 12, 2017, 08:58:22 PM
Maybe not, but FWIW St Mary's would be favored by Pomeroy. Landale is tough. I expect I'll pick Zona, but it's entirely possible St Mary's could get through. Put them in any other region and it's not even a talking point, so why do it?
Keep them closer to home.
Was watching the show with my Badger friends. When the first 8/9 game was being announced, one of them joking blurted out "Wisconsin" and the next word out of Greg Gumbel's mouth was, in fact, "Wisconsin." LOL! Shocked silence, followed by them being pi$$ed off for the rest of the show. Minnesota a 5 and Maryland a 6 made them even more upset.
I then called out "Marquette" when the 10 seed came up. Sure enough! Of course, I was actually pleased to be a 10 seed, avoid Dayton, and end the suspense early. It sure is nice to here the old alma mater called on selection Sunday!
that last pick i was so nervous i really wanted X to get it
The two things that surprised me most: That a 7-seed was basically given a home game and that Vandy was a 9 seed.
I really like Rhode Island, so I was pissed when all the yakkers started picking them. Now I almost feel like I can't.
It will be awesome when Butler wins that region over UNC, Ky and UCLA!
I am a little puzzled about MN as a 5 and WI as an 8 - but at the same time am busy trying to plan a trip to MKE to watch them play. WI is naturally upset about the seed, but more importantly they are upset about going up against a team whose coach knows the badger system well. It will be interesting to see what VPI will do with them.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 12, 2017, 06:41:06 PM
- Location sucks, but I like the SC matchup. Duke, not so much. Guard your ankles, boys.
- Providence v USC again?
- If we beat SC and Duke, our reward is two more at MSG? FML.
- Gonzaga and St Mary's being in the same region is BS. Seriously, BS.
- Vanderbilt avoiding Dayton? Sure. A 9-seed? WTF?
- Milwaukee gets all 4s and 5s. Uhh...yay?
- MSU a 9? Uhh...
- Conference tournaments matter? Vanderbilt, K State, Duke (4 to 2)?
- Conference tournaments don't matter? Wisconsin, Purdue, Duke (Not a 1)?
- There won't be a 16/1 upset, but if there is, my money is on UNC-Central, if they escape Dayton.
- UNC, Kentucky, UCLA in the same bracket? That should be fun (Go Butler).
- Wichita State a 10?!? Is that to save Gonzaga from seeing them again? Should've been a 6.
Bilas picked us to beat South Carolina. I am delighted we are in the tournament and just want to see our guys fight hard every possession.
Confused why everyone thinks East Tennessee State will win
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on March 12, 2017, 10:53:05 PM
Confused why everyone thinks East Tennessee State will win
Because they're just a solid team like SF Austin last year and Minnesota is meh.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 12, 2017, 11:00:01 PM
Because they're just a solid team like SF Austin last year and Minnesota is meh.
That's the JayBee bat signal!
Quote from: mupanther on March 12, 2017, 06:58:02 PM
ESPN is having a cry fest over Syracuse.
Vitale and Bilas.
Every other article about Syracuse says they didn't deserve a bid.
Quote from: ChitownSpaceForRent on March 12, 2017, 11:00:01 PM
Because they're just a solid team like SF Austin last year and Minnesota is meh.
But ETSU plays Florida.
Quote from: MUeagle1090 on March 12, 2017, 11:08:40 PM
But ETSU plays Florida.
Definitely read that as Middle Tennessee St. Oops, stupid directional universities.
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on March 12, 2017, 10:53:05 PM
Confused why everyone thinks East Tennessee State will win
Because they can score from all over. Coached by former Pearl assistant Steve Forbes.
Quote from: Marquette Fan In NY on March 12, 2017, 10:50:21 PM
Bilas picked us to beat South Carolina. I am delighted we are in the tournament and just want to see our guys fight hard every possession.
Really Good that the team and Wojo has your support.
Colin Cowherd just now commenting on Duke and the east bracket paraphrased "Duke has a very tough bracket, with Villanova.....and Marquette".
Quote from: geagles10 on March 13, 2017, 11:16:28 AM
Colin Cowherd just now commenting on Duke and the east bracket paraphrased "Duke has a very tough bracket, with Villanova.....and Marquette".
Everyone in the East region should be worried about Marquette and hoping they get bounced before they have to face them. An uptempo, efficient offense is not the team you want to face in March.
Quote from: Benny B on March 13, 2017, 11:35:41 AM
Everyone in the East region should be worried about Marquette and hoping they get bounced before they have to face them. An uptempo, efficient offense is not the team you want to face in March.
Lets just win the first game
Quote from: geagles10 on March 13, 2017, 11:16:28 AM
Colin Cowherd just now commenting on Duke and the east bracket paraphrased "Duke has a very tough bracket, with Villanova.....and Marquette".
Colin is not an in-depth College Basketball guy. He also has the Badgers Beating Nova.
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on March 13, 2017, 11:57:38 AM
Lets just win the first game
You literally just said this earlier this morning:
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on March 13, 2017, 07:35:30 AM
We are going to beat SC then beat duke.
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on March 13, 2017, 12:00:37 PM
You literally just said this earlier this morning:
A lot can change in four hours, haha!
Quote from: Dr. Vinnie Boombatz on March 13, 2017, 12:00:37 PM
You literally just said this earlier this morning:
Yup then i realized i was wrong. I think we can beat duke but need to win the first
Quote from: MomofMUltiples on March 12, 2017, 10:38:09 PM
I am a little puzzled about MN as a 5 and WI as an 8 - but at the same time am busy trying to plan a trip to MKE to watch them play. WI is naturally upset about the seed, but more importantly they are upset about going up against a team whose coach knows the badger system well. It will be interesting to see what VPI will do with them.
Down the stretch Minnesota was 8-2 while Wisconsin was 4-6.
Now go look at RPI and SOS of those teams.
That should tell you all you need to know about why they were seeded where they were.
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on March 13, 2017, 11:57:38 AM
Lets just win the first game
I don't know...I'm kind of a fan of "if you've got several jobs to do, you ought to do the hardest one first." So, I'd encourage Wojo and the boys to beat Duke first, and then tackle South Carolina.
Quote from: Benny B on March 13, 2017, 11:35:41 AM
Everyone in the East region in the tournament field should be worried about Marquette and hoping they get bounced before they have to face them. An uptempo, efficient offense is not the team you want to face in March.
You think we're stopping at the East Region? I already put in for Phoenix through the Marquette ticket office!
Anyone looking for a laugh, go visit the buckyville forum and peep the thread titled "F'ing 8 seed!"..... They were absolutely flipping out about that and it got even funnier when Minnesota was announced as a 5.
Quote from: RKMU123 on March 13, 2017, 02:03:45 PM
Anyone looking for a laugh, go visit the buckyville forum and peep the thread titled "F'ing 8 seed!"..... They were absolutely flipping out about that and it got even funnier when Minnesota was announced as a 5.
I've got a new strategy this year... every matchup, I am going to pick against the team whose fans are bitching the most about their seed. Maybe the committee is smarter than people say they think they are.
Quote from: Benny B on March 13, 2017, 02:09:37 PM
I've got a new strategy this year... every matchup, I am going to pick against the team whose fans are bitching the most about their seed. Maybe the committee is smarter than people say they think they are.
A while back my wife got me a button with " The more you Bitch, the longer God let you Live."
Quote from: GoldenEagles32 on March 12, 2017, 07:37:32 PM
South Dakota state will beat gonzaga
Congrats you made Scoop Takes!
Quote from: RKMU123 on March 13, 2017, 02:03:45 PM
Anyone looking for a laugh, go visit the buckyville forum and peep the thread titled "F'ing 8 seed!"..... They were absolutely flipping out about that and it got even funnier when Minnesota was announced as a 5.
If Bucky was a 4 or a 5 then they probably would have played in Milwaukee. The way they sucked down the stretch, no way they deserved to get an in-state game. They have had plenty of them in the past and didn't earn it this year.
Also, an overseeded MN does not mean that the Badgers are wrongly seeded by more than one line.
Quote from: Badgerhater on March 14, 2017, 09:00:26 AMAlso, an overseeded MN does not mean that the Badgers are wrongly seeded by more than one line.
This 1,000 times. So many Badger fans are obsessed with their seed because of Minnesota. Yes, Minnesota was wrong, but so were a number of teams. One conference mate being overseeded doesn't mean what they did to your team was criminal.
Badgers maybe should have been a 7, but nothing better. That is what happens when you only have 4 top 50 wins.
As happy as I am to finally see Bucky not get the benefit of the doubt this year, I saw this five-thirty-eight article that offers a variety of rankings for each team, and according to the models, it does look like UW got a seed that was probably 2, maybe even 3 lower than what seems right.
The same models would suggest that we should have been seeded as a likely 8, and that SC is probably the better fit at a 10. Ironically, the only ranking category that has SC as a top 28 team (ie- 7 seed material) is the least mathematically sound method - the selection committee. If you put much weight in the models, which I think a number of us do, then it looks like the committee really botched the seeding for a lot of teams in the East.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/its-crowded-at-the-top-of-the-ncaa-tournament/ (https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/its-crowded-at-the-top-of-the-ncaa-tournament/)
Wasn't New Orleans talking about dropping to D3 sometime after Buzz left there? What happened to that?
Quote from: Skitch on March 14, 2017, 07:49:56 PM
Wasn't New Orleans talking about dropping to D3 sometime after Buzz left there? What happened to that?
Fired their President. Seems to follow Buzz.
You got to wonder with the B1G Championship ending 30 minutes before the brackets come out. If Wisconsin beat Michigan, is Wisconsin a #5 in Milwaukee and Minnesota an #8 in Buffalo.
Quote from: mupanther on March 14, 2017, 08:02:16 PM
You got to wonder with the B1G Championship ending 30 minutes before the brackets come out. If Wisconsin beat Michigan, is Wisconsin a #5 in Milwaukee and Minnesota an #8 in Buffalo.
Committee member said that winner of Mich Wisco game got 7, loser 8.
SMU and MN should be flipped.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 14, 2017, 08:04:34 PM
Committee member said that winner of Mich Wisco game got 7, loser 8.
SMU and MN should be flipped.
I'm guessing that was Mark Hollis who said that on CBS. Thanks.
Quote from: Benny B on March 13, 2017, 11:35:41 AM
Everyone in the East region should be worried about Marquette and hoping they get bounced before they have to face them. An uptempo, efficient offense is not the team you want to face in March.
I assume that is how you voted in the poll?
Is it okay to root for everyone but Xavier?
Quote from: Badgerhater on March 14, 2017, 09:00:26 AM
If Bucky was a 4 or a 5 then they probably would have played in Milwaukee. The way they sucked down the stretch, no way they deserved to get an in-state game.
How in the world did our opponent get a home game as a No. 7 seed then?
Still trying to figure that one out.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on March 15, 2017, 01:02:03 PM
Is it okay to root for everyone but Xavier?
Cooley lost tonight so we need Xavier.
Florida Gulf Coast wins their first game.
Quote from: MU82 on March 15, 2017, 10:45:37 PM
How in the world did our opponent get a home game as a No. 7 seed then?
Still trying to figure that one out.
That has to be one of the most baffling decisions. They should've swapped St. Mary's and South Carolina. We didn't play St. Mary's, USC didn't play VCU. No home-court advantage for either 7-seed in the Round of 64, keep Gonzaga and St. Mary's in different regions, and no SEC team for SC to face until potentially Vandy in the Elite 8.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 16, 2017, 07:50:00 AM
That has to be one of the most baffling decisions. They should've swapped St. Mary's and South Carolina. We didn't play St. Mary's, USC didn't play VCU. No home-court advantage for either 7-seed in the Round of 64, keep Gonzaga and St. Mary's in different regions, and no SEC team for SC to face until potentially Vandy in the Elite 8.
That makes sense, brew.
I think I'd rather play SC than St. Mary's, but I sure wish it wasn't just up the road from Columbia.
I'll be cheering like heck!
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 16, 2017, 07:50:00 AM
That has to be one of the most baffling decisions. They should've swapped St. Mary's and South Carolina. We didn't play St. Mary's, USC didn't play VCU. No home-court advantage for either 7-seed in the Round of 64, keep Gonzaga and St. Mary's in different regions, and no SEC team for SC to face until potentially Vandy in the Elite 8.
Or even flip locations with Mich / Ok State and our game is in Indy, and they play in SC. I feel like it was an oversight, but an unfortunate one. They're overseeded, and they get a home game. Great break for SC.
FWIW - certainly not much! - I picked Marquette to reach the Final Four.
Ridiculous, right? But it also would have been ridiculous to pick 10-seed Syracuse to do that last year.
Also getting to Phoenix: Arizona, Kansas and Butler.
I do have us losing to AZ, which will then lose to Kansas in the national title game. KU is getting very little love this season, so I'll give 'em some.
Given all the yakking about UNC, Kentucky and UCLA all being in the same bracket, I couldn't resist picking Butler!
I also couldn't resist Princeton over ND and Vandy over Wisconsin. Gives me even more reasons to root against the Evil Twins.
Other upset specials include UNC-Wilmington, Nevada, URI, Michigan and Cinci all getting to the Sweet 16.
What the hell. Sources say it's a crapshoot.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 16, 2017, 11:27:21 AM
Or even flip locations with Mich / Ok State and our game is in Indy, and they play in SC. I feel like it was an oversight, but an unfortunate one. They're overseeded, and they get a home game. Great break for SC.
We'll see about that. Could still be a bad matchup for them.